July 31, 2025 • 65 mins
In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, we dive deep into Hollywood's past and present, revisiting iconic actors and unforgettable films. We kick things off with an engaging conversation about Kurt Russell's vital role in the making of 'Tombstone' and how he brought the film back from the brink of collapse. We then shift gears to discuss James Woods and his attempts to collaborate on various film projects, followed by an appreciation of Lee Daniels' contributions, including the Oscar-nominated 'Precious.' The episode also sheds light on Gene Hackman's impactful performance in 'Mississippi Burning' and other classic films like 'The French Connection' and 'Unforgiven.' We even touch on personal anecdotes involving big names like Charlton Heston and the significance of films such as 'Ghosts of Mississippi' and John Carpenter's 'The Thing.'
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
03:08 YouTube Comments
04:43 Cillian Murphy
10:39 Mississippi Burning and Civil Rights History
13:07 Gene Hackman and Iconic Movie Roles
21:53 Tombstone and Behind the Scenes Insights
32:07 Insights into Second Unit Directing
34:05 Kurt Russell's Role in 'Tombstone'
38:11 The Influence of John Fasano
43:17 Memories of Charlton Heston
53:19 Lee Daniels and Hollywood Connections
01:02:24 Podcast Reflections and Future Plans
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
03:08 YouTube Comments
04:43 Cillian Murphy
10:39 Mississippi Burning and Civil Rights History
13:07 Gene Hackman and Iconic Movie Roles
21:53 Tombstone and Behind the Scenes Insights
32:07 Insights into Second Unit Directing
34:05 Kurt Russell's Role in 'Tombstone'
38:11 The Influence of John Fasano
43:17 Memories of Charlton Heston
53:19 Lee Daniels and Hollywood Connections
01:02:24 Podcast Reflections and Future Plans
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won'ts don't seem to following so long as so
long as I only will be one time the stars,
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Jim say test one two three.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Let test one two three?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Can you guys, can you hear me now?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, can you hear me now? Working with a little
product placement into our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh, here's something that I Yeah, Kaitlin, I want you
to pay attention to. And uh, Jim, you can just
listen to this because I went back and watched not
(00:57):
not this past podcast, but one we did before.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
And five Island movies.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't know, they all get next there all the
fucking And what I realized is yet, when I was
a kid, I can't remember being about my son's age,
about ten, ten or eleven years old, and I was
at a sporting event with my father and I'm watching something,
(01:24):
some Little League game or something I forget my brother's
or something, and my dad looks over to me and
he goes, I'll give you a quarter if you can
keep your mouth closed and breathe out of your nose
for a minute. I was like, okay, so I did that,
and he gave me a quarter. But basically there was
(01:47):
a lot when I was a child. I remember my
mother and my father saying like, close your mouth, like
you know, fly is going to go in there, you know,
close your mouth just like you know what, Why is
your mouth always open? So I'm fucking watching the podcast
and my mouse, I'm like, uh huh ah, you know.
(02:11):
And it's bad enough when you're fucking ten, but when
you get to be my age, it just adds like
another six or eight years onto how old I look
with my mouth is open. I'm gonna ask me am,
I gonna ask Caitlin on the air while we're doing this,
(02:32):
because it's gonna take me a while to get used
to it. For the next couple of podcasts, I just
need you. I don't give a ship that people are knowing.
I need you to say, Dad, shut your fucking.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Mouth a quarter, close your mouth and pull your shirt down.
Stop kicking your feet so much.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, yeah, I mean you know, well if you I've
been having a of running war with him, like somehow
it's not as close as where you are. I'm like,
I'm always like, can you get a little tighter? Can
you get a little tighter? I'm a fucking actor. I
want that clothes shot.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know, somehow my waist.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, but anywhere it's it's getting better. And uh So
I wanted to mention right off the bat that I
have read a lot of comments about the podcast. Yeah,
(03:39):
YouTube comments, I guess they are. And what I really
like is when they're like, no, Richard Harris is not
from England, from Scotland, you dim what you know.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Wasn't in that Aliens movie.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I got that. Yeah, so keep up the oversight. Uh.
I really enjoyed that. And and of course I learned
that way. Uh. And I thought, like, Jim, is there
still a United Kingdom? Can I just count Scotland and
(04:19):
Ireland as part of like the.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Northern Northern Ireland?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think? But if they're from southern Ireland and I
say they're.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
From well, the southern part seceeded almost one hundred years ago,
not white could be considered part of the UK.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
In fact, they were neutral during World War Two.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So well, you know, somebody said, you know, if Richard
Harris is around, he probably knocked you out him for
calling him English. So it's good. Uh. And it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
There's a there's a funny clip online of an interviewer
who is interviewing you know, Killian Murphy, Yes, and Tom
Hardy at the same time, and he's going, oh, you
guys are you're British, right, and Killy Murphy goes no,
I'm Irish. Well, well you're British, and Tom Hardy's like no, no, no,
he's Irish. Don't fuck that up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Too, fucking that's different.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, brilliant actors. I saw Killian Murphy and a a
movie that he did, Jim that had to do with them,
uh with them. It had to do with World War
(05:48):
two and the attempt I believe that was made on
a German general's life. I think they may be assassinated
by throwing a bomb underneath his uh A vehicle.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
That's probably that's probably the the assassination of of a
s S guy named Hydric and Reinhardt Heidrich in Czechoslovakia
and they killed him by doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
British agents snuck some weaponry in and they killed him
by doing that. They got together, I think with some
Czech underground fighters and the Germans retaliated by annihilating the
town of Lady, killing thousand people. The whole town. They
(06:42):
went into the town and wiped killed everybody. Everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, men, women and children, killed them all, wiped out
the whole town because it was nearby near the sea. Yeah,
that's a very famous.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Anthrop Well what why what is anthropoid? Why would it
be called that? Jim which that even means?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'd think of that in the science fiction.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It is. That is the name of it. I remember
it had. It's sort of an odd name, but it
is really good. It's really good.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I read that's not the only movie version of that there.
I mean that that that was fictionalized or adapted for
screen back in the fifties.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Well, the twenty sixteen film Anthropoid refers to Operation Anthropoid two,
mission to assassinate Ryan Hard Heydrich, a high ranking Nazi official.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Anyway, I remember too, you know, growing up, we would
always go to the movies, but every once in a
while you would take me to these like it's really
like it's kind of a Lemley's, the Lemley's Theater over
in Encino. Yeah, and before they redid it, it was
like it would show like just kind of like low
budget movies. Is a crappy theater or whatever, but it's
(07:58):
really fun. And you took me to a movie called
In the Tall Grass which featured Killian Murphy, that was
so irish that it needed like subtitles.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yes, I talked about all the Michel was needed subtitles.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It was called The wind Shakes the Barley. That was
the name of the movie.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, who directed that? That might have been? That feels
like like, uh that was ken Loach. Oh, ken Loach,
he's the other one. Oh yeah, ken Loaches. You know
I get those two Mike Lee and ken Loach mixed
up because ken Loach.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I was getting them confused too.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. Ken Loach is also a filmmaker who does h
relatively low budget movies in Northern England. And he's got
some great stuff that he did and and and of
course that's one of them. I've always liked, uh watching
(08:56):
movies that have a year of peing. Uh. So somebody asked,
I was, yes, you know Between Two Ferns, you know that,
you know that show? Ask an actor I forgot, do
you think you would have like as you know, you know,
(09:19):
do you think you would be as successful as sure
if you didn't have that British accent?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I forgot it was Benic.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That was pretty funny. Anyway, I watched last night. The
only really two things that I well, this is what
I said. I already said this to you, Jim, I'll
ask calein this uh westcot four eyes and can't see.
(10:01):
I asked my ten year old this just this joke
and the answer.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He probably got it too.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He did. He didn't get it, but when I when
I told him, he went like like, yeah, cool, dad, Yeah,
go fund yourself. Uh Mississippi all right? Four eyes fucking okay, okay, okay.
The only thing that I ever really knew about Mississippi
and the only like cool thing I ever growing up
(10:31):
and up until this point, up until like right now,
have ever known about am I asked about Mississippi is
that it's fun to spell it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Am I the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's the only like, that's all I ever knew about it.
And yeah, last night I ran across a film with
Gene Ackman in it. And yeah, it's called Mississippi Burning?
Is that correct, Jim, Yes, yes, and it workers got
(11:12):
a little role in it, and uh Billy Bib, Francis
mc yeah, I did say that. Francis McDormand and Gene Hackman.
Their scenes in that movie are so good. She plays
uh the wife of uh Billy Bibbott. Who am I
(11:34):
talking about if we've talked about him on the show before? Guy? No,
guy from one floor of the Cuckarson. The foe's in
the movie, of course, Brad Brad, Yeah, Brad. She plays
Brad Dura's wife and Brad dorific this you know KKK
guy And she's not happy because he's asked her to
(11:54):
to tell the police that that that he was with
her for thirty twenty minutes or thirty forty an hour
whatever it is. Yeah, an alibi. Yeah. When when the
three what was it called?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They were civil rights workers?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
They were it's a very famous case of three civil
rights workers who were killed. They were in Mississippi in
the summer of sixty four trying to do voter registration,
trying to do civil rights work and h and they
were arrested, put in jail. They were released late at
(12:39):
night into the hands basically of some waiting ku Klux.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Klan members and murdered.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yes, their bodies were buried in an earthen dam, and
they were uncovered some weeks later and a big investigation ensued.
They were three civil rights workers named Cheney, Goodman, and Schwerner.
Those names are real famous and in the history of
civil rights, a huge case, a huge incident at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, I you know, I put that on last night
to watch it and it was really good. It was
really really good. And Jeane Han Hackman, Francis mcderman scenes,
there's there's there's a scene where Gene Hackman is talking
(13:29):
to her. She says, have you ever been married? And
he says, yeah, I was married once. It's an FBI
agent and so like I was here and I was
there and other man's It's like we usually think about
Gene Hackman and how brilliant he was. It's you see,
it's this sort of tough Popeye like character. Yeah, yeah,
(13:50):
you know, from the French Connection or Bill in The
un Forgiven, all those sort of characters that I've always
kind of seen him that way. Uh and uh was
he the guy in the Conversation Jim or Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so adventure. Yeah, I've always seen him in that kind
(14:15):
of tough guy light. There's a moment where he talks
about why he's not married to Francis McDorman in that
movie and you can kind of see his soul as
an actor. I mean it is really like kind of
an incredible moment, especially because it's gene hacked. It's almost
(14:39):
like uh uh yeah, some yeah, it's it's it's it's
almost like Clint Eastwood crying, you know on camera anyway
(15:00):
people talk, people talking about people are.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
In trouble getting out getting a picture of that one.
But no, I know, I'm sure we could ai generate
one without too much trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
But I know, I know, I have always absolutely we
were talking about films that top ten films and stuff,
and at some point we're going to have to talk
about top five westerns, and uh oh absolutely. Unforgiven has
always been a movie that I have gone back to
(15:34):
and watched over and over and over again. And to me,
that is a pretty perfect movie.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
And I.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Really enjoyed that movie. Like I think, we talked a
couple of podcasts ago about the Shootest, which was John
Wayne is kind of the same.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, well yeah, it is kind of a send off
to an era sort of movie a little bit in
the same way that maybe The Wild Bunch was. You know,
their day is kind of over. You know what I
loved about the movie was that I kind of saw
it almost in a way as Eastwood commenting on the
character that made him famous, the guy from the spaghetti
(16:18):
westerns from Good to Bad and the Ugly and and
a handful of dollars, et cetera, and and saying, this
is where that guy's life will take him. It takes
him to this kind of lonely this this guy who
can't make it as a farmer, this bill money guy
at the beginning of this thing, who chas every time
(16:41):
I think I'm out, I get pulled back in, and
he gets pulled back into that old gunslinger life.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And it just has some incredibly.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That the Godfather got Father three, Godfather three.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Every time I think I'm out, they pulled.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Father Part three.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Godfather.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh yeah, Okay, I didn't know anybody ever saw that movie. Well,
the fact that you can quote from it is, uh,
I remember from it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And how miscast it was.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Uh well, she came back and uh uh a couple
of daughter was her name? The director? Yeah, she came
back and basically fuck you you know with what it
was the last the Bill Murray wasn't. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
We did with Lost in translation lost translation.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah she did. She came back with a
big fuck you because people really really took her apart
in that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And she and she remade a Clint Eastwood movie, The Beguile.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh she did.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I could never quite understand that movie. I don't. I
just saw Clint Eastwood's version of it, and I was.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Just, yeah, well, the director of that movie I like
quite a bit. Don Siegel, don will help him get
his start?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Didn't down?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Did he direct Play Misty for Me and then done?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
No? No, Well Eastwood directed Play Misty.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
For Me and that was his first picture.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, but but Don Siegel has a small part in it. Yeah, right,
plays he plays a bartender. He's got.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He's got a small.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Part in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers too, and
he directed the original on that. Don Siegel is a
really interesting, really interesting director.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I liked his work a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He directed, he directed a.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, he directed a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Jim who uh is Kevin McCarthy who was the star
of the first Invasion of the Body Yes, yes, he
and I worked together. I think he might have been
in deadly intentions.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh and and uh ah and he was a very
interesting guy that I got to talk to because Kevin McCarthy,
if I'm not misstake, and I had conversations with him
about James Dean, and I think that he was a friend.
I think he would have been closer than not not
(19:23):
not like I think that Jamie Farr, who I've wanted
to have on the show for a long time but
we haven't been able to pull that off. Uh. He
he knew Dean a little bit. But you know, when
I was talking to Kevin McCarthy, Uh, I think Kevin
knew him pretty well. And you know, when I was
a young guy, like hanging around my acting class, Uh,
(19:48):
you know, I'm usually all the time in my life,
I'm just me. I'd never like fucking put on any
I'm just like, yeah, this is me, fucking you know,
like you don't like it. When I was as a kid,
I used to always only mostly an acting classes or
somewhere around like an acting friend, you know whatever. I
kind of put on my James Dean moat, but going
(20:11):
to my James Dean mode, which I don't even know
what the fuck it was, moody, you know, like kind
of sullen and figure charming at the same time, you know,
tortured from this like upper middle class family popping back
(20:32):
and forth the Lake Havasu. But this torture like am
I straight or gay?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
That was usually after you'd seen East of Me and
then you go in to that mode. Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Ghosts of Mississippi. So that's that's a movie. Uh. And
I can't remember now who directed it, but it was
somebody really good, that's all.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Briner did go to Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And in Mississippi Burning had Alan Parker directed a fabulous
you know series of movies including Midnight Express, Yes and Fame,
Yes the Moon.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I also wanted to mention a lot of the Mississippi
Burning was nominated for seven awards, seven Academy Awards, and
won one for Best Cinematography.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But yeah, Alan, who was a cinematographer that was interesting
to know.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Peter Bazoo?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who is this? I always forget this guy's name, and
I loved him. I loved him to death. Him and
his wife. Who's the cinematographer on Navies Seals?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh Alonso, Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
John, thank you boy, Jim, you still got it.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Man, He's a great cinematographer.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah. Well, I know that he did.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
He did Shineertown, he did China Down.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh. I thought that was Oh I wanted to make
a you know, I saw a thing come out again,
you know, like interesting things to know about Tombstone and
you know, here's ten things that you didn't know about
the filming of Tombstone Tombstone and now that I know,
Like like when a site comes up, I went into
(22:24):
full Like what do you call it? When somebody's like
fucking with it with their phone and they're like, you know,
going like I just kept going on their set of
blowing them up, just going back on the site. This
is idiotic. You know, I don't know where you get
this crap. You know, I've been and I think I
kind of disappeared, but it was getting you know, one
(22:45):
hundred thousand people watching it. And basically and number six,
Michael Bean, who played Johnny Ringo not used to the heat,
and during the famous scene where he's at doc Holiday
was passing out and you know, couldn't take the heat.
(23:09):
And therefore basically what you're watching it's not a performance,
but Michael Bean trying to hold himself up because he's
so close to pass.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You know, you go fuck fuck are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You what an idiotics stud? Bit stupid? First of all,
you know, I went to high school in Lake Havasoux City, folks. Okay,
Lake Havasoux City did not have a weather station. But
it's really close to the Needles. And you go back
into the seventies and you look at the hottest it's
(23:42):
about fifteen minutes from Needles. Okay, yeah, you look at
the hottest city in the country back all through the
seventies when I was there in the eighties, and and
and it was always Needles or Death Valley. Those are
the two places. And Lake Havasu was just as hot
as Needles. The idea that like I was like, I
(24:06):
couldn't handle the he had a fucking trailer like right
next to me. Well, I did not what I wanted
to say about that scene. Also, which I think that
I've probably said.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Before, what scene exactly are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That? The fucking I'll be your Huckleberry scene? Okay, I'll
be your Huckleberry scene, The most famous line in the
movie Val Kilmer's brilliant blah blah blah uh that scene
in the movie I'll be your huckleberryer. Now, first of all,
The way that I remember it, okay, is that that
(24:43):
was not shot with the first unit. Okay, So George
Cosmonos was nowhere in fucking sight, nobody Kurt was fucking
and Kurt would not have come on to oversee, like
what what what a second? Kurt would not come on
(25:03):
to be looking at me and Val do that scene,
just like I wouldn't like when they're talking about Johnny Ringo,
I'm not gonna fucking show up on the set and
like study them and let you what are they saying.
It's just fucking rude. It's just being kind of a
rude thing to do. Inappropriate, Yeah, definitely inappropriate. So anyway,
that scene is the most famous, well you can talk
(25:27):
about one where I spin the gun and he spins
the cup. That's pretty well liked scene also, but the
scene where he says I'll be your huckleberry was shot
with about six people there, okay. And I'd like to
make this point. First of all, whatever that website is,
just go fuck yourself. Where do you come up? How
(25:49):
do you just like make shit up? And they you know,
they made up a bunch of shit also about other people,
and you know, like any way, I just don't. Don't
do it. Why put something up that is obviously you
don't know what you're talking about. I guess if you
get enough clicks, that's the answer.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
And there's no consequence, you know, hear the fucking tell
them that those consequences when you start talking about me
fucking passing out.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And that's why I said, all right, let's do it
with a smile because I was so you know. But
anyway that that that sequence that we shot in the movie.
I've said this before. I really want to make this clear. Okay,
and the boys that are helping you with this, they
(26:44):
can cut this little fucking part, you know. Inside joke
man came and got like, uh uh, you know that
was shot. What had happened was And I've said this before,
but I'm gonna say it again. The day before we
(27:06):
were supposed to shoot that scene, Jim Jackson came to
me and he said, Michael, I want if you want to,
uh we know where the location is. You're going to
be shooting this scene tomorrow. I think you and vounce
you go out and you know, maybe take a look
at the location, see what you want to do. So
we went out and we rehearse that scene. And I
(27:30):
have talked before on this podcast about the fact that,
like Vall and I didn't really talk to each other,
but when we had to do business, there was a
working relationship, and we were the ones who decided to
make it a tight one. We were the one standing
next to each other, he and I. You were to
(27:50):
drive through choreograph, Yes, yes, exactly, circling each other.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Tight.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I thought that was great.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But it was Fraker who went, oh, I didn't think
you had it in you and he steps out of
the darkness into the light. Yeah, that was Franker.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Fraker.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fraker was there when we Franker, if you want to
call anybody a director of that sequence it, you know,
setting up the camera, it was William Fraker. Okay, Franker
was there now and I was there, Val was there,
Jim Jackson was probably there, and then there would have
(28:35):
been a wardrobe person to make sure, and it wouldn't
have been the wardrobe, head of ward not even the
head of wardrobe, the person who's on the set. The
head of the set wardrobe probably wouldn't have been them
because they were off for the first unit shooting. Okay,
so it would have been the third wardrobe person, the
third makeup person, and maybe there was a camera operator there.
(29:00):
I'm guessing Franker might have done it himself. I don't
remember frank or picking up camera the other guy. We
were just talking about the one you just Alonzo.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah that Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He was famous for handheld Yeah, shooting handheld.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, who's uh? I like you like me?
You really like me?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Sally Fiel? Yeah, she when she she worked with him
and she won an Academy Award when she played an
organizer of Norman Ray. Norman Ray Yeah shot that also.
But going back, I would I want to stay on
this like I'm staying on fucking the Ghost of Mississippi. Yeah,
he's got to talk to the whole episode about the
(29:44):
Ghost of Mississippi. I fucking really haven't gotten there yet.
Half hour and already.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
What do you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I want to talk about the Ghost of Mississi. All right,
we're thirty minutes in. Now you've mentioned it one time.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Listen, this is the way that imagine out there, anybody
who's paying attention, imagine this is how my brain works.
It's just like, you know, this is how I lived
my life, and uh, this is how my brain works,
goes from this to that to this to that, and
it's hard for me to concentrate, except for when you're
(30:21):
real bad ADHD like I am.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
One of the things that identifies you as an ADHD
is jumping from like I am now jumping from from
now I'm gonna explain to you about my ADHD is
there is one identifying factor among ten or whatever, which
is hyper focus, hyperfucus on things. And uh, that's what
(30:45):
I do with acting. It's like, I just hyper focus
on that, on that character. And uh, I can remember
I was in Bisbee with Jennifer and he's laughing at
least my mouth least. I'm not sitting here going like
I'm working on folks, I'm working on it. I'm working
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on that.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Uh what was that talking about a couple of things?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, you hyper focused on a buncket. I was down
to Bisbee. I was down at Bisbee and something came
up about uh ADHD, and I was like, I don't.
I don't have ADHD, you know, because I've never been
you know, I used to go to a psychiatrists and
(31:34):
therapists all the time. People are always trying to figure
me out, like the fuck is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Was?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He like, I need to be And nobody ever, I
don't remember anybody using ADHD. And at one point I
was in Bisbee and I was with my son, who
at that point was probably seven or maybe eight, and uh,
I said, and I was with Jennifer and I said,
eighty I'm not eighty eight HD. You know, of course
(32:01):
my son he pulls this phone out immediately, fucking eighty
HD symptoms, all right, like number one. You know, it's
hard to count, you know, And like we went through it,
and I was like nine out of ten at that point.
I was just like all right, getting back to the
thing that I did with val H. So that was
(32:25):
what you call, uh, like a what do you call
that gym? Not a breakaway crew, like a second unit.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Second second unit usually is.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And I've always said being a second unit director on
a Jim Cameron movie is the most difficult job that
you have. Jim's like, okay, I want you to go
shoot this like that. Thank you come back with it.
You know, somebody comes running back. No not, I didn't
ask no, like to do it this way and change
(32:57):
that and put it back.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You know, Ron Ron Shelton did second unit on a
film but he wrote called under Fire with Nick Multi
directed by Roger Spottiswood, and he said the experience was
great preparation for when he stepped into director when he
got the shot to do. No, he hadn't directed before
he bud so he.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Was doing it with Jim. He wasn't you said he
was director for Spottingswood.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
For spottist Wood. Yeah, he was the second unit for Spottiswood.
But he thought being a second doing second unit.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Was was a great It wasn't work for Jim Cameron.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
No, No, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm just I'm just saying. You know that like whenever
you shoot ends up on the screen, so imagine you know. Uh,
thank god he couldn't play Kris. As I've said many times. Now,
we're gonna have chim on. We're waiting for the Avatar
to come out. Uh just released the trailer they did. Yeah, yeah,
(33:59):
so what what's the release date? That's what about? Yeah,
he'll be Herember December, I think it was. Okay, he's
promised to come.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
By December nineteenth.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
December nineteenth, okay, Well that's exciting. Uh so, uh, I
just want to go back to the tombstone thing. So
the way that I also remember because after he kills me,
after Doc Hallig kills Johnny Ringo and he's like talking
(34:36):
to him, Kurt Russell kind of runs in at the
end like oh, what the fuck did I miss? Or
we're you know, like it's kind of a tough moment
for Kurt. These are a couple of times in that
movie where Kurt has to kind of like running after
like all the actions over, like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
What I miss? What I meant?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I love Kurt? I love Kurt. I put it out
there to somebody that I saw recently, and I said,
because he knows Kurt, he knows Kurt's best friend. And
about two three months ago I put it out there like,
please tell Kurt. They're like, God, Jesus what I'd love
to talk to him about it because he knows where
all the bodies are, very he knows everything about you.
(35:25):
What I I just know a little bit, And I
fucking always shoot my mouth off about what I know,
what I knows I know, and uh, I know, I
felt fine when I was fucking shooting that list getting
uh but Uh yeah, I kind of put it out
there and then I didn't hear anything at all, and
I thought, maybe Kurt doesn't like me. There's uh you know,
(35:49):
because I I do say that he didn't direct the movie.
But I you know, Kurt would be the first one
to sit here and go like, yeah, no, I mean
I did I look at it? Was I location scouting.
No did I edit the movie? No? Did I cast
the movie. I'm sure he was involved in the casting.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Of the movie. I'm sure, but uh, you know, the
movie never would have gotten off the ground.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Never would have made would gotten Yeah, Kurt Russell's responsive,
totally responding, and more than anything else, he is responsible
for when it fell apart exactly. They didn't They didn't wait.
They didn't wait a day or two to direct, I
(36:32):
mean to fire Kevin. They waited four weeks. So that
meant that that our one hundred and forty five page
script had to be cut down to one hundred and
ten page script. And it was really Kurt and probably Jim,
maybe Andy Vanya, I don't know who had to decide
(36:54):
which scenes were going to stay and which scenes were
were we not ever going to be able to even shoot.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
And even a prospect of the movie not even recovery yet. Yes, Yes,
that weekend was terilesus because it was a club's call
as to whether the movie would even resume.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, And you know, Jim, you and I have talked
also about the fact that movies that actually, you know,
get four weeks into shooting and then they just never
get made, and that that movie probably had a very
very good chance of that happening to it if Kurt
had not come in and powered his way and had
(37:35):
been the leader of that group, just like a like
a quarterback and a football team who's coaching.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
He definitely took the ball, He took control, give.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Me the ball. This has got to go, This has
got to go, This has got to go. And he
told the women in the movie, these are scenes that
you're going to lose. And he told uh, Sam Elliott,
these are scenes that you're gonna use lose, and Bill
and over here on our side, it was basically Jim
(38:07):
Jack saying, well, we're not going to be able to
do this one. We're not going to be able to
do that one. We're not going to be able to
do this one. But if it hadn't been for Kurt
that that movie just would not get made, would not
have would would probably not have ever existed, because they
also brought in I was wondering, I need to look
(38:28):
at the credits. But they brought in a director before Cosmodos,
or as Cosmodos was coming into town, or as Cosmodo
was getting up to speed. They brought it in a
director and or writer writer, director, and he's kind of
John Fostano. Does that sound yeah? Yeah, do you know
(38:51):
that name John? Look him up because I've never mentioned
this boy, John Faustin. I think his name is John
Fostano something like that. They brought him and he was
a director, and he helped kind of rewrite and and
and decide with Kurt was going to go and how
they were going to stitch it all back together again.
(39:13):
This is why I want so badly Kurt to I'd
love to fucking talk to him, because he I know
five percent of what happened. He knows ninety percent of
what happened, and I know he's but anyway, I put
it out there to somebody that said they knew his
right hand man. Uh, it would have been it would
(39:33):
have been like uh uh, somebody said to you, hey, Jim,
can you get a hold of Michael and ask him this?
And you would you know, you'd I put that, yeah,
and I said, well tell him please. For the love
of God, hopefully I haven't said anything that, like, you know,
has upset him in any way.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And uh. There was one other really stupid fucking thing
that not not that I do a lot of stupid things.
One stupid thing that I did about ten it's probably
even in the middle of my stroke and like being
on stage and tired whatever. At one point somebody asked
me about Tombstone, and I basically described it as being,
(40:19):
you know, altered because of the working conditions, because the
director got fired and we had to lose some stuff,
and the way that it was edited that it turned
out it was kind of me and vow who ended
up kind of And I think I used the word
(40:40):
stealing the show, which is like, you know, go fuck yourself. Mike, Oh,
you didn't notice Kurt in there. You didn't notice fucking
Sam Elliott, you didn't notice Stephen Lang. Oh, it was
just about you. Yeah. So that's the only other thing
I can ever remember saying. And if I was Kurt
(41:01):
and I saw that I'd be like, I tell that
I'm gonna go fuck himself. But anyway, I ran into
this guy. And I went to the San Diego Comic
Con to promote the podcast, and I know, I was
down there and I ran into that guy and he said, oh,
by the way, I you know, have you heard from Kurt?
And I was like, no, no, I don't think Kurt
any and and and he said, well, you know, I
(41:23):
passed on that information. That guy said that he would
pass on the information and acted like, oh, yeah, no,
Kurt would love to talk to him. Kurt would love
to talk to him about this kind of stuff, you know.
And so uh, anyway, I mean, he's the guy who
really knows everything about the movie. There's also another producer
(41:45):
on the movie who lives down in Arizona in Bisbee.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I get him on a podcast or oh yeah, that
writer you were talking about is named John Persano.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
And Johnson what what what did he? What did? He?
Speaker 7 (42:02):
Was?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
He right? Just write?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
He directed a few things.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
He directed six movies, but he was known as kind
of a script doctor and he and he and some
of the movies that he's lifted as a script doctor
include Tombstone, Diehard with a Vengeance and Judge Dread okay,
and uh, he's also a weapons expert. He's written for
things like American Handgunner Magazine.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
He had a lot of American hand Gunner Magazine. Is
that the hand Gunner?
Speaker 4 (42:34):
American Handgunner Magazine? Wow? And and he's worked on movies
like Another forty eight Hours, the sequel to the Eddie
Murphy Nick Naughty movie.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Worked on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well, I you know, I have talked a lot about
Tombstone and uh, you know about this process.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
And another thing that's kind of remarkable is that they
fired Kevin after four weeks and didn't use his footage.
He had four weeks of footage it went unused.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, well still and a half hour before about the
fact that like I went nose to nose and not
really nose to nose because he was taller than me.
But Moses fucking uh who am I thinking about? Played
Moses Jim Heston. Yeah, Charlton Heston. And that's when you know,
(43:34):
Charlton Heston was not sick at that time. And I
used to drive to work with him. And it was
the thing about Heston too, It was like, you know,
he used to get in this little van and there'd
be like six of us crammed in there, and he
would like, you know, take it from Tucson to Mescal
and take that same like you know, he was No,
he didn't have that whole fuckingom a movie star. I
(43:56):
need a driver, I.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Need like entourage.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And no, no, no, no, no, he was. He was
really sweet. He was a very very nice guy. And
uh and and of course that was before he got
Sickond we talked talked about this before. I mean, he's
basically hardly in the movie. They had to you know,
like not shoot that one scene. According to there's another
(44:20):
producer on that.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Movie, right, So the producers on Wikipedia is James Jacks,
Sean Daniel, and Bob MIZERROUSI.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Okay, Bob Mizerowski. Bob Mizerowski is another guy who knows
where all the bodies are. Yeah, he lives in Arizona
and I talked to him. But and we've talked about
this before. The scene that I had with uh when
I forgot his name already Hester thank you is uh
uh you know it was you know me is when
(44:50):
he is when Val and Curd are laying around. Anyway,
we have talked about this in the podcast before, but god,
I'd love to have Kurt Russell on. And you know,
Kurt has been I've seen him like going through his movies.
They have sites now which are like actors dissecting their
(45:12):
favorite most popular movies, and so he'll talk about the
thing and he'll talk about to exactly. And one of
the things that he said is that he he said, well,
you know, I'm no kind of got a bias here,
(45:36):
so you can't really basically said, I can't really brag
about how good the movie is, uh in a sort
of a political ways. But you won't find very many
movies around that that are as quote Westerns. I think
he was talking about are as quotable, which is interesting
(45:56):
because when I signed autographs for people, they a lot
of times will say, oh, hey, could you say all right, longer,
let's do it? Uh? Could you call me an ignorant wretch?
Can you? Uh?
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Well, it's funny because we were at we were at
Comic Con promoting the podcast, and you know, there's people
lining up to get your autograph whatever, But just behind
the booth are people walking by. And the most heard
thing that I said is people would walk by see
you and go on, Johnny, looks like someone just walked
over your grave and then just keep walking.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah. Well people always say that to me, and I'm
always saying that was my fucking line. So why don't
you go for quote me? You know you need to
quote Yeah. Yeah. But but the thing that's interesting also
about that is that that then when you go to
the Cameron movies, come with me. If you want to
live the future, Now what year? I like to keep
(46:55):
this handy for close encounters somebody wake up here. I
mean like there's like forty quotes that people want.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
And so.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Anyway, between Tombstone, Aliens and Terminator, Uh, there, they are
very quotable movies. Now I can't We were talking about
Mississippi burning, Well, yeah, we were.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Well I think we've already passed the point which we're
really going to get into it. Well, I just wanted
to mention talking about Kurt Russell. I love horror movies.
I'm a horror movie junkie, but it's kind of harder
for me to get into not even just horror movies,
but like kind of the earlier movies, you know, seventies
and eighties. I like a lot of the more modern stuff.
But I watched the Thing for the first time recently.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
His Thing is so good.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
It is it might be one of my favorite horror movies.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Definite vast improvement over the original.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's so good, and vast improvement over the original where
there was a thing but for what's I know his
name of the director?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, who.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
John Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Carpenter. Yeah, was there a thing before for John Carpenter?
Speaker 3 (48:11):
There was, Yeah, way back in the fifties.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, some black and white.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Now have they done that since?
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Yeah, they redid it like twenty eleven with I think
Joel Edgar tandl And it wasn't bad.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, Well but the John Carpenter Kurt Russell one
was really good and it was kind of coming on
the heels of alien.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Well, I haven't seen vibe about it.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
That was a that was a very very good movie.
It uh. It had a very interesting cast, very very
good cast. Uh uh So anyway, uh, other than watching
the Ghost of Mississippi, Jim, I called you last night
(48:55):
and I said, doing the podcast tomorrow whatever, And I
just watched The Ghost of Mississippi and or is it good?
And she's the opening shot and you know, I know
it's based on true stories. I was going to actually
ask you sort of how accurate it was if they
were to have that many federal agents down there working
that case, and you told me it was kind of
(49:17):
it was Bobby Kennedy who were sending all the federal
help down there.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, you're talking about Mississippi Burning, yes, thing. And you
were asking me about other movies that might have covered
the same subject, and I said, well, there's a movie also,
a movie called Ghosts of Mississippi that that covers a
different civil rights case that happened a year earlier than
the three civil rights workers who are covered in the
(49:43):
movie Mississippi Burning. Ghosts of Mississippi stars Alec Baldwin and
was directed by Rob Reiner. But Mississippi Burning is the
movie with Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe. And it's Willem
Dafoe who plays a young Justice Department Herney who is
sort of in the mold of the Bobby Kennedy young,
(50:05):
kind of aggressive, etcetera Geene Hackman who's more veteran FBI guy,
and they sort of team up to try to deal
with this case.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I would suggest anybody who's never seen that movie to
watch it. And I don't know if that was made
between sixty seven and seventy seven, but I think.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It was made after that.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
It was made in the late eighties.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I did went Jim, I did
want to go see the Alec Baldwin movie.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, that's Ghost of the Mississippi. That's as movie.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, that's you know what.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And James Woods James Woods.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Nomination for Best Supporting Actor. Who James Woods nominated for
Best Supporting Actor for that?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
James Woods's James Woods. I used to get a call.
It happened to me three times. Okay, Oh, by the way,
here's another guy people always talk about, Oh, well, if
you're conservative, you can't get work, you know, because everything's
so liberal. And that's just like James once. If you're
(51:10):
fucking good man, if you're as good as James Wood,
it doesn't make any difference if you're scientologists with your
fucking you know, like I think Kurt vow was, you know,
not nobody gives a ship if you're if you're that
good and you're pulling in the money, and uh, you know,
we haven't really talked very much about him, but he
(51:31):
and his movies and you can bring them up while
I tell this quick story about Jimmy James Wood. Jimmy,
I call him Jimmy because he used to call me.
I lived in the San fernand Valles when I was
living with your mother and and married to your mother
and when you were a little kid. And uh, Wood
(51:52):
used to call me up once every two or three
years and say, or get a hold of me through
my agents, Michael, you know, come on over and have lunch.
I'm directing a movie and I want you to. He
always thought I was really good. James Woods always thought
I was like really good. He always wanted me to
(52:14):
put me in a movie. So of course I'm like
Jimmy James Woods, of course, or like I pop over
the hill and I would have. He lived right off
of Sunset Boulevard right there, kind of that Chris Murphy area,
I forget what they call that little little yeah, And
(52:36):
I'd always have lunch with him, and he'd always described
the movie that he wanted to make, and you know,
and then he never got it made, and but he
was always trying to get stuff done. And uh, I
remember one of them. Three times I had lunch with him,
and he was going to make a movie, and like
(52:57):
we all do, I'm not in any said saying anything
other than the fact that that they wanted to make
movies and and uh one of them had to do
with being like, had to do with child molestation. What
is the movie that Seven Degrees of Separation Kevin Bacon
(53:22):
did call It was called The Ball or something where Lee.
I think Lee Daniels produced it. I think maybe Lee
didn't produce that. And by the way, I've never spoken
about Lee Daniels on this podcast. And Lee Daniels and
Gina your mother, of course, go. I met Lee Daniels
(53:43):
through your mother, And uh, Lee.
Speaker 5 (53:46):
Daniels used to come over to the house when I
was a kid, and I'd see him around and he
was always just so nice and fun. And then when
he blew up from Monsters Ball, I was like, oh,
that's the same guy. But yeah, Lee Daniels is always
around the house.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Let me tell you very interesting story about Lee is
that when he did Monsters Ball, there was a movie
that Kevin Spacey was in. It was a big hit.
Was what was it called America Jim? What was that
thing called? Where he played the father? Turned out the
American beauty, American Beauty. Yeah, who was the kid in
(54:21):
that West something or other?
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah, West, the guy's on Yellowstone West Bentley.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
West West, Okay, yeah, so West. So he he he
got Wes Bentley involved because Lee's boyfriend husband whatever it
was at that time. It was the casting director, big, big,
(54:47):
big casting director, really good, good, talented, talented casting guy.
I don't think of his name in a moment. That's
just social with how fucking out of the fucking business
I am, and he is too. And they raised children
together and everything. But he had Wes Bentley. He got
Wes Bentley, uh, to do what was the movie you
(55:09):
just mentioned, American Beauty, No, the other one, the one
that he directed. So he had West Bentley, Okay, And
he started putting that movie together around West Bentley because
Wes Bentley had just come off America what was called
America American Beauty.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
The casting director is Billy Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Billy Hopkins, of course, and but and he was really
hot coming off of that, and I think, uh, and
so he started putting Monsters Ball together and he got
Billy Bob, you know, he got Billy Bob Thornton and
next thing, you know, he had a Barry Holly Berry
(55:53):
and uh, you know, and then Monsters Ball became, you know,
like kind of like this like like okay, well this
looks like it's happening. And then he lost that kid
that I just mentioned, the kid that he basically started,
(56:14):
West Bentley. He built that movie around the fact that
he had Wes Bentley, and then once he got everybody
else involved, Wes Bentley dropped out and was replaced by
Heath Ledger and uh like one scene or two scenes
and uh uh people ask me sometimes like, well, who
(56:34):
do you really enjoy working with? Who was uh you know,
who did you have the most fun working with? And
Lee Daniels was so much fun to be around. He
was absolutely a joy. He was so funny and so smart.
(56:56):
He was a gay black kid from Philly. I believe
you know who came to LA and became fucking Lee
Daniels And it's just an unbelievable story. But on top
of that, uh, you know, he was around a lot,
(57:18):
and he was with your mother and I a lot.
Your mother met him first, and then he wanted very
badly to manage my career and uh, al motto, who
was my agent? Like threw up his hands like no.
And I think that Lee. I think he knew that
(57:40):
Lee was not the best influence on me. I think that.
I think that, Uh, I you know, I was, Yeah,
I you know, I he might have not been the
best influence on me. But Lee used to come over.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
It seemed like he was living with us at certain
times of his life. And uh, and I loved him,
and your mother loved him.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
He was.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
He had dinner at your place and I was staying
there for a couple of weeks when you were living
off Beverle Glen.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
I remember having dinner with him.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Oh, very charming guy.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Oh and funny, god, funny as hell.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
He was talking about some young actress he had been
talking to who was working on White Men Can't Jump,
and Wesley Snipes was trying to make get somewhere with her,
and he was advising her to go ahead and.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Sleep with him.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, that's just what I would do, what I would do.
Speaker 7 (58:53):
I know.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Next thing, I know, I'm seeing movies with Lee.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Daniel's Lee dandel that guy me Daniel, Well, you know,
and then he's got Empire, that TV series, Holy crappy.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Suddenly he's a conglomerate.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, yeah, well he and he and not he. It
wasn't him. It was Ed Lamonto who for whatever I mean,
Denzel Washington and a manager. So but I guess that
was kind of special in Ed's mind. I don't know
what it was. And I think he wanted he just
(59:28):
didn't want Lee Lee to help me, right and obviously
could have and uh uh he actually uh offered me
a role of a movie that he did. He's he's
done some really good movies and then he's also done
a couple that were not quite as good. He did uh,
(59:52):
what's the name of the movie with a very very
heavy set black Precious, Precious, Yeah, precious, with the year
that he was nominated for Best Director or it was
directed Best Picture. There was him, There was Cameron, There
was Catherine Bigelow. There was somebody else that I knew
(01:00:16):
pretty intimately. Not when I say intimately, I was close
to them, and all four of them were.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Uh, you know, I just.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
For me, it was a big for me. You know,
you know, you get a lot of actors around Jim
Carrey or whatever, and yeah, of course, like yeah, well
you know, but for me, that was like this really
big deal that every like four out of the five
people or movies that were nominated, I had someonet a
connection to Katherine big Olo, not as much, and I
can't even remember who the other one was. But Ghost
(01:00:53):
of Mississippi am I S S I S S I
were about at a time.
Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Now you should leave it for the next episode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Okay, Well we'll talk about I did want to talk
about Alec Baldwin's uh version of that and uh talk
about Jimmy Woods in that one, so uh uh and
and and maybe I could get around to talking about
(01:01:23):
the original subject also, So anyway it please when you
write in, please write in and say no, Michael, you're wrong.
You're just wrong about Jim. No, You're like you you
got it confused. But the more, you know, I love
the fact that so many people had seen the uh
(01:01:49):
dary Oldman Gary, thank you almost Jennifer. Yeah, that so
many people had seen No by Mouth and New New
No by Mouth. And I think appreciated it more than
you did. Jim. You were a little bit like no.
Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
I said.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I like the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
It is just it's an intense experience.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You know, Jim, you know my son is the boss here.
I used to tell him what to do now. He
tells me what to do, and he's telling me that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
We close your mouth up, close your mouth, man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Close your mouth quick, bob in your legs. Thank you
about the place. He didn't have to do it. I
was kind of aware of it anyway. Thank you for listening.
And we're just having too much fun here. I know
that we're just going to keep doing this and doing
this and doing this.
Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
So yeah, when we first started, I was a little like, oh,
you can can you carry a podcast? Can you talk
for long enough?
Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Can you do that as long as I'm talking about
more long as that's the subject.
Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
And again it was like you should have heard the
pre show conversation, which was very quick where I went,
I walked in. I called you twice yesterday your phone
was off. I was gonna, hey, what are you gonna
talk about the podcast? Okay, what are you gonna talk about?
I'm gonna talk about you know this is Ghosts of Mississippi.
So great that that didn't happen. I think we'll be
(01:03:22):
okay to just do whatever on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
A right, well, we couldn't rename it. Try to get
eighty h G. Just fooling about kind of like blend
that in somehow. Anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Oh, we saw one girl, a comicn She was really nice.
She was a listener to the podcast. She said, I
love your podcast, and I love how you just go
on tangents and you just don't stick to your subjects
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And I loved it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
And I was like, okay, cool. You should see how
hard I try to get him to stay on one.
At this point, I'm just kind of giving up.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, all right, Jim, I'll talk to you soon, all right,
thank you. And and oh, by the way, people have
asked a number of times the music that plays us
in and plays us out? And that music was written
and performed by a girl named Bingo and her last
(01:04:19):
name I don't want binghaman. Thank you. That's Doug Stanhope's wife.
And and it was sort of Doug and and and
uh Caitlin that got me to go like, okay, I'll
try the podcast thing. Doug was has been all over
(01:04:39):
me about it doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
And he was our first guest.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yes he was. And funny, what a funny I love
him to death.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh, by the way, Oh, by the time you hear this,
I will have had my birthday, I'll be turning sixteen.
I'm sixty nine tomorrow. And now I'm putting a date
on when we did this, so when people listened to it,
it's like that's a fucking week ago. This is old.
(01:05:11):
You can cut that, all right, all right, Jim uh
talk talk to you later, okay, all right, tell me let.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
The strange big show. Which hand would you choose the
way to your way down?
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Look at someone than you coming on without shoe
I have declared against my brain in order to say
that won'ts don't seem to following so long as so
long as I only will be one time the stars,
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Jim say test one two three.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Let test one two three?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Can you guys, can you hear me now?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, can you hear me now? Working with a little
product placement into our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh, here's something that I Yeah, Kaitlin, I want you
to pay attention to. And uh, Jim, you can just
listen to this because I went back and watched not
(00:57):
not this past podcast, but one we did before.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
And five Island movies.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't know, they all get next there all the
fucking And what I realized is yet, when I was
a kid, I can't remember being about my son's age,
about ten, ten or eleven years old, and I was
at a sporting event with my father and I'm watching something,
(01:24):
some Little League game or something I forget my brother's
or something, and my dad looks over to me and
he goes, I'll give you a quarter if you can
keep your mouth closed and breathe out of your nose
for a minute. I was like, okay, so I did that,
and he gave me a quarter. But basically there was
(01:47):
a lot when I was a child. I remember my
mother and my father saying like, close your mouth, like
you know, fly is going to go in there, you know,
close your mouth just like you know what, Why is
your mouth always open? So I'm fucking watching the podcast
and my mouse, I'm like, uh huh ah, you know.
(02:11):
And it's bad enough when you're fucking ten, but when
you get to be my age, it just adds like
another six or eight years onto how old I look
with my mouth is open. I'm gonna ask me am,
I gonna ask Caitlin on the air while we're doing this,
(02:32):
because it's gonna take me a while to get used
to it. For the next couple of podcasts, I just
need you. I don't give a ship that people are knowing.
I need you to say, Dad, shut your fucking.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Mouth a quarter, close your mouth and pull your shirt down.
Stop kicking your feet so much.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, yeah, I mean you know, well if you I've
been having a of running war with him, like somehow
it's not as close as where you are. I'm like,
I'm always like, can you get a little tighter? Can
you get a little tighter? I'm a fucking actor. I
want that clothes shot.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know, somehow my waist.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, but anywhere it's it's getting better. And uh So
I wanted to mention right off the bat that I
have read a lot of comments about the podcast. Yeah,
(03:39):
YouTube comments, I guess they are. And what I really
like is when they're like, no, Richard Harris is not
from England, from Scotland, you dim what you know.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Wasn't in that Aliens movie.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I got that. Yeah, so keep up the oversight. Uh.
I really enjoyed that. And and of course I learned
that way. Uh. And I thought, like, Jim, is there
still a United Kingdom? Can I just count Scotland and
(04:19):
Ireland as part of like the.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Northern Northern Ireland?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think? But if they're from southern Ireland and I
say they're.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
From well, the southern part seceeded almost one hundred years ago,
not white could be considered part of the UK.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
In fact, they were neutral during World War Two.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So well, you know, somebody said, you know, if Richard
Harris is around, he probably knocked you out him for
calling him English. So it's good. Uh. And it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
There's a there's a funny clip online of an interviewer
who is interviewing you know, Killian Murphy, Yes, and Tom
Hardy at the same time, and he's going, oh, you
guys are you're British, right, and Killy Murphy goes no,
I'm Irish. Well, well you're British, and Tom Hardy's like no, no, no,
he's Irish. Don't fuck that up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Too, fucking that's different.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, brilliant actors. I saw Killian Murphy and a a
movie that he did, Jim that had to do with them,
uh with them. It had to do with World War
(05:48):
two and the attempt I believe that was made on
a German general's life. I think they may be assassinated
by throwing a bomb underneath his uh A vehicle.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
That's probably that's probably the the assassination of of a
s S guy named Hydric and Reinhardt Heidrich in Czechoslovakia
and they killed him by doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
British agents snuck some weaponry in and they killed him
by doing that. They got together, I think with some
Czech underground fighters and the Germans retaliated by annihilating the
town of Lady, killing thousand people. The whole town. They
(06:42):
went into the town and wiped killed everybody. Everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, men, women and children, killed them all, wiped out
the whole town because it was nearby near the sea. Yeah,
that's a very famous.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Anthrop Well what why what is anthropoid? Why would it
be called that? Jim which that even means?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'd think of that in the science fiction.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It is. That is the name of it. I remember
it had. It's sort of an odd name, but it
is really good. It's really good.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I read that's not the only movie version of that there.
I mean that that that was fictionalized or adapted for
screen back in the fifties.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Well, the twenty sixteen film Anthropoid refers to Operation Anthropoid two,
mission to assassinate Ryan Hard Heydrich, a high ranking Nazi official.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Anyway, I remember too, you know, growing up, we would
always go to the movies, but every once in a
while you would take me to these like it's really
like it's kind of a Lemley's, the Lemley's Theater over
in Encino. Yeah, and before they redid it, it was
like it would show like just kind of like low
budget movies. Is a crappy theater or whatever, but it's
(07:58):
really fun. And you took me to a movie called
In the Tall Grass which featured Killian Murphy, that was
so irish that it needed like subtitles.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yes, I talked about all the Michel was needed subtitles.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It was called The wind Shakes the Barley. That was
the name of the movie.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, who directed that? That might have been? That feels
like like, uh that was ken Loach. Oh, ken Loach,
he's the other one. Oh yeah, ken Loaches. You know
I get those two Mike Lee and ken Loach mixed
up because ken Loach.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I was getting them confused too.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. Ken Loach is also a filmmaker who does h
relatively low budget movies in Northern England. And he's got
some great stuff that he did and and and of
course that's one of them. I've always liked, uh watching
(08:56):
movies that have a year of peing. Uh. So somebody asked,
I was, yes, you know Between Two Ferns, you know that,
you know that show? Ask an actor I forgot, do
you think you would have like as you know, you know,
(09:19):
do you think you would be as successful as sure
if you didn't have that British accent?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I forgot it was Benic.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That was pretty funny. Anyway, I watched last night. The
only really two things that I well, this is what
I said. I already said this to you, Jim, I'll
ask calein this uh westcot four eyes and can't see.
(10:01):
I asked my ten year old this just this joke
and the answer.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He probably got it too.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He did. He didn't get it, but when I when
I told him, he went like like, yeah, cool, dad, Yeah,
go fund yourself. Uh Mississippi all right? Four eyes fucking okay, okay, okay.
The only thing that I ever really knew about Mississippi
and the only like cool thing I ever growing up
(10:31):
and up until this point, up until like right now,
have ever known about am I asked about Mississippi is
that it's fun to spell it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Am I the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's the only like, that's all I ever knew about it.
And yeah, last night I ran across a film with
Gene Ackman in it. And yeah, it's called Mississippi Burning?
Is that correct, Jim, Yes, yes, and it workers got
(11:12):
a little role in it, and uh Billy Bib, Francis
mc yeah, I did say that. Francis McDormand and Gene Hackman.
Their scenes in that movie are so good. She plays
uh the wife of uh Billy Bibbott. Who am I
(11:34):
talking about if we've talked about him on the show before? Guy? No,
guy from one floor of the Cuckarson. The foe's in
the movie, of course, Brad Brad, Yeah, Brad. She plays
Brad Dura's wife and Brad dorific this you know KKK
guy And she's not happy because he's asked her to
(11:54):
to tell the police that that that he was with
her for thirty twenty minutes or thirty forty an hour
whatever it is. Yeah, an alibi. Yeah. When when the
three what was it called?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They were civil rights workers?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
They were it's a very famous case of three civil
rights workers who were killed. They were in Mississippi in
the summer of sixty four trying to do voter registration,
trying to do civil rights work and h and they
were arrested, put in jail. They were released late at
(12:39):
night into the hands basically of some waiting ku Klux.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Klan members and murdered.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yes, their bodies were buried in an earthen dam, and
they were uncovered some weeks later and a big investigation ensued.
They were three civil rights workers named Cheney, Goodman, and Schwerner.
Those names are real famous and in the history of
civil rights, a huge case, a huge incident at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, I you know, I put that on last night
to watch it and it was really good. It was
really really good. And Jeane Han Hackman, Francis mcderman scenes,
there's there's there's a scene where Gene Hackman is talking
(13:29):
to her. She says, have you ever been married? And
he says, yeah, I was married once. It's an FBI
agent and so like I was here and I was
there and other man's It's like we usually think about
Gene Hackman and how brilliant he was. It's you see,
it's this sort of tough Popeye like character. Yeah, yeah,
(13:50):
you know, from the French Connection or Bill in The
un Forgiven, all those sort of characters that I've always
kind of seen him that way. Uh and uh was
he the guy in the Conversation Jim or Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so adventure. Yeah, I've always seen him in that kind
(14:15):
of tough guy light. There's a moment where he talks
about why he's not married to Francis McDorman in that
movie and you can kind of see his soul as
an actor. I mean it is really like kind of
an incredible moment, especially because it's gene hacked. It's almost
(14:39):
like uh uh yeah, some yeah, it's it's it's it's
almost like Clint Eastwood crying, you know on camera anyway
(15:00):
people talk, people talking about people are.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
In trouble getting out getting a picture of that one.
But no, I know, I'm sure we could ai generate
one without too much trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
But I know, I know, I have always absolutely we
were talking about films that top ten films and stuff,
and at some point we're going to have to talk
about top five westerns, and uh oh absolutely. Unforgiven has
always been a movie that I have gone back to
(15:34):
and watched over and over and over again. And to me,
that is a pretty perfect movie.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
And I.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Really enjoyed that movie. Like I think, we talked a
couple of podcasts ago about the Shootest, which was John
Wayne is kind of the same.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, well yeah, it is kind of a send off
to an era sort of movie a little bit in
the same way that maybe The Wild Bunch was. You know,
their day is kind of over. You know what I
loved about the movie was that I kind of saw
it almost in a way as Eastwood commenting on the
character that made him famous, the guy from the spaghetti
(16:18):
westerns from Good to Bad and the Ugly and and
a handful of dollars, et cetera, and and saying, this
is where that guy's life will take him. It takes
him to this kind of lonely this this guy who
can't make it as a farmer, this bill money guy
at the beginning of this thing, who chas every time
(16:41):
I think I'm out, I get pulled back in, and
he gets pulled back into that old gunslinger life.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And it just has some incredibly.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That the Godfather got Father three, Godfather three.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Every time I think I'm out, they pulled.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Father Part three.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Godfather.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh yeah, Okay, I didn't know anybody ever saw that movie. Well,
the fact that you can quote from it is, uh,
I remember from it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And how miscast it was.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Uh well, she came back and uh uh a couple
of daughter was her name? The director? Yeah, she came
back and basically fuck you you know with what it
was the last the Bill Murray wasn't. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
We did with Lost in translation lost translation.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah she did. She came back with a
big fuck you because people really really took her apart
in that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And she and she remade a Clint Eastwood movie, The Beguile.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh she did.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I could never quite understand that movie. I don't. I
just saw Clint Eastwood's version of it, and I was.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Just, yeah, well, the director of that movie I like
quite a bit. Don Siegel, don will help him get
his start?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Didn't down?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Did he direct Play Misty for Me and then done?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
No? No, Well Eastwood directed Play Misty.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
For Me and that was his first picture.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, but but Don Siegel has a small part in it. Yeah, right,
plays he plays a bartender. He's got.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He's got a small.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Part in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers too, and
he directed the original on that. Don Siegel is a
really interesting, really interesting director.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I liked his work a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He directed, he directed a.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, he directed a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Jim who uh is Kevin McCarthy who was the star
of the first Invasion of the Body Yes, yes, he
and I worked together. I think he might have been
in deadly intentions.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh and and uh ah and he was a very
interesting guy that I got to talk to because Kevin McCarthy,
if I'm not misstake, and I had conversations with him
about James Dean, and I think that he was a friend.
I think he would have been closer than not not
(19:23):
not like I think that Jamie Farr, who I've wanted
to have on the show for a long time but
we haven't been able to pull that off. Uh. He
he knew Dean a little bit. But you know, when
I was talking to Kevin McCarthy, Uh, I think Kevin
knew him pretty well. And you know, when I was
a young guy, like hanging around my acting class, Uh,
(19:48):
you know, I'm usually all the time in my life,
I'm just me. I'd never like fucking put on any
I'm just like, yeah, this is me, fucking you know,
like you don't like it. When I was as a kid,
I used to always only mostly an acting classes or
somewhere around like an acting friend, you know whatever. I
kind of put on my James Dean moat, but going
(20:11):
to my James Dean mode, which I don't even know
what the fuck it was, moody, you know, like kind
of sullen and figure charming at the same time, you know,
tortured from this like upper middle class family popping back
(20:32):
and forth the Lake Havasu. But this torture like am
I straight or gay?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
That was usually after you'd seen East of Me and
then you go in to that mode. Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Ghosts of Mississippi. So that's that's a movie. Uh. And
I can't remember now who directed it, but it was
somebody really good, that's all.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Briner did go to Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And in Mississippi Burning had Alan Parker directed a fabulous
you know series of movies including Midnight Express, Yes and Fame,
Yes the Moon.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I also wanted to mention a lot of the Mississippi
Burning was nominated for seven awards, seven Academy Awards, and
won one for Best Cinematography.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But yeah, Alan, who was a cinematographer that was interesting
to know.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Peter Bazoo?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who is this? I always forget this guy's name, and
I loved him. I loved him to death. Him and
his wife. Who's the cinematographer on Navies Seals?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh Alonso, Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
John, thank you boy, Jim, you still got it.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Man, He's a great cinematographer.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah. Well, I know that he did.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
He did Shineertown, he did China Down.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh. I thought that was Oh I wanted to make
a you know, I saw a thing come out again,
you know, like interesting things to know about Tombstone and
you know, here's ten things that you didn't know about
the filming of Tombstone Tombstone and now that I know,
Like like when a site comes up, I went into
(22:24):
full Like what do you call it? When somebody's like
fucking with it with their phone and they're like, you know,
going like I just kept going on their set of
blowing them up, just going back on the site. This
is idiotic. You know, I don't know where you get
this crap. You know, I've been and I think I
kind of disappeared, but it was getting you know, one
(22:45):
hundred thousand people watching it. And basically and number six,
Michael Bean, who played Johnny Ringo not used to the heat,
and during the famous scene where he's at doc Holiday
was passing out and you know, couldn't take the heat.
(23:09):
And therefore basically what you're watching it's not a performance,
but Michael Bean trying to hold himself up because he's
so close to pass.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You know, you go fuck fuck are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You what an idiotics stud? Bit stupid? First of all,
you know, I went to high school in Lake Havasoux City, folks. Okay,
Lake Havasoux City did not have a weather station. But
it's really close to the Needles. And you go back
into the seventies and you look at the hottest it's
(23:42):
about fifteen minutes from Needles. Okay, yeah, you look at
the hottest city in the country back all through the
seventies when I was there in the eighties, and and
and it was always Needles or Death Valley. Those are
the two places. And Lake Havasu was just as hot
as Needles. The idea that like I was like, I
(24:06):
couldn't handle the he had a fucking trailer like right
next to me. Well, I did not what I wanted
to say about that scene. Also, which I think that
I've probably said.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Before, what scene exactly are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That? The fucking I'll be your Huckleberry scene? Okay, I'll
be your Huckleberry scene, The most famous line in the
movie Val Kilmer's brilliant blah blah blah uh that scene
in the movie I'll be your huckleberryer. Now, first of all,
The way that I remember it, okay, is that that
(24:43):
was not shot with the first unit. Okay, So George
Cosmonos was nowhere in fucking sight, nobody Kurt was fucking
and Kurt would not have come on to oversee, like
what what what a second? Kurt would not come on
(25:03):
to be looking at me and Val do that scene,
just like I wouldn't like when they're talking about Johnny Ringo,
I'm not gonna fucking show up on the set and
like study them and let you what are they saying.
It's just fucking rude. It's just being kind of a
rude thing to do. Inappropriate, Yeah, definitely inappropriate. So anyway,
that scene is the most famous, well you can talk
(25:27):
about one where I spin the gun and he spins
the cup. That's pretty well liked scene also, but the
scene where he says I'll be your huckleberry was shot
with about six people there, okay. And I'd like to
make this point. First of all, whatever that website is,
just go fuck yourself. Where do you come up? How
(25:49):
do you just like make shit up? And they you know,
they made up a bunch of shit also about other people,
and you know, like any way, I just don't. Don't
do it. Why put something up that is obviously you
don't know what you're talking about. I guess if you
get enough clicks, that's the answer.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
And there's no consequence, you know, hear the fucking tell
them that those consequences when you start talking about me
fucking passing out.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And that's why I said, all right, let's do it
with a smile because I was so you know. But
anyway that that that sequence that we shot in the movie.
I've said this before. I really want to make this clear. Okay,
and the boys that are helping you with this, they
(26:44):
can cut this little fucking part, you know. Inside joke
man came and got like, uh uh, you know that
was shot. What had happened was And I've said this before,
but I'm gonna say it again. The day before we
(27:06):
were supposed to shoot that scene, Jim Jackson came to
me and he said, Michael, I want if you want to,
uh we know where the location is. You're going to
be shooting this scene tomorrow. I think you and vounce
you go out and you know, maybe take a look
at the location, see what you want to do. So
we went out and we rehearse that scene. And I
(27:30):
have talked before on this podcast about the fact that,
like Vall and I didn't really talk to each other,
but when we had to do business, there was a
working relationship, and we were the ones who decided to
make it a tight one. We were the one standing
next to each other, he and I. You were to
(27:50):
drive through choreograph, Yes, yes, exactly, circling each other.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Tight.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I thought that was great.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But it was Fraker who went, oh, I didn't think
you had it in you and he steps out of
the darkness into the light. Yeah, that was Franker.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Fraker.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fraker was there when we Franker, if you want to
call anybody a director of that sequence it, you know,
setting up the camera, it was William Fraker. Okay, Franker
was there now and I was there, Val was there,
Jim Jackson was probably there, and then there would have
(28:35):
been a wardrobe person to make sure, and it wouldn't
have been the wardrobe, head of ward not even the
head of wardrobe, the person who's on the set. The
head of the set wardrobe probably wouldn't have been them
because they were off for the first unit shooting. Okay,
so it would have been the third wardrobe person, the
third makeup person, and maybe there was a camera operator there.
(29:00):
I'm guessing Franker might have done it himself. I don't
remember frank or picking up camera the other guy. We
were just talking about the one you just Alonzo.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah that Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He was famous for handheld Yeah, shooting handheld.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, who's uh? I like you like me?
You really like me?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Sally Fiel? Yeah, she when she she worked with him
and she won an Academy Award when she played an
organizer of Norman Ray. Norman Ray Yeah shot that also.
But going back, I would I want to stay on
this like I'm staying on fucking the Ghost of Mississippi. Yeah,
he's got to talk to the whole episode about the
(29:44):
Ghost of Mississippi. I fucking really haven't gotten there yet.
Half hour and already.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
What do you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I want to talk about the Ghost of Mississi. All right,
we're thirty minutes in. Now you've mentioned it one time.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Listen, this is the way that imagine out there, anybody
who's paying attention, imagine this is how my brain works.
It's just like, you know, this is how I lived
my life, and uh, this is how my brain works,
goes from this to that to this to that, and
it's hard for me to concentrate, except for when you're
(30:21):
real bad ADHD like I am.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
One of the things that identifies you as an ADHD
is jumping from like I am now jumping from from
now I'm gonna explain to you about my ADHD is
there is one identifying factor among ten or whatever, which
is hyper focus, hyperfucus on things. And uh, that's what
(30:45):
I do with acting. It's like, I just hyper focus
on that, on that character. And uh, I can remember
I was in Bisbee with Jennifer and he's laughing at
least my mouth least. I'm not sitting here going like
I'm working on folks, I'm working on it. I'm working
(31:07):
on that.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Uh what was that talking about a couple of things?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, you hyper focused on a buncket. I was down
to Bisbee. I was down at Bisbee and something came
up about uh ADHD, and I was like, I don't.
I don't have ADHD, you know, because I've never been
you know, I used to go to a psychiatrists and
(31:34):
therapists all the time. People are always trying to figure
me out, like the fuck is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Was?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He like, I need to be And nobody ever, I
don't remember anybody using ADHD. And at one point I
was in Bisbee and I was with my son, who
at that point was probably seven or maybe eight, and uh,
I said, and I was with Jennifer and I said,
eighty I'm not eighty eight HD. You know, of course
(32:01):
my son he pulls this phone out immediately, fucking eighty
HD symptoms, all right, like number one. You know, it's
hard to count, you know, And like we went through it,
and I was like nine out of ten at that point.
I was just like all right, getting back to the
thing that I did with val H. So that was
(32:25):
what you call, uh, like a what do you call
that gym? Not a breakaway crew, like a second unit.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Second second unit usually is.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And I've always said being a second unit director on
a Jim Cameron movie is the most difficult job that
you have. Jim's like, okay, I want you to go
shoot this like that. Thank you come back with it.
You know, somebody comes running back. No not, I didn't
ask no, like to do it this way and change
(32:57):
that and put it back.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You know, Ron Ron Shelton did second unit on a
film but he wrote called under Fire with Nick Multi
directed by Roger Spottiswood, and he said the experience was
great preparation for when he stepped into director when he
got the shot to do. No, he hadn't directed before
he bud so he.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Was doing it with Jim. He wasn't you said he
was director for Spottingswood.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
For spottist Wood. Yeah, he was the second unit for Spottiswood.
But he thought being a second doing second unit.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Was was a great It wasn't work for Jim Cameron.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
No, No, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm just I'm just saying. You know that like whenever
you shoot ends up on the screen, so imagine you know. Uh,
thank god he couldn't play Kris. As I've said many times. Now,
we're gonna have chim on. We're waiting for the Avatar
to come out. Uh just released the trailer they did. Yeah, yeah,
(33:59):
so what what's the release date? That's what about? Yeah,
he'll be Herember December, I think it was. Okay, he's
promised to come.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
By December nineteenth.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
December nineteenth, okay, Well that's exciting. Uh so, uh, I
just want to go back to the tombstone thing. So
the way that I also remember because after he kills me,
after Doc Hallig kills Johnny Ringo and he's like talking
(34:36):
to him, Kurt Russell kind of runs in at the
end like oh, what the fuck did I miss? Or
we're you know, like it's kind of a tough moment
for Kurt. These are a couple of times in that
movie where Kurt has to kind of like running after
like all the actions over, like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
What I miss? What I meant?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I love Kurt? I love Kurt. I put it out
there to somebody that I saw recently, and I said,
because he knows Kurt, he knows Kurt's best friend. And
about two three months ago I put it out there like,
please tell Kurt. They're like, God, Jesus what I'd love
to talk to him about it because he knows where
all the bodies are, very he knows everything about you.
(35:25):
What I I just know a little bit, And I
fucking always shoot my mouth off about what I know,
what I knows I know, and uh, I know, I
felt fine when I was fucking shooting that list getting
uh but Uh yeah, I kind of put it out
there and then I didn't hear anything at all, and
I thought, maybe Kurt doesn't like me. There's uh you know,
(35:49):
because I I do say that he didn't direct the movie.
But I you know, Kurt would be the first one
to sit here and go like, yeah, no, I mean
I did I look at it? Was I location scouting.
No did I edit the movie? No? Did I cast
the movie. I'm sure he was involved in the casting.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Of the movie. I'm sure, but uh, you know, the
movie never would have gotten off the ground.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Never would have made would gotten Yeah, Kurt Russell's responsive,
totally responding, and more than anything else, he is responsible
for when it fell apart exactly. They didn't They didn't wait.
They didn't wait a day or two to direct, I
(36:32):
mean to fire Kevin. They waited four weeks. So that
meant that that our one hundred and forty five page
script had to be cut down to one hundred and
ten page script. And it was really Kurt and probably Jim,
maybe Andy Vanya, I don't know who had to decide
(36:54):
which scenes were going to stay and which scenes were
were we not ever going to be able to even shoot.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
And even a prospect of the movie not even recovery yet. Yes, Yes,
that weekend was terilesus because it was a club's call
as to whether the movie would even resume.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, And you know, Jim, you and I have talked
also about the fact that movies that actually, you know,
get four weeks into shooting and then they just never
get made, and that that movie probably had a very
very good chance of that happening to it if Kurt
had not come in and powered his way and had
(37:35):
been the leader of that group, just like a like
a quarterback and a football team who's coaching.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
He definitely took the ball, He took control, give.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Me the ball. This has got to go, This has
got to go, This has got to go. And he
told the women in the movie, these are scenes that
you're going to lose. And he told uh, Sam Elliott,
these are scenes that you're gonna use lose, and Bill
and over here on our side, it was basically Jim
(38:07):
Jack saying, well, we're not going to be able to
do this one. We're not going to be able to
do that one. We're not going to be able to
do this one. But if it hadn't been for Kurt
that that movie just would not get made, would not
have would would probably not have ever existed, because they
also brought in I was wondering, I need to look
(38:28):
at the credits. But they brought in a director before Cosmodos,
or as Cosmodos was coming into town, or as Cosmodo
was getting up to speed. They brought it in a
director and or writer writer, director, and he's kind of
John Fostano. Does that sound yeah? Yeah, do you know
(38:51):
that name John? Look him up because I've never mentioned
this boy, John Faustin. I think his name is John
Fostano something like that. They brought him and he was
a director, and he helped kind of rewrite and and
and decide with Kurt was going to go and how
they were going to stitch it all back together again.
(39:13):
This is why I want so badly Kurt to I'd
love to fucking talk to him, because he I know
five percent of what happened. He knows ninety percent of
what happened, and I know he's but anyway, I put
it out there to somebody that said they knew his
right hand man. Uh, it would have been it would
(39:33):
have been like uh uh, somebody said to you, hey, Jim,
can you get a hold of Michael and ask him this?
And you would you know, you'd I put that, yeah,
and I said, well tell him please. For the love
of God, hopefully I haven't said anything that, like, you know,
has upset him in any way.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And uh. There was one other really stupid fucking thing
that not not that I do a lot of stupid things.
One stupid thing that I did about ten it's probably
even in the middle of my stroke and like being
on stage and tired whatever. At one point somebody asked
me about Tombstone, and I basically described it as being,
(40:19):
you know, altered because of the working conditions, because the
director got fired and we had to lose some stuff,
and the way that it was edited that it turned
out it was kind of me and vow who ended
up kind of And I think I used the word
(40:40):
stealing the show, which is like, you know, go fuck yourself. Mike, Oh,
you didn't notice Kurt in there. You didn't notice fucking
Sam Elliott, you didn't notice Stephen Lang. Oh, it was
just about you. Yeah. So that's the only other thing
I can ever remember saying. And if I was Kurt
(41:01):
and I saw that I'd be like, I tell that
I'm gonna go fuck himself. But anyway, I ran into
this guy. And I went to the San Diego Comic
Con to promote the podcast, and I know, I was
down there and I ran into that guy and he said, oh,
by the way, I you know, have you heard from Kurt?
And I was like, no, no, I don't think Kurt
any and and and he said, well, you know, I
(41:23):
passed on that information. That guy said that he would
pass on the information and acted like, oh, yeah, no,
Kurt would love to talk to him. Kurt would love
to talk to him about this kind of stuff, you know.
And so uh, anyway, I mean, he's the guy who
really knows everything about the movie. There's also another producer
(41:45):
on the movie who lives down in Arizona in Bisbee.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I get him on a podcast or oh yeah, that
writer you were talking about is named John Persano.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
And Johnson what what what did he? What did? He?
Speaker 7 (42:02):
Was?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
He right? Just write?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
He directed a few things.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
He directed six movies, but he was known as kind
of a script doctor and he and he and some
of the movies that he's lifted as a script doctor
include Tombstone, Diehard with a Vengeance and Judge Dread okay,
and uh, he's also a weapons expert. He's written for
things like American Handgunner Magazine.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
He had a lot of American hand Gunner Magazine. Is
that the hand Gunner?
Speaker 4 (42:34):
American Handgunner Magazine? Wow? And and he's worked on movies
like Another forty eight Hours, the sequel to the Eddie
Murphy Nick Naughty movie.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Worked on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well, I you know, I have talked a lot about
Tombstone and uh, you know about this process.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
And another thing that's kind of remarkable is that they
fired Kevin after four weeks and didn't use his footage.
He had four weeks of footage it went unused.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, well still and a half hour before about the
fact that like I went nose to nose and not
really nose to nose because he was taller than me.
But Moses fucking uh who am I thinking about? Played
Moses Jim Heston. Yeah, Charlton Heston. And that's when you know,
(43:34):
Charlton Heston was not sick at that time. And I
used to drive to work with him. And it was
the thing about Heston too, It was like, you know,
he used to get in this little van and there'd
be like six of us crammed in there, and he
would like, you know, take it from Tucson to Mescal
and take that same like you know, he was No,
he didn't have that whole fuckingom a movie star. I
(43:56):
need a driver, I.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Need like entourage.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And no, no, no, no, no, he was. He was
really sweet. He was a very very nice guy. And
uh and and of course that was before he got
Sickond we talked talked about this before. I mean, he's
basically hardly in the movie. They had to you know,
like not shoot that one scene. According to there's another
(44:20):
producer on that.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Movie, right, So the producers on Wikipedia is James Jacks,
Sean Daniel, and Bob MIZERROUSI.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Okay, Bob Mizerowski. Bob Mizerowski is another guy who knows
where all the bodies are. Yeah, he lives in Arizona
and I talked to him. But and we've talked about
this before. The scene that I had with uh when
I forgot his name already Hester thank you is uh
uh you know it was you know me is when
(44:50):
he is when Val and Curd are laying around. Anyway,
we have talked about this in the podcast before, but god,
I'd love to have Kurt Russell on. And you know,
Kurt has been I've seen him like going through his movies.
They have sites now which are like actors dissecting their
(45:12):
favorite most popular movies, and so he'll talk about the
thing and he'll talk about to exactly. And one of
the things that he said is that he he said, well,
you know, I'm no kind of got a bias here,
(45:36):
so you can't really basically said, I can't really brag
about how good the movie is, uh in a sort
of a political ways. But you won't find very many
movies around that that are as quote Westerns. I think
he was talking about are as quotable, which is interesting
(45:56):
because when I signed autographs for people, they a lot
of times will say, oh, hey, could you say all right, longer,
let's do it? Uh? Could you call me an ignorant wretch?
Can you? Uh?
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Well, it's funny because we were at we were at
Comic Con promoting the podcast, and you know, there's people
lining up to get your autograph whatever, But just behind
the booth are people walking by. And the most heard
thing that I said is people would walk by see
you and go on, Johnny, looks like someone just walked
over your grave and then just keep walking.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah. Well people always say that to me, and I'm
always saying that was my fucking line. So why don't
you go for quote me? You know you need to
quote Yeah. Yeah. But but the thing that's interesting also
about that is that that then when you go to
the Cameron movies, come with me. If you want to
live the future, Now what year? I like to keep
(46:55):
this handy for close encounters somebody wake up here. I
mean like there's like forty quotes that people want.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
And so.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Anyway, between Tombstone, Aliens and Terminator, Uh, there, they are
very quotable movies. Now I can't We were talking about
Mississippi burning, Well, yeah, we were.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Well I think we've already passed the point which we're
really going to get into it. Well, I just wanted
to mention talking about Kurt Russell. I love horror movies.
I'm a horror movie junkie, but it's kind of harder
for me to get into not even just horror movies,
but like kind of the earlier movies, you know, seventies
and eighties. I like a lot of the more modern stuff.
But I watched the Thing for the first time recently.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
His Thing is so good.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
It is it might be one of my favorite horror movies.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Definite vast improvement over the original.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's so good, and vast improvement over the original where
there was a thing but for what's I know his
name of the director?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, who.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
John Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Carpenter. Yeah, was there a thing before for John Carpenter?
Speaker 3 (48:11):
There was, Yeah, way back in the fifties.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, some black and white.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Now have they done that since?
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Yeah, they redid it like twenty eleven with I think
Joel Edgar tandl And it wasn't bad.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, Well but the John Carpenter Kurt Russell one
was really good and it was kind of coming on
the heels of alien.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Well, I haven't seen vibe about it.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
That was a that was a very very good movie.
It uh. It had a very interesting cast, very very
good cast. Uh uh So anyway, uh, other than watching
the Ghost of Mississippi, Jim, I called you last night
(48:55):
and I said, doing the podcast tomorrow whatever, And I
just watched The Ghost of Mississippi and or is it good?
And she's the opening shot and you know, I know
it's based on true stories. I was going to actually
ask you sort of how accurate it was if they
were to have that many federal agents down there working
that case, and you told me it was kind of
(49:17):
it was Bobby Kennedy who were sending all the federal
help down there.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, you're talking about Mississippi Burning, yes, thing. And you
were asking me about other movies that might have covered
the same subject, and I said, well, there's a movie also,
a movie called Ghosts of Mississippi that that covers a
different civil rights case that happened a year earlier than
the three civil rights workers who are covered in the
(49:43):
movie Mississippi Burning. Ghosts of Mississippi stars Alec Baldwin and
was directed by Rob Reiner. But Mississippi Burning is the
movie with Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe. And it's Willem
Dafoe who plays a young Justice Department Herney who is
sort of in the mold of the Bobby Kennedy young,
(50:05):
kind of aggressive, etcetera Geene Hackman who's more veteran FBI guy,
and they sort of team up to try to deal
with this case.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I would suggest anybody who's never seen that movie to
watch it. And I don't know if that was made
between sixty seven and seventy seven, but I think.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It was made after that.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
It was made in the late eighties.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I did went Jim, I did
want to go see the Alec Baldwin movie.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, that's Ghost of the Mississippi. That's as movie.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, that's you know what.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And James Woods James Woods.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Nomination for Best Supporting Actor. Who James Woods nominated for
Best Supporting Actor for that?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
James Woods's James Woods. I used to get a call.
It happened to me three times. Okay, Oh, by the way,
here's another guy people always talk about, Oh, well, if
you're conservative, you can't get work, you know, because everything's
so liberal. And that's just like James once. If you're
(51:10):
fucking good man, if you're as good as James Wood,
it doesn't make any difference if you're scientologists with your
fucking you know, like I think Kurt vow was, you know,
not nobody gives a ship if you're if you're that
good and you're pulling in the money, and uh, you know,
we haven't really talked very much about him, but he
(51:31):
and his movies and you can bring them up while
I tell this quick story about Jimmy James Wood. Jimmy,
I call him Jimmy because he used to call me.
I lived in the San fernand Valles when I was
living with your mother and and married to your mother
and when you were a little kid. And uh, Wood
(51:52):
used to call me up once every two or three
years and say, or get a hold of me through
my agents, Michael, you know, come on over and have lunch.
I'm directing a movie and I want you to. He
always thought I was really good. James Woods always thought
I was like really good. He always wanted me to
(52:14):
put me in a movie. So of course I'm like
Jimmy James Woods, of course, or like I pop over
the hill and I would have. He lived right off
of Sunset Boulevard right there, kind of that Chris Murphy area,
I forget what they call that little little yeah, And
(52:36):
I'd always have lunch with him, and he'd always described
the movie that he wanted to make, and you know,
and then he never got it made, and but he
was always trying to get stuff done. And uh, I
remember one of them. Three times I had lunch with him,
and he was going to make a movie, and like
(52:57):
we all do, I'm not in any said saying anything
other than the fact that that they wanted to make
movies and and uh one of them had to do
with being like, had to do with child molestation. What
is the movie that Seven Degrees of Separation Kevin Bacon
(53:22):
did call It was called The Ball or something where Lee.
I think Lee Daniels produced it. I think maybe Lee
didn't produce that. And by the way, I've never spoken
about Lee Daniels on this podcast. And Lee Daniels and
Gina your mother, of course, go. I met Lee Daniels
(53:43):
through your mother, And uh, Lee.
Speaker 5 (53:46):
Daniels used to come over to the house when I
was a kid, and I'd see him around and he
was always just so nice and fun. And then when
he blew up from Monsters Ball, I was like, oh,
that's the same guy. But yeah, Lee Daniels is always
around the house.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Let me tell you very interesting story about Lee is
that when he did Monsters Ball, there was a movie
that Kevin Spacey was in. It was a big hit.
Was what was it called America Jim? What was that
thing called? Where he played the father? Turned out the
American beauty, American Beauty. Yeah, who was the kid in
(54:21):
that West something or other?
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah, West, the guy's on Yellowstone West Bentley.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
West West, Okay, yeah, so West. So he he he
got Wes Bentley involved because Lee's boyfriend husband whatever it
was at that time. It was the casting director, big, big,
(54:47):
big casting director, really good, good, talented, talented casting guy.
I don't think of his name in a moment. That's
just social with how fucking out of the fucking business
I am, and he is too. And they raised children
together and everything. But he had Wes Bentley. He got
Wes Bentley, uh, to do what was the movie you
(55:09):
just mentioned, American Beauty, No, the other one, the one
that he directed. So he had West Bentley, Okay, And
he started putting that movie together around West Bentley because
Wes Bentley had just come off America what was called
America American Beauty.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
The casting director is Billy Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Billy Hopkins, of course, and but and he was really
hot coming off of that, and I think, uh, and
so he started putting Monsters Ball together and he got
Billy Bob, you know, he got Billy Bob Thornton and
next thing, you know, he had a Barry Holly Berry
(55:53):
and uh, you know, and then Monsters Ball became, you know,
like kind of like this like like okay, well this
looks like it's happening. And then he lost that kid
that I just mentioned, the kid that he basically started,
(56:14):
West Bentley. He built that movie around the fact that
he had Wes Bentley, and then once he got everybody
else involved, Wes Bentley dropped out and was replaced by
Heath Ledger and uh like one scene or two scenes
and uh uh people ask me sometimes like, well, who
(56:34):
do you really enjoy working with? Who was uh you know,
who did you have the most fun working with? And
Lee Daniels was so much fun to be around. He
was absolutely a joy. He was so funny and so smart.
(56:56):
He was a gay black kid from Philly. I believe
you know who came to LA and became fucking Lee
Daniels And it's just an unbelievable story. But on top
of that, uh, you know, he was around a lot,
(57:18):
and he was with your mother and I a lot.
Your mother met him first, and then he wanted very
badly to manage my career and uh, al motto, who
was my agent? Like threw up his hands like no.
And I think that Lee. I think he knew that
(57:40):
Lee was not the best influence on me. I think that.
I think that, Uh, I you know, I was, Yeah,
I you know, I he might have not been the
best influence on me. But Lee used to come over.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
It seemed like he was living with us at certain
times of his life. And uh, and I loved him,
and your mother loved him.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
He was.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
He had dinner at your place and I was staying
there for a couple of weeks when you were living
off Beverle Glen.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
I remember having dinner with him.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Oh, very charming guy.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Oh and funny, god, funny as hell.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
He was talking about some young actress he had been
talking to who was working on White Men Can't Jump,
and Wesley Snipes was trying to make get somewhere with her,
and he was advising her to go ahead and.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Sleep with him.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, that's just what I would do, what I would do.
Speaker 7 (58:53):
I know.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Next thing, I know, I'm seeing movies with Lee.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Daniel's Lee dandel that guy me Daniel, Well, you know,
and then he's got Empire, that TV series, Holy crappy.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Suddenly he's a conglomerate.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, yeah, well he and he and not he. It
wasn't him. It was Ed Lamonto who for whatever I mean,
Denzel Washington and a manager. So but I guess that
was kind of special in Ed's mind. I don't know
what it was. And I think he wanted he just
(59:28):
didn't want Lee Lee to help me, right and obviously
could have and uh uh he actually uh offered me
a role of a movie that he did. He's he's
done some really good movies and then he's also done
a couple that were not quite as good. He did uh,
(59:52):
what's the name of the movie with a very very
heavy set black Precious, Precious, Yeah, precious, with the year
that he was nominated for Best Director or it was
directed Best Picture. There was him, There was Cameron, There
was Catherine Bigelow. There was somebody else that I knew
(01:00:16):
pretty intimately. Not when I say intimately, I was close
to them, and all four of them were.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Uh, you know, I just.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
For me, it was a big for me. You know,
you know, you get a lot of actors around Jim
Carrey or whatever, and yeah, of course, like yeah, well
you know, but for me, that was like this really
big deal that every like four out of the five
people or movies that were nominated, I had someonet a
connection to Katherine big Olo, not as much, and I
can't even remember who the other one was. But Ghost
(01:00:53):
of Mississippi am I S S I S S I
were about at a time.
Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Now you should leave it for the next episode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Okay, Well we'll talk about I did want to talk
about Alec Baldwin's uh version of that and uh talk
about Jimmy Woods in that one, so uh uh and
and and maybe I could get around to talking about
(01:01:23):
the original subject also, So anyway it please when you
write in, please write in and say no, Michael, you're wrong.
You're just wrong about Jim. No, You're like you you
got it confused. But the more, you know, I love
the fact that so many people had seen the uh
(01:01:49):
dary Oldman Gary, thank you almost Jennifer. Yeah, that so
many people had seen No by Mouth and New New
No by Mouth. And I think appreciated it more than
you did. Jim. You were a little bit like no.
Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
I said.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I like the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
It is just it's an intense experience.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You know, Jim, you know my son is the boss here.
I used to tell him what to do now. He
tells me what to do, and he's telling me that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
We close your mouth up, close your mouth, man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Close your mouth quick, bob in your legs. Thank you
about the place. He didn't have to do it. I
was kind of aware of it anyway. Thank you for listening.
And we're just having too much fun here. I know
that we're just going to keep doing this and doing
this and doing this.
Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
So yeah, when we first started, I was a little like, oh,
you can can you carry a podcast? Can you talk
for long enough?
Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Can you do that as long as I'm talking about
more long as that's the subject.
Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
And again it was like you should have heard the
pre show conversation, which was very quick where I went,
I walked in. I called you twice yesterday your phone
was off. I was gonna, hey, what are you gonna
talk about the podcast? Okay, what are you gonna talk about?
I'm gonna talk about you know this is Ghosts of Mississippi.
So great that that didn't happen. I think we'll be
(01:03:22):
okay to just do whatever on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
A right, well, we couldn't rename it. Try to get
eighty h G. Just fooling about kind of like blend
that in somehow. Anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Oh, we saw one girl, a comicn She was really nice.
She was a listener to the podcast. She said, I
love your podcast, and I love how you just go
on tangents and you just don't stick to your subjects
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And I loved it.
Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
And I was like, okay, cool. You should see how
hard I try to get him to stay on one.
At this point, I'm just kind of giving up.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, all right, Jim, I'll talk to you soon, all right,
thank you. And and oh, by the way, people have
asked a number of times the music that plays us
in and plays us out? And that music was written
and performed by a girl named Bingo and her last
(01:04:19):
name I don't want binghaman. Thank you. That's Doug Stanhope's wife.
And and it was sort of Doug and and and
uh Caitlin that got me to go like, okay, I'll
try the podcast thing. Doug was has been all over
(01:04:39):
me about it doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
And he was our first guest.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yes he was. And funny, what a funny I love
him to death.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh, by the way, Oh, by the time you hear this,
I will have had my birthday, I'll be turning sixteen.
I'm sixty nine tomorrow. And now I'm putting a date
on when we did this, so when people listened to it,
it's like that's a fucking week ago. This is old.
(01:05:11):
You can cut that, all right, all right, Jim uh
talk talk to you later, okay, all right, tell me let.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
The strange big show. Which hand would you choose the
way to your way down?
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Look at someone than you coming on without shoe
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