July 24, 2025 • 72 mins
In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, Michael and Jim share the 5 movies they would pick if stranded on a deserted island. They discuss classic films such as 'Carlito's Way,' 'Body Heat,' 'Nine to Five,' ‘Taxi Driver’ and more. They also dive into everything from the impact of Turner Classics to the unforgettable performances of legendary actors like Robert De Niro, Jack Nicholson, and Paul Newman. Highlighted anecdotes include a drunken phone call from William Hurt and an embarrassing moment for Michael while attending a Bob Seger show.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Setup
00:46 Discussing Favorite Movies
04:36 William Hurt and Gregory Nava
15:43 Bob Seger and Hollywood Nights
26:00 Lauren Bacall and Hollywood Legends
38:37 The Gunfighter and Ringo
40:40 Gregory Peck and Ron Howard in Westerns
42:34 Meeting Thomas Hulce in Prague
51:48 Taxi Driver: A Life-Changing Film
01:01:28 Top Five Movies Discussion
01:10:00 Gary Oldman's 'Nail by Mouth'
01:11:39 Conclusion and Next Episode Tease
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Setup
00:46 Discussing Favorite Movies
04:36 William Hurt and Gregory Nava
15:43 Bob Seger and Hollywood Nights
26:00 Lauren Bacall and Hollywood Legends
38:37 The Gunfighter and Ringo
40:40 Gregory Peck and Ron Howard in Westerns
42:34 Meeting Thomas Hulce in Prague
51:48 Taxi Driver: A Life-Changing Film
01:01:28 Top Five Movies Discussion
01:10:00 Gary Oldman's 'Nail by Mouth'
01:11:39 Conclusion and Next Episode Tease
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won't don't seem to following so long as so
long as I only will you one time stop days,
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Are you so jim? I thought, just for the fun
of it, uh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I would hope so kind of the objective, we can't
get that accomplished.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I thought it might. I thought, I thought I would
ask you and uh, I know these kind of questions
are are are tough.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But just then, why would I thought having fun?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, it's I think it would be fun. I might,
and I'm interested if you had to name if you
had to, like, you know, go to an island, you're
on an island or whatever, and people always talk about,
you know, what song, what movie would you bring? What? Like?
If you had to name five movies that you think either, yeah,
(01:22):
one of the best, one of the five movies that
you've enjoyed the most out of your long, long career
of watching movies, reading the scripts before they were made,
rewatching movies. I know you're a Turner classics addict. When
(01:44):
you're not watching true.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Browse Turner classics. Getting a little disheartening to see how
many movies are showing up on Turner Classics that I
remember making.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
They were making when we were Yeah, they were coming
together when you and I were starting out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's on Turner Classics and it's already been remade once
or twice, like that movie Gloria. Yes, yeah, you know
that was I remember when that first, when that script
first got written by John Cassavetti's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And he directed it too.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He directed it, Yeah, started his wife Jenner Rowlands, and
then what twenty years later, Sharon Stone started in a
version of it that wasn't anywhere near as good. But
you know that movie shows up on Turner Classics. Nine
to five was on Turner Classics just a couple of
days ago. I remember when that movie. I think we
represented Colin Higgins when he made that movie. So, you know,
(02:38):
it is a bit disheartening. But you know, one way
of saying that is if you're if you're just like
spinning through the you know, the what's on TV, and
you come across a movie and you've seen it before,
how many times we say, hey, I like this, Well
I'll go ahead and start watching it right now. I
don't care where they are in the movie, where we
are in the movie. You know, just because it's such
a fun, fun movie. I put Carlito's Way in that category. Wow,
(03:03):
that's a movie I've seen any number of times and
I can still sit and watch it from the opening
to the end and enjoy the hell out of it. Okay,
you know, I think Body Heat would fit in that category,
right right. You know I remember reading that script. It
was when I had a hiatus between working at ICM
(03:23):
and working at Paramount a couple of months, and I
was living out in Malibu with a bunch of other
ICM trainees. We were able to get a great deal
on a house not too far from the beach, and
I took the script for a Body Heat. I hadn't
read it yet, but I took the script down to
the beach and read it on the beach and just
it was a movie on the page, and the movie
(03:44):
wound up being basically the script. It's there in the script,
and just loving that script, and I can that movie.
If that movie comes on, I'll watch it all over
again as well.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know, Body Heat tell me that I don't make
your work was in Kathleen Turner and which still William
William Hurt. You remember the I'm sure that I've I've
mentioned to you before because it it used to be
real funny. I I don't seem to be able to
(04:16):
tell it anymore in a way that it was funny.
But I was up for a movie that a guy
name I think his name is Greg green Nova, Greg
Green Yeah, yeah, directed, and uh they wanted me to
come in and and read for for for them, and
(04:41):
Greg Green Nova I believe his name is, had hadn't
really made any movies before that, and I I just
you know, I I knew that William Hurt was going
to be in it, and I would love to work
with her, but I just I just kind of took
a stance that I was not going to go audition
(05:02):
for him. And and that went on for you know,
a couple of weeks, and uh, I finally uh uh
I was at home, uh where I was living at
the time, and it's about midnight or one o'clock at night,
(05:26):
and uh my phone rang. I'm like, who the fuck
is this man? One o'clock at night? And I picked
up my phone and I said hello, and he said Michael.
I said, yeah, it goes it's Bill Hurt. And I said, oh,
(05:48):
Bill Hurt. William Hurt, Right, Bill Hurt, I said, Bill Hurt,
William Hurt, whatever he said, whatever his name is, that's
what he said. And I was, oh, whoa, you know,
like wow, you know he was the Hunter. Yeah, and this,
you know, this is like a movie star calling William Hurt.
(06:09):
Nobody nobody was in.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hell at that time. What he was hotter than hell
at that time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. Do you know what year this movie was.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
What's the movie called?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Gregg Gregy Knaller came to prominence with a movie called
El Norte It yeah, nineteen eighty three, that are.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right in there, Okay, so yeah, yeah, so it would.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Have been about eighty four. This is around the time
that he had made Heart, had made Altered States, which
is a Patty Chayevsky script, he had made uh big chill.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh oh it's a big chilli course.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah. So he'd been in some movies and well
at this point too, he got Body and he had
also done the movie about the Death Woman who oh yeah, yeah,
Children of the Lester God, Children of a Lesser God.
(07:15):
And he at the time that he right at the
time that he called me, was uh dating and or
living with or and or in love with Matt Marley Matlin.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. So I so I pick up the phone, and
you know, I'm like, oh, oh wow, it's nice to
you know. I didn't. I just wasn't expecting it at all.
And he started talking Jim and he was like, my
(07:58):
you need uh shut to do fucking motherfucker. I can't
tell you fuck I can't, you know. And it was
like I couldn't understand a fucking word he said. He
talked to me for like five minutes, and he was
(08:19):
so fucking hammered. He was so fucking hammered that, Uh,
I just couldn't understand. But you know, I stayed on
the phone. Oh how badly. I wished I could have
like had one of those buttons that was like push
record on that one to hold over Bill's head for
(08:39):
the rest of his life.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Uh liked cheeseburger.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I would never do that to anybody. Uh but uh,
but I mean he he talked to me for it
had to have been five or six minutes, and all
all I can remember hearing that and and and remembering
being able to recognize was fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Me fuck them. I was like, all right, Bill, well
you know the drinking dial.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thanks for calling. Uh sure, and I was talking to you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'll call you back bill, uh and let's have a
drink sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And anyway, I think that because he called me, uh,
I went over too. I think he was at the chateau.
He was at one of those hotels and uh I
went over to to to to meet with him. And
I guess the real hold up. I didn't have anything
(10:01):
to do with Greg Reno, but it was him him
like saying, well, you know, can this guy act? You
know or you know, I want to see him act.
I want to see something. I So I went over
to his place and he had just got done running.
It was Beverly Hills. Now where did I say, chat too?
(10:23):
And I wasn't a chattoo. It was some someplace I know,
he just got done running and he he came in
and he opened a beer and he fucking slugged that
down here, do you want one? Whatever? And uh, you know,
he started slugging these spears down fast fast, and uh
(10:49):
uh you know, we talked for quite a while and
then I, uh, you know, I I was basically trying
to tell him that the words that were on the
paper the words that were written on the paper, you know,
weren't the best way to you know, kind of get
(11:11):
across what you know, you know, what they wanted me
to read, what he wanted me to read with him,
with him, I just thought was not the best.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh was the movie? Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Was it a Time of Destiny?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Gregory and William Hurt?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah yeah, and tim they d yeah, yeah, okay, and
so yeah, I didn't know it was called I don't
think it was called a Time of Destiny. So anyway,
I you know, I was trying to make the point
that I thought that there's some of the stuff wasn't
written as well as it could be. And you know,
it kind of comes from the place of like, well,
(11:53):
make it work, Just make it work. You're an actor,
you know, just make it work. Make it work. And
so we went back and forth a little bit and
and and I read it with him, but I had
real misgivings about him at that point and the material
at that point, and uh uh uh, you know, I
(12:16):
really didn't have my heart in it. And uh, they
ended up casting Timothy Hutton in that movie. And it'd
be interesting to hear what Timothy Hutton has to say
about William Hurt because from what I understand, you know,
I think they shot that overseas and uh uh, I
(12:39):
think they had where they shoot.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
It looks like they shot it in Croatia, Spain and
San Diego.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, okay, Well, from what I understand, they had a
they had a real, real, real problem with Hurt and
his drinking on that movie. And was at the end
of Greg greenov did he ever?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
No, he went on to do.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
He went on to do He went on to do
Selena after that, and then he did a movie called
Why Do Fools Fall in Love? And then after that
he did Freeda.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, he did Freda. It was a pretty good movie.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Oh I'm sorry, that was screenplay only he don't direct.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That, Okay, okay, okay, anyway, that's that's but you know,
while I was there, he was talking to his girlfriend
over the telephone and they have like a telephone that
was like technology back then. This was what year was
(13:48):
eighty eight, So I had done Terminator and I had
done Aliens by then. So that's kind of me too,
like kind of like, I don't why do I fucking
need to fucking But he was like talking to his
girlfriend Marley and over the telephone, and the telephone was
(14:11):
like hooked up to like like a typewriter. Yeah, and
they would like he would talk, he would type, and
she would you know, I'm not sure exactly obvious she
obviously she was talking. She was in a movie recently. Uh.
And it was about a deaf family and what was that?
And that was a pretty good movie or it got
(14:33):
I remember getting some pretty Oh oh oh did it? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
I think you're right. Did it win an Oscar for
Best Picture? Oh? Coda, right, coda? Did that when it
did win the Best Picture that year? Didn't it? I
believe it did?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yes, yeah, one numerous And that's your best Picture, Best
Supporting Actor, Best the apted screenplay.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Wow wow wow wow. But anyway, I I'll always remember
him that that conversation was just it wasn't a conversation.
It was a one sided conversation. And uh, anyway, so
you mentioned and and and Mickey Rourke made such a impression.
(15:27):
That's another one that we could have put on that list.
I think we did have him and Alsos where he had.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We did we did? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, he had one scene in that movie, correct.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, starts off, he's singing along with Bob Seger. I
feel like a number in that scene, and then he
shuts the radio off and starts talking to Bill Hurt.
It's a great scene.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, you know, uh, Bob Seeger, Bob Seeger and I
met Seer. Oh really yeah, yeah, I spent a lot
of those Hollywood nights. Well you know it's funny because uh,
well I've got a couple of stories that the one,
(16:16):
the one that the one that's kind of fun. First
of all, first of all, he's great. It's just a
great He was so like just down to earth like
like not a that's not always I'm not a rock
star at all, just.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like I'm a fan. I'm a Oh I can between
the page, I can turn the page over and over
and so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's a gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous song. But I I was
with him, and he was dating a woman who was
a friend of your mother's and of genius, and uh
so he would come over and hang out with his girlfriend.
(17:02):
And I can remember once taking him out and going like, hey,
let's you know the girls are doing this or whatever,
Let's go fucking hit this club, like I'm, you know, like,
let's go party at this like club, and he's like
all right, you know, so we go there and you know,
of course there's a huge line. I'm like, you know,
(17:23):
who the fuck that is? Yeah, okay, thank you, and
we walk right in or whatever. But you know, it
kind of like during those disco days, yeah, you know.
And it was only years later that I remember that
he had a song had the lyrics in it. There
(17:44):
was something along the line, so just give me that
old time rock and roll music. I don't need this
disco bullshit. I forget the exact lyrics.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That's the song that Tom Cruise dances in Risky Business
and how.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You why do you remember? I think he probably probably yeah,
give you that old time rock and roll. I don't
know exactly what the lyrics are, but there's some lyrics
that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Just can't that off the shelf. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, so there's something about the new stuff being full
of shit, and that's basically he probably wrote that song
the next morning after after I took him to some
fucking disco, fucking disco player. Anyway, I did my other
(18:34):
story about him, and I was with your mom when
with this too, is you know because of our relationship
with him. Uh, he was playing in La and he's
playing at the Forum. I believe it was a forum,
and I, uh, I was with your mom and and
(18:57):
his girlfriend. And I think I did like a I
think I had smoked a little bit of pot right
before I went in, and uh uh we went in
(19:18):
and we sat down. We were in like the second row.
You know, we're like right there, right in front of him,
and you know, he starts doing this thing, and about
you know, thirty minutes into it, I started feeling a
little queasy, like I need I need some air, Like
I just like started feeling a little bit queasy. And
(19:40):
I got up and I said, I think I need
need to get some air. And I all right, I
got up and I walked and if you remember, I
think it was the Forum. I remember the form was
on the floor and then you had to walk up
a flight of steps to get to the next bun chairs.
(20:00):
Then you walk up another flight of stairs, you know.
So I started walking up these stairs and I can
remember looking up and thinking like oh man, like fuck,
look how many stairs they are, And like I can't
wham man, I was out. I fucking passed out. I
(20:23):
passed out. Yeah, they had the fucking emergency. Yeah, yeah,
they had to have like the fucking emergency. People come
fucking pulled me out. They basically they took me outside
and uh kind of got me, you know, freshened up
a little bit. Yeah, you know, I, you know, I
(20:43):
I but it was like right in the middle of
this song, right in the middle of like one of
his big tunes, and here I am like tumbling down
these stairs and everybody's looking at this idiot who's like,
you know, smoked too much pot before he got in there,
and just tumbling down the stairs. And yeah, they took
(21:05):
me out once I had some fresh air. I got
fresh air, but I basically just fainted. It was was fainted,
and I ended up going back in and finishing watching
the concert. But I, you know, when I then I
went backstage to see him, and I was like so
apologetic that like because you know, and Gina also was
(21:28):
a little bit like, yeah, you took a little bit
of the fucking shine off the song. Yeah, everybody was
looking at you, Michael instead of Bob when he was singing,
you know, turned the page. But yeah, Mickey Rourke was
(21:49):
Mickey Rourke did one scene in that in that movie.
Okay you got you got any others that you? Uh?
That's three.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well, there's another movie I would pick, which is Pritsy's Honor?
Do you know that movie? Jack Jack Nicholson great cast
Jack Nicholson who directed that job? Angelica Houston, John Houston directed.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
John Houston directed My Last movie.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
One of his very last movies. And you know he
capped off his career by making a really good movie.
Do you know the movie? Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think I have. I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, it's it's it's very funny. Nicholson plays a member
of a mafia family back East and he he used
to be involved with Angelica Houston, which is kind of
IRONI because in real life he used to be involved
with Angelica Houston. And in the movie, the character that
Angelica Houston plays used to be involved with him at
(22:51):
one point, and he meets Kathleen Turner and he just
falls head over heels for her. And what he doesn't
know is that she is a hit right. She's also
a mafia hit lady, and she also knocked off the
family that he works for. She hit a casino in
Vegas for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars seven hundred
(23:13):
thousand dollars or so. So he falls in love with her,
and then he finds out that she's this good person
and and a thief. And he goes to see Angelica Houston,
his old girlfriend, and he's, you know, pouring his heart
out to her. And he says, I don't know which
of these do I do?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know? Do I I love her? Do I marry?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Or do I whack?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Or which of these do I do? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And Angelica Houston says, marry or Charlie. Just because she's
a thief and a hitter doesn't mean she's a bad
woman in other respects. I just love that line. That's
one of my favorite lines in movies altogether. It's it's
very it's a funny movie. It's it's really good, got
a great plot to it. Robert Losia is in it.
(23:55):
He's terrific. That's a really good character at William Dickey.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, it's funny as hell in this thing. It's well
worth watching and well, you know, well, very impressive movie
for something. John Houston made that late in his career.
John Houston co wrote the very first movie ever made
about Wyatt Earth in nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so I was gonna we are talking about directors
and directors careers and you know who who has an
impressive either the most impressive or who do you think?
And you know I that his career. I mean he
(24:41):
really really really had a great career as a director.
He because he did the Bogart movie with a multi falcon.
Well yeah, no, this is the one where they're in
Africa with Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, we did. He did a number of movies like
Treasure of the Sierra Madre, which is a great, great movie,
wonderful movie, a great movie. Badgers.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We don't have to show you.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I was seaking madders, you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Know, that's a very that's one time.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Robert Blake is in that movie.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
If you can believe that, is he really?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yes, yes, he plays a little Mexican kid that they
need in the village. Yes, Oh my goodness. Well his father,
John Houston's father was in that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Walter Walter Houston Yealter the movie.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, that's that's that's a really interesting performance by Bogart.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I meant, Dobbs tim Holt is the other guy. He's
great too.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The whole movie is is you know, really really really good.
I was thinking about the movie that he did with
Catherine Hepburn with the boat African Queen. The African Queen
is a like an absolute beautiful movie. I can sort
of watch that movie over and over and.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Humphrey bogerts in that. Also, here's an interesting thing, Uh
we were we were uh when he was doing African Queen.
He was married to Lauren Butcall. And I said many
times before that, like, I really enjoy acting. And almost
(26:34):
every single person I've ever worked with has always been
kind of a team player. They've just everybody. It's like
being on a football team and everybody's kind of have
a position and there might be one that somebody's a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
We're all eighty.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Everybody's aiming for the same results. But Lauren Butcall was
just like, oh god, I'd never I was so young
when I did The Fan and she was so ugly
and so bitter and so controlling. Yeah, and I I
(27:13):
there's nobody else that I've freaking I've talked about as
being uh uh a person that that that that had
no right acting the way that he acted. And and
I've kind of gone through the whole freaking thing before.
But Lauren Becall was just the way that she treated
(27:36):
people on that set, the way she treated ed Biancei,
who was the director of the movie, The way she
treated everyone.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I remember you telling me when you got back from
shooting it about how horribly she treated I think it
might have been one of the other actresses or a
woman who was an assistant or something.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But she she she she had a group around her.
She had her own like secretary, she had her owne yeah,
her entourage. They got it worse than anybody. I mean,
she had you know, she's kind of got this reputation
for being this tough you know whatever, but she was
(28:17):
fucking horrible. So it was I was very surprised by uh,
you know, I'm flicking through my phone, uh yesterday and
uh Rockford Files, we were just talking about him in
(28:39):
the last episode that we did. Who we're talking about
James James Garner. Well, James Garner was in the fan Okay,
So basically there's if you can go online now and
you can see some guy who's basically said, James Carner
really fucking hate Lauren Becall and his experience, Like, yeah,
(29:05):
that he was. He was known as a get along
kind of guy. He was fun and everybody loved him
and he loved everybody else. And he was just that
guy until he met Lauren Becall and Louren butcall, you know,
kind of stopped him in his tracks. And I think
that they quote him from his book and he's about
(29:26):
as subtle as as as you know, the nobody really
like like talk shit like I because nobody else does that,
you know, And so he did, you know, it was
it's his way of saying, you know, she made me
very uncomfortable. It seemed like the era left the room
(29:47):
when she came into the you know, I forget exactly
what the quotes were, but uh now, yeah, on YouTube,
you can look up the two of them and that'll
probably pop up. And thank god, finally somebody, somebody else,
you know, has opened their mouth about I knew that.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He had said that making the movie was a miserable
experience and he wasn't very happy.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, you know, you had he.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Had attributed it to her specifically, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You had told you had told me that, Jim, and
that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit, just
because you know, I didn't I didn't know that's what
he meant. I thought he meant like it was just
a bad movie, and I didn't want to it shouldn't
have been on this movie because it was a bad movie.
And it, Yeah, turned out it wasn't a very good movie,
mostly because Lauren but call so terrible in it as
(30:38):
far as you're concerned, and so gravelly voiced to have
talked about this before on the podcast, telling me Michael,
we might be in a little bit of trouble because
when I got that role, like everybody everybody in town,
I was I was the fan. The movie was called
The Fan. I was ty playing, role playing crazy and
(31:03):
it was a it was it was a big deal
and I was so happy that like Garner had and
they basically, uh were presuming a lot probably, but they
basically quoted him in his book talking about how uncomfortable
he was on the set and uh and uh working
(31:27):
working with her. You know, Marine Stapleton was on that set.
That's the story before on the elevator.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I remember you telling me something about the director wanted
to it, got a couple of cakes from Garner and
then wanted another one, and Garner said Garner wouldn't do it.
He said, no, you got it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah yeah, Well Garner would know at that point you
got it. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, No, Garner would know
for sure. And uh, but it was just kind of
a it was kind of like nice to see that, uh,
you know, somebody else. And I I've always you know,
wondered why she was so uh bitter, and uh, I've
(32:13):
come to my own uh uh idea that I just
you know, back in the day when she was hanging
around with Bogart and Spencer Tracy and Catherine Hepburn and
she's hanging out with John Houston.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
He's the one who coined the term rat pack, right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I think we mentioned this, but but her group was
not Sinatra in those guys. Her group. Her group was
Betty Davis. And you know that that group of people
were like extraordinary talented, extraordinary the talent of that time
(33:00):
what would have been like the forties and fifties, forties,
and you know, and then you know, she married Bogart
and uh it's interesting how some people, it seems, uh,
get crucified for having an affair and breaking up a marriage, uh,
(33:27):
and other people just kind of seemed to slide because
you know Bogart was married. I believe when he you know,
anybody knows anything different than this, please let me know.
Because the way that I the way that I've always
understood the situation was Bogart was married and then he
(33:49):
met her, and then she said, just you know, put
your lips together and whistle Steve, you know, out of
whistle right and uh and love. That was the end
of his marriage, and that was the beginning of their relationship.
And she was with him until he and I think
she was all of what nineteen, yes, yes, yes, and
(34:12):
he would have been what fifty forty? Maybe I think
he was closer to forty Okay, okay, okay, well he
you know, you know, and I've always felt that maybe
she was the way that she was basically because I
(34:33):
just don't think she was a very good actress. She
just wasn't very I mean, name like, like, where has
Lourene Pcall ever been in a movie where you went like, wow,
that is a performance? I mean, how many how many
Academy Award nominations did Lorne Becall get? I haven't gotten
any either, so much I shouldn't be talking, but you know,
(34:57):
she was hanging around and she got lots and lots
some opportunities, and I think what probably happened with her
is she's sort of like she was so much younger
than that group of people who, like you said, were
all in their forties.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
And then she was twenty five years younger than Bogie.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay, And she earned her first Academy Award for Best
Supporting Actress at age seventy two, which she was widely
expected to win, but lost to Juliet Binoche for The
English Patient And what.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Was what was she in trying to look for that
she was nominated? Then? Yeah, oh god, I'm glad wouldn't
want to have been her driver on the way home
from the Academy Awards that night. Uh. That was.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
The Mirror Has Two Faces?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
She was nominated for The Mirror Has Two Faces. Yeah, okay,
well that sounds like one of those things that like
you've been hanging her long enough.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
She was in John Wayne's last movie, The Shoot Is Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She was which was who directed that? Jim Was? I
love that movie? Ron Howard who directed it?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, Well, you know it was a good movie, Ron Howard.
She's like that in the fan and she's always kind
of like grumpy and kind of mean spirited and like nasty,
and you know that's how she kind of wasn't supposed
to be.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Like Don Siege, Yeah, who was a real kind of
classy director from the original Invasion of the Body Snatcher.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It had jim it had like another famous actor played
the doctor that really James Stewart. James Stewart. James Stewart
was was in that movie. The scene between him and
James Stewart. James Stewart basically he comes to the doctor.
When we first meet his character, he's like riding on
(36:58):
a horse and he's he's he sits on a pad
like a pillow. It's on his horse and then kind
of like wondering like, well, what what's sir John Wayne
and sitting on a pillow, you know. And so pretty
early on in the movie, he goes in to see
a doctor and uh uh. He goes in to see
Jimmy Stewart, and Jimmy Stewart like basically looks him over
(37:23):
and tells him he's got cancer and he doesn't have
that long to live, and uh uh. Then he leaves
and then this story moves on and there's a big
gun fight a little bit like The Unforgiven at the
end of it. You know, but I like that movie,
(37:43):
you know.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I liked Stuart and John Wayne had been in a
classic movie called The Man Who Shot Liberty Ballance, so
it was sort of like, you know, these these two
iconic Western figures meeting up again, you know, and John
Wayne plays a guy who's dying in the movie, and
(38:04):
in fact, he died not long after the movie was made,
so the scene has a certain element of poignancy to it,
kind of knowing the background of these two actors as well.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
What is the What is the Western? I saw recently
that had a Gregory Peck who is a gunfighter who's
haunted sort of from the past because he's a gun
But it reminds me a little bit of The Unforgiven, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You think it's probably called The Gunfighter.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
The Gunfighter, And yeah, he dies at the end of
the movie. He dies. It's it's kind of a it's
a it's a it's a good, really really good movie.
And there's a young gunslinger type of kid that he
right before he dies said you know, I drew first
(38:53):
or something like that to let this kid off because
he knows what the kids got, you know whatever. But
I if that is the Gunfighter.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, well there's a there's a character named Ringo that
apparently runs all the way through the movie The Gunfighter,
only he's a Jimmy Ringo.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well that's that's the character that he that he played,
Is that right? I believe? So? Did he play play?
Can take a look?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah. And Ringo is I've I've said before.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, probably think it's cast as Jimmy Ringo. Yeah, that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, and Ringo is you know, you hear his name
a lot when it comes to Westerns and there. I'm
sure that I've done this one before too. But when
I was twelve or thirteen a song became a hit
for about a week called Ringo. He lay face down
(39:53):
in the desert sand, clutching his six gun in his hand,
shot from behind. We thought he was dead under his
heartland ounce of lead.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Song by a TV actor who talks most of the song.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Lord Green, Yes, who had his own Western Uh yeah,
Banza bonanza. It's a talking song. Yeah, yeah, Ringo. Yeah,
I remember that, Yeah, Yeah, I liked it. I liked
that song.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I remember the song.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I can still.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
You know, I don't remember the lyrics as well as
you do, obviously, but they sound familiar and I can
hear the music you know that goes with it. That
the company.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's Lorn Green sort of just talking this
way through it, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure it's available on YouTube
and you have to look it up. What what are you?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And the name of that Gregory pect movie. That's a
great movie, by the way, that's the Gunfighter who directed The.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Gunfighter named Henry King. Okay, I don't know, it's too
well regarded movie.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Also just a fun fact in the shootest Ron Howard
was also in them.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mentioned earlier, and right at that point
where Ron is starting to transition. I think he directed
a movie not long after that for Roger Corman, so
he's just in.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
My dust, right, it wasn't yeah my dust. Yeah. And
then he did Beatle Beatle Jews after.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
That, No, no, no, never did that, he did.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I think he did night night Shift.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I think he did night Shift.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, and then of course he did Splash And that's
what splash. Splash is what made him what made him
and Ron and oh you know, the the guys they.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Were but but but.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Night Shift was the first real feature that he did
for Alan.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, okay, what other whatever other?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Another another John Houston movie I would put on. There
is The Man Who Would Be King? Have you ever
seen that?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I've seen that, Jim and I you know, I uh,
you know, I I can watch that movie over.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'd watch it right now.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Sean Connery and Michael and that. You know, that is
a really wonderful movie, and they've got a great relationship
and and I there's something about that movie that, like
my simple brain just can't wrap itself around, as as
well as other movies like Gandhi for instance, which is
(42:31):
kind of an old period piece sort of same you know, uh,
which I loved and Amedeus, you know, which I loved.
And Yeah, if I told the story about Thomas Hols
meeting Thomas Holst sover in Prague.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
No, you mentioned meeting him when you were doing uh,
Martyrdom of San Sebastian, but you you didn't really talk
too much about Thomas's work on the day, so he
was making at the same time.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Well, we were staying well we're in Prague. It was
a it was a communist country at that.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Time and still in the Iron curtain.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, And I was doing that sort of gay version
of Saint Sebastian that we've talked about a little bit before.
When you go to IMDb and you go on the
page like the highest, like the highest numbers that I get,
like better than Aliens and Terminator and stuff. But these
two things that I did for this gay director over overseas,
(43:46):
one which I think he shot without the other studio
even knowing that he did it. And I didn't quite
realize how gay it was until I got older and
people kept sitting the pictures.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Were start showing up on the internet coming back on.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, yeah, you know, I'll tell you another movie that
really tracks gay men is The Fan. I'm not suret make.
Maybe it's is Laura McAll and they got some idea lauramacall.
But usually if somebody wants an autograph, uh, and it
has anything to do with the Fan, I'm like, Uh,
I think I've even said it before. You're gay, right,
(44:22):
that seems to be Uh. What was I talking about before?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I thought I was telling the story about meeting Oh yeah,
thumbas holes and so so anyway, uh, he's shooting Amideis
and uh, I'm shooting this other thing and we're staying
at the hotel. What is it called, not the Continental,
something like the American Hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.
(44:51):
And I'm telling him back then Prague was like horrible,
like bread breadlines, and during the day you'd see hollorless colorless, ugly.
I remember the director used to always say to me,
always say to me, but he said to me, like,
you know, when you're in Prague, always look up, look up,
(45:12):
meaning look at the architecture because uh uh, Prague was
not bombed during World War two, so you know, the
churches and you know, like everything is intact and it's
a beautiful place. But if you look down, you see,
you know, there's something about times that I have been
(45:36):
in communist countries. It's the same way when when I
was in Russia, Like it's just something dull, it's taken
out of people. It's really like like just not a
lot of laughs, you know, not a lot of not
a lot of smiles, not a lot of like it's
(45:57):
you're really kind of ugly. But anyway, so so so anyway,
we're staying in the Inn Continental I think it was
called We're staying in the same hotel, and every once
in a while, you know, we'd get together and actually
we smoke a little pot. I don't remember how or
where or whatever. And we did it with a girl
who played his uh girlfriend in the movie. And she
(46:20):
replaced somebody that broke her foot. There was a there
was Meg. There was another actress that that broke her
foot who was supposed to play that role, and so
this other girl was the last minute replacement. But anyway,
they were shooting that with Milo's foreman, and you.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Know, I didn't I who had done one flow with
the Cuckoo's Nest and the movie.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, yeah, And I didn't, you know, Jim, I was.
I don't know how old I was, but I didn't know.
I didn't know that Milo's foreman had done one flu.
I didn't even know if ever had never seen one
flu of the Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But people have asked on the podcast before, like what
movies you know, when you were growing up, what movies
influenced you, you know, when you were a kid or whatever,
And like, I didn't go to movies you know, I
thats just was not part of the I mean, we
would go occasionally, we would go to a movie. I
(47:16):
think my parents took me to see Cat on a
Hunting Roof on my twelfth birthday or something like that.
But we would we would go to the what do
you call the outdoor movies, the uh, the drive and
we used to go to the drive in movies all
the time. But you know, I was like eight, ten, nine, eleven, twelve,
I didn't was painting any attention to that, you know,
(47:40):
running around looking for little girls.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
When you turned seventeen, then you went to the drive
and you weren't watching the movie at all.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well we you know, and by the time there was
by the time I was seven seventeen, I had already
moved to Arizona and there there were no drive ins
in the area that I lived in. That was just
something that I remember. I was kid. I didn't grow
up watching movies. I didn't grow up I remember seeing
Lenny when I was very young because I was in
Chicago and my aunt was very artsy and she and
(48:10):
that's anyway, so anyway, getting back to Thomas Holst, is
that Thomas Hulst started coming back and you know, get
together and talk and smoke a little pot or whatever
and talk. And at one point he started bitching to me.
(48:32):
You know, I'm bitching you. Listen. He's I'm sure he's
a wonderful guy. I don't mean anything other than he's
a wonderful guy and a wonderful actor, and he's brilliant
in the movie and everything. But he was complaining to
me about the fact that he had had lunch, and
he was having lunch and somebody made him laugh and
(48:55):
he laughed out loud, and Milo's foreman said, I'm gonna
you know, I didn't say to him at that moment,
but said, like that laugh. I want that laugh in
the movie. And they He was complaining to me that
(49:17):
every scene that he did, Milo's foreman was making him
do this laugh, this kind of crazy laugh.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, it almost a maniacal laugh.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
And he didn't like it. I mean, he didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
He made him look juvenile, it made him look lightweight.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well was the point of it.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Well, I can see why he'd give a little grouse
about it. That's because he does do it a lot
in the movie. I can It's funny to hear you
say this.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Well. The thing about it, though, Jim, is that's when
you think about that, when you think about Ama daeis
when you think about the character, the first thing that
you think about is that laughed. That laughed, yeah of course, yeah,
you know, and that really cements him as kind of
this free juvenile, like crazy, but like just free loving,
(50:08):
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, wild spirited, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was you know
interesting that I remember that, you know, back in the day,
back when he was shooting it, and he was just
a kid too. He's my age, and he was just
he was very very young. Yeah, but he was not
he was not he was not about that laugh at
all at the time he was shooting it. You know.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It's so funny because that is what he's best remembered
for in that movie.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Well, I think he's best remembered. Wait, what other movies
that Thomas Holst dud An Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
You know he'd done that a few years before. I think,
kind of an innocent college kid.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Ah, there's a character named Solary so solarious yeah yeah, yeah,
was Abraham. Yeah, that's what I thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,
uh yeah, and that was you know, we shot I
was shooting one thing in progue and that they were
shooting something else and uh, uh have you gotten up
(51:14):
to five? Have you gotten up to five yet? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, that was fine.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I was born. I well, I was thinking Jim Moore
about uh, you know when I was asking, you know,
people ask me like, what's your what's your favorite movie?
What's what's your favorite movie? People ask me that quite
a bit, And it's very hard for me to say
this movie, but I do have a favorite movie because
(51:42):
it affected my life in a way that made me say, oh,
I need to take my ship a little bit more seriously.
And I think and uh, that was Taxi Driver.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Taxi Driver to me was soul changing experience where I
just like saw that performance and just thought that Robert
de Niro was just so perfect and not even knowing
(52:20):
at the time how good Harvey Kaititew was and how good.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
I hadn't seen on Mean Streets yet, but I remember
being dazzled by the way the movie was made, just
the directing of it, just the way he was moving
the camera.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
And the music.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
The music. Bernard Herman, the guy who composed all of
of some many of Alfred Hitchcock's scores. Oh, such a
good died. I mean the movie is dedicated to herman
because he died. He died shortly after completing the school.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Was Jodie Foster twelve? Okay, Jon Foster. They're so wonderful
in it. And who's the other cab driver that takes
him out and gives it here boiled or boiled that
it's great stuff?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Is that other other cab? Yeah? But I'm not Bertrand Russell.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
What.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I have a cabby, you know, and I just don't
get laid, can't come on, you know, care up for
God's sake.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
One of the things.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, there's so many great moments in that movie. Again,
I just was so impressed with the way he directed
that movie, the way he cut it together. I mean,
he had some edits in there. I was scratching my
head when what the fuck was that all about? Like
when he's looking in the rear view mirror and adjusting it.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
And uh, and then he's in the he's in the
the he's walking out of the cab manager's office after
he gets hired, and the camera does like a three
sixty pan all the way around the cabby.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Uh garage, there's no particular reason to do that, but
you know, uh, and we certainly won't quote it on
this on on this podcast, but we were talking about
people who did one scene in a movie and just
like kind of stole it.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Now, he did not steal it. He didn't steal it
with his scene. But Marl Scorsese, you remember fucking good,
you remember he was pretty good? Yeah, what is what
is the name of the actor who plays the gun
salesman to the guy who sells the guns. I don't
(54:44):
know that.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
He was really an actor, just kind of a pal
that they knew. I don't think he was even cast
for the part, but they brought him in because the
actor who was going to play it was it suddenly
wasn't available.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It was a sweet little thing and then quick.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Can make he use it for hot elephants in Africa.
You can you can hear, you can hammered nails with
this all day long and center cut.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
On he was he was fucking.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Cadillag with the pink two thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
Uh, yeah, I'm seeing that.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
That's just one of Scorsese's friends named Prince Stephen Prince.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Okay, and Stephen, does Stephen Prince have any other credits
that he was.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I think they made a documentary.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
About him, about him really, yeah, other than than being
in that in that scene, was there something more about
Stephen Prince that was documentary worthy?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Jim, I don't know, as.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
He's looking it up. Yeah, that movie.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
The documentary is called American Boy, a profile of Stephen Prince.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Wow, Yeah, that's saying subject to Scorsese's friend, Stephen Frince,
known for a small role as easy Andy.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
The gun salesman and taxi driver.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Prince is a easy Andy. Yeah, boy, that was a
good movie. I mean every frame, every shot, every Uh
he's got that that thing too that you see every
once in a while. I haven't seen him for a
long time. I don't live in Hollywood anymore. But back
(56:27):
in the day, you know, you'd be at night, it'd
be at night, you'd be walking down the street and
it's just some crazy motherfuger just got damn motherfucker, just
got god damn much Christian I'll kill them, motherfucker got damn.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
You don't walk out.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Just to see that. Quite quite often he had that guy.
He had that guy in the movie, and uh, oh man,
what a what a what a what a great movie,
what a great movie. You know.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
He also shows up. He doesn't have any he doesn't
say a word, but he's sitting on kind of a
the front step of the office. When uh, de Niro
goes into the office to meet Betsy for the first time,
Sybil shepherds yes, and she's in that campaign office sitting
right outside.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Hitchcock did a Hitchcock Hitchcock moved there, Yeah, right right right? Yeah.
That that that that that to me is is uh
and we've looked this up before about what won the
Academy Award that year. But that's a that's a movie
that that should have won the Academy. You know. Usually
(57:43):
people always say to me, like Val Kilmer should have
been nominated for And I think that'd be interesting to
find out who was nominated for Best Supporting Actor because
I think it was the same year as Schindler's List
and and uh guy, uh, well I'm talking well, I'm
(58:05):
talking about the Best Supporting Actor. The year that came out,
uh was ninety three, So I don't know ninety four
Academy Awards or whatever what. Because people always say to me,
vou should have wanted to an Oscar should have won
an oscar, should have gotten nominated, But I thought I
remember it at one point in my life like looking
(58:26):
back and going, oh, that.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Was the king you're thinking of from Schindler's List.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
No, no, no, no, it's the bad guy the find Yeah,
Ray Fines. Ray Fines, I think was nominated that year,
and he was like that movie. That's that I was
going to talk about, like kind of a top five
and that movie is in my top five movies. I'm
(58:56):
gonna I'm I would maybe put it at number five,
but I you know, that's that I was going to
get to that. And I absolutely adore that movie everything
about it. It is just a phenomenal movie that that's
(59:16):
one that I can watch over and over again. And
even though subject matter is so brutal and so horrifying,
I just again, the filmmaking is like just untouchable, and
(59:37):
you know, like I love that.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
There's a fascinating story behind the book came about the
guy who wrote it as a fellow named Thomas Kanneely,
who had written a book called The cant of Jimmy
Blacksmith that a director named Pred Skepsky made into a movie.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Around nineteen eighty so Knneely was from Australia. He came
to Beverly Hills to take some meetings on this movie,
and he was staying at the Beverly Wilshire and he
went into a little luggage shop nearby and was buying
a briefcase. And the fellow he was buying the briefcase
from was a Holocaust survivor who said, oh, you're a writer,
(01:00:19):
you should know about this guy, Oscar Schindler. And a
couple of years later and to Neely had a long
conversation with this leather goods owner store owner and actually
wound up taking a lot of this guy's research, some
of the stuff this guy had compiled and wrote the
books in There's List. And then Spielberg optioned the book
(01:00:41):
as soon as it was released sometime around nineteen eighty
two or three. And it took ten years to get
a screenplay for that. It took a lot of people
worked on it. It was really a tough one until
Steve's Alien finally came up with the one that was shot.
I've only really seen it once and I should go
see it again, I know, but it was so impactful
(01:01:02):
and I can understand why you know why you had
the why it had the impact on you that it did.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, all, just all. I kind of would want to
talk about each one of these a little bit, a
little bit longer, about an hour now. But I my
in my top five. I it's it's hard for me
(01:01:35):
to decide. But like the second movie after Taxi Driver
that I think is just astonishingly brilliant in every frame.
It is Godfather Part two. Now, Godfather Part one obviously
is pretty fucking amazing also, it's just like but both
(01:01:58):
of them. But the thing I like, I guess so
much about Godfather Part two it's just like you get
not only Paccino, but you get DeNiro also. I mean,
of course the other one had a brand Brando in it,
but you know anyway, that's that's that's my that's that's
(01:02:24):
that's my When I said my second, second, second, yeah,
and then I've always liked I've always thought, uh one,
Flu of the Cuckoo's Nest was a movie that was
just brilliant in every way.
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I would love to see that again.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
It's you know, Jack Nichols, but everybody is just so
good in it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
And you remember that it was one of those movies
like U Silent for the Lambs, where the movie swept
all top five OSCAR Awards Picture Director, Screenplay, Actor, Actress.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Like you said earlier, Milo's Foreman.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
It was Michael Douglass produced it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, and you know, just because this dad got grew
too old to yea, his father had purchased the rights
when the book came out ten years earlier, fifteen years
almost fifteen years earlier. Yeah, we talked about that a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Another one that I uh, you know that I would
put after One Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest. Uh. I
just love this movie. It's Cool Hand Luke, Cool Hand
Luke to me is just a fucking perfect movie. And uh,
(01:03:55):
Paul Newman is just so so so good at it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I would I would second that for sure, absolutely one
of my favorites. I can watch that if it were
to come on right now, I would watch it again.
And and there's some great actors in that that went
on to you know, pretty established careers. Dennis Hopper is
in it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Well, Dennis Hopper actually doesn't have a line in the movie.
I mean you might maybe hear him chattering in the background,
but there's never a shot of him talking, so you know,
he probably had a few lines and they got cut
out or whatever. But uh, yeah, No, there's there's some
that that movie is. Wow, that movie is. There's an
(01:04:43):
there's an actor in that who who is a director
and he directed me in the movie that we talked about,
Caitlin that when you were born, I was in in
uh uh not Arizona, uh, Texas. I was down in Texas.
(01:05:05):
It was originally I get him mixed up because there's
originally time for killing. I think it's called a place
for killing, a time for killing, something like that. Lou Antonio,
that's his name, Lou Antonio. I don't know if you
remember him. He was an actor who was in that movie?
Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
What does he play? One of the one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, one of the one of the inmates, one of
the inmates because there was some interesting guard the guy
the sunglasses? Who was that? Who was that that?
Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I don't remember that because he never speaks.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I know, I know, yeah, I know, I know, but
it's he makes a you know, makes quite an impression
on you. Shaking it off, now, boss, shaking it off,
shaking off, bos shaking it off. Morgan Woodward is who
is that name of that that that guy who plays the.
Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Guard Ward the silent menacing mirrored glass.
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Bloss Yeah, that would be the guy that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Is is Luke ask you? Uh listed, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Cast I just yeah, yeah, I just he played he
plays what the guard What the Guard does talk all
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
It has a shotgun in his hand. He's you see
him in showing up in a lot of movies stam
Peck and Palm movies, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Anyway, that's that's that's kind of my that's my top five.
Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I think you just gave four.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I did just get four.
Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Taxi driver, one floor of the Cucko's Nest, cool hand,
Luke godfather too. And then I mean you said Schindler's
List earlier?
Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Is that you're five?
Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you know, And you know,
you can turn around and talk to me a month
from now and I'll go, fuck, how did I forget?
And you know what recently him I've seen only in
the last three or four years. Uh. And you know
one flu of the Cuckoo's Nest was so good. It
(01:07:09):
was Jack Nicholson, you know, being so good. But you know,
I didn't realize how f and good. The last detail
was that also that that performance, and uh, that movie.
That's a great, great movie. And Jack Nicholson is absolutely
(01:07:35):
stunningly good in that movie. And Randy quaid is is
so much fun in that movie. The black actor I
don't remember, lead, Odishon Hings, died.
Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Not long after the movie was made, which wouldn't surprise
me because yeah, which is like a said, why you
don't hear more about him or no more of him?
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I'm saying Otis Young died in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah, no, then that's not that's yeah, I was wrong
about that then. But I mean, and it's kind of
a downer subject matter.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I know, it's it's very it's very downer, and it
ends in a downer way. I mean, it's a movie
that ends not in an uplifting way, but it is
the kind of you kind of know when you're watching
the movie that it has to end that way. Yeah,
(01:08:36):
I think so. Somehow it doesn't do what Zavi Jen's
did with The Divide. You know, you know, everybody's fighting
to get out of this hole and finally this one
woman makes it out and everybody else is dead and
she comes out and there's there's nothing nothing left, just like, well,
(01:08:59):
not all about the stick is like how like what
what was the other one that? Uh, the other one
where what's your name plays a drug addict and uh,
your mother hated it so much she's always talking about
crashing her car afterwards. Uh yeah, Heroin Addicts, Yeah, Heroin
Addict and uh yeah, uh a dream Requeen, Yeah, all
(01:09:23):
that one.
Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, that's a jittery movie to watch. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I always call things requiem for a dreamersh you know,
it's a little requiem for a dreamers for me, you know,
but I like that kind of stuff really well. By
the way, I wanted to talk about something that, Uh, okay,
(01:09:49):
are we going to do another hour? We're gonna do
one tomorrow, so we can we do it now? If
you got more stuff to talk about tomorrow? I mean, oh,
you want to just do the whole thing right now,
a whole hour. Just keep going and then you can
cut it in half.
Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Yeah, I got I have to I have to be somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Okay, remind me the next time the next podcast. Remind
me to talk about Gary Oldman's film that he directed,
which is called Uh Without Mouth. With now Mouth. No,
not no, neil by Mouth, It's called neil by Mouth.
(01:10:30):
Fucking brilliant, just an and also like Northern London. And
you know who's the star of that movie? Uh, the
the actor Ray. I think it's Ray something or just
just Ray Winston.
Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Just oh wow, Really.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Jim, if you've never seen that movie and why people
don't talk? And again that's a dark Gray Winston.
Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I mean, I love sexy beast and you know, I mean,
I'm not crazy, but he's very good, isn't it So well?
Not certainly watch any movie with him in it. And
Gary Oldman I think it's just fabulous. Yeah yeah, well Gary,
I've said before, anybody who can play Sid dishes in
Winston Churchill and Mail both es. You know that's an
(01:11:16):
actor for me.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So yeah, he wrote it to you, He wrote it. Yes,
somehow something feels kind of biographical you know about that?
And that movie is powerful. It is a powerful movie.
And I'm surprised that when people talk about Gary Oldman
they don't mention that more often. But yeah, I'll go
(01:11:39):
look that up.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
It is a very Jim and then we'll talk about
it tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
That's my assignment.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I got it all right, all right, so thank you for.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
What time are we rolling the world?
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Eleven?
Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
All right? Ah, jim see at eleven now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
With a strange pigin shoe?
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Which hand would you choose.
Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
To wipe away? A deer crow to your way barn?
That old bella? How would you look about someone dirtier
than you are? During me?
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Why don't you let a meat carry on without shoe?
Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Won't you see you dre
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won't don't seem to following so long as so
long as I only will you one time stop days,
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Are you so jim? I thought, just for the fun
of it, uh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I would hope so kind of the objective, we can't
get that accomplished.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I thought it might. I thought, I thought I would
ask you and uh, I know these kind of questions
are are are tough.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But just then, why would I thought having fun?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, it's I think it would be fun. I might,
and I'm interested if you had to name if you
had to, like, you know, go to an island, you're
on an island or whatever, and people always talk about,
you know, what song, what movie would you bring? What? Like?
If you had to name five movies that you think either, yeah,
(01:22):
one of the best, one of the five movies that
you've enjoyed the most out of your long, long career
of watching movies, reading the scripts before they were made,
rewatching movies. I know you're a Turner classics addict. When
(01:44):
you're not watching true.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Browse Turner classics. Getting a little disheartening to see how
many movies are showing up on Turner Classics that I
remember making.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
They were making when we were Yeah, they were coming
together when you and I were starting out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's on Turner Classics and it's already been remade once
or twice, like that movie Gloria. Yes, yeah, you know
that was I remember when that first, when that script
first got written by John Cassavetti's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And he directed it too.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He directed it, Yeah, started his wife Jenner Rowlands, and
then what twenty years later, Sharon Stone started in a
version of it that wasn't anywhere near as good. But
you know that movie shows up on Turner Classics. Nine
to five was on Turner Classics just a couple of
days ago. I remember when that movie. I think we
represented Colin Higgins when he made that movie. So, you know,
(02:38):
it is a bit disheartening. But you know, one way
of saying that is if you're if you're just like
spinning through the you know, the what's on TV, and
you come across a movie and you've seen it before,
how many times we say, hey, I like this, Well
I'll go ahead and start watching it right now. I
don't care where they are in the movie, where we
are in the movie. You know, just because it's such
a fun, fun movie. I put Carlito's Way in that category. Wow,
(03:03):
that's a movie I've seen any number of times and
I can still sit and watch it from the opening
to the end and enjoy the hell out of it. Okay,
you know, I think Body Heat would fit in that category,
right right. You know I remember reading that script. It
was when I had a hiatus between working at ICM
(03:23):
and working at Paramount a couple of months, and I
was living out in Malibu with a bunch of other
ICM trainees. We were able to get a great deal
on a house not too far from the beach, and
I took the script for a Body Heat. I hadn't
read it yet, but I took the script down to
the beach and read it on the beach and just
it was a movie on the page, and the movie
(03:44):
wound up being basically the script. It's there in the script,
and just loving that script, and I can that movie.
If that movie comes on, I'll watch it all over
again as well.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know, Body Heat tell me that I don't make
your work was in Kathleen Turner and which still William
William Hurt. You remember the I'm sure that I've I've
mentioned to you before because it it used to be
real funny. I I don't seem to be able to
(04:16):
tell it anymore in a way that it was funny.
But I was up for a movie that a guy
name I think his name is Greg green Nova, Greg
Green Yeah, yeah, directed, and uh they wanted me to
come in and and read for for for them, and
(04:41):
Greg Green Nova I believe his name is, had hadn't
really made any movies before that, and I I just
you know, I I knew that William Hurt was going
to be in it, and I would love to work
with her, but I just I just kind of took
a stance that I was not going to go audition
(05:02):
for him. And and that went on for you know,
a couple of weeks, and uh, I finally uh uh
I was at home, uh where I was living at
the time, and it's about midnight or one o'clock at night,
(05:26):
and uh my phone rang. I'm like, who the fuck
is this man? One o'clock at night? And I picked
up my phone and I said hello, and he said Michael.
I said, yeah, it goes it's Bill Hurt. And I said, oh,
(05:48):
Bill Hurt. William Hurt, Right, Bill Hurt, I said, Bill Hurt,
William Hurt, whatever he said, whatever his name is, that's
what he said. And I was, oh, whoa, you know,
like wow, you know he was the Hunter. Yeah, and this,
you know, this is like a movie star calling William Hurt.
(06:09):
Nobody nobody was in.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hell at that time. What he was hotter than hell
at that time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. Do you know what year this movie was.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
What's the movie called?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Gregg Gregy Knaller came to prominence with a movie called
El Norte It yeah, nineteen eighty three, that are.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right in there, Okay, so yeah, yeah, so it would.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Have been about eighty four. This is around the time
that he had made Heart, had made Altered States, which
is a Patty Chayevsky script, he had made uh big chill.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh oh it's a big chilli course.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah. So he'd been in some movies and well
at this point too, he got Body and he had
also done the movie about the Death Woman who oh yeah, yeah,
Children of the Lester God, Children of a Lesser God.
(07:15):
And he at the time that he right at the
time that he called me, was uh dating and or
living with or and or in love with Matt Marley Matlin.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. So I so I pick up the phone, and
you know, I'm like, oh, oh wow, it's nice to
you know. I didn't. I just wasn't expecting it at all.
And he started talking Jim and he was like, my
(07:58):
you need uh shut to do fucking motherfucker. I can't
tell you fuck I can't, you know. And it was
like I couldn't understand a fucking word he said. He
talked to me for like five minutes, and he was
(08:19):
so fucking hammered. He was so fucking hammered that, Uh,
I just couldn't understand. But you know, I stayed on
the phone. Oh how badly. I wished I could have
like had one of those buttons that was like push
record on that one to hold over Bill's head for
(08:39):
the rest of his life.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Uh liked cheeseburger.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I would never do that to anybody. Uh but uh,
but I mean he he talked to me for it
had to have been five or six minutes, and all
all I can remember hearing that and and and remembering
being able to recognize was fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Me fuck them. I was like, all right, Bill, well
you know the drinking dial.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thanks for calling. Uh sure, and I was talking to you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'll call you back bill, uh and let's have a
drink sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And anyway, I think that because he called me, uh,
I went over too. I think he was at the chateau.
He was at one of those hotels and uh I
went over to to to to meet with him. And
I guess the real hold up. I didn't have anything
(10:01):
to do with Greg Reno, but it was him him
like saying, well, you know, can this guy act? You
know or you know, I want to see him act.
I want to see something. I So I went over
to his place and he had just got done running.
It was Beverly Hills. Now where did I say, chat too?
(10:23):
And I wasn't a chattoo. It was some someplace I know,
he just got done running and he he came in
and he opened a beer and he fucking slugged that
down here, do you want one? Whatever? And uh, you know,
he started slugging these spears down fast fast, and uh
(10:49):
uh you know, we talked for quite a while and
then I, uh, you know, I I was basically trying
to tell him that the words that were on the
paper the words that were written on the paper, you know,
weren't the best way to you know, kind of get
(11:11):
across what you know, you know, what they wanted me
to read, what he wanted me to read with him,
with him, I just thought was not the best.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh was the movie? Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Was it a Time of Destiny?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Gregory and William Hurt?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah yeah, and tim they d yeah, yeah, okay, and
so yeah, I didn't know it was called I don't
think it was called a Time of Destiny. So anyway,
I you know, I was trying to make the point
that I thought that there's some of the stuff wasn't
written as well as it could be. And you know,
it kind of comes from the place of like, well,
(11:53):
make it work, Just make it work. You're an actor,
you know, just make it work. Make it work. And
so we went back and forth a little bit and
and and I read it with him, but I had
real misgivings about him at that point and the material
at that point, and uh uh uh, you know, I
(12:16):
really didn't have my heart in it. And uh, they
ended up casting Timothy Hutton in that movie. And it'd
be interesting to hear what Timothy Hutton has to say
about William Hurt because from what I understand, you know,
I think they shot that overseas and uh uh, I
(12:39):
think they had where they shoot.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
It looks like they shot it in Croatia, Spain and
San Diego.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, okay, Well, from what I understand, they had a
they had a real, real, real problem with Hurt and
his drinking on that movie. And was at the end
of Greg greenov did he ever?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
No, he went on to do.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
He went on to do He went on to do
Selena after that, and then he did a movie called
Why Do Fools Fall in Love? And then after that
he did Freeda.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, he did Freda. It was a pretty good movie.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Oh I'm sorry, that was screenplay only he don't direct.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That, Okay, okay, okay, anyway, that's that's but you know,
while I was there, he was talking to his girlfriend
over the telephone and they have like a telephone that
was like technology back then. This was what year was
(13:48):
eighty eight, So I had done Terminator and I had
done Aliens by then. So that's kind of me too,
like kind of like, I don't why do I fucking
need to fucking But he was like talking to his
girlfriend Marley and over the telephone, and the telephone was
(14:11):
like hooked up to like like a typewriter. Yeah, and
they would like he would talk, he would type, and
she would you know, I'm not sure exactly obvious she
obviously she was talking. She was in a movie recently. Uh.
And it was about a deaf family and what was that?
And that was a pretty good movie or it got
(14:33):
I remember getting some pretty Oh oh oh did it? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
I think you're right. Did it win an Oscar for
Best Picture? Oh? Coda, right, coda? Did that when it
did win the Best Picture that year? Didn't it? I
believe it did?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yes, yeah, one numerous And that's your best Picture, Best
Supporting Actor, Best the apted screenplay.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Wow wow wow wow. But anyway, I I'll always remember
him that that conversation was just it wasn't a conversation.
It was a one sided conversation. And uh, anyway, so
you mentioned and and and Mickey Rourke made such a impression.
(15:27):
That's another one that we could have put on that list.
I think we did have him and Alsos where he had.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We did we did? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, he had one scene in that movie, correct.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, starts off, he's singing along with Bob Seger. I
feel like a number in that scene, and then he
shuts the radio off and starts talking to Bill Hurt.
It's a great scene.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, you know, uh, Bob Seeger, Bob Seeger and I
met Seer. Oh really yeah, yeah, I spent a lot
of those Hollywood nights. Well you know it's funny because uh,
well I've got a couple of stories that the one,
(16:16):
the one that the one that's kind of fun. First
of all, first of all, he's great. It's just a
great He was so like just down to earth like
like not a that's not always I'm not a rock
star at all, just.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like I'm a fan. I'm a Oh I can between
the page, I can turn the page over and over
and so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's a gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous song. But I I was
with him, and he was dating a woman who was
a friend of your mother's and of genius, and uh
so he would come over and hang out with his girlfriend.
(17:02):
And I can remember once taking him out and going like, hey,
let's you know the girls are doing this or whatever,
Let's go fucking hit this club, like I'm, you know, like,
let's go party at this like club, and he's like
all right, you know, so we go there and you know,
of course there's a huge line. I'm like, you know,
(17:23):
who the fuck that is? Yeah, okay, thank you, and
we walk right in or whatever. But you know, it
kind of like during those disco days, yeah, you know.
And it was only years later that I remember that
he had a song had the lyrics in it. There
(17:44):
was something along the line, so just give me that
old time rock and roll music. I don't need this
disco bullshit. I forget the exact lyrics.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That's the song that Tom Cruise dances in Risky Business
and how.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You why do you remember? I think he probably probably yeah,
give you that old time rock and roll. I don't
know exactly what the lyrics are, but there's some lyrics
that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Just can't that off the shelf. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, so there's something about the new stuff being full
of shit, and that's basically he probably wrote that song
the next morning after after I took him to some
fucking disco, fucking disco player. Anyway, I did my other
(18:34):
story about him, and I was with your mom when
with this too, is you know because of our relationship
with him. Uh, he was playing in La and he's
playing at the Forum. I believe it was a forum,
and I, uh, I was with your mom and and
(18:57):
his girlfriend. And I think I did like a I
think I had smoked a little bit of pot right
before I went in, and uh uh we went in
(19:18):
and we sat down. We were in like the second row.
You know, we're like right there, right in front of him,
and you know, he starts doing this thing, and about
you know, thirty minutes into it, I started feeling a
little queasy, like I need I need some air, Like
I just like started feeling a little bit queasy. And
(19:40):
I got up and I said, I think I need
need to get some air. And I all right, I
got up and I walked and if you remember, I
think it was the Forum. I remember the form was
on the floor and then you had to walk up
a flight of steps to get to the next bun chairs.
(20:00):
Then you walk up another flight of stairs, you know.
So I started walking up these stairs and I can
remember looking up and thinking like oh man, like fuck,
look how many stairs they are, And like I can't
wham man, I was out. I fucking passed out. I
(20:23):
passed out. Yeah, they had the fucking emergency. Yeah, yeah,
they had to have like the fucking emergency. People come
fucking pulled me out. They basically they took me outside
and uh kind of got me, you know, freshened up
a little bit. Yeah, you know, I, you know, I
(20:43):
I but it was like right in the middle of
this song, right in the middle of like one of
his big tunes, and here I am like tumbling down
these stairs and everybody's looking at this idiot who's like,
you know, smoked too much pot before he got in there,
and just tumbling down the stairs. And yeah, they took
(21:05):
me out once I had some fresh air. I got
fresh air, but I basically just fainted. It was was fainted,
and I ended up going back in and finishing watching
the concert. But I, you know, when I then I
went backstage to see him, and I was like so
apologetic that like because you know, and Gina also was
(21:28):
a little bit like, yeah, you took a little bit
of the fucking shine off the song. Yeah, everybody was
looking at you, Michael instead of Bob when he was singing,
you know, turned the page. But yeah, Mickey Rourke was
(21:49):
Mickey Rourke did one scene in that in that movie.
Okay you got you got any others that you? Uh?
That's three.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well, there's another movie I would pick, which is Pritsy's Honor?
Do you know that movie? Jack Jack Nicholson great cast
Jack Nicholson who directed that job? Angelica Houston, John Houston directed.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
John Houston directed My Last movie.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
One of his very last movies. And you know he
capped off his career by making a really good movie.
Do you know the movie? Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think I have. I don't think I have.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, it's it's it's very funny. Nicholson plays a member
of a mafia family back East and he he used
to be involved with Angelica Houston, which is kind of
IRONI because in real life he used to be involved
with Angelica Houston. And in the movie, the character that
Angelica Houston plays used to be involved with him at
(22:51):
one point, and he meets Kathleen Turner and he just
falls head over heels for her. And what he doesn't
know is that she is a hit right. She's also
a mafia hit lady, and she also knocked off the
family that he works for. She hit a casino in
Vegas for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars seven hundred
(23:13):
thousand dollars or so. So he falls in love with her,
and then he finds out that she's this good person
and and a thief. And he goes to see Angelica Houston,
his old girlfriend, and he's, you know, pouring his heart
out to her. And he says, I don't know which
of these do I do?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know? Do I I love her? Do I marry?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Or do I whack?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Or which of these do I do? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And Angelica Houston says, marry or Charlie. Just because she's
a thief and a hitter doesn't mean she's a bad
woman in other respects. I just love that line. That's
one of my favorite lines in movies altogether. It's it's
very it's a funny movie. It's it's really good, got
a great plot to it. Robert Losia is in it.
(23:55):
He's terrific. That's a really good character at William Dickey.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, it's funny as hell in this thing. It's well
worth watching and well, you know, well, very impressive movie
for something. John Houston made that late in his career.
John Houston co wrote the very first movie ever made
about Wyatt Earth in nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so I was gonna we are talking about directors
and directors careers and you know who who has an
impressive either the most impressive or who do you think?
And you know I that his career. I mean he
(24:41):
really really really had a great career as a director.
He because he did the Bogart movie with a multi falcon.
Well yeah, no, this is the one where they're in
Africa with Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, we did. He did a number of movies like
Treasure of the Sierra Madre, which is a great, great movie,
wonderful movie, a great movie. Badgers.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We don't have to show you.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I was seaking madders, you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Know, that's a very that's one time.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Robert Blake is in that movie.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
If you can believe that, is he really?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yes, yes, he plays a little Mexican kid that they
need in the village. Yes, Oh my goodness. Well his father,
John Houston's father was in that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Walter Walter Houston Yealter the movie.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, that's that's that's a really interesting performance by Bogart.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I meant, Dobbs tim Holt is the other guy. He's
great too.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The whole movie is is you know, really really really good.
I was thinking about the movie that he did with
Catherine Hepburn with the boat African Queen. The African Queen
is a like an absolute beautiful movie. I can sort
of watch that movie over and over and.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Humphrey bogerts in that. Also, here's an interesting thing, Uh
we were we were uh when he was doing African Queen.
He was married to Lauren Butcall. And I said many
times before that, like, I really enjoy acting. And almost
(26:34):
every single person I've ever worked with has always been
kind of a team player. They've just everybody. It's like
being on a football team and everybody's kind of have
a position and there might be one that somebody's a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
We're all eighty.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Everybody's aiming for the same results. But Lauren Butcall was
just like, oh god, I'd never I was so young
when I did The Fan and she was so ugly
and so bitter and so controlling. Yeah, and I I
(27:13):
there's nobody else that I've freaking I've talked about as
being uh uh a person that that that that had
no right acting the way that he acted. And and
I've kind of gone through the whole freaking thing before.
But Lauren Becall was just the way that she treated
(27:36):
people on that set, the way she treated ed Biancei,
who was the director of the movie, The way she
treated everyone.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I remember you telling me when you got back from
shooting it about how horribly she treated I think it
might have been one of the other actresses or a
woman who was an assistant or something.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But she she she she had a group around her.
She had her own like secretary, she had her owne yeah,
her entourage. They got it worse than anybody. I mean,
she had you know, she's kind of got this reputation
for being this tough you know whatever, but she was
(28:17):
fucking horrible. So it was I was very surprised by uh,
you know, I'm flicking through my phone, uh yesterday and
uh Rockford Files, we were just talking about him in
(28:39):
the last episode that we did. Who we're talking about
James James Garner. Well, James Garner was in the fan Okay,
So basically there's if you can go online now and
you can see some guy who's basically said, James Carner
really fucking hate Lauren Becall and his experience, Like, yeah,
(29:05):
that he was. He was known as a get along
kind of guy. He was fun and everybody loved him
and he loved everybody else. And he was just that
guy until he met Lauren Becall and Louren butcall, you know,
kind of stopped him in his tracks. And I think
that they quote him from his book and he's about
(29:26):
as subtle as as as you know, the nobody really
like like talk shit like I because nobody else does that,
you know, And so he did, you know, it was
it's his way of saying, you know, she made me
very uncomfortable. It seemed like the era left the room
(29:47):
when she came into the you know, I forget exactly
what the quotes were, but uh now, yeah, on YouTube,
you can look up the two of them and that'll
probably pop up. And thank god, finally somebody, somebody else,
you know, has opened their mouth about I knew that.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He had said that making the movie was a miserable
experience and he wasn't very happy.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, you know, you had he.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Had attributed it to her specifically, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You had told you had told me that, Jim, and
that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit, just
because you know, I didn't I didn't know that's what
he meant. I thought he meant like it was just
a bad movie, and I didn't want to it shouldn't
have been on this movie because it was a bad movie.
And it, Yeah, turned out it wasn't a very good movie,
mostly because Lauren but call so terrible in it as
(30:38):
far as you're concerned, and so gravelly voiced to have
talked about this before on the podcast, telling me Michael,
we might be in a little bit of trouble because
when I got that role, like everybody everybody in town,
I was I was the fan. The movie was called
The Fan. I was ty playing, role playing crazy and
(31:03):
it was a it was it was a big deal
and I was so happy that like Garner had and
they basically, uh were presuming a lot probably, but they
basically quoted him in his book talking about how uncomfortable
he was on the set and uh and uh working
(31:27):
working with her. You know, Marine Stapleton was on that set.
That's the story before on the elevator.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I remember you telling me something about the director wanted
to it, got a couple of cakes from Garner and
then wanted another one, and Garner said Garner wouldn't do it.
He said, no, you got it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah yeah, Well Garner would know at that point you
got it. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, No, Garner would know
for sure. And uh, but it was just kind of
a it was kind of like nice to see that, uh,
you know, somebody else. And I I've always you know,
wondered why she was so uh bitter, and uh, I've
(32:13):
come to my own uh uh idea that I just
you know, back in the day when she was hanging
around with Bogart and Spencer Tracy and Catherine Hepburn and
she's hanging out with John Houston.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
He's the one who coined the term rat pack, right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I think we mentioned this, but but her group was
not Sinatra in those guys. Her group. Her group was
Betty Davis. And you know that that group of people
were like extraordinary talented, extraordinary the talent of that time
(33:00):
what would have been like the forties and fifties, forties,
and you know, and then you know, she married Bogart
and uh it's interesting how some people, it seems, uh,
get crucified for having an affair and breaking up a marriage, uh,
(33:27):
and other people just kind of seemed to slide because
you know Bogart was married. I believe when he you know,
anybody knows anything different than this, please let me know.
Because the way that I the way that I've always
understood the situation was Bogart was married and then he
(33:49):
met her, and then she said, just you know, put
your lips together and whistle Steve, you know, out of
whistle right and uh and love. That was the end
of his marriage, and that was the beginning of their relationship.
And she was with him until he and I think
she was all of what nineteen, yes, yes, yes, and
(34:12):
he would have been what fifty forty? Maybe I think
he was closer to forty Okay, okay, okay, well he
you know, you know, and I've always felt that maybe
she was the way that she was basically because I
(34:33):
just don't think she was a very good actress. She
just wasn't very I mean, name like, like, where has
Lourene Pcall ever been in a movie where you went like, wow,
that is a performance? I mean, how many how many
Academy Award nominations did Lorne Becall get? I haven't gotten
any either, so much I shouldn't be talking, but you know,
(34:57):
she was hanging around and she got lots and lots
some opportunities, and I think what probably happened with her
is she's sort of like she was so much younger
than that group of people who, like you said, were
all in their forties.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
And then she was twenty five years younger than Bogie.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay, And she earned her first Academy Award for Best
Supporting Actress at age seventy two, which she was widely
expected to win, but lost to Juliet Binoche for The
English Patient And what.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Was what was she in trying to look for that
she was nominated? Then? Yeah, oh god, I'm glad wouldn't
want to have been her driver on the way home
from the Academy Awards that night. Uh. That was.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
The Mirror Has Two Faces?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
She was nominated for The Mirror Has Two Faces. Yeah, okay,
well that sounds like one of those things that like
you've been hanging her long enough.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
She was in John Wayne's last movie, The Shoot Is Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She was which was who directed that? Jim Was? I
love that movie? Ron Howard who directed it?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, Well, you know it was a good movie, Ron Howard.
She's like that in the fan and she's always kind
of like grumpy and kind of mean spirited and like nasty,
and you know that's how she kind of wasn't supposed
to be.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Like Don Siege, Yeah, who was a real kind of
classy director from the original Invasion of the Body Snatcher.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It had jim it had like another famous actor played
the doctor that really James Stewart. James Stewart. James Stewart
was was in that movie. The scene between him and
James Stewart. James Stewart basically he comes to the doctor.
When we first meet his character, he's like riding on
(36:58):
a horse and he's he's he sits on a pad
like a pillow. It's on his horse and then kind
of like wondering like, well, what what's sir John Wayne
and sitting on a pillow, you know. And so pretty
early on in the movie, he goes in to see
a doctor and uh uh. He goes in to see
Jimmy Stewart, and Jimmy Stewart like basically looks him over
(37:23):
and tells him he's got cancer and he doesn't have
that long to live, and uh uh. Then he leaves
and then this story moves on and there's a big
gun fight a little bit like The Unforgiven at the
end of it. You know, but I like that movie,
(37:43):
you know.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I liked Stuart and John Wayne had been in a
classic movie called The Man Who Shot Liberty Ballance, so
it was sort of like, you know, these these two
iconic Western figures meeting up again, you know, and John
Wayne plays a guy who's dying in the movie, and
(38:04):
in fact, he died not long after the movie was made,
so the scene has a certain element of poignancy to it,
kind of knowing the background of these two actors as well.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
What is the What is the Western? I saw recently
that had a Gregory Peck who is a gunfighter who's
haunted sort of from the past because he's a gun
But it reminds me a little bit of The Unforgiven, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You think it's probably called The Gunfighter.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
The Gunfighter, And yeah, he dies at the end of
the movie. He dies. It's it's kind of a it's
a it's a it's a good, really really good movie.
And there's a young gunslinger type of kid that he
right before he dies said you know, I drew first
(38:53):
or something like that to let this kid off because
he knows what the kids got, you know whatever. But
I if that is the Gunfighter.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, well there's a there's a character named Ringo that
apparently runs all the way through the movie The Gunfighter,
only he's a Jimmy Ringo.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well that's that's the character that he that he played,
Is that right? I believe? So? Did he play play?
Can take a look?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah. And Ringo is I've I've said before.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, probably think it's cast as Jimmy Ringo. Yeah, that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, and Ringo is you know, you hear his name
a lot when it comes to Westerns and there. I'm
sure that I've done this one before too. But when
I was twelve or thirteen a song became a hit
for about a week called Ringo. He lay face down
(39:53):
in the desert sand, clutching his six gun in his hand,
shot from behind. We thought he was dead under his
heartland ounce of lead.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Song by a TV actor who talks most of the song.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Lord Green, Yes, who had his own Western Uh yeah,
Banza bonanza. It's a talking song. Yeah, yeah, Ringo. Yeah,
I remember that, Yeah, Yeah, I liked it. I liked
that song.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I remember the song.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I can still.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
You know, I don't remember the lyrics as well as
you do, obviously, but they sound familiar and I can
hear the music you know that goes with it. That
the company.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's Lorn Green sort of just talking this
way through it, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure it's available on YouTube
and you have to look it up. What what are you?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And the name of that Gregory pect movie. That's a
great movie, by the way, that's the Gunfighter who directed The.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Gunfighter named Henry King. Okay, I don't know, it's too
well regarded movie.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Also just a fun fact in the shootest Ron Howard
was also in them.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mentioned earlier, and right at that point
where Ron is starting to transition. I think he directed
a movie not long after that for Roger Corman, so
he's just in.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
My dust, right, it wasn't yeah my dust. Yeah. And
then he did Beatle Beatle Jews after.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
That, No, no, no, never did that, he did.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I think he did night night Shift.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I think he did night Shift.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, and then of course he did Splash And that's
what splash. Splash is what made him what made him
and Ron and oh you know, the the guys they.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Were but but but.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Night Shift was the first real feature that he did
for Alan.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, okay, what other whatever other?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Another another John Houston movie I would put on. There
is The Man Who Would Be King? Have you ever
seen that?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I've seen that, Jim and I you know, I uh,
you know, I I can watch that movie over.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'd watch it right now.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Sean Connery and Michael and that. You know, that is
a really wonderful movie, and they've got a great relationship
and and I there's something about that movie that, like
my simple brain just can't wrap itself around, as as
well as other movies like Gandhi for instance, which is
(42:31):
kind of an old period piece sort of same you know, uh,
which I loved and Amedeus, you know, which I loved.
And Yeah, if I told the story about Thomas Hols
meeting Thomas Holst sover in Prague.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
No, you mentioned meeting him when you were doing uh,
Martyrdom of San Sebastian, but you you didn't really talk
too much about Thomas's work on the day, so he
was making at the same time.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Well, we were staying well we're in Prague. It was
a it was a communist country at that.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Time and still in the Iron curtain.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, And I was doing that sort of gay version
of Saint Sebastian that we've talked about a little bit before.
When you go to IMDb and you go on the
page like the highest, like the highest numbers that I get,
like better than Aliens and Terminator and stuff. But these
two things that I did for this gay director over overseas,
(43:46):
one which I think he shot without the other studio
even knowing that he did it. And I didn't quite
realize how gay it was until I got older and
people kept sitting the pictures.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Were start showing up on the internet coming back on.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, yeah, you know, I'll tell you another movie that
really tracks gay men is The Fan. I'm not suret make.
Maybe it's is Laura McAll and they got some idea lauramacall.
But usually if somebody wants an autograph, uh, and it
has anything to do with the Fan, I'm like, Uh,
I think I've even said it before. You're gay, right,
(44:22):
that seems to be Uh. What was I talking about before?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I thought I was telling the story about meeting Oh yeah,
thumbas holes and so so anyway, uh, he's shooting Amideis
and uh, I'm shooting this other thing and we're staying
at the hotel. What is it called, not the Continental,
something like the American Hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.
(44:51):
And I'm telling him back then Prague was like horrible,
like bread breadlines, and during the day you'd see hollorless colorless, ugly.
I remember the director used to always say to me,
always say to me, but he said to me, like,
you know, when you're in Prague, always look up, look up,
(45:12):
meaning look at the architecture because uh uh, Prague was
not bombed during World War two, so you know, the
churches and you know, like everything is intact and it's
a beautiful place. But if you look down, you see,
you know, there's something about times that I have been
(45:36):
in communist countries. It's the same way when when I
was in Russia, Like it's just something dull, it's taken
out of people. It's really like like just not a
lot of laughs, you know, not a lot of not
a lot of smiles, not a lot of like it's
(45:57):
you're really kind of ugly. But anyway, so so so anyway,
we're staying in the Inn Continental I think it was
called We're staying in the same hotel, and every once
in a while, you know, we'd get together and actually
we smoke a little pot. I don't remember how or
where or whatever. And we did it with a girl
who played his uh girlfriend in the movie. And she
(46:20):
replaced somebody that broke her foot. There was a there
was Meg. There was another actress that that broke her
foot who was supposed to play that role, and so
this other girl was the last minute replacement. But anyway,
they were shooting that with Milo's foreman, and you.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Know, I didn't I who had done one flow with
the Cuckoo's Nest and the movie.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, yeah, And I didn't, you know, Jim, I was.
I don't know how old I was, but I didn't know.
I didn't know that Milo's foreman had done one flu.
I didn't even know if ever had never seen one
flu of the Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But people have asked on the podcast before, like what
movies you know, when you were growing up, what movies
influenced you, you know, when you were a kid or whatever,
And like, I didn't go to movies you know, I
thats just was not part of the I mean, we
would go occasionally, we would go to a movie. I
(47:16):
think my parents took me to see Cat on a
Hunting Roof on my twelfth birthday or something like that.
But we would we would go to the what do
you call the outdoor movies, the uh, the drive and
we used to go to the drive in movies all
the time. But you know, I was like eight, ten, nine, eleven, twelve,
I didn't was painting any attention to that, you know,
(47:40):
running around looking for little girls.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
When you turned seventeen, then you went to the drive
and you weren't watching the movie at all.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well we you know, and by the time there was
by the time I was seven seventeen, I had already
moved to Arizona and there there were no drive ins
in the area that I lived in. That was just
something that I remember. I was kid. I didn't grow
up watching movies. I didn't grow up I remember seeing
Lenny when I was very young because I was in
Chicago and my aunt was very artsy and she and
(48:10):
that's anyway, so anyway, getting back to Thomas Holst, is
that Thomas Hulst started coming back and you know, get
together and talk and smoke a little pot or whatever
and talk. And at one point he started bitching to me.
(48:32):
You know, I'm bitching you. Listen. He's I'm sure he's
a wonderful guy. I don't mean anything other than he's
a wonderful guy and a wonderful actor, and he's brilliant
in the movie and everything. But he was complaining to
me about the fact that he had had lunch, and
he was having lunch and somebody made him laugh and
(48:55):
he laughed out loud, and Milo's foreman said, I'm gonna
you know, I didn't say to him at that moment,
but said, like that laugh. I want that laugh in
the movie. And they He was complaining to me that
(49:17):
every scene that he did, Milo's foreman was making him
do this laugh, this kind of crazy laugh.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, it almost a maniacal laugh.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
And he didn't like it. I mean, he didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
He made him look juvenile, it made him look lightweight.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well was the point of it.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Well, I can see why he'd give a little grouse
about it. That's because he does do it a lot
in the movie. I can It's funny to hear you
say this.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Well. The thing about it, though, Jim, is that's when
you think about that, when you think about Ama daeis
when you think about the character, the first thing that
you think about is that laughed. That laughed, yeah of course, yeah,
you know, and that really cements him as kind of
this free juvenile, like crazy, but like just free loving,
(50:08):
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, wild spirited, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was you know
interesting that I remember that, you know, back in the day,
back when he was shooting it, and he was just
a kid too. He's my age, and he was just
he was very very young. Yeah, but he was not
he was not he was not about that laugh at
all at the time he was shooting it. You know.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It's so funny because that is what he's best remembered
for in that movie.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Well, I think he's best remembered. Wait, what other movies
that Thomas Holst dud An Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
You know he'd done that a few years before. I think,
kind of an innocent college kid.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Ah, there's a character named Solary so solarious yeah yeah, yeah,
was Abraham. Yeah, that's what I thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,
uh yeah, and that was you know, we shot I
was shooting one thing in progue and that they were
shooting something else and uh, uh have you gotten up
(51:14):
to five? Have you gotten up to five yet? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, that was fine.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I was born. I well, I was thinking Jim Moore
about uh, you know when I was asking, you know,
people ask me like, what's your what's your favorite movie?
What's what's your favorite movie? People ask me that quite
a bit, And it's very hard for me to say
this movie, but I do have a favorite movie because
(51:42):
it affected my life in a way that made me say, oh,
I need to take my ship a little bit more seriously.
And I think and uh, that was Taxi Driver.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Taxi Driver to me was soul changing experience where I
just like saw that performance and just thought that Robert
de Niro was just so perfect and not even knowing
(52:20):
at the time how good Harvey Kaititew was and how good.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
I hadn't seen on Mean Streets yet, but I remember
being dazzled by the way the movie was made, just
the directing of it, just the way he was moving
the camera.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
And the music.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
The music. Bernard Herman, the guy who composed all of
of some many of Alfred Hitchcock's scores. Oh, such a
good died. I mean the movie is dedicated to herman
because he died. He died shortly after completing the school.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Was Jodie Foster twelve? Okay, Jon Foster. They're so wonderful
in it. And who's the other cab driver that takes
him out and gives it here boiled or boiled that
it's great stuff?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Is that other other cab? Yeah? But I'm not Bertrand Russell.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
What.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I have a cabby, you know, and I just don't
get laid, can't come on, you know, care up for
God's sake.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
One of the things.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, there's so many great moments in that movie. Again,
I just was so impressed with the way he directed
that movie, the way he cut it together. I mean,
he had some edits in there. I was scratching my
head when what the fuck was that all about? Like
when he's looking in the rear view mirror and adjusting it.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
And uh, and then he's in the he's in the
the he's walking out of the cab manager's office after
he gets hired, and the camera does like a three
sixty pan all the way around the cabby.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Uh garage, there's no particular reason to do that, but
you know, uh, and we certainly won't quote it on
this on on this podcast, but we were talking about
people who did one scene in a movie and just
like kind of stole it.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Now, he did not steal it. He didn't steal it
with his scene. But Marl Scorsese, you remember fucking good,
you remember he was pretty good? Yeah, what is what
is the name of the actor who plays the gun
salesman to the guy who sells the guns. I don't
(54:44):
know that.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
He was really an actor, just kind of a pal
that they knew. I don't think he was even cast
for the part, but they brought him in because the
actor who was going to play it was it suddenly
wasn't available.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It was a sweet little thing and then quick.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Can make he use it for hot elephants in Africa.
You can you can hear, you can hammered nails with
this all day long and center cut.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
On he was he was fucking.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Cadillag with the pink two thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
Uh, yeah, I'm seeing that.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
That's just one of Scorsese's friends named Prince Stephen Prince.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Okay, and Stephen, does Stephen Prince have any other credits
that he was.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I think they made a documentary.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
About him, about him really, yeah, other than than being
in that in that scene, was there something more about
Stephen Prince that was documentary worthy?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Jim, I don't know, as.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
He's looking it up. Yeah, that movie.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
The documentary is called American Boy, a profile of Stephen Prince.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Wow, Yeah, that's saying subject to Scorsese's friend, Stephen Frince,
known for a small role as easy Andy.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
The gun salesman and taxi driver.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Prince is a easy Andy. Yeah, boy, that was a
good movie. I mean every frame, every shot, every Uh
he's got that that thing too that you see every
once in a while. I haven't seen him for a
long time. I don't live in Hollywood anymore. But back
(56:27):
in the day, you know, you'd be at night, it'd
be at night, you'd be walking down the street and
it's just some crazy motherfuger just got damn motherfucker, just
got god damn much Christian I'll kill them, motherfucker got damn.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
You don't walk out.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Just to see that. Quite quite often he had that guy.
He had that guy in the movie, and uh, oh man,
what a what a what a what a great movie,
what a great movie. You know.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
He also shows up. He doesn't have any he doesn't
say a word, but he's sitting on kind of a
the front step of the office. When uh, de Niro
goes into the office to meet Betsy for the first time,
Sybil shepherds yes, and she's in that campaign office sitting
right outside.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Hitchcock did a Hitchcock Hitchcock moved there, Yeah, right right right? Yeah.
That that that that that to me is is uh
and we've looked this up before about what won the
Academy Award that year. But that's a that's a movie
that that should have won the Academy. You know. Usually
(57:43):
people always say to me, like Val Kilmer should have
been nominated for And I think that'd be interesting to
find out who was nominated for Best Supporting Actor because
I think it was the same year as Schindler's List
and and uh guy, uh, well I'm talking well, I'm
(58:05):
talking about the Best Supporting Actor. The year that came out,
uh was ninety three, So I don't know ninety four
Academy Awards or whatever what. Because people always say to me,
vou should have wanted to an Oscar should have won
an oscar, should have gotten nominated, But I thought I
remember it at one point in my life like looking
(58:26):
back and going, oh, that.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Was the king you're thinking of from Schindler's List.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
No, no, no, no, it's the bad guy the find Yeah,
Ray Fines. Ray Fines, I think was nominated that year,
and he was like that movie. That's that I was
going to talk about, like kind of a top five
and that movie is in my top five movies. I'm
(58:56):
gonna I'm I would maybe put it at number five,
but I you know, that's that I was going to
get to that. And I absolutely adore that movie everything
about it. It is just a phenomenal movie that that's
(59:16):
one that I can watch over and over again. And
even though subject matter is so brutal and so horrifying,
I just again, the filmmaking is like just untouchable, and
(59:37):
you know, like I love that.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
There's a fascinating story behind the book came about the
guy who wrote it as a fellow named Thomas Kanneely,
who had written a book called The cant of Jimmy
Blacksmith that a director named Pred Skepsky made into a movie.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Around nineteen eighty so Knneely was from Australia. He came
to Beverly Hills to take some meetings on this movie,
and he was staying at the Beverly Wilshire and he
went into a little luggage shop nearby and was buying
a briefcase. And the fellow he was buying the briefcase
from was a Holocaust survivor who said, oh, you're a writer,
(01:00:19):
you should know about this guy, Oscar Schindler. And a
couple of years later and to Neely had a long
conversation with this leather goods owner store owner and actually
wound up taking a lot of this guy's research, some
of the stuff this guy had compiled and wrote the
books in There's List. And then Spielberg optioned the book
(01:00:41):
as soon as it was released sometime around nineteen eighty
two or three. And it took ten years to get
a screenplay for that. It took a lot of people
worked on it. It was really a tough one until
Steve's Alien finally came up with the one that was shot.
I've only really seen it once and I should go
see it again, I know, but it was so impactful
(01:01:02):
and I can understand why you know why you had
the why it had the impact on you that it did.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, all, just all. I kind of would want to
talk about each one of these a little bit, a
little bit longer, about an hour now. But I my
in my top five. I it's it's hard for me
(01:01:35):
to decide. But like the second movie after Taxi Driver
that I think is just astonishingly brilliant in every frame.
It is Godfather Part two. Now, Godfather Part one obviously
is pretty fucking amazing also, it's just like but both
(01:01:58):
of them. But the thing I like, I guess so
much about Godfather Part two it's just like you get
not only Paccino, but you get DeNiro also. I mean,
of course the other one had a brand Brando in it,
but you know anyway, that's that's that's my that's that's
(01:02:24):
that's my When I said my second, second, second, yeah,
and then I've always liked I've always thought, uh one,
Flu of the Cuckoo's Nest was a movie that was
just brilliant in every way.
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I would love to see that again.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
It's you know, Jack Nichols, but everybody is just so
good in it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
And you remember that it was one of those movies
like U Silent for the Lambs, where the movie swept
all top five OSCAR Awards Picture Director, Screenplay, Actor, Actress.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Like you said earlier, Milo's Foreman.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
It was Michael Douglass produced it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, and you know, just because this dad got grew
too old to yea, his father had purchased the rights
when the book came out ten years earlier, fifteen years
almost fifteen years earlier. Yeah, we talked about that a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Another one that I uh, you know that I would
put after One Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest. Uh. I
just love this movie. It's Cool Hand Luke, Cool Hand
Luke to me is just a fucking perfect movie. And uh,
(01:03:55):
Paul Newman is just so so so good at it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I would I would second that for sure, absolutely one
of my favorites. I can watch that if it were
to come on right now, I would watch it again.
And and there's some great actors in that that went
on to you know, pretty established careers. Dennis Hopper is
in it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Well, Dennis Hopper actually doesn't have a line in the movie.
I mean you might maybe hear him chattering in the background,
but there's never a shot of him talking, so you know,
he probably had a few lines and they got cut
out or whatever. But uh, yeah, No, there's there's some
that that movie is. Wow, that movie is. There's an
(01:04:43):
there's an actor in that who who is a director
and he directed me in the movie that we talked about,
Caitlin that when you were born, I was in in
uh uh not Arizona, uh, Texas. I was down in Texas.
(01:05:05):
It was originally I get him mixed up because there's
originally time for killing. I think it's called a place
for killing, a time for killing, something like that. Lou Antonio,
that's his name, Lou Antonio. I don't know if you
remember him. He was an actor who was in that movie?
Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
What does he play? One of the one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, one of the one of the inmates, one of
the inmates because there was some interesting guard the guy
the sunglasses? Who was that? Who was that that?
Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I don't remember that because he never speaks.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I know, I know, yeah, I know, I know, but
it's he makes a you know, makes quite an impression
on you. Shaking it off, now, boss, shaking it off,
shaking off, bos shaking it off. Morgan Woodward is who
is that name of that that that guy who plays the.
Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Guard Ward the silent menacing mirrored glass.
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Bloss Yeah, that would be the guy that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Is is Luke ask you? Uh listed, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Cast I just yeah, yeah, I just he played he
plays what the guard What the Guard does talk all
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
It has a shotgun in his hand. He's you see
him in showing up in a lot of movies stam
Peck and Palm movies, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Anyway, that's that's that's kind of my that's my top five.
Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I think you just gave four.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I did just get four.
Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Taxi driver, one floor of the Cucko's Nest, cool hand,
Luke godfather too. And then I mean you said Schindler's
List earlier?
Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Is that you're five?
Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you know, And you know,
you can turn around and talk to me a month
from now and I'll go, fuck, how did I forget?
And you know what recently him I've seen only in
the last three or four years. Uh. And you know
one flu of the Cuckoo's Nest was so good. It
(01:07:09):
was Jack Nicholson, you know, being so good. But you know,
I didn't realize how f and good. The last detail
was that also that that performance, and uh, that movie.
That's a great, great movie. And Jack Nicholson is absolutely
(01:07:35):
stunningly good in that movie. And Randy quaid is is
so much fun in that movie. The black actor I
don't remember, lead, Odishon Hings, died.
Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Not long after the movie was made, which wouldn't surprise
me because yeah, which is like a said, why you
don't hear more about him or no more of him?
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I'm saying Otis Young died in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah, no, then that's not that's yeah, I was wrong
about that then. But I mean, and it's kind of
a downer subject matter.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I know, it's it's very it's very downer, and it
ends in a downer way. I mean, it's a movie
that ends not in an uplifting way, but it is
the kind of you kind of know when you're watching
the movie that it has to end that way. Yeah,
(01:08:36):
I think so. Somehow it doesn't do what Zavi Jen's
did with The Divide. You know, you know, everybody's fighting
to get out of this hole and finally this one
woman makes it out and everybody else is dead and
she comes out and there's there's nothing nothing left, just like, well,
(01:08:59):
not all about the stick is like how like what
what was the other one that? Uh, the other one
where what's your name plays a drug addict and uh,
your mother hated it so much she's always talking about
crashing her car afterwards. Uh yeah, Heroin Addicts, Yeah, Heroin
Addict and uh yeah, uh a dream Requeen, Yeah, all
(01:09:23):
that one.
Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, that's a jittery movie to watch. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I always call things requiem for a dreamersh you know,
it's a little requiem for a dreamers for me, you know,
but I like that kind of stuff really well. By
the way, I wanted to talk about something that, Uh, okay,
(01:09:49):
are we going to do another hour? We're gonna do
one tomorrow, so we can we do it now? If
you got more stuff to talk about tomorrow? I mean, oh,
you want to just do the whole thing right now,
a whole hour. Just keep going and then you can
cut it in half.
Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Yeah, I got I have to I have to be somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Okay, remind me the next time the next podcast. Remind
me to talk about Gary Oldman's film that he directed,
which is called Uh Without Mouth. With now Mouth. No,
not no, neil by Mouth, It's called neil by Mouth.
(01:10:30):
Fucking brilliant, just an and also like Northern London. And
you know who's the star of that movie? Uh, the
the actor Ray. I think it's Ray something or just
just Ray Winston.
Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Just oh wow, Really.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Jim, if you've never seen that movie and why people
don't talk? And again that's a dark Gray Winston.
Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I mean, I love sexy beast and you know, I mean,
I'm not crazy, but he's very good, isn't it So well?
Not certainly watch any movie with him in it. And
Gary Oldman I think it's just fabulous. Yeah yeah, well Gary,
I've said before, anybody who can play Sid dishes in
Winston Churchill and Mail both es. You know that's an
(01:11:16):
actor for me.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So yeah, he wrote it to you, He wrote it. Yes,
somehow something feels kind of biographical you know about that?
And that movie is powerful. It is a powerful movie.
And I'm surprised that when people talk about Gary Oldman
they don't mention that more often. But yeah, I'll go
(01:11:39):
look that up.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
It is a very Jim and then we'll talk about
it tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
That's my assignment.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I got it all right, all right, so thank you for.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
What time are we rolling the world?
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Eleven?
Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
All right? Ah, jim see at eleven now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
With a strange pigin shoe?
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Which hand would you choose.
Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
To wipe away? A deer crow to your way barn?
That old bella? How would you look about someone dirtier
than you are? During me?
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Why don't you let a meat carry on without shoe?
Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Won't you see you dre
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