July 28, 2025 • 69 mins
In this week’s first episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, we take a deep dive into the world of cinema, delving into the careers and remarkable roles of actors like Sean Connery, Gary Oldman, David Thewlis, and more. We discuss notable directors such as Sidney Lumet, Milos Forman, and their influential films, including 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,' 'The Verdict,' 'Naked,' and 'Man on the Moon.' The conversation also touches on the era between 1967-1977, considered a golden age of American cinema, highlighting films like 'The Graduate,' 'The Godfather,' 'Bonnie and Clyde,' and 'Apocalypse Now.'
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:35 AI and the Writer's Guild
07:59 James Cameron’s Move to New Zealand
11:13 Nuclear Threats and Safe Zones
22:17 Gary Oldman and Acting Versatility
27:46 Mike Leigh's Cinematic Masterpieces
33:37 Hollywood Gossip and Fun Facts
37:27 Joanne Whalley and the Profumo Scandal
40:00 Tommy Lee Jones vs. Jim Carrey
44:50 Benicio del Toro's On-Set Injury
49:23 Miloš Forman's Filmography
56:00 Sidney Lumet and Sean Connery Collaborations
01:06:03 Reflecting on the Golden Age of Cinema
01:07:56 Conclusion
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:35 AI and the Writer's Guild
07:59 James Cameron’s Move to New Zealand
11:13 Nuclear Threats and Safe Zones
22:17 Gary Oldman and Acting Versatility
27:46 Mike Leigh's Cinematic Masterpieces
33:37 Hollywood Gossip and Fun Facts
37:27 Joanne Whalley and the Profumo Scandal
40:00 Tommy Lee Jones vs. Jim Carrey
44:50 Benicio del Toro's On-Set Injury
49:23 Miloš Forman's Filmography
56:00 Sidney Lumet and Sean Connery Collaborations
01:06:03 Reflecting on the Golden Age of Cinema
01:07:56 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order to say.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That won't don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as I they will do one time stop.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Days, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
God?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Are you too scared? You shouldn't have sent me? You
shouldn't You shouldn't have sent me that podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Now I got all kinds of things to worry about,
Like I don't have enough in my life, you know,
I gotta worry about somebody smuggling a nuclear bomb into
an Iranian facility and blowing it up and the world wondering.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Who caused that? And there are some really scary nightmare
scenarios those people go through. Uh I I did sort
of skip ahead a little bit, and I think I
found a conversation about about what the future polls in
terms of liberation of nuclear weapons, and how small these
(01:03):
things can be, and all the different ways they can
be dispensed. They don't even have to be They can
be dirty bombs, like you were talking about the kind
of damage it can be done. And it really is
kind of a nightmare scenario when you consider how many
different you know, when when there are that many ways
something can go wrong, the rules of Murphy's Law dictates it. Yeah, eventually,
(01:26):
it will go wrong somewhere, you know, it just seems
to be a matter of time.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Uh yeah. And what Gim's talking about is the fact
that yesterday when I got home, I you know, I
started looking at a podcast and it was an it
was it was about Ai. Oh, by the way, I
(01:53):
just wanted to say, you know, that whole idea I
was talking about him, it's like pretty poison Like, hey,
you know, just have a I kind of you know,
throw out the structure for me and like I take
a look at that and the styles and yeah, and
then you know, like make it as much like pretty
poisonous as possible. But don't you know, infringe on any
(02:14):
copyright and let's change the names and okay, spit something
back to me. And I look at it and start saying,
well this, you know, I'll write a screenplay. And I didn't.
Maybe I was being a little bit insensitive to the
Writer's Guild of America. You hear something, No, No, I
(02:35):
didn't hear anything. Uh, although I did hear something that
bay Logan kind of uh yeah, yeah, but anyway, I
if I called bay Logan a I didn't. If I
call him a gopher, he obviously wasn't. He worked for
(02:56):
Harvey Weinstein, and I meant the first movie that I
was working with him on, he just seemed to be
assigned to me because first of all, he could speak
English and nobody else speak English because we were in
Hong Kong and it's at that you know, nobody spoke English.
And if I you know, I didn't mean to call
(03:16):
him that. And anyway, I didn't direct that movie. That's
the point I was trying to make use. I didn't
direct that movie, and I never I never really had
any I always liked him anyway. Uh what was I
talking about? Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well that that that conversation that you forwarded to me
this morning of that podcast of those people talking about
nuclear weapons. I think they start talking about AI and
then they.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well you're talking about the writers Guild.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get back that in the
second gym. But yes, I felt that after we had
done the podcast, maybe on the way home yesterday, I
just kind of said to myself, well, maybe this is
what the rights or you know, this is why they
went on strike because they didn't want people like me
(04:07):
taking their jobs, not not that I can take their
jobs or not that I'm in a position to get
anything made or anything else. But I realized it might
be a little bit insensitive, and so maybe I'll put
that idea of of of seeing what AI can do
with a script on hold or uh.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, I'm sure it's happening already.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well that's what. Yeah, that's the thing about AI putting.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A genie back in the bottle on that one.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I know, I know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Apologize for speculating about something that's no doubt happening as
we as we as we.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Speak, yes, and I uh, it just seems that every
day there's a new wrinkle, there's a new something, and
one of the uh, you know, there are there are
some people that say, well, there are some people that
(05:04):
are optimistic about what we can do with AI, and
there's other people that are that are pessimistic and both
and some people that are both like like, I feel like,
obviously it's gonna you don't you know, do a lot
of great things for the world. And obviously if it's
used the wrong way, I could do a lot of
terrible things. If if if if if if it's up
(05:25):
to man and mankind to make those type of decisions
down the line, you know, it's gonna go fucking south.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We don't have a great track.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have a terrible track record, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That doing the same thing over again and expecting a
different result. Yeah, that's kind of us.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I just don't. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't.
I just don't see it. I Uh, I thought it
was sort of interesting, uh when uh, this is a
a podcast that I watched that a woman by the
name of uh put my glasses on here. I can't
(06:12):
even read my I want to say, uh, Jacobson, Annie Jacobson, uh.
And guy the name of Benjamin rat Rad who's Iranian
and left Iran like right when the Shaw came in.
He was very These guys are also e f and
(06:32):
smart too. There's oh yeah God, and this guy Andrew
Bustamenta or whatever he is. And then the podcast is
called Diary of a CEO, and you know, like it's
got like five million people watching it, so it's probably
been around for a while. But I think I first
(06:54):
started watching something about AI on that channel. When I
was done watching that AI, this popped up, Jim that
I sent you, and I was just like, you know,
so sort of involved in AI and what can get
(07:14):
go wrong with AI that I you know, kind of
forgot all about nukes. I know, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I know Annie Jacob since she was on Rogan, Yeah,
and that she had written a book about nuclear war.
And I remember starting to listen to that episode and
I got about twenty minutes in and I was like,
I can't listen to this anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was yeah, really, what's the point?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well it is, well, it's it is. It is scary.
And when you hear the three of them talking about it,
there's not very much optimism that goes on. But you
know Jim Cameron who was quoted in that article of AI,
(08:04):
and he said, only I'm using it, you know, make
the movies, uh, lower budget because we can use it
that way. You know, I don't know, I think Jim
probably First of all, Jim moved from Malibu. We had
two houses in Malibu. He had a whole compound up there. Lightstorm.
(08:24):
His company is is here in town, just south of
the are for not Redundo beat Manhattan Beach, and uh,
you know, he just picked up and fucked off to
New Zealand, and I've never really said to Jim, like
why News Zealand, Jim, why why why? Why why New Zealand?
(08:51):
And When I was listening to this podcast, New Zealand
seemed to be one of the well and they mentioned
kind of Australia, you too, but New Zealand seemed to
be one of the places that if there was a
what do you call it when they have a fully
nuclear event, which now like they say it takes like
thirty three seconds or yeah, you know, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They talk about that in the podcast. I think a
little bit about safe zones or yeah there are only
a couple of them in the world. Yeah, yeah, that
won't get like like Hawaii ain't one of them.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah yeah, because somebody kept mentioning Hawaiian. She kept saying, like, no, no.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Not too many targets. There to many, you know, Earl Harbor,
for God's sake, it's still navy base. Yeah, yeah, it's
going to get targeted for sure. But I wouldn't be
surprised if if New Zealand. I mean, that's the premise
of an old movie on the Beach, you know, from
back in the sixties, about a nuclear Holocaust in New
Zealand about the only place left really really yeah yeah yeah,
(09:58):
that old, old old movie On the Beach, well maybe
old Holocaust movies from the sixties. It was one of
them Holocaust movie. Well, I mean, there wasn't a whole
Doctor Strange was in that hole genre, they'll say, in
the Bedford Incident and a bunch of old old movies
from from that era, and On the Beach was was
(10:22):
one of the better known ones.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, that's that's nineteen fifty nine, so just before. But yeah,
Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner, Anthony Perkins.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Uh we directed it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
If you Stanley Kramer, there you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Go, oh, there you go? Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Why oh he was, he was, he was. He made
sort of politically motivated a lot of kind of politically
motivated movies like Judgment at Nuremberg.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I love Inherit to Win.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh he made Inheritor Win too, and great great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah yeah, So you know, political issues, social issues, those
kinds of things were very much a subject matter for
a period there, and On the Beach would fit right
in that period socially minded movies, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, I understand, Like there now, I understand where
you said, Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Uh, getting back to Jim and the fact that he
lives in New Zealand, Now, Jim is uh always I
think thinking ahead of the curve, and uh, I have
a feeling that not only does he live in New Zealand,
(11:49):
but I believe that Jim and I have no idea
because I did not talk to him about it, but
I believe and I wouldn't even ask him this or
I wouldn't even him to answer this if when he
comes on the podcast, is I believe that he's got
like a shelter.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was going to say, probably a compound of some
kind of self sufficient.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about underground. That's what
I mean. A bunker. I'm telling you if I know
Jim Campmon. Here just to give you an example of
the way that Jim's mind works. I can remember a
(12:31):
birthday that I had and Jim was has always have
been very good at remembering birthdays and you know, cards
on Christmas, and he's just always always been very good
at like sort of staying in touch and knowing when
your birthday is and mine's coming up. Jim, I know
(12:56):
it's part of your email.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And but I can remember the gifts that he would
give me and the gifts that I got from Jim.
I remember one time, like you know, on my birthday,
it was like Jim sent over something. It was like
a big package and I thought like, oh my god,
(13:26):
like what could this possibly be? And I opened it
up and it was like this huge bag. It was
like a survival bag. So like if there was a hurricane,
I mean hurricane you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Were going to looking for Clinton's bone, you could take
that with you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, more like Jim if there was an earthquake in
Los Angeles. You know, this thing had all the medical stuff.
It had you know, the the lighters, the matches that
like it was like a big survival kid. And you
(14:11):
know that's just the way that his brain works. And
I I would be shocked if Jim doesn't have some
underground bunker, you know, uh for himself, because when I
hear the guy's talking about uh, nuclear dirty bombs and
(14:37):
all this sort of stuff on this podcast. I mean
it's you know, the one guy that was a very
attractive guy. I think it was in the UH. I
think he's got a military background. This Andro Boston, Manta.
You know, he's taking his families, like leaving wherever he's
(15:01):
he's living now, he's taking them and he's leaving because
he's been so close to uh and probably a combination
of of AI and uh uh and in the nuclear
go ahead, he.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Did people who handle nuclear weapons are really scared to
death about them. People really close to how they actually
operate work.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And he was he was one of those guys sitting
in those bunkers in Omaha, Nebraska or wherever.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, figure on the button, the key in the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The same guy. He's a former covert CIA intelligence officer
and US Air Force combat veteran.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah. I mean, he got's a stud and he you know,
he's he's he's like I don't know if he's like
disappearing off the grid completely, but he's he's concerned enough
that he's taking his family and uh moving Anyway, I
thought that was I I was just fascinated by how
(16:11):
smart those three people were and how, for instance, the
leaders of other countries putin maybe once or twice Trump
maybe once or twice. They just mentioned him kind of
off handed, like the name just kind of came up.
But it's almost like that really didn't make any different,
(16:34):
you know, like I had nothing to do with the
conversations about how nuclear war would start or a dirty
bomb would be in a jim, I think I was
trying to explain to you, and what I was getting
is that, like, explain that scenario one more time where
they were talking about a dirty dirty bomb in Iran.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well, he said, they don't the Ranians don't need to
rich uranium beyond where they have to make a dirty bomb.
And a dirty bomb would be nothing more than a
bomb that a regular bomb that goes off but spread
a radioactive cloud all over a city and would cause
(17:17):
enormous damage. It would enormous damage to people because of
the radiation. It wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily, you know, cause
much damage to structures, but it would. It would put
this lethal cloud of radiation out into the atmosphere that
would cause enormous, enormous suffering and death. That's just one scenario.
(17:41):
And that's and they already have uranium and rich to
that level. And then and then when it comes to
nuclear weapons themselves, there's so many, there's such a variety
of them. What they were talking about the strategic versus tactical.
They can, they can. They can have like a fifty
pound mom you could put on a drone. You can
(18:01):
put a nuke on a drone. You can put them
in the back of a truck. If you ignite him
in the atmosphere, you cause one kind of damage. To
ignite them at at ground level, a different kind of damage.
The range of device is available is it's so there's
such a proliferation. These these fellows seem to be saying
(18:23):
that it's almost inevitable, but one's going to get you
somewhere along the line. Yeah, they were speculating about theoretically
the Israelis could smuggle a small tactical device into an
Iranian facility and set it off, and once that device
is set off, it's pretty immediately detectable.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
We'll know, we'll know very quickly if anybody's setting off
any nuclear devices anywhere in the world. And if we
detect that there's a nuclear device set off in Iran
and the Iranians, are we going to believe the Iranians
when they say we didn't do it?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You don't even believe the Israelis. And they said we
didn't do it, you know, So, yeah, you can. You
can set off one of those things, and and and
there's no real accountability for it. If if somebody fires
it off on the missile, like the Russians launched on
it US, for example, we'd know within a couple of
seconds of the launch that the Russians had launched a
missile and it was coming our way. So and then
(19:21):
if if it detonated, we can pretty well determined. Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
One of the things I thought it was sort of interesting,
Gym was and you probably because you only you didn't
have very much time with it. But they were talking
about how Putin has now used an ICBM. Is that
you know, like that like for the first time ever.
He shot one of those things into uh Ukraine. But
(19:52):
it was empty, I mean it was didn't have a
fucking nuclear warhead.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
They might be talking about our hyper sonic missiles.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
This is the first time this has ever yeah, ever
been Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, they're so fast, you can't there's no real defense
to them. They travel extremely fast. They I don't know
if they are considered ICBMs. ICBM stood for inn.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, yeah, well I'm seeing just googling. It's just the
ABC News says, Russia launches new IRBM at Ukraine. This
is back in November of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, would that be like intermediate range ballistic missile IRBM.
Did they explain what the initials stand for?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'll check.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. I think
what the what the distinction about that missile was that
it was what they call a hypersonic missile, which meant
it goes really fast. There's really no defense for it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And you know, when I was listening to them talk
about it, I mean what struck me was that it
had never been used before, and it was the type
of missile that they would use.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, they also talked about the type of missiles
that America had been making for you know, uh, years
and years and years. I think that I should bems
are you know, these long range missiles they could hit
Russia and UH and vice versa. And it was Russia
(21:28):
in the United States. And you know, it's one thing
that Ronald Reagan seemed to get right back in the
day when he was at Gorbachev Jim that he negotiated
a like all right, let's see, like we've got enough like,
let's let's take it down.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Somebody lowering our arsenals down the bit. We don't need
five thousand each, right, you know, let's take it down
to late two thousand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Even then, that's enough to kill everybody in the world,
you know, ten times.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Over, unless you're New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
We have enough left over for New Zealand too.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, we could.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We could definitely buy a couple off in that direction.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I uh, you know,
one of the last, the last to change the subject
here a little bit. The last podcast we did, uh
(22:33):
we uh start talking about Gary Oldman and we were
talking about Gary Olman and uh what a one flactor
he is and was. And I think that you made
an incredible point, Jim when you said, you know, he
played said Vicious and he played Winston Churchill. You know,
both great each you know, that's all perform when they
(23:00):
say when they say versatile, you know, guy's very versatile.
Tell me about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So when we talk about like one scene, one scene,
you know, Steelers, he has a great.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
One in true romance playing that that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Excel. I think he calls himself he's got the dreading
the Dreadlocks. Yeah, you have the scene with Christian Slater. So,
and I did watch Nil by Mouth last night. You
did tell me about what the feel good movie of
the year. It's an adult dose of a movie. That's
(23:44):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What a movie.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Adult dose a full a full on you know, full
on session for that movie. It's it's uh, it really,
it's very good. You really have to kind of stick
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It kind of reminded me in the beginning. It had
a kind of improvisational feel to it. You know, a
lot of handheld camera. The bar scene kind of went
on long. But but once you kind of get into
the dynamic of the story, there isn't a lot of
story to it. It's really more character portrayals, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And and I haven't in ten years, so I you know,
I'm interested in your opinion, so keep Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And and something that's very raw. You know that the
scenes of the drug use, the shooting up is pretty grim.
You know, it's wrecked me in for dream type stuff,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And and but it's got some whacky I mean, Eric
Clapton does the music, did the score for this thing,
And it's got some great music to it. Uh, it's
got a whacked out scene where the young the young
guy in the in the movie who's the heroin User,
is with a friend of his and they're re enacting
(25:09):
a scene from Apocalypse Now, Dennis Hopper's scene in Apocalypse Now.
It goes on for about five minutes and it's just
a crazy you know, where the hell is this coming from?
But it's a it's a it's one of those moments
that it's kind of enchanting at the same time it's
it's so bizarre. So at the at the end of
the movie, I enjoyed it, but you do have to
(25:31):
kind of stick with it and pay attention to it.
It's not it's not really it's not a feel good movie,
you know, And it's not when you can kind of
do you zip in into and out of you got
to pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, well, you know, that's one of the things that
we're talking about, is not not a feel good movie
like The Divide and recommend for a Dream and and
those movies like kaylin H sEH. By the way, when
we're talking about uh, nuclear events and stuff, Jim, have
(26:08):
you ever seen the sort of the eight part ten
part whatever series They did called sure noble fantastic.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
No, no, oh my god, I really it's amazing. I
really regret.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
It is really really good. And I got the stars
the sun Richard. Uh, it stars the son of a
of a British actor that we're also scars Guard. Nope,
but scars Guards in it. But no, it's scars Guard probably.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, I mean Stone, yeah, Stone, scars Guard is the
main character. I got a long list of cast here,
I read them off. Okay, Jared Harris.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Harris, all right, so that's oh yeah, that's what's that
you hear Richard Harris's son. And to me, yeah, the
two there are two stars in ones build in front
of the other one, but they're both basically they're To me,
it's it's more the story. I scot great, great, great,
great movie. When was that like twenty eighteen or nineteen
(27:23):
twenty nineteen. I didn't see it until a couple of
years ago, and I just couldn't take my eyes off
of it, especially the first uh part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And you know another and it's only it's only five
episodes to only.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Five yeah, and each one is what forty probably about
an hour? About an hour? Yeah, Okay, it's you know,
it's it's really, really, really fabulous. One of the other
filmmakers that I kind of wanted to talk a little
bit about today, Uh, Jim, have you ever seen a
(28:03):
movie by the by the name of Naked with David Thulis?
And do you know?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, Uh, I.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Know who David.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
David Thulis did a movie called Naked. What's the name
of the director, Mike Lee. Mike Lee, you know who?
I'm telling you. David Thulis is fucking brilliant in this movie.
I mean, it's stunningly, stunningly impressive the performance that he
(28:47):
uh gives us in that movie. And it's basically following
him around, uh for forty eight hours through the streets
of London or you know, in out of London or
(29:07):
the suburbs of London, and it is absolutely do you Uh.
Mike Lee is known for a little bit like uh
uh anyway, Uh, he's he's uh known for getting his
(29:32):
cast together ah months before they start shooting and rehearsing
it and rehearsing it and uh rehearsing it and I
(29:52):
I he he did a movie that that came out
after that. He's done a number of movies She's probably
the ten of them. And he did one that came
out after that that got a lot of attention in
Hollywood that I remember, But some of his earlier movies
(30:12):
it's interesting too, because when you get up, specially into
the like the north North part of London, and you
get these characters talking to each other, you fuck can't understand.
You need you need subtitles even though they're speaking English.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And one of the movies did he make?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean, I don't recognize any of them, So I'll
just start from his first and go down Bleak Moments meantime,
High Hopes, Life is Sweet, Naked or at ninety three
now after that, Secret and Lies, Career Girls, Topsy Turvy,
All or Nothing, vera Drake, Happy, Go Lucky another year,
Mister Turner, Peter Low and hard Truths.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I would I would suggest to people, uh that they
they that they pay attention, not pay attention to a filmmaker,
because his career is probably like mine, mostly behind us,
behind him. But you know, I've always found his movies
(31:24):
to be fascinatingly a fascinating look at uh poor English,
Uh life, and I you know, Naked is is Uh
(31:46):
David Doulas is just unbelievable in it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And that David was in one of the series of Wargo, Yeah,
the TV series, in season three. He was in season three,
and he was riveting through the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
He was he was, I mean, I mean, he's riveting
in this movie. That's why I wouldn't be surprised because, uh, yeah,
So how long was he on that show?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, he was. He was on the whole season. I
think six episodes. I don't remember exactly how many six
episodes he was in. Everyone he was kind of a
ambiguous character. He was menacing, but you didn't really know
what the hell he was up to precisely, but you
just knew that he was up to no good. And
and like I said, he was riveting. He was just
absolutely riveting through through the whole thing. So I'm definitely
(32:43):
prepared to say, Hey, if he's in this movie, this
Mike Lee movie, then yeah, that's worth watching. That.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I'm telling you thatctually worth watching. He did another movie.
It was you know, it certainly got uh it's it's
drama and uh with uh Val Kilmer and uh Brando.
(33:10):
What was that fucking movie that we talked about?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
This one before the.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Island Island Doctor Moreau. Okay, well he was, he was
on that set, so it would be really wonderful to
have him around. Uh, doctor Morreaw, I know we talked
about it before, but did it start out being directed
by one person and then ended up being directed by
somebody else? Is that correct? I think.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Let me look into it. I think saying the original
director was Richard Stanley and Ron Hutchinson.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, all right, well that's you know.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, the screenplay is credited to the original director Richard
Stanley and Ron Hutchinson, but then it's just on Wikipedia
the one directed by credit is John Frankenheim.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right right, right? Uh well, anyway, I I that I
you know that that sounded like like, you know, I
thought Navy Seals was bad, you know, the environment, and
(34:22):
then you know, you know, I thought Lauren but Call
was tough. You know. I mean that that just sounded like, wow,
you know, having Brando down there.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And anyway, Also, just a fun fact is uh, David
Thulis is going to be in the next Avatar movie.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh he is?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, honest, Wild bea Avatar fire and Ash and that
says Avatar four after that, so it sounds like he's
gonna be the next two Avatar movies.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, uh, there you go. I guess you know what
do they say, like minds like the smart, brilliant people
like think alike, like man Jim Cameron.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, isn't isn't the isn't the story. I'm sure this
is apocryphal, that the story that on his deathbed, among
John Frankenheimer's last words were never work with Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah. He is quoted to saying he would never work
with Val Kilmer. Again. I'm sure the feeling was mutual. Yeah, well,
I you know I think that uh oh, you know
sometimes uh Joel Schumacher certainly he did Batman with him
and with them, and uh Joel Schumacher was uh didn't
(35:40):
didn't didn't care for Val very much. But you know,
you can be on him. I'm sure that Lewis t
didn't care for me very much, you know when we
did uh Navy Seals.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh, I imagine not, Well, he didn't. You didn't make
any secret of your feeling for him either, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I but you know what I tried.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I didn't. He just seemed to be an impediment to
just making it better and like I saw, you know,
a better movie in that. We had a great cast,
great cast with Charlie Sheen who was fun and funny.
(36:36):
I'll tell you, like you know, with that movie, I
I I think I've kind of told this story before,
but I'll just kind of go through it very quickly.
Is that Originally I was told by Orian or by
my agent ed La Motto, Mark Harmon was attached to it,
(37:00):
or was going to play this other role, and they
offered me the role that Charlie Sheen played in the movie.
And I read the script and I was I just thought, like,
this is a mess and it's kind of like comedic,
(37:20):
but like this is this is this is you know,
got such good I think Bill Paxton had already signed
on for it. Uh, but you know, the cast did
include Bill Paxton and Dennis Hayes Bear who went on
to have a wonderful, wonderful career Joy and Wally Kilmer,
(37:42):
who I've spoken about before about and how wonderful she was. Uh.
She did a uh this is a great Uh. She
did a English film where she played the mistress of
(38:03):
an English politician. Oh yeah, do you know what the
name of that one? Was.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I think it's called scandal. It's based on a true
story about stex scandal, the Profumo scandal in the nineteen
sixties in England that led to the resignation of a
fellow who was high up in the British government. I
(38:30):
think he was he was playing around with a woman
who was also sleeping with a Russian spive. Oh yeah,
I mean I can kind of lead to difficulties.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Maryland thing where she was sleeping with Kennedy and whoever
the mafia boss was and at the time, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, that was the other That was Judith Campbell who
was sleeping with Kennedy and uh and Sam in Connor
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But she was just sleeping off the two Kennedy brothers. Yeah,
that wasn't It wasn't isn't that like John first and
then well Bobby. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think Bobby Kennedy was in town Meday that she died.
I believe he was. I'm I think he was in Malibu,
staying at somebody's place in Malibu. I think I could
be could be wrong about that, but I think that's
something that sort of feeds into the into the you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Know, speculation. Yeah, yeah, we've lived through some some some
crazy times. Jim.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
You know, my first day as a messenger at ic M,
I was being shown the route by the guy who
had previously was previously doing it, and we delivered a
script to Tommy Lee Jones at a house over in Brentwood,
and he and the fellow who was showing me the
route said, hey, it's a good thing I showed you
this because this address is a little tricky to find.
So we dropped off the script and as we were leaving,
(40:04):
he said, hey, you know what that house is, don't you?
And I said no, huh. He said, that's the house
Marilyn Monroe died in. Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So yeah, I saw something recently with Tommy Lee Jones
and Jim. I can't think it was the comedian Rubber
Jim Carry Jim Carrey carry Yeah, and how the two
of them just really, really well. According to Jim Carrey,
(40:39):
you know, Tommy Jones just treated him extremely poorly and said,
you know, I can't accept your your buffoonery. I guess
there's a line something along the lines of like, I
don't appreciate your buffoonery, and I have a feeling that,
(41:04):
especially in his later years that tom and Lee Jones
would have been. You know what. I also saw Billy
Freakin talking about getting back to Billy freaking Billy Freakin
talking about Benicio del Toro, okay, and how I don't
(41:25):
know whether Benicio I've never really heard about his work
ethic and how he works, but uh, he was he
was kind of like saying that Benicio del Toro is
like a little bit more sort of method. He sort
of like, you know, I need a reason to this,
(41:45):
and I need a reason for that, and and he
was kind of in a way being judgmental about Benicio
del Toro, and and then turned around and talked about
Tommy le Jones, Tommy Lee Jones and walking and you know,
tim to walk over there and sit down. He walked
over there and sit down, say your lines, and say
(42:05):
his lines and get up and you'd walk out. And
it was comparing the two as as as if you know,
Tommy Lee Jones was this like incredibly wonderful actor to
work with and Benicio del Toro was more difficult for him.
But I I I find that coming from Billy as
(42:32):
just being you know, shut the fuck up and really
just shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Uh, what what sort of matters is what winds up
on screen, isn't it? And having just watched All Suspects
over again recently, I'd say, you know, if that's what
Benicio del Toro needs to give him a performance, then
you know it works for me.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well there, there's only there's only the only reason that
anybody might have a problem with any actor's process would
be that it costs the production time. You know, I
because time is a very very important money.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It is time is money.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And it can be a you know, if you have
an actor who needs three minutes, you know, are we
ready to shoot this? Okay, give me give me five minutes,
you know, and walks off every time he shoot, you know,
every time he's in a shot. Well, you know that
that can add up to half an hour or forty
five minutes by the end of the day. And that's
(43:46):
certainly something that you don't want. I'm not used to
seeing that. I'm not used to seeing any actor, including
the best that I've worked with. Uh, you know, Ed
Harris certainly vow wasn't not the entire cast of Tombstone
all the all that I told you. I ran into
(44:08):
Stephen Lane, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ran into Stephen Lange.
Oh yeah, yeah, I talk about aliens and the whole thing. Yeah,
but the only the only reason really to uh, you know,
to moan about uh and and to b rate or
(44:29):
whatever he was doing. What happened when he was talking
about fucking freaking you know, I'm like, fuck you man,
it's just such a fucking.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I've never heard any anything like that.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, you know what, I if I'm not mistaken, If
I'm not mistaken, uh, you know, because Billy didn't give
a ship about anything, you know, he didn't fucking he
was like fucking just he didn't fucking hitting people, shooting
guns off behind their head to get reactions, just you know,
like just berating people. Right. And I think, if I'm
(45:05):
not mistaken, Benicio del Toro broke his arm or his
shoulder and or like a collar bone or something like
that because Freakin had him up in a tree. I
could be totally wrong. And I haven't thought about this
for a long time, but for some reason, I I
(45:28):
feel like I've heard that, and I think I heard
that from his agent talking to my agent twenty years ago.
I've never read it, I've never heard anything about it, but.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You know, I've never I mean, I'm just seeing that.
I just googled it. Benisio del Toro did break his
wrist on the set of The Hunted, which is forcing
a Billy freaking, Billy Freaking's.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Movie, and you know what, fuck Billy free. Know, like
that's just like, yeah, you boke his risk because Billy
was a guarantee. You had him, had him doing something
he shouldn't be doing. You know, you used to have
the actress that come out from New York who like
never driven before and get in the car and fucking
(46:15):
drive here and like you know, swing around.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
And do this.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
These guys have never driven, never even driven the car before.
You know, It's like anyway, I've I've I have a
love hate relationship with Billy, but you know, for him
to uh. And I've something about Tommy Lee Jones. I've
(46:40):
never met him, and I really shouldn't have any opinion
about him at all because I don't know, but something
always makes me well, I mean, Jim Carrey seems to
be a pretty nice, normal guy. I think that when
he did when he played Andy kaff I think when
(47:01):
he played Andy Kaufman, he got.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Pretty deep, deep deep people. I understand that as well.
And you know, character.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Was that Melos Foreman who directed that? Was that Milos
Foreman who directed Andy and Andy Kaufman? What was that
called it? Had and in the moon, wasn't it? What
was that? A man on the moon who directed it?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Wow? Wow? He did? Wow?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Uh? And who was the girl and the wife of
Courtney Love? Yeah? Who wrote that?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Two writers Scott Alexander and.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, there are the two guys who wrote People versus
Larry Flynt the.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
The I was going to say, that's.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
That's also stars Courtney Love.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and who plays him? And that who plays uh
the Harrelson Harrelson right right? Yeah, no, God, he was
a god.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
He made some that's a pretty good movie. Ed Norton
plays his attorney has a really good role in it.
People versus Larry Flint I'm talking about Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, tell me who Larry Flint was exactly Again he was.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
He was the publisher of a magazine called The Hustler.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It was like the sleezier version of a playboyse you know, Yes,
and and uh he got shot in I think he
was down south somewhere. I think he might have been
on trial for obscenity or something, and he got shot
and put in a wheelchair, and uh, he just was
always getting in trouble. At one point, there's a good
(48:41):
line in the movie where Woody Harrelson's being wheeled onto
a onto a private private plane and he's telling Ed Norton,
his lawyer, Hey, I'm your favorite client. I'm rich, and
I'm always in trouble and no, that's a fun movie.
Do you remember have you ever seen it?
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Well? Yeah, I feel that. I feel like, now, yeah,
I want to go back and I want to watch
both of those movies because I I have Jim. But
how old are they? Kaitlin, Like, when when did they
come out? Those two movies? And they've got to be
like thirty years old?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
People versus R.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Flint is close to thirty years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I had ninety six people versus.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Okay, yeah years old. Okay. So I you know, I
feel like I watched both of those movies when they
came out. I feel like I enjoyed both of those movies,
but I don't really remember them because it's been thirty
years and it would it would probably behoove me to
go back and look at those two movies. But geez,
(49:49):
what else did did I know Amadaeus? And I know
one fleu of the Cuckoos? Just what else did Milo's form?
And director? Geez? What are you know? We talked about
all these great directors, Jim and like, you know, who's
got the best lineup? And you know John Houston and
(50:12):
we're talking about John Houston the other day, and you know,
like Milo's foreman is.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I don't know what he didn't really because People for
Slarry Flint is ninety six, Man on the Moon was
ninety nine. The only movie he did after those two,
which are both great movies. I love People for Slarry Flint.
And the only movie he did after that was called
Goya's Ghosts in two thousand and six. And that's the
last film.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
And did he do anything of note before Cuckoo's Nest
and before.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
He's got four credits before that Black Peter Loves of
a Blonde, The Fireman's Ball and taking off?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Okayn and Jim, did he did he? Am I wrong?
That he also worked as an actor? Were at times?
Am I? Is that? Have you ever heard that about
Milo's form and that he was that he uh actually
acted in anything? I'm gonna get a note from that.
I can tell by your slow response.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
No, I don't recall him acting in anything.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He's got a couple of acting credits on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Uh, well that might be uh, you know, him just
showing up in one of his movies and and and
none of them looked like they're his.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh really, none of the ones that I mentioned or at.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Look at me. I knew something that you didn't know
about movies about Mels Foreman.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, he didn't really have Oh he directed rag Coon.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Oh remember that? Yeah, of course I do. Yeah, of
course that was Jimmy. What's his name, Jimmy. Give it
to me, jim Come on, Jimmy, j James Cagney movie. Yes, sure, yes, yes,
(52:05):
what what where did? Where? Where? Did?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
That? Is?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Ragtime? Based on a book? Because that was.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Based on a novel I'd read by E. L.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Doctor Oh novel she wrote, what's look that one up
as far as h came and looked that up as
far as like, like, what kind of numbers does it get?
Because it seemed like it was kind of a big,
big deal and then kind of big movie. It was
(52:34):
a big book.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It had a budget of around thirty million dollars and
it made twenty one at the box of Okay. Oh,
but I'm saying that's rentals. Rentals, I'll look into them more.
Doesn't look like a big box office.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Or who else was? Who else was in that castle?
Look at that? Yeah, that was Cagney's. Uh. Cagney lived
longer than most of those guys back there during those Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, James Cagney, Howard Rawlins, Elizabeth McGovern, Brad Doriff, Moses Gutt,
Brad Dorriff.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
He's just Brad Doriff again. I would use Brad again.
Brad Dorff.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Who Samuel Jackson is in it?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Wow? Uh. The thing that I like about Brad Doroff
is as brilliant as he was and truly brilliant in
one flew of the Cuckoos ness. I mean, you just
could never find anybody it could be ye Billy Bibbott
(53:41):
uh uh that he played that role but also did
the voice for Do you know Jim? Do you know Cayman?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Well, I mean I'm looking it up. So yeah, do
you know Chucky Chucky?
Speaker 2 (54:01):
You know that movie Chuck? Oh? Wow, So we're talking
about versatile actors, you know, I think that's kind of
an example of it. He did an episode of the
Magnificent seven show that John Watson did and who we've
(54:27):
had on the podcast, and uh he was, Uh, it's
just a wonderful one. Do you remember what did didn't
he do?
Speaker 1 (54:36):
What he? Do you remember speaking of Tommy Lee Jones,
Tommy Y Jones suspense movie with Faye Dunaway called The
Eyes of Laura Mark.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
I mean Brad Brad Douroff plays like the Red Herring
in that movie.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
The guy that we are.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Sort of led to think is the killer, he really isn't,
because he.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You know, can kind of look like like a wacko. Yeah, yes, yes,
yes who And was that movie successful? I mean there's
a great title. There's something about that's a great title
by the Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fate Dunaway. Wow. Do you
remember that movie? Well? I don't remember what it's about,
(55:18):
but I remember when it came out. It was I mean, yes,
I remember it, like was it a hit? Was it
a big hit or not? Jim, because yes, I'm very
aware of the name of it. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I think it was. Yeah, it would. I mean in
terms of budget to box office it was a pretty
good hit.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, yeah, budget seven million, box office twenty million, and
also Bringing It Back starring Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Right, yeah, yeah yeah. And who directed that?
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Irvin Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Who's that?
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Who would who would go on to direct Empire Strikes Back? Eh,
he'd been around for a while. He'd been directing since
the late fifties. Wow, yeah, he did. He directed a
Sean Connery movie called A Fine Madness that's kind of
a bizarre piece of work. And in the mid sixties, you.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Know, bringing up bringing up Sean Connery. Uh, I was
looking at Lamette movies and uh because at some point
we're going to talk about Sidney Lamett. Well men, yeah,
you know, but he did a movie with Sydney Lamett.
And I because I was kind of doing research for this,
(56:42):
I had just watched Surproco. He did the one with
Paul Newman where he plays the lawyer the Verdict. The
Verdict was good and Croco. I had watched one other one,
but uh uh he was did this movie with who
(57:05):
did I just mention with Sean Connery? And he does
this movie with Sean Connery. And you can watch a
little documentary that they made before they shot the movie.
And it's basically the rehearsal time and Sean Connery talking
(57:31):
about how they were going to shoot this movie in
twenty six days, something along the lines of basically doing
doing it as you know, as well as possible, you know,
as good as possible, and getting and they had a
great cast, wonderful cast. But they showed you know him
(57:58):
as as a director. They would rehearse and like, like
it says in his book, you know that he would
that they would tape out like what a room would
look like, where the chairs were, where the refrigerator was,
where you know, where everything was, and they would do
all those rehearsals because, uh, the other great.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
You're talking about the movie the offense.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yes, yes, and remember for me to get back to
the offense for a second. Uh. But one of the lines,
Jim then I think that one of the lines in
the book, which is it might be the opening line
or it's a very famous quote from him, is you know,
(58:49):
you you get into you know, pre production, you know,
you work hard, you know, you're passionate about it, You're
you know, you're like, you know, you've got a vision
for this movie, and you rehearse it and you crew
up and you're gonna make this movie, and you know
(59:09):
from the very first time you roll the camera. After that,
everything's a compromise.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
It starts to fall apart. He sets in and they
start to disintegrate, and I.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
You know, I started. It's very interesting to watch because
you can see this is before the movie came out,
and at one point Sean Connery's talking about it and said,
you know, we did exactly what we wanted to do.
We got all these great actors for playing these roles.
We did it in twenty eight days, which I think
(59:45):
back then, Jim, I think they it was cheap and
very small. After he had done the five double seven's,
and so yeah, he was used to you know, this
other stuff. And it's very interesting to watch him work
though a little bit in that and just kind of
(01:00:05):
see his personality. Tells a very funny story about a
movie that he'd worked on, and Jo Brenner, uh, it's
it's it's a funny story. I don't I don't remember
the story well enough to sort of retell it, but
it basically had to do with the being on a
on a movie set where they had like hundreds of
(01:00:27):
people working and everybody had like a like a little
box lunch. Like they'd get their lunch and it'd be
like a little box that they would open up. It's
kind of like what Timmy was describing what uh, what's
his name gave him, but like you had a little
box and you open up his little sandwich. And he
said that the Cubrick had like you know, like they'd
(01:00:52):
call lunch and this limousine would pull up, or this
beautiful car would pull up and out would come again
a guy and set up a table with a bottle
of wine and he cook a steak and you know,
potatoes and like you know, do the whole number. And
then you know he was sitting there at a table
(01:01:14):
by himself eating you know, steak and potatoes and vegetables,
and you know all these other people have these box launches. Anyways,
kind of interesting to look at the filmmakers before they
actually shot it, because I started watching the movie Jim,
(01:01:34):
and it starts off with a some film trickery, or
it starts off with this kind of round circle that
you know, I had a really tough time with that movie,
and I watched about thirty minutes of it, maybe thirty
five minus subject matters dark. You know, it's basically about
(01:01:57):
a guy who's killing little girls, raping and killing little girls.
So the subject matter is really dark. But I had
a really really uh tough time uh watching that movie.
But it's interesting watching Sean Connery talk about you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I guess I go ahead. I appreciated that the Sean
Connery made five movies with Sydney the Map.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Uh tell me what they were.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
All the two that made them before that was The
Hill and the Anderson Tapes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Yeah, so that would be the third one.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I'm not sure what he would have made with him
after that the budget wat you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Bring it up if you don't know, he may fucking
made five of them. You know, I didn't. I didn't
know that he made five until I just read it here.
What did Jim? I don't fucking have any idea. Michael,
what do I look like? You're supposed to be my encyclopedia?
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
John?
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
After the Offense, they also made Murder on the Orient
Express Family Business.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Okay, okay, uh yeah, Lamet's uh movies or uh really
something and Lamett I guess we'll talk about the next time.
Jim that we hang out. I just want to thank
everybody for listening. I always enjoy doing this. I always
(01:03:42):
enjoyed talking to you, Jim. Basically, Well, i'll call you
tomorrow or the next day and we'll have this same
conversation we just had. We'll have that conversation and and
then I'll say to you what I wish should have recorded.
We should have recorded that. Yeah, And basically you always say,
(01:04:05):
we left our game on the ring, on the on
the talking about golf, and left our game on the range,
and left our game on the range. Yeah, over prepped. Yeah,
but I guess we're I guess we're going to wrap
this one up again. I want to thank everybody. Thank you, Caylin,
I love you, and I I want to say to
(01:04:30):
any the people that listen to this and that that
write in, I'm very very thankful and come honored that
you find this stuff that I'm talking and that we're
all talking about, the three of us are talking about
as fascinating as as we do. As we move forward
(01:04:53):
into this sort of uncertain world. For me, it's fun
to kind of get lost in the past in movies,
and that's what I have a tendency to do is
when I go home, I really don't want to know
what's going on. I do to a certain extent, but
(01:05:16):
I'll very quickly move to an old movie or one
of these great movies that we talked about. People. Sometimes
a lot of people ask me about movies and my
favorite movies. And I've probably said this before on the podcast,
but I've always said, like, and these are all men.
I could say the same thing with Meryl Streep. To
(01:05:37):
throw Meryl Streep into this group, But Meryl Streep, Jack Nicholson,
de Niro, Paccino, Dustin Hoffman, and Paul Newman, Nichol, Nicholson,
Warren Beatty, take that group of people and just watch
(01:06:01):
all their fucking movies. And I mean, it's a lot
of movies. There's probably sixty movies, but it's there's going
to be a lot of great stuff in there. That
was the generator? What was the time period with them?
Will say goodbye? But Jim, didn't you say that. Didn't
you read or have a sort of an understanding or
(01:06:24):
a belief that there was a certain time during the
sixties into their earth.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It's a comment that Ben Mankowitz, you hosts, who was
a host on Turner Classic Movies and brother of Josh Mankwoodz.
But he made the comment that he thought the kind
of the golden age of American cinema was the decade
nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy seven, which was the
(01:06:51):
year you and I met. And when you think about it,
so many of the movies you and I talk about
as movies that were shaping influences on us, like God Bothering,
Taxi Driver, and One Flew with a Cuckoo's Nest and
Cool Hand Luke were all made in that decade, right
the graduate I know of a movie that was hugely
impactful on me made in that decade, Nicholas, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:07:14):
you know, nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
So what were the years I remember that? What were they?
Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Sixty sixty seven, which I think would include Bonnie and Clyde.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, from when to when that? Did you say?
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Sixty sixty seven to seventy seven?
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Sixty seven to seventy seven, okay, seven, that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Would include Taxi Driver. We fall into that category. The
Godfather movies, the Conversation, the Copola movie, even Apocalypse Now
I think we'd fit into that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I think it was made in seventy seven. I don't
think it came out till seventy eight, but.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
You know, still, that's the that's the era, and all
of Almonds, some of Robert Alton's early movies came along
then nash and Long Goodbye Nashville, which I'm not the
biggest fan, but still yeah, yeah, Brian de Palmer got
his start in those days. Obsession.
Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So okay, well listen, Jim, thank you very much for
hanging in there with us. As I've said to you
previously and and and on this podcast. I know how
much you're getting paid, so it's it's nice for you
(01:08:28):
to come hang out because really, without you, Jim, because
you're the info, I would just be I've said this,
I would just be and you know the guy, the
guy that was in the you know that movie with
the football players and and uh you know that the
blonde and that that that's me trying to describe, you know,
(01:08:54):
And so I need you. I need you there to
like finish my sentences. And I appreciate that. Uh sometimes
turn down the volume when I get to uh, when
I start talking about you know, either freaking or or
terrible Avy sealsman. Anyway, thank you I love everybody, and
(01:09:17):
thank you until next time, and tell me how.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Much you'll let you A strange begin show which hand
would you choose?
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Do that way?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
What greem to your way bound?
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
How would you look upon someone.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Dirtier than you are me? Why don't be carlong with
our shoe to
I have declared against my brain in order to say.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That won't don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as I they will do one time stop.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Days, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
God?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Are you too scared? You shouldn't have sent me? You
shouldn't You shouldn't have sent me that podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Now I got all kinds of things to worry about,
Like I don't have enough in my life, you know,
I gotta worry about somebody smuggling a nuclear bomb into
an Iranian facility and blowing it up and the world wondering.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Who caused that? And there are some really scary nightmare
scenarios those people go through. Uh I I did sort
of skip ahead a little bit, and I think I
found a conversation about about what the future polls in
terms of liberation of nuclear weapons, and how small these
(01:03):
things can be, and all the different ways they can
be dispensed. They don't even have to be They can
be dirty bombs, like you were talking about the kind
of damage it can be done. And it really is
kind of a nightmare scenario when you consider how many
different you know, when when there are that many ways
something can go wrong, the rules of Murphy's Law dictates it. Yeah, eventually,
(01:26):
it will go wrong somewhere, you know, it just seems
to be a matter of time.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Uh yeah. And what Gim's talking about is the fact
that yesterday when I got home, I you know, I
started looking at a podcast and it was an it
was it was about Ai. Oh, by the way, I
(01:53):
just wanted to say, you know, that whole idea I
was talking about him, it's like pretty poison Like, hey,
you know, just have a I kind of you know,
throw out the structure for me and like I take
a look at that and the styles and yeah, and
then you know, like make it as much like pretty
poisonous as possible. But don't you know, infringe on any
(02:14):
copyright and let's change the names and okay, spit something
back to me. And I look at it and start saying,
well this, you know, I'll write a screenplay. And I didn't.
Maybe I was being a little bit insensitive to the
Writer's Guild of America. You hear something, No, No, I
(02:35):
didn't hear anything. Uh, although I did hear something that
bay Logan kind of uh yeah, yeah, but anyway, I
if I called bay Logan a I didn't. If I
call him a gopher, he obviously wasn't. He worked for
(02:56):
Harvey Weinstein, and I meant the first movie that I
was working with him on, he just seemed to be
assigned to me because first of all, he could speak
English and nobody else speak English because we were in
Hong Kong and it's at that you know, nobody spoke English.
And if I you know, I didn't mean to call
(03:16):
him that. And anyway, I didn't direct that movie. That's
the point I was trying to make use. I didn't
direct that movie, and I never I never really had
any I always liked him anyway. Uh what was I
talking about? Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well that that that conversation that you forwarded to me
this morning of that podcast of those people talking about
nuclear weapons. I think they start talking about AI and
then they.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well you're talking about the writers Guild.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get back that in the
second gym. But yes, I felt that after we had
done the podcast, maybe on the way home yesterday, I
just kind of said to myself, well, maybe this is
what the rights or you know, this is why they
went on strike because they didn't want people like me
(04:07):
taking their jobs, not not that I can take their
jobs or not that I'm in a position to get
anything made or anything else. But I realized it might
be a little bit insensitive, and so maybe I'll put
that idea of of of seeing what AI can do
with a script on hold or uh.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, I'm sure it's happening already.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well that's what. Yeah, that's the thing about AI putting.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A genie back in the bottle on that one.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I know, I know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Apologize for speculating about something that's no doubt happening as
we as we as we.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Speak, yes, and I uh, it just seems that every
day there's a new wrinkle, there's a new something, and
one of the uh, you know, there are there are
some people that say, well, there are some people that
(05:04):
are optimistic about what we can do with AI, and
there's other people that are that are pessimistic and both
and some people that are both like like, I feel like,
obviously it's gonna you don't you know, do a lot
of great things for the world. And obviously if it's
used the wrong way, I could do a lot of
terrible things. If if if if if if it's up
(05:25):
to man and mankind to make those type of decisions
down the line, you know, it's gonna go fucking south.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We don't have a great track.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have a terrible track record, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That doing the same thing over again and expecting a
different result. Yeah, that's kind of us.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I just don't. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't.
I just don't see it. I Uh, I thought it
was sort of interesting, uh when uh, this is a
a podcast that I watched that a woman by the
name of uh put my glasses on here. I can't
(06:12):
even read my I want to say, uh, Jacobson, Annie Jacobson, uh.
And guy the name of Benjamin rat Rad who's Iranian
and left Iran like right when the Shaw came in.
He was very These guys are also e f and
(06:32):
smart too. There's oh yeah God, and this guy Andrew
Bustamenta or whatever he is. And then the podcast is
called Diary of a CEO, and you know, like it's
got like five million people watching it, so it's probably
been around for a while. But I think I first
(06:54):
started watching something about AI on that channel. When I
was done watching that AI, this popped up, Jim that
I sent you, and I was just like, you know,
so sort of involved in AI and what can get
(07:14):
go wrong with AI that I you know, kind of
forgot all about nukes. I know, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I know Annie Jacob since she was on Rogan, Yeah,
and that she had written a book about nuclear war.
And I remember starting to listen to that episode and
I got about twenty minutes in and I was like,
I can't listen to this anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was yeah, really, what's the point?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well it is, well, it's it is. It is scary.
And when you hear the three of them talking about it,
there's not very much optimism that goes on. But you
know Jim Cameron who was quoted in that article of AI,
(08:04):
and he said, only I'm using it, you know, make
the movies, uh, lower budget because we can use it
that way. You know, I don't know, I think Jim
probably First of all, Jim moved from Malibu. We had
two houses in Malibu. He had a whole compound up there. Lightstorm.
(08:24):
His company is is here in town, just south of
the are for not Redundo beat Manhattan Beach, and uh,
you know, he just picked up and fucked off to
New Zealand, and I've never really said to Jim, like
why News Zealand, Jim, why why why? Why why New Zealand?
(08:51):
And When I was listening to this podcast, New Zealand
seemed to be one of the well and they mentioned
kind of Australia, you too, but New Zealand seemed to
be one of the places that if there was a
what do you call it when they have a fully
nuclear event, which now like they say it takes like
thirty three seconds or yeah, you know, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They talk about that in the podcast. I think a
little bit about safe zones or yeah there are only
a couple of them in the world. Yeah, yeah, that
won't get like like Hawaii ain't one of them.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah yeah, because somebody kept mentioning Hawaiian. She kept saying, like, no, no.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Not too many targets. There to many, you know, Earl Harbor,
for God's sake, it's still navy base. Yeah, yeah, it's
going to get targeted for sure. But I wouldn't be
surprised if if New Zealand. I mean, that's the premise
of an old movie on the Beach, you know, from
back in the sixties, about a nuclear Holocaust in New
Zealand about the only place left really really yeah yeah yeah,
(09:58):
that old, old old movie On the Beach, well maybe
old Holocaust movies from the sixties. It was one of
them Holocaust movie. Well, I mean, there wasn't a whole
Doctor Strange was in that hole genre, they'll say, in
the Bedford Incident and a bunch of old old movies
from from that era, and On the Beach was was
(10:22):
one of the better known ones.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, that's that's nineteen fifty nine, so just before. But yeah,
Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner, Anthony Perkins.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Uh we directed it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
If you Stanley Kramer, there you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Go, oh, there you go? Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Why oh he was, he was, he was. He made
sort of politically motivated a lot of kind of politically
motivated movies like Judgment at Nuremberg.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I love Inherit to Win.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh he made Inheritor Win too, and great great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah yeah, So you know, political issues, social issues, those
kinds of things were very much a subject matter for
a period there, and On the Beach would fit right
in that period socially minded movies, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, I understand, Like there now, I understand where
you said, Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Uh, getting back to Jim and the fact that he
lives in New Zealand, Now, Jim is uh always I
think thinking ahead of the curve, and uh, I have
a feeling that not only does he live in New Zealand,
(11:49):
but I believe that Jim and I have no idea
because I did not talk to him about it, but
I believe and I wouldn't even ask him this or
I wouldn't even him to answer this if when he
comes on the podcast, is I believe that he's got
like a shelter.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was going to say, probably a compound of some
kind of self sufficient.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about underground. That's what
I mean. A bunker. I'm telling you if I know
Jim Campmon. Here just to give you an example of
the way that Jim's mind works. I can remember a
(12:31):
birthday that I had and Jim was has always have
been very good at remembering birthdays and you know, cards
on Christmas, and he's just always always been very good
at like sort of staying in touch and knowing when
your birthday is and mine's coming up. Jim, I know
(12:56):
it's part of your email.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And but I can remember the gifts that he would
give me and the gifts that I got from Jim.
I remember one time, like you know, on my birthday,
it was like Jim sent over something. It was like
a big package and I thought like, oh my god,
(13:26):
like what could this possibly be? And I opened it
up and it was like this huge bag. It was
like a survival bag. So like if there was a hurricane,
I mean hurricane you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Were going to looking for Clinton's bone, you could take
that with you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, more like Jim if there was an earthquake in
Los Angeles. You know, this thing had all the medical stuff.
It had you know, the the lighters, the matches that
like it was like a big survival kid. And you
(14:11):
know that's just the way that his brain works. And
I I would be shocked if Jim doesn't have some
underground bunker, you know, uh for himself, because when I
hear the guy's talking about uh, nuclear dirty bombs and
(14:37):
all this sort of stuff on this podcast. I mean
it's you know, the one guy that was a very
attractive guy. I think it was in the UH. I
think he's got a military background. This Andro Boston, Manta.
You know, he's taking his families, like leaving wherever he's
(15:01):
he's living now, he's taking them and he's leaving because
he's been so close to uh and probably a combination
of of AI and uh uh and in the nuclear
go ahead, he.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Did people who handle nuclear weapons are really scared to
death about them. People really close to how they actually
operate work.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And he was he was one of those guys sitting
in those bunkers in Omaha, Nebraska or wherever.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, figure on the button, the key in the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The same guy. He's a former covert CIA intelligence officer
and US Air Force combat veteran.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah. I mean, he got's a stud and he you know,
he's he's he's like I don't know if he's like
disappearing off the grid completely, but he's he's concerned enough
that he's taking his family and uh moving Anyway, I
thought that was I I was just fascinated by how
(16:11):
smart those three people were and how, for instance, the
leaders of other countries putin maybe once or twice Trump
maybe once or twice. They just mentioned him kind of
off handed, like the name just kind of came up.
But it's almost like that really didn't make any different,
(16:34):
you know, like I had nothing to do with the
conversations about how nuclear war would start or a dirty
bomb would be in a jim, I think I was
trying to explain to you, and what I was getting
is that, like, explain that scenario one more time where
they were talking about a dirty dirty bomb in Iran.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well, he said, they don't the Ranians don't need to
rich uranium beyond where they have to make a dirty bomb.
And a dirty bomb would be nothing more than a
bomb that a regular bomb that goes off but spread
a radioactive cloud all over a city and would cause
(17:17):
enormous damage. It would enormous damage to people because of
the radiation. It wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily, you know, cause
much damage to structures, but it would. It would put
this lethal cloud of radiation out into the atmosphere that
would cause enormous, enormous suffering and death. That's just one scenario.
(17:41):
And that's and they already have uranium and rich to
that level. And then and then when it comes to
nuclear weapons themselves, there's so many, there's such a variety
of them. What they were talking about the strategic versus tactical.
They can, they can. They can have like a fifty
pound mom you could put on a drone. You can
(18:01):
put a nuke on a drone. You can put them
in the back of a truck. If you ignite him
in the atmosphere, you cause one kind of damage. To
ignite them at at ground level, a different kind of damage.
The range of device is available is it's so there's
such a proliferation. These these fellows seem to be saying
(18:23):
that it's almost inevitable, but one's going to get you
somewhere along the line. Yeah, they were speculating about theoretically
the Israelis could smuggle a small tactical device into an
Iranian facility and set it off, and once that device
is set off, it's pretty immediately detectable.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
We'll know, we'll know very quickly if anybody's setting off
any nuclear devices anywhere in the world. And if we
detect that there's a nuclear device set off in Iran
and the Iranians, are we going to believe the Iranians
when they say we didn't do it?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You don't even believe the Israelis. And they said we
didn't do it, you know, So, yeah, you can. You
can set off one of those things, and and and
there's no real accountability for it. If if somebody fires
it off on the missile, like the Russians launched on
it US, for example, we'd know within a couple of
seconds of the launch that the Russians had launched a
missile and it was coming our way. So and then
(19:21):
if if it detonated, we can pretty well determined. Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
One of the things I thought it was sort of interesting,
Gym was and you probably because you only you didn't
have very much time with it. But they were talking
about how Putin has now used an ICBM. Is that
you know, like that like for the first time ever.
He shot one of those things into uh Ukraine. But
(19:52):
it was empty, I mean it was didn't have a
fucking nuclear warhead.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
They might be talking about our hyper sonic missiles.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
This is the first time this has ever yeah, ever
been Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, they're so fast, you can't there's no real defense
to them. They travel extremely fast. They I don't know
if they are considered ICBMs. ICBM stood for inn.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, yeah, well I'm seeing just googling. It's just the
ABC News says, Russia launches new IRBM at Ukraine. This
is back in November of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, would that be like intermediate range ballistic missile IRBM.
Did they explain what the initials stand for?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'll check.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. I think
what the what the distinction about that missile was that
it was what they call a hypersonic missile, which meant
it goes really fast. There's really no defense for it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And you know, when I was listening to them talk
about it, I mean what struck me was that it
had never been used before, and it was the type
of missile that they would use.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, they also talked about the type of missiles
that America had been making for you know, uh, years
and years and years. I think that I should bems
are you know, these long range missiles they could hit
Russia and UH and vice versa. And it was Russia
(21:28):
in the United States. And you know, it's one thing
that Ronald Reagan seemed to get right back in the
day when he was at Gorbachev Jim that he negotiated
a like all right, let's see, like we've got enough like,
let's let's take it down.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Somebody lowering our arsenals down the bit. We don't need
five thousand each, right, you know, let's take it down
to late two thousand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Even then, that's enough to kill everybody in the world,
you know, ten times.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Over, unless you're New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
We have enough left over for New Zealand too.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, we could.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We could definitely buy a couple off in that direction.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I uh, you know,
one of the last, the last to change the subject
here a little bit. The last podcast we did, uh
(22:33):
we uh start talking about Gary Oldman and we were
talking about Gary Olman and uh what a one flactor
he is and was. And I think that you made
an incredible point, Jim when you said, you know, he
played said Vicious and he played Winston Churchill. You know,
both great each you know, that's all perform when they
(23:00):
say when they say versatile, you know, guy's very versatile.
Tell me about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So when we talk about like one scene, one scene,
you know, Steelers, he has a great.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
One in true romance playing that that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Excel. I think he calls himself he's got the dreading
the Dreadlocks. Yeah, you have the scene with Christian Slater. So,
and I did watch Nil by Mouth last night. You
did tell me about what the feel good movie of
the year. It's an adult dose of a movie. That's
(23:44):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What a movie.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Adult dose a full a full on you know, full
on session for that movie. It's it's uh, it really,
it's very good. You really have to kind of stick
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It kind of reminded me in the beginning. It had
a kind of improvisational feel to it. You know, a
lot of handheld camera. The bar scene kind of went
on long. But but once you kind of get into
the dynamic of the story, there isn't a lot of
story to it. It's really more character portrayals, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And and I haven't in ten years, so I you know,
I'm interested in your opinion, so keep Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And and something that's very raw. You know that the
scenes of the drug use, the shooting up is pretty grim.
You know, it's wrecked me in for dream type stuff,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And and but it's got some whacky I mean, Eric
Clapton does the music, did the score for this thing,
And it's got some great music to it. Uh, it's
got a whacked out scene where the young the young
guy in the in the movie who's the heroin User,
is with a friend of his and they're re enacting
(25:09):
a scene from Apocalypse Now, Dennis Hopper's scene in Apocalypse Now.
It goes on for about five minutes and it's just
a crazy you know, where the hell is this coming from?
But it's a it's a it's one of those moments
that it's kind of enchanting at the same time it's
it's so bizarre. So at the at the end of
the movie, I enjoyed it, but you do have to
(25:31):
kind of stick with it and pay attention to it.
It's not it's not really it's not a feel good movie,
you know, And it's not when you can kind of
do you zip in into and out of you got
to pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, well, you know, that's one of the things that
we're talking about, is not not a feel good movie
like The Divide and recommend for a Dream and and
those movies like kaylin H sEH. By the way, when
we're talking about uh, nuclear events and stuff, Jim, have
(26:08):
you ever seen the sort of the eight part ten
part whatever series They did called sure noble fantastic.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
No, no, oh my god, I really it's amazing. I
really regret.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
It is really really good. And I got the stars
the sun Richard. Uh, it stars the son of a
of a British actor that we're also scars Guard. Nope,
but scars Guards in it. But no, it's scars Guard probably.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, I mean Stone, yeah, Stone, scars Guard is the
main character. I got a long list of cast here,
I read them off. Okay, Jared Harris.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Harris, all right, so that's oh yeah, that's what's that
you hear Richard Harris's son. And to me, yeah, the
two there are two stars in ones build in front
of the other one, but they're both basically they're To me,
it's it's more the story. I scot great, great, great,
great movie. When was that like twenty eighteen or nineteen
(27:23):
twenty nineteen. I didn't see it until a couple of
years ago, and I just couldn't take my eyes off
of it, especially the first uh part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And you know another and it's only it's only five
episodes to only.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Five yeah, and each one is what forty probably about
an hour? About an hour? Yeah, Okay, it's you know,
it's it's really, really, really fabulous. One of the other
filmmakers that I kind of wanted to talk a little
bit about today, Uh, Jim, have you ever seen a
(28:03):
movie by the by the name of Naked with David Thulis?
And do you know?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, Uh, I.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Know who David.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
David Thulis did a movie called Naked. What's the name
of the director, Mike Lee. Mike Lee, you know who?
I'm telling you. David Thulis is fucking brilliant in this movie.
I mean, it's stunningly, stunningly impressive the performance that he
(28:47):
uh gives us in that movie. And it's basically following
him around, uh for forty eight hours through the streets
of London or you know, in out of London or
(29:07):
the suburbs of London, and it is absolutely do you Uh.
Mike Lee is known for a little bit like uh
uh anyway, Uh, he's he's uh known for getting his
(29:32):
cast together ah months before they start shooting and rehearsing
it and rehearsing it and uh rehearsing it and I
(29:52):
I he he did a movie that that came out
after that. He's done a number of movies She's probably
the ten of them. And he did one that came
out after that that got a lot of attention in
Hollywood that I remember, But some of his earlier movies
(30:12):
it's interesting too, because when you get up, specially into
the like the north North part of London, and you
get these characters talking to each other, you fuck can't understand.
You need you need subtitles even though they're speaking English.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And one of the movies did he make?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean, I don't recognize any of them, So I'll
just start from his first and go down Bleak Moments meantime,
High Hopes, Life is Sweet, Naked or at ninety three
now after that, Secret and Lies, Career Girls, Topsy Turvy,
All or Nothing, vera Drake, Happy, Go Lucky another year,
Mister Turner, Peter Low and hard Truths.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I would I would suggest to people, uh that they
they that they pay attention, not pay attention to a filmmaker,
because his career is probably like mine, mostly behind us,
behind him. But you know, I've always found his movies
(31:24):
to be fascinatingly a fascinating look at uh poor English,
Uh life, and I you know, Naked is is Uh
(31:46):
David Doulas is just unbelievable in it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And that David was in one of the series of Wargo, Yeah,
the TV series, in season three. He was in season three,
and he was riveting through the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
He was he was, I mean, I mean, he's riveting
in this movie. That's why I wouldn't be surprised because, uh, yeah,
So how long was he on that show?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, he was. He was on the whole season. I
think six episodes. I don't remember exactly how many six
episodes he was in. Everyone he was kind of a
ambiguous character. He was menacing, but you didn't really know
what the hell he was up to precisely, but you
just knew that he was up to no good. And
and like I said, he was riveting. He was just
absolutely riveting through through the whole thing. So I'm definitely
(32:43):
prepared to say, Hey, if he's in this movie, this
Mike Lee movie, then yeah, that's worth watching. That.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I'm telling you thatctually worth watching. He did another movie.
It was you know, it certainly got uh it's it's
drama and uh with uh Val Kilmer and uh Brando.
(33:10):
What was that fucking movie that we talked about?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
This one before the.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Island Island Doctor Moreau. Okay, well he was, he was
on that set, so it would be really wonderful to
have him around. Uh, doctor Morreaw, I know we talked
about it before, but did it start out being directed
by one person and then ended up being directed by
somebody else? Is that correct? I think.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Let me look into it. I think saying the original
director was Richard Stanley and Ron Hutchinson.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, all right, well that's you know.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, the screenplay is credited to the original director Richard
Stanley and Ron Hutchinson, but then it's just on Wikipedia
the one directed by credit is John Frankenheim.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right right, right? Uh well, anyway, I I that I
you know that that sounded like like, you know, I
thought Navy Seals was bad, you know, the environment, and
(34:22):
then you know, you know, I thought Lauren but Call
was tough. You know. I mean that that just sounded like, wow,
you know, having Brando down there.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And anyway, Also, just a fun fact is uh, David
Thulis is going to be in the next Avatar movie.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh he is?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, honest, Wild bea Avatar fire and Ash and that
says Avatar four after that, so it sounds like he's
gonna be the next two Avatar movies.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, uh, there you go. I guess you know what
do they say, like minds like the smart, brilliant people
like think alike, like man Jim Cameron.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, isn't isn't the isn't the story. I'm sure this
is apocryphal, that the story that on his deathbed, among
John Frankenheimer's last words were never work with Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah. He is quoted to saying he would never work
with Val Kilmer. Again. I'm sure the feeling was mutual. Yeah, well,
I you know I think that uh oh, you know
sometimes uh Joel Schumacher certainly he did Batman with him
and with them, and uh Joel Schumacher was uh didn't
(35:40):
didn't didn't care for Val very much. But you know,
you can be on him. I'm sure that Lewis t
didn't care for me very much, you know when we
did uh Navy Seals.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh, I imagine not, Well, he didn't. You didn't make
any secret of your feeling for him either, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I but you know what I tried.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I didn't. He just seemed to be an impediment to
just making it better and like I saw, you know,
a better movie in that. We had a great cast,
great cast with Charlie Sheen who was fun and funny.
(36:36):
I'll tell you, like you know, with that movie, I
I I think I've kind of told this story before,
but I'll just kind of go through it very quickly.
Is that Originally I was told by Orian or by
my agent ed La Motto, Mark Harmon was attached to it,
(37:00):
or was going to play this other role, and they
offered me the role that Charlie Sheen played in the movie.
And I read the script and I was I just thought, like,
this is a mess and it's kind of like comedic,
(37:20):
but like this is this is this is you know,
got such good I think Bill Paxton had already signed
on for it. Uh, but you know, the cast did
include Bill Paxton and Dennis Hayes Bear who went on
to have a wonderful, wonderful career Joy and Wally Kilmer,
(37:42):
who I've spoken about before about and how wonderful she was. Uh.
She did a uh this is a great Uh. She
did a English film where she played the mistress of
(38:03):
an English politician. Oh yeah, do you know what the
name of that one? Was.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I think it's called scandal. It's based on a true
story about stex scandal, the Profumo scandal in the nineteen
sixties in England that led to the resignation of a
fellow who was high up in the British government. I
(38:30):
think he was he was playing around with a woman
who was also sleeping with a Russian spive. Oh yeah,
I mean I can kind of lead to difficulties.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Maryland thing where she was sleeping with Kennedy and whoever
the mafia boss was and at the time, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, that was the other That was Judith Campbell who
was sleeping with Kennedy and uh and Sam in Connor
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But she was just sleeping off the two Kennedy brothers. Yeah,
that wasn't It wasn't isn't that like John first and
then well Bobby. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think Bobby Kennedy was in town Meday that she died.
I believe he was. I'm I think he was in Malibu,
staying at somebody's place in Malibu. I think I could
be could be wrong about that, but I think that's
something that sort of feeds into the into the you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Know, speculation. Yeah, yeah, we've lived through some some some
crazy times. Jim.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
You know, my first day as a messenger at ic M,
I was being shown the route by the guy who
had previously was previously doing it, and we delivered a
script to Tommy Lee Jones at a house over in Brentwood,
and he and the fellow who was showing me the
route said, hey, it's a good thing I showed you
this because this address is a little tricky to find.
So we dropped off the script and as we were leaving,
(40:04):
he said, hey, you know what that house is, don't you?
And I said no, huh. He said, that's the house
Marilyn Monroe died in. Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So yeah, I saw something recently with Tommy Lee Jones
and Jim. I can't think it was the comedian Rubber
Jim Carry Jim Carrey carry Yeah, and how the two
of them just really, really well. According to Jim Carrey,
(40:39):
you know, Tommy Jones just treated him extremely poorly and said,
you know, I can't accept your your buffoonery. I guess
there's a line something along the lines of like, I
don't appreciate your buffoonery, and I have a feeling that,
(41:04):
especially in his later years that tom and Lee Jones
would have been. You know what. I also saw Billy
Freakin talking about getting back to Billy freaking Billy Freakin
talking about Benicio del Toro, okay, and how I don't
(41:25):
know whether Benicio I've never really heard about his work
ethic and how he works, but uh, he was he
was kind of like saying that Benicio del Toro is
like a little bit more sort of method. He sort
of like, you know, I need a reason to this,
(41:45):
and I need a reason for that, and and he
was kind of in a way being judgmental about Benicio
del Toro, and and then turned around and talked about
Tommy le Jones, Tommy Lee Jones and walking and you know,
tim to walk over there and sit down. He walked
over there and sit down, say your lines, and say
(42:05):
his lines and get up and you'd walk out. And
it was comparing the two as as as if you know,
Tommy Lee Jones was this like incredibly wonderful actor to
work with and Benicio del Toro was more difficult for him.
But I I I find that coming from Billy as
(42:32):
just being you know, shut the fuck up and really
just shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Uh, what what sort of matters is what winds up
on screen, isn't it? And having just watched All Suspects
over again recently, I'd say, you know, if that's what
Benicio del Toro needs to give him a performance, then
you know it works for me.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well there, there's only there's only the only reason that
anybody might have a problem with any actor's process would
be that it costs the production time. You know, I
because time is a very very important money.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It is time is money.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And it can be a you know, if you have
an actor who needs three minutes, you know, are we
ready to shoot this? Okay, give me give me five minutes,
you know, and walks off every time he shoot, you know,
every time he's in a shot. Well, you know that
that can add up to half an hour or forty
five minutes by the end of the day. And that's
(43:46):
certainly something that you don't want. I'm not used to
seeing that. I'm not used to seeing any actor, including
the best that I've worked with. Uh, you know, Ed
Harris certainly vow wasn't not the entire cast of Tombstone
all the all that I told you. I ran into
(44:08):
Stephen Lane, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ran into Stephen Lange.
Oh yeah, yeah, I talk about aliens and the whole thing. Yeah,
but the only the only reason really to uh, you know,
to moan about uh and and to b rate or
(44:29):
whatever he was doing. What happened when he was talking
about fucking freaking you know, I'm like, fuck you man,
it's just such a fucking.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I've never heard any anything like that.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, you know what, I if I'm not mistaken, If
I'm not mistaken, uh, you know, because Billy didn't give
a ship about anything, you know, he didn't fucking he
was like fucking just he didn't fucking hitting people, shooting
guns off behind their head to get reactions, just you know,
like just berating people. Right. And I think, if I'm
(45:05):
not mistaken, Benicio del Toro broke his arm or his
shoulder and or like a collar bone or something like
that because Freakin had him up in a tree. I
could be totally wrong. And I haven't thought about this
for a long time, but for some reason, I I
(45:28):
feel like I've heard that, and I think I heard
that from his agent talking to my agent twenty years ago.
I've never read it, I've never heard anything about it, but.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You know, I've never I mean, I'm just seeing that.
I just googled it. Benisio del Toro did break his
wrist on the set of The Hunted, which is forcing
a Billy freaking, Billy Freaking's.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Movie, and you know what, fuck Billy free. Know, like
that's just like, yeah, you boke his risk because Billy
was a guarantee. You had him, had him doing something
he shouldn't be doing. You know, you used to have
the actress that come out from New York who like
never driven before and get in the car and fucking
(46:15):
drive here and like you know, swing around.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
And do this.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
These guys have never driven, never even driven the car before.
You know, It's like anyway, I've I've I have a
love hate relationship with Billy, but you know, for him
to uh. And I've something about Tommy Lee Jones. I've
(46:40):
never met him, and I really shouldn't have any opinion
about him at all because I don't know, but something
always makes me well, I mean, Jim Carrey seems to
be a pretty nice, normal guy. I think that when
he did when he played Andy kaff I think when
(47:01):
he played Andy Kaufman, he got.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Pretty deep, deep deep people. I understand that as well.
And you know, character.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Was that Melos Foreman who directed that? Was that Milos
Foreman who directed Andy and Andy Kaufman? What was that
called it? Had and in the moon, wasn't it? What
was that? A man on the moon who directed it?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Wow? Wow? He did? Wow?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Uh? And who was the girl and the wife of
Courtney Love? Yeah? Who wrote that?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Two writers Scott Alexander and.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, there are the two guys who wrote People versus
Larry Flynt the.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
The I was going to say, that's.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
That's also stars Courtney Love.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and who plays him? And that who plays uh
the Harrelson Harrelson right right? Yeah, no, God, he was
a god.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
He made some that's a pretty good movie. Ed Norton
plays his attorney has a really good role in it.
People versus Larry Flint I'm talking about Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, tell me who Larry Flint was exactly Again he was.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
He was the publisher of a magazine called The Hustler.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It was like the sleezier version of a playboyse you know, Yes,
and and uh he got shot in I think he
was down south somewhere. I think he might have been
on trial for obscenity or something, and he got shot
and put in a wheelchair, and uh, he just was
always getting in trouble. At one point, there's a good
(48:41):
line in the movie where Woody Harrelson's being wheeled onto
a onto a private private plane and he's telling Ed Norton,
his lawyer, Hey, I'm your favorite client. I'm rich, and
I'm always in trouble and no, that's a fun movie.
Do you remember have you ever seen it?
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Well? Yeah, I feel that. I feel like, now, yeah,
I want to go back and I want to watch
both of those movies because I I have Jim. But
how old are they? Kaitlin, Like, when when did they
come out? Those two movies? And they've got to be
like thirty years old?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
People versus R.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Flint is close to thirty years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I had ninety six people versus.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Okay, yeah years old. Okay. So I you know, I
feel like I watched both of those movies when they
came out. I feel like I enjoyed both of those movies,
but I don't really remember them because it's been thirty
years and it would it would probably behoove me to
go back and look at those two movies. But geez,
(49:49):
what else did did I know Amadaeus? And I know
one fleu of the Cuckoos? Just what else did Milo's form?
And director? Geez? What are you know? We talked about
all these great directors, Jim and like, you know, who's
got the best lineup? And you know John Houston and
(50:12):
we're talking about John Houston the other day, and you know,
like Milo's foreman is.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I don't know what he didn't really because People for
Slarry Flint is ninety six, Man on the Moon was
ninety nine. The only movie he did after those two,
which are both great movies. I love People for Slarry Flint.
And the only movie he did after that was called
Goya's Ghosts in two thousand and six. And that's the
last film.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
And did he do anything of note before Cuckoo's Nest
and before.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
He's got four credits before that Black Peter Loves of
a Blonde, The Fireman's Ball and taking off?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Okayn and Jim, did he did he? Am I wrong?
That he also worked as an actor? Were at times?
Am I? Is that? Have you ever heard that about
Milo's form and that he was that he uh actually
acted in anything? I'm gonna get a note from that.
I can tell by your slow response.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
No, I don't recall him acting in anything.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He's got a couple of acting credits on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Uh, well that might be uh, you know, him just
showing up in one of his movies and and and
none of them looked like they're his.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh really, none of the ones that I mentioned or at.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Look at me. I knew something that you didn't know
about movies about Mels Foreman.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, he didn't really have Oh he directed rag Coon.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Oh remember that? Yeah, of course I do. Yeah, of
course that was Jimmy. What's his name, Jimmy. Give it
to me, jim Come on, Jimmy, j James Cagney movie. Yes, sure, yes, yes,
(52:05):
what what where did? Where? Where? Did?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
That? Is?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Ragtime? Based on a book? Because that was.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Based on a novel I'd read by E. L.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Doctor Oh novel she wrote, what's look that one up
as far as h came and looked that up as
far as like, like, what kind of numbers does it get?
Because it seemed like it was kind of a big,
big deal and then kind of big movie. It was
(52:34):
a big book.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It had a budget of around thirty million dollars and
it made twenty one at the box of Okay. Oh,
but I'm saying that's rentals. Rentals, I'll look into them more.
Doesn't look like a big box office.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Or who else was? Who else was in that castle?
Look at that? Yeah, that was Cagney's. Uh. Cagney lived
longer than most of those guys back there during those Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, James Cagney, Howard Rawlins, Elizabeth McGovern, Brad Doriff, Moses Gutt,
Brad Dorriff.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
He's just Brad Doriff again. I would use Brad again.
Brad Dorff.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Who Samuel Jackson is in it?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Wow? Uh. The thing that I like about Brad Doroff
is as brilliant as he was and truly brilliant in
one flew of the Cuckoos ness. I mean, you just
could never find anybody it could be ye Billy Bibbott
(53:41):
uh uh that he played that role but also did
the voice for Do you know Jim? Do you know Cayman?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Well, I mean I'm looking it up. So yeah, do
you know Chucky Chucky?
Speaker 2 (54:01):
You know that movie Chuck? Oh? Wow, So we're talking
about versatile actors, you know, I think that's kind of
an example of it. He did an episode of the
Magnificent seven show that John Watson did and who we've
(54:27):
had on the podcast, and uh he was, Uh, it's
just a wonderful one. Do you remember what did didn't
he do?
Speaker 1 (54:36):
What he? Do you remember speaking of Tommy Lee Jones,
Tommy Y Jones suspense movie with Faye Dunaway called The
Eyes of Laura Mark.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
I mean Brad Brad Douroff plays like the Red Herring
in that movie.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
The guy that we are.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Sort of led to think is the killer, he really isn't,
because he.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You know, can kind of look like like a wacko. Yeah, yes, yes,
yes who And was that movie successful? I mean there's
a great title. There's something about that's a great title
by the Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fate Dunaway. Wow. Do you
remember that movie? Well? I don't remember what it's about,
(55:18):
but I remember when it came out. It was I mean, yes,
I remember it, like was it a hit? Was it
a big hit or not? Jim, because yes, I'm very
aware of the name of it. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I think it was. Yeah, it would. I mean in
terms of budget to box office it was a pretty
good hit.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, yeah, budget seven million, box office twenty million, and
also Bringing It Back starring Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Right, yeah, yeah yeah. And who directed that?
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Irvin Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Who's that?
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Who would who would go on to direct Empire Strikes Back? Eh,
he'd been around for a while. He'd been directing since
the late fifties. Wow, yeah, he did. He directed a
Sean Connery movie called A Fine Madness that's kind of
a bizarre piece of work. And in the mid sixties, you.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Know, bringing up bringing up Sean Connery. Uh, I was
looking at Lamette movies and uh because at some point
we're going to talk about Sidney Lamett. Well men, yeah,
you know, but he did a movie with Sydney Lamett.
And I because I was kind of doing research for this,
(56:42):
I had just watched Surproco. He did the one with
Paul Newman where he plays the lawyer the Verdict. The
Verdict was good and Croco. I had watched one other one,
but uh uh he was did this movie with who
(57:05):
did I just mention with Sean Connery? And he does
this movie with Sean Connery. And you can watch a
little documentary that they made before they shot the movie.
And it's basically the rehearsal time and Sean Connery talking
(57:31):
about how they were going to shoot this movie in
twenty six days, something along the lines of basically doing
doing it as you know, as well as possible, you know,
as good as possible, and getting and they had a
great cast, wonderful cast. But they showed you know him
(57:58):
as as a director. They would rehearse and like, like
it says in his book, you know that he would
that they would tape out like what a room would
look like, where the chairs were, where the refrigerator was,
where you know, where everything was, and they would do
all those rehearsals because, uh, the other great.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
You're talking about the movie the offense.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yes, yes, and remember for me to get back to
the offense for a second. Uh. But one of the lines,
Jim then I think that one of the lines in
the book, which is it might be the opening line
or it's a very famous quote from him, is you know,
(58:49):
you you get into you know, pre production, you know,
you work hard, you know, you're passionate about it, You're
you know, you're like, you know, you've got a vision
for this movie, and you rehearse it and you crew
up and you're gonna make this movie, and you know
(59:09):
from the very first time you roll the camera. After that,
everything's a compromise.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
It starts to fall apart. He sets in and they
start to disintegrate, and I.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
You know, I started. It's very interesting to watch because
you can see this is before the movie came out,
and at one point Sean Connery's talking about it and said,
you know, we did exactly what we wanted to do.
We got all these great actors for playing these roles.
We did it in twenty eight days, which I think
(59:45):
back then, Jim, I think they it was cheap and
very small. After he had done the five double seven's,
and so yeah, he was used to you know, this
other stuff. And it's very interesting to watch him work
though a little bit in that and just kind of
(01:00:05):
see his personality. Tells a very funny story about a
movie that he'd worked on, and Jo Brenner, uh, it's
it's it's a funny story. I don't I don't remember
the story well enough to sort of retell it, but
it basically had to do with the being on a
on a movie set where they had like hundreds of
(01:00:27):
people working and everybody had like a like a little
box lunch. Like they'd get their lunch and it'd be
like a little box that they would open up. It's
kind of like what Timmy was describing what uh, what's
his name gave him, but like you had a little
box and you open up his little sandwich. And he
said that the Cubrick had like you know, like they'd
(01:00:52):
call lunch and this limousine would pull up, or this
beautiful car would pull up and out would come again
a guy and set up a table with a bottle
of wine and he cook a steak and you know,
potatoes and like you know, do the whole number. And
then you know he was sitting there at a table
(01:01:14):
by himself eating you know, steak and potatoes and vegetables,
and you know all these other people have these box launches. Anyways,
kind of interesting to look at the filmmakers before they
actually shot it, because I started watching the movie Jim,
(01:01:34):
and it starts off with a some film trickery, or
it starts off with this kind of round circle that
you know, I had a really tough time with that movie,
and I watched about thirty minutes of it, maybe thirty
five minus subject matters dark. You know, it's basically about
(01:01:57):
a guy who's killing little girls, raping and killing little girls.
So the subject matter is really dark. But I had
a really really uh tough time uh watching that movie.
But it's interesting watching Sean Connery talk about you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I guess I go ahead. I appreciated that the Sean
Connery made five movies with Sydney the Map.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Uh tell me what they were.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
All the two that made them before that was The
Hill and the Anderson Tapes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Yeah, so that would be the third one.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I'm not sure what he would have made with him
after that the budget wat you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Bring it up if you don't know, he may fucking
made five of them. You know, I didn't. I didn't
know that he made five until I just read it here.
What did Jim? I don't fucking have any idea. Michael,
what do I look like? You're supposed to be my encyclopedia?
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
John?
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
After the Offense, they also made Murder on the Orient
Express Family Business.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Okay, okay, uh yeah, Lamet's uh movies or uh really
something and Lamett I guess we'll talk about the next time.
Jim that we hang out. I just want to thank
everybody for listening. I always enjoy doing this. I always
(01:03:42):
enjoyed talking to you, Jim. Basically, Well, i'll call you
tomorrow or the next day and we'll have this same
conversation we just had. We'll have that conversation and and
then I'll say to you what I wish should have recorded.
We should have recorded that. Yeah, And basically you always say,
(01:04:05):
we left our game on the ring, on the on
the talking about golf, and left our game on the range,
and left our game on the range. Yeah, over prepped. Yeah,
but I guess we're I guess we're going to wrap
this one up again. I want to thank everybody. Thank you, Caylin,
I love you, and I I want to say to
(01:04:30):
any the people that listen to this and that that
write in, I'm very very thankful and come honored that
you find this stuff that I'm talking and that we're
all talking about, the three of us are talking about
as fascinating as as we do. As we move forward
(01:04:53):
into this sort of uncertain world. For me, it's fun
to kind of get lost in the past in movies,
and that's what I have a tendency to do is
when I go home, I really don't want to know
what's going on. I do to a certain extent, but
(01:05:16):
I'll very quickly move to an old movie or one
of these great movies that we talked about. People. Sometimes
a lot of people ask me about movies and my
favorite movies. And I've probably said this before on the podcast,
but I've always said, like, and these are all men.
I could say the same thing with Meryl Streep. To
(01:05:37):
throw Meryl Streep into this group, But Meryl Streep, Jack Nicholson,
de Niro, Paccino, Dustin Hoffman, and Paul Newman, Nichol, Nicholson,
Warren Beatty, take that group of people and just watch
(01:06:01):
all their fucking movies. And I mean, it's a lot
of movies. There's probably sixty movies, but it's there's going
to be a lot of great stuff in there. That
was the generator? What was the time period with them?
Will say goodbye? But Jim, didn't you say that. Didn't
you read or have a sort of an understanding or
(01:06:24):
a belief that there was a certain time during the
sixties into their earth.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It's a comment that Ben Mankowitz, you hosts, who was
a host on Turner Classic Movies and brother of Josh Mankwoodz.
But he made the comment that he thought the kind
of the golden age of American cinema was the decade
nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy seven, which was the
(01:06:51):
year you and I met. And when you think about it,
so many of the movies you and I talk about
as movies that were shaping influences on us, like God Bothering,
Taxi Driver, and One Flew with a Cuckoo's Nest and
Cool Hand Luke were all made in that decade, right
the graduate I know of a movie that was hugely
impactful on me made in that decade, Nicholas, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:07:14):
you know, nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
So what were the years I remember that? What were they?
Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Sixty sixty seven, which I think would include Bonnie and Clyde.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, from when to when that? Did you say?
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Sixty sixty seven to seventy seven?
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Sixty seven to seventy seven, okay, seven, that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Would include Taxi Driver. We fall into that category. The
Godfather movies, the Conversation, the Copola movie, even Apocalypse Now
I think we'd fit into that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I think it was made in seventy seven. I don't
think it came out till seventy eight, but.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
You know, still, that's the that's the era, and all
of Almonds, some of Robert Alton's early movies came along
then nash and Long Goodbye Nashville, which I'm not the
biggest fan, but still yeah, yeah, Brian de Palmer got
his start in those days. Obsession.
Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So okay, well listen, Jim, thank you very much for
hanging in there with us. As I've said to you
previously and and and on this podcast. I know how
much you're getting paid, so it's it's nice for you
(01:08:28):
to come hang out because really, without you, Jim, because
you're the info, I would just be I've said this,
I would just be and you know the guy, the
guy that was in the you know that movie with
the football players and and uh you know that the
blonde and that that that's me trying to describe, you know,
(01:08:54):
And so I need you. I need you there to
like finish my sentences. And I appreciate that. Uh sometimes
turn down the volume when I get to uh, when
I start talking about you know, either freaking or or
terrible Avy sealsman. Anyway, thank you I love everybody, and
(01:09:17):
thank you until next time, and tell me how.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Much you'll let you A strange begin show which hand
would you choose?
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Do that way?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
What greem to your way bound?
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
How would you look upon someone.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Dirtier than you are me? Why don't be carlong with
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