July 17, 2025 • 58 mins
In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, Michael recounts his experience working on 'The Coach,' his earliest movie alongside Cathy Lee Crosby, produced by Crown International known for their low-budget teen flicks. He also shares a vivid account of 'Zuma Beach,' another 1978 film featuring a star-studded cast including Suzanne Somers, Rosanna Arquette, and Timothy Hutton. Alongside intriguing film memories, he elaborates on his complex relationship with Cathy Lee Crosby and how it intertwined with her involvement in Scientology, providing a personal look at the influence of the controversial religion during that time. Not to miss tales include memorable encounters with other major Hollywood figures like Quentin Tarantino and John Belushi.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
03:34 First Movie Experience: The Coach
04:39 Kathy Lee Crosby and On-Set Stories
15:32 Scientology and Relationship Dynamics with Cathy
30:14 Scientology Recruitment Suspicions
34:02 Zuma Beach TV Movie Experience
50:26 Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez
53:28 Guillermo del Toro's Films
56:15 Outro
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
03:34 First Movie Experience: The Coach
04:39 Kathy Lee Crosby and On-Set Stories
15:32 Scientology and Relationship Dynamics with Cathy
30:14 Scientology Recruitment Suspicions
34:02 Zuma Beach TV Movie Experience
50:26 Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez
53:28 Guillermo del Toro's Films
56:15 Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won't don't seem to so long as I know
they will be time to stop the days I don't
have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Say, Jim, Yeah, I'm well good now that I'm awake,
yea and a little bit caffeinated. I'm still working on that.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But your wait, well we're doing this a little bit early.
I you know, I don't really pay attention to my
phone like all the time. It's just not like always
with me. And half the time it's lost and I
can't find it. That's usually where my phone is is.
I don't know where it is. I don't usually lose
(00:49):
my phone. I'm splicit. And it's black, which is another problem.
It's kind of hard to see. But I woke up
this morning and you know, I was gonna have lunch,
and I'm having lunch with Adam wing Guard and I'm
kind of excited about seeing him. I haven't seen him
(01:09):
since he did the podcast and maybe find out a
little bit about Onslaught and what else he's doing and
maybe pitch him something. So I'm excited about that. But
I woke up and I got a text from Caitlin
(01:30):
because I hadn't looked at my phone in twenty four hours,
and twenty four hours previously to that, he had texted me,
can we go at what eleven?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Is?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Eleven?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
We were supposed to go ten today, and then yesterday
I texted, can we push it to eleven?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah? So I thought like, oh, well that's I was
supposed to be doing twelve with Adam, I thought, and
then I looked down. The next text is from Adam saying, hey,
I've got turned out, I've got some surgery, or if
we do it at eleven thirty, we'll I have more
time to hang out. I'm like, oh shit, all right,
(02:11):
So anyway, that's.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, this episode might be a little bit of a
shorter episode because of that. But this is on me
because I know that about you and your phone.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But yeah, that's what anybody wants to communicate with you.
Will will notify Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I know this about you and your phone. And I
sent the text out because I had another podcast host
I wanted to record and I was moving it around
and Jim replied, yeah, that's fine, it even works a
little bit better for me. And then you never followed up,
and that should have been my here.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
To go.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I need to send a follow up text here and
I didn't do that, and yeah, so that I am.
I'm this one is on me.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, I thought that i'd start I will talk. I've
always wanted the podcast to be a little bit like
my I want the people to know and my family
to know in the future who I was a little
(03:12):
bit and so I've always said, I I can't write
a book. I don't know how to write. And uh,
don't know where the periods go, don't know where what
they what those you know, where the commas go? Why
do you start a new paragraph?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
None of that? None of that. But now I guess
I need AI to do the whole thing. Now now
I'm beginning to realize a I can write my book
for me. But anyway, so I've always thought of this
is sort of a book thing. So I wanted to
go back to today and maybe talk a little bit
about when I was quite young, I did a movie
(03:49):
called and you know this is this is going back.
It's it might not be all that interesting because we're
not talking about this is. Usually we get on we'll
be talking about deliverance or you know, one flew of
the Cuckoo's nests. We're talking about all these classes reason
China turn Yeah, yeah, and uh the one that, uh,
(04:13):
the one that that I could never figure out. But
there's a lot of movies I can't figure out. I've
realized I'm not really very smart. I'm really good at
like focusing on being an actor, and for some reason,
that's always kind of worked out for me. But other
than that, I have trouble with other movies. But I
(04:35):
I wanted to go all the way back, all the
way back to the very first movie that I ever did,
and that movie was called The Coach, and you can
pull that up, Kaylin. And that movie, uh co starred
(04:58):
a woman by the name of Cass Theee Crosby, and
there wasn't really anybody else in it that I think
went on to do very much. There was a basketball
player at It was basically it was basically a sex youth,
(05:19):
sex exploitation movie done by a company that was called Crown,
Thank you, Crown International, and they had done basically they
had they had done a few a few of these things.
I guess they were cheap and they were kind of
(05:42):
you know, obviously it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They were like teen quick. You know, R rated usually
a little bit of soft nudity in the movie exactly
it was. It was Crown International and they were known
for that kind of low budget teen movie and they
were sort of a competition with Roger Corman's company. Oh yeah,
the same kind of bear. Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I can remember going out and reading for it,
and you know, my manager, I remember, Ron Singer at
the time basically said to me, oh, yeah, I like
you for this, you know. And uh a week went
by and uh uh my manager called me or Ron
(06:28):
Singer called me up at the time and said, oh,
they want you to come back and read again. I
was like, tell them no. I don't know why, I
at that point in my life kind of thought like
no was a good thing to say. I think that
maybe in the back of my head, I just thought
like I'd done a really good audition, and like a
(06:51):
really good audition, and why go back in and and
and uh, you know, try to follow that up with
something that might not be as good. And as it
turned out, they were like totally blown away by the
fact that I wouldn't come back in and read. So
the next thing I know, I'm I'm I'm I'm working
(07:14):
with an actress named Kathy crossby Kathy. At that time,
I think I was like, what year was it made?
It was made in seventy eight, seventy eight, so so
I would have been twenty two. God was I twenty two?
Seven year eight? Wow? Okay that was my first movie
and I was, Okay, my first movie is twenty two Okay,
(07:37):
Well things got going really fast after that, I guess,
but that was my very first movie. Yeah, twenty eight
years old, and I was working it. Basically a story
about a basketball team and a woman coach that come
(08:00):
in to coach the men's basketball team at a high school.
So it's basically about a woman who was a former
Olympian runner and now she's coaching, and then she coaches
the boys team, and the boys are like, I got
a woman coming in here. We got a woman. Oh
(08:21):
look at her. You gotta look up Kathy Crosby and
her prime Kathy Crosby was and a a very very
beautiful girl, a full mane of blonde hair that made
her look a little like fair faucet at times. You know,
(08:41):
she was a wh I think she was a wonder
woman at one point in her career. I think that
you'll find.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That she wasn't she an athlete.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
At one point she was a tennis player. I think
she actually played and I don't know if she got
very far, but I think she played at Wimbledon twice.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And she introduced me to the game of racquetball and
uh showed me how to play racquetball and and and
beat me in racquetball the very first couple of times
I played. And it was always a little about getting
beat in a sport by a woman, but she did.
She beat me in racketball. But anyway, we did the
(09:23):
movie and there was a lot of like her nudity,
like not so much my nudity, but a lot of
her nudity. And we were laying in like bed together
and like she didn't have a top on, and you know,
usually when you're in those situations, it's you know, there's
a crew around, there's a group of people, and it's
(09:44):
just weird and it's always sort of whatever. But in
that situation, I was I just remember a little movement
under the sheets, you know, stirring in the forest. Yeah,
And anyway, we you know, we played these scenes that
(10:06):
had these you know, sexual like where I'd walk in
on her and she was just putting her top on,
or or she was in the shower and she was
in the men's shower. So you know that that type
of thing. And it was being directed by a guy,
Bud something, Bud Townsend. Yeah, Okay, well, Bud, it's an
(10:31):
interesting guy because something happened to him that he he
I think had a brain injury. I think what happened
to him is he was surfing when he was younger,
and that like the surfboard hit him in the head,
and like there was something about him that people kind
of had. It was his wife actually, and they're a
(10:53):
very lovely couple. When she was great and they kind
of had to walk kind of had to like lead
him around. So I'm I mean, he seemed to still
be able to direct very well, but you know, he
couldn't do things like.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, a year a couple of years after the Coach,
Bud did a movie for Crown called Beach Girls that
was written by Pat Duncan, who would later later go
on to supervise the HBO series that I was on,
Vietnam War Story, and would write big movies like Courage,
under Fire and mister Hollins Opus. But but Pat's name
(11:30):
I think is in the credits of Beach Girls as
the director. But but Pat said it with Pat dunk Pat.
Pat Townsend's name is in the credits as a director.
Pat Duncan, the guy who wrote it, said it was
really Bud Townsend who directed the movie, but it was
Pat who kind of had to co direct it with me.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It was interesting because Bud directed the movie, and I
guess he continued to direct for companies like Crown and Yeah,
but there was something that happened. I'm sure he has
some sort of brain injury and I think I remember
it being from surfing. So he could direct, but that
maybe not drive, you know, maybe not knowing directions. You know.
(12:10):
There's his wife was always around him, kind of going
to go this way that way. That's your fork and
that's your spoon. All right, You use your fork for this,
that's who the director question. Use your fork for this,
and you use your spoon for this, you know, and
this is this is yes, you asked for milk and
this is you know, like it was very bizarre. But anyway,
(12:34):
for some reason, Kathy Lee and I saw each other
after the after we finished shooting, and there was an
obvious attraction from me, that's for sure. You know, she
(12:56):
was probably maybe thirty. If I was twenty two, she
was probably about thirty. And man, she knew how to
put it out there. And uh oh yeah. She invited
me over to her apartment one place where I know
exactly it was. I know where that apartment is like,
(13:19):
and I'm still I'm sure that she's still living there.
It's on Santa Monica Borward and it was a condominium
and I went over there and you know, ostensibly whenever
that word is, to have a drink or something like
(13:40):
that with her. And it wasn't too long before we
were on the floor making making out. And I think
I was a little bit of a toy boy for her.
You think, yeah, you know, twenty two, I guess, you know,
she was thirty whatever, but we would have been thirty four,
she would have been she was thirty four time. Yeah, okay,
(14:01):
well she's claimed to be twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
At that time, she was twenty five. But you know whatever, women, women,
especially women, they do that kind of stuff all the time.
So we're making out and everything that was There been
two times in my life where I, for whatever reason,
have not been able to get a hard one. Like
(14:27):
you know, it wasn't like I was nervous. It wasn't
like I hadn't done it with like you know, I've
been doing it since I was fifteen and always doing it,
and you know, for some reason, like it just wasn't happening.
And I can remember her just kind of like, don't
worry about that. Here, let's have a drink, and let's
(14:47):
drink a little bit, and the next thing you know,
we're on the floor and it's actually working. Yeah. Yeah,
So anyway, was so anyway, we started this relationship and
I don't know how long it lasted, but Jim, I
think you remember me bringing her home.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I remember meeting her a couple of times. You brought
her over to the apartment. We weren't roommates then, but
we were living in the same little apartment building, two
story stucco apartment building behind the Chinese Theater, and she
didn't think much of that place.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well, but basically I was living in what do you
call it, not a one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Bedroom single, it was a single, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Not a studio, a studio studio. It was a studio apartment.
I was living there with three other men. One was
my brother, and one was a friend from haves here,
and one was a friend from Nebraska. So I'm sure
she wasn't too impressed with the whole thing, but she
had her The thing that was sort of interesting about
(15:49):
her is that she was a scientologist. So she you know,
talked a lot about scientology and wanted me to go
to the Scientology Center, which I did. I went with her.
I didn't go to the one that was on Sunset,
the big one, but there there used to be one
on Librea, where I think a gym eventually was, And
(16:12):
we went to the the one on Libra and I
went there for an hour and sort of got the
idea of what scientology was kind of about. And she
talked a lot about it and how helpful it was,
and uh, you know, I was like, the fucking sex
(16:32):
was just like she was fucking let me see. That
was the nicest way I could put this, Like, I guess,
I guess fillatio is that the right term for call
it that. Yeah, she was I think better at that
(16:53):
than any woman I've ever been with before.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
My goodness, Yeah, started off at the top.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And you know, it's funny when I say that. When
I say that to women, they go, what, okay, I'll
try hard. It's a good thing to remember if you're
a man, to have that one in your in your backpock.
And there was somebody, well.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know that neighborhood where we lived, and you couldn't
go more than a couple of blocks about running into
a scientology center somewhere, and people all over the streets
trying to give you those personality tests.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Well they you know, they that's true. All right, that's true.
We're very close to the big scientology building that was
on Sunset I mean that was.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Hollywood Boulevard or Hollywood, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That's what I mean Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Then they had that big celebrity center down on Franklin.
Ye yeah, I don't yeah, I mean they didn't have
buildings all over, but they were especially heavy in our
neighborhood with on the streets like really intrusive, you know, yeah,
walking up to you, Hey take the person.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Young people, you know, yeah, like Charles Manson, like walking
you know, it's like you're go with Charles Manson or
you go like scent. But anyway, she was that was
like kind of her thing. And one of the things
about scientology is they don't take drugs. They don't. I
don't think they drink, they don't, you know whatever. But
(18:26):
she she always had like drugs around for me. And
I can remember when she used to go down on
me and you know, right before I was ready to come.
But is that too much? Okay? All right, well listen,
(18:54):
well you have the money shot. She she would like
reach up like with a popper, remember the poppers I
was talking about all the game man had, you know,
and she would like break that thing underneath my nose.
I'm twenty two, Like what do I you know? You
know here she you know, yeah, from from Lincoln, from Lincoln,
(19:16):
from Lincoln, Nebraska. And all of a sudden, I think
I'm with a movie star and she's, you know, setting
up popsho while you're about to exactly. And I mean
that was about that when that happened. And that happened
quite a bit with her in those poppers. That was
about as close to heaven.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
As almost heaven, almost heaven.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah. Uh. And and she was she was interesting, and
she turned me onto cocaine. Not I really hadn't had much,
you know, uh, but I remember that I had much
exposure to cocaine. She turned me onto that and.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And she had I remember she had some like incredible
Jamaican marijuana, some real ganja. Yeah at one point, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah. Well she was on just so nobody knows
who we're talking about. People that are my age. Aren't
too many of us left but me and Jim's age. Uh.
There was a show on called That's Incredible, and that
came on I don't know somewhere in the eighties or nineties,
(20:34):
and there were three hosts and they would it was
kind of a reality show, and she was one of
the hosts. I think Skip Stevenson was one of the
hosts too, which was all was.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
A comedian that your manager also managed John Singer, and
that was I think they had like a third sort
of revolving guest in that right.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I don't know, but I'm seeing the other co hosts
were Tarkenton and John Davidson.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Fran Tarkton, the football player. Well, she ended up after me.
After she was done with me, she ended up with
not Fran Tarkenton, another thought Joe than exactly on TV.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I believe they what he proposed to her on TV.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Really yeah, that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I used to always think to myself like at that
Even at that time, I was like, Joe Theisman, really you,
I think you could have done a little a little
Dear Joe Heisman, forgot sex. You're marrying Kathy Lee Cross.
So anyway, so she would go. So I went to
(21:43):
the Scientology place a couple of times with her, and
I can't remember one time also that I was in
bed with her and we're having sex and we're right
in the middle of it, somebody started pounding at the door,
and uh, She's like, oh, I got to find out
(22:03):
who this is. You know, they wouldn't go away. You
kept pounding on the door, and I could hear like
a conversation going on between her and somebody on the
other side of the door, And I was like, what
the fuck, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Man?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is crazy? Right. So I'm like, you know, whenever
I take a sheet and wrap it around my waist
and like, what's going on? What's you know? Uh, it's
a friend on the other side of the door, and
I just let him in, you know. She I didn't know,
and then she turned around. She said, it's Richard Rowntree
(22:38):
and people people who don't know who Richard Rowntree was.
He started a television series right around television mood. No
movie wasn't it was the Shaft.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He was the first Shaft. Yeah, he was the original Shaft.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I mean, and he was like, I was like a big.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Movie in those days. The theme song by Isaac Hay.
He's won the Oscar for Best Song. You know, it
was a big hit. So yeah, to have Shaft.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Knocking on the door, yeah, he was banging on the door.
And as soon as I heard it's Richard Rowntree, who
I immediately thought of a Shaft, I was like, oh shit,
versus guys beats up everybody, you know, like he's bad,
just bad, badly Roy Brown bad, you know, you know
(23:29):
your mouth. Yeah yeah. And then I did a little
bit of research on her today because I know, I
wanted to talk about my very first experience during a movie.
And uh and he is mentioned in the Wikipedia article, so.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
U Wellisman is too the and the mention of Pisman
is hysterical because it says she was in a relationship
with football star Joe Piseman. The romantic relationship ended in
nineteen ninety one, after which she sued him for four
point five million because he abandoned his promise to financially
support her. He responded with a counter so ultimately leading
(24:09):
to both settling out of court.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, out of court. But so they were married and correct.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't think they ever got married. I think he
kind of proposed to her, but they never really did.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
What was the Lee Marvin thing? What was the Lee
Marvin case?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Jack Palmon called, Yeah, it was? It was palomony, a
woman who had lived with him for a long time
and claimed that he had you know, she was sort
of his wife in all but legality, and and she was.
It was the first palamony suit they called them, remember, Yeah,
(24:46):
And and she she got a pre decent settlement of it.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Would this have been before or after the lead?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think it would have been after, but but not
by much?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Right, right?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So that's probably right, Seiseman was probably we stuck with
settling with her. But that was that was a pretty
big trial. Because before that, if you weren't married, you'd
spent ten years with a guy and you got divorced,
you were just fucked. If you're a woman, or if
(25:18):
he was a moneymaker, or if she was a moneymaker
and you were the man you were just you're fucked.
There was no settlement to be had. Is that correct?
And is that what that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah about it, and that it was right around the
time that you made the coach it was occurring in
nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Wasn't really thought it wasn't Joe Eisman that was banging
on the door, which would have scared me just as much.
But well, here's the thing, too, is that we ended up,
you know, splitting up, and we I don't know, it
seemed to me like it was a couple of months.
I don't remember exactly how long we were together, but
(25:59):
I remember the fight that we had it split us
up had to do with Scientology, because when I went
to the Scientology Center and I went a couple of
times with her, and you know, there's an hour they're
explaining things and talking to you about their therapy you
(26:24):
can call it a religion, whatever it is. And and
always felt basically that they were telling me that no
matter what, you just put on a happy face. You know,
you're just always happy, and you're everything's good, and you
know your your smile even though you're you're not happy.
(26:47):
Uh And and maybe that's why when I met Tom Cruise,
I thought he was such a great guy, a big
smile on his face and hey, you know. Uh. And
also the I met the woman from Cheers that was
a scientologist. Do you remember her? No? Is it Cheers?
(27:10):
No Ali Christie. She was really nice too, I mean
really really come across really nice and uhh. But I
remember thinking to myself, I mean, that's like, why would
I want to act differently than than the way I feel?
(27:33):
You know, if I'm upset, you can go fuck yourself,
you know, like don't I'm not gonna smile and say
like okay, okay and then turn around stab you in
the back or do do whatever. But that was that
was my That was my feeling about Scientology was they
wanted me to they wanted me, They wanted probably everybody
(27:53):
that they recruit, you know, to start by like just saying,
you know, like being happy around everybody, no matter what
the thing was. And I didn't feel right about that,
and I can remember getting into an argument. So last
time I ever saw her, I remember standing at the
door at the door of her apartment Santa Monica Boulevard,
and you know, we were arguing about scientology and I
(28:20):
was like, well, you know you feel that way and
fuck you and she said fuck you back, and that
was the end of it. So that was the end
of our relationship. That was the end of the Poppers
and the heaven was the end of the old I
was twenty two years old, so you know what, what
(28:40):
did I know? She used to like high school girls.
My previous girlfriend had been Beverly Hills High. She lived
at Beverly Hills. She found that apartment for me, as
a matter of fact, my previous.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, but she.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Was the daughter of the studio act.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
We double dated with her sister. I think we went
to see the Goodbye Girl. Yeah, and she actually met
for the role that Bill Garrick played in ten? Didn't she?
What she met? She met?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Who?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Who met?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Who met the girl?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You're talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
The one? I was staying, Yeah, oh no.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
She didn't she? I thought she met for that movie?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, No, didn't she want to be an actress? She
wanted to be an actress. Yeah. I met her in
acting in an acting class. Yeah, yeah, acting class. Great
place to.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I know, Well you had an acting class, what three
walks from our place?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Studios.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I was like, Okay, well, these two people are in
love and they're fighting, but then they make up and
they kiss and then you know, go rehearse that for
a while. Twenty two year old, you know, that was like,
uh uh one of the reasons why I took acting.
That's really one of the reasons people ask me, like
(30:03):
how did I ever get interested in acting? And ever
since going back to Nebraska when I was in community
theater and I was like twelve and thirteen, I'm like,
that's where the girls were, you know, the loose girls,
not the uptight ones. Say, actresses always seemed to be. Yeah,
actresses always seemed to be a little bit wilder than
(30:25):
the rest of them. Of girls. So but now looking
back on it, looking back on it, I'm just saying
to myself, did she really like me that much? Or
was she just a recruiter for scientology? You know, because I.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Have me like she was using you.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, yeah, like she was you know basically you know,
she would get like higher on that scale of whatever
scale she would have if she could bring in like
a young actor who was like coming.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Out, you know, up and coming up.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And coming actor. Yeah, I don't I wouldn't put it
past Scientology, just say listen if you can.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I wouldn't need it. I wouldn't need it.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I'm not sure if she liked me as much
as I thought she did. But I thought she liked me.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, if she dropped you once you made it pretty
clear your disdain for Scientology, then you know that's probably
a fair conclusion.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well yeah, and I thought I've thought about that since.
And you know, it wasn't disdain, it was discomfort. You know,
I don't have disdain, I don't care. I just didn't
want to be a scientologist. And yeah, and that's that's
when we broke up, when she found out I didn't
want to be a scientologist. And uh So anyway, and
(31:56):
I somehow, I you know, she she took me to
tour three of those you know, somehow I feel she's
looking back on that she was a recruiter. But anyway,
that's that was my my my very first experience.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh and you would be hounded for years after that
by people from Scientology getting a hold of you.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well, here's what happened. Uh when I went to the
Scientology center with her, not the center, but the one
that was on Librea. Uh. And I went in the
two or three times, I gave him my address and
uh uh and for the next and I think I
(32:43):
moved from there, Jim to with you over to uh
what was it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Brentwood when we lived we lived just over over in Brentwood. Uh,
you know, just just a block or two above Wiltshire,
kind of in that apartment buildings. Yeah, you see, just
past Ucla is west of Ucla.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah. So, and then I bought the house in Van
Eyes and out in the valley, out in the valley.
But I continued to get mail from the Scientology Center
for ten fucking years. I know, I was unbelievable that
I would get mail, and I would call the Scientology
(33:24):
Center up at you know, because after a while it's
frustrating because you know, your mailbox is jammed with all
this stuff. And I called him up and said, listen,
I you know, I checked this out three or four
years ago, but I'm really not that interested. So if
you could quit mailings, take me off the list, take
me off the list exactly. And they didn't. They just
(33:47):
kept sending it and sending it and sending it. I
think when I left that house, I think when I
bought the house with Kaylin's mother, Gina. I think that
that I think we quit we quit having any scientology
sent sent sent to us, but then we had damon
(34:09):
Wayne's knocking on. Anyway, that was that was my very
first movie experience. And there's a couple of things about it.
There's a there's one shot. There's a couple of shots.
There's a shot in it where I walk in the
room with one shirt on and walk out of the
(34:31):
room with another shirt on. I remember the yeah, yeah,
and uh, another thing that if you watch the movie,
I used to run around barefoot all the time, and uh,
if you notice the bottom of my feet, there's just
like you know, black.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But it seemed to have a pretty good time. And
another movie that I did when I was when I
was quite quite young, and that it's called zooma Beach.
Look up zooma Beach and find out how many years
after I did The Coach and zoom a Beach I'm
not sure was a film. I think it was more
of a It was a made for.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
T and that was that was also seventy eighth, same year.
Actually this might be a different Oh no, yeah, it
was also seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, and now Jim to also started a blonde bombshell.
Suzanne Summers.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, I'm talent, you man. There was so much talent
on this fucking cast is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, the credits, all the credit even you know, the
behind the camera credits include John Carpenter.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
You told me that today, I had no idea. John
Carpenter wrote zooma Beach.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He is one of two credited writers on it. He
said he wrote an early draft and they wrote it
quite a bit, but he he wrote it for one
of the producers, a guy named Bruce Cone Curtis, who said, hey,
I need a beach movie. So Carpenter came up with
a beach movie and then it got rewritten into you know,
the movie it became. But he did, you know, have
(36:11):
an early He is a credited writer on that movie.
And the other producer Brian Grazer. This was before Brian.
This is around the time that Brian was partnering up
with Ron Howard and they would go on to create
Imagine Pictures.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
First first producer.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
First produced credit Brian's first producing and then.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
He went on to produce every single Ron Howard movie.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's ever, and Ron had offices at Paramount when I
was there, and Ron had a they had a production deal.
They never did anything. The Paramount never produced anything of theirs,
but it was a kind of a talent relationship deal
because Ron was in the last year or two of
his Happy Days contract. So this was an effort to
kind of keep Ron happy. They gave him this whole
(36:54):
production company with Brian Grazer. The first movie they did
was called Night Shift with Michael Keaton and Henry Winkler.
Success and then they then they did Splash and there's
no looking back. They were they pretty much had had
almost free Rane.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And Brian Brian Grazer is another one of those guys.
He never fucking hired me again. But Brian Brian Grazer
such a sweet guy. I wonder why he got along
so well with Ron Howard, but he's just a very
very sweet guy. You could always see him coming. He
had a crew cut that was about four inches high
(37:35):
care like nobody wore nobody wears nobody wore their hair
like Brian Grais. You can see there's Brian. You know,
you could pick football, yeah there, Yeah, But he was
very nice. But the interesting thing that other guy that
you mentioned, Bruce Cone Curtis, that that guy. One of
(37:59):
the one of the uh interesting things about zoom a
Beach was that he was very interested in hiring the
children of famous people. Suzanne Summers was the star, and
I believe an actor named Stephen Keats. Yes, and Stephen
(38:21):
Keats was a very interesting actor at that time. And
maybe he was in.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Some big movies like like Black Sunday, Yes, yes, the
John Frankenheimer thriller.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Didn't you do something with Mitchem too where?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he was kind of a serious actor.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And then some dramatic movies.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Now then he committed suicide. Really was right after he
did zoom a Beach. I guess my yeah, because uh,
which I'm trying to think of one of my sons
and dashers godmother he's in.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He's in a very good Robert Mitchell movie called The
Friends of Eddie Coyle.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that is a pretty good, pretty
good movie. Who who directed that? That would have been
one of Frankenheimer kind of guys when I.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Think it was Peter Yates, Yeah, Peter Yates.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, Peter Yates directed something I've always thought of Peter Yate.
He directed Bullet Right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He directed Bullet Uh he directed I think he directed
The Deep.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I met him a
number of times.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Breaking Away, he directed Breaking Away, Eyewitness the uh brought
William Hurt movie Eye Witnessed with Sigourney Weaver. Yeah, quite
a number of good movies.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Getting back to getting back to Zooma Beach that Bruce
Cone Curtis guy gave me the impression that he wants
he was. It was very interesting in casting children of
other actors. All right, so Timothy Hutton was in that movie.
(40:15):
All right, This is way before Timothy Hutton won an
Academy Award. And uh and uh there was there was
an actor named John Marley. And John Marley Jim as
you well know, was the actor who played Uh. Was
(40:36):
he a film producer or was he a studio?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Studio executives sent your godfather and he was the one
who wakes up with a horse's head in his bed.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yes, yes, his son is I think his name His
name was Ben Marley, Robert Marley. I think he had son.
Was you know, do you have the cast list there
on Zoomer Beach.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Coming up?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh? Okay, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It had a deep cast with people like Rosanna or cats.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, first of all, let me just say I have
never ever been on a set that had so many
luscious women on. I mean we were all twenty one
and twenty two, but Rosanna, she was twenty one or
twenty two. Man that that was just an outstanding looking woman.
(41:34):
There was also a woman in that cast named Kimberly Beck,
and Kimberly Beck was just absolutely gorgeous and both of
them had like Marilyn Monroe body, I mean just bodies
that you was just unbelievable. And then there was a
(41:55):
woman on it named Tanya Roberts, and Tanya Roberts I
think went on. You know, she became real, real successful.
Now she's passed away. I've worked with Rosanna, our cat.
We did The Divide. Yeah, we did The Divide together
(42:16):
and she she was great and I love her and
she she's wonderful and I haven't seen her since we
did The Divide together. But I don't think we ever
worked before. But that was but that was a movie.
Are there is there anybody else that you recognize that's
(42:39):
in that cast? Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I mean there's a football player that I looked up
Mark Mark.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, Mark Mark, Mark Wheeler was it was kind of
this the good guy and I played the black guy,
that black guy. I played the bad guy and Mark
Wheeler played the good guy. And I noticed Mark Wheeler
when we did John Magnificent seven Johnson watching. Yeah, when
(43:13):
we talked to John Watson, I talked to him a
little bit about Backdraft and which is a movie. I
loved that Kurt was so evering good and but Mark
Wheeler is always there. He's what he was one of
the one of the firemen that was part of the crew.
(43:37):
But he never said anything, you know, so it was
almost like he was an extra. But I know he
wasn't an extra. I know he was getting paid as
an actor. But Mark Wheeler was the star of it.
And Timothy Hutton's We mentioned the other guy, and you
can't find his name.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
For uh, I'm looking at other stuff. Now, what do
you what do you.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Was a guy's name Jim Marley was Ben Marley. Yeah,
there's no Marley.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
There's no Let me try and find to be okay,
just on Wikipedia.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Okay. So, and Timothy Hutton had a father, had a
father named Jim Hutton, and I think there might have
been one or two other casts. Beneah Ben Marley. Okay,
can you just name cast members real quick to me?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And so, okay, I'll just go through starting Suzanne Summers,
Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
She was by the way, she was great. She I
didn't have very much to do with her, but she
was really wonderful.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Go ahead, Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Perry Lang, Oh, okay, Perry Lang, Perry Lang.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I met Perry.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, Perry is a great guy. He's a director now.
But Perry Lang, I'll tell you my quick Perry Lang story.
Perry Lang was on the set of UH nineteen forty one,
nineteen forty one. You know this story, Jim, you remember
this well?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think so. I met Perry. You know, I got
to know him when when around the time that forty
one was being made through you obviously, you know, hanging
around our place. But I know he was in He
was in a couple of movies around that time, but
he was in nineteen forty one for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, nineteen forty one was the big Steven Spielberg you
know movie.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's written by them, Mackison Gale. They were barely they
wrote it when they were in college. They were barely
out of the UFC Film School when they wrote that thing.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, it was a huge, huge movie, huge, huge movie.
And Perry asked me to come visit him. I told
me I could come visit him on the set, and
I thought, okay, well this is great. So they were
shooting at Universal, right, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
There shot a couple places Universal, for sure. They shot
some on the Burbank studio a lot as well. Maybe
it was they were They were definitely housed at Universe.
I think it was the Universal that you would have.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well, I went, I can't remember going and seeing Perry
and Perry taking me into Dan Ackroyd's trailer. Okay, and
he you know, back then we all had you know,
not we not me and not Perry probably, but Ackroyd
had a pretty pretty nice trailer. It was, you know, big,
(46:25):
and because you know, six or eight people could sit
around there and party and laugh and drink and stuff
like that. And so I was in there. Ackroyd was
in there, and who I went on to work with
in Susan's Plan as an interesting dude. But uh uh uh.
(46:47):
This the only time, uh, the only time that I
ever spent any time around John Belushi was when I
was in dan Rotz trailer on that movie and on
that movie which Perry Lang, you know, brought me to
(47:08):
Perry's in the movie. Uh, I was in dan Ackrootz
trailer and John Belushi came in and he was in
between shots. So he came in and I watched John
belus she do. There used to be these little sort
of see through bottles you would get like vials, vials
(47:33):
at brown vials, brown vials of cocaine that for some reason,
they always came in, those little kind of brown vials.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
That held a graham.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I believe they held a gram and uh, and I
watched John Belushi come in between shots, in between shots
that he's taking, not shots of alcohol, and in between
shots that he was because he was only he was
(48:03):
only in the trailer for about fifteen minutes. Yeah, Blushi,
we need you, you know. And during the fifteen minutes
that I was around him, he snorted that entire gram
of coke. I mean that used to be something that
kids used to do when when we were young. Somebody
get a gramma coke and that would like last you
(48:24):
and last year all night long. That was like, you know,
a very you know, and so he snorted a gram
of coke and he drank a six pack of beer.
And I was only around him for like fifteen minutes.
So that was my one experience of being around John Belushian.
(48:48):
So you know, I guess it's not surprising that he
didn't live to be much older than three.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
He didn't make it another two years. I don't believe
after that.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah. Well, another thing that.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I wanted to correct myself real quick because I said
Mark Wheeler the football player was in Suma Beach.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
When you go on Wikipedia, it's not Mark Wheeler the
football it says Mark Wheeler the football.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
He plays the football player, right.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
But on Wikipedia, like when you hover over Mark Wheeler
as David Hunter in the cast, it goes to like
the Patriots defensive linebackers, like played in the Super Bowl.
Different Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Okay, Well, one of the things that's interesting, I mean,
who's ever going to see it? I would didn't even
know it was possible to even find anymore. But they
dyed my hair black, I guess because Mark Wheeler. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And I think Mark Wheeler was he was an attractive
(49:47):
guy like me. I think he two or three years
older than me, but he was, you know, a good
looking guy, and I guess they wanted something different he had.
He had light hair also, and so they darkened my hair.
And I remember that there's some sort of competition or
whatever that we're having on the beach, such a ridiculously
silly movie, some competition that we're having on the beach
(50:09):
where we're like trying to out jump or out do something.
And you know, I like, I'm like running and jumping
and flipping and I land in water and I come
up and you can see the black die just like
running down my back and like, uh, you know, it's
(50:30):
one of those things that is just like we remember
your head.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
We only got a few more minutes left here because
you've got to go go to lunch. But didn't you
say that you like saw quin Tarantino or something or
like his big movie archive or something, and you were
with him and he pulled out a copy of zooma
Beach and was like, oh, yeah, looking zoom Beach? Or
am I just not remembering that?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Or he no, I've never been with Quinton when he's
been around. Uh, you're right, Yes, you're absolutely right. Uh.
I think the very first time that, uh I met Quintin.
And I've said this before that Quentin Tarantino can tell
you what I was in and when I was in
(51:17):
it for the last thirty years way better than I can, like,
way better than me. But one of the very first
things he said, one of the very first things Quentin
ever said to me, was uh, yeah, I got a
copy of the Zuma Beach and my you know, by
by by my archives. And I was like, oh, yeah,
(51:41):
you got one of my good ones. Huh And and
I you know what I was. I always think that
I think about this and I've always like, I'm always
like Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez were so fun to
(52:02):
be around as filmmakers and they were they were both,
I mean, they're both like just brilliant people. And I
didn't work with Quinton as an actor. For Quinton, Quinton
was just around and I think Robert was trying to
show him that digitally you could do things that you
(52:22):
couldn't do with film and was and he couldn't convince him.
But so but Quinton was there every day and they
would have never been around people. I mean, and you know,
Jim Camels is he's all about film, he's all about
you know what he's doing too. But there's an intensity
(52:44):
about Jim that you know, you don't want to interrupt
him unless you've got something important to say. You know,
you don't want to go like, hey, Jim, did you
hear who won the football? Who won the Raiders game?
You know, not now, Michael, not now. But Quentin and
(53:07):
Robert was kind of when they were doing Grindhouse, which
turned out not to be as successful as we all
thought it was going to be, but they were so
kind of free wheeling and having so much fun. And
you know, Josh Brolin was on that. Josh and I
used to joke about how horrible our careers were going,
(53:27):
and thank god we'd finally gotten a Quentin Tarantino movie.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
I just read that speaking of that he had worked
Guillermo del Toro. He had been he had done a
movie that I read that Guiamo del Toro was had directed,
and it was like about bats Underground or something. I
didn't min. Yeah, I didn't quite get it, and I didn't.
(53:54):
I didn't. I didn't go after that that role because
again I couldn't talk my way in to it, and
I just didn't quite get it. But h Josh worked
on that movie. But what I understand is that he
has got a new Frankenstein coming out and Guillambo del Toro,
(54:20):
if there's if there's a movie, you know, if you
somehow I get the feeling that Gambo Toro is very talented,
very very talented guy. That's just to me, like eighty
eighty five percent of his movies, I mean eighty five
(54:41):
percent of each movie that he does is just like
they look great, they act, they're brilliant, you know. But
to me, he just has not hit that fucking sweet
sweet spot the home the home run that like the
or the Grand Slam. He hasn't hit the Grand Slam yet.
And I'm really hoping for his sake that that he
(55:02):
does that. I have a feeling, I got a feeling
about that movie that he just seems so perfect for it.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
And I just like to throw out a counterpoint there
that pans Labyrinth, the German del to War movie is
one of my favorite movies of all time, and a
lot of people really really love that movie. I've asked
you about that one, You're that's one of the ones
where were like, I didn't really get it. Well, that's
one of my all time, if not my all time favorite.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
And it is one of his more popular movies, and
it is a very very very well liked movie with
without a doubt. But I, uh, you know, to me again,
I just need to be fed with a spoon my movies.
You know, like here, Michael, here's the first fuck page,
(55:49):
here's the same, you know, like don't jump, don't don't
confuse me once I get confused, and I got confused
on that. I mean, how did we go from here
to there? But but he's a he's a very very
talented guy. By the way, did you watch that movie
you said you were gonna watch you would?
Speaker 4 (56:11):
Uh, I watched a horror movie, but that actually stars
Mia Goth who is in Frankenstein. She's kind of an
upcoming horror.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
She's in that Frankenstein's.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Upcoming Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Oh wow, wow wow wow.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
But yeah, you gotta you gotta go to lunch with Adam.
So let's wrap this up.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Okay, thank you, uh everybody for listening. And uh I
I I'm just having a great time. I've got a
lot a lot more stories, a lot more fun. I'll
let you know what what happens after I have lunch
(56:52):
with Adam. Probably he'll tell me a few things and
I won't be able to say anything because nowadays nobody
can talk about anything.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Do you think you might an update on a possible
release date?
Speaker 3 (57:02):
You know, I'll obviously ask him that and uh, but
it's not on a twenty four schedule for this year,
and it really doesn't surprise me because most movies don't
don't come out the same year they made. So but
we'll see what happens. I'm very excited about him. I
want to, I wanna, I want to. I want to
(57:25):
ask him if he's ever done a questern before I
talked to him about Tombstone. Oh yeah, And we'll see.
That'll probably go about as far as that clip that
Caitlin did of me saying, listen at the end of
the movie when we remember that part where I'm doing
this and I'm doing that. Yeah. Yeah, okay, Michael, Yeah yeah.
(57:45):
First of all, wow. Second of all, you know, don't
worry fuck off? Yeah yeah, all right, thanks everybody, Thank you. Jim.
Speaker 5 (57:54):
And which hand would you choose to whip away a
tear but grow to your way pound the old fella?
How would you look about someone dirtier than you under me.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Why would you let me carry on with our shoes?
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Would you like to see you dres
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won't don't seem to so long as I know
they will be time to stop the days I don't
have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Say, Jim, Yeah, I'm well good now that I'm awake,
yea and a little bit caffeinated. I'm still working on that.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But your wait, well we're doing this a little bit early.
I you know, I don't really pay attention to my
phone like all the time. It's just not like always
with me. And half the time it's lost and I
can't find it. That's usually where my phone is is.
I don't know where it is. I don't usually lose
(00:49):
my phone. I'm splicit. And it's black, which is another problem.
It's kind of hard to see. But I woke up
this morning and you know, I was gonna have lunch,
and I'm having lunch with Adam wing Guard and I'm
kind of excited about seeing him. I haven't seen him
(01:09):
since he did the podcast and maybe find out a
little bit about Onslaught and what else he's doing and
maybe pitch him something. So I'm excited about that. But
I woke up and I got a text from Caitlin
(01:30):
because I hadn't looked at my phone in twenty four hours,
and twenty four hours previously to that, he had texted me,
can we go at what eleven?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Is?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Eleven?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
We were supposed to go ten today, and then yesterday
I texted, can we push it to eleven?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah? So I thought like, oh, well that's I was
supposed to be doing twelve with Adam, I thought, and
then I looked down. The next text is from Adam saying, hey,
I've got turned out, I've got some surgery, or if
we do it at eleven thirty, we'll I have more
time to hang out. I'm like, oh shit, all right,
(02:11):
So anyway, that's.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, this episode might be a little bit of a
shorter episode because of that. But this is on me
because I know that about you and your phone.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But yeah, that's what anybody wants to communicate with you.
Will will notify Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I know this about you and your phone. And I
sent the text out because I had another podcast host
I wanted to record and I was moving it around
and Jim replied, yeah, that's fine, it even works a
little bit better for me. And then you never followed up,
and that should have been my here.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
To go.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I need to send a follow up text here and
I didn't do that, and yeah, so that I am.
I'm this one is on me.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, I thought that i'd start I will talk. I've
always wanted the podcast to be a little bit like
my I want the people to know and my family
to know in the future who I was a little
(03:12):
bit and so I've always said, I I can't write
a book. I don't know how to write. And uh,
don't know where the periods go, don't know where what
they what those you know, where the commas go? Why
do you start a new paragraph?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
None of that? None of that. But now I guess
I need AI to do the whole thing. Now now
I'm beginning to realize a I can write my book
for me. But anyway, so I've always thought of this
is sort of a book thing. So I wanted to
go back to today and maybe talk a little bit
about when I was quite young, I did a movie
(03:49):
called and you know this is this is going back.
It's it might not be all that interesting because we're
not talking about this is. Usually we get on we'll
be talking about deliverance or you know, one flew of
the Cuckoo's nests. We're talking about all these classes reason
China turn Yeah, yeah, and uh the one that, uh,
(04:13):
the one that that I could never figure out. But
there's a lot of movies I can't figure out. I've
realized I'm not really very smart. I'm really good at
like focusing on being an actor, and for some reason,
that's always kind of worked out for me. But other
than that, I have trouble with other movies. But I
(04:35):
I wanted to go all the way back, all the
way back to the very first movie that I ever did,
and that movie was called The Coach, and you can
pull that up, Kaylin. And that movie, uh co starred
(04:58):
a woman by the name of Cass Theee Crosby, and
there wasn't really anybody else in it that I think
went on to do very much. There was a basketball
player at It was basically it was basically a sex youth,
(05:19):
sex exploitation movie done by a company that was called Crown,
Thank you, Crown International, and they had done basically they
had they had done a few a few of these things.
I guess they were cheap and they were kind of
(05:42):
you know, obviously it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They were like teen quick. You know, R rated usually
a little bit of soft nudity in the movie exactly
it was. It was Crown International and they were known
for that kind of low budget teen movie and they
were sort of a competition with Roger Corman's company. Oh yeah,
the same kind of bear. Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I can remember going out and reading for it,
and you know, my manager, I remember, Ron Singer at
the time basically said to me, oh, yeah, I like
you for this, you know. And uh a week went
by and uh uh my manager called me or Ron
(06:28):
Singer called me up at the time and said, oh,
they want you to come back and read again. I
was like, tell them no. I don't know why, I
at that point in my life kind of thought like
no was a good thing to say. I think that
maybe in the back of my head, I just thought
like I'd done a really good audition, and like a
(06:51):
really good audition, and why go back in and and
and uh, you know, try to follow that up with
something that might not be as good. And as it
turned out, they were like totally blown away by the
fact that I wouldn't come back in and read. So
the next thing I know, I'm I'm I'm I'm working
(07:14):
with an actress named Kathy crossby Kathy. At that time,
I think I was like, what year was it made?
It was made in seventy eight, seventy eight, so so
I would have been twenty two. God was I twenty two?
Seven year eight? Wow? Okay that was my first movie
and I was, Okay, my first movie is twenty two Okay,
(07:37):
Well things got going really fast after that, I guess,
but that was my very first movie. Yeah, twenty eight
years old, and I was working it. Basically a story
about a basketball team and a woman coach that come
(08:00):
in to coach the men's basketball team at a high school.
So it's basically about a woman who was a former
Olympian runner and now she's coaching, and then she coaches
the boys team, and the boys are like, I got
a woman coming in here. We got a woman. Oh
(08:21):
look at her. You gotta look up Kathy Crosby and
her prime Kathy Crosby was and a a very very
beautiful girl, a full mane of blonde hair that made
her look a little like fair faucet at times. You know,
(08:41):
she was a wh I think she was a wonder
woman at one point in her career. I think that
you'll find.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That she wasn't she an athlete.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
At one point she was a tennis player. I think
she actually played and I don't know if she got
very far, but I think she played at Wimbledon twice.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And she introduced me to the game of racquetball and
uh showed me how to play racquetball and and and
beat me in racquetball the very first couple of times
I played. And it was always a little about getting
beat in a sport by a woman, but she did.
She beat me in racketball. But anyway, we did the
(09:23):
movie and there was a lot of like her nudity,
like not so much my nudity, but a lot of
her nudity. And we were laying in like bed together
and like she didn't have a top on, and you know,
usually when you're in those situations, it's you know, there's
a crew around, there's a group of people, and it's
(09:44):
just weird and it's always sort of whatever. But in
that situation, I was I just remember a little movement
under the sheets, you know, stirring in the forest. Yeah,
And anyway, we you know, we played these scenes that
(10:06):
had these you know, sexual like where I'd walk in
on her and she was just putting her top on,
or or she was in the shower and she was
in the men's shower. So you know that that type
of thing. And it was being directed by a guy,
Bud something, Bud Townsend. Yeah, Okay, well, Bud, it's an
(10:31):
interesting guy because something happened to him that he he
I think had a brain injury. I think what happened
to him is he was surfing when he was younger,
and that like the surfboard hit him in the head,
and like there was something about him that people kind
of had. It was his wife actually, and they're a
(10:53):
very lovely couple. When she was great and they kind
of had to walk kind of had to like lead
him around. So I'm I mean, he seemed to still
be able to direct very well, but you know, he
couldn't do things like.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, a year a couple of years after the Coach,
Bud did a movie for Crown called Beach Girls that
was written by Pat Duncan, who would later later go
on to supervise the HBO series that I was on,
Vietnam War Story, and would write big movies like Courage,
under Fire and mister Hollins Opus. But but Pat's name
(11:30):
I think is in the credits of Beach Girls as
the director. But but Pat said it with Pat dunk Pat.
Pat Townsend's name is in the credits as a director.
Pat Duncan, the guy who wrote it, said it was
really Bud Townsend who directed the movie, but it was
Pat who kind of had to co direct it with me.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It was interesting because Bud directed the movie, and I
guess he continued to direct for companies like Crown and Yeah,
but there was something that happened. I'm sure he has
some sort of brain injury and I think I remember
it being from surfing. So he could direct, but that
maybe not drive, you know, maybe not knowing directions. You know.
(12:10):
There's his wife was always around him, kind of going
to go this way that way. That's your fork and
that's your spoon. All right, You use your fork for this,
that's who the director question. Use your fork for this,
and you use your spoon for this, you know, and
this is this is yes, you asked for milk and
this is you know, like it was very bizarre. But anyway,
(12:34):
for some reason, Kathy Lee and I saw each other
after the after we finished shooting, and there was an
obvious attraction from me, that's for sure. You know, she
(12:56):
was probably maybe thirty. If I was twenty two, she
was probably about thirty. And man, she knew how to
put it out there. And uh oh yeah. She invited
me over to her apartment one place where I know
exactly it was. I know where that apartment is like,
(13:19):
and I'm still I'm sure that she's still living there.
It's on Santa Monica Borward and it was a condominium
and I went over there and you know, ostensibly whenever
that word is, to have a drink or something like
(13:40):
that with her. And it wasn't too long before we
were on the floor making making out. And I think
I was a little bit of a toy boy for her.
You think, yeah, you know, twenty two, I guess, you know,
she was thirty whatever, but we would have been thirty four,
she would have been she was thirty four time. Yeah, okay,
(14:01):
well she's claimed to be twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
At that time, she was twenty five. But you know whatever, women, women,
especially women, they do that kind of stuff all the time.
So we're making out and everything that was There been
two times in my life where I, for whatever reason,
have not been able to get a hard one. Like
(14:27):
you know, it wasn't like I was nervous. It wasn't
like I hadn't done it with like you know, I've
been doing it since I was fifteen and always doing it,
and you know, for some reason, like it just wasn't happening.
And I can remember her just kind of like, don't
worry about that. Here, let's have a drink, and let's
(14:47):
drink a little bit, and the next thing you know,
we're on the floor and it's actually working. Yeah. Yeah,
So anyway, was so anyway, we started this relationship and
I don't know how long it lasted, but Jim, I
think you remember me bringing her home.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I remember meeting her a couple of times. You brought
her over to the apartment. We weren't roommates then, but
we were living in the same little apartment building, two
story stucco apartment building behind the Chinese Theater, and she
didn't think much of that place.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well, but basically I was living in what do you
call it, not a one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Bedroom single, it was a single, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Not a studio, a studio studio. It was a studio apartment.
I was living there with three other men. One was
my brother, and one was a friend from haves here,
and one was a friend from Nebraska. So I'm sure
she wasn't too impressed with the whole thing, but she
had her The thing that was sort of interesting about
(15:49):
her is that she was a scientologist. So she you know,
talked a lot about scientology and wanted me to go
to the Scientology Center, which I did. I went with her.
I didn't go to the one that was on Sunset,
the big one, but there there used to be one
on Librea, where I think a gym eventually was, And
(16:12):
we went to the the one on Libra and I
went there for an hour and sort of got the
idea of what scientology was kind of about. And she
talked a lot about it and how helpful it was,
and uh, you know, I was like, the fucking sex
(16:32):
was just like she was fucking let me see. That
was the nicest way I could put this, Like, I guess,
I guess fillatio is that the right term for call
it that. Yeah, she was I think better at that
(16:53):
than any woman I've ever been with before.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
My goodness, Yeah, started off at the top.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And you know, it's funny when I say that. When
I say that to women, they go, what, okay, I'll
try hard. It's a good thing to remember if you're
a man, to have that one in your in your backpock.
And there was somebody, well.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know that neighborhood where we lived, and you couldn't
go more than a couple of blocks about running into
a scientology center somewhere, and people all over the streets
trying to give you those personality tests.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Well they you know, they that's true. All right, that's true.
We're very close to the big scientology building that was
on Sunset I mean that was.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Hollywood Boulevard or Hollywood, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That's what I mean Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Then they had that big celebrity center down on Franklin.
Ye yeah, I don't yeah, I mean they didn't have
buildings all over, but they were especially heavy in our
neighborhood with on the streets like really intrusive, you know, yeah,
walking up to you, Hey take the person.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Young people, you know, yeah, like Charles Manson, like walking
you know, it's like you're go with Charles Manson or
you go like scent. But anyway, she was that was
like kind of her thing. And one of the things
about scientology is they don't take drugs. They don't. I
don't think they drink, they don't, you know whatever. But
(18:26):
she she always had like drugs around for me. And
I can remember when she used to go down on
me and you know, right before I was ready to come.
But is that too much? Okay? All right, well listen,
(18:54):
well you have the money shot. She she would like
reach up like with a popper, remember the poppers I
was talking about all the game man had, you know,
and she would like break that thing underneath my nose.
I'm twenty two, Like what do I you know? You
know here she you know, yeah, from from Lincoln, from Lincoln,
(19:16):
from Lincoln, Nebraska. And all of a sudden, I think
I'm with a movie star and she's, you know, setting
up popsho while you're about to exactly. And I mean
that was about that when that happened. And that happened
quite a bit with her in those poppers. That was
about as close to heaven.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
As almost heaven, almost heaven.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah. Uh. And and she was she was interesting, and
she turned me onto cocaine. Not I really hadn't had much,
you know, uh, but I remember that I had much
exposure to cocaine. She turned me onto that and.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And she had I remember she had some like incredible
Jamaican marijuana, some real ganja. Yeah at one point, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah. Well she was on just so nobody knows
who we're talking about. People that are my age. Aren't
too many of us left but me and Jim's age. Uh.
There was a show on called That's Incredible, and that
came on I don't know somewhere in the eighties or nineties,
(20:34):
and there were three hosts and they would it was
kind of a reality show, and she was one of
the hosts. I think Skip Stevenson was one of the
hosts too, which was all was.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
A comedian that your manager also managed John Singer, and
that was I think they had like a third sort
of revolving guest in that right.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I don't know, but I'm seeing the other co hosts
were Tarkenton and John Davidson.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Fran Tarkton, the football player. Well, she ended up after me.
After she was done with me, she ended up with
not Fran Tarkenton, another thought Joe than exactly on TV.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I believe they what he proposed to her on TV.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Really yeah, that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I used to always think to myself like at that
Even at that time, I was like, Joe Theisman, really you,
I think you could have done a little a little
Dear Joe Heisman, forgot sex. You're marrying Kathy Lee Cross.
So anyway, so she would go. So I went to
(21:43):
the Scientology place a couple of times with her, and
I can't remember one time also that I was in
bed with her and we're having sex and we're right
in the middle of it, somebody started pounding at the door,
and uh, She's like, oh, I got to find out
(22:03):
who this is. You know, they wouldn't go away. You
kept pounding on the door, and I could hear like
a conversation going on between her and somebody on the
other side of the door, And I was like, what
the fuck, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Man?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is crazy? Right. So I'm like, you know, whenever
I take a sheet and wrap it around my waist
and like, what's going on? What's you know? Uh, it's
a friend on the other side of the door, and
I just let him in, you know. She I didn't know,
and then she turned around. She said, it's Richard Rowntree
(22:38):
and people people who don't know who Richard Rowntree was.
He started a television series right around television mood. No
movie wasn't it was the Shaft.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He was the first Shaft. Yeah, he was the original Shaft.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I mean, and he was like, I was like a big.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Movie in those days. The theme song by Isaac Hay.
He's won the Oscar for Best Song. You know, it
was a big hit. So yeah, to have Shaft.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Knocking on the door, yeah, he was banging on the door.
And as soon as I heard it's Richard Rowntree, who
I immediately thought of a Shaft, I was like, oh shit,
versus guys beats up everybody, you know, like he's bad,
just bad, badly Roy Brown bad, you know, you know
(23:29):
your mouth. Yeah yeah. And then I did a little
bit of research on her today because I know, I
wanted to talk about my very first experience during a movie.
And uh and he is mentioned in the Wikipedia article, so.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
U Wellisman is too the and the mention of Pisman
is hysterical because it says she was in a relationship
with football star Joe Piseman. The romantic relationship ended in
nineteen ninety one, after which she sued him for four
point five million because he abandoned his promise to financially
support her. He responded with a counter so ultimately leading
(24:09):
to both settling out of court.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, out of court. But so they were married and correct.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't think they ever got married. I think he
kind of proposed to her, but they never really did.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
What was the Lee Marvin thing? What was the Lee
Marvin case?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Jack Palmon called, Yeah, it was? It was palomony, a
woman who had lived with him for a long time
and claimed that he had you know, she was sort
of his wife in all but legality, and and she was.
It was the first palamony suit they called them, remember, Yeah,
(24:46):
And and she she got a pre decent settlement of it.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Would this have been before or after the lead?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think it would have been after, but but not
by much?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Right, right?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So that's probably right, Seiseman was probably we stuck with
settling with her. But that was that was a pretty
big trial. Because before that, if you weren't married, you'd
spent ten years with a guy and you got divorced,
you were just fucked. If you're a woman, or if
(25:18):
he was a moneymaker, or if she was a moneymaker
and you were the man you were just you're fucked.
There was no settlement to be had. Is that correct?
And is that what that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah about it, and that it was right around the
time that you made the coach it was occurring in
nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Wasn't really thought it wasn't Joe Eisman that was banging
on the door, which would have scared me just as much.
But well, here's the thing, too, is that we ended up,
you know, splitting up, and we I don't know, it
seemed to me like it was a couple of months.
I don't remember exactly how long we were together, but
(25:59):
I remember the fight that we had it split us
up had to do with Scientology, because when I went
to the Scientology Center and I went a couple of
times with her, and you know, there's an hour they're
explaining things and talking to you about their therapy you
(26:24):
can call it a religion, whatever it is. And and
always felt basically that they were telling me that no
matter what, you just put on a happy face. You know,
you're just always happy, and you're everything's good, and you
know your your smile even though you're you're not happy.
(26:47):
Uh And and maybe that's why when I met Tom Cruise,
I thought he was such a great guy, a big
smile on his face and hey, you know. Uh. And
also the I met the woman from Cheers that was
a scientologist. Do you remember her? No? Is it Cheers?
(27:10):
No Ali Christie. She was really nice too, I mean
really really come across really nice and uhh. But I
remember thinking to myself, I mean, that's like, why would
I want to act differently than than the way I feel?
(27:33):
You know, if I'm upset, you can go fuck yourself,
you know, like don't I'm not gonna smile and say
like okay, okay and then turn around stab you in
the back or do do whatever. But that was that
was my That was my feeling about Scientology was they
wanted me to they wanted me, They wanted probably everybody
(27:53):
that they recruit, you know, to start by like just saying,
you know, like being happy around everybody, no matter what
the thing was. And I didn't feel right about that,
and I can remember getting into an argument. So last
time I ever saw her, I remember standing at the
door at the door of her apartment Santa Monica Boulevard,
and you know, we were arguing about scientology and I
(28:20):
was like, well, you know you feel that way and
fuck you and she said fuck you back, and that
was the end of it. So that was the end
of our relationship. That was the end of the Poppers
and the heaven was the end of the old I
was twenty two years old, so you know what, what
(28:40):
did I know? She used to like high school girls.
My previous girlfriend had been Beverly Hills High. She lived
at Beverly Hills. She found that apartment for me, as
a matter of fact, my previous.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, but she.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Was the daughter of the studio act.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
We double dated with her sister. I think we went
to see the Goodbye Girl. Yeah, and she actually met
for the role that Bill Garrick played in ten? Didn't she?
What she met? She met?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Who?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Who met?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Who met the girl?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You're talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
The one? I was staying, Yeah, oh no.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
She didn't she? I thought she met for that movie?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, No, didn't she want to be an actress? She
wanted to be an actress. Yeah. I met her in
acting in an acting class. Yeah, yeah, acting class. Great
place to.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I know, Well you had an acting class, what three
walks from our place?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Studios.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I was like, Okay, well, these two people are in
love and they're fighting, but then they make up and
they kiss and then you know, go rehearse that for
a while. Twenty two year old, you know, that was like,
uh uh one of the reasons why I took acting.
That's really one of the reasons people ask me, like
(30:03):
how did I ever get interested in acting? And ever
since going back to Nebraska when I was in community
theater and I was like twelve and thirteen, I'm like,
that's where the girls were, you know, the loose girls,
not the uptight ones. Say, actresses always seemed to be. Yeah,
actresses always seemed to be a little bit wilder than
(30:25):
the rest of them. Of girls. So but now looking
back on it, looking back on it, I'm just saying
to myself, did she really like me that much? Or
was she just a recruiter for scientology? You know, because I.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Have me like she was using you.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, yeah, like she was you know basically you know,
she would get like higher on that scale of whatever
scale she would have if she could bring in like
a young actor who was like coming.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Out, you know, up and coming up.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And coming actor. Yeah, I don't I wouldn't put it
past Scientology, just say listen if you can.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I wouldn't need it. I wouldn't need it.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I'm not sure if she liked me as much
as I thought she did. But I thought she liked me.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, if she dropped you once you made it pretty
clear your disdain for Scientology, then you know that's probably
a fair conclusion.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well yeah, and I thought I've thought about that since.
And you know, it wasn't disdain, it was discomfort. You know,
I don't have disdain, I don't care. I just didn't
want to be a scientologist. And yeah, and that's that's
when we broke up, when she found out I didn't
want to be a scientologist. And uh So anyway, and
(31:56):
I somehow, I you know, she she took me to
tour three of those you know, somehow I feel she's
looking back on that she was a recruiter. But anyway,
that's that was my my my very first experience.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh and you would be hounded for years after that
by people from Scientology getting a hold of you.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well, here's what happened. Uh when I went to the
Scientology center with her, not the center, but the one
that was on Librea. Uh. And I went in the
two or three times, I gave him my address and
uh uh and for the next and I think I
(32:43):
moved from there, Jim to with you over to uh
what was it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Brentwood when we lived we lived just over over in Brentwood. Uh,
you know, just just a block or two above Wiltshire,
kind of in that apartment buildings. Yeah, you see, just
past Ucla is west of Ucla.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah. So, and then I bought the house in Van
Eyes and out in the valley, out in the valley.
But I continued to get mail from the Scientology Center
for ten fucking years. I know, I was unbelievable that
I would get mail, and I would call the Scientology
(33:24):
Center up at you know, because after a while it's
frustrating because you know, your mailbox is jammed with all
this stuff. And I called him up and said, listen,
I you know, I checked this out three or four
years ago, but I'm really not that interested. So if
you could quit mailings, take me off the list, take
me off the list exactly. And they didn't. They just
(33:47):
kept sending it and sending it and sending it. I
think when I left that house, I think when I
bought the house with Kaylin's mother, Gina. I think that
that I think we quit we quit having any scientology
sent sent sent to us, but then we had damon
(34:09):
Wayne's knocking on. Anyway, that was that was my very
first movie experience. And there's a couple of things about it.
There's a there's one shot. There's a couple of shots.
There's a shot in it where I walk in the
room with one shirt on and walk out of the
(34:31):
room with another shirt on. I remember the yeah, yeah,
and uh, another thing that if you watch the movie,
I used to run around barefoot all the time, and uh,
if you notice the bottom of my feet, there's just
like you know, black.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But it seemed to have a pretty good time. And
another movie that I did when I was when I
was quite quite young, and that it's called zooma Beach.
Look up zooma Beach and find out how many years
after I did The Coach and zoom a Beach I'm
not sure was a film. I think it was more
of a It was a made for.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
T and that was that was also seventy eighth, same year.
Actually this might be a different Oh no, yeah, it
was also seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, and now Jim to also started a blonde bombshell.
Suzanne Summers.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, I'm talent, you man. There was so much talent
on this fucking cast is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, the credits, all the credit even you know, the
behind the camera credits include John Carpenter.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
You told me that today, I had no idea. John
Carpenter wrote zooma Beach.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He is one of two credited writers on it. He
said he wrote an early draft and they wrote it
quite a bit, but he he wrote it for one
of the producers, a guy named Bruce Cone Curtis, who said, hey,
I need a beach movie. So Carpenter came up with
a beach movie and then it got rewritten into you know,
the movie it became. But he did, you know, have
(36:11):
an early He is a credited writer on that movie.
And the other producer Brian Grazer. This was before Brian.
This is around the time that Brian was partnering up
with Ron Howard and they would go on to create
Imagine Pictures.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
First first producer.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
First produced credit Brian's first producing and then.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
He went on to produce every single Ron Howard movie.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's ever, and Ron had offices at Paramount when I
was there, and Ron had a they had a production deal.
They never did anything. The Paramount never produced anything of theirs,
but it was a kind of a talent relationship deal
because Ron was in the last year or two of
his Happy Days contract. So this was an effort to
kind of keep Ron happy. They gave him this whole
(36:54):
production company with Brian Grazer. The first movie they did
was called Night Shift with Michael Keaton and Henry Winkler.
Success and then they then they did Splash and there's
no looking back. They were they pretty much had had
almost free Rane.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And Brian Brian Grazer is another one of those guys.
He never fucking hired me again. But Brian Brian Grazer
such a sweet guy. I wonder why he got along
so well with Ron Howard, but he's just a very
very sweet guy. You could always see him coming. He
had a crew cut that was about four inches high
(37:35):
care like nobody wore nobody wears nobody wore their hair
like Brian Grais. You can see there's Brian. You know,
you could pick football, yeah there, Yeah, But he was
very nice. But the interesting thing that other guy that
you mentioned, Bruce Cone Curtis, that that guy. One of
(37:59):
the one of the uh interesting things about zoom a
Beach was that he was very interested in hiring the
children of famous people. Suzanne Summers was the star, and
I believe an actor named Stephen Keats. Yes, and Stephen
(38:21):
Keats was a very interesting actor at that time. And
maybe he was in.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Some big movies like like Black Sunday, Yes, yes, the
John Frankenheimer thriller.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Didn't you do something with Mitchem too where?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he was kind of a serious actor.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And then some dramatic movies.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Now then he committed suicide. Really was right after he
did zoom a Beach. I guess my yeah, because uh,
which I'm trying to think of one of my sons
and dashers godmother he's in.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He's in a very good Robert Mitchell movie called The
Friends of Eddie Coyle.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that is a pretty good, pretty
good movie. Who who directed that? That would have been
one of Frankenheimer kind of guys when I.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Think it was Peter Yates, Yeah, Peter Yates.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, Peter Yates directed something I've always thought of Peter Yate.
He directed Bullet Right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He directed Bullet Uh he directed I think he directed
The Deep.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I met him a
number of times.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Breaking Away, he directed Breaking Away, Eyewitness the uh brought
William Hurt movie Eye Witnessed with Sigourney Weaver. Yeah, quite
a number of good movies.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Getting back to getting back to Zooma Beach that Bruce
Cone Curtis guy gave me the impression that he wants
he was. It was very interesting in casting children of
other actors. All right, so Timothy Hutton was in that movie.
(40:15):
All right, This is way before Timothy Hutton won an
Academy Award. And uh and uh there was there was
an actor named John Marley. And John Marley Jim as
you well know, was the actor who played Uh. Was
(40:36):
he a film producer or was he a studio?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Studio executives sent your godfather and he was the one
who wakes up with a horse's head in his bed.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yes, yes, his son is I think his name His
name was Ben Marley, Robert Marley. I think he had son.
Was you know, do you have the cast list there
on Zoomer Beach.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Coming up?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh? Okay, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It had a deep cast with people like Rosanna or cats.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, first of all, let me just say I have
never ever been on a set that had so many
luscious women on. I mean we were all twenty one
and twenty two, but Rosanna, she was twenty one or
twenty two. Man that that was just an outstanding looking woman.
(41:34):
There was also a woman in that cast named Kimberly Beck,
and Kimberly Beck was just absolutely gorgeous and both of
them had like Marilyn Monroe body, I mean just bodies
that you was just unbelievable. And then there was a
(41:55):
woman on it named Tanya Roberts, and Tanya Roberts I
think went on. You know, she became real, real successful.
Now she's passed away. I've worked with Rosanna, our cat.
We did The Divide. Yeah, we did The Divide together
(42:16):
and she she was great and I love her and
she she's wonderful and I haven't seen her since we
did The Divide together. But I don't think we ever
worked before. But that was but that was a movie.
Are there is there anybody else that you recognize that's
(42:39):
in that cast? Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I mean there's a football player that I looked up
Mark Mark.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, Mark Mark, Mark Wheeler was it was kind of
this the good guy and I played the black guy,
that black guy. I played the bad guy and Mark
Wheeler played the good guy. And I noticed Mark Wheeler
when we did John Magnificent seven Johnson watching. Yeah, when
(43:13):
we talked to John Watson, I talked to him a
little bit about Backdraft and which is a movie. I
loved that Kurt was so evering good and but Mark
Wheeler is always there. He's what he was one of
the one of the firemen that was part of the crew.
(43:37):
But he never said anything, you know, so it was
almost like he was an extra. But I know he
wasn't an extra. I know he was getting paid as
an actor. But Mark Wheeler was the star of it.
And Timothy Hutton's We mentioned the other guy, and you
can't find his name.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
For uh, I'm looking at other stuff. Now, what do
you what do you.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Was a guy's name Jim Marley was Ben Marley. Yeah,
there's no Marley.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
There's no Let me try and find to be okay,
just on Wikipedia.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Okay. So, and Timothy Hutton had a father, had a
father named Jim Hutton, and I think there might have
been one or two other casts. Beneah Ben Marley. Okay,
can you just name cast members real quick to me?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And so, okay, I'll just go through starting Suzanne Summers,
Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
She was by the way, she was great. She I
didn't have very much to do with her, but she
was really wonderful.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Go ahead, Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Perry Lang, Oh, okay, Perry Lang, Perry Lang.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I met Perry.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, Perry is a great guy. He's a director now.
But Perry Lang, I'll tell you my quick Perry Lang story.
Perry Lang was on the set of UH nineteen forty one,
nineteen forty one. You know this story, Jim, you remember
this well?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think so. I met Perry. You know, I got
to know him when when around the time that forty
one was being made through you obviously, you know, hanging
around our place. But I know he was in He
was in a couple of movies around that time, but
he was in nineteen forty one for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, nineteen forty one was the big Steven Spielberg you
know movie.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's written by them, Mackison Gale. They were barely they
wrote it when they were in college. They were barely
out of the UFC Film School when they wrote that thing.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, it was a huge, huge movie, huge, huge movie.
And Perry asked me to come visit him. I told
me I could come visit him on the set, and
I thought, okay, well this is great. So they were
shooting at Universal, right, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
There shot a couple places Universal, for sure. They shot
some on the Burbank studio a lot as well. Maybe
it was they were They were definitely housed at Universe.
I think it was the Universal that you would have.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well, I went, I can't remember going and seeing Perry
and Perry taking me into Dan Ackroyd's trailer. Okay, and
he you know, back then we all had you know,
not we not me and not Perry probably, but Ackroyd
had a pretty pretty nice trailer. It was, you know, big,
(46:25):
and because you know, six or eight people could sit
around there and party and laugh and drink and stuff
like that. And so I was in there. Ackroyd was
in there, and who I went on to work with
in Susan's Plan as an interesting dude. But uh uh uh.
(46:47):
This the only time, uh, the only time that I
ever spent any time around John Belushi was when I
was in dan Rotz trailer on that movie and on
that movie which Perry Lang, you know, brought me to
(47:08):
Perry's in the movie. Uh, I was in dan Ackrootz
trailer and John Belushi came in and he was in
between shots. So he came in and I watched John
belus she do. There used to be these little sort
of see through bottles you would get like vials, vials
(47:33):
at brown vials, brown vials of cocaine that for some reason,
they always came in, those little kind of brown vials.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
That held a graham.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I believe they held a gram and uh, and I
watched John Belushi come in between shots, in between shots
that he's taking, not shots of alcohol, and in between
shots that he was because he was only he was
(48:03):
only in the trailer for about fifteen minutes. Yeah, Blushi,
we need you, you know. And during the fifteen minutes
that I was around him, he snorted that entire gram
of coke. I mean that used to be something that
kids used to do when when we were young. Somebody
get a gramma coke and that would like last you
(48:24):
and last year all night long. That was like, you know,
a very you know, and so he snorted a gram
of coke and he drank a six pack of beer.
And I was only around him for like fifteen minutes.
So that was my one experience of being around John Belushian.
(48:48):
So you know, I guess it's not surprising that he
didn't live to be much older than three.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
He didn't make it another two years. I don't believe
after that.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah. Well, another thing that.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I wanted to correct myself real quick because I said
Mark Wheeler the football player was in Suma Beach.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
When you go on Wikipedia, it's not Mark Wheeler the
football it says Mark Wheeler the football.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
He plays the football player, right.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
But on Wikipedia, like when you hover over Mark Wheeler
as David Hunter in the cast, it goes to like
the Patriots defensive linebackers, like played in the Super Bowl.
Different Mark Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Okay, Well, one of the things that's interesting, I mean,
who's ever going to see it? I would didn't even
know it was possible to even find anymore. But they
dyed my hair black, I guess because Mark Wheeler. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And I think Mark Wheeler was he was an attractive
(49:47):
guy like me. I think he two or three years
older than me, but he was, you know, a good
looking guy, and I guess they wanted something different he had.
He had light hair also, and so they darkened my hair.
And I remember that there's some sort of competition or
whatever that we're having on the beach, such a ridiculously
silly movie, some competition that we're having on the beach
(50:09):
where we're like trying to out jump or out do something.
And you know, I like, I'm like running and jumping
and flipping and I land in water and I come
up and you can see the black die just like
running down my back and like, uh, you know, it's
(50:30):
one of those things that is just like we remember
your head.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
We only got a few more minutes left here because
you've got to go go to lunch. But didn't you
say that you like saw quin Tarantino or something or
like his big movie archive or something, and you were
with him and he pulled out a copy of zooma
Beach and was like, oh, yeah, looking zoom Beach? Or
am I just not remembering that?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Or he no, I've never been with Quinton when he's
been around. Uh, you're right, Yes, you're absolutely right. Uh.
I think the very first time that, uh I met Quintin.
And I've said this before that Quentin Tarantino can tell
you what I was in and when I was in
(51:17):
it for the last thirty years way better than I can, like,
way better than me. But one of the very first
things he said, one of the very first things Quentin
ever said to me, was uh, yeah, I got a
copy of the Zuma Beach and my you know, by
by by my archives. And I was like, oh, yeah,
(51:41):
you got one of my good ones. Huh And and
I you know what I was. I always think that
I think about this and I've always like, I'm always
like Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez were so fun to
(52:02):
be around as filmmakers and they were they were both,
I mean, they're both like just brilliant people. And I
didn't work with Quinton as an actor. For Quinton, Quinton
was just around and I think Robert was trying to
show him that digitally you could do things that you
(52:22):
couldn't do with film and was and he couldn't convince him.
But so but Quinton was there every day and they
would have never been around people. I mean, and you know,
Jim Camels is he's all about film, he's all about
you know what he's doing too. But there's an intensity
(52:44):
about Jim that you know, you don't want to interrupt
him unless you've got something important to say. You know,
you don't want to go like, hey, Jim, did you
hear who won the football? Who won the Raiders game?
You know, not now, Michael, not now. But Quentin and
(53:07):
Robert was kind of when they were doing Grindhouse, which
turned out not to be as successful as we all
thought it was going to be, but they were so
kind of free wheeling and having so much fun. And
you know, Josh Brolin was on that. Josh and I
used to joke about how horrible our careers were going,
(53:27):
and thank god we'd finally gotten a Quentin Tarantino movie.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
I just read that speaking of that he had worked
Guillermo del Toro. He had been he had done a
movie that I read that Guiamo del Toro was had directed,
and it was like about bats Underground or something. I
didn't min. Yeah, I didn't quite get it, and I didn't.
(53:54):
I didn't. I didn't go after that that role because
again I couldn't talk my way in to it, and
I just didn't quite get it. But h Josh worked
on that movie. But what I understand is that he
has got a new Frankenstein coming out and Guillambo del Toro,
(54:20):
if there's if there's a movie, you know, if you
somehow I get the feeling that Gambo Toro is very talented,
very very talented guy. That's just to me, like eighty
eighty five percent of his movies, I mean eighty five
(54:41):
percent of each movie that he does is just like
they look great, they act, they're brilliant, you know. But
to me, he just has not hit that fucking sweet
sweet spot the home the home run that like the
or the Grand Slam. He hasn't hit the Grand Slam yet.
And I'm really hoping for his sake that that he
(55:02):
does that. I have a feeling, I got a feeling
about that movie that he just seems so perfect for it.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
And I just like to throw out a counterpoint there
that pans Labyrinth, the German del to War movie is
one of my favorite movies of all time, and a
lot of people really really love that movie. I've asked
you about that one, You're that's one of the ones
where were like, I didn't really get it. Well, that's
one of my all time, if not my all time favorite.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
And it is one of his more popular movies, and
it is a very very very well liked movie with
without a doubt. But I, uh, you know, to me again,
I just need to be fed with a spoon my movies.
You know, like here, Michael, here's the first fuck page,
(55:49):
here's the same, you know, like don't jump, don't don't
confuse me once I get confused, and I got confused
on that. I mean, how did we go from here
to there? But but he's a he's a very very
talented guy. By the way, did you watch that movie
you said you were gonna watch you would?
Speaker 4 (56:11):
Uh, I watched a horror movie, but that actually stars
Mia Goth who is in Frankenstein. She's kind of an
upcoming horror.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
She's in that Frankenstein's.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Upcoming Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Oh wow, wow wow wow.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
But yeah, you gotta you gotta go to lunch with Adam.
So let's wrap this up.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Okay, thank you, uh everybody for listening. And uh I
I I'm just having a great time. I've got a
lot a lot more stories, a lot more fun. I'll
let you know what what happens after I have lunch
(56:52):
with Adam. Probably he'll tell me a few things and
I won't be able to say anything because nowadays nobody
can talk about anything.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Do you think you might an update on a possible
release date?
Speaker 3 (57:02):
You know, I'll obviously ask him that and uh, but
it's not on a twenty four schedule for this year,
and it really doesn't surprise me because most movies don't
don't come out the same year they made. So but
we'll see what happens. I'm very excited about him. I
want to, I wanna, I want to. I want to
(57:25):
ask him if he's ever done a questern before I
talked to him about Tombstone. Oh yeah, And we'll see.
That'll probably go about as far as that clip that
Caitlin did of me saying, listen at the end of
the movie when we remember that part where I'm doing
this and I'm doing that. Yeah. Yeah, okay, Michael, Yeah yeah.
(57:45):
First of all, wow. Second of all, you know, don't
worry fuck off? Yeah yeah, all right, thanks everybody, Thank you. Jim.
Speaker 5 (57:54):
And which hand would you choose to whip away a
tear but grow to your way pound the old fella?
How would you look about someone dirtier than you under me.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Why would you let me carry on with our shoes?
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Would you like to see you dres
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