August 20, 2025 • 68 mins
In today’s episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, we dive deep into the behind-the-scenes stories of the movie ‘The Lords of Discipline.’ Michael shares his journey auditioning for the film and his memorable collaboration with actors like Bill Paxton, Rick Rossovich, and Judge Reinhold. Michael goes on to talk about how a one day shoot on the movie eventually led to an affair many years later that then ended his first marriage. The discussion also highlights key filmmakers such as the director Franc Roddam and writer Tom Pope, touching on Franc’s previous work on 'Quadrophenia' and other notable films.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
02:13 Michael on the Carradine and Family
05:13 Reflecting on Kung Fu and Childhood Shows
15:37 Judge Reinhold and Lords of Discipline
18:17 Audition Stories and Casting Experiences
30:18 Coincidental Reunion on a London Bus
38:21 Confession and Consequences
43:40 Meeting Michael’s second wife Gina
51:27 Reflecting on Past Projects
58:58 Football and Doug Stanhope
01:05:47 Future Plans
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
02:13 Michael on the Carradine and Family
05:13 Reflecting on Kung Fu and Childhood Shows
15:37 Judge Reinhold and Lords of Discipline
18:17 Audition Stories and Casting Experiences
30:18 Coincidental Reunion on a London Bus
38:21 Confession and Consequences
43:40 Meeting Michael’s second wife Gina
51:27 Reflecting on Past Projects
58:58 Football and Doug Stanhope
01:05:47 Future Plans
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared or against my brain in order to
say that won't don't seem to so long as I
they will do one time, the stop the days I
don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm good. Are you like in that room that you
were telling me about at the room I am in
that room in the courtroom? Yeah, well, thank you for
holding on. Sounds like you got off pretty early today.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So you've been hanging out a little bit so you
could do the podcast, which I appreciate. I just came
from doing another podcast, Like there's not enough people doing podcasts, but.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Uh what your next door neighbor right now.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
My son Dash's got a podcast now, so I had
to of course, I uh Veronica Cartwright called me about
two weeks ago. She said, I've got a friend. He's
doing a podcast and he does it with Bobby Kardine.
And I thought, okay, well, I thought, I you know,
(01:18):
I certainly owed her a favor because she came on
our podcast and she was fantastic and interesting and you know,
people really seem to uh you know, have a reaction
a good one, and uh so she's you know, she
asked me to call these guys so like last night.
(01:42):
You know, I I'm tired, and Jennifer goes, oh no uh,
and I'm like what what what? She was you got
the podcast tomorrow? You got a podcast, the podcast tomorrow.
I'm like, I know, I know, he's a big deal.
She goes, no, no, no, no, no, your podcast the other podcast.
(02:05):
I'm like, what, pie, what are you talking about? So
and then she started berating me from not having such
a terrible memory. And that went on for a while
and then I finally figured out what she was talking about.
And so I just come from that, which was kind
(02:25):
of fun talking to Bobby Carrodine, just because he came
from that family of Carodines. His father's two brothers, you know,
the real I guess. I guess Keith Carrodine's got children.
Keith's no longer around, but maybe he has children that
are that are now working. So he's talking about three
(02:48):
generations of Carodines. But he was kind of interesting to
talk to. You know, he did a movie when he
was a kid, at like twelve or something called Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know that movie John Wayne movie. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah yeah. So I figured he'd probably been asked enough
about John Wayne that I wouldn't ask him about John Wayne,
but you know he, uh, he's worked with a lot
of interesting people and of course he grew up in
(03:24):
that family. And who did forty eight Hours?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, the Walter Hill movie.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, Walter Hill. We did the Walter Hill movie. Is
it the Long Writers where they did all the.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Probably it would be the Long Writers.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And he did with the other Chardines because they were
you know, the.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Quaids, the Chardins. And was there another group another family?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
There was another all the teachers, the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Teachers, right, yeah, yeah, James and Stacy. Yeah, Bobby was
in Revenge of the Nerds too.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think he was a sequel.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, it was a kind of fun movie for what
it was.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well. He also he was in a movie that I
remember called Tag. And the reason that I remember Tag
is because uh hmm, the reason I remember Tag is
(04:29):
because of uh, I just came off the the podcast.
Now I can't think about anything Lenna Hamilton. Then Hamilton
had dide a movie called Tag and that he was
in it. So when I said to him, oh, you
did Tag, didn't you know, he kind of looked at
me sideways like, noway's ever heard of Tag before? And uh,
(04:50):
I said it was Linda, right, and he was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
she's a sweetheart, and oh you know, she's a twin
and anyway, so it's interesting to talk to him just
because of his older brother. When I was a kid,
there were two shows that I thought were just really
really fabulous. One of them was The Wild Wild West,
(05:12):
which they tried to make a movie out of it
and very well Will Smith and Kevin Kleine, I think,
and that didn't That didn't turn out very well. This
one they never tried to make. But as a kid,
I used to love that show. And the other show
that I used to love was a show called kung
Fu and that was Bobby Kerody's oldest brother and David, Yeah,
(05:37):
David Kardy and David Uh, you know, plays this kung
fu master who's kind of walking around the West or
whatever just with people just find one reason or another
they want to attack him, and he uses his kung
(05:57):
fu to keep people at bay. I actually probably because
I was talking about it, my phone heard me. It
started like all of a sudden, I started getting a
couple of things like kung Fu clips and uh, because
I used to love I used to love that show,
and I used to think it was so profound. When
I was a kid, it was probably like ten and
(06:18):
and and so I looked at one of the clips
and he's out in the desert and he's walking along
as he usually was, and all of a sudden's are
like eight or ten Indians that kind of pop up
from around the ridges around him, all with their bows
bow and arrows, and they all just start shooting at
them with their bows and arrows, and he just like
(06:41):
snatches the arrows out out of the air and snatches
him and snatches him and breaks them and snatches. Yeah.
And I kind of thought to myself, I guess, you know,
I guess I was ten, so you know, Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Kind of fun to talk to him a little bit.
He's uh, And I knew I didn't know Keith Carrodean,
but he was with ICM, and I used to see
him in the hallways quite a bit, and I was
introduced to him and hung out with him a little bit,
but never never worked with him.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So, but that was Keith had a musical career too.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Keith Keith. Yeah, he didn't even want an Emmy or
an Oscar big.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, he was in on Nashville Robert movie.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yes, in a movie called Welcome to La where his
music kind of perkoleated all the way through that movie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so there was you know, so
I didn't the other I guess the person that was
kind of setting up the podcast and it was like
kind of his podcast with like his deal. He's an actor,
which I didn't recognize him, but about my age, I
(08:01):
guess you no, he's a little bit younger than me,
but I didn't. I didn't recognize him, but I think
they were like just just getting started and they had
a lot of equipment there because he's like the guy's
a filmmaker, and the guy who was doing the podcast
had just not just but a year ago or something
was talking about shooting something with Stephen Lang, so they
(08:23):
had kind of a you know, you know, had some
some credibility there. You don't get Stephen Lang in your
in your movie unless you've got lots of money or
there was some other good stuff. But they were it
looked to me like they were just starting and they
(08:45):
had i'll think the guy's name, and they had somebody
on before me. So I waited about ten minutes and
then when that guy left. He wasn't there in the studio.
They were doing him the what are you? Yeah, and
uh that was I'll think of his name in a
(09:05):
second two and uh uh So there was sort of
this like, gee, I wonder if this we're really hoping,
you know, we really think it's going to be, you know,
or we really you know, not not having any idea.
I don't think you know that they're just gonna be
(09:28):
like the rest of us won in like three or
four million podcasts and they don't have They got Bobby Carrody,
but Bobby doesn't he does not carry the show the
way that that that that I do, just you know,
as far as interviewing and and and uh so, in
(09:53):
my heart of hearts, you know, I felt a little
sorry for them because I think they're gonna, you know,
put these out, have all sorts of expectations and then
probably you know, have reality hit him.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
In the same Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think that's kind of everybody these days.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I remember the assassination game tag.
It was one of two projects that were running around
at that time. The other one was called Chaos Killing
as an Killing as an Organized Sport or something like that.
Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I don't remember that Chaos.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, they were.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
They were sort of like similar but computing projects the
way often happens in the movie Biz. I think Tag
was the one that got made first.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The only reason I was really aware of Tag and
the fact that he was in and I just remembered
it is it was because it was one of Linda
Hamilton's It was before she did determine it. She might
have done Children of the Corn. Also, I think Steven
Stephen King, I don't believe it is now Children of
(11:03):
the Corn is not remember that? What's that Twilight episode,
the great Greatest Twilight Zone.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah, it's based on Stephen King's short story?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is Stephen King? Okay, you're wrong, Jim fucking unbelievable, gotcha.
You must have spent a lot of time in your
grand jury duties, like concentrating on whether you're going to
throw these bumps in jail or not to not be
able to know that Stephen King, that I am, yeah,
actually knew something that you didn't didn't know. Uh uh Anyway,
(11:42):
I I I was wondering what, you know, what we
might want to talk about today? And uh I yeah,
I was thinking about actors and we kind of have
lists and all this sort of stuff. But you know,
(12:04):
an actor whenever people talk to me, and I even
said it to them on the podcast, and I talk
about doing the Terminator and saying, you know, at that point,
I wanted to work with de Niro, I wanted to
work with Chino. I want to work with Justin Hoffman
and Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty, you know as Paul Newman.
Those are the guys that I wanted to work with.
(12:25):
And so, you know, working with Arnold at Meat to
me at that time was was not that you know, like,
oh my god, it's Anald Swortsnegger. But you know there's
an actor around Jim that is I would say, probably
(12:46):
ten years younger than all of those guys. And he's
no longer with us, but I think he probably really
thinking about it. I would look at him and say,
I think he's the best actor of of of of
(13:09):
all time.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Do you know I'd be really curious who you were.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You don't know, you you have a you don't have
a clue.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And you say no longer with those.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well yeah, I used to. Yeah he died. Uh uh,
you want me to give you a clue Hoffman. No, well, no,
but that's a that's a good that's a good that's
a good. Guess he was. He was awfully, awfully awfully.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I watched CAMPODI not long ago and that was an
oscar of deserving performance for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. Uh, and we had Clifton Collins Junior. Oh, speaking
of uh Clifton Collins, I already like, uh calling some
of the people that I hadn't spoken to for a
(14:05):
long time, asking them if they would do the podcast.
And uh. One of the people uh that I called
was uh Freddie Rodriguez. And Freddie Rodriguez was the star
(14:29):
of Grindhouse. He was the star of Robert Rodriguez's uh
Planet Terror, and he basically whatever this is seven eighteen
years ago or whatever it was, And I was hanging
(14:52):
out on that set and I was around. He's a
good kid. He's a good, good guy, wonderful actor. I
told you, you know, we talked before or about M
Knight Shyamalan. He worked with Kurt Russell and Poseidon. He
did uh Bobby, he did.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Uh Good Lady in the Water Shyamalan.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
M Night Shyamalan, Right, And and I think he's still
you know, still working all the time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
He did some good movies. I walked in the Clouds
Dead Presidents back in the nineties. Those are pretty good movies.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
You guys were also in Havoc together.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, we were an Avoc together. And uh so we've
done twos together. So he said he would come on
and he's local, so hopefully we can get him into
the studio. And then I also called uh an old
friend that I hadn't spoken to in a long time. Uh,
(15:50):
you know, Judge Reinhold is.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Right, Jim, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Judge is uh well, I you know I originally
met Judge when we did Lords of Discipline. He was
in Lord's Discipline. I don't know if that was before
or after Fast Times at Richmond High.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Do you know it would be before?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It would have been before okay.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, after Fast Time two Lords of Discipline eighty three.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Did you get that chance?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean we were we were putting Lords of Discipline
together in nineteen eighty one. I remember, So that's why
I thought it was. I mean, it came on to
my horizon before Fast Times at Ridgemont High got made
I don't know if he shot it first or or
which order they were shot, but I know that fast
(16:47):
time or that Lords of Discipline was coming together before
Ridgemont did so well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's why I said it was interesting. Frank Rodham, who
directed Lords of Discipline, directed a movie before that called Quadraphinia,
and he worked closely with the who I believed if
and Sting was in that movie. And yeah, it made
(17:17):
quite an impact. You know. It was the kids running
around on mopeds over in England and like its kind
of that era, and they had names.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
For what got him signed by ICM, and it's what
got him a lot of attention with Hollywood producers and
studio executives.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well one of the things that I
had kind of forgotten is I always had held a
little bit of a grudge and maybe it's why if
you look at Lords of Discipline, I'm not in it
very much. But when I'm in it, I'm fucking in it.
I'm good at it, that's for sure. You know. I
(17:54):
swear I met Bill Paxton and Bill played my like
can command my second bad guy. You know, you're standing
by me with his fists clinched, you know, like my
attack dog, so I could just smile, Yeah, you know,
have your fucking lit one correctly and whatever it was.
(18:17):
But I was, I was really Uh. We shot out
of wind England, and I've told that story before about
Bill and I get in hide Frank catching us and stuff.
But I went in and auditioned for that, and I auditioned,
uh for the lead in that movie. And when I
(18:37):
went into audition, I went in and there was you know,
Bill Paxton, there was judge Ryan Holt. There were like
three or four other people that ended up being in
the movie. Okay, so these were these were his picks.
(19:00):
These were his picks, uh. And and I you know,
we went to Paramount and we auditioned for the suits
at Paramount, and which I don't know if you were
one of them or not, Jim, I was there. Well
(19:23):
you didn't stand up for me very well because uh
what happened, uh was every single person that was there,
maybe there's four or five. I forget exactly who it was,
but I know Paxton was there and a couple and
everybody was cast except for me. I wasn't cast, and
(19:49):
I they replaced me with what's his name?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Jim?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Do you know the lead lead, the guy who's in
Richard gear movie.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Hm, I'm not sure hand who you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, well he was the lead and Lords of Discipline,
you know. And then there was a guy who kind
of played a gay. He was a very famous artist's son.
He was auditioning too, and so anyway, can you look.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
At I think.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
David, Yeah, David Keith. Yeah. So David Keith ended up
playing the role that I auditioned for for uh them,
and a number a number of times, probably for Frank
two or three, probably three three auditions, and then we
went in front of Paramount and like everybody's got the role.
(20:58):
And then they came back to me and they said, well,
there's the role of the bad, the bad young Cadet
and that had Robert Prosky in it and had also
what's the name of the guy from Texas who was
in Apark Clypse now uh spread godfather too? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(21:25):
tells Michael what's the fucking Yeah exactly, yeah, greasy motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I don't like you. Yeah, run you out of here,
you and your whole family.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah. Uh he was in it. So it was like
this great cast and so then uh, my agent was
probably at at the time, said well they you know,
they're they're interested in you to play like the young
the bad guy, the bad cadet, which I thought like, okay, yeah,
(22:00):
you know I reread it and looked at it and said, yeah, good,
I'm down for that. Well, Frank wants you to come
back in and read for it and for him, not paramount,
not nothing. You know, they got they got their David Keith,
and they were happy, but Frank wanted me to come
back and read for him. I don't think I ever
(22:21):
forgave him for that, you know, I really it was
just like and I think I was so fucking angry
about that, and that's one of the reasons why I
was so good in the movie. Yeah, and I you know,
(22:43):
and I did, and I went back and auditioned for
him again, and yeah, I got the role, but kind
of I didn't. I didn't think about it then that way,
but kind of humiliating that, you know, you know, like, gee,
I know you could play the good guy, but I'm
not sure if you can. You know, this is after
I done, after I've done a fan I'm sure, after
(23:04):
I've done Deadly Intentions, and and yeah, and he you know,
he's uh, he had a you know, he he's a
very very very talented guy who made Lord's Discipline and
Lord's Discipline you know, had Mark Briland in.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
It, who was is basically was the boxer. Yeah, it's
based Olympic caliber champion boxer with.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Me, well, Mark Mark Breland. First of all, this just
to let the audience know, I'm talking about a book
that was based on I mean a screenplay that was
based on Pat Conroy.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It's a Pat Conroy who wrote Great tant A lot
of Pat Conroy's books were all somewhere auto biographical. The
first one Conrad was a John Boyd right about his
time teaching kids black kids on the coastal Islands or
South Carolina. And then Lords of Discipline came along, and
(24:11):
Great Santini right around the same time, which was very autobiographical.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That was his dad. That that wider Pilot was his dad.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, and then and then Lords of Discipline is sort
of based on his experiences at the Citadel, a military
academy in South Carolina in the early sixties.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, in his book and in our story, the story
really was about the first black cadet at the citadel
and the problems that went along with that, and they're
being sort of a secret society underneath.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
As I recall, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
There you go, and uh, you know that movie said
it had Bill was my second command. Here was my
my my dog. I always had to keep on a leash.
He was ready to go off at any point. Down boy,
down wait, hold on, hold on. He's got like the
(25:15):
you know, like the thing around his neck, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Guy, he was that I was when I first met Bill. Boy,
he was, he was was really something. Bill had a
tendency to be in his early work, I would say,
a little bid, a little big.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
A little broad and over the top.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Ye, a little bit of time, a little bit. But
also uh, he went to work for he went he
went to uh an acting coach named Vince Chase, who's
the godfather of of of of some.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Of his acting classes with James's son.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
With James's son.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, and Bill, I think Bills in his movie The Travelers,
I think he did too, Yeah that movie.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So So anyway, so Rodham directs
this movie and it's a pretty good movie. It's a
pretty good movie. You know what's interesting, you know what
like this, and I'm just going to fucking all over
the place here, but I've I got to tell this
(26:34):
story because I.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Haven't really talked about Lords of Discipline much.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, Jim, you know this story of course, because we
wrote this out a little bit. But I would like
to explain to my first wife and my my twin boys,
and anybody out there that might be interested in knowing
what happened to my first marriage. Was that I'd been
(26:58):
married for about six or seven years and I had
like like like a like a I don't want to
say like a priest because that would maybe you know,
like like a like you know I was. I didn't.
I didn't cheat on my wife at all. I was
like like totally like you know, I was married. So
(27:20):
therefore faithful, thank you, That's the word I was looking for.
I was a faith faithful husband. I didn't want to
say priest because you know, there's that conjures up all
sorts of others, twins. So anyway, we're doing a we're
(27:41):
doing a sequence in Lords Discipline where there's a dance
going on and every cadet is uh uh paired off
with a you know, a good looking young girl woman almost.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Like a sorority sister.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And basically there's probably about twelve or fifteen of us
and we're dancing and we're dancing close, you know, like
body to body all day long, okay. And I was
dancing with this girl, and of course I had my
(28:30):
first wife back. You know, I would leave the set
and then go back to London and you know, my
wife was there, and before I had wait wait wait
wait wait wait oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so it
was before I had Devin and Taylor, and anyway, I
(28:51):
was working with this with this girl, and she was
just beautiful. It's just like just beautiful. And you know,
I'm like twenty five at the time or something, and
was slow dancing like all day, all day long. That's
all we did was slow dance and then like you know,
talking between shots and slow dance, and it was like
(29:13):
it was killing me. It was like she was it
was like really really killing me. But anyway, she you know,
she went on her way and I kind of you know,
went back to my wife and uh year, work with
her one day on Lords one day. One day. One day, okay,
(29:36):
one day, but it was a fun day.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
A full day.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was day. It was a full day, so long, yes,
so one hard day. Yeah, so I you know that
kind of how long was that was? I was twenty
six I think two years later is when I determinate,
(30:01):
or I was twenty eight, So when I was thirty,
Uh is when I was probably twenty nine when I
was over there turning about very ready to turn thirty,
when I was doing Aliens. So I'm over in London,
back in London, back in London. But you know, now
we're in Chelsea. Now we're in there, you're.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And you're about five years after shooting.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Uh lord is that five years? That's what I was
going to ask you. Yeah, for four years yeah, maybe,
well yeah, from the time it came out. Yeah, well,
well from the time that we anyway, So so I
thought it was uh Bill Paxton that I was with.
Timmy recently told me it was Timmy that I was with,
(30:46):
not Bill Paxson. But anyway, i'd been out clubbing and
and you know, it was it was late and uh
we were going home and I was in a bus,
you know, coming back from the nightclub at two o'clock
in the morning and one o'clock in the morning and
(31:08):
we're headed headed down King street, and I kind of
caught the eye of a girl who was in the
back of the other part of the bus, and she
just kind of eyeing me up, kind of looking at me,
and she was like, fucking gorgeous, man, She's just like
absolutely stunningly, you know, beautiful. And you know, I'd kind
(31:33):
of look away and i'd look back, and she'd be
looking at me.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Like like like like like looking at me, looking at me,
and so I started doing the thing where I'm looking
at her and and.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
About the time that and I've always said this, I've
never I've always been so afraid of rejection. I'm just
not the kind of guy walks up to a woman
and said, oh, here's my telephone number, would you give
me a call? Or Hey, would you like to go
out on a date? You're very I'm just like I
would never do that because I was always too afraid
they go, what are you fucking kidding me? You know,
(32:10):
that was like my whole thing. So anyway, so the
bus stops and it's like one more stop to where
we're going, and I get up to go stand because
I'm going to get off the bus the next stop,
and this girl sas says uh, like Michael. And I
(32:35):
was like, what like and she said and I said, yes,
you know, like yes or she caught my attention. I'm
not even sure if she used my name, but she
caught my attention. And I said, yes, yes, and I'm
looking at her, and she'd been eyeing me up, and
I've been eyeing her up and about to get ready
to get off the bus, and she goes, I was
the girl that you danced with in Lord's a Discipline.
(32:58):
I was like, oh my god, God, oh my god,
I can't believe it. What what what a coincidence? I mean, yeah,
what a wow? This is crazy you. And and right
at that moment, like my stop came and and I'm
(33:19):
have to get off the bus. So I'm like, oh
my god, it's so great to see you, so wonderful.
Oh well bye, you know, and I got off the
bus and there she went. There, I went, I was,
I guess it was timmy I thought it was Bill,
but either one, you know, I was like, that's the
girl that I that I danced with and was so
(33:39):
attracted to when I did Lords of Discipline. What a coincidence.
That's absolutely crazy. And so anyway, I went home and.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You don't have her number or anything.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no. I didn't have
the boss to do anything like that. So the next day,
the next day, I'm walking down the King's Road, which
is I don't know how to even Kings Road is
such a cool sort of Melrose place mixed with uh yes, yes, yes,
(34:21):
what's the Rodeo Drive. It's just a fantastic street. So
I'm walking down the street and who comes walking down
the street in the other direction. But her name is Jeanine.
But it was Jeanine, and I was like, oh my,
(34:42):
this this is fate, you know. And I I was oh, hi,
you know, like so anyway, we went and you know,
went and had some coffee and and uh, one thing
led to another, and then you know, I was staying
(35:03):
in this probably is worth probably twenty million dollar house
right off the King's Road, and I took her up
to the house, and one thing led to another.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That was the you know, I just felt for I
felt hard for her, and so I started we started
sleeping together. Now, this was two weeks before my wife
Carlene was coming in to be with me, and she
(35:39):
was coming in at the same time as my parents
were coming in to see me, and she was bringing
my twin boys, who are now forty two, but at
the time they were two, okay or three maybe whatever,
forty years ago whatever it was. Yeah, they were they
were they were yeah, they were like two, and and
(36:04):
I was spending I had ten days before she got there,
and I was spending every single minute with Janine, and
we we just hit it off in every way possible,
listening to music, listening to reading, reading books and poetry
and like, I mean, you know, we were just in love.
(36:26):
I was like totally in love with her. And you know,
I think she had told me that she was in NA,
which is narcotics Anonymous, and that she was she used
to shoot heroin and but you know, I didn't give
(36:49):
a shit. She was like just like fabulous. And but
they got closer to where my wife was coming back
into town with the kids, and my parents were to
show it up and stuff, and you know, the day
finally came where you know, uh, Carlen was, you know,
(37:15):
at the airport and you know, coming in and you
know I'd be meeting her at the apartment and I
literally got out of Janine's bed, you know, and made
that walk because and and as it turns out, Chelsea's
not that huge. It's it didn't turn out to be
like that big of a coincidence. I still looks very coincidental,
but it's, you know, Chelsea the main street. You might
(37:38):
see some of the same people. It's you know. But
so anyway, I go back, uh to meet my wife,
and my wife comes into town with my two kids,
and uh uh my parents were coming in like the
next night. And I'm really bad at just like long
(38:00):
about two women, like lying about I mean, I've done
it enough, but I'm really bad about like like never
really like had an affair behind anybody's back. It's like
everything for me is like just comes out like like
this is you know. So the very first night I
(38:23):
think I was with Carlene, I mean I was with
Devon and Tator's mother. I told I just said to her,
I'm having an affair. I fell in love with this
other girl. And then I don't know what to say.
You know, this is you know, So it might not
(38:44):
have been the first night, might have been the second
night because I wanted to go back. I wanted to
go back to her, and I uh, I uh, you know,
so I told Carlene, and Carlene was get what most
women would do. She said, okay, well, thank you very much,
I'll take the kids, get me a flight. I'm going home.
(39:05):
I want the fuck out of here. You go, do
what you have to do. This kind of thing, she was,
you know, hardcore about it. No like what you know,
it's just like go fuck yourself then see in court.
That kind of like vibe, you know. And and she
took the kids, and uh and and I think by
that time my parents had showed up or whatever. Anyway,
(39:28):
she took the kids, and she was like fucking gone.
She was at gone. And I you know, the moment
she left to get on the bus to take her
to Heathrow, you know, I was like jogging over to
Janine's house to go knock on her door to tell
her like the good news, which was I told my wife, she's, uh, yeah,
(39:56):
she's gone. Now can be me and you you know,
and we're in love and and and all of these
wonderful times that we've had together and uh, you know,
it's it's now, it's great, and you know, so she
was she was happy and hugging and you know, and
so we got back together. We were like, all of
(40:18):
a sudden, we were back together. And that went on
for you know, three or four or five days. I
don't remember the timing exactly, but I do remember seeing
burns on her chest or like spots on her chest.
(40:44):
And I didn't I didn't. I couldn't quite figure it out.
I mean, by this time, we're having sex, see your
body or whatever, and she kind of had burns on
her chest and I thought that was odd. And I
don't know if I asked her about it, she probably
said one thing or the other. And then there seemed
to be some sort of like odd people that would
show up, you know, and she would talk to and
(41:07):
you know, as it turned out, she started using again
after a year of sobriety because maybe because of the
facts that I left her to go be with my wife,
she said, well, fuck this, I'm just going to go
shoot some heroin. I guess once she started.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Using when you were with her, No, no, no, no,
not before.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, it took and even when I got back with her,
it took me. I didn't know anything about heroin.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, No, heroin was never that was always like you
know what, uh, I smoked it once and I thought like, wow,
this is way too fucking good. I never never ever
am going to do this again, because I'll be doing
this the rest of my life for sure. But she
(41:59):
was shooting it and and I, you know, I didn't
quite know what was going on, but but you know,
I was still in love with her, and I still
you know, And I guess what happened is her parents,
who they're all very wealthy people, were living in these great,
great big houses and stuff. I guess her parents had
(42:19):
kind of figured out that she'd started using again, and
they flew in from wherever they were and picked her
up and said, we're taking you back to rehab. And
and that was kind of that. That was pretty much it.
(42:40):
And I found that out. And she the day that
she left, she came, uh. She she asked her parents
if she could drive by Glee Place, which is where
Timmy and I were staying, and and stop and say
goodbye to me. And they're, you know, big beautiful car
pulled up in front of my house. And I got out,
(43:04):
I mean, I left the house, and I walked down
the stairs and I went to say goodbye to her,
and I didn't you know, I didn't. I wasn't smart
enough to go to her father or to her mother,
like to her father, listen, I'm really sorry. I didn't know.
Can I stay in touch? Please tell me, like, can
you just leave me your number? Like I just I
(43:27):
just just didn't, you know, I didn't register. Yeah, yeah,
And you know, there was a tearful goodbye, and she
went in the in the car and I never saw
her again. And then uh two weeks and so then
I was like, Okay, well that's that's that's not that's
(43:49):
that's not that's not very that's not very good. And
then about about two weeks later, I was getting to
be towards the end of the shoot. Two weeks later,
I was I was not used to getting the attention
of like beautiful women. I just you know, I just
(44:10):
I was kind of a good looking young kid. But
like you know, like I said, I wasn't very I
wasn't much of a talker schmoozer. I couldn't like, you know,
I didn't have a line. I you know, I was
very shy about that whole thing. I didn't like I said,
I didn't want to be rejected. But this time, I
know I was with Bill Paxton. And Bill and I
(44:30):
went out and went to the clubs, and then we
decided to have a drink when we on the King's
Road as we were walking home, and so we walked
into the bar and I'm standing at the bar and
I look over and I see this absolutely like stunningly,
(44:53):
stunningly beautiful woman who kind of eyeing me up.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
You know again.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I was like, uh, and you know, kind of looking
at me. And you know how it happens. You look
at her, she looks at you. You look away. She
looked at her, and you look at her. But she
was so beautiful. I just never in my wildest dreams
when I think that I would ever have a chance.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
With with any any any anybody like that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And she, uh said, do you have a light? She
walked and she approached me and she came over and
she said, do you have a light something like that?
And I had matches and I lit her cigarette and
(45:47):
uh yeah, uh and and and she said, are you
the guy that was in the Terminator, the movie The Terminator?
And I said yes, And she said, oh wow. Uh, well,
my boyfriend's coming to pick me up. But I thought
you were really good. And I thought that movie was
(46:10):
really good. And I mean, this girl was like incredibly beautiful,
twenty one years old. And this is after this huge
like love affair that i'd had before, and like two
weeks later, I think this is two weeks later. Yeah,
And so anyway, Bille and I went to finish our
(46:31):
drink and I had, you know, I lit her cigarette
and I said, here, you keep those, and she as
I I was still there, as I was walking out
or she she walked by me and she slipped the
(46:51):
cigarette the matches back into my into my pocket. I
used to wear like these these these coats and yeah suits,
not sports coach type of thing, and slipped that into
my pocket. I didn't even know what it was until
later when I took the matches out and it had
a telephone number on it. You know, I didn't even
(47:13):
at that time. I didn't even know it was in there.
I didn't know she'd even put anything there until like
I got and then there it was. It was her
and her telephone number, and and anyway, I ended up
calling that number because it was very it was very
(47:34):
very uh. She made a very very big impression. And
that turned out to be Kaylin's mother. And so anyway,
we're gonna talk about Jack Leman anyway. Yeah, that's who
(47:59):
the actor was. I was, Uh, yeah, I guess I
kind of wanted to get that out, Jim. You we
wrote this out once? Did that sound pretty much like?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
I recall that that sort of interlude with Janine I
believe her name was. I think her her parents were Iranian. Yeah,
and uh and well to do obviously, because they could,
you know, come and go as they pleased. And uh, yeah,
it was really really kind of a touching story.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Kind of Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, like thar Across loves Yes.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yes, yeah, you really couldn't quite click at any one
time we were both available, right you know. Yeah, And
uh and from what I understand, she wasn't using when
you two were together.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No, no, no, you told her that you.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Were going to go back to your wife. She kind
of you know, tailed off again and fell off again
and started using. And then when you were able to
come back to her and say, hey, my wife, you know,
said we're put and I'm available now. And then you know,
you really couldn't recapture Slender in the grass so to speak.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
You know, that hour was gone, so it was really touching.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
We wrote it up as the you know adndum. We
actually wrote it as kind of an addendum to the
story about Timmy and Full Metal Jacket. Yeah, but yeah,
we did write it up.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
Well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Gina ended up, you know, I I saw her for
I think that this was really towards the last like
a couple of weeks of shooting, and so I saw Gina,
and we saw each other for a couple of weeks,
and then I really fell for her. I just wasn't
used to, like, yeah, something about English girls centered like
(49:45):
you know, because I had a problem was anyway anyway,
So so I really fell for his, uh for for Gina,
And then I went back to America and then immediately
(50:06):
started you know, calling her and having those four hundred
dollars telephone bills.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I remember those days.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And and you know, kind of begging her to come
over and visit me, and she did, and uh.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
I met her in one of those first visits over
after you had done Full Metal Jacket. When wherefore this
would have been in maybe the autumn of eighty six,
sometime around September of eighty six, probably because I don't
think you got married until eighty eight, but I know
it was she had.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Just remember where it was, Jim.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
It was Melio was an Italian restaurant, and Chris Murphy
was there too, and she had just arrived on the plane.
He was jet lagged. But this would have been god
sometime on September August eighty six, I believe.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Gina, and then I think Gina and I.
Gina and I got married at my agent's house, at
Lomanto's house. I'm trying to think of the timing. I'm
not sure where you were married or not. But she
was when I went walked to talk about the Billy
freakin and how crazy billy fre freaking was. She was
(51:25):
around for that, that whole episode of like, Oh the
guy's the greatest singing in the world. Oh my god,
he's out of his fucking mind. That that great. Yeah.
So yeah, no, I was gonna say, Jack Lemon, Joe.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
I wanted to ask too, just because we were talking
about Lords of Discipline and I've seen a lot of
comments online about do you still talk about and you
were talking about reaching out to people to potentially come
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Rick Rossovich Rick but Rick lives in Sweden. Rick would
come on.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
Yeah, we could have like we did Logan.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll I'm sure Rick would would would
love to do it. Yeah. And I always liked Rick.
We always got along very well well. And he was
he was a bear when it came to being on
that say. I mean he was. He was a big, strong,
athletic guy. His older brother played football. Yeah, Kent at
(52:25):
USC tim Rossovich, and tim Rossovich was known at USC
on the football team for being the craziest motherfucker that
ever had ever gone through. But Rick was Rick was.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
Oh yeah, he was. He was an NFL player. He
played NFL seeing Yeah, Timothy John Rossovich.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
He was with the.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Eagles Chargers, Okay, Philadelphia Bell Houston Oilers.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
What do you got? What's his first name? Timothy can't
oh yeah, tim Rossovitch, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and
uh yeah no. He was an intimidating guy. I used
to see him, you know. Once I once I started
doing Lords of Discipline, I started hanging out with like
Rick Rossovich and uh a lot and Bill and I
and Rick were very very close and we used to
(53:19):
hang out quite a bit. But I think Rick would
come on in a heartbeat because Rick was uh. Rick
had quite a film career going uh he uh uh
you know, was in Lords of Discipline. He was one
of the like these stars of it. Uh he had
a much much bigger part than I did. He was
one of the good guys obviously, and uh he he
(53:43):
was very very good in that. And then he did.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Uh a mop Gun.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Well, he did Top Gun and he.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Played Terminator before that.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I mean he was in the Terminator. He's like the
guy who was yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
all of those movies he was in and you know,
doing very well. And then he did the Steve Martin
movie jim where.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
It's based Yeah, it's the it's sort of the modernized
version of Siriano de Berge exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
And here charming movie.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, yes, right, yes, and who directed that, by the way,
Fred Skepsy. Okay, the Australia Australian Yeah, yes. What did
he do in Australia that brought him over?
Speaker 4 (54:36):
He did a movie called The Chanter of Jimmy Blacksmith
by the named Tom Kennealy, who later wrote Schindler's List
the book Schindler's List, but Chanter Jimmy Blacksmith, I think
is based on a real character in Australian history. But
Fred was one of those Australian directors at a time
when Peter Weir and George you know those guys, yeah,
(54:59):
the uh Creamy the crop Wires. Yeah, I mean they
were just cranking out great directors one after another, and
Fred was one of those. He came to this country
and uh he was a client of ours. I c
M and uh, you know, made a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
I think that movie did I think I think that
movie did pretty well. I think it was a pretty
charming movie. And then Rick uh also went off and
did I think Rick went off and did that show Baywatch? Yes,
And I think that something like soured, you know something,
(55:38):
maybe he knew that, like he was going, you know
the BayWa wash hole. You know that's that's you know,
quite a quite a jump to go from Steve Martin
to Baywall. Let let him explain it, if we can,
if we can get him on, get him.
Speaker 6 (55:53):
On the shows.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Now, Well you're talking about Rick watch on his crew it.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Was it was something called Spacific Blue that he described
as Baywatch on bikes.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
You see that, do you see that. Yeah, okay, bay
Watch on bikes Okay, yeah, you know, I you know,
I think it was like you know, cop whatever, you know,
riding around on bikes or shorts on. You never could
really take like cops on bicycles. Yeah yeah, uh yeah, yeah,
(56:39):
we could probably uh get Rick on something something uh something.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
And of course Navy Seals too. I don't know if
you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
That, Navy Seals. Of course he was in Navy Seals.
And uh again what a cast Navy Seals was Dennis
as Bear and and Charlie who was wonderful and built
Paxton and uh there were a number of remind me
to I tell the ghost stories. I tell you that, Jim,
(57:09):
or I haven't said the podcast the Ghost the Ghost Story. Okay, well,
here's the thing. People still want to hear about Navy Seals.
So I I want I can go over Navy Seals
one more time, and there's a bunch of stuff I
want to do it.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
I was hoping to do it like a kind of
almost a full episode, like how you've done with the Abyss.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
We can do that. Yeah, yeah, we can do that.
And uh. One of the interesting things about it was that,
you know, Jim, I always wonder when I was having
those story sessions with a director for a Dian slip.
I can't think of the guy's name. Yea, uh remember
(57:58):
his He had a person there who was basically there
to write and like, try to pump that script up,
and I'll get into the whole what I got offered
and how I got into it, and I'll go through
all that again. But you remember that that right, You
(58:18):
remember that writer's name, Jim. He's the Attack Angel. Yeah,
and he direct He wrote Rudy and Hoosiers. Yeah, so
he he actually was a very good writer, at least
as far as those two sports movies went. And I
don't be interesting to know what with his take on
(58:41):
me coming in saying well, this is crap. This doesn't
make any sense. You know, I don't want to all
fez all these bodies. But we'll leave that. We'll leave
that for leave that for the next hopefully, if if
we start talking about it, I can stay on on
(59:01):
on points. That would be three or four minutes, three
or four minutes. What's the football season start, guys?
Speaker 6 (59:13):
Is that September fourth?
Speaker 2 (59:14):
I think September fourth, though, that's that's always like a
good good thing. It's the worst thing about the Oh
actually yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did uh uh A
super Bowl comes in as embedding uh with Doug Stanhope.
I owe him a telephone call and called, you're.
Speaker 4 (59:36):
Going to do your running.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well, Well, here's the thing about it is he last
the last last year. He can't. He was the very
first guest we ever had in the podcast, and the
reason we got him was because he would be like
nine hundred dollars at the end of the year. And
he went on a streak.
Speaker 5 (59:56):
Well not only that, you guys just pick wins and losses.
Went for a hundred bucks. Ye pick went win, lost
hundred bucks. Loser picks the team for the next week,
and he went for nine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I told him that's like flipping a quarter and getting
it wrong nine times. And that's what happened to him.
And so he came on and he talked about it
when we did our first podcast. It's so lovely. He's
such a funny, fun I really miss him as one
(01:00:28):
of the things I miss about Bisbee, but he's just
so funny, and you know, whenever I text him, he's
always back with some kind Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
But so I was gonna say the next season. So
last year's football season, which is it wasn't a kind
of similar way, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Well, you know, the season ended. It didn't start off
with him being like oh for eight nine. You know,
it didn't start off that way. But at the end
of the season he owed me seven hundred dollars. So
this is and listen, I don't know anything about football.
I mean, I mean, I know I know football, but
I quit watching it when they called the tuck rule
(01:01:10):
on on the Raiders or not on the Raiders on
uh Bradley Tom Brady. Yeah, like I don't know who
they called it on the tuck rule that that that
still I just want to fucking jump up and smash
my foot through the TV set the tuck rule.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Uh but.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Uh yeah, So football season is coming up. He owes
me seven hundred dollars. So I was hoping he would
come out and do another podcast and and I'd say, like,
you know, don't worry about the seven hundred. But I
think he got pretty busy and at one point.
Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
He wanted to go off to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Well yeah, yeah, well a lot to laugh about over there.
Over over in the Ukraine. I heard an interesting take
Jim on kind of the opposite of everything we ever
hear about, you know, Russia and Ukraine. And I heard like,
(01:02:18):
let's just say a point of view that basically talked
about the United States after the Soviet Union broke up,
you know, just you know, getting like NATO and just
like getting it closer and closer and closer and closer
(01:02:38):
to Russia and not kind of thinking that Americans just
kind of thought they could do whatever they wanted, and
it just like just kept pushing and pushing and pushing
to where Putin just felt like, fuck, you know, they're
all around us, and there were opportunities for it wouldn't
have been this leader, but there are opportunities in the past,
(01:03:00):
back in twenty fifteen or fourteen or whenever that war
wasn't Why did why did How did Jim White did?
Why did Obama let Russia just go take Crimea just
(01:03:21):
like Okay, we're gonna go fucking take that part of
Ukraine which is like a really important part, right, Oh yeah,
Why did Why did he do that? Was there any
like a want of choice?
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Did you want to go to war over? And I
think that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
We've certainly gone to war over less stupid or stupid things.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Our European allies also didn't want to go to war
over but they definitely said we will not recognize this.
We still don't, and we put all sorts of sanctions
on Russia at that time. We kick them out of
the G seven, the Group of Seven, which is the
big industrialized major countries of the world. Tried to ostracize
them as most we can, but we had to ask,
(01:04:08):
you know, ask our something we releach you like go
into war over us. And Ukraine wasn't a part of
NATO at that time. It's not still not a part
of NATO, but it's been a NATO country. We have
that Article five that says an attack against one is
an attack against all, which we did use during the
during the nine to eleven situation when they sent NATO
(01:04:29):
sent troops to Afghanistan to help us out over the Yeah, yeah,
they surely, you know. And the one reason that so
many of those countries that had been in the former
Iron Curtain were eager to join NATO is because they
didn't want to face what Ukraine is facing right now
for Putin. They didn't want to see, they didn't want
to have, they didn't want to have Putin come back.
(01:04:51):
They didn't want to have Russians come back and take
over their countries again, so they were eager to get
NATO membership countries like Poland and Hungry and check with
the former Czech Republic.
Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
And now of course that you see some companies like
Sweden and Finland, which were largely neutral or standing on
the content to be sitting on the sidelines or have
joined NATO. So you know, it's not like it's not like,
you know, poor Putin's sitting there and this aggressive NATO
is gobbling up all these countries around him. Now they're
(01:05:27):
in a defensive posture. You know, they're there. Nobody wants Russia. Okay,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I know that. My experiences in Russia were like less
than yeah, fucking pretty horrible. Yeah, I know Russian people
are like just fucking horrible. And you know when they
talk about like, oh, the government and the government, the government,
you know, the people, the ones that I knew, the
ones that I met, the ones that I came into
(01:05:57):
contact with a little bit like Putin, so Jim, I
think our time is up. I wanted to thank you
for uh hanging and not not he could be home
right now, lords of Discipline.
Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
I'm glad we got to talk about Lords of Discipline
in some greater degree than we had previously.
Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah, and we can talk a little bit more about
Frank because I did Kate two with Frank. I always
like the fact that I worked with you.
Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Know, Frank, he was a client of ours that I
see him.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I was putting him up for all kinds of projects
very early on, shortly after he had done Quadrophenia and
before he was signed up for Lords and Discipline, So
I first kind of got to know him at that stage.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
So script Jim, Okay, Jim, we gotta go, we gotta go.
I thank you for discipline. Yeah, okay, I will. I'll
talk to you soon, Jim. And thank you. And should
(01:07:01):
I tell our guests that they should like do anything
like like listen on Spotify.
Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Or subscribing on Spotify and Apple would help us out
a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, say that again.
Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Subscribe on Apple or Spotify or wherever.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
You that would help us. That would help us out.
And that way we'll get really really really good people.
The other I mentioned judge, judge, judge you judge. Yeah, anyway,
we're gonna have some good guests on soon and hopefully
they'll be in studio, but if not, and we'll reach
out to a cross. Okay, all right, Jim, thank you
(01:07:36):
sounds good bye, Safe travelers.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Tell me Strange Pigs, which ham would you choose? To wait?
Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
One? Two?
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Like a beat carried on without shoes?
Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Want you d supers jo Fam
I have declared or against my brain in order to
say that won't don't seem to so long as I
they will do one time, the stop the days I
don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm good. Are you like in that room that you
were telling me about at the room I am in
that room in the courtroom? Yeah, well, thank you for
holding on. Sounds like you got off pretty early today.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So you've been hanging out a little bit so you
could do the podcast, which I appreciate. I just came
from doing another podcast, Like there's not enough people doing podcasts, but.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Uh what your next door neighbor right now.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
My son Dash's got a podcast now, so I had
to of course, I uh Veronica Cartwright called me about
two weeks ago. She said, I've got a friend. He's
doing a podcast and he does it with Bobby Kardine.
And I thought, okay, well, I thought, I you know,
(01:18):
I certainly owed her a favor because she came on
our podcast and she was fantastic and interesting and you know,
people really seem to uh you know, have a reaction
a good one, and uh so she's you know, she
asked me to call these guys so like last night.
(01:42):
You know, I I'm tired, and Jennifer goes, oh no uh,
and I'm like what what what? She was you got
the podcast tomorrow? You got a podcast, the podcast tomorrow.
I'm like, I know, I know, he's a big deal.
She goes, no, no, no, no, no, your podcast the other podcast.
(02:05):
I'm like, what, pie, what are you talking about? So
and then she started berating me from not having such
a terrible memory. And that went on for a while
and then I finally figured out what she was talking about.
And so I just come from that, which was kind
(02:25):
of fun talking to Bobby Carrodine, just because he came
from that family of Carodines. His father's two brothers, you know,
the real I guess. I guess Keith Carrodine's got children.
Keith's no longer around, but maybe he has children that
are that are now working. So he's talking about three
(02:48):
generations of Carodines. But he was kind of interesting to
talk to. You know, he did a movie when he
was a kid, at like twelve or something called Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know that movie John Wayne movie. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah yeah. So I figured he'd probably been asked enough
about John Wayne that I wouldn't ask him about John Wayne,
but you know he, uh, he's worked with a lot
of interesting people and of course he grew up in
(03:24):
that family. And who did forty eight Hours?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, the Walter Hill movie.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, Walter Hill. We did the Walter Hill movie. Is
it the Long Writers where they did all the.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Probably it would be the Long Writers.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And he did with the other Chardines because they were
you know, the.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Quaids, the Chardins. And was there another group another family?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
There was another all the teachers, the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Teachers, right, yeah, yeah, James and Stacy. Yeah, Bobby was
in Revenge of the Nerds too.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think he was a sequel.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, it was a kind of fun movie for what
it was.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well. He also he was in a movie that I
remember called Tag. And the reason that I remember Tag
is because uh hmm, the reason I remember Tag is
(04:29):
because of uh, I just came off the the podcast.
Now I can't think about anything Lenna Hamilton. Then Hamilton
had dide a movie called Tag and that he was
in it. So when I said to him, oh, you
did Tag, didn't you know, he kind of looked at
me sideways like, noway's ever heard of Tag before? And uh,
(04:50):
I said it was Linda, right, and he was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
she's a sweetheart, and oh you know, she's a twin
and anyway, so it's interesting to talk to him just
because of his older brother. When I was a kid,
there were two shows that I thought were just really
really fabulous. One of them was The Wild Wild West,
(05:12):
which they tried to make a movie out of it
and very well Will Smith and Kevin Kleine, I think,
and that didn't That didn't turn out very well. This
one they never tried to make. But as a kid,
I used to love that show. And the other show
that I used to love was a show called kung
Fu and that was Bobby Kerody's oldest brother and David, Yeah,
(05:37):
David Kardy and David Uh, you know, plays this kung
fu master who's kind of walking around the West or
whatever just with people just find one reason or another
they want to attack him, and he uses his kung
(05:57):
fu to keep people at bay. I actually probably because
I was talking about it, my phone heard me. It
started like all of a sudden, I started getting a
couple of things like kung Fu clips and uh, because
I used to love I used to love that show,
and I used to think it was so profound. When
I was a kid, it was probably like ten and
(06:18):
and and so I looked at one of the clips
and he's out in the desert and he's walking along
as he usually was, and all of a sudden's are
like eight or ten Indians that kind of pop up
from around the ridges around him, all with their bows
bow and arrows, and they all just start shooting at
them with their bows and arrows, and he just like
(06:41):
snatches the arrows out out of the air and snatches
him and snatches him and breaks them and snatches. Yeah.
And I kind of thought to myself, I guess, you know,
I guess I was ten, so you know, Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Kind of fun to talk to him a little bit.
He's uh, And I knew I didn't know Keith Carrodean,
but he was with ICM, and I used to see
him in the hallways quite a bit, and I was
introduced to him and hung out with him a little bit,
but never never worked with him.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So, but that was Keith had a musical career too.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Keith Keith. Yeah, he didn't even want an Emmy or
an Oscar big.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, he was in on Nashville Robert movie.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yes, in a movie called Welcome to La where his
music kind of perkoleated all the way through that movie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so there was you know, so
I didn't the other I guess the person that was
kind of setting up the podcast and it was like
kind of his podcast with like his deal. He's an actor,
which I didn't recognize him, but about my age, I
(08:01):
guess you no, he's a little bit younger than me,
but I didn't. I didn't recognize him, but I think
they were like just just getting started and they had
a lot of equipment there because he's like the guy's
a filmmaker, and the guy who was doing the podcast
had just not just but a year ago or something
was talking about shooting something with Stephen Lang, so they
(08:23):
had kind of a you know, you know, had some
some credibility there. You don't get Stephen Lang in your
in your movie unless you've got lots of money or
there was some other good stuff. But they were it
looked to me like they were just starting and they
(08:45):
had i'll think the guy's name, and they had somebody
on before me. So I waited about ten minutes and
then when that guy left. He wasn't there in the studio.
They were doing him the what are you? Yeah, and
uh that was I'll think of his name in a
(09:05):
second two and uh uh So there was sort of
this like, gee, I wonder if this we're really hoping,
you know, we really think it's going to be, you know,
or we really you know, not not having any idea.
I don't think you know that they're just gonna be
(09:28):
like the rest of us won in like three or
four million podcasts and they don't have They got Bobby Carrody,
but Bobby doesn't he does not carry the show the
way that that that that I do, just you know,
as far as interviewing and and and uh so, in
(09:53):
my heart of hearts, you know, I felt a little
sorry for them because I think they're gonna, you know,
put these out, have all sorts of expectations and then
probably you know, have reality hit him.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
In the same Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think that's kind of everybody these days.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I remember the assassination game tag.
It was one of two projects that were running around
at that time. The other one was called Chaos Killing
as an Killing as an Organized Sport or something like that.
Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I don't remember that Chaos.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, they were.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
They were sort of like similar but computing projects the
way often happens in the movie Biz. I think Tag
was the one that got made first.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The only reason I was really aware of Tag and
the fact that he was in and I just remembered
it is it was because it was one of Linda
Hamilton's It was before she did determine it. She might
have done Children of the Corn. Also, I think Steven
Stephen King, I don't believe it is now Children of
(11:03):
the Corn is not remember that? What's that Twilight episode,
the great Greatest Twilight Zone.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah, it's based on Stephen King's short story?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is Stephen King? Okay, you're wrong, Jim fucking unbelievable, gotcha.
You must have spent a lot of time in your
grand jury duties, like concentrating on whether you're going to
throw these bumps in jail or not to not be
able to know that Stephen King, that I am, yeah,
actually knew something that you didn't didn't know. Uh uh Anyway,
(11:42):
I I I was wondering what, you know, what we
might want to talk about today? And uh I yeah,
I was thinking about actors and we kind of have
lists and all this sort of stuff. But you know,
(12:04):
an actor whenever people talk to me, and I even
said it to them on the podcast, and I talk
about doing the Terminator and saying, you know, at that point,
I wanted to work with de Niro, I wanted to
work with Chino. I want to work with Justin Hoffman
and Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty, you know as Paul Newman.
Those are the guys that I wanted to work with.
(12:25):
And so, you know, working with Arnold at Meat to
me at that time was was not that you know, like,
oh my god, it's Anald Swortsnegger. But you know there's
an actor around Jim that is I would say, probably
(12:46):
ten years younger than all of those guys. And he's
no longer with us, but I think he probably really
thinking about it. I would look at him and say,
I think he's the best actor of of of of
(13:09):
all time.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Do you know I'd be really curious who you were.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You don't know, you you have a you don't have
a clue.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And you say no longer with those.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well yeah, I used to. Yeah he died. Uh uh,
you want me to give you a clue Hoffman. No, well, no,
but that's a that's a good that's a good that's
a good. Guess he was. He was awfully, awfully awfully.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I watched CAMPODI not long ago and that was an
oscar of deserving performance for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. Uh, and we had Clifton Collins Junior. Oh, speaking
of uh Clifton Collins, I already like, uh calling some
of the people that I hadn't spoken to for a
(14:05):
long time, asking them if they would do the podcast.
And uh. One of the people uh that I called
was uh Freddie Rodriguez. And Freddie Rodriguez was the star
(14:29):
of Grindhouse. He was the star of Robert Rodriguez's uh
Planet Terror, and he basically whatever this is seven eighteen
years ago or whatever it was, And I was hanging
(14:52):
out on that set and I was around. He's a
good kid. He's a good, good guy, wonderful actor. I
told you, you know, we talked before or about M
Knight Shyamalan. He worked with Kurt Russell and Poseidon. He
did uh Bobby, he did.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Uh Good Lady in the Water Shyamalan.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
M Night Shyamalan, Right, And and I think he's still
you know, still working all the time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
He did some good movies. I walked in the Clouds
Dead Presidents back in the nineties. Those are pretty good movies.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
You guys were also in Havoc together.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, we were an Avoc together. And uh so we've
done twos together. So he said he would come on
and he's local, so hopefully we can get him into
the studio. And then I also called uh an old
friend that I hadn't spoken to in a long time. Uh,
(15:50):
you know, Judge Reinhold is.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Right, Jim, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Judge is uh well, I you know I originally
met Judge when we did Lords of Discipline. He was
in Lord's Discipline. I don't know if that was before
or after Fast Times at Richmond High.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Do you know it would be before?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It would have been before okay.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, after Fast Time two Lords of Discipline eighty three.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Did you get that chance?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean we were we were putting Lords of Discipline
together in nineteen eighty one. I remember, So that's why
I thought it was. I mean, it came on to
my horizon before Fast Times at Ridgemont High got made
I don't know if he shot it first or or
which order they were shot, but I know that fast
(16:47):
time or that Lords of Discipline was coming together before
Ridgemont did so well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's why I said it was interesting. Frank Rodham, who
directed Lords of Discipline, directed a movie before that called Quadraphinia,
and he worked closely with the who I believed if
and Sting was in that movie. And yeah, it made
(17:17):
quite an impact. You know. It was the kids running
around on mopeds over in England and like its kind
of that era, and they had names.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
For what got him signed by ICM, and it's what
got him a lot of attention with Hollywood producers and
studio executives.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well one of the things that I
had kind of forgotten is I always had held a
little bit of a grudge and maybe it's why if
you look at Lords of Discipline, I'm not in it
very much. But when I'm in it, I'm fucking in it.
I'm good at it, that's for sure. You know. I
(17:54):
swear I met Bill Paxton and Bill played my like
can command my second bad guy. You know, you're standing
by me with his fists clinched, you know, like my
attack dog, so I could just smile, Yeah, you know,
have your fucking lit one correctly and whatever it was.
(18:17):
But I was, I was really Uh. We shot out
of wind England, and I've told that story before about
Bill and I get in hide Frank catching us and stuff.
But I went in and auditioned for that, and I auditioned,
uh for the lead in that movie. And when I
(18:37):
went into audition, I went in and there was you know,
Bill Paxton, there was judge Ryan Holt. There were like
three or four other people that ended up being in
the movie. Okay, so these were these were his picks.
(19:00):
These were his picks, uh. And and I you know,
we went to Paramount and we auditioned for the suits
at Paramount, and which I don't know if you were
one of them or not, Jim, I was there. Well
(19:23):
you didn't stand up for me very well because uh
what happened, uh was every single person that was there,
maybe there's four or five. I forget exactly who it was,
but I know Paxton was there and a couple and
everybody was cast except for me. I wasn't cast, and
(19:49):
I they replaced me with what's his name?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Jim?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Do you know the lead lead, the guy who's in
Richard gear movie.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Hm, I'm not sure hand who you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, well he was the lead and Lords of Discipline,
you know. And then there was a guy who kind
of played a gay. He was a very famous artist's son.
He was auditioning too, and so anyway, can you look.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
At I think.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
David, Yeah, David Keith. Yeah. So David Keith ended up
playing the role that I auditioned for for uh them,
and a number a number of times, probably for Frank
two or three, probably three three auditions, and then we
went in front of Paramount and like everybody's got the role.
(20:58):
And then they came back to me and they said, well,
there's the role of the bad, the bad young Cadet
and that had Robert Prosky in it and had also
what's the name of the guy from Texas who was
in Apark Clypse now uh spread godfather too? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(21:25):
tells Michael what's the fucking Yeah exactly, yeah, greasy motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I don't like you. Yeah, run you out of here,
you and your whole family.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah. Uh he was in it. So it was like
this great cast and so then uh, my agent was
probably at at the time, said well they you know,
they're they're interested in you to play like the young
the bad guy, the bad cadet, which I thought like, okay, yeah,
(22:00):
you know I reread it and looked at it and said, yeah, good,
I'm down for that. Well, Frank wants you to come
back in and read for it and for him, not paramount,
not nothing. You know, they got they got their David Keith,
and they were happy, but Frank wanted me to come
back and read for him. I don't think I ever
(22:21):
forgave him for that, you know, I really it was
just like and I think I was so fucking angry
about that, and that's one of the reasons why I
was so good in the movie. Yeah, and I you know,
(22:43):
and I did, and I went back and auditioned for
him again, and yeah, I got the role, but kind
of I didn't. I didn't think about it then that way,
but kind of humiliating that, you know, you know, like, gee,
I know you could play the good guy, but I'm
not sure if you can. You know, this is after
I done, after I've done a fan I'm sure, after
(23:04):
I've done Deadly Intentions, and and yeah, and he you know,
he's uh, he had a you know, he he's a
very very very talented guy who made Lord's Discipline and
Lord's Discipline you know, had Mark Briland in.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
It, who was is basically was the boxer. Yeah, it's
based Olympic caliber champion boxer with.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Me, well, Mark Mark Breland. First of all, this just
to let the audience know, I'm talking about a book
that was based on I mean a screenplay that was
based on Pat Conroy.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It's a Pat Conroy who wrote Great tant A lot
of Pat Conroy's books were all somewhere auto biographical. The
first one Conrad was a John Boyd right about his
time teaching kids black kids on the coastal Islands or
South Carolina. And then Lords of Discipline came along, and
(24:11):
Great Santini right around the same time, which was very autobiographical.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That was his dad. That that wider Pilot was his dad.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, and then and then Lords of Discipline is sort
of based on his experiences at the Citadel, a military
academy in South Carolina in the early sixties.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, in his book and in our story, the story
really was about the first black cadet at the citadel
and the problems that went along with that, and they're
being sort of a secret society underneath.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
As I recall, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
There you go, and uh, you know that movie said
it had Bill was my second command. Here was my
my my dog. I always had to keep on a leash.
He was ready to go off at any point. Down boy,
down wait, hold on, hold on. He's got like the
(25:15):
you know, like the thing around his neck, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Guy, he was that I was when I first met Bill. Boy,
he was, he was was really something. Bill had a
tendency to be in his early work, I would say,
a little bid, a little big.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
A little broad and over the top.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Ye, a little bit of time, a little bit. But
also uh, he went to work for he went he
went to uh an acting coach named Vince Chase, who's
the godfather of of of of some.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Of his acting classes with James's son.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
With James's son.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, and Bill, I think Bills in his movie The Travelers,
I think he did too, Yeah that movie.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So So anyway, so Rodham directs
this movie and it's a pretty good movie. It's a
pretty good movie. You know what's interesting, you know what
like this, and I'm just going to fucking all over
the place here, but I've I got to tell this
(26:34):
story because I.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Haven't really talked about Lords of Discipline much.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, Jim, you know this story of course, because we
wrote this out a little bit. But I would like
to explain to my first wife and my my twin boys,
and anybody out there that might be interested in knowing
what happened to my first marriage. Was that I'd been
(26:58):
married for about six or seven years and I had
like like like a like a I don't want to
say like a priest because that would maybe you know,
like like a like you know I was. I didn't.
I didn't cheat on my wife at all. I was
like like totally like you know, I was married. So
(27:20):
therefore faithful, thank you, That's the word I was looking for.
I was a faith faithful husband. I didn't want to
say priest because you know, there's that conjures up all
sorts of others, twins. So anyway, we're doing a we're
(27:41):
doing a sequence in Lords Discipline where there's a dance
going on and every cadet is uh uh paired off
with a you know, a good looking young girl woman almost.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Like a sorority sister.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And basically there's probably about twelve or fifteen of us
and we're dancing and we're dancing close, you know, like
body to body all day long, okay. And I was
dancing with this girl, and of course I had my
(28:30):
first wife back. You know, I would leave the set
and then go back to London and you know, my
wife was there, and before I had wait wait wait
wait wait wait oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so it
was before I had Devin and Taylor, and anyway, I
(28:51):
was working with this with this girl, and she was
just beautiful. It's just like just beautiful. And you know,
I'm like twenty five at the time or something, and
was slow dancing like all day, all day long. That's
all we did was slow dance and then like you know,
talking between shots and slow dance, and it was like
(29:13):
it was killing me. It was like she was it
was like really really killing me. But anyway, she you know,
she went on her way and I kind of you know,
went back to my wife and uh year, work with
her one day on Lords one day. One day. One day, okay,
(29:36):
one day, but it was a fun day.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
A full day.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It was day. It was a full day, so long, yes,
so one hard day. Yeah, so I you know that
kind of how long was that was? I was twenty
six I think two years later is when I determinate,
(30:01):
or I was twenty eight, So when I was thirty,
Uh is when I was probably twenty nine when I
was over there turning about very ready to turn thirty,
when I was doing Aliens. So I'm over in London,
back in London, back in London. But you know, now
we're in Chelsea. Now we're in there, you're.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And you're about five years after shooting.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Uh lord is that five years? That's what I was
going to ask you. Yeah, for four years yeah, maybe,
well yeah, from the time it came out. Yeah, well,
well from the time that we anyway, So so I
thought it was uh Bill Paxton that I was with.
Timmy recently told me it was Timmy that I was with,
(30:46):
not Bill Paxson. But anyway, i'd been out clubbing and
and you know, it was it was late and uh
we were going home and I was in a bus,
you know, coming back from the nightclub at two o'clock
in the morning and one o'clock in the morning and
(31:08):
we're headed headed down King street, and I kind of
caught the eye of a girl who was in the
back of the other part of the bus, and she
just kind of eyeing me up, kind of looking at me,
and she was like, fucking gorgeous, man, She's just like
absolutely stunningly, you know, beautiful. And you know, I'd kind
(31:33):
of look away and i'd look back, and she'd be
looking at me.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Like like like like like looking at me, looking at me,
and so I started doing the thing where I'm looking
at her and and.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
About the time that and I've always said this, I've
never I've always been so afraid of rejection. I'm just
not the kind of guy walks up to a woman
and said, oh, here's my telephone number, would you give
me a call? Or Hey, would you like to go
out on a date? You're very I'm just like I
would never do that because I was always too afraid
they go, what are you fucking kidding me? You know,
(32:10):
that was like my whole thing. So anyway, so the
bus stops and it's like one more stop to where
we're going, and I get up to go stand because
I'm going to get off the bus the next stop,
and this girl sas says uh, like Michael. And I
(32:35):
was like, what like and she said and I said, yes,
you know, like yes or she caught my attention. I'm
not even sure if she used my name, but she
caught my attention. And I said, yes, yes, and I'm
looking at her, and she'd been eyeing me up, and
I've been eyeing her up and about to get ready
to get off the bus, and she goes, I was
the girl that you danced with in Lord's a Discipline.
(32:58):
I was like, oh my god, God, oh my god,
I can't believe it. What what what a coincidence? I mean, yeah,
what a wow? This is crazy you. And and right
at that moment, like my stop came and and I'm
(33:19):
have to get off the bus. So I'm like, oh
my god, it's so great to see you, so wonderful.
Oh well bye, you know, and I got off the
bus and there she went. There, I went, I was,
I guess it was timmy I thought it was Bill,
but either one, you know, I was like, that's the
girl that I that I danced with and was so
(33:39):
attracted to when I did Lords of Discipline. What a coincidence.
That's absolutely crazy. And so anyway, I went home and.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You don't have her number or anything.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no. I didn't have
the boss to do anything like that. So the next day,
the next day, I'm walking down the King's Road, which
is I don't know how to even Kings Road is
such a cool sort of Melrose place mixed with uh yes, yes, yes,
(34:21):
what's the Rodeo Drive. It's just a fantastic street. So
I'm walking down the street and who comes walking down
the street in the other direction. But her name is Jeanine.
But it was Jeanine, and I was like, oh my,
(34:42):
this this is fate, you know. And I I was oh, hi,
you know, like so anyway, we went and you know,
went and had some coffee and and uh, one thing
led to another, and then you know, I was staying
(35:03):
in this probably is worth probably twenty million dollar house
right off the King's Road, and I took her up
to the house, and one thing led to another.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That was the you know, I just felt for I
felt hard for her, and so I started we started
sleeping together. Now, this was two weeks before my wife
Carlene was coming in to be with me, and she
(35:39):
was coming in at the same time as my parents
were coming in to see me, and she was bringing
my twin boys, who are now forty two, but at
the time they were two, okay or three maybe whatever,
forty years ago whatever it was. Yeah, they were they
were they were yeah, they were like two, and and
(36:04):
I was spending I had ten days before she got there,
and I was spending every single minute with Janine, and
we we just hit it off in every way possible,
listening to music, listening to reading, reading books and poetry
and like, I mean, you know, we were just in love.
(36:26):
I was like totally in love with her. And you know,
I think she had told me that she was in NA,
which is narcotics Anonymous, and that she was she used
to shoot heroin and but you know, I didn't give
(36:49):
a shit. She was like just like fabulous. And but
they got closer to where my wife was coming back
into town with the kids, and my parents were to
show it up and stuff, and you know, the day
finally came where you know, uh, Carlen was, you know,
(37:15):
at the airport and you know, coming in and you
know I'd be meeting her at the apartment and I
literally got out of Janine's bed, you know, and made
that walk because and and as it turns out, Chelsea's
not that huge. It's it didn't turn out to be
like that big of a coincidence. I still looks very coincidental,
but it's, you know, Chelsea the main street. You might
(37:38):
see some of the same people. It's you know. But
so anyway, I go back, uh to meet my wife,
and my wife comes into town with my two kids,
and uh uh my parents were coming in like the
next night. And I'm really bad at just like long
(38:00):
about two women, like lying about I mean, I've done
it enough, but I'm really bad about like like never
really like had an affair behind anybody's back. It's like
everything for me is like just comes out like like
this is you know. So the very first night I
(38:23):
think I was with Carlene, I mean I was with
Devon and Tator's mother. I told I just said to her,
I'm having an affair. I fell in love with this
other girl. And then I don't know what to say.
You know, this is you know, So it might not
(38:44):
have been the first night, might have been the second
night because I wanted to go back. I wanted to
go back to her, and I uh, I uh, you know,
so I told Carlene, and Carlene was get what most
women would do. She said, okay, well, thank you very much,
I'll take the kids, get me a flight. I'm going home.
(39:05):
I want the fuck out of here. You go, do
what you have to do. This kind of thing, she was,
you know, hardcore about it. No like what you know,
it's just like go fuck yourself then see in court.
That kind of like vibe, you know. And and she
took the kids, and uh and and I think by
that time my parents had showed up or whatever. Anyway,
(39:28):
she took the kids, and she was like fucking gone.
She was at gone. And I you know, the moment
she left to get on the bus to take her
to Heathrow, you know, I was like jogging over to
Janine's house to go knock on her door to tell
her like the good news, which was I told my wife, she's, uh, yeah,
(39:56):
she's gone. Now can be me and you you know,
and we're in love and and and all of these
wonderful times that we've had together and uh, you know,
it's it's now, it's great, and you know, so she
was she was happy and hugging and you know, and
so we got back together. We were like, all of
(40:18):
a sudden, we were back together. And that went on
for you know, three or four or five days. I
don't remember the timing exactly, but I do remember seeing
burns on her chest or like spots on her chest.
(40:44):
And I didn't I didn't. I couldn't quite figure it out.
I mean, by this time, we're having sex, see your
body or whatever, and she kind of had burns on
her chest and I thought that was odd. And I
don't know if I asked her about it, she probably
said one thing or the other. And then there seemed
to be some sort of like odd people that would
show up, you know, and she would talk to and
(41:07):
you know, as it turned out, she started using again
after a year of sobriety because maybe because of the
facts that I left her to go be with my wife,
she said, well, fuck this, I'm just going to go
shoot some heroin. I guess once she started.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Using when you were with her, No, no, no, no,
not before.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, it took and even when I got back with her,
it took me. I didn't know anything about heroin.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, No, heroin was never that was always like you
know what, uh, I smoked it once and I thought like, wow,
this is way too fucking good. I never never ever
am going to do this again, because I'll be doing
this the rest of my life for sure. But she
(41:59):
was shooting it and and I, you know, I didn't
quite know what was going on, but but you know,
I was still in love with her, and I still
you know, And I guess what happened is her parents,
who they're all very wealthy people, were living in these great,
great big houses and stuff. I guess her parents had
(42:19):
kind of figured out that she'd started using again, and
they flew in from wherever they were and picked her
up and said, we're taking you back to rehab. And
and that was kind of that. That was pretty much it.
(42:40):
And I found that out. And she the day that
she left, she came, uh. She she asked her parents
if she could drive by Glee Place, which is where
Timmy and I were staying, and and stop and say
goodbye to me. And they're, you know, big beautiful car
pulled up in front of my house. And I got out,
(43:04):
I mean, I left the house, and I walked down
the stairs and I went to say goodbye to her,
and I didn't you know, I didn't. I wasn't smart
enough to go to her father or to her mother,
like to her father, listen, I'm really sorry. I didn't know.
Can I stay in touch? Please tell me, like, can
you just leave me your number? Like I just I
(43:27):
just just didn't, you know, I didn't register. Yeah, yeah,
And you know, there was a tearful goodbye, and she
went in the in the car and I never saw
her again. And then uh two weeks and so then
I was like, Okay, well that's that's that's not that's
(43:49):
that's not that's not very that's not very good. And
then about about two weeks later, I was getting to
be towards the end of the shoot. Two weeks later,
I was I was not used to getting the attention
of like beautiful women. I just you know, I just
(44:10):
I was kind of a good looking young kid. But
like you know, like I said, I wasn't very I
wasn't much of a talker schmoozer. I couldn't like, you know,
I didn't have a line. I you know, I was
very shy about that whole thing. I didn't like I said,
I didn't want to be rejected. But this time, I
know I was with Bill Paxton. And Bill and I
(44:30):
went out and went to the clubs, and then we
decided to have a drink when we on the King's
Road as we were walking home, and so we walked
into the bar and I'm standing at the bar and
I look over and I see this absolutely like stunningly,
(44:53):
stunningly beautiful woman who kind of eyeing me up.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
You know again.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I was like, uh, and you know, kind of looking
at me. And you know how it happens. You look
at her, she looks at you. You look away. She
looked at her, and you look at her. But she
was so beautiful. I just never in my wildest dreams
when I think that I would ever have a chance.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
With with any any any anybody like that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And she, uh said, do you have a light? She
walked and she approached me and she came over and
she said, do you have a light something like that?
And I had matches and I lit her cigarette and
(45:47):
uh yeah, uh and and and she said, are you
the guy that was in the Terminator, the movie The Terminator?
And I said yes, And she said, oh wow. Uh, well,
my boyfriend's coming to pick me up. But I thought
you were really good. And I thought that movie was
(46:10):
really good. And I mean, this girl was like incredibly beautiful,
twenty one years old. And this is after this huge
like love affair that i'd had before, and like two
weeks later, I think this is two weeks later. Yeah,
And so anyway, Bille and I went to finish our
(46:31):
drink and I had, you know, I lit her cigarette
and I said, here, you keep those, and she as
I I was still there, as I was walking out
or she she walked by me and she slipped the
(46:51):
cigarette the matches back into my into my pocket. I
used to wear like these these these coats and yeah suits,
not sports coach type of thing, and slipped that into
my pocket. I didn't even know what it was until
later when I took the matches out and it had
a telephone number on it. You know, I didn't even
(47:13):
at that time. I didn't even know it was in there.
I didn't know she'd even put anything there until like
I got and then there it was. It was her
and her telephone number, and and anyway, I ended up
calling that number because it was very it was very
(47:34):
very uh. She made a very very big impression. And
that turned out to be Kaylin's mother. And so anyway,
we're gonna talk about Jack Leman anyway. Yeah, that's who
(47:59):
the actor was. I was, Uh, yeah, I guess I
kind of wanted to get that out, Jim. You we
wrote this out once? Did that sound pretty much like?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
I recall that that sort of interlude with Janine I
believe her name was. I think her her parents were Iranian. Yeah,
and uh and well to do obviously, because they could,
you know, come and go as they pleased. And uh, yeah,
it was really really kind of a touching story.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Kind of Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, like thar Across loves Yes.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yes, yeah, you really couldn't quite click at any one
time we were both available, right you know. Yeah, And
uh and from what I understand, she wasn't using when
you two were together.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No, no, no, you told her that you.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Were going to go back to your wife. She kind
of you know, tailed off again and fell off again
and started using. And then when you were able to
come back to her and say, hey, my wife, you know,
said we're put and I'm available now. And then you know,
you really couldn't recapture Slender in the grass so to speak.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
You know, that hour was gone, so it was really touching.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
We wrote it up as the you know adndum. We
actually wrote it as kind of an addendum to the
story about Timmy and Full Metal Jacket. Yeah, but yeah,
we did write it up.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
Well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Gina ended up, you know, I I saw her for
I think that this was really towards the last like
a couple of weeks of shooting, and so I saw Gina,
and we saw each other for a couple of weeks,
and then I really fell for her. I just wasn't
used to, like, yeah, something about English girls centered like
(49:45):
you know, because I had a problem was anyway anyway,
So so I really fell for his, uh for for Gina,
And then I went back to America and then immediately
(50:06):
started you know, calling her and having those four hundred
dollars telephone bills.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I remember those days.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And and you know, kind of begging her to come
over and visit me, and she did, and uh.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
I met her in one of those first visits over
after you had done Full Metal Jacket. When wherefore this
would have been in maybe the autumn of eighty six,
sometime around September of eighty six, probably because I don't
think you got married until eighty eight, but I know
it was she had.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Just remember where it was, Jim.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
It was Melio was an Italian restaurant, and Chris Murphy
was there too, and she had just arrived on the plane.
He was jet lagged. But this would have been god
sometime on September August eighty six, I believe.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Gina, and then I think Gina and I.
Gina and I got married at my agent's house, at
Lomanto's house. I'm trying to think of the timing. I'm
not sure where you were married or not. But she
was when I went walked to talk about the Billy
freakin and how crazy billy fre freaking was. She was
(51:25):
around for that, that whole episode of like, Oh the
guy's the greatest singing in the world. Oh my god,
he's out of his fucking mind. That that great. Yeah.
So yeah, no, I was gonna say, Jack Lemon, Joe.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
I wanted to ask too, just because we were talking
about Lords of Discipline and I've seen a lot of
comments online about do you still talk about and you
were talking about reaching out to people to potentially come
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Rick Rossovich Rick but Rick lives in Sweden. Rick would
come on.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
Yeah, we could have like we did Logan.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll I'm sure Rick would would would
love to do it. Yeah. And I always liked Rick.
We always got along very well well. And he was
he was a bear when it came to being on
that say. I mean he was. He was a big, strong,
athletic guy. His older brother played football. Yeah, Kent at
(52:25):
USC tim Rossovich, and tim Rossovich was known at USC
on the football team for being the craziest motherfucker that
ever had ever gone through. But Rick was Rick was.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
Oh yeah, he was. He was an NFL player. He
played NFL seeing Yeah, Timothy John Rossovich.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
He was with the.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Eagles Chargers, Okay, Philadelphia Bell Houston Oilers.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
What do you got? What's his first name? Timothy can't
oh yeah, tim Rossovitch, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and
uh yeah no. He was an intimidating guy. I used
to see him, you know. Once I once I started
doing Lords of Discipline, I started hanging out with like
Rick Rossovich and uh a lot and Bill and I
and Rick were very very close and we used to
(53:19):
hang out quite a bit. But I think Rick would
come on in a heartbeat because Rick was uh. Rick
had quite a film career going uh he uh uh
you know, was in Lords of Discipline. He was one
of the like these stars of it. Uh he had
a much much bigger part than I did. He was
one of the good guys obviously, and uh he he
(53:43):
was very very good in that. And then he did.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Uh a mop Gun.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Well, he did Top Gun and he.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Played Terminator before that.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I mean he was in the Terminator. He's like the
guy who was yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
all of those movies he was in and you know,
doing very well. And then he did the Steve Martin
movie jim where.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
It's based Yeah, it's the it's sort of the modernized
version of Siriano de Berge exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
And here charming movie.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, yes, right, yes, and who directed that, by the way,
Fred Skepsy. Okay, the Australia Australian Yeah, yes. What did
he do in Australia that brought him over?
Speaker 4 (54:36):
He did a movie called The Chanter of Jimmy Blacksmith
by the named Tom Kennealy, who later wrote Schindler's List
the book Schindler's List, but Chanter Jimmy Blacksmith, I think
is based on a real character in Australian history. But
Fred was one of those Australian directors at a time
when Peter Weir and George you know those guys, yeah,
(54:59):
the uh Creamy the crop Wires. Yeah, I mean they
were just cranking out great directors one after another, and
Fred was one of those. He came to this country
and uh he was a client of ours. I c
M and uh, you know, made a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
I think that movie did I think I think that
movie did pretty well. I think it was a pretty
charming movie. And then Rick uh also went off and
did I think Rick went off and did that show Baywatch? Yes,
And I think that something like soured, you know something,
(55:38):
maybe he knew that, like he was going, you know
the BayWa wash hole. You know that's that's you know,
quite a quite a jump to go from Steve Martin
to Baywall. Let let him explain it, if we can,
if we can get him on, get him.
Speaker 6 (55:53):
On the shows.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Now, Well you're talking about Rick watch on his crew it.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Was it was something called Spacific Blue that he described
as Baywatch on bikes.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
You see that, do you see that. Yeah, okay, bay
Watch on bikes Okay, yeah, you know, I you know,
I think it was like you know, cop whatever, you know,
riding around on bikes or shorts on. You never could
really take like cops on bicycles. Yeah yeah, uh yeah, yeah,
(56:39):
we could probably uh get Rick on something something uh something.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
And of course Navy Seals too. I don't know if
you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
That, Navy Seals. Of course he was in Navy Seals.
And uh again what a cast Navy Seals was Dennis
as Bear and and Charlie who was wonderful and built
Paxton and uh there were a number of remind me
to I tell the ghost stories. I tell you that, Jim,
(57:09):
or I haven't said the podcast the Ghost the Ghost Story. Okay, well,
here's the thing. People still want to hear about Navy Seals.
So I I want I can go over Navy Seals
one more time, and there's a bunch of stuff I
want to do it.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
I was hoping to do it like a kind of
almost a full episode, like how you've done with the Abyss.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
We can do that. Yeah, yeah, we can do that.
And uh. One of the interesting things about it was that,
you know, Jim, I always wonder when I was having
those story sessions with a director for a Dian slip.
I can't think of the guy's name. Yea, uh remember
(57:58):
his He had a person there who was basically there
to write and like, try to pump that script up,
and I'll get into the whole what I got offered
and how I got into it, and I'll go through
all that again. But you remember that that right, You
(58:18):
remember that writer's name, Jim. He's the Attack Angel. Yeah,
and he direct He wrote Rudy and Hoosiers. Yeah, so
he he actually was a very good writer, at least
as far as those two sports movies went. And I
don't be interesting to know what with his take on
(58:41):
me coming in saying well, this is crap. This doesn't
make any sense. You know, I don't want to all
fez all these bodies. But we'll leave that. We'll leave
that for leave that for the next hopefully, if if
we start talking about it, I can stay on on
(59:01):
on points. That would be three or four minutes, three
or four minutes. What's the football season start, guys?
Speaker 6 (59:13):
Is that September fourth?
Speaker 2 (59:14):
I think September fourth, though, that's that's always like a
good good thing. It's the worst thing about the Oh
actually yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did uh uh A
super Bowl comes in as embedding uh with Doug Stanhope.
I owe him a telephone call and called, you're.
Speaker 4 (59:36):
Going to do your running.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well, Well, here's the thing about it is he last
the last last year. He can't. He was the very
first guest we ever had in the podcast, and the
reason we got him was because he would be like
nine hundred dollars at the end of the year. And
he went on a streak.
Speaker 5 (59:56):
Well not only that, you guys just pick wins and losses.
Went for a hundred bucks. Ye pick went win, lost
hundred bucks. Loser picks the team for the next week,
and he went for nine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I told him that's like flipping a quarter and getting
it wrong nine times. And that's what happened to him.
And so he came on and he talked about it
when we did our first podcast. It's so lovely. He's
such a funny, fun I really miss him as one
(01:00:28):
of the things I miss about Bisbee, but he's just
so funny, and you know, whenever I text him, he's
always back with some kind Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
But so I was gonna say the next season. So
last year's football season, which is it wasn't a kind
of similar way, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Well, you know, the season ended. It didn't start off
with him being like oh for eight nine. You know,
it didn't start off that way. But at the end
of the season he owed me seven hundred dollars. So
this is and listen, I don't know anything about football.
I mean, I mean, I know I know football, but
I quit watching it when they called the tuck rule
(01:01:10):
on on the Raiders or not on the Raiders on
uh Bradley Tom Brady. Yeah, like I don't know who
they called it on the tuck rule that that that
still I just want to fucking jump up and smash
my foot through the TV set the tuck rule.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Uh but.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Uh yeah, So football season is coming up. He owes
me seven hundred dollars. So I was hoping he would
come out and do another podcast and and I'd say, like,
you know, don't worry about the seven hundred. But I
think he got pretty busy and at one point.
Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
He wanted to go off to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Well yeah, yeah, well a lot to laugh about over there.
Over over in the Ukraine. I heard an interesting take
Jim on kind of the opposite of everything we ever
hear about, you know, Russia and Ukraine. And I heard like,
(01:02:18):
let's just say a point of view that basically talked
about the United States after the Soviet Union broke up,
you know, just you know, getting like NATO and just
like getting it closer and closer and closer and closer
(01:02:38):
to Russia and not kind of thinking that Americans just
kind of thought they could do whatever they wanted, and
it just like just kept pushing and pushing and pushing
to where Putin just felt like, fuck, you know, they're
all around us, and there were opportunities for it wouldn't
have been this leader, but there are opportunities in the past,
(01:03:00):
back in twenty fifteen or fourteen or whenever that war
wasn't Why did why did How did Jim White did?
Why did Obama let Russia just go take Crimea just
(01:03:21):
like Okay, we're gonna go fucking take that part of
Ukraine which is like a really important part, right, Oh yeah,
Why did Why did he do that? Was there any
like a want of choice?
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Did you want to go to war over? And I
think that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
We've certainly gone to war over less stupid or stupid things.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Our European allies also didn't want to go to war
over but they definitely said we will not recognize this.
We still don't, and we put all sorts of sanctions
on Russia at that time. We kick them out of
the G seven, the Group of Seven, which is the
big industrialized major countries of the world. Tried to ostracize
them as most we can, but we had to ask,
(01:04:08):
you know, ask our something we releach you like go
into war over us. And Ukraine wasn't a part of
NATO at that time. It's not still not a part
of NATO, but it's been a NATO country. We have
that Article five that says an attack against one is
an attack against all, which we did use during the
during the nine to eleven situation when they sent NATO
(01:04:29):
sent troops to Afghanistan to help us out over the Yeah, yeah,
they surely, you know. And the one reason that so
many of those countries that had been in the former
Iron Curtain were eager to join NATO is because they
didn't want to face what Ukraine is facing right now
for Putin. They didn't want to see, they didn't want
to have, they didn't want to have Putin come back.
(01:04:51):
They didn't want to have Russians come back and take
over their countries again, so they were eager to get
NATO membership countries like Poland and Hungry and check with
the former Czech Republic.
Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
And now of course that you see some companies like
Sweden and Finland, which were largely neutral or standing on
the content to be sitting on the sidelines or have
joined NATO. So you know, it's not like it's not like,
you know, poor Putin's sitting there and this aggressive NATO
is gobbling up all these countries around him. Now they're
(01:05:27):
in a defensive posture. You know, they're there. Nobody wants Russia. Okay,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I know that. My experiences in Russia were like less
than yeah, fucking pretty horrible. Yeah, I know Russian people
are like just fucking horrible. And you know when they
talk about like, oh, the government and the government, the government,
you know, the people, the ones that I knew, the
ones that I met, the ones that I came into
(01:05:57):
contact with a little bit like Putin, so Jim, I
think our time is up. I wanted to thank you
for uh hanging and not not he could be home
right now, lords of Discipline.
Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
I'm glad we got to talk about Lords of Discipline
in some greater degree than we had previously.
Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah, and we can talk a little bit more about
Frank because I did Kate two with Frank. I always
like the fact that I worked with you.
Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Know, Frank, he was a client of ours that I
see him.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I was putting him up for all kinds of projects
very early on, shortly after he had done Quadrophenia and
before he was signed up for Lords and Discipline, So
I first kind of got to know him at that stage.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
So script Jim, Okay, Jim, we gotta go, we gotta go.
I thank you for discipline. Yeah, okay, I will. I'll
talk to you soon, Jim. And thank you. And should
(01:07:01):
I tell our guests that they should like do anything
like like listen on Spotify.
Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Or subscribing on Spotify and Apple would help us out
a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, say that again.
Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Subscribe on Apple or Spotify or wherever.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
You that would help us. That would help us out.
And that way we'll get really really really good people.
The other I mentioned judge, judge, judge you judge. Yeah, anyway,
we're gonna have some good guests on soon and hopefully
they'll be in studio, but if not, and we'll reach
out to a cross. Okay, all right, Jim, thank you
(01:07:36):
sounds good bye, Safe travelers.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Tell me Strange Pigs, which ham would you choose? To wait?
Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
One? Two?
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Like a beat carried on without shoes?
Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Want you d supers jo Fam
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