August 12, 2025 • 63 mins
In this week’s first episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, Michael and Jim navigate through a range of topics, starting from Michael’s childhood memories and evolving into a fascinating discussion on historical events and figures. The conversation starts with Michael reminiscing about his formative years in Nebraska and Arizona, walking to school, and an early encounter with a historical figure's home. The duo reflects on crucial moments in American history, touching on civil rights milestones, Martin Luther King's profound speeches, and significant legislative changes. They also talk about the gun control laws that prompted the famous gunfight at the O.K. Corral, and modern implications of the Second Amendment. Additionally, they share personal anecdotes about Michael's father, his remarkable baseball talents, and his own encounters with notable figures like John McCain.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:31 Podcast Plans and Personal Anecdotes
7:37 Bey Logan and Screaming on Set
12:40 Discussion on Civil Rights and Historical Events
22:17 Gun Control and Historical Context
28:22 Parade Experience and Public Reactions
32:37 A Parade with John McCain
36:22 Healthcare and Political Decisions
41:05 Family History and Baseball Dreams
49:24 Childhood Memories and School Days
58:52 Hollywood and Future Projects
01:00:14 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:31 Podcast Plans and Personal Anecdotes
7:37 Bey Logan and Screaming on Set
12:40 Discussion on Civil Rights and Historical Events
22:17 Gun Control and Historical Context
28:22 Parade Experience and Public Reactions
32:37 A Parade with John McCain
36:22 Healthcare and Political Decisions
41:05 Family History and Baseball Dreams
49:24 Childhood Memories and School Days
58:52 Hollywood and Future Projects
01:00:14 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared war against my brain in order to say.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That won't don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as I know they will be on time
the stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
The days I don't have to. Did you hear me, Jim?
Just now what? Uh uh listen Topo Chico. I didn't know.
I thought it was just water that I was.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's hard Siltzer.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Okay. I didn't know that they have like all different brands,
because this is just what they've been sending me and
asking me to promote. Yeah, well we're on the clock gym,
by the way, just so you know we're back. It
just they got hard siders. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, hard drinking drinking.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I hope not. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Do you have a candimate there?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No, I gotta buy. They sent me bottles, a bunch
of bottles, like big bottles.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, say hard Seltzer.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh no, it's his mineral water.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's okay, okay, No they do.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Apparently they have hearts. Well, because I looked.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Up somebody over there likes this, Jim. That's all I
can say.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, my goodness, I could definitely become a fan of
the product, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah yeah, uh okay, so uh we're starting a new podcast,
gym Ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Mineral.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I just wanted to Google, is it illegal to pretend
you have a sponsor when you don't? And they go, yeah,
that's false advertising, so it is a legal for you
to do that. So I don't I don't think they
would give a fuck. But again, I'm just checking all advertising.
Pretending a company is a sponsor of your show without
their actual involvement can have significant legal repercussions.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh, ship now you tell me, you tell me. I
thought I fucking uh, I was really gonna and basically
I just said, I don't know you heard me talking
to my son, but I said, the fucking Combe brother
said it's based on true events. Can't they be sued for,
(02:39):
you know, like making a movie saying it is based
on true events and it's not based on true events.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, if the event isn't true, then there would be
nobody to sue them.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, there's nobody to sue them. Uh all right, Well
I'll let you fucking you want to drop out.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And I'll just leave this all in there, you know,
ship Man.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh yeah, we got a new sponsor. I was I
was just saying to Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
H uh, I forgot.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Forgot what I was just saying to him, something about like,
oh yeah that you know, somebody over the company thinks
we're as soon as we come back, as soon as
we do the next one. I'm just gonna say, yeah,
somebody over that company just thinks this podcast is fucking brilliant.
It's just gotta fucking pop off. And we're just kinda like,
(03:30):
you know, every once in a while, we'll have somebody
that they.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Went on in the early want on in the early stages.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah yeah, and uh uh you know so I uh am,
now I'm all deflated. Now I'm all deflated that I
found out I broke the broke the law and the
lobby damn.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, anyway, it's pretty good water. The reason why I
picked it was just because I see it people drinking
it all the time, and uh, they're not sponsoring us,
not sponsors.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Uh uh, we're promoting them pre a charge.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, we're promoting a free of charge. There you go.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We can do that, right, I think, so, yeah, we
can do it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Okay, Well that's what we're doing. We're promoting. And here's
the thing, Jim, is not everybody listens to the podcasts
that much. They'll just like pop in and we don't
have two hundred thousand viewers yet, you know. So I'll
just continue to act like I'm promoting it, and people
(04:47):
that are popping in and out will just think, oh,
he wouldn't be doing that over and over again unless
he was getting some or they were getting meaning me,
you and came getting some compensation from it. So I'm
to stick with us, Okay, I just won't say that
they're sponsoring us anymore. I'm like, have you tried Topo Chico.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It's Topo Chico too, by the way, all right, well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Write it out for me.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, they'll be calling you any time.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, Topo not to.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Chico. I think. I think we'll get a letter from
them that starts cease and.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Dear cease and taking a drink from it right now.
So I so I get this text about once every
four shows as I'm driving here, Dad, there's no water.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Bring your own water. That's what I got today, Dad,
bring your own water. I'm like, okay. So that's when
the scheme in my mind. I started thinking, hey, you know,
here's what and I was looking should I do diet coke?
Should I?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I was like, but this is this is the one
one that I settled on.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, there was one episode where you brought in like
a big, giant, ventsy Starbucks sugar thing and one commenter
was just like, I just want to know what Michael
bean Starbucks order is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I you know, that's just filled with sugar. And
I like to stay awake while I'm doing this. That's
always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it does help to be awake. But then I
you know, uh, gotta not fall asleep on the on
the way home. Uh Okay, what were we just talking
about to Chico? Anything after that? Did I say? I've
got no like, uh from where I'm I had thought
(07:00):
in my head where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to
say this next. But then when you get to be
my age and you have had a brain entry in
the past, you'll think of like, oh, I want to
say this and if I have to wait more than
about ten seconds, or it could be that I'm kind
(07:22):
of that eighty h thing that just like, oh my
brain just can't hold on to one thought for more
than ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Pall Machine, Thank you, Jim, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, you guy who's been fucking hanging around me for
fifty years. Okay, so I think that we've we've uh
spoke about Bay and the fact that Bay's coming in,
and uh we'll get the controversy of the first film
(08:01):
that I directed, which is, I think what happened is
when you make a film, and I actually kind of
had fun. I was certainly energized when I get energized.
Another thing Base said to me also was that, or
he said this on the other podcast about me making
(08:24):
that movie, was that I'd get angry and start screaming,
and that I made Christian Bale look like fucking And
the fact of the matter is, and once she's on
the fact of the matter is is he was absolutely true.
That's absolutely true. But I like to point out that
(08:49):
it was really me just yelling at the fucking gods
because like, none of them spoke English, so none of
them knew what I was saying. And and another thing too,
when Christian Bale got angry, he got angry at somebody,
(09:10):
and he was angry at that cinematographer and he said, oh,
kick your ass, sure, Christian, climb out of your terminator outfit.
You walk over and punch out your DP. And he
went on for about uh, about a minute and a half.
And I've I've had many many times I've been on
(09:32):
a set before and gotten angry and fuck, this fucking
doesn't work. Just give me a fucking you know, all right,
and that that five second or eight second sort of moment.
I've had many, many, many, many of those dozens on
Navy seals when I was doing Navy Seals.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I know what I wanted to do is I've always
talked about doing a podcast as being my way of
writing a book. And my book and so you know,
at some point, not that anybody's gonna fucking care, but uh,
somebody could stitch together an hour and a half of
ten years of us doing this and maybe come up with,
(10:17):
you know, like an idea of who I was. But
I did want to There is some confusion. First. First
of all, my name is is pronounced Bean. That that
that I would like to say, because nobody knows how
now they know how to pronounce my name. It's only
(10:37):
been about the last really five years, five and people
still get it wrong every once in a while. It's
it was always be In, and I think it was
because people were frightened of calling me Bean when my
name really wasn't Bean.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Go ahead, and the eight probably throws them off too.
You know, I think they think they need to pronounce
somehow alone leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, uh so, yes, my name is pronounced bean, and
I was just kind of like to Basically, when you
go on Wikipedia and and or any of those sites
(11:28):
that are like that, they've got it. They've got it
pretty right. They've got how many children I have, they
have where I was born, they have date. There's a
little bit of confusion about whether I grew up in
Nebraska or I grew up in Arizona. And what really
happened is that I grew up in Nebraska. I was
(11:53):
born in Alabama. I grew up in Nebraska, and then
I moved to Arizona and went to high school in Arizona,
and then I left there. I went to Tucson thinking
I might on a on a drama scholarship and uh
(12:14):
basically flunked out of school.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But so, do you do you have any memory of
living in Alabama or did your family move to Nebraska
when you were so young?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, don't, I don't. I don't have any memory. Jim,
My father was in the army and he went down Uh,
they sent him or he was stationed in Alabama. And
the the base that he was stationed at, it's just
(12:44):
closed down about five years ago, been around for a
long time. I can't think of the name of it
right now, but I was down down there, and that
was when I was born. And and I guess for
the first I was born in fifty six or sixty four,
let's say sixty three sixty four, first eight years of
(13:08):
my life. If I'd stayed in Alabama, that was the
Jim Crow South.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh, absolutely, the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know. That is remarkable to me that in nineteen
sixty eight. I'm not in nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty four,
when did Jim Crow and Jim Well, you know, sixty
(13:40):
sixty four.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Legally, the law that the really major legislation of nineteen
sixty four, the Civil Rights Act of sixty four. It
is what basically outlawed segregation, Okay, And that was the
Civil Rights the big piece of legislation, the bill in
(14:03):
nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Johnson.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Johnson pushed it through. It had been introduced by Kennedy,
but it was going nowhere through the Senate. And then
after Kennedy's assassination. Johnson kind of gathered all his people
together and he said, we're going to push this bill through.
And he said, what's the presidentcy four if not to
push for something like this. And he pushed real hard,
(14:29):
and he pushed against his old allies from the South,
like Richard Ruffel, who were really strongly against it. And
he told them and they told him, you know, Linda,
you're going to lose the South for Democrats for generations
to come. And he said, I know, we are, but
we have to do this, and he pushed it and
he got it through. He pushed it through in sixty four,
so and that was a very consequential piece of legislation.
(14:54):
It was followed the following year by the Voting Rights
Act of sixty five. But those are the two really
big pieces of civil rights legislation, and they came after,
you know, the Brown versus Board of Education Supreme Court
decision came in fifty four, and that really kicked off
a decade of quite a bit of turmoil, fifteen years
(15:15):
of turmoil.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And Brown versus the Board of Education had to do
with letting black people and white people go to the
same school.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep, okay, yep. To be to be to Kansas I
was fifty four.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, you know, I didn't. When I was a child,
from about the time I was able to swim, probably
six or seven, my parents used to drop us off
at the y MCA and Lincoln, Nebraska, and there were
(15:51):
a lot of black kids there, a lot of white
kids and a lot of black kids. And it never
really never really dawned on me. I never knew. And
I grew up in a family where the proper way
to uh uh describe a black person was to call
(16:14):
them a negro. And when uh, you know, uh Martin
Luther King when he's talking about his race and all
his famous speeches, speaks of his race as Negroes. And
I don't know, I don't know when and how it happened,
(16:35):
but I guess it was Black Power and uh sort
of that group that turned into me personally calling uh
black people black black? You know, that was just the cool,
that was the way, That was what it was all
about for a long time. And then when was it,
(16:59):
Jim that we went to African American you know, that
was I don't know, I don't know if you really
have an answer for that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Oh, you know, in my memory, it would be in
the early seventies that we went to African American from Yeah, yeah,
because when I was in college, we started we started
hearing about black studies programs and they were called Black
studies programs, and now in universities there you know, African
(17:30):
American studies. But but we did go very quickly, I
think from because you're right, when Martin Luther King was alive,
he would use the word negro. He used the word negro,
and he is famous. I have a dream speech about
the negro not having, you know, needing to cash a check.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Then have you ever seen, Jim, have you ever seen
this documentary on Martin Lither King that I saw like
a week ago or two weeks ago, And I don't
know the name of it. I think it's somewhat somewhat newish,
(18:09):
not like this year or whatever, but like in the
last ten years. I think it's somewhat newish. Did you
ever see him, you know, after he gave his most
famous speech. Did you ever see the speech that he
gave after that where he was I guess it was
(18:32):
in between that that that speech where he said I
may not be there with you, I may you know,
like there was that, and then and then he was
where was he killed? Memphis?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He was killed in Memphis fourth in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Well, it's unbelievable that you come up with that information.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It was it was the night before that he gave
a speech and he didn't want to go. He didn't
want to go, right, but but we took Ralph. Everis no,
we never talked about the before. But he didn't want
to go. He was in Memphis for a strike of
garbage workers and uh, and it had gotten kind of
out of hand a few days before and got kind
of violent, and he was trying to calm things down
(19:17):
and uh and and he didn't want to go to
this rally. But Ralph Abernet, everybody's expecting you, and he
was kind of sick. So he showed up and he
and he seemed to foreshadow what was going to happen
because he said, you know, I may not get there
with you.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Doesn't he say that in the But doesn't he say
that in his most famous speech, they may not get you?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, he says that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Not.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, it depends on what you consider his those famous speech,
probably his best known speeches. I have a dream yes,
in nineteen six that's in nineteen sixty three, at a
at a rally at Lincoln Memorial in Washington, d C.
In August.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like, how many people were at that rally?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh? The whole home mall was filled. Yes, hundreds of
more than more than more more.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
People than we're at the Trump inauguration a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Little bit by a little bit. Yeah. But the night
before he was assassinated, he went to that uh uh
you see this quoted quite a bit too where he
went to that rally and he said, uh uh, you know,
I want you to know that we as a people
will get to the Promised Land. I may not get
there with you, but we as a people will get
(20:29):
to the promise Land.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Is that the last speech he gave?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, Yes, but we as a people, because I've been
to the mountaintop and I have seen the other side,
and we as the people will get to the Promised Land.
You know. And and he's you know, real worked up
when he walked off the stage, and of course he'd
be dead twenty four hours later.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Twenty four hours later.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
There's a fabulous book called hell Hound on His Trail
by a writer named Hampton Sides about James Earl Ray
stalking him. Did you know that James Earl Ray lived
on the Hollywood Boulevard a couple of months before he
went off and shot Martin Luther King. He was living
in an apartment on about you know, a couple of
walks east of where you and I were living on
(21:11):
Hollywood Boulevard taking dance classes. I should have gone. He
was taking dance classes, living on Hollywood Boulevard, and he
decides he's gonna go shoot Martin Luther King. He went
out and bought a thirty out six and drove off
to Alabama, and he was kind of trying to stock King.
And when he out think he was going to be
(21:32):
in Memphis, he drove up to Memphis.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You know what I watched recently, got so much of
this shit happens, and it kind of it comes, it
goes you forget about it was that McDonald's shootings that
took place in Chicago, I mean in San Diego and Diego.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
God, there's some footage in that documentary. There's the cops
led in a reporter and boy, that's a brutal documentary
to watch. And they killed like there's like twenty people
and children.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, twenties, like twenty two or twenty three people.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think, ah Man, that that documentary is like if
you don't have like a very strong you know, constitution
as far as looking at that kind of stuff. Uh,
you know, I don't. You know, we've talked about this before, Jim.
They you know, assault rifles were banned in the United
(22:35):
States for a period of time.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
In the early nineties. I think when when Clinton was president,
there's been a I think a shooting in San Jose
or something that bolthd those semi automatic rifles, and we
did institute a nationwide thought.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I thought it was I thought it was when Hallam
president was shot. The president was I thought it was
when not Nixon like Reagan, after Reagan was shot. No,
it didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It didn't happen until nearly ten years after that. It
was in the nineties that that well, you needed a
democratic president, democratic Congress I think to pass it. But
they passed that assault weapons ban and it prohibited prohibited
the sale of weapons like AR fifteenth. How long and
then when when well, when George Bush became president, he
(23:37):
let the band lapse and didn't do anything to reinstate it.
So it went out fifteen. It went out about twenty
years ago. It was only in effect for about ten years. Yeah,
minute went out of fact.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
So now you know, it's interesting that I think maybe
we said this on the podcast here.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But the guy, the guy who went after the NFL
a couple of days ago, had an air of fifteen
in his hand.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
The NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He was the guy.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
He tried to go after the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
He took a wrong turn the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, what was this in the last two weeks?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think it was in New York about a week ago,
less than a week ago.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
How did he kill I think three three.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Including a police officer with a baby. I think another
one on the way. I think he killed a woman
who I think he killed a woman who worked for
an investment company. It was an office building in Manhattan
(24:41):
where the NFL has its headquarters, and I think that
was his target. But he killed a couple other people too.
In this big investment company called Blackstone has its headquarters there,
and he killed one of their one of their senior
women executives.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah. This documentary that I watched just it's just devastating
for not only the families, but for the police department
and all the responders trying to being being sort of
blamed for maybe not making the right decisions at the
(25:18):
right time and having to live with uh the idea
that you know that you were unable to make, but
you've done more. What else could you have done? Yeah,
I mean about ten years ago I got you know,
(25:41):
when I was doing aliens and especially Navy seals, we
were using those type of weapons, and they just uh
for me personally. And I'm not trying to like everybody's.
(26:02):
It is what it is, and it's going to stay
that way. You know. The right to bear arms is
what the second Amendment him is that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Right it is?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And I you know, I understand that to protect your house,
protect your family, and protect yourself, you know, but you
and I recently and maybe it was on the podcast
kind of chuckled. I guess you could call it chuckle that.
Uh back when when during Tombstone that gunfight happened according
(26:37):
to history, all the history that we know about it, Uh,
you know, because uh, the McClary brothers and the Clanton
brothers weren't hadn't haven't hadn't given up their their weapons
to go into town.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
To surrender your weapons.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, to surrender your weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
When you came into town before your.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Weapon, before you went into Tombstone, you had to surrender
your weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Uh. And you could turn them into the sheriff's office
or any of the major bars would take your weapons,
but you had to you had to put them out.
And the reason that, uh, it's accurate in the movie
and it happened in real life. The reason that that
Virgil went uh kind of got the group their band
(27:26):
together to go after the McClory's was because they were
carrying arms. They were they had side arms on them.
Now they were leaving town. But still remember when he
says to in the movie when Sam Eliott says, it's
the law Wyatt, you know, yeah, wall. The wall was
you're not allowed to carry your firearms, not allowed to
have firearms. So that's what they were they were going after.
(27:48):
And remember as they're walking up, Johnny Bean says, I
already disarmed him, which he hadn't done, but he's saying
that to try to get the ers to calm down
because you can tell what was about to happen. So yeah,
but it was it was basically uh uh gun control
that they were That was the the approximate cause of
the gunfight at the OK Corral. Well, gun controller.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You and I talked and I you know, I said
to you, well carry him now in Arizona. Yeah, you're
in Tombstone now, man. Not only can you carry your
side arm, you can bring.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Down you can be healed going into Tombstone these days
without any problem whatsoever, can be healed.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Uh, well about it might not have been ten years ago,
but somewhere between like six seven years ago, I got
invited down to Tombstone. I think it was for the
first first or first or second time I had ever
gone down to Tombstone itself, because when we were making Tombstone,
(28:54):
we shot it in mescal and Tucson. I never even
went to I never even went. It was just another
fifteen miles away. I was too busy doing other shit
you to go visit the real Tombstone. What the fuck
am I talking about? Oh? Guns? Oh yeah, I had.
(29:21):
I went to Ah, let's see my son like tensing
up a little bit. Come on, dad, you.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Can do it, You can do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. So I went for it was like a parade
and uh.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
A T shirt designed that was a an assault rifle
with a circle around it, with a line through the
circle over the top of it. And I had that
designed and I when through the streets of Tombstone when
(30:09):
the parade started, we started moving, I took off my
coat and proceeded to be in the parade. Remind me
about John McCain and the other parade that I did
if I talked about John McCain on this before. Okay,
you know you and you know my story about John McCain.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Jim, No, I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Okay, well it's not there's not that much to it.
There's not that much to it. But anyway, so, uh so, anyway,
I I I do that, and I go through the parade,
and I was actually a little bit disappointed, like it
didn't seem to affect anything or anybody. Nobody came up to.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Me, nobody reacted.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Nobody reacted to it at all that I can remember,
Like nobody yellse the side of this thread, what's that bullshit?
You know? Like nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing. And then what happened, Jim,
I went home or stayed in the hotel.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That night, and uh.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
The next day, it like was all over the internet.
I blew up on the internet. There's still nobody like I.
You know, I walked down and having breakfast and Jennifer's
like seeing it on her phone and like just like
all over the place about how I'd worn this shirt
and the entire time I was there, because I signed
(31:39):
autographs and sold pictures and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I was there for hours and hours and hours
of meeting people and signing pictures, and uh, nobody said
a fucking word to me personally.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Shirt that whole time, right, wearing that shirt the whole time.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, Now, I wore that during the parade. I didn't
where that the next day.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I just well, I meant, while you were signing autographs. No,
but you weren't that day, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Then I didn't wear it today I was signing autographs. Okay, okay,
but you know, uh uh. Anyway, it really doesn't make
any difference. It just kind of goes to show you, though,
that people have like what are they like liquid courage
with booze, They need to come up with with an
(32:27):
expression like that that has to do with the Internet.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They call them keyboard warriors.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Keyboard warriors. Thank you, younger generations.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I knew there would be an expression, and of course
comes up with it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Uh So anyway, John Kaine, well, it's another parade that
I did. I was in Lake Havasu and he was
running for the Senate, I believe in Arizona. And I
(33:08):
had maybe done Aliens right around one of those years.
Uh and uh and maybe I had done the Abyss,
but I think a terminator Aliens, that kind of thing,
and it was in It was in Lake Havasu City
where I went to high school. I'm going to get
back and start from the beginning again. We'll go back
(33:29):
to Alabama. We didn't get we didn't even get out
of Alabama. Cham on the last on the last one,
or do we start this one the Alabama started?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, well we started with Topo Chico.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
This is confusing. Uh So anyway, we so we sat
in a car together. John and I sat in a
car together, and as we waited for the parade uh
to start. And then as a par age starts, if
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you're not the first car or the second car, or
the third float or whatever it is, you still have
to sit there and wait. So I spent about twenty
minutes sitting in the backseat of a car with John McCain,
and I didn't know that much about him. We talked,
(34:28):
I can't remember talking a little bit about him being
a pilot and wow, well I know he was Jim.
I thought that that I didn't know him well enough
to ask him what the Hanoi Hilton was like, which
(34:49):
I'm sure was, you know, as fucking bad as it gets.
I didn't know him well enough to kind of go like, Hi,
my name's Michael Bean. What the fuck was it like
being in fucking hand? I feel fucking sick years, you know,
but uh, you could tell he was kind of fucked
up from a physical standpoint of yeah, from being and
(35:12):
as it turns out, from being you know, being tortured.
And I didn't I didn't really want to go there,
but I did, or maybe I was trying to go
there a little bit by asking him about being a
pilot and you know, the different and how he had
gone about getting his uh pilots. Uh you know he's
(35:33):
the Navy, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
He was, yeah, like at the bottom of the correct yes,
but he came from a very different.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Was at the bottom of their class and uh.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Custom coming out of West Point. Okay, yeah, but but
but his family. He came from a family of admirals.
His father was an admiral, his grandfather was an admiral,
distinguished careers, et cetera. And he was kind of like
the fuck off, you.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Know, uh, yes, you know, yeah, very black sheep, kind
of the black sheep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah. Family barely barely squeaked through the academy. And and
then you know, became a pilot.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
What was the vote and he's a go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You were saying, what was the vote? Oh, just that
he seemed to mature the comes down. Yes, that was
to kill the Affordable Care Act, to kill Obamacare when
Trump was in Trump's first term and came down to
one vote whether they were going to kill Obamacare, and
(36:45):
he came into the Senate.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
It was at that time because it wasn't there was
he sick at time.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think he was just been diagnosed, because there might
have been some question if he was going to be there.
But he came in and he held his arm. See,
it was impressed about him at that time, Trump Trump.
But you were talking about he uh him being kind
of his injuries from the war, his his plane crash
(37:13):
and uh he torture hair shooted out and from the torture.
But his shoulders were broken, so he couldn't raise his
arms much, so he could barely kind of hold his
arm out straight. And then he turned his thumb down
like voting no. And that was quite a quite a
you know, copied gesture and remarked upon gesture. But it
(37:35):
was a dramatic moment, definitely, And it was it was,
you know, has turned his thumb down but like his
middle finger up towards Trump at the same time. Is
what that gesture seemed to imply, because he was obviously
going against what Trump wanted at that moment. Yeah, but
(37:58):
by then Trump had already called him the loup. And
he didn't like people who got who got captured.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
What was it? What was it about the being captured? Uh,
he didn't respect the service members who got captured.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, well he said that that he said that McCain
wasn't a hero because he got captured. He liked people
who didn't get captured. He preferred people who didn't get captured. Yeah.
Uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Anyway, I got to I got to spend some time
with him, and.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Uh, he was.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
He was pretty you know, down to earth, and I
don't you know, he didn't know who I was. I
explained to him, and you know he kind of gave me,
uh that look of like, oh, well, that's you know,
fantastic their son, you know type of thing, not me
(38:59):
not knowing. Yeah, him not knowing. You know, I guess
he hadn't. I guess he hadn't had time to see
the terminator, uh or aliens. But he was Jim. You know,
the big fat, pretty wonderful, ugly bill. What's it?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Oh yeah, one big beautiful.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Bill, one big beautiful bill that just came out, just
that takeaway some of that healthcare that he was voting against.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I think it's it's a question of we'll see. Some
of those provisions were delayed to go into effect after
uh the next election. For example, the changes to medicare.
You know, they talked about how they are to medicaid.
They talked about how they're cutting close to a billion
(40:07):
dollars out of Medicaid. Uh, those changes won't come about
for another couple of years. And you know, yeah, that's
a pretty and there and there's so many ramifications, so
many details, and there are certain formulas that yeah, they're cutting,
it's going to be tougher. It is going to be
a lot tougher on rural hospitals for them to be
(40:29):
able to stay and afloat. And supposedly the bill contains
some fifty billion dollar budget to help rural hospitals, but
that's you know, really just putting a band aid over
the issue it is really going to affect. If it's
really going to affect rural healthcare and rural hospitals considerably
if it does fully go into effect. I have a
(40:50):
feeling that, you know, they put it off, put off
the effects long enough down the road that they can
get it corrected before it takes full effect. Like there's uh,
you know, if the Democrats take to the House next time,
which they may, they may well do, and they may
get you know, jerrymandered out of doing that if Texas
goes ahead and you know, tries to jerrymander five more Republicans.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
All right, yeah, this is uh. I think we started
the con I started the conversation by saying that I
wanted to talk a little bit about the fact that
I was born in Alabama and you asked you asked me,
what do you remember and nothing, and we kind of
(41:37):
got off into civil rights and Martin Luther King. But
my dad was in the service, and uh, when I
asked him when he did in the military is he
worked in the chemical weapons department. And I remember thinking
at the time, Wow, that's like, wow, that's kind of
(42:03):
a bio weapons chemical chemical chemical bioweapons that yeah, that
nasty stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
And uh, what I found out was that he was
a lawyer. And that's what he did.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
He was a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And you know, he didn't have anything to do with designing them.
He didn't have anything to do with like deciding where
they were going to be, didn't. You know. He was
just a lawyer. And and and I guess the army
needs lawyers to to And but my father, I grew
(42:43):
up in Nebraska, in a small small town in Nebraska,
and he played baseball. His father was a big sports guy.
My dad played baseball and he got to be uh
when when he got in high school, hooked up with
a really good coach in one of the schools in
(43:05):
Chicago called Niles, Niles West, Niles the East, one of
those schools which I think is closed down in the
last ten years, one of those Niles schools. And he
played baseball.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And I think i've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, he was a picture. He was left handed. I
should you know, I don't. I'll have I'll have Kaitlin
do do this. I'll I'll send a picture of my
father playing baseball. Uh. And he was a left handed pitcher.
And there's a picture of him, you know, in a
(43:39):
wh in his wind up where he has got his
right knee up and his left hand behind him and
the left hand is nearly touching the ground. Really quite
it's really quite a picture picture. And he he uh
got out of He went to high school in Nebraska,
(44:04):
but somehow he was around the Chicago. Maybe it was Chicago.
Maybe it was Chicagoerry he went to I'm sorry, that's right,
it was Chicago, Chicago. He went to high school the Niles.
Those Nile schools were all in Chicago. So he used
to work out with what's the name of the Chicago
(44:25):
baseball team, the Cubs. He used to work out with
the Cubs, and so he used to pitch to the Cubs.
And when he graduated from high school, they offered him
The Cubs offered my father a contract with a signing bonus.
(44:47):
He signs the contract and he gets paid twelve thousand
dollars and my father, who wanted to go to college,
didn't take it. But that's how good of a pitcher
he was. He went on to a school in New York.
(45:10):
I don't think of the name of that school. It's
not kind of an odd name. He went on to
a school in New York and played baseball on a
scholarship at that school, and.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Uh had an.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Incredible college career and played in the College World Series.
He pitched in the College World Series.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, and he uh uh damn, damn. I can't think
of the name of his of his college while I'm
telling this. You can name a couple. Yes, Rutgers, thank you, right, Yeah,
I don't know how you pulled New Jersey. Oh, it's
in New Jersey, Okay, that that was it though. It
(45:58):
was Rutgers. That's where that's where he went to school,
and that's where he pitched, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
They had a great, great, great team.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
And then my grandfather, who was a high school coach
and football player and a basketball player and coach and
all that kind of stuff, he had a heart problem.
He was born with a heart problem, kind of like
I was born with a heart problem. But I've now
had surgery and had my problem taken care of, and
(46:30):
I want to talk about Bill Paxton, but I'll try
to stick to the subject. Anyway, my grandfather died and
my father wanted to be near my mother, my grandmother
who I never met, that grandmother, his mother. So he
(46:51):
left Rutgers and he went back to Nebraska and he
went to you know, he didn't go to Nebraska right away.
He went back to Illinois would have been a Northwestern.
He went to Northwestern, and he played his junior and
(47:13):
senior year at Northwestern and was a great, great baseball talent.
And uh then he went on and went went to
law school. But that's why he went back to Northwestern
because he wanted to be with his mother, who was living.
I think they all started in Nebraska. I'm sorry that
I even kind of brought that up, but anyway, well, he.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Went to Northwestern Law School as well. He finished up
his undergraduate there, but he went to that that's a
pretty well known and prestigious law school.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah. Yeah, and so I moved. I really didn't spend
any time in Alabama. I liked I liked the fact
that I was from Alabama. Somehow. I thought it was
kind of cool all my all my life especially, I
just thought it was just kind of this neat thing
that I was from Alabama. And that's one thing that
(48:09):
Adam wing Guard and I haven't in common. By the way,
it's interesting when you do a podcast and you have
a guest. I don't know Bay will be the same way,
but Adam win Guard we had on and I just
he was like, we have Jim Cameron on, but when
(48:32):
his movie comes out, but Adam win Guard was like
my dream guest. It was like, oh my god, I
just did this movie with the sky It's called The Onslaught.
It's going to be amazing and being released by twenty four.
This guy so talented. He did the two King Congress
is god Zella's now this is his Like, yeah, I can't.
I don't want to do that franchise stuff anymore. I
(48:55):
want to do my own thing. And I out of
like all of the podcasts that I do, like that.
That's that's one like not that many people listened to.
I was really kind of disappointed that not a lot
of people listened to it. But maybe when the movie
comes out and uh, we'll see the idea was to
(49:18):
have him back on again.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, we'll have the producer.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah yeah, and we'll try to get the producer on.
I wanted to get the cast on. I wanted this
to be the podcast all things onslaught. But now they
don't have a release date till next year. I guess,
well it'll it'll be a while before we we know
exactly what's going on with that. Uh so uh that
that's why I was born about Alabama's because my father,
(49:42):
uh was in the army. And then we moved from
the army back to Nebraska, and we we moved to Lincoln, Nebraska,
which is the capital of the state. And it's actually
got a very beautiful capital. It's got this kind of dope. Yeah. Yeah,
it's kind of a very interesting yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
We we moved back to the Basker when I think
I was too don't have any memories of Alabama, don't
have very many memories.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Of of.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Lincoln until I think I was probably four when I
was in preschool and I was doing that thing on
a when I say a high bar, like a jungle
gym type of thing where you put your knees over
(50:37):
the top of the of the bar and you hang
upside down and uh, I fucking you know, slipped or whatever,
and this fucking landed straight in my face, like my
whole like like just yes, the face that was. That
(50:59):
was the alt mid face plant and my ultimate face plant.
I mean quite a few of them.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Beginning of a long tane.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Uh, I've talked about my sex life. Let's move on
to something else. So anyway, I did a face plant,
and I I can remember my mother being called and
them rushing me someplace, and you know, I wasn't that
(51:34):
badly hurt, except for I think my my memories of
it now kind of were that my whole face was
like a big scab like it was. It was, yeah,
And that was like when I and then I went
to kindergarten. An interesting thing about kindergarten was I went
to kindergarten at a high school called.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
I don't remember any interesting things about kindergarten, So what's
your interesting thing about it.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Well, I didn't start really getting interested in girls until
first grade, So kindergarten, I don't have a lot of memories,
but I had a very attractive kindergarten teacher. I remember
that I was five. I remember thinking like, she yeah,
she looked pretty. She's pretty nice. So I went to
(52:26):
kindergarten at a high school called Southeast in Lincoln, Nebraska,
which was about six blocks away from our house. And
there was a big street closer to the high school
called like forty eighth Street. I've forgotten exactly what the
name of the street was, but it was a little
bit like Victory out here, and it was like a
(52:48):
big street. Cars went fast, and you know, probably had
a at least a thirty five maybe even these days
it would be like forty five mile an hour speed limit.
But there there I think there were lights at that corner.
But I used to walk to school, and I might
(53:13):
have walked to school with my brother most of the time.
But you know, these days, it's just like unheard of.
You know, the idea I bring up child, I'm a
pretty I'm a helicopter a father, and I uh, but
the idea of sending a five year old out your
(53:33):
front door and crossing about six streets and and a
street that is I'm not even I don't think there
was a stop. There wasn't a light there, but it
was just a big street had a lot of traffic
on it. And uh to go walk to kindergarten, maybe
(53:54):
maybe with my brother, maybe with my brother, but eventually
by myself and I walked home from school. And you know,
my mother was a nurse at the time. But I
grew up in a very middle to upper class family.
My dad was an attorney and a successful one, and
(54:19):
my mother was a nurse and she was very good
at what she did, and we had a really nice
childhood and nice family dynamic. There was never any I guess, unbelievable.
My dad never yelled at my mom or vice versa. Yeah,
(54:43):
it's just like shocking to me, you know, but yeah,
they I never remember. I never remember my mom and
dad ever having an argument. They must have taken it
like in the other room. And yeah, you know, like
it's really pretty pretty amazing. I had an older brother,
have an older brother, great athlete, great, great athlete, fast strong.
(55:06):
It was a wrestler. He was such a great wrestler
that when we did move it to Arizona when I
was fourteen, there was a lot of talk about him
staying in Nebraska because his wrestling career was so on fire, promising. Good,
(55:26):
thank you, that's a much better description than on fire
was so promising that my dad said to him, you know,
if you want to stay here, there were families around
that were, you know, in the wrestling community in Nebraska
that were willing to say, wait, can stay with us,
and stay with us, you know, And so he had
(55:47):
to make a decision whether he was going to stay
there or move to Lake Havasu when Lake Kavasu only
had five thousand people there and obviously didn't have a
wrestling program, really didn't have much of any program that
a football team in high school. But so, you know,
(56:10):
I think of growing up in Nebraska when I went
to grade school, I used to walk to school also,
and I used to walk to school. I've told you
this before, Jim. I used to walk to school for
grade school. So that would have been like five through
(56:32):
eleven or something something like six through six, six years
old through ten years old or eleven years old. That
grade school I used to walk. And that was quite
a waste. That was about a mile, I would say.
And I used to walk by this house that was
(56:54):
kind of roped off and like special, you know, it
was like a special historical place that if you wanted
to you could, you know, if you walk by it
during the right hours, you could walk inside and like
look around, and it was the house of Williams. Jennings. Brian,
(57:20):
Oh yeah, the audiencewer that was Jim.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
I just listened to a podcast about the Scopes Trial.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
He was.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Quite a character. He ran for president three times as
a Democrat in the eighteen late eighteen hundreds. He was
a yeah, the great, the great. He was a great orator, supposedly,
and he served as a Secretary of State at one point.
And he had largely kind of faded from public view
(57:53):
three times running for president and losing each time. And
he had largely faded from public view in the mid
twenties when he got on a real kick to encouraged
states to pass laws against teaching evolution in school, and
he got Tennessee to pass one, and the a CLU
and some other folks tried to oppose it by creating
(58:16):
a test case that resulted in a big show trial
called the Scopes Trial, the Monkey Trial, where Brian was
supposedly was named as a prosecutor, and Clarence Darrow showed
up as a most famous lawyer of his day, showed
up as a defending a defendant lawyer and It was
(58:38):
kind of a battle of the giants, and it was
fictionalized into a play called Inherit the Wind and made
into a Stanley Kubrick movie. Really fun movie, really fun movie.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
I remember the name of the actor who played him
because in a Spencer trade Fredick March. Fredrick March. So good.
So that's such a good movie. I really yeah, really
did you hear that? Have you heard about Russell Crowe
and what he's doing next, which is something to do
with the Nuremberg Trials? Have you?
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (59:13):
That's wonderf that's a straight remake or like I wonder
what they're doing with that? Is that you know that
that you know nobody because nobody can do that, like Spencer. Oh,
I read somewhere. Also Ethan Hawk. I think it's Ethan Hawk.
They wanted to remake that movie where they called, uh,
(59:34):
that guy something, the movie that we were talking about, Jim,
this is this I'm going all over the place now,
but let me just yeah, no, I'm talking. Yeah, he
wanted he wants to develop a movie that who did
I just saythan Hawk? I believe it's Ethan Hawk. Okay,
(59:58):
who wants to develop a movie called The Gunfighter? Or
remake the movie called The Gunfighter, and the Gunfighter is
a movie where the lead character's name is Ringo.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Oh yeah, it's it's a famous Gregory pec movie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Uh and uh That's all I have to say to
him about that is good fucking luck playing Ringo. Jim,
I've got to get out of the studio. I'm going
to drink. So how do I say this? Top? You'll
(01:00:37):
never see this again? That was That's the end of
our endorsement. Are not our non non endorsement.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I blame this. I blame this on the whatever brothers.
Who brothers. I blame the whole thing on the Coen brothers.
They got started, got me started lying.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Russell Crowe will be playing Hermann Gering in uh Nuremberg,
a movie coming out this year.
Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Who directed that?
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
James Vanderbilt and Rammy Mallick plays an American psychology psychiatry.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
You know somebody, you know, somebody I could have thought
about calling. And I'm like, you know, it's just so
self serving. But Rommy Melick, how do you pronounce this?
Rammy Malick?
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
It became known to me when he uh play Yeah,
it was a star Bohemian Rhapsody and uh uh play
(01:01:57):
Freddie Mercury. It was name of the band Queen Queen. Yeah,
que Queen. The lead guitar player, you know, Brian May, Yeah, Brian.
Brian and I have spent some time together, and Brian
and I wanted to develop a movie along for a
long time, uh, not a long time, but a year
or two about the American Indians and kind of what
(01:02:20):
we did to the American Indians and uh, Brian, somebody
that I could, I feel like, you know, I'm maybe
maybe maybe we'll compose a letter. All, have my AI
fucking secretary do it and compose a letter to him
and ask him if you'd be willing to come on
and talk about his experiences with them making that movie.
The guy they cast is him looked exactly like the
(01:02:43):
guy that I used to hang out with that right,
Oh my god, exactly. But it'd be interesting to know,
because he's like a producer on executive producer. It'd be
interesting to know how much you know, because you just
can't get because they used all that music, they used
all the Queen, You just can't get anything done without.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Did you ever did you ever see a Queen concert?
Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I went to one in La while we were rude. Alright,
I gotta go cha, I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Mean, tell me who much you're let to A strange
begin show.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Which hand would you choose to whip away unto your crew,
to your waiting around the old bella?
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
How would you look apart someone dirtier than you under me?
Why let me carry on without shoes?
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Won't you see
I have declared war against my brain in order to say.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That won't don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as I know they will be on time
the stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
The days I don't have to. Did you hear me, Jim?
Just now what? Uh uh listen Topo Chico. I didn't know.
I thought it was just water that I was.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's hard Siltzer.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Okay. I didn't know that they have like all different brands,
because this is just what they've been sending me and
asking me to promote. Yeah, well we're on the clock gym,
by the way, just so you know we're back. It
just they got hard siders. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, hard drinking drinking.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I hope not. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Do you have a candimate there?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No, I gotta buy. They sent me bottles, a bunch
of bottles, like big bottles.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, say hard Seltzer.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh no, it's his mineral water.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's okay, okay, No they do.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Apparently they have hearts. Well, because I looked.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Up somebody over there likes this, Jim. That's all I
can say.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, my goodness, I could definitely become a fan of
the product, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah yeah, uh okay, so uh we're starting a new podcast,
gym Ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Mineral.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I just wanted to Google, is it illegal to pretend
you have a sponsor when you don't? And they go, yeah,
that's false advertising, so it is a legal for you
to do that. So I don't I don't think they
would give a fuck. But again, I'm just checking all advertising.
Pretending a company is a sponsor of your show without
their actual involvement can have significant legal repercussions.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh, ship now you tell me, you tell me. I
thought I fucking uh, I was really gonna and basically
I just said, I don't know you heard me talking
to my son, but I said, the fucking Combe brother
said it's based on true events. Can't they be sued for,
(02:39):
you know, like making a movie saying it is based
on true events and it's not based on true events.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, if the event isn't true, then there would be
nobody to sue them.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, there's nobody to sue them. Uh all right, Well
I'll let you fucking you want to drop out.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And I'll just leave this all in there, you know,
ship Man.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh yeah, we got a new sponsor. I was I
was just saying to Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
H uh, I forgot.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Forgot what I was just saying to him, something about like,
oh yeah that you know, somebody over the company thinks
we're as soon as we come back, as soon as
we do the next one. I'm just gonna say, yeah,
somebody over that company just thinks this podcast is fucking brilliant.
It's just gotta fucking pop off. And we're just kinda like,
(03:30):
you know, every once in a while, we'll have somebody
that they.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Went on in the early want on in the early stages.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah yeah, and uh uh you know so I uh am,
now I'm all deflated. Now I'm all deflated that I
found out I broke the broke the law and the
lobby damn.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, anyway, it's pretty good water. The reason why I
picked it was just because I see it people drinking
it all the time, and uh, they're not sponsoring us,
not sponsors.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Uh uh, we're promoting them pre a charge.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, we're promoting a free of charge. There you go.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We can do that, right, I think, so, yeah, we
can do it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Okay, Well that's what we're doing. We're promoting. And here's
the thing, Jim, is not everybody listens to the podcasts
that much. They'll just like pop in and we don't
have two hundred thousand viewers yet, you know. So I'll
just continue to act like I'm promoting it, and people
(04:47):
that are popping in and out will just think, oh,
he wouldn't be doing that over and over again unless
he was getting some or they were getting meaning me,
you and came getting some compensation from it. So I'm
to stick with us, Okay, I just won't say that
they're sponsoring us anymore. I'm like, have you tried Topo Chico.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It's Topo Chico too, by the way, all right, well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Write it out for me.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, they'll be calling you any time.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, Topo not to.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Chico. I think. I think we'll get a letter from
them that starts cease and.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Dear cease and taking a drink from it right now.
So I so I get this text about once every
four shows as I'm driving here, Dad, there's no water.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Bring your own water. That's what I got today, Dad,
bring your own water. I'm like, okay. So that's when
the scheme in my mind. I started thinking, hey, you know,
here's what and I was looking should I do diet coke?
Should I?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I was like, but this is this is the one
one that I settled on.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, there was one episode where you brought in like
a big, giant, ventsy Starbucks sugar thing and one commenter
was just like, I just want to know what Michael
bean Starbucks order is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I you know, that's just filled with sugar. And
I like to stay awake while I'm doing this. That's
always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it does help to be awake. But then I
you know, uh, gotta not fall asleep on the on
the way home. Uh Okay, what were we just talking
about to Chico? Anything after that? Did I say? I've
got no like, uh from where I'm I had thought
(07:00):
in my head where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to
say this next. But then when you get to be
my age and you have had a brain entry in
the past, you'll think of like, oh, I want to
say this and if I have to wait more than
about ten seconds, or it could be that I'm kind
(07:22):
of that eighty h thing that just like, oh my
brain just can't hold on to one thought for more
than ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Pall Machine, Thank you, Jim, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, you guy who's been fucking hanging around me for
fifty years. Okay, so I think that we've we've uh
spoke about Bay and the fact that Bay's coming in,
and uh we'll get the controversy of the first film
(08:01):
that I directed, which is, I think what happened is
when you make a film, and I actually kind of
had fun. I was certainly energized when I get energized.
Another thing Base said to me also was that, or
he said this on the other podcast about me making
(08:24):
that movie, was that I'd get angry and start screaming,
and that I made Christian Bale look like fucking And
the fact of the matter is, and once she's on
the fact of the matter is is he was absolutely true.
That's absolutely true. But I like to point out that
(08:49):
it was really me just yelling at the fucking gods
because like, none of them spoke English, so none of
them knew what I was saying. And and another thing too,
when Christian Bale got angry, he got angry at somebody,
(09:10):
and he was angry at that cinematographer and he said, oh,
kick your ass, sure, Christian, climb out of your terminator outfit.
You walk over and punch out your DP. And he
went on for about uh, about a minute and a half.
And I've I've had many many times I've been on
(09:32):
a set before and gotten angry and fuck, this fucking
doesn't work. Just give me a fucking you know, all right,
and that that five second or eight second sort of moment.
I've had many, many, many, many of those dozens on
Navy seals when I was doing Navy Seals.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I know what I wanted to do is I've always
talked about doing a podcast as being my way of
writing a book. And my book and so you know,
at some point, not that anybody's gonna fucking care, but uh,
somebody could stitch together an hour and a half of
ten years of us doing this and maybe come up with,
(10:17):
you know, like an idea of who I was. But
I did want to There is some confusion. First. First
of all, my name is is pronounced Bean. That that
that I would like to say, because nobody knows how
now they know how to pronounce my name. It's only
(10:37):
been about the last really five years, five and people
still get it wrong every once in a while. It's
it was always be In, and I think it was
because people were frightened of calling me Bean when my
name really wasn't Bean.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Go ahead, and the eight probably throws them off too.
You know, I think they think they need to pronounce
somehow alone leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, uh so, yes, my name is pronounced bean, and
I was just kind of like to Basically, when you
go on Wikipedia and and or any of those sites
(11:28):
that are like that, they've got it. They've got it
pretty right. They've got how many children I have, they
have where I was born, they have date. There's a
little bit of confusion about whether I grew up in
Nebraska or I grew up in Arizona. And what really
happened is that I grew up in Nebraska. I was
(11:53):
born in Alabama. I grew up in Nebraska, and then
I moved to Arizona and went to high school in Arizona,
and then I left there. I went to Tucson thinking
I might on a on a drama scholarship and uh
(12:14):
basically flunked out of school.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But so, do you do you have any memory of
living in Alabama or did your family move to Nebraska
when you were so young?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, don't, I don't. I don't have any memory. Jim,
My father was in the army and he went down Uh,
they sent him or he was stationed in Alabama. And
the the base that he was stationed at, it's just
(12:44):
closed down about five years ago, been around for a
long time. I can't think of the name of it
right now, but I was down down there, and that
was when I was born. And and I guess for
the first I was born in fifty six or sixty four,
let's say sixty three sixty four, first eight years of
(13:08):
my life. If I'd stayed in Alabama, that was the
Jim Crow South.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh, absolutely, the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know. That is remarkable to me that in nineteen
sixty eight. I'm not in nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty four,
when did Jim Crow and Jim Well, you know, sixty
(13:40):
sixty four.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Legally, the law that the really major legislation of nineteen
sixty four, the Civil Rights Act of sixty four. It
is what basically outlawed segregation, Okay, And that was the
Civil Rights the big piece of legislation, the bill in
(14:03):
nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Johnson.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Johnson pushed it through. It had been introduced by Kennedy,
but it was going nowhere through the Senate. And then
after Kennedy's assassination. Johnson kind of gathered all his people
together and he said, we're going to push this bill through.
And he said, what's the presidentcy four if not to
push for something like this. And he pushed real hard,
(14:29):
and he pushed against his old allies from the South,
like Richard Ruffel, who were really strongly against it. And
he told them and they told him, you know, Linda,
you're going to lose the South for Democrats for generations
to come. And he said, I know, we are, but
we have to do this, and he pushed it and
he got it through. He pushed it through in sixty four,
so and that was a very consequential piece of legislation.
(14:54):
It was followed the following year by the Voting Rights
Act of sixty five. But those are the two really
big pieces of civil rights legislation, and they came after,
you know, the Brown versus Board of Education Supreme Court
decision came in fifty four, and that really kicked off
a decade of quite a bit of turmoil, fifteen years
(15:15):
of turmoil.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And Brown versus the Board of Education had to do
with letting black people and white people go to the
same school.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yep, okay, yep. To be to be to Kansas I
was fifty four.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, you know, I didn't. When I was a child,
from about the time I was able to swim, probably
six or seven, my parents used to drop us off
at the y MCA and Lincoln, Nebraska, and there were
(15:51):
a lot of black kids there, a lot of white
kids and a lot of black kids. And it never
really never really dawned on me. I never knew. And
I grew up in a family where the proper way
to uh uh describe a black person was to call
(16:14):
them a negro. And when uh, you know, uh Martin
Luther King when he's talking about his race and all
his famous speeches, speaks of his race as Negroes. And
I don't know, I don't know when and how it happened,
(16:35):
but I guess it was Black Power and uh sort
of that group that turned into me personally calling uh
black people black black? You know, that was just the cool,
that was the way, That was what it was all
about for a long time. And then when was it,
(16:59):
Jim that we went to African American you know, that
was I don't know, I don't know if you really
have an answer for that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Oh, you know, in my memory, it would be in
the early seventies that we went to African American from Yeah, yeah,
because when I was in college, we started we started
hearing about black studies programs and they were called Black
studies programs, and now in universities there you know, African
(17:30):
American studies. But but we did go very quickly, I
think from because you're right, when Martin Luther King was alive,
he would use the word negro. He used the word negro,
and he is famous. I have a dream speech about
the negro not having, you know, needing to cash a check.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Then have you ever seen, Jim, have you ever seen
this documentary on Martin Lither King that I saw like
a week ago or two weeks ago, And I don't
know the name of it. I think it's somewhat somewhat newish,
(18:09):
not like this year or whatever, but like in the
last ten years. I think it's somewhat newish. Did you
ever see him, you know, after he gave his most
famous speech. Did you ever see the speech that he
gave after that where he was I guess it was
(18:32):
in between that that that speech where he said I
may not be there with you, I may you know,
like there was that, and then and then he was
where was he killed? Memphis?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He was killed in Memphis fourth in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Well, it's unbelievable that you come up with that information.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It was it was the night before that he gave
a speech and he didn't want to go. He didn't
want to go, right, but but we took Ralph. Everis no,
we never talked about the before. But he didn't want
to go. He was in Memphis for a strike of
garbage workers and uh, and it had gotten kind of
out of hand a few days before and got kind
of violent, and he was trying to calm things down
(19:17):
and uh and and he didn't want to go to
this rally. But Ralph Abernet, everybody's expecting you, and he
was kind of sick. So he showed up and he
and he seemed to foreshadow what was going to happen
because he said, you know, I may not get there
with you.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Doesn't he say that in the But doesn't he say
that in his most famous speech, they may not get you?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, he says that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Not.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, it depends on what you consider his those famous speech,
probably his best known speeches. I have a dream yes,
in nineteen six that's in nineteen sixty three, at a
at a rally at Lincoln Memorial in Washington, d C.
In August.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like, how many people were at that rally?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh? The whole home mall was filled. Yes, hundreds of
more than more than more more.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
People than we're at the Trump inauguration a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Little bit by a little bit. Yeah. But the night
before he was assassinated, he went to that uh uh
you see this quoted quite a bit too where he
went to that rally and he said, uh uh, you know,
I want you to know that we as a people
will get to the Promised Land. I may not get
there with you, but we as a people will get
(20:29):
to the promise Land.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Is that the last speech he gave?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, Yes, but we as a people, because I've been
to the mountaintop and I have seen the other side,
and we as the people will get to the Promised Land.
You know. And and he's you know, real worked up
when he walked off the stage, and of course he'd
be dead twenty four hours later.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Twenty four hours later.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
There's a fabulous book called hell Hound on His Trail
by a writer named Hampton Sides about James Earl Ray
stalking him. Did you know that James Earl Ray lived
on the Hollywood Boulevard a couple of months before he
went off and shot Martin Luther King. He was living
in an apartment on about you know, a couple of
walks east of where you and I were living on
(21:11):
Hollywood Boulevard taking dance classes. I should have gone. He
was taking dance classes, living on Hollywood Boulevard, and he
decides he's gonna go shoot Martin Luther King. He went
out and bought a thirty out six and drove off
to Alabama, and he was kind of trying to stock King.
And when he out think he was going to be
(21:32):
in Memphis, he drove up to Memphis.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You know what I watched recently, got so much of
this shit happens, and it kind of it comes, it
goes you forget about it was that McDonald's shootings that
took place in Chicago, I mean in San Diego and Diego.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
God, there's some footage in that documentary. There's the cops
led in a reporter and boy, that's a brutal documentary
to watch. And they killed like there's like twenty people
and children.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, twenties, like twenty two or twenty three people.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think, ah Man, that that documentary is like if
you don't have like a very strong you know, constitution
as far as looking at that kind of stuff. Uh,
you know, I don't. You know, we've talked about this before, Jim.
They you know, assault rifles were banned in the United
(22:35):
States for a period of time.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
In the early nineties. I think when when Clinton was president,
there's been a I think a shooting in San Jose
or something that bolthd those semi automatic rifles, and we
did institute a nationwide thought.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I thought it was I thought it was when Hallam
president was shot. The president was I thought it was
when not Nixon like Reagan, after Reagan was shot. No,
it didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It didn't happen until nearly ten years after that. It
was in the nineties that that well, you needed a
democratic president, democratic Congress I think to pass it. But
they passed that assault weapons ban and it prohibited prohibited
the sale of weapons like AR fifteenth. How long and
then when when well, when George Bush became president, he
(23:37):
let the band lapse and didn't do anything to reinstate it.
So it went out fifteen. It went out about twenty
years ago. It was only in effect for about ten years. Yeah,
minute went out of fact.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
So now you know, it's interesting that I think maybe
we said this on the podcast here.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But the guy, the guy who went after the NFL
a couple of days ago, had an air of fifteen
in his hand.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
The NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He was the guy.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
He tried to go after the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
He took a wrong turn the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, what was this in the last two weeks?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think it was in New York about a week ago,
less than a week ago.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
How did he kill I think three three.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Including a police officer with a baby. I think another
one on the way. I think he killed a woman
who I think he killed a woman who worked for
an investment company. It was an office building in Manhattan
(24:41):
where the NFL has its headquarters, and I think that
was his target. But he killed a couple other people too.
In this big investment company called Blackstone has its headquarters there,
and he killed one of their one of their senior
women executives.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah. This documentary that I watched just it's just devastating
for not only the families, but for the police department
and all the responders trying to being being sort of
blamed for maybe not making the right decisions at the
(25:18):
right time and having to live with uh the idea
that you know that you were unable to make, but
you've done more. What else could you have done? Yeah,
I mean about ten years ago I got you know,
(25:41):
when I was doing aliens and especially Navy seals, we
were using those type of weapons, and they just uh
for me personally. And I'm not trying to like everybody's.
(26:02):
It is what it is, and it's going to stay
that way. You know. The right to bear arms is
what the second Amendment him is that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Right it is?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And I you know, I understand that to protect your house,
protect your family, and protect yourself, you know, but you
and I recently and maybe it was on the podcast
kind of chuckled. I guess you could call it chuckle that.
Uh back when when during Tombstone that gunfight happened according
(26:37):
to history, all the history that we know about it, Uh,
you know, because uh, the McClary brothers and the Clanton
brothers weren't hadn't haven't hadn't given up their their weapons
to go into town.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
To surrender your weapons.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, to surrender your weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
When you came into town before your.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Weapon, before you went into Tombstone, you had to surrender
your weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Uh. And you could turn them into the sheriff's office
or any of the major bars would take your weapons,
but you had to you had to put them out.
And the reason that, uh, it's accurate in the movie
and it happened in real life. The reason that that
Virgil went uh kind of got the group their band
(27:26):
together to go after the McClory's was because they were
carrying arms. They were they had side arms on them.
Now they were leaving town. But still remember when he
says to in the movie when Sam Eliott says, it's
the law Wyatt, you know, yeah, wall. The wall was
you're not allowed to carry your firearms, not allowed to
have firearms. So that's what they were they were going after.
(27:48):
And remember as they're walking up, Johnny Bean says, I
already disarmed him, which he hadn't done, but he's saying
that to try to get the ers to calm down
because you can tell what was about to happen. So yeah,
but it was it was basically uh uh gun control
that they were That was the the approximate cause of
the gunfight at the OK Corral. Well, gun controller.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You and I talked and I you know, I said
to you, well carry him now in Arizona. Yeah, you're
in Tombstone now, man. Not only can you carry your
side arm, you can bring.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Down you can be healed going into Tombstone these days
without any problem whatsoever, can be healed.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Uh, well about it might not have been ten years ago,
but somewhere between like six seven years ago, I got
invited down to Tombstone. I think it was for the
first first or first or second time I had ever
gone down to Tombstone itself, because when we were making Tombstone,
(28:54):
we shot it in mescal and Tucson. I never even
went to I never even went. It was just another
fifteen miles away. I was too busy doing other shit
you to go visit the real Tombstone. What the fuck
am I talking about? Oh? Guns? Oh yeah, I had.
(29:21):
I went to Ah, let's see my son like tensing
up a little bit. Come on, dad, you.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Can do it, You can do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. So I went for it was like a parade
and uh.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
A T shirt designed that was a an assault rifle
with a circle around it, with a line through the
circle over the top of it. And I had that
designed and I when through the streets of Tombstone when
(30:09):
the parade started, we started moving, I took off my
coat and proceeded to be in the parade. Remind me
about John McCain and the other parade that I did
if I talked about John McCain on this before. Okay,
you know you and you know my story about John McCain.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Jim, No, I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Okay, well it's not there's not that much to it.
There's not that much to it. But anyway, so, uh so, anyway,
I I I do that, and I go through the parade,
and I was actually a little bit disappointed, like it
didn't seem to affect anything or anybody. Nobody came up to.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Me, nobody reacted.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Nobody reacted to it at all that I can remember,
Like nobody yellse the side of this thread, what's that bullshit?
You know? Like nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing. And then what happened, Jim,
I went home or stayed in the hotel.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That night, and uh.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
The next day, it like was all over the internet.
I blew up on the internet. There's still nobody like I.
You know, I walked down and having breakfast and Jennifer's
like seeing it on her phone and like just like
all over the place about how I'd worn this shirt
and the entire time I was there, because I signed
(31:39):
autographs and sold pictures and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I was there for hours and hours and hours
of meeting people and signing pictures, and uh, nobody said
a fucking word to me personally.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Shirt that whole time, right, wearing that shirt the whole time.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, Now, I wore that during the parade. I didn't
where that the next day.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I just well, I meant, while you were signing autographs. No,
but you weren't that day, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Then I didn't wear it today I was signing autographs. Okay, okay,
but you know, uh uh. Anyway, it really doesn't make
any difference. It just kind of goes to show you, though,
that people have like what are they like liquid courage
with booze, They need to come up with with an
(32:27):
expression like that that has to do with the Internet.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They call them keyboard warriors.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Keyboard warriors. Thank you, younger generations.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I knew there would be an expression, and of course
comes up with it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Uh So anyway, John Kaine, well, it's another parade that
I did. I was in Lake Havasu and he was
running for the Senate, I believe in Arizona. And I
(33:08):
had maybe done Aliens right around one of those years.
Uh and uh and maybe I had done the Abyss,
but I think a terminator Aliens, that kind of thing,
and it was in It was in Lake Havasu City
where I went to high school. I'm going to get
back and start from the beginning again. We'll go back
(33:29):
to Alabama. We didn't get we didn't even get out
of Alabama. Cham on the last on the last one,
or do we start this one the Alabama started?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, well we started with Topo Chico.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
This is confusing. Uh So anyway, we so we sat
in a car together. John and I sat in a
car together, and as we waited for the parade uh
to start. And then as a par age starts, if
(34:01):
you're not the first car or the second car, or
the third float or whatever it is, you still have
to sit there and wait. So I spent about twenty
minutes sitting in the backseat of a car with John McCain,
and I didn't know that much about him. We talked,
(34:28):
I can't remember talking a little bit about him being
a pilot and wow, well I know he was Jim.
I thought that that I didn't know him well enough
to ask him what the Hanoi Hilton was like, which
(34:49):
I'm sure was, you know, as fucking bad as it gets.
I didn't know him well enough to kind of go like, Hi,
my name's Michael Bean. What the fuck was it like
being in fucking hand? I feel fucking sick years, you know,
but uh, you could tell he was kind of fucked
up from a physical standpoint of yeah, from being and
(35:12):
as it turns out, from being you know, being tortured.
And I didn't I didn't really want to go there,
but I did, or maybe I was trying to go
there a little bit by asking him about being a
pilot and you know, the different and how he had
gone about getting his uh pilots. Uh you know he's
(35:33):
the Navy, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
He was, yeah, like at the bottom of the correct yes,
but he came from a very different.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Was at the bottom of their class and uh.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Custom coming out of West Point. Okay, yeah, but but
but his family. He came from a family of admirals.
His father was an admiral, his grandfather was an admiral,
distinguished careers, et cetera. And he was kind of like
the fuck off, you.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Know, uh, yes, you know, yeah, very black sheep, kind
of the black sheep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah. Family barely barely squeaked through the academy. And and
then you know, became a pilot.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
What was the vote and he's a go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You were saying, what was the vote? Oh, just that
he seemed to mature the comes down. Yes, that was
to kill the Affordable Care Act, to kill Obamacare when
Trump was in Trump's first term and came down to
one vote whether they were going to kill Obamacare, and
(36:45):
he came into the Senate.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
It was at that time because it wasn't there was
he sick at time.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think he was just been diagnosed, because there might
have been some question if he was going to be there.
But he came in and he held his arm. See,
it was impressed about him at that time, Trump Trump.
But you were talking about he uh him being kind
of his injuries from the war, his his plane crash
(37:13):
and uh he torture hair shooted out and from the torture.
But his shoulders were broken, so he couldn't raise his
arms much, so he could barely kind of hold his
arm out straight. And then he turned his thumb down
like voting no. And that was quite a quite a
you know, copied gesture and remarked upon gesture. But it
(37:35):
was a dramatic moment, definitely, And it was it was,
you know, has turned his thumb down but like his
middle finger up towards Trump at the same time. Is
what that gesture seemed to imply, because he was obviously
going against what Trump wanted at that moment. Yeah, but
(37:58):
by then Trump had already called him the loup. And
he didn't like people who got who got captured.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
What was it? What was it about the being captured? Uh,
he didn't respect the service members who got captured.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, well he said that that he said that McCain
wasn't a hero because he got captured. He liked people
who didn't get captured. He preferred people who didn't get captured. Yeah.
Uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Anyway, I got to I got to spend some time
with him, and.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Uh, he was.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
He was pretty you know, down to earth, and I
don't you know, he didn't know who I was. I
explained to him, and you know he kind of gave me,
uh that look of like, oh, well, that's you know,
fantastic their son, you know type of thing, not me
(38:59):
not knowing. Yeah, him not knowing. You know, I guess
he hadn't. I guess he hadn't had time to see
the terminator, uh or aliens. But he was Jim. You know,
the big fat, pretty wonderful, ugly bill. What's it?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Oh yeah, one big beautiful.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Bill, one big beautiful bill that just came out, just
that takeaway some of that healthcare that he was voting against.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I think it's it's a question of we'll see. Some
of those provisions were delayed to go into effect after
uh the next election. For example, the changes to medicare.
You know, they talked about how they are to medicaid.
They talked about how they're cutting close to a billion
(40:07):
dollars out of Medicaid. Uh, those changes won't come about
for another couple of years. And you know, yeah, that's
a pretty and there and there's so many ramifications, so
many details, and there are certain formulas that yeah, they're cutting,
it's going to be tougher. It is going to be
a lot tougher on rural hospitals for them to be
(40:29):
able to stay and afloat. And supposedly the bill contains
some fifty billion dollar budget to help rural hospitals, but
that's you know, really just putting a band aid over
the issue it is really going to affect. If it's
really going to affect rural healthcare and rural hospitals considerably
if it does fully go into effect. I have a
(40:50):
feeling that, you know, they put it off, put off
the effects long enough down the road that they can
get it corrected before it takes full effect. Like there's uh,
you know, if the Democrats take to the House next time,
which they may, they may well do, and they may
get you know, jerrymandered out of doing that if Texas
goes ahead and you know, tries to jerrymander five more Republicans.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
All right, yeah, this is uh. I think we started
the con I started the conversation by saying that I
wanted to talk a little bit about the fact that
I was born in Alabama and you asked you asked me,
what do you remember and nothing, and we kind of
(41:37):
got off into civil rights and Martin Luther King. But
my dad was in the service, and uh, when I
asked him when he did in the military is he
worked in the chemical weapons department. And I remember thinking
at the time, Wow, that's like, wow, that's kind of
(42:03):
a bio weapons chemical chemical chemical bioweapons that yeah, that
nasty stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
And uh, what I found out was that he was
a lawyer. And that's what he did.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
He was a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And you know, he didn't have anything to do with designing them.
He didn't have anything to do with like deciding where
they were going to be, didn't. You know. He was
just a lawyer. And and and I guess the army
needs lawyers to to And but my father, I grew
(42:43):
up in Nebraska, in a small small town in Nebraska,
and he played baseball. His father was a big sports guy.
My dad played baseball and he got to be uh
when when he got in high school, hooked up with
a really good coach in one of the schools in
(43:05):
Chicago called Niles, Niles West, Niles the East, one of
those schools which I think is closed down in the
last ten years, one of those Niles schools. And he
played baseball.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And I think i've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, he was a picture. He was left handed. I
should you know, I don't. I'll have I'll have Kaitlin
do do this. I'll I'll send a picture of my
father playing baseball. Uh. And he was a left handed pitcher.
And there's a picture of him, you know, in a
(43:39):
wh in his wind up where he has got his
right knee up and his left hand behind him and
the left hand is nearly touching the ground. Really quite
it's really quite a picture picture. And he he uh
got out of He went to high school in Nebraska,
(44:04):
but somehow he was around the Chicago. Maybe it was Chicago.
Maybe it was Chicagoerry he went to I'm sorry, that's right,
it was Chicago, Chicago. He went to high school the Niles.
Those Nile schools were all in Chicago. So he used
to work out with what's the name of the Chicago
(44:25):
baseball team, the Cubs. He used to work out with
the Cubs, and so he used to pitch to the Cubs.
And when he graduated from high school, they offered him
The Cubs offered my father a contract with a signing bonus.
(44:47):
He signs the contract and he gets paid twelve thousand
dollars and my father, who wanted to go to college,
didn't take it. But that's how good of a pitcher
he was. He went on to a school in New York.
(45:10):
I don't think of the name of that school. It's
not kind of an odd name. He went on to
a school in New York and played baseball on a
scholarship at that school, and.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Uh had an.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Incredible college career and played in the College World Series.
He pitched in the College World Series.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, and he uh uh damn, damn. I can't think
of the name of his of his college while I'm
telling this. You can name a couple. Yes, Rutgers, thank you, right, Yeah,
I don't know how you pulled New Jersey. Oh, it's
in New Jersey, Okay, that that was it though. It
(45:58):
was Rutgers. That's where that's where he went to school,
and that's where he pitched, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
They had a great, great, great team.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
And then my grandfather, who was a high school coach
and football player and a basketball player and coach and
all that kind of stuff, he had a heart problem.
He was born with a heart problem, kind of like
I was born with a heart problem. But I've now
had surgery and had my problem taken care of, and
(46:30):
I want to talk about Bill Paxton, but I'll try
to stick to the subject. Anyway, my grandfather died and
my father wanted to be near my mother, my grandmother
who I never met, that grandmother, his mother. So he
(46:51):
left Rutgers and he went back to Nebraska and he
went to you know, he didn't go to Nebraska right away.
He went back to Illinois would have been a Northwestern.
He went to Northwestern, and he played his junior and
(47:13):
senior year at Northwestern and was a great, great baseball talent.
And uh then he went on and went went to
law school. But that's why he went back to Northwestern
because he wanted to be with his mother, who was living.
I think they all started in Nebraska. I'm sorry that
I even kind of brought that up, but anyway, well, he.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Went to Northwestern Law School as well. He finished up
his undergraduate there, but he went to that that's a
pretty well known and prestigious law school.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah. Yeah, and so I moved. I really didn't spend
any time in Alabama. I liked I liked the fact
that I was from Alabama. Somehow. I thought it was
kind of cool all my all my life especially, I
just thought it was just kind of this neat thing
that I was from Alabama. And that's one thing that
(48:09):
Adam wing Guard and I haven't in common. By the way,
it's interesting when you do a podcast and you have
a guest. I don't know Bay will be the same way,
but Adam win Guard we had on and I just
he was like, we have Jim Cameron on, but when
(48:32):
his movie comes out, but Adam win Guard was like
my dream guest. It was like, oh my god, I
just did this movie with the sky It's called The Onslaught.
It's going to be amazing and being released by twenty four.
This guy so talented. He did the two King Congress
is god Zella's now this is his Like, yeah, I can't.
I don't want to do that franchise stuff anymore. I
(48:55):
want to do my own thing. And I out of
like all of the podcasts that I do, like that.
That's that's one like not that many people listened to.
I was really kind of disappointed that not a lot
of people listened to it. But maybe when the movie
comes out and uh, we'll see the idea was to
(49:18):
have him back on again.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, we'll have the producer.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah yeah, and we'll try to get the producer on.
I wanted to get the cast on. I wanted this
to be the podcast all things onslaught. But now they
don't have a release date till next year. I guess,
well it'll it'll be a while before we we know
exactly what's going on with that. Uh so uh that
that's why I was born about Alabama's because my father,
(49:42):
uh was in the army. And then we moved from
the army back to Nebraska, and we we moved to Lincoln, Nebraska,
which is the capital of the state. And it's actually
got a very beautiful capital. It's got this kind of dope. Yeah. Yeah,
it's kind of a very interesting yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
We we moved back to the Basker when I think
I was too don't have any memories of Alabama, don't
have very many memories.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Of of.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Lincoln until I think I was probably four when I
was in preschool and I was doing that thing on
a when I say a high bar, like a jungle
gym type of thing where you put your knees over
(50:37):
the top of the of the bar and you hang
upside down and uh, I fucking you know, slipped or whatever,
and this fucking landed straight in my face, like my
whole like like just yes, the face that was. That
(50:59):
was the alt mid face plant and my ultimate face plant.
I mean quite a few of them.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Beginning of a long tane.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Uh, I've talked about my sex life. Let's move on
to something else. So anyway, I did a face plant,
and I I can remember my mother being called and
them rushing me someplace, and you know, I wasn't that
(51:34):
badly hurt, except for I think my my memories of
it now kind of were that my whole face was
like a big scab like it was. It was, yeah,
And that was like when I and then I went
to kindergarten. An interesting thing about kindergarten was I went
to kindergarten at a high school called.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
I don't remember any interesting things about kindergarten, So what's
your interesting thing about it.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Well, I didn't start really getting interested in girls until
first grade, So kindergarten, I don't have a lot of memories,
but I had a very attractive kindergarten teacher. I remember
that I was five. I remember thinking like, she yeah,
she looked pretty. She's pretty nice. So I went to
(52:26):
kindergarten at a high school called Southeast in Lincoln, Nebraska,
which was about six blocks away from our house. And
there was a big street closer to the high school
called like forty eighth Street. I've forgotten exactly what the
name of the street was, but it was a little
bit like Victory out here, and it was like a
(52:48):
big street. Cars went fast, and you know, probably had
a at least a thirty five maybe even these days
it would be like forty five mile an hour speed limit.
But there there I think there were lights at that corner.
But I used to walk to school, and I might
(53:13):
have walked to school with my brother most of the time.
But you know, these days, it's just like unheard of.
You know, the idea I bring up child, I'm a
pretty I'm a helicopter a father, and I uh, but
the idea of sending a five year old out your
(53:33):
front door and crossing about six streets and and a
street that is I'm not even I don't think there
was a stop. There wasn't a light there, but it
was just a big street had a lot of traffic
on it. And uh to go walk to kindergarten, maybe
(53:54):
maybe with my brother, maybe with my brother, but eventually
by myself and I walked home from school. And you know,
my mother was a nurse at the time. But I
grew up in a very middle to upper class family.
My dad was an attorney and a successful one, and
(54:19):
my mother was a nurse and she was very good
at what she did, and we had a really nice
childhood and nice family dynamic. There was never any I guess, unbelievable.
My dad never yelled at my mom or vice versa. Yeah,
(54:43):
it's just like shocking to me, you know, but yeah,
they I never remember. I never remember my mom and
dad ever having an argument. They must have taken it
like in the other room. And yeah, you know, like
it's really pretty pretty amazing. I had an older brother,
have an older brother, great athlete, great, great athlete, fast strong.
(55:06):
It was a wrestler. He was such a great wrestler
that when we did move it to Arizona when I
was fourteen, there was a lot of talk about him
staying in Nebraska because his wrestling career was so on fire, promising. Good,
(55:26):
thank you, that's a much better description than on fire
was so promising that my dad said to him, you know,
if you want to stay here, there were families around
that were, you know, in the wrestling community in Nebraska
that were willing to say, wait, can stay with us,
and stay with us, you know, And so he had
(55:47):
to make a decision whether he was going to stay
there or move to Lake Havasu when Lake Kavasu only
had five thousand people there and obviously didn't have a
wrestling program, really didn't have much of any program that
a football team in high school. But so, you know,
(56:10):
I think of growing up in Nebraska when I went
to grade school, I used to walk to school also,
and I used to walk to school. I've told you
this before, Jim. I used to walk to school for
grade school. So that would have been like five through
(56:32):
eleven or something something like six through six, six years
old through ten years old or eleven years old. That
grade school I used to walk. And that was quite
a waste. That was about a mile, I would say.
And I used to walk by this house that was
(56:54):
kind of roped off and like special, you know, it
was like a special historical place that if you wanted
to you could, you know, if you walk by it
during the right hours, you could walk inside and like
look around, and it was the house of Williams. Jennings. Brian,
(57:20):
Oh yeah, the audiencewer that was Jim.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
I just listened to a podcast about the Scopes Trial.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
He was.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Quite a character. He ran for president three times as
a Democrat in the eighteen late eighteen hundreds. He was
a yeah, the great, the great. He was a great orator, supposedly,
and he served as a Secretary of State at one point.
And he had largely kind of faded from public view
(57:53):
three times running for president and losing each time. And
he had largely faded from public view in the mid
twenties when he got on a real kick to encouraged
states to pass laws against teaching evolution in school, and
he got Tennessee to pass one, and the a CLU
and some other folks tried to oppose it by creating
(58:16):
a test case that resulted in a big show trial
called the Scopes Trial, the Monkey Trial, where Brian was
supposedly was named as a prosecutor, and Clarence Darrow showed
up as a most famous lawyer of his day, showed
up as a defending a defendant lawyer and It was
(58:38):
kind of a battle of the giants, and it was
fictionalized into a play called Inherit the Wind and made
into a Stanley Kubrick movie. Really fun movie, really fun movie.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
I remember the name of the actor who played him
because in a Spencer trade Fredick March. Fredrick March. So good.
So that's such a good movie. I really yeah, really
did you hear that? Have you heard about Russell Crowe
and what he's doing next, which is something to do
with the Nuremberg Trials? Have you?
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (59:13):
That's wonderf that's a straight remake or like I wonder
what they're doing with that? Is that you know that
that you know nobody because nobody can do that, like Spencer. Oh,
I read somewhere. Also Ethan Hawk. I think it's Ethan Hawk.
They wanted to remake that movie where they called, uh,
(59:34):
that guy something, the movie that we were talking about, Jim,
this is this I'm going all over the place now,
but let me just yeah, no, I'm talking. Yeah, he
wanted he wants to develop a movie that who did
I just saythan Hawk? I believe it's Ethan Hawk. Okay,
(59:58):
who wants to develop a movie called The Gunfighter? Or
remake the movie called The Gunfighter, and the Gunfighter is
a movie where the lead character's name is Ringo.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Oh yeah, it's it's a famous Gregory pec movie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Uh and uh That's all I have to say to
him about that is good fucking luck playing Ringo. Jim,
I've got to get out of the studio. I'm going
to drink. So how do I say this? Top? You'll
(01:00:37):
never see this again? That was That's the end of
our endorsement. Are not our non non endorsement.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I blame this. I blame this on the whatever brothers.
Who brothers. I blame the whole thing on the Coen brothers.
They got started, got me started lying.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Russell Crowe will be playing Hermann Gering in uh Nuremberg,
a movie coming out this year.
Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Who directed that?
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
James Vanderbilt and Rammy Mallick plays an American psychology psychiatry.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
You know somebody, you know, somebody I could have thought
about calling. And I'm like, you know, it's just so
self serving. But Rommy Melick, how do you pronounce this?
Rammy Malick?
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
It became known to me when he uh play Yeah,
it was a star Bohemian Rhapsody and uh uh play
(01:01:57):
Freddie Mercury. It was name of the band Queen Queen. Yeah,
que Queen. The lead guitar player, you know, Brian May, Yeah, Brian.
Brian and I have spent some time together, and Brian
and I wanted to develop a movie along for a
long time, uh, not a long time, but a year
or two about the American Indians and kind of what
(01:02:20):
we did to the American Indians and uh, Brian, somebody
that I could, I feel like, you know, I'm maybe
maybe maybe we'll compose a letter. All, have my AI
fucking secretary do it and compose a letter to him
and ask him if you'd be willing to come on
and talk about his experiences with them making that movie.
The guy they cast is him looked exactly like the
(01:02:43):
guy that I used to hang out with that right,
Oh my god, exactly. But it'd be interesting to know,
because he's like a producer on executive producer. It'd be
interesting to know how much you know, because you just
can't get because they used all that music, they used
all the Queen, You just can't get anything done without.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Did you ever did you ever see a Queen concert?
Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I went to one in La while we were rude. Alright,
I gotta go cha, I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Mean, tell me who much you're let to A strange
begin show.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Which hand would you choose to whip away unto your crew,
to your waiting around the old bella?
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
How would you look apart someone dirtier than you under me?
Why let me carry on without shoes?
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
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