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August 7, 2025 62 mins
In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, we dive deep into Hollywood's past and present with an engaging discussion on a variety of iconic movies, actors, and directors. The conversation starts with a commentary on 'The Untouchables' featuring Kevin Costner, Sean Connery, and Robert De Niro, highlighting Brian De Palma's directorial mastery. We also explore the chilling impact of Ari Aster's 'Hereditary' and discuss the roles played by Toni Collette and Alex Wolff. The talk shifts to the Korean thriller 'Parasite' by Bong Joon-ho and Danny Boyle's riveting '127 Hours' featuring James Franco, and the legacy of movies like 'Miracle' with Kurt Russell, and 'All the President's Men' starring Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman are also discussed. Join us for this rich, cinematic journey, perfect for film enthusiasts eager to explore both classic and contemporary cinema.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
04:38 Directing Blood Bond
07:38 Bey Logan Update and Hong Kong Movies
14:08 Bob & Harvey Weinstein
27:32 All the President's Men
33:31 Discussing 'Miracle' and Kurt Russell
37:30 Reviewing Ari ‘Aster’s Hereditary'
47:53 Thoughts on 'Parasite' and Other Films
51:41 The Untouchables and Brian De Palma
01:01:07 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Guests
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared against my brain in order to say.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
That won't don't seem to so long as I know
they will you stop.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
I don't have to.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You have you have me on pins and needles. Jim,
you got an email you're going to text this morning?

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, I got an email this morning from that guy
who the author of that book.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, that's yeah, Mark Lee Gardner.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
And and he said something about having reached out to
you via your agent about narrating all of the audio
version of his book. And uh. And so I forwarded
the email onto a couple of your doing to read
it or or uh or I forwarded I forwarded it

(01:04):
to Jennifer and a couple of your email addresses.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely fantastic. I was just looking at the book yesterday,
and yeah, I've only read about.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
The first three chapters of it. I was waiting I read.
I read. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I actually I actually was reading it, Jim, because you know,
they don't have like yeah here like listen to it.
I actually had to read it, you know. But yeah,
so far, so good as far as his uh yeah
and our understanding of what happened Tombstone Fucking what is
that one hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
He gets such a great discussion of how Wyat stole
tax money from that town in Missouri where he was living,
and it was money he collected from circuses. He was
supposed to be collecting this tax money and instead of
handing over one hundred and fifty dollars or so, he
just put it in his getting rode out of town.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's why, that's why. Yeah, that's one of the charges.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Just for contexts. What's the name? What's the name of
the book? People?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
The book is Brothers of the Gun And and uh,
the email said, I'm writing because my publisher has reached
out to Michael Beach's agent about the postative ability of
Michael doing the narration for the auto book, but hasn't
received an answer as the deadline is podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
And he got the answer, yes.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Okay, give him my email, Jim podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah okay.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
And he said, uh, recommended Michael et cetera, et cetera,
So you recommended me, No, he did.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
The author.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I mean, he's been published by a major publisher, by Penguin.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, Penguin, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
And uh, but it sounds like they've been trying to
get a hold of you and uh and that that
fact wasn't getting through to you.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, so it was not okay, great nothing that thing
with my agents, it was good.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's kind of part for the course, Michael Bean that.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Maybe some guys.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Do we represent here, you're the job opera and we're
not going to pass it under a client.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's that sounds like my people. Hey, the
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Speaker 1 (03:29):
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Speaker 2 (03:34):
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Speaker 4 (03:38):
I drink sparkling water.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
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I give you, give me your address. You're gonna have
free Topo Chico for the rest of your life as
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What do you think about that? It's just a Mexican company,
And uh, I don't know. They guy that's that is

(04:01):
emailing me and I was dealing with was spoke English
and uh so there you go. What do you think
about that? That's pretty no money yet, but just free water.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Hey, free, I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I really do drink sparkling water usually kind of like flavored.
You know, I'm drinking some mind tangerine.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
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Speaker 1 (04:28):
That's refreshing.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I don't know if you're doing a bit right now,
is it?

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Is it refreshing? I know, I know, I know they're known, but.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
They give you free water.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah? So, uh Another thing I wanted to mention Jim
is that whenever it was a couple of podcasts or whatever,
I was talking about my two movie credits as a director,
and one of them is called blood Bond and I

(05:05):
do y yeah with bay Logan, and uh so I
guess at some point in my conversation. Oh here's another thing,
by the way, this thing that I do, this fucking
hand ringing. You don't see it, Jim, but like if
you ever, I know you don't watch them, but like

(05:28):
this hand ringing thing that I always do, Like what
the what the fuck is? First of all, I'm not
nervous at all, and uh but I'm trying to I'm
watching myself now. And first of all, I gotta keep
my mouth shut. I talked about that earlier, like just
don't walk around with it. Let me don't do the podcast.

(05:49):
And if you're not talking to shit there with your
mouth open like you've been doing since you were five
years old, don't bounce your feet. That's not like, doesn't
look very professional when you're shooting, keeps bouncing up into
your your your two tee shot, that's what we used
to call that shot. Hopefully he's got me there. I
know he's going to be lowering over this just a

(06:11):
little bit. Yeah, just as Jim would say, just a
little bit, a little bit, just a little bit this way.
They used to call this to teas. Give me to
Tea's on freaker, give me to Te's on you know
on Michael. Uh what was I talking about?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh yeah, bay Logan, So.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well you're talking about your hand ringing.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh yeah, the hand ringing thing that I did that
for some reason, I'm like doing this the and you know, Jim,
when I'm sitting home watching something, when I'm talking to you,
I'm talking about fucking wring my hands. That seems to me,
like when I was a child, that would be the
sign that you're like nervous or upset or have anxiety.

(06:52):
That you're like, anyway, I'm I'm learning. A year and
a half later, I'm like, okay, just don't do any thing, Michael,
just make your mouth move and then other than that,
you're good. Yeah, uh blood bond, thank you. I was

(07:15):
before that, I was thinking when you said hit your market,
say your line, I was thinking of just play basketball.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
What was the just dribble and shut up.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Or dribbling up?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, shut up and dribble.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah yeah you you basketball players shouldn't have an opinion
like we people that are really knowledgeable about what we're
reading off these Q cards and off of the whatever
you call telepropter in front of Yeah, not like us. Yeah,

(07:52):
so uh bay Logan, right, that's right. Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
We're getting there.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Choice Yeah. So anyway, bay Logan and I met him
when I got offered a movie in Hong Kong and
I went over there and the director's name was Daniel
something or whatever, and he had a pretty good reputation.
I went over there and I had a great time.

(08:22):
I met bay Logan, and Bay was the guy who
was like looking after me most of all because he
spoke English. He is English. He's from England, and as
a kid, what he just decided one day, I think
I'm going to move to Hong Kong and be like,
I love I love these Hong Kong movies and blah

(08:42):
blah blah. And anyway, I met him and we used
to have a blast. We used to have a ball laughing.
He's got a great, great sense of humor, which is
I appreciate, and Jim, but you got a great sense
of humor, and I appreciate more than anything else.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
If somebody can make me laugh. And we just had
a great time.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
A long way, it helps, and.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So he he then he's got a really good memory
actually because he uh came on to refute the fact
that when I was speaking about the very first job
that I directed, I referred to him as a as
a gopher on the first movie, and that seemed that

(09:30):
seemed to rub him the wrong way. He does have
a producing credit on that movie. But I did you
know I did that. I was just you know, sometimes
when you're doing this, like in life, you say something
you don't mean, or you say something like it comes
out wrong, comes out wrong. Uh, anyway, that came out wrong.

(09:54):
He seemed to take a particular umbrage to that comment.
And so he went on some podcasts someplace and proceeded
to talk about me and my misunderstanding of the facts
and the situation, and you know, he said some nice

(10:18):
things about me, but at the same time too, you know,
there was some sort of uh uh. You know, first
of all, we made this movie is fucking terrible together.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
We did it together.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
But this is a movie that I shot and then
I came back from Hong Kong, not from China. We
were shooting in China and I came back. It was
my understanding, and we'll talk to him about it. Oh,
because he's coming on the podcast next week. Okay, he's

(10:53):
living in Hong Kong, so we got to work that
out all right. Okay, So because I spoke to him,
because I went on this site where he was speaking,
and I just blew that site up, you know, just
fuck you. You know, this is Michael Bean. You know,
go fuck yourself. This is not that's not the way
that it happened, like over and over and over. And
they cut hit that podcast into three parts, and I

(11:17):
spent all day yesterday just like going to all all
three of them and just over and over and over.
It was like I obviously I don't have anything to
do in my life another shot at my agency.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I don't have anything to do with my life in
my life.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
So anyway, I wanted to get their attention and I
did and uh uh so I just spoke to him
about an hour or two ago, and uh we had
a wonderful time.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
We've always had a wonderful time.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I've always thought he was a lot of so funny
and fun to be around. And he's very successful at
producing movies in Hong Kong and he's still lives in
Hong Kong. And you know, I asked him about, oh,
you know, like what's the difference, like isn't it you know,
with China now because that was like when it was

(12:08):
that gym twenty years ago, about.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that looks how fast it comes up with that
nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
She's, well, it was the end of the century.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
After that they were going to party like it's nineteen
ninety nine. But the British treaty that gave them Hong
Kong ended in nineteen ninety nine. It was one hundred
year treaty.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay, so here we are twenty five years later. Yes,
and so I asked him like because I was like,
you don't even live there anymore. I was under the
understanding from because I looked him up and you know,
did my little research on him, and I was he said, no,
I'm still in Hong Kong. I'm like, oh, is it

(12:50):
like different and crazy if being you know, like being
in a Chinese rule. He's like, no, not at all,
Like unless you're like anti China, unless you're pro democracy
and you're walking around with flags. No, it's pretty much
the same, pretty much the same. So uh So, anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I you know, I.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Called him and uh I told him immediately that like, yeah,
I'm you know, I was doing you know, sometimes just
stuff comes out of your mouth and he and I said,
by the way, I apologized for even calling you that
like two podcasts ago, and he said, Michael, I know.

(13:36):
I said, oh you saw that, And he's like, well,
somebody told me. So there is more than you know.
There's somebody in Hong Kong that's paying attention, which I appreciate.
And uh now that we've got Topo Chico asir or
new sponsor, which I'm very excited about. Uh so we're

(13:58):
gonna have bay on on uh and Bay and I
told I told him, and you know like he's you know,
he got me too, pretty damn hard because what I
was talking to two you about Jim and and Kaitlin
was the fact that he's big Harvey Weinstein guy. Harvey

(14:21):
Weinstein hired him and you know the position, Jim, I
think you had spoken about the exact position that he
had over in Hong Kong, uh And you know, uh
finding content for a certain division of of of the
Weinstein Company. And in Hong Kong was a very fertile

(14:42):
territory in those days too, because there were a lot
of directors, you know, John Wu was coming out of
Hong Kong at that time, there were a number of others,
so it was fertile territory. You know, Uh, I sound
like I think we talked about this on the phone
a little bit. What what's the guy's name? He changed
his first name to Ringo Obviously he wasn't born Ringo Lamb.

(15:08):
But yeah, well, I told.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
You I was agent ing at that time, and I
had a client who had written a screenplay and he
was a producer as well, and he had Ringo Lamb
interested in his project. And the guy was really this
is about nineteen ninety four, yeah or so, and this
is around the time that John Wu was making Face
Off and Infernal Affairs was being refashioned into what was

(15:33):
that Departed? And so, you know, Hong Kong movies were
really hot, and definitely Miramax had an interest in importing,
you know, as many of them as quality ones as
they can get their hands on.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
So that was a pretty important position. Well, yeah, I'm
sure it was.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
And so therefore that's probably the way he took a
little umbridge with me calling him yeah uh so, but
you know he used to.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm doing the handwringing thing. Just tell me to shut up.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I got too many things on my list at this
point because I'm just gonna let you go on.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Don't do this, don't do that, don't do this, don't
do that.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, where were we?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Bay Logan is going to be on the show mm hmm,
loving this water Man, that refreshing water man.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Top of Chico. Anyway, this is the first time, so
see Top Chico.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Okay, So, but I remember that he was.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Very excited to be working for Harvey very Weinstein, very
very excited about I didn't even talk about it. Throw
that name around and you know, people's heads sturned.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
And you know, in those days, I would have too,
you know, I think anybody would have that. There probably
wasn't a more prolific producer around than the Weinstein brothers
at that time, you know, and that would have been
a terrific I thought that would have been a terrific
place to, you know, to work.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Harvey's reputation, I'm sure was sort of.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Known to some people at that time, but this is
the mid nineties and he was really rolling, getting behind,
you know, one successful movie after another, and you know,
it wasn't that well known what kind of person he was.
You know, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I hadn't heard. Had I ever told you Jem that
I was on an airplane and I was sitting Yeah,
I think you did.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
And not long ago, a few years ago, a couple
of years ago. It felt it feels like three or
four years.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, it feels like it was before COVID, Uh,
four or five years or whatever it was. Man, I
was go ahead, go ahead. I was just sorry, and
I was talking to this guy, and uh, you know,
he eventually said, well, you know, I produced one of
your movies.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I like squeeze me. You know, I'm like what you were.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
You were flying from like Kansas City to Tucson. It
wasn't like you're flying New York to LA where maybe
you might you know, you're sitting in first class, you
might expect to maybe sit next to a movie producer,
but when you're flying from Kansas City to Tucson, you
don't necessarily think that. And I think he asked you
if you'd ever worked with Quinton Tarantino, and you said, yeah,

(18:49):
I did this this uh uh grindhunsel was a calmed
uh this and and he said, yeah, I produced that
started out to be Bob Weinstein, yes, and was.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
On his way to spawn. I never done it.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yes, yeah, I produced that movie. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
And of course I didn't have any.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Contact with Bob Weinstein on that movie because he just
wasn't around. I never saw him. I just never saw him.
And maybe it was just too busy trying to make
Clinton and Robert happy, but I never saw him.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But it described Jim a little.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Bit about the we know about Harvey Weinstein, the Academy
Awards and all the wonderful those movies that he made.
Everybody knows the Brad Pitt's story where Gwyneth Paltrow and all,
you know, like everything's like everything's sort of like that.
But his brother was sitting next to me and he

(19:58):
was going to Tucson as where I was going to Tucson,
And he said he was going there to like just
like chill and like some spa some something in Tucson
where like.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Some golden door I think they call it or something,
the one that Don Simpson used to race off to
all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay, and uh, he was a pretty fascinating Can you
talk to talk a little bit about to the two
divisions of Weinstein and what were the movies that he made?
I guess as compared to the ones that Harvey made,
because I always had the feeling the ones he made
were the ones that made all the money, and the
ones that Harvey made were the ones that got all

(20:38):
the awards.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
I think he was, you know, I mean they they
the names changed at various times, but in those days,
I believe it was called Dimension Films, and it was
the kind of the home for Wes Craven, for Sam Raimi,
for the guys who were making the creepy movies, you know,
and and like I saw what you did last summer, Scream,

(21:02):
Scream two, Scream twelve.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Very profitable.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Oh god, they were.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
They were a license to print money, right, those movies
were and they they really were the proper center for
that company, Dimension Films.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And that was more or less Bob's bailiwick.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, But but Bob's what baileiwick, his his his Baileywick.
Wait a second, that's a word. I'm not that familiar
I have heard either the back that was his wheelhouse.
Is that what you're saying, Baileywick say that? Yeah, yeah,
look it up, bailiwick. You look it up. Man. I
don't have a fucking dictionary. And if you can, you see,

(21:39):
you can go to your phone right now. Uh oh, Baileywick, Michael,
But but I don't fucking you know, I don't have
a phone.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Here, but I got a computer. And a bailiwick is
one sphere of operations or particular area of interest.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
So that would be his Baileywick, that would be his particular.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
What his field, his field operations, his sphere of operation.
That's what it means.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, I was sitting next to him,
and he was pretty devastated about the fact that he
had made like ninety movies, the one and the ones
you're talking about, they were all kind of those type
of movies. And now and this was I think maybe

(22:28):
Harvey had just caught How long has he been in jail,
Harvey three years?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
At least five years at least.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, Well, I think that I think was on the
plane with him. I think it was about it was
about the time that you definitely did not want anything
to do with it. And he and he's his brother,
So I guess as a brother you're supposed to see
the behavior of your brother and say stop stop doing that, Harvey, right,

(23:04):
I guess that's you think. Yeah, well, I guess he'd
he couldn't get his brother to listen to him, or
he didn't yell loud enough, or he didn't threaten to
leave the company. Uh. You know, it's a situation too
where it's like somebody like Bay. You know, it is
down the line, and you know, who knows who know what?

(23:34):
Who knows? What did he know? And when did he know?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah formula Yeah, Yeah, it's just all.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Like a guilty by association thing. When it's Harvey Weinstein
and it's that big then it's like, all right, who's
around him? Oh, you guys must have known. I don't know,
so I would think that, Yeah, it's guilty by association
for those for like Bob and By and that sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, speaking at that, Jim, how long do you think
Gillian or whatever name is just going to be in
fucking jail another another six months?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
So you've got me on that one.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You got me.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
She's now she's I mean, she's you know, she said
what she's a seal.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
With Elizabeth Holmes. I mean i's or not. That's the
one who who who put together that Baraos scam up
in the Bay Area with that that company that can
do all kinds of bloodcasts with a pin prick.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I watched it. It was great.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yeah. And also one of the one of the one
of one of the real Housewives of Denver is doing
time there as well. So it's kind of like you
know the celebrity h celebrity jail, celebrity jail.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, this celebrity jail, no fences, no guards, you're just like,
you know whatever, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Uh, It's kind of like that scene and I think
Wolf of Wall Street after Leo goes away for all
the crimes and he's just sitting there playing tennis.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Kind of Yeah, I could very well be something like
that club fed they call.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
It club fed.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Uh uh, that's not that often. I asked you a
question and you say, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I got no fucking idea, we'll see. So uh anyway,
Uh so I I I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
It depends on what she has to say. But why
should anybody believe what she has to say?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Why should anybody believe anything these days?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
You know, with information?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
And was it truly uh the president, our president of
the United States, who basically kind of started in on
that that's fake news?

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Did we hear that much?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Jim? Before alternates, alternate facts, they called them, well, he
called it fake news, So so I can understand what
they called them. Alternate bat who called them alternate facts?

Speaker 4 (26:05):
L Kelly and Conway one of his mouth Well, but yeah,
before before that, before him.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Was people, Well, I've heard Nixon talk about the press
being fucking you know, they've been a have politicians been
attacking the press.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Since you won't you won't have me to you won't
have Nixon to kick around anymore. He said, famously and
then came back six years later and the press did
kick him around and essentially kicked him out of office.
If you ever watched All the President's.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Men, so well, I've I watched All the President's Men.
I've seen that movie. Even in the last year, I've
watched it and or listened to it thirty times because

(26:59):
up until recently, when I need to fall asleep and
I turn off the you know, I'm a person like
I don't need the lights off. I don't put any pj's,
Like what what I'm wearing right now except for my shoes.
That's what I'm going to fall asleep in. That's what
I'm gonna wake up in. And I'm gonna say to myself,

(27:21):
I'm just gonna go to the gym, So why shower? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And it's a vicious it's a vicious cycle. Every once
in a while, while take my son swimming. I did
a couple of days ago, and I said, okay, I
should should be good for a week or so. Uh
at the crown off for a few days. H So,

(27:48):
Bob Weinstein, Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You were talking about all the presidents men?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh, thank you. All the presidents meant to me is
you know you talk about top movies. That is a phenomenal,
phenomenal movie. And I forgot what we were talking about, Jim.
I think it was on the podcast, but it was.

(28:13):
That movie starts out with like this loud on the soundtrack,
very very yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Letters appearing on the on the screen like somebody.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
But you can't quite tell what the letters clack clack
clack clack, and uh boy, uh Robert Redford and Dustin
hoff and just fucking kill it, man, they absolutely kill it.
They're so good and yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
And William Goldman uh wrote a great book called The
Adventures in the screen Trade, and he wrote the screenplay
for that book.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
That was a tough thing to adapt.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
And his discussion of adapting that book is well worth reading,
well worth anybody he's read about what it took to
adapt that book, about the approach he took. Actually in
the book, the line followed the money yeah never appears.
He came up with that for the movie. But it

(29:13):
fits perfectly for you know how that investigation took off
and the directions it went.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
So.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, Goldman's contribution to that movie is quite considerable.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
All the pieces came together.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
It was beautifully directed and shot.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It really is the hand ing thing. And isn't that.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Wasn't that Robert Redford's sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yes, he was hanging around with Woodward and Bernstein before
the book ever ever came out.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
He was he was kind of following.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
The seventy two campaign, the election. He was very much
in a government supporter, and he got to know Woodward
and Bernstein and he was following them, and so he
had an inside track on the on the right to
that story. They were always going to be, you know,
in his hands. So he kind of put it together,
put the movie together.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's it's a fabulous movie.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
And he hold like.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
The sound at the beginning and the click clack, and
that movie actually won Best Sound at the Academy Awards.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
See, I can identify a great sound.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Just we we We even got a pet dog, a
puppy out of one of the members of the cast
of that.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, Penny, Penny Piser.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Justin Hoffman has a scene with her. He's trying to
pick her up at lunch.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I've heard about you, told me about you.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
What, I'm just like what I'm just talking uh and
uh it really pisses me off. I can't think of
these two names. The director and the guy who plays
the head of the owner of the company of the newspaper,

(31:17):
the actor.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Who director Alan of course, and Jason Robards.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
And Jason Robards. Jason Robards is so fucking good in
that movie. God, yeah, I'm not I don't understand why
he would have done that. Maybe that's why he continued
to drink until his heavy alcoholics. You know. Yeah, I

(31:48):
have never understood that, that that whole thing. But he
is something that that performance is like, he's you know,
he's so good in that. He that movie is so good.
It's so well written and.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Oh and performed too, and he really does like, you know,
almost chew up the scenery.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
He's so good in that.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Like when he tells them to go ahead with the story,
he says, there's nothing at stake here but the First
Amendment to the Constitution, that's all.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, and he just plays that beautifully.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So yeah, he's having a meeting with with with this
group people that work there and people that work for him,
and I think his lawyer, the lawyer of the.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Group says this could be dangerous.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
And the meeting breaks up and they're talking, all right,
you've got ten columns for this and three columns for
that and two columns for European, like whatever, and they
all leave the woman as as a lawyer gets up
to go. He goes like how dangerous. And the guy

(32:57):
proceeds to say, well, it's just like nobody else is
really talking about this, and like is it the poet
not the poet?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Was it the post?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Jim? Yeah, it was the Post?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, where does the post get?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Like? Who are these two reporters? And h h? And
he's so good in that. Man, that is such a good,
good movie. I really put that. Like I said, I
I will watch that movie. I love the beginning of it.

(33:29):
The beginning of the movie. Yeah, very it.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Holds up really well.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Especially when the movie came out about three or four
years after the event, we all knew how it ended.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And really movie, you know, you know another movie, another
movie that is like that, and I say, this is
this shows you what what a good movie it is is.
Kurt Russell played I think the coach miracle miracle.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
That I was thinking when I was like, okay, if
you think about the ending, that's funny. I had that
in my head before even said Kurt Russell as.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
My child, so you got my Jane. So yeah, Kurt
Russell and Miracle was a pretty pretty good movie. I
really liked it. And I haven't seen that since I
saw it, which is odd for me to not do it.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I think we went to the theater. We saw together
in the theater.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, the thing about it is that Kurt Russell does
that Canadian accent that basically after Fargo, and I think
this was after Fargo that he and he does that
Canadian accent that everybody in Fargo was doing and pushed

(34:55):
it just a little further and made it sound so ridiculous.
And uh, he really he really stuck with that and
did that.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
And uh that.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Who directed that movie, Gavin O'Connor.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Gavin O'Connor. Do you know who that is?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Jim No, Wow, Yeah he did.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
He also did a Warrior with Tom Hardy.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
He did the Count. The Count's quite good, yeah, and
so is so is the what's it called Brothers or
Warriors Warriors?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Warriors is really good.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Uh and until the very you know, like the very
end of that movie where one of the brothers breaks
his arm in the ring and because they're fighting each
other and one of them, breaks his arm and continues
to fight or his arms swinging, dangling.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
They really really Tom Hardy who is angry at his
brother Joel Edgarton. They're fighting in the championship match. It's
a good movie. And he won't tap. He won't Joel
has him on the ground. He won't tap, and he
I'm gonna have to break your shoulder if you don't
tap in Tom Hardy won't tap, so he pops his
shoulder like out of his socket. And then Tom Hardy
just keeps keeps. He goes, come on, let's keep fighting,

(36:10):
keep fighting, and he's trying not to and it's just
such a good movie. Yeah, I think plays the dead
in that.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, Nick Nolty does play the dead in that. That's
the last time I saw Nick Nolty where Nick Nolty
was like very had a really good part and was very,
very good. And he's also you know, he had to
play the character of the father who was never there.
Now he kind of wants to be a part of it.

(36:36):
He was a fighter himself, or he had a ring
or a gym or something like that, and it's kind
of let me back in your life, Let me back
into your life. Let me back into your life. And
obviously he was either such a drunk or a womanizer
or was never there for his kids that uh, you know,

(36:57):
they don't want anything to do with him throughout the
entire movie. That's what the relationship was like. And I'm
not sure that it ever changes. Uh. And so.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know, I saw what did I see recently?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I'm like, God, that was a waste of time. Oh yeah,
you know, Kaylen. Kaylen's saying to me, like, you know,
you talk about movies dad, this and that, and uh,
you know, they're all these old movies, and you know,
I'd like to be able to, you know, like talk

(37:31):
about movies that I like and stuff. And I'm like, well,
you got the fucking podcast. Go grab your brother. He's
a smart guy. You guys are like, you know, you know,
go go do it, you know. And uh uh But
so I this week actually I started, I said to myself,
I'm gonna I'm gonna watch a couple of movies from

(37:54):
this director Jim and I had this conversation with you.
Do you remember the name of the direct as yeah,
and do you remember the name of the movie that
I watched?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Is it called.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Hereditary Hereditary watch. Yeah, okay, so so I put it
on Hereditary. And first of all, if I had a
daughter who looked like that, she looked like Linda Blair
at the end, at the end of the exercist, I

(38:34):
mean that little that little girl is fucking scary looking.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
And uh, who are the cast members in that?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Give me a second.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's it's.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Alex Wolf, Milicia Piro and Dowd and Gabriel burn.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Okay, Gabriel Burne has got the and he's a wonderful,
wonderful actor, the most thankless fucking roll. They must have
paid him a lot of money. Uh. He's always pretty choosing.
He's really been in some good stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
And I can watch that movie over and over again.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I watched Who Did Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
he's just he's just got a thankless role in it.
But anyway, during that, so I'm saying to myself, Okay,
I need to sort of update it. I'll watch this
movie and uh uh, So I started watching it, and

(39:34):
it starts out with a family and a mother grieving
her mother's death, and then it's just kind of sad
at the beginning, and then her son and her little
girl go off to a party and our h she

(40:01):
I think, is not supposed to eat chocolate because she's
allergic chocolate. And he goes off to take a couple
of big hits off a bong, and she goes and
eats some chocolate and the next thing, you know, she
can't breathe. So the kid grabs the daughter and throws
her into the car and says, a dog, cats you,
I'm going to the hospital. Take you to the hospital.

(40:21):
She's in the back. He's driving fast. She's in the back.
He's like, Oh, you're gonna be all right. You're gonna
be all right, you know. And this girl, like at
one point she's like thirteen or twelve thirteen or something
like that, sticks her head out the window to get
like to get some breath, right, and he's doing like

(40:44):
eighty you know, they make a point of showing you
that he's doing eighty miles an hour, and she sticks
her head out the window and wham, I can she
hits a sign or a pole or something in our
head just comes completely off and fucking rolls down the
fucking street, right, And.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
So you know, cut to the kid who's.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Like, oh my god, and then he doesn't do anything.
He just drives home and gets into bed, and then
the next morning they do a close up on him.
They don't show the mother discovering the.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Headless body in the car.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
They they you know, they you know, they basically they
stay on his face and you hear, okay, I'm leaving
for an air and Honey and Gabriel Byrne in the background, okay,
we'll see I'll be in ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
You stay on this kid's face, and you stay on
his face, and I said.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, by God, bye, by God. Yeah. So this poor
Tony Collette, who's already been grieving her mother and and
and and and uh, it's just like I just totally
loses it. Like, you know, she spends so much of

(42:18):
the time in the movie as there's at one point
in the movie where I wonder, so anyway, so so
so she's great. She's just like I would be if
something happened to anything happened to my child. I just
be like, I just be like over the over the

(42:39):
top like that. And uh, and then it I think
it shows her the family at a funeral, and then
kind of the next thing, you know, the kids in
school and he's doing bong hits and ship in school

(42:59):
and he's not like paying attention in school and so
so odd for me. I'm such an like I need
a B C D.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Like I thought that this was going to lose you.
I was waiting for I love this movie. I love it,
love love it. But as soon as you said, I go, yeah,
this might be a tough.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
One for you. I followed listen, I followed it. I
knew what was going on, but I was like, and
I know it's an A twenty four movie, so.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
It's yeah, And I mean it's one of my favorite
all time horror movies. And I'm like a horror movie junkie,
and just it's unanimously regarded as I know, it's an
amazing But the.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Reason I watched it is because somebody of Note or
whatever Hollywood Report something was like, oh it's already a classic,
yeah you know. So I'm like, Okay, well this is
one I can like definitely, and there's something to me,
you know. It has a such a hard time, Like

(44:06):
I said, I need abc D. Where the Cops, the
guy takes two huge ball loads in front of a
bunch of other children or high school kids at a party,
and then he drives, swerves off the road and causes

(44:27):
the decapitation of his sister, and uh obviously feels bad
about it. But this you never see a police officer
saying like, well, you know, like what's going on? You know,
like it's just like where from Yeah, and you know

(44:50):
it's you know, and the kid being back in school.
You know, if that had happened to me or my
child or like, it just seems like that he wouldn't
be back in school for ever, you know, years. You know,
he was also grieving his grandmother's death. And then he's responsible.

(45:11):
Actually he's doing eighty I think there's a deer in
the road, and so he cuts to the right and uh,
and the headlops off and goes rolling down the thing. Uh.
And then they cut to the head on the side
of the freeway with like fucking a million fucking bugs

(45:33):
on it, like eating eating the fucking flesh or whatever
of the of the thing of her head, and no cops, nothing.
Then all of a sudden, he's just back in school.
And so she goes to these meetings. Well, anybody who's

(45:54):
seen it, you're gonna go see it, and like, I
have more trouble with that movie than I did when
I watched school Handlook, just put it that way, you know.
Uh uh.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
So, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
So I had a little trouble getting through that whenever
I have to. And obviously it's a huge hit. It's
Caitlin's favorite movie. Anybody that's like ten years or twenty
years younger than me loves it. It's already a classic.
And so just because I can't fucking appreciate every moment

(46:36):
about it, like that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
And there's there's a great shot in that movie and
it's later on, and my mom, moms, you didn't see
it if it's.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Later if it was later on, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
There's a shot in that movie. It's later on in
the movie, and there's a like kind of a spiritual
element that comes into you, this like it kind of
comes in and facts the family members, and it comes
in affects the mom and she kind of turns into
this like psycho essentially, And there's this shot of him
in his bedroom and he's.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Like, who's she?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Then the son's in his bedroom. Mom's gone crazy, and
he kind of wakes up and it's it's dark out
and it's just this long shot on him in his room,
and it takes you a while but you don't see it.
But eventually you see the mom is like on all
fours and is up in.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
The corner of the room like.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Like kind of stalking him, and it's just it's a
great it's a great shot that you don't You're like,
why are they on this shot for so long? And
then you see her and you look, oh.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Fuck, she's like like a like a bat in like.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
More like a spider. She's like she's like attached to
the wall and like.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
A like a cat, like a leopard.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yah know, she's on all fours on the side, on
the side.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Of the Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, like a spider.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
That was my That was my attempt to stay in
touch with the with the like, heyte what's going on now?
And like, you know, there have been a number of
movies now that I watch I don't like, I'm just
fucking I feel I don't want to be that old
guy who goes, uh oh movies, you.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Know me, that old guy who says I think the
world just passed me by.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
No, I don't, I really don't. It also happened to
me when they everybody loved so much the movie where uh,
everything's just kind of normal, and then I think it
won an Academy Award for Best Picture. Everything's kind of
normal and then everybody's at a big outdoor party and

(48:44):
people start killing each other. Korean movie.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Oh you're talking about Parasite.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, you see Parasite, Jim, No win Academy Best Picture, Jim, Well.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Not only now, but this is funny. So few weeks ago,
Time magazine released like there are one hundred either best
movies or most influential movies of the century.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Parasite was what number one?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Really?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, which there's the probably together.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
That.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, that was that. They got me. I got angry.
I was like, that's the best movie of the century
is Parasite.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
But well, when when you saw Parasite, we were like, yeah, no,
I thought it was good, but I've never rewatched it.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
When it first came out, I think you had a
screener for it and I watched it and I was like, oh,
this is this is good. But even that movie, I
was like, I don't think I'm seeing what everyone else
is seeing. Like I'm kind of dumb. I'm kind of dumb.
When it comes to movies. So I don't get all
like the symbolism and all that stuff too. So I mean,
I watched it, but I didn't get it. Like it
was being talked about and I was like, oh, this
is good, but it.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Was Jamie D. Curtison. And I'm thinking of another one
that I had trouble with. Jamie.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I think you're thinking of everything everywhere.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
You're okay, okay, two different Well let's go back to.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
The one that you were talking about, Parasite. Parasite. It's
a Koreand movie, and uh yeah, I just I didn't
get it. It became very very serious, very very fast.
And then there was something I thought was going on

(50:23):
to where there was an attempt at humor, like while
all this was going on, and the humor seemed to
be kind of vaudevillian sort of I don't know what.
I don't know what over the top, I just yeah
kind of. And then that was when they go into
the tunnel underneath. Do you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I don't really remember that. Again, I didn't really get
that movie either. I don't remember it very well. But
that director Bong June Ho. He also did Snow Piercer,
which is a movie that I love. That's that's very fun.
It's about and it's with Chris Evans and Chris Evans
and it's like it's in the future till the Swinton
is in it, at Harris is in it. It's in

(51:09):
the future. The world has pretty much been destroyed. It's
all like covered in ice, and it's about like a
train that runs constantly and all of human civilization exists
on this train that never stops running. But the train
car is divided into class systems, so if you're at
the back of the train, you're you're the poor people,
and they rise up and.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
And I've seen that or I've seen you know, whenever
you mentioned a movie, you know, like that one, I
either watched it or tried to watch it.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, because I know that.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I know that movie.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That one doesn't feel like it would be your kind
of movie. But but what I was gonna say is, I.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Think, are there any movies now that are coming out,
because listen, there's stuff on streaming that I think, actually,
I don't you know most of the stuff that I
you know, what I watched last night, Jim, that I
I maybe had never seen because they're so jealous of

(52:12):
Kevin Costner. I think I've seen parts of it or whatever,
but I really really like, I didn't, and I didn't
see the whole thing because I fell asleep, and I
saw at least half or three quarters of it was
the Untouchables.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And that, you know, covering that much like.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Time and characters and the big characters that were in
that movie and period piece, and you know, I was
really like, how come I didn't you know what? I
don't remember, like thinking like de Niro's in it, and

(52:56):
Kevin and it, you know it.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Sean Connery.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I I I've got to watch more of Brian de Palmer,
because I.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I've always.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I've always enjoyed his movies, but I've never been as
over the top about his movies as I have with
some of the other people that he came up with,
wasn't it Spielberg?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Oh yeah, well you remember that. There's a book called
Raging Bulls and Easy Riders about that, that kind of
codre of directors Spielberg, Milius, Lucas, Scorsese. Brian de Palmer
was definitely one of those group.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Part of that group.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Most of those guys were icy him clients when I
was there. De Palma definitely was, and that was right
around the time he made that movie. I like quite
a bit Casualty after Untouchables War Casualties of War.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Before you go there, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Talk about Untouchables, because you know, that's a I think
it's a great piece of popular entertainment.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Okay, okay, you.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Know, although, uh, it's all bullshit, but it's a great
piece of popular entertainment. And I've read a lot about
al Capone. I was kind of getting started on doing
a mini series.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Elliott Ness responsible for bringing al Capone to justice.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Elliott Ness was responsible for promoting elliott Ness. Elliott Ness
wanted to go in the FBI when he got done
in Chicago, but jaygar Hoover wouldn't have him because he
was too much of a self aggrandizer. He didn't have
very much at all to do with bringing down Capone.
Copone was brought down essentially by by some I R. S. Agents,

(54:59):
And there was guy in the I R S who
was a really interesting character who you know, could have
been an interesting movie subject. But elliot Ness really kind
of came along towards the end. What he was doing
busting up some of those factories, you know, with his
with his trucks. That didn't really put much of a
dent in Capone's operations. It was one when he was

(55:23):
convicted of tax evasion and sent off to prison at
the age of thirty that brought an end too al Capone,
you know. But but Ness was kind of a mess.
Ness was you know, if I told you that that
both Nass and Capone died pretty young, And if I
told you that one of them died a broken down
alcoholic more of his kitchen with a drink in his hand,

(55:44):
and the other died in his bed of natural causes,
surrounded by a family that loved him. Which would you
think was which? But it was Nass who died on
the kitchen floor and his his his life after after
The Touch of Bulls was pretty controversial and not very successful.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
So but the movie is good, you know, I mean,
Connory could he could? Could that be much better?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
You know the.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Chicago way he brings on if you bring on con.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
All great stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Shavid Mammontt really was having fun with that script.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You can tell.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Well, you're right, David Mammontt wrote it.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I didn't realize Mammott had so many screenplays. I just
didn't I didn't realize. I didn't know that he wrote
that Sean Connery, especially when he's kind of introduced to
uh Kevin Costner's character. Man, that that first twenty minutes

(56:48):
of Sean Connery on film, thirty minutes on film is
fact so good. He's so good. He's so like, uh
grounded and deep and kind of like, you know, like
you know, this guy has seen the world.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
You know, this guy is Scott like veteran.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
He's a veteran. Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
His exchange with Andy Garcia is pretty funny too, when
Andy Garcia flipped him some crap and he says, Oh,
I like this guy.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I like this guy. Yeah. Yeah. There is a character
in that movie. Jim played the bass player in the
Buddy Holly's Story and is a wonderful actor.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Do you know that his name Charles?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
He was Martin Smith, Charles Martin Smith.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was in a really true
movie called Never Cry Wolf.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yes, yes, kil Ballard director, And I'm not sure I've
ever seen that movie. I know that he was the
star of that movie, correct, Yes, Yes, Is Carol Ballard
a man or a woman, a man, a man, Okay.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
He shot, he was a He was a cinematographer for
years and then he he directed movies like Black Beauty.
Remember that movie?

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Is that the one with Mickey Rooney with Mickey Rooney? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
and and uh.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Uh and Never cry Wolf, which was set up in Alaska.
He was like a naturalist. It was kind of a
true story about the naturalist to go golop and lives
among the caribou for a year and uh, you know,
observes nature. But it's beautifully shot, as you would expect from.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Jam that. I think maybe Sean Penn directed. There was
a young guy who was like, I'm just gonna go
fucking camp.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Is that into? Is that into the wild?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I thought Sean Sean Penn directed that one, right, Yeah, yeah,
I didn't put your job too? And who who who's
that actor?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Emil Hirsch Her Yeah, okay, Yeah, that was an interesting
movie and that was uh yeah, you know, you've got
some talented people when you've got like one person in
the movie and yeah, you know, I like that guy's performance.
He's had a lot of a lot of me too

(59:11):
stuff going on too. But there was the actor Seth
Rogen's friend who played the character who who's a real
life character, who's a guy was out camping by himself
and he falls off of like down a creve.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, James Franco, James one hundred and twenty seven hours.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, seven hours.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, just him, mostly just him.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
In that movie. He meets a couple of girls at
the beginning of it. But that's that's that's can you.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
That there's Yeah, that's Danny Boyle. There's a scene in
that movie where he's having to cut his arm and
just the way Danny boiled, there's like one nerve that
is like the hard part to get and him like
cutting through the nerve and the sound of it. I
can never forget that that image, that scene when I
saw it, it's disturbing, but it's very good. I love
Dan Boil.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, that's a movie where you don't see very many people.
I think he meets a couple of camp Yeah, a
couple of yeah, I can't whatever. They are two girls
that he's kind of wandering around with for the first
twenty minutes of the movie. But that was that. That
was that was That was a great movie and kind

(01:00:27):
of that's also kind of going all over the place here.
I'm just going from like a movie that was a
good one, that was a good one too, Hey how
about that one? Hey? How about that one. I will
say it was a little disappointed that nobody had had
a chance to either and or watch and or write

(01:00:49):
about David Thulis and Naked A couple of Cod Pod
Cod Past, Cod Past, couple of podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I'm like, you gotta see this movie. You got to
see this movie. You got to see this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You know, and it's everybody writing it. Can you talk
about Navy seals? Yeah? Sure, I'll do Navy seals. Should
I plug TAPPA one more time? Okay, so this is
a time that we have to say goodbye. It's always

(01:01:28):
sort of sad. It's really kind of odd when you
when you're actually doing UPT. When I was doing Rosa
Baum's podcast, I would like when he comes to the end,
we don't have any guests here, so well, maybe I'll
get back to Bay and Bay coming into and about
his relationship with Harvey uh and we can talk to

(01:01:49):
him about that. But he's he's a funny ass guy.
Hopefully he'll be funny when we talk to him. But
he'll be in Hong Kong, so this will be the
first time that we have to work out the uh yeah,
the yeah. All right, Jim, I will uh uh, We'll
call you on the way home, and we'll just continue

(01:02:10):
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Until yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Up where we left. Remember you got it led to
a strange pig shoe. Which hand would you choose to
up the way to your way down? How would you
look upon someone? Thank you, Joe, to carry on with

(01:02:41):
our shoes
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