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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order that one
don't seem too.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So long as they will you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Stop the days I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I had a question a question about Yea.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Well, we were talking about Tombstone on the last episode,
and I've seen this comment a lot online, and i
just want to know how accurate it is the line
I'm your Huckleberry. People say, oh, that wasn't the line.
The line was I'm your huckle bearer? Is was it
was that? What was written? And people, is it just
(00:46):
sounds like Huckleberry or what was the line?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
The line was the way that Val said it, the
way that I've always thought of it, and the way
that I'm.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Sure it's written in script it is Erry and huckle Bear.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They talk about, oh, it's people carrying a cast. But
VAL's book is called Huckleberry, if I'm not mistaken. When
Val wrote his memoirs and he yeah, it's called Huckleberry,
and it's always been Huckleberry, and this whole like, Gee,
(01:23):
it's this conversation about is it Hucklebert. I've seen that
online a lot, and I'm sure that if you look
in the script, it's Huckleberry and Huckleberry Jim is at
the name of like basically what he's basing. Can you
(01:44):
describe what you think of the huckleberry.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, I'm a fellow from Virginia. Very interesting character that
was the subject of a book and some TV stories,
and he loved that movie and he was telling me
he was Virginia and he said, it's kind of a
Southern expression and it's something that that bothers you, that
bugs you. I'm your huckleberry, I'm the thing that that is.
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I'm on your ass basically what it means. And Kevin
jar the screenwriter of Tombstone, got a lot of his
lingo from a book written in the nineteen twenties, and
that book uses huckleberry as a meaning. I'm I'm Jim
what I remember. The guy's name is Walter Burns Noble,
(02:36):
It's it's it's the long lunger and all of that.
They call that. Yeah, well and yeah, Like like when
Kurt says, go ahead, pull that smoke wagon. Yes, you know,
smoke wag. I'd never heard that expression before, but boy,
it works in that moment. Yes you know, and I
know what he's talking about, you know, or or the
expression and Billy and right, before that, Billy Bob says, well,
(03:00):
no need to do that with the man who don't
go heels. Yeah, I have no idea what go heels means.
You know what it means. What does it mean?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Hes not have your if you go arm, you're not healed.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's very interesting because in that in Tombstone, I always
you know, I always remembered when I was shooting, I
was so pissed off that they waited until the last
hour to let me do I want your blood and
I want your soul.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But that's kind of where Kurt comes out.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And I think Kurt made the point at the time
where I'm like, I'm basically talking to why it or
I'm talking to Kurt Russell's character, and I'm saying to him,
come on, bitch, you know, come on, I want your
blood and I watch your soul you like and and
and I say something about you and I pointed him
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and uh and and he I believe he wanted to
say the line, well, I'm not healed.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Because he's the star of the f A movie.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So you don't want somebody to be like, come on,
and I'll have to take you on in a gunfight.
And for you to be like, well, not now, I'm
not you know, And and he did say and supposedly
in real life he said, there's no money in it. Uh,
there might be some truth to the fact that Johnny
Ringo at one point was hammered and uh and maybe
(04:27):
not him, maybe not drunk, but basically it was giving
Wyatt RP some ship and Wyatt basically said, I don't
want to fight you. There's no there's no money in it.
And I think that that Kurt at one point, you know,
kind of which I understood one hundred percent that if
I'm playing like Wyatt Irp and somebody calls.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Me out in a gunfight, I don't want to be
like nah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Neverther than not.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He is a fucking you know, he's the star of
the movie, and so I thought he had that expression
I'm not healed.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And what he does is he opens up his coat.
And but the fact of the matter was I saw
that clip recently and he doesn't say I'm not healed.
It's on his back and that line never comes out.
He just opens up his coat. And you don't know,
I mean, unless unless you're part of that movie, or
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unless you're Kurt or unless you were.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, you wouldn't know why he's opening up his
coat because he doesn't say in the movie I'm not healed,
which is there's a lot of that vernacular that is
in that movie, and that, again is one of the
reasons why that movie was so fun to do.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And I get.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
A lot of folks to who want to know about
the Latin and uh, I want me to like again,
there was a because again, we just did the comic
con in San Diego and a couple of people came
by and go, you know, they want your autographed to
go hey, and can you do the Latin line on
the autograph?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You're like, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I didn't. I barely do it.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Then, you know, I've always brought up the fact that
when we were doing rehearsals, we did a read through
and uh uh uh, yeah, it was a crazy read through,
but val uh when they got to him, he knew
I didn't know the Latin. I didn't know how to
say the Latin, and I didn't know what it meant.
(06:41):
You know, it's like we're still in Like, I don't
think we had real rehearsal. We didn't have any rehearsals,
but we had to read through. I remember a vow
knew the Latin and he knew what it meant. I
was like, oh, fuck, better get my ship together. Here
this guy, this guy's like on top of it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well that ahead of me here a little bit ahead
of me on this one.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And uh an actor H and I won't I won't reveal.
I don't think he would give a ship, uh, because
he's a wonder wonderful guy. But that that read through,
we did not get that through. That read through, uh,
which is long because at that point it was one
hundred and forty pages to two hours in time. But
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there was an actor who basically just fucking projectile was
over from from the night before.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, interrupted the reading would project all over. I will
bring the table read to a hall.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Uh Right, So I wanted to talk.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I just wanted to mention you is I saw the
I watched the Rob Reiner movie last.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Night, and first of all, Mississippi, Ghost of Mississippi. First
of all, fucking Alec Baldon so fucking good looking. Jesus Christ,
holy shit was he good looking.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Michael Manson's sister, who was also very attractive. She had
kind of a thankless role. At the beginning of it,
she plays that his wife who's Southern. When when that
when Rob Reiner made that movie, he was making a
movie about the trial of which guy's name Jim.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Byron Dala Beckwe And what year was that the trial? Yes?
Do you know the trial? I think was in ninety
three or so. Okay, But the crime was the murder
of a civil rights leader in Mississippi, Medgar Evers. Yes,
in nineteen sixty three, and Beckworth was arrested at that time.
(09:10):
But this was a time when you know, jury's were
white and they weren't convicting white men of killing black men.
And so the two trials ended in a hung jury.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, and according and Jim, I don't know when
you said that. You know, they weren't they weren't convicting
white people. I mean, there's a difference between not guilty
and a hung and it was they weren't.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
What do you call it when it's not a hung jury?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But it's like like something's gone wrong in the trial
and miss trials.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think they were both miss trials.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Jim, Yeah, I'm saying I just well, listen Ai speaking show.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Ay, I said Yeah. In nineteen sixty four, he was
arrested and tried twice for the murder. Both trials ended
in hung juries.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Oh, in hung juries. Hung jury is a mis trial
when when the when the jury has hung, the judge
declares a mistrial and so they the prosecution can either
start over or drop the charge.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But that what that means, though, is there was one
white person on that jury at least.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, he said like, no, he's good. Well, I was
saying they weren't white jurys weren't convicting. They didn't convict him.
Apparently the evidence was pretty stars they didn't. You'rectory right,
you're right.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
But.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yes, I was the debate in high school.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Remember what was the Okay, so what year did that
trial take place?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
The second? The one, the second in the movie. Yeah,
the one that I think that was, that was thirty
years later. Okay, it would have been nineteen eighty three. No,
that's ninety It was more like ninety three. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
He was tried for a third time in ninety four.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In ninety four.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay, so he's tried for so that that movie basically
takes place in ninety three and ninety four, and boy
did they.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Push heavy on the fact.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
When I think of ninety three and ninety four, I
kind of thought we were past. Now I didn't live
in Mississippi, but I thought we had kind of gone.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What year? What year did That's right in the after
Maanth of Rodney King.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Well, when when did the Confederate flags.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All come down? Do you know that? Only in the
last few years? Oh, it is, okay, it's been a
kind of an ongoing process, but but you know, it's
that they that some states started taking it out of
their flags, like some states had part of the Confederate
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flag incorporated into their state flag. That's been happening over
the last thirty years. I would say, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But there there hasn't been a state has incorporated the
Confederate flag with their state flag for at least what
ten or twenty years?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Ten fifteen, ten years? Would you say? Ten years? Probably? Probably? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, I was, you know, I was just surprised that
in the movie that takes place, that the film takes
place in nineteen ninety three, that there was still the
way it was depicted in the movie. Was the racism
in Mississippi was still.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Pretty hardcore? I imagine it could be. I mean and I.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Mean, I mean it works better for the movie if
there's a lot of racism and whether he's getting threats
or not and I'll killer you and lover like all
that kind of stuff. You know, like there was a
lot of that that was in the movie that I
you know, I'm just like such an idiot to not
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to have been so unaware of how racist our country
was and how racist one other things, Jim that when
we were talking about Ghosts of Mississippi, that's the one.
(13:28):
That's the other one, correct, Yeah, okay, when we were
talking about that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I asked you this last night because.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I thought that I'd remembered that there was sort of
a sense from and and I could be wrong, but
please tell.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Me what what what you.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Think about that there was some there were some voices
around basically, and I thought, and I could very well
be wrong, that it was Spike Lee saying at that time,
why like, oh, this is a story about how the
white man fucking you know came in to stop segregation
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and that's kind of like is that all we get
are white people heroes?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And are you is that? Am I wrong? Jim? Or
do you remember is that Spike Lee?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I definitely don't want to say his name if that's
not true, or if you don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It that's that is true. I know he's made that criticism,
that critique in fact, there's yeah, and he may have
made I don't know that he made it specifically against
Ghosts of Mississippi, but it wouldn't surprise me because the
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movie came out in the mid nineties and you know,
Spike Lee was certainly active filmmaker in those days. That's
around the time I think he was making Malco and
trying to get Malcolm X off the ground. And uh,
I know he's made that sort of criticism. And I've
told you there's a sort of uh phrase white savior
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stories that floats around in in you know, Hollywood script
community about stories where you know, the white man sort
of is comes to the rescue of the downtrodden minorities,
and you know, the script get dismissed for having too
much of a white savior uh a halo around them,
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you know. So yes, yes, into a Wikipedia article on
white savior stories.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Is there, is there anything? Is there anything at all
that is does not have a Wikipedia story about it?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Probably not? Wow?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Uh wow, wow, Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, So the white savior is a cinematic trope? What
is which a white central character rescues white which trope
A type, A type, a type, or a formula? Basically okay, okay, okay.
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This recurs in a in an array of genres in
American cinema, where a white protagonist portadoes the nessanic figure
who often gains insight and introspection into in the course
of rescuing non white characters.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know, you know, I certainly understand that criticism of
the fact that you know, why, you know, let's talk
about you know, let let a black filmmaker make Malcolm X.
You know, let let you know, can't why can't we
get this finance? How come black filmmakers? But one of
the things that I've thought about in my lifetime, and
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I was born in Alabama and it was a Jim
Crow South, you know, one of the things that I
didn't think about because I've always said, well, you couldn't
swim in the same swimming pool, you had to sit
in the back of the bus, you couldn't use the
same restaurants, you couldn't use the same hotels. You know,
you can this and that, you know, and one of
the things in the Alec Baldwin movie, the Rob Ryder movie.
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I think it was in the Rob Rder movie, and
it might have been the other one. But is that
like different cemeteries.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean wow, I mean that's like wow, No, that's okay,
all right. Once everybody's gone and they're just meet, they're
just like rotting fucking meat, we still need them. We
just we still can't have them.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So yeah, no mixing. Yeah, in the cemetery beyond.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, I want listen Rob Reiners not only was
there a wonderful actor, just a brilliant filmmaker and in
so many different ways. And we talk about Rob Reiner movies,
you know.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
For I'm looking forward to the Spinal Tap reboot. Uh
you know, I saw picture yeah, yeah, I saw a
picture of him. I saw a picture of him and
the three guys in today you know, in Today's outfit, uh,
you know, being like a steal from the reboot that
just looks hysterical.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So yeah, I was trying to think of you know,
I was watching the movie he did with Jimmy Woods
and and and Alec Baldwin, and uh you know.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I oh, you know, who's in it is.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Uh, William Macon, thank you you.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Got yeah, William Macy has got a relatively like he's
not obviously not the star of it, Alecus and he's
he's plays like a either a cop and or a
detective and or whatever you call what do you call
a guy that you hire like a private private investigator
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that plays that that character in it. But you know,
that reminds me also when we were talking about movies
and favorite movies, and you know, we were talking about
friend Francis McDorman and she's so good in in in
the Ghost of Mississippi. She's like so good and and everything.
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But you know, one of the movies that I've always.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like, just thought and Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Mississippi Burning, thank you? Uh uh is uh one of
my my favorite movies that I've seen over and over
and over and.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Over at Fargo. I mean, fuck, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That that movie is so good and they're both so
good in it when she comes in to the rental
office and she's asking some questions about a missing missing
car off the lot and he gets all pissed off
of that fucking Canadian accent.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And you know that movie is just priceless. God time
that movie. I didn't react to that movie the first
time I saw it. I thought it was kind of
condescending to its characters. And and I was the second time,
and third time, and fourth time, and fifth time and
six times I've seen it, I thought I was so
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wrong that first time. I just obviously didn't get it.
But now it's charming as hell, you know, from from
beginning to end. And Bill Mashey, it keeps getting those
from that guy says, well, you faxed him over those numbers,
but we can't really read the fact. Oh yeah, I'll
get those right over to you. We have no idea
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what the hell he's been doing to his father in
law and dazzling from his father in law obviously, but
but we have no idea what he did, how he expects.
He's in trouble, yes, seriously in trouble. Yeah, but it's
hysterical to watch him scramble and and and try to
and the wise he tries to concoct. You know, yes,
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that that that is? Boy? Is that I don't know,
you know, I almost think of it as a comedy,
you know, like, is how could she not laugh with
that thing?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Because yeah, yeah, yeah, go bear year.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well one of them had that. He was like a
funny looking guy, you know, regular henny looking guys.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
There's also the guy the cop comes out.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's not Macy, not Macy, but it's not her, but
it's her assistant. He comes out because he gets a
lead and he's talking to some guy and he's got
like a like a coat on with like a code
yeah hat on it, and it's all closed up and
you can only see his nose his eyes, and he
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also just a funny looking guy.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well the tall smile. It's just funny.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It's a funny looking Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
God, that's a good movie. Ah. I love that movie.
I love it. I love it. I love the thing
that I mentioned this before on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm sure, but the thing that's so great about the
Coen Brothers was that that you know, and I guess
this has been going on probably since the thirties or forties, based.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
On the true story.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
This, Yeah, he's based on a true story that really happen.
These are based on actual events.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
However they they do it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
They've been doing that for years and uh, I don't know,
it seemed like about probably was a long time before,
but it seemed like like three or four years ago.
The Cone Brothers just came out and said it wasn't
really based on Yeah, now we made it up.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We can do that.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know the filmmakers and you know it, and you
know there's something about when you're watching it.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
If you think that it's kind of true.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, guy with a leg with a wood chipper trying
to get the wood chipper.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
What's the name of that actor is that?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What a great, great, great movie. Oh and she's talking
to one of her other cops and they're talking about
a license plate and he said, well, we got the
license plate starts with d l R. And she said,
not sure. I APPREMI or detective work there, Joe. You
know dr might stand for dealer plates. Oh yeah, yeah,
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hazy little exchange and goes, oh that that that old
alumni from her high school who tries to kind of
pick up on her. She's like nine months pregnant and
he's trying to hit on her from her high school.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And her husband said, home painting guns in a competition, hysterical.
How can you not see that in a comedy, right, guess.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean I when I think about movies that made
me laugh, I would have to put that, like maybe
in the top five of playing comedies. Although you know,
I think when I first saw I, you know, you know,
I didn't laugh as much. I think I was like
just in awe of the fact that this story.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Was based on a true story. You know, there's something
like this.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And the accents. Man, they nailed the accents. Is that
kind of can.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I can't do it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
That yeah that uh that was so so good and
so anyway, you know, I, I guess I don't really
have that much more to say about the Rob Reiner
movie except for the fact that it seemed like.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And I'm not sure how much of this is fact,
and they.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Were based on the true we know that was based
on on true events. They had Alec Baldwin leaving a
bit of this really happened to it. They had him
leaving his house. This would have been in the big nineties,
the character that he played leaving his house and going
to live and taking his family into kind of hiding
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because of a bomb threat. You know who he got
because he was prosecuting what's the guy's name Jimmy what's
his character's name?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Byron Bewe, Right, right, right? Uh? Did Jimmy wos Ever
win an Academy award? What was that? What was that?
What was that first one? Jim that you and I?
Probably the onion field?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, oh god, he was fucking great in the onion field,
he was.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And who was the other one, the other cop? Yeah
the cut Danson plays the cop who gets killed at
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
There's another cop in it though, who hits the baby,
the one who like like slaps.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The John Savage. John Savage is the top. John Savage
is the cop who survived. And the whole story is
about two cops who got got abducted by two guys
They pulled over in a car. They get abducted by
these guys and and uh taken out to an onion
field near Bakersfield, and one of them is shot and
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killed and the other manages to escape but undergoes years
of harrowing PTSD we'd call it now and and just
his life kind of unraveled and it was a struggle
to get it back together again. I mean, a guy
named Harold Becker directed that is that based absolutely, it's
based it's a true story. There's a in front of
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the Hollywood Police station on will Cox is a memorial
to uh, to the dead officer. It took a very
true story. They were they were picked up right near
our old neighborhood the kidnapping occurred. It's very much a
true story. It was written by Joseph wambaugh In the
former former cop who turned writer and the police Story,
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et cetera. So yes, yeah, or The New Centurions, that
famous book of his. So yeah, it's it was very
much Centurions. Is that fiction or nonfiction? That's fictions? Based
on his experience as an l a street cop and
then he started then he wrote, Uh, he wrote a
couple of novels.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The Onion Field is I remember like that was you
can check and see what he Uh. I always know
I'm in trouble when I look up and and my son,
who's fucking you?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They're not supposed to do that? Uh Uh. Jimmy Woods
The Onion Field.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Uh, that was the first time I saw him. What
did Jimmy Woods do before The Onion Fields?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The Small Parts?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, you can. I just wanted to mention that he
was nominated for two Academy Awards.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Never won Academy Awards, never.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Won Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor for uh Salva Door
and Goes to Mississippi. And then he was nominated for
a Golden Globe for The Onion Field and also for
gost to Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah. Yeah, the first thing I think I'm in was
The Way We Were?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean he's got a lot of credits, so
I mean for The Onion Field.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
So he did four movies before that, starting in seventy two,
is The Visitors, The Way we Were, Night Moves and Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right, uh uh, I remember Night Moves.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Keep going, keep going with his movies after that is
the incredible Journey of Doctor the Black Marble, Eyewitness, fast
Walking Video Drome, Once upon a Time in America.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh, that's a crazy movie. That's a crazy movie. That one.
David Cronenberg, David David Cronenberg. What did What's upon a
Time in America?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, sirge ullium video dron oh video drone?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Right? Yeah yeah, yeah, uh yeah, Leoni did Once upon
a Time in America? And Woods is in that well
he did. Who is it called El Salvador? Is that
the name of Salvador? Just Salvador and that that's That's
Stone Oliver Stones movie, yeah before before Platoon.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, I remember meeting Oliver Stone for the role that
the other actor who was in the Onion Field that
we were just talking about played was the photographer in
that movie. Uh, who were we just talking about, No Salvador,
(30:47):
John John Savage. John Savage, I believe plays a photographer
in that in that movie. And I was taking meat.
He was takking meetings and I went in. I met
him a few times. Uh and uh, I went in
(31:09):
and I met him for that movie.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And it was a.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Very sort of uncomfortable. Uh. He left the room and
then he'd come back. We talked for a little bit more.
They need to leave the room, and he'd come back
and we talked a little more. I leave the room,
come back and we talked a little bit when I'm
(31:34):
not sure what I'm not sure what he was doing, but.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
He seemed a little when.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
When I was talking to him, and uh, I seemed
a little amped and uh he You know, usually when
when you're going in and you're you're you're you're trying
to uh detail, you try to you know, impress somebody
(32:01):
about how you're going to wait when you're not able
to audition for somebody, or if you don't want to
audition for somebody, you have to go in and sell them.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I'm like, well, this is how I would do it.
This is what I like about the movie, that's what
I like about the character.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
This is how I play it, this is how this
is how I see it, this is how I see it,
and this is the way that I would do it.
And you've already seen Terminator and Aliens and the Abyss
and so you should know that I can fucking act.
And that was kind of my attitude at the time.
But I remember having that and I remember him, Uh,
(32:39):
it was just an uncomfortable, uncomfortable meeting and basically when
I got done with my spiel or whatever it was,
maybe I just didn't have my shit together at all
with him. Basically he was talking about that character and
he said to me, you know, it's a you know,
he was intensive, really intense that day. Uh, it's about
(33:04):
the adrenaline.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
So that's what this character is about.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's about the I mean, he had to like basically saying,
I know, you're fucking wrong. This is what it's about.
This is why he doesn't. This is what you know.
It's about the adrenaline of being a war time photographer,
putting yourself in those positions, whether it's you know, l
Salvador El Salvador at that time or you know now
(33:35):
wherever you are and you know, and uh, and I
was like kind of taken back. I thought he was
sort of disrespectful and little mean spirited, kind of like
get the fuck out of my office kind of thing,
you don't you don't know ship type of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And then I.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Laughed and looking back on it, and I was, fucking right,
it's fucking right.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That's that's really really what that character and maybe some
of the other characters were about. And he and he
cast John Savage in it, and John Savage was wonderful
in it. But I remember having that experience with him
and him and me just kind of not liking him
(34:22):
because I just thought he was like mean spirited towards
me and my ideas. But now I think he had it,
he got it right. Uh, he's an interesting guy. He's
an interesting guy. Was he do you know what kind
of metals he won in Vietnam? Or was he shot
(34:43):
or was he like really really.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well was combat. I don't know that he he would
have received the combat infantry Man's badge, which is significant.
And I don't know if he got any purple hearts
or not. Did he when did he do? Did he do?
Born on the fourth of July? But no, he did
that after Platoon. But he wrote Midnight Express that's kind
(35:08):
of where he first showed up, and he wrote Scarface.
He was writing screenplays. He wrote Midnight Express by him.
That was just him. I think he's got that was
not based that, that's based on a book. Us that
Billy was that guy's saying Billy something or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That that guy, Billy Hayes. Yeah, I've actually I saw
him on YouTube recently, probably probably in the last month
or so. And it's not surprising to me that somebody
was able to listen to him and then make a movie,
(35:48):
because boy does he like talking, and boy does he
like talking about himself and his experience and his memory
of like his memories like really good and but he
just talks to my element about the experience and knows
every fact about like what the fiber of the carpet
looked like to you know, whether it was raining, whether
(36:10):
it was overcast, that day and yeah, I just think
you try to turn the tape recorder on and said, hey,
tell me your story. You'd get about ten hours, fifteen hours,
and go, okay, I need to cut this down to
ninety minutes.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
You know what do I take from there? That was
such a good Brad Davis.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
So, yeah, he did win a couple awards. He was
wounded twice. In action. He received a Bronze Star with
V for vo Killer an Air Metal a Purple Heart
and the Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with unit citation.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Okay, so he's he's the real deal. And yeah, I
guess I guess it's okay. I mean I I met
him at another another time too and had what I
thought was not a very good experience with him. I
(37:05):
went in to meet him for a movie that he
was going to make that he never made, called Pinkville,
and oh, yeah, you know, explained to the viewing audience
what Pinkville was.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, I'm sure it's the same thing. I know Pinkville
as a Pinkville was, I believe the US Army designation
for a village called me Lie correct where a massacre
occurred and subsequent court martial involving a couple of American officers.
(37:40):
There were horrific pictures from this village that based was
annihilated by a company in I believe in the spring
of sixty eight, shortly after the Tet offensive, and it
became a huge sensation. The lieutenant involved with a guy
(38:02):
named Malan Cally, William Cally, and there was a captain
named Ernest Medina, and those two guys were the ones
who faced court martial and CALLI basically lived, you know,
was stuck stuck on the base in Georgia for a
couple of years until Nixon pardoned him, and so he
never faced any consequences. Essentially, nobody really faced any consequences
(38:24):
for it. And it was clearly war crime, a war crime. Yeah.
And the other fellow Medina was not.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Was he prosecuted in the same way because I think
that he I think he was as responsible.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
He was responsible. He wasn't quite as responsible, but he
more or less gave the go ahead for it to occur.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And isn't there a story about a guy who was
in a helicopter.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Who was kind of flying over that Who was that gym?
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I don't know it can't just be that script. Is
there a book that's written on this.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Or oh yeah, there's a ton of stuff. Yeah there's
a guy. Yeah, there have been some books about it.
A Flee Bay he was lawyer, was Medina's attorney, Athlete Bailey.
Flee Bailey got involved in it as a as an
attorney for Ernest Medina, attorney from Medina.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
That reminds me of this guy from Saturday Night Live
doing Flete Bailey when in the.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
In the O. J.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Simpson trial, little hammered like I've forgotten about what it's
something to do with justice or what what he was
famous for. A Flete Bailey when he was doing the O. J.
Simpson Trial saying something as a comedian. It was on
Saturday and Live. Very funny guy basically doesn't imitation.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It's very very good.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Charley.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
No, no, no, I'm talking about before Chris Farley.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Steve Higgins, one of the almost originals, tall thin guy.
I heard that he.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Had heard surgery.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
No, the thin guy. The two brothers that played the guitar,
he was one of them.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Not you know Wayne's World, Wayne's World, Wayne's word.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Well not Michael Myers fine, yeah, look,
we're not worthy. We're not worthy. Dana Carvey does a
bit about about the O. J.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Simpson trial and said, don't look like this all this evidence,
don't over there, don't look over there playing the jazz
like what's his name?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
What was the name of the attorney for for O J?
It was it was God, don't you must have quick?
How what a crazy like?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
We could not have lived in a more and the
Dasha Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, yeah, he was standing right there next to okay
when the when the verdict was read, So yeah, that
was a crew not guilty, not guilty.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I think that was like kind of the payback for
all the times like white people had found black.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
It was for Rodney King for one thing that was
still fresh and everybody in in the minds of that jury.
I'm sure who was the police commissioners?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And I don't pay my fucking cops to roll around
in the dirt with.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
The oh what was that guy's name? Darryl Gates Darryl Cats,
who defended the chokehold saying that brats are physiologically different
and that's why they're more susceptible to He was coming
up with crazy stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
That's when when when he starts talking like that and
they're standing.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Next to him, that's when you start easing.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Out of the shot, itching your way away from him. Yeah,
there was at a fundraiser in Brentwood when the riots
broke out following the Rodney kingbrodet It took him quite
a while to get around to responding to it. Yeah.
He was a real piece of work, right right, right, yeah, yeah,
(42:38):
Well there was a lot of criticism about though. Ah well,
what was.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
The name of the guy that they pulled out of
the truck and fucking bashed him over?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh I don't remember him? Yeah, yeah, I do remember
that guy. Considered the famous uh footage from the helicopter.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Over Reginald Denny.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
And see who the guy is who slammed the brick
in his head, because he ended up doing a couple
you know.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
He had one of those blocks that you build.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
With like big yeah, cinder blocks, right, just basically, and
he and he drags him out of the truck and
this guy through something football something or whatever, he's got like.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Some like nickname, and uh, yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Took the cinder block and just fucking I guess you
can probably go back and see all that.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Oh yeah, I'm sure he could pull that up on YouTube,
but but it's from you know, this video taken from
a helicopter hovering right over and they stopped this truck.
They pull him out. This guy has a big ass
brick or cinder block in his hand, and he rears
back and throws it, looking about as hard as he could,
into this fellow's heads from a couple of feet away,
(43:56):
and then he rears back and starts laughing and looking
at their crowd for applause. Yes.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, the guy's name was Damian Williams.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Damian. They don't give his nickname, Damian Williams.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
It just says Damian Williams throwing a cinderblock at Denny's
head then executing a football style victory.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I think they called him football something to football. Anyway,
I don't know what. Oh, this grows back. I was
talking about Salvador and I was talking about this. The
second meeting I had with him had to do with Pinkville.
I mean, that was the name of the movie. And
I know that I've gotten a lot more information than
(44:37):
from that script, But he was meeting people on that movie,
and have.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
You read the script? Have you read a script.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, I read the script, and I like the script,
and I do believe that I don't think the script
could have contained as much a knowledge that I feel
that I have on that situation, or maybe I researched
it before I went into me him and I went
in to meet him for that, and he's with a
casting director who I think she used to like me.
(45:05):
I forgot her name, and they were sitting it was
almost like they were in like some sort of like
a It felt like I felt like you were in
a high school, right, You're a high school gym. You're
going to go meet somebody at a high school gym,
and you're.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Or a theater.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, And instead of two chairs that are sitting on
the stage, him in one of them, and the casting
director sitting next to him, he was like in the
fucking balconies. Him and the casting director were like they
were like way up there and like it felt as
soon as I as soon as I walked in, it's like,
(45:51):
I'm this is gonna kind of have a hard time
to have a conversation because not only you know how
Johnny Carson always had his seat up a little yeah, yeah, yeah,
let her in everybody's.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Seat is always a little higher than their guests.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah, well they were a little bit.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
They were up.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, they're up there about thirty feet And it really
felt disrespectful, I thought. And anyway, so I was talking
to him and this and that. I remember one of
the things he said to me said, I heard you
and Cameron got into a beef.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
What was that all about?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
And I was just like, fuck you man, Like what
are you fucking talking about? Like what a scumbag thing
to say? Because maybe he heard that, but like, uh yeah,
I uh, I always.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Would How would you respond? Did you respond to that?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well, you know, it took me, took me by surprise,
and he was, yeah, on stone. So I said that,
you know, I don't know what you're talking about. Jim
and I have always gotten along and I and Jim
and I really really have never never ever had any
words of any kind that I that I can read.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Well, that's what I was thinking, what's he talking about?
I don't know. I just don't. I just didn't, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
And he treated me a certain way, and you know,
being up in the bleachers, and I just kind of
felt very disrespected when I went in on that meeting
and then uh, it wasn't that long. I mean this
long time ago, but maybe two thy ten or fifteen
or something something like that. But anyway, anyway, he never
got made. But I remember the person that came in
(47:46):
behind me, okay, So I went in to meet him,
and James Brolin was the next person that he was meeting,
and I said, I was walking looking out. He was
like kind of walking in to see James Broland, like
(48:09):
and he said, uh, General General Broland something.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
And like like walked up and like to.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Shake his hands.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
So he had like gotten out of the fucking grandstands
and gotten down to meet James Broland to shake his
hand as if like, you know, okay, well that would
have been nice if he had done that to me,
but he obviously thought that. I was like, you know,
I have to see this guy because I'm interested in
mel Gibson and I don't want to piss off at
Lomano and fucking I met him month before for Salvador,
(48:42):
and he didn't know what he.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Was doing.
Speaker 5 (48:46):
Uh, But I my gut told me the reason that he.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Made such a big deal about Brolin was because Josh
Brolin was blowing up at that time, and there's something
about it that I kind of felt like, you know,
you know, James, James Brolan did something where he played
uh uh Reagan. Yeah, six or seven years something like
(49:23):
whatever it was, but he played Reagan, and.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
It's a little bit like this.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
This last one what's his name played Reagan recently and
got a little bit of a claim for it. The
guys it's like doing coke every day for his entire
life from the movie star and it's got the older
brother who was in uh quaint what yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(49:52):
yeah yeah, Quate Dennis Quaid.
Speaker 8 (49:53):
Yeah, but his father played uh Reagan, and I think
that he They did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It was either a movie or I think it was
like a television.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Movie talking about are you talking about James Brolin?
Speaker 1 (50:11):
James?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Okay, Well, something happened. Do a Wikipedia search on that,
because something happened in that movie where they didn't fucking
they decided not to release it. They were like, either
maybe Reagan died, I didn't like something happened that was controversial,
and they just pulled that thing.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
I'm just saying that it was. It was planned to
broadcast as a two part mini series. Okay, but ultimately
the broadcast but ultimately broadcast as a film on cable
on Showtime due to controversy over its portrayal of Reagan.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Okay, all right, well I'm not sure what the controversy was,
but uh uh.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
Anyway, yeah, I'm seeing just the money. Before it was released, right,
portions of the script were.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Leaked, okay. Oh, and then.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
As a result, is widely criticized by conservatives, is unbalanced
and an inaccurate depiction of Reagan. Yes, there's a lot
here on the controversy.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Okay, So if you want to find out about that,
you can find out about it. But I thought it
was kind of James Browland's. It was kind of like
a like a nice little comeback for him. I mean,
he'd been a big, big star on television. I mean
I grew up watching him and respecting him. And as
she was doctors. I've forgotten the character that they played,
but he was a good looking guy and obviously Josh's father,
(51:39):
and I always liked him, and I remember like that
Singers coming out, and he was supposed to be really
quite good and then it just it just disappeared. It's
crazy how the business is that way.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, So one of the most controversial points in the
script was the depiction of Reagan telling his wife during
conversation about AIDS patients that he says that they live
in sin shall die in sin. So that his wife
that or he said that, Yeah, he said that in
the script. Yet he says Reagan says that to his wife,
and that was a controversial line.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well, Jim, wasn't Reagan. Uh didn't Reagan wait until like
there were like a million dead gay people before he
mentioned the word age.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yes, And it's the subject of a very well known
book called and the Band Played On, Oh, of course,
and yeah. And the what's behind the title and the
Band Played On is that while this crisis was raging,
Reagan was pretty much silent about it until it was
well into the devastation that it would cause. And uh,
(52:54):
and that's that's what resulted in the book And the
Band Played On?
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Well, the band look up, the band played on?
Speaker 1 (53:00):
The band played and Jemacher direct that didn't that happen?
It got it was a Rogers bottest would okay, but
they had the actor.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Matthew Modine, Alan Alda.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Gear and Richard Gear.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Uh, who was it spottings would I thought I met Okay, anyway,
the band played on. Yeah, maybe I did mean on it.
Maybe I didn't mean on it, but I remember that.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Uh you know Rob that Reagan was criticized for not
even for passivity yeah and in action. Yeah yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Uh you know, I guess what year was that? What
what year was that? Jim kind of about.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Well the movie came out, When when Reagan? When when
did the age crisis start? And like, well when did
when was reagany? It? Really we started we really started
hearing about it in the early eighties. You know, it
was kind of unknown in nineteen eighty. By the early
eighties we started hearing about this so called gay cancer. Yes,
(54:15):
and then when it was identified as a as there
were acquired immune deficiency syndrome was essentially the result of
infection with a virus called the HIV virus, And that
knowledge came about in the early eighties, and that's when
we started seeing just horrendous losses of life. You know,
(54:38):
look at I mean the the swathe it cut through
show bit for crying out loud. You know the number
of names of people who passed because of it. And
this was well and Reagan was president from eighty one
to eighty nine. This was well into his presidency when
he didn't even mention the crisis. He would never talk
(54:59):
about it. It was really well late into his presidency
that he even started to address it or acknowledge it.
And then he sort of admitted that he had come
to it too late or come to it late.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I I'm trying to
think of the uh, the name of the actor we
were talking about before who was thrown in jail over
in like Turkey or whatever.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Who said, oh, well, tony jail. The guy who played
Brett brad Davis. Brad Davis.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yes, well Brad Davis was gay, okay, and and he
died of age and Brad Davis. I saw Brad Davis.
I saw him in a play downtown. There were two
theaters downtown gen One it was called the Almundson and
the other one was called what do you remember the Chamber?
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Was it the Chamber? Maybe? Maybe it was Themson Theater
the Shrine, the Shrine, I don't.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Think so anyways, and let's just say them. But then
I saw him, and he did he was in a
play called Metamorphosis. Oh yeah, and uh, oh my god,
it was fucking just brilliant physicality of like, you know,
because it turns into a spider.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Is that what they? Yeah? Yeah, where does that? Where
does that come from?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Is that based on a book by some Where does metamorphosis?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Where does that? Where would that play have come from?
Do you know? Jim? I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I think it's co Tell me who tell me who
Copa was?
Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's not Franz Copka, Yeah he was. I think he
was a German or Czech novelist who wrote books like
The Trial and The Castle. And he's very existentialist. You know,
they kind of throw these characters in the situations where
there's no background or we don't really know why in
the trial, we never know why the guy's on trial, right,
(57:15):
you know, And and so that that's a kind of
a nightmare.
Speaker 5 (57:18):
And write a book called Metamorphosis.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
He wrote a novel, a novella called Metamorphosis.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
So the play was adapted from a classic Ovid poem
and Publius ovidious Nasa was a Roman poet, So that
play from a poem from a Roman poet.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Some smart people.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Anyway, I saw him, Uh, and there was a it
seemed a little bit like uh, the.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Fly, you know.
Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah, I'm not sure that it was.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
I've forgotten whether he was already that way, but he
was very physical as far as.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Like being on stage and there was like the set.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Was like a spider web and climbing all over that
thing while he was like acting and it was he
was absolutely, like astonishingly like good in that.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I was just like, oh my god, I could, I could, like.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
You know, it's one of those things that you see
as a like an actor, where you go, guy's a
little bit better than me.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
He was in Cheriots Fire, very small rolling Chariots a
Fire and Charriot's a Fire.
Speaker 5 (58:47):
I went back and looked at and I think that
for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
That got kind of a bum wrap and had that
incredible score.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Oh yeah, you remember who did this Uelus? I don't know,
but it was an incredible angelous Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
And I went back and I looked at that movie,
and I you know, I I think it got kind
of a bad rap for whatever reason. I think that
I liked that movie a lot more on like you said,
you rewatch a movie and you watch it, and I
watched that movie.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
Oh I think your Jim There is another play called
The Metamorphosis, which says it's based on Franz Cofa novel. Yeah,
that's I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
A guy who wakes up as a as a cockroach.
Speaker 4 (59:34):
Basically I was looking at a different one.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, oh god, what a fucking horrific idea waking up
as a cockroach.
Speaker 5 (59:44):
Yeah, that's like, you know, I don't have like I'm.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Not like a I'm not frightened of spiders and a
frightened of uh snakes. I've had a funny story about
Tarantula's are working on Tarantula's When I did Deadly Intentions,
who were not Yeah, I don't know whether I should
(01:00:06):
tell that's tell that story, and we're kind of running
out of time a little bit. But I did Deadly
Intentions and there was a part and there was a
dream sequence in it. And I'm driving I think my
character drove a Volkswagen and uh, I'm driving and the
woman who played my wife, who I'm like terrorizing throughout
this entire television movie that I did know Black directed, Uh,
(01:00:32):
she has a nightmare that we're driving and she has
trantulas that are on her body, and uh, that's sort
of her nightmare.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
And she was like totally freaked out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Totally was like very very frightened of look up deadly
intentions and tell me who the girl was.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I always forget her name, but she was really really
quite good.
Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
And also Madeline Smith Osborne.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, Madeleine Smith. And I think she married a hockey player.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I think that that that Osborne is a hockey player
or that was their first time anyway. So anyway, so
so while we are getting ready to shoot that, we
shot it on a set. We didn't shoot it, you know,
but it was on a set and it was like
rear screen projection or whatever whatever they did, and uh uh.
They wanted to put a transl on her and she
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was like freaked out. She's like, I don't want to
wait until we shoot. When we shoot, you can put.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
It on me and then I want it off and
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
It was like that kind of vibe and I, I,
I was kind of interested, and I went over to
the what they call like the handler, like the spider handler.
I mean, these things are big, they're like little yeah yeah,
and he's like, yeah, you can't put it on your
he's not bite you, you know, they don't bite. This
one's like tick got the thing taken out or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I'm like, I put it, I put it on my arm.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Things crawling slowly around on my arm. And I think
in Double one of the Double oh sevens, I think
the bond is is got those things crawling on him.
And that's anyway. So I had that thing crawling on
me a little bit, and we we went to shoot that.
And what they did was they took three or they
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wanted a number of them on her, so they took
three or four fake tarantulas and they put them on
her shirt. And then they took the real tarantula and
they put it down by her stomach, sort of down
lowered down by her stomach.
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
And uh and then you know, and.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
She was she was like totally freaked out, like like
just not happy with the whole thing at all. And
uh so uh and then they called action and the
real spider just it didn't move.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
They just stayed there.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It looked like the other spiders, you know, which were
fake tarantulas, and it didn't move.
Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
And so the wrangler called him the spider Wrangler.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Spider wrangler, yeah, the name of a movie spider somebody. Yeah, true,
this is so true.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
So anyway, So so he he had a pencil and
so and of course cameras are rolling. Of course this
is film back then, you know, and so they needed
to get that thing moving.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And I can't remember, and I'm in the driver's seat
and she's like I'm driving or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
And so he.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Takes that pencil and they starts pushing it, pushing, pushing
the back of it, and I can remember the spider
kind of like it being pushed, but it's legs staying
where they were, you know, kind of being pushed.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
In the legs stay where they were.
Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And then he pushed it and all of a sudden,
this spider just went right after her face.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
She just fucking lost, I mean absolutely fuck.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I mean, it went from zero to one hundred, like
right up their neck, you know, and you know, she
fucking screamed and jumped up and you know, uh and
it was like a fucking it was a crazy ass
fucking and then then you know, then the spider was gone.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Uh. She was freaking out. She was like, I don't
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I won't do that, and uh uh they ended up
finding this, finding the spider. The spider was okay, and
because I had let that spider go on me before
they decided to shoot that. If you ever watched Deadly Intentions,
anybody's never ever seen Deadly Intentions pretty dated. It was
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the very first time I got to act like a
fucking maniac and it was a lot of fun and uh,
but that's one of the scenes. And so what they
did is they ended up putting the transl on me
and they let.
Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
It walk around me, and I let it kind of
like walk.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Onto my neck and ship because I'd already kind of
familiarized myself with it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
So anyway, what were we going to do this right there?
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Not quite not quite well, not quite but but still
that's uh. That also had.
Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Uh, that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Very first time I was saw an Academy Award. She
played my mother. Who's the Can you give me the cast?
Clors Flors Yeah, yeah, Chlorus Leachman. She was a trip man.
Cloris Leachman was a trip She played my mother.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
She she was crazy, fun, crazy fun.
Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And I went over to her house once for a party,
I think after we shot that, and she had won
an Academy Award for something I don't know, Jim, you
might last picture, Last Picture Show. Yeah, we've talked about
the Last Picture Show on the podcast before. But all right,
so I guess we're probably count going about that time.
I'm looking at the I got a clock in front
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of me, folks, and uh, it's kind of about that
time that we can we can stop.
Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
YEA, Well, I just want because Cloris Leachman I was
looking her up and she plays the grandma in Bad Santa,
which I don't know if you see. This is one
of my favorite comedies of all.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, yeah Santa.
Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Yeah, she because Billy Bob Thornton plays you know, he's
like a bank robber and he's a Santa, and he
goes to live with like a little kid, yes, and
he takes he meets the kid at the mall and
the kids is like kind of autistic, and so he
takes the kid home. The kid wants to bring Santa home.
So he brings Santa home and he walks into the
house with a robbers mask on and like a club
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like he's going to rob the place. And Cloris Leachman
is the grandma and she doesn't know what's going on,
and she season walk in with a robbers mask on
at the clubs like make you some sandwiches and he
ends up living with the kid at his house and
it's just such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
She she's also in like what we are talking about
comedies and I mean, without a doubt, one of my
one of the ones that would have to go on
the list, which she's so good in.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Uh is you? Is it? Young Frankenstein? Am I is it? Oh? Yeah?
My god?
Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
That movie?
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Appy Abby Appy Normal? Abby Normal? Who you switched the
switch the brains? Appy Normy? Who? Normal?
Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Who is that guy with the fucking eyes? What's that
guy's name? Jim Feldman?
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You know, I go. I am a very good surgeon.
I can help you with that hump.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
What didn't they keep changing from side to side?
Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Wasn't that hump on the other never mind? Never mind? Guy,
that was a fucking that was hilarious. I go grab
the bag. I'll take the you take the blonde, and
I'll take the one in the turban. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Every time her name was frow something Herron Frowy.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Time somebody said her name the horses.
Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Winnie in the back, Not sure why, but it contius
up stating it dug.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Every time they mentioned her name.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
For oh hey, great great motherfucker movie. Hi, So I'm
all laughed out, I guess, but I could sit and
talk to you about that movie for another half an
hour and just to keep quoting it. Push the other button,
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remember when he's going back and forth between the walls.
Not no matter what I do, don't let me. I'm
not gonna not gonn do the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Uh, living on the Living on the anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
All right, So I guess we're in for an hour
and ten minutes now, Jim, So, I guess we can
we can call this one.
Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Uh, thank you everybody for.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Listening, and just like keep pouring in those like messages
and please let me know like when we're wrong and
you can be a little mean.
Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Spirited about it. Everybody's always so nice and everything.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Hey, fucking idiot, No, no, no, he's not from fucking England.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
So I'm really starting to have even more fun than
I've had.
Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And I've been doing this a year and it seems
like every time I do it, I have more fun
and get to spend time with.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
My Yeah, I need to correct the person who said
I can go back to polishing my Hillary Clinton picture frame.
It's a Bill Clinton picture frame that I got for
working on this campaign in ninety two, for taking most
of the year to work on this presidential campaign. It
was a fad that was experienced at the time, and
I'm glad I did it once and I will never
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do it again. Well, what did somebody mention that? Had you?
You hadn't mentioned that in the pun. No, I never
said that before. But how did that just come up?
Just just just because we were talking about comments and
somebody made a comment about how I can go back
to polishing Hillary Clinton picture frames. I think that came
out of some common we made about the Epstein five. Oh.
(01:11:08):
I just wanted to correct the record that I don't
have a Hillary Clinton picture frame. I have a Bill
Clinton picture frame that working on it. Yeah, from working
on the campaign for a year.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
So we Thank god I never got involved in that business.
Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
You gotta be a much much better liar than I
ever could be. It's a challenge. It was a twenty
four hours it was like round the clock seven twenty
four to seven experience for close to ten months. I
was worn out when it was over, but I thought
it was very rewarding. We won. It was a you know,
I got to see what the campaign is like close
and personal and it was you know, but like I said,
(01:11:47):
it was fun once and I would never do it again.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So you know, all right, well again, thank you everybody
for enjoying this with us.
Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I'm having a great time.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Uh spread the word if you enjoy this and you
think you might know somebody who uh I might enjoy
it too. And uh, as Caitlin has said in the past,
the bigger we get, the more people will want to
come on uh and and and and talk to us.
(01:12:25):
And it's it's it's kind of it's kind of tough
to you know, get people, especially people that I know
that are like my It's like somebody said to me, hey,
would you and I did?
Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I did?
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Do uhat I've done Michaels Kennedy, Jim I did Jamie Kennedy's.
Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
A while ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But you know, get in the car, drive all the
way to the fucking valley and then But that was fun.
So I enjoyed doing this and uh, I don't know
what else I'd be doing. But I just be sitting
home like this now Kevin can.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Be talking to me on the phone and yeah, I'm
not recording it.
Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, that's exactly what i'd be doing, although I do
have a ten.
Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Year old home.
Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Takes up a little bit of my time, all right,
So thank you very much and uh well we'll see
you next week or the next day that this is
supposed to.
Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Come out whenever. That is all right? Uh did I
mention the hi hie goodbye? Oh yeah? This is who
is this? Bingo? Bingo bingo? Take us out? All right?
Bye bye, Jim, I'll talk by ex strange big Which
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ham would you choose?
Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
Look, Kevin, home without shoes.
Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Wouldn't you like to see there in yard a falcon