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In twenty eighteen, vet CBD helped pass Assembly Bill AB
twenty two fifteen, allowing veterinarians to discuss cannabinoid therapy with clients.
This legislation enabled informed decision making in pet health care,
giving pet owners alternative treatment options with professional guidance. But
the story doesn't end there. In twenty twenty two, VETSBD
(00:22):
continued its advocacy efforts and helped pass Assembly Bill AB
eighteen eighty five, allowing veterinarians to take the next step
and recommend cannabinoid therapeutics when they deem it appropriate for
their patient's health. These legislative wins showcase vetcbd's dedication to
advancing pet health and ensuring access to safe, effective treatments.
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Hello, Hello, I'm your host Maria Caliberson. You're listening to
Just Say No No with a K k an Ow
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on your dial. Today, We've got a fascinating topic to cover,
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pets and cannabis.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Can our furry friends.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Really benefit from the therapeutic properties of cannabis? Kind of
you bet, but don't take it from me. To help
us understand this evolving area, we're going to be joined
by internationally recognized doctor Tim Shoe. Tim is the founder
of vet CBD. Doctor Shue has a wealth of experience
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in veterinarian medicine and a deep understanding of how cannabis
can enhance the lives of our animals, from managing anxiety
and pain to supporting joint health. So if you're a
pet parent like me, curious about natural alternatives, or just
interested in how veterinarian science intersacts with cannabis, this is
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an episode packed with insights you're.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Not gonna want to miss.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
He's been featured on The Today Show and PRCNBC and
in The New York Times. Doctor Shue's passion for animal
health started at a young age, and he's practiced everything
from emergency care to general veterinarian medicine, and I'm really
excited to dive into his knowledge. Welcome, doctor Shue, Thanks
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so much for being here with us today.
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Thanks for having me Maria. I appreciate the kind words.
Glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Jim, no doubt your expertise in veterinarian medicine is extensive,
But I have to say I'm really curious about how
you expanded your knowledge from traditional veterinarian medicine to medical cannabis.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Can you share a bit.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
With us about your journey and how you even came
upon cannabis.
Speaker 9 (05:25):
Yeah, you know, so I saw how well it worked
for people, and for me, it's, uh, it's really interesting
because I was born and raised in Texas, and so
you know, cannabis has, uh, you know, been heavily stigmatized
in Texas, and so you know, growing up, my understanding
and my knowledge of cannabis was that it was something dangerous, right,
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because that's what we saw on TV was that you know,
if you ever smoke a joint, you're you're done for
your you know, you might as well just throw your
life away.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
This is your brain on drugs? Just saying no, no,
no was a four letter work.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Plenty of those commercials growing up, and you know, we
growing up in Texas, we heard about people getting arrested
for you know, just you know, having a joint on them,
and you know, it was just it was a very
scary thing. And then you know, I moved out to
California after I graduated from vetinary school, and you know,
I saw how different of an attitude California's uh perspective
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on cannabis was. And so you know, I took a
deep dive into it and you know, really looked at
the potential therapeutic benefits of cannabis and why it was
working well in people and why you know, states like
California embraced it so much. Because my my perspective, my
my philosophical perspective is that, you know, as healthcare practitioners,
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we really have to explore all therapeutic avenues for our patients, right,
we have to understand the potential of it, and even
if there is no benefit, if there is no potential,
then we have to say that, Okay. We we took
a you know, a very hard look at it, and
you know, we don't think there's potential, but you know,
if you take a very hard look at cannabis, you
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will understand that there is a massive amount of therapeutic potential.
And we're doing our patients and our clients a huge
disservice if we don't advocate for them being able to
access and use cannabis to improve their lives. You know,
whether it's on the human side or the animal side,
we have a moral and ethical obligation to be able
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to advocate to for those patients to be able to
incorporate cannabis into their medical regiment. And so for me,
you know, when I was going when I was in practice,
you know, there's certain kinds of medications that we frequently prescribed,
you know, pretty much on a daily basis. And you know,
some of these medications I would always have to warn
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the owners that you know, signs to watch out for
and potential complications with some of these medications are things
like gi ulcerations, liver damage, kidney dam image, and you
know that that would scare the pet owners, right, you know,
they come in for one thing and now they're concerned
that you know, they got to watch out for something
like you know, kidney damage or liver damage, and so
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you know, for for me, it's important that we look
at all potential modalities and if cannabis can be a
better use for certain cases, then why not allow patients
to be able to utilize that. You know, we certainly
know that, for example, chronic pain can be very difficult
to control, and you know, especially given the current medications
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that are frequently used for chronic pain. But we know
that cannabis can be very very good for chronic pain.
So you know, why let these patients continue to suffer?
Why not use cannabis and allow them to live better lives?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Exactly, I look at me case in point.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I've had four major spinal surgeries dating back to nineteen
eighty seven, which coincidentally was after my first year of
law school, so of US wasn't even on the table
for me. But after my first back surgery, it just
kept failing. And over the years I faced so many complications,
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continuous issues, including what you mentioned GI problems and bleeds.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
GI bleeds associated with nonsteroidal anti inflammatories are responsible for
over one hundred thousand deaths in the US per year.
And you know, at the time medical marijuana that just
wasn't an option for me. It felt like something dangerous.
I ended up relying on speaking of dangerous opioids, anal Jesus,
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non steroidal anti inflammatories, steroids, nerve pain medications. The list
goes on, and we don't have enough time if I
go through the list of all the different medications I
had to take to deal with the side effects that
eventually caught up with me from these pharmaceutical drugs. There
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was such a strong stigma against cannabis that when I
decided to dip my toe in the water, I used
the same logic for myself that I did for my dogs.
Even though I saw that the full spectrum helped my
dogs THC marijuana. I started with an isolate, a CBD isolate,
and as I felt more comfortable, I actually moved to
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a full spectrum, and I even even moved to things
that have a CBDTC ratio that are only available in
legal states at dispensaries. I know I've used it myself
in my pets for managing pain, but I'm also curious
about how it helps with things like anxiety or other
common triggers like loud noises or separation.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
What have you seen in your practice.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
Yeah, that's you know, you hit on one of the
amazing things about cannabis is that it actually has so
many different therapeutic uses, a lot of times seemingly completely
unrelated benefits. You know. So for example, you know, we
have clients that use it for their pets to control
seizures with epilepsy, and then we also have people using
it for chronic pain like you might see with arthritis,
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and then also to control noise anxieties because of all
the fireworks that are going off.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Really interesting, you know, I can say I've seen firsthand
with my older shepherd that cannabis, particularly full spectrum CBD,
helped tremendously. I mean, it's hailed for having shown such
promise in treating a variety of conditions in animals, pain
management being a big one, especially for older pets with
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arthritis or joint issues. Now, a lot of our pet
parent listeners, including myself, we're looking for natural ways to
help our animals, especially as they get older. Why don't
you explain how cannabis work and animals and a little
bit about the different formulations available.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
Yeah, sure, you know, so a lot of questions unpacked there,
but you know, let's just talk about how cannabinoids in
general work within the animal's body. So, you know, cannabinoids
will interact with a number of different receptors that are
all throughout the body, but they will also act with
what's called the endocannabinoid system. And so the endocannabinoid system
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is a bodily system that is intertwined with all other
aspects of our physiology and animals as well. Because the
endocannabinoid system is found throughout the animal kingdom. You know,
it exists in dogs, cats, horses, ferrots, pigs, birds, you
name it. It doesn't exist in insects, but throughout the
animal kingdom, especially all vertebrate animals, it's ubiquitously present. And
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this system consists of the cannabinoid receptors that cannabinoids bind to,
the endocannabinoids that our own bodies produce. So you and I,
you know your dog, we all produce our own cannabinoids
with than our body. And then the third component of
the endocannabinoid system is the enzymes that make and break
down these endocannabinoids. So what cannabinoids will do is they
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interact with this endocannabinoid system and the intercannabinoid receptors to
create therapeutic functions and therapeutic benefits. It also interacts with
other receptors that are not a part of the endocannabinoid
system to help create these therapeutic benefits. So, you know,
CBD is really interesting because it's been listed to interact
with over forty different cellular targets, so not just ones
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within the endocannabinoid system. You know. One example is that
it has been shown to interact with the five H
T one A receptors, which are serotonin receptors, and that's
hypothesized is that that's one way it helps to decrease anxiety.
Going back to your other question about the differences between
you know, all the different plants and products that are
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out there. When we we get down to the basis
of it, it's all cannabis. But you know, there's a
lot of different terminology out there now that gets confusing
to a lot of people. You know, what's marijuana and
what's hemp. The easiest way to understand it is that
you know, hemp is now a legal definition, So hemp
is cannabis plants that are less than point three percent
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THCHC by dry weight. So when you take the actual
plant and you dry it out. If you test it
and it has less than point three percent THHC, then
that can be classified as hemp. If it has more
than point three percent THCHC, then that's technically marijuana, even
though marijuana is an outdated term, and we tend to
use cannabis on the marijuana side, which gets even more confusing.
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But for us as a company, we separate it as
cannabis and hemp, even though technically hemp is cannabis. Our
VET CBD Hemp line available online in non dispensary retail outlets. Now,
when it comes to product formulation, there's a general category
that CBD can be broke. CBD products can be broken
down into that's full spectrum products, broad spectrum products, and isolate.
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So you know, starting with the most simple is what
we call isolate. So CBD isolate is just ninety nine
plus percent pure CBD. So when you're using that in
a formulation, all you're getting is CBD. You're not really
getting any of the other cannabinoids that come from the
cannabis plant, so it's pretty much stripped of everything else
except just CBD. And then on the other end of that,
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you have what we call full spectrum products.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
And we now know that there's approximately over one hundred
and twenty plus different cannabinoids, not just CBD and THC
are only two, but then you've got full spectrum products
which include.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All the other compounds.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Can you explain the difference and why someone might choose
one over the other when it comes to their pets.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Well, it gets a little bit more technical than that.
There's there's been over one hundred and twenty different cannabinoids
that have been identified. Now that's not to say that
every single plant has all one hundred and twenty of
those cannabinoids, because the largest amount of cannabinoids are found
in THHC, CBD, CBG, CBC, cbn, and then the other
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cannabinoids that are found tends to be much much smaller quantities,
if at all. So, for example, you know, there's a
lot of plants out there that are very very high
THHC but have very little in terms of any other cannabinoids.
And then there's other strains out there that can have
a really nice full spectrum whereas they have you know,
a high amount of CBD, they have some THHC, some
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good amounts of CBC and CBG as well. So it
also depends on the strain that you're working with.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Does that CBD hamp for instance, work with any particular
strain or strains.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
We work with a number of different ones. So what
we do is we look at the cannabinoid profile, so
you know, because what we've seen over the years is
that you know, one person calling something blue dream may
be something completely different than what another person calls blue
dream or same thing with ac DC or ringos gift
or you know, Harley Seue. So what we do is
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we look at the cannabinoid profile. So whatever the name is,
we'll test it and take a look at what cannabinoids tests,
so that way we know the actual cannabinoids that we're
working with the just rather than just basing it off
of the string.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And that's how you achieve consistency, which is so important
when it comes to dosing.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
Right. So you know, CBD isolate is on one end,
and then on the other end you have what it's
called full spectrum. And so full spectrum does contain small
amounts of THHC as well as other cannabinoids, usually CBC
and CBG and sometimes CBN. And the reason why this
is important is because there's been a lot of studies,
both pre clinical studies in you know, lab animals in
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petri dishes or test tubes, but also in humans as
well that have shown that when using a full spectrum
product versus an isolate, you actually get greater therapeutic benefits.
You're able to use lower doses, and you can have
fewer side effects than compared to using an isolate. So
that's why we use full spectrum products, because you get
greater therapeutic benefits from a full spectrum product.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I really appreciate your explaining that in that way, doctor Shu.
There's so much stigma around marijuana or THC or what
they're calling now cannabis, which kind of gets under my
skin because I don't think marijuana or THC should be
validated as a dirty word, but okay, cannabis.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And it's easy to get caught up in all of
that stigma.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But then you hear from experts like yourself, and you realize, oh,
there's so much more to the story about THC or
marijuana or cannabis, whatever we're gonna call it. I mean,
THC has been vilified for so long, yet as you
dig deeper, you're going to just find out more and
more about its therapeutic value that it actually offers. On
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the other side, there's all the hype around CBD as
this miracle product with no THC or only trace amounts
or only tiny bits.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And I'll admit I bought in.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I started my dogs on CBD isolate, thinking it was
the safest, the most effective option, and oh, I'm not
going to give them THC right, But it turns out
it wasn't the best choice for them. So learning from
experts about the benefits of full spectrum has been eye
opening for me.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
Yeah, you know, the one of the important things for
people to realize is that you know, THHC is not
purely just used for recreational purposes. In humans, TC does
have medicinal value, so you know, it can be very
good at helping with things like pain, inflammation, nausea, and
appetite loss. There's also some research that shows it potentially
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has anti cancer benefits that hasn't been as well studied,
but certainly for things like pain, inflammation, nausea, and appetite loss,
it can be very beneficial. Now when it comes to
our animal patients, we do have to be more careful
in terms of how much THC were using. So that's
why the formulation whenever there's THHC involved has to be
very careful.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Hey, that makes a lot of sense. But when it
comes to THC specifically, are animals dogs in particular more
sensitive to it? Do they have a hypersensitivity or is
it more about getting the dose that's right? I want
to just verify things that I've read saying THC can
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be more toxic to animals than humans.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So is there any truth to that? And how do
you ensure it's safe?
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Well, so dogs are going to be more sensitive to THHC,
and the reason why is they have a higher concentration
of cb IE receptors in a part of their brain
called their surrebellum. And so you know it's with dogs
you have to make sure that you're using the appropriate
amount of THHC and using it in conjunction with other cannabinoids,
because we know, for example, CBD can counter some of
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the side effects of THHC. You know, for example, like
the anxiety effects of THHC. But interestingly enough, THHC at
very very low doses actually helps to remove anxiety. It's
at higher doses that THHD starts can start to generate anxiety.
And that's just because the way the different receptors function
in different parts of the brain that.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Is so interesting.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I mean, I never even thought about the interaction of
the different cannabinoids until diving in deeper. And when you
talk about the full spectrum and the interaction between the cannabinoids,
the impact that THC has on the CBD, it makes
me think of it's the difference of taking a vitamin
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C supplement which is just vitamin C extracted and purely
vitamin C, right, and the difference between that in an
entire orange, whereas if you eat the entire orange, then
the vitamin C is being combined with and impacted by
all the other phyto nutrients, not to mention all of
the other fido nutrients you're you're receiving. So whole plant
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medicine that includes TC is not the devil's weed. So
I really appreciate the opportunity speaking with experts like yourself,
because what you're saying is is fact based.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And backed by science.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
It seems like the science is getting better, would you say,
with the proliferation of legalization, where we're moving the ball
forward a little bit in that department. I remember, I'm
sure you you remember when it seemed we had to
rely solely on pre clinical data preclinical studies. But from
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whenever I speak to you, I get heartened because it
seems like the information has some more concrete data. Would
you say that's true?
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Yeah? You know what's really interesting is that there has
been a lot of pre clinical research. You know what
that means is in lab animals, you know, feature dishes
and things like that, you know, since the sixties. Now
we are starting to see more clinical trials in humans
and animals as well, now, especially since the twenty eighteen
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farm bill past. Now with increasing legalization, we'll start to
see more and more of these clinical trials that will
start to back up the benefits that we've seen anecdotally
across the board in both humans and animals for the
past few decades.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
That is so exciting and hopeful. So we've covered the
differences between CBD isoland and full spectrum, but what can
still be a bit confusing, at least to me, is
this middle ground.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What exactly is broad spectrum.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I see that term marketed a lot, and it's not
always clear what sets it apart from full spectrum. Or
from isolate, I mean other than some manufacturers are touting. Then,
unlike full spectrum, it has still has TC, but it
has traice amounts that are non detectable in a drug test,
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which is important to humans depending on what state they
live in a job they have. I don't know if
that's a distinction that's as important for animals. But yeah,
what sets it apart broad spectrum from full spectrum.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Yeah, so broad spectrum is essentially the THHC taken out,
so you know broad It's done through a chemical process
in which the THHD is removed out of full spectrum. Now,
a lot of times what happens is when that THHC
gets removed, we see a lot of other of the
other minor cannabinoids like CBC and CBG tend to drop
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out as well. There are some improved techniques out there
now that preserve some of those minorcannabinoids like CBC and CBG,
But generally what happens is broad spectrum is somewhere in
the middle between isolate and full spectrum. What it does
is it strips out some of those cannabinoids like THGC.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I love speaking to you. I learned so much and
it's because you explain things in such a clear, concise,
and easy to understand accessible way, there's no getting lost
in the weeds.
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This legislation enabled informed decision making in pet healthcare, giving
pet owners alternative treatment options with professional guidance. But the
story doesn't end there. In twenty twenty two, vet CBD
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continued its advocacy efforts and helped pass Assembly Bill AB
eighteen eighty five, allowing veterinarians to take the next step
and recommend cannabinoid therapeutics when they deem it appropriate for
their patient's health. These legislative wins showcase vet CBD's dedication
to advancing pet health and ensuring access to safe, effective treatments.
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Stay informed, stay engaged, and together with vet CBD, let's
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You're listening to KSEA ten fifty am one oh six
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the show. Each week, we like to share consumer tips
and insights on how to choose a quality product for
our listeners. So I'd love to ask you what are
some key tips, for instance, that we should keep in
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mind when we're looking at label.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Sure, So you know, one of the things is that
you want to understand who's behind the product, right is it?
Is it veterinarian formulated? Do they have veterinarians on staff
that provide input into the formulation into all the ingredients?
You know? So for us, I formulate all the products
and then We also have vetinary nurses on staff too,
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because for you know, for pet owners, this is something
that is therapeutic. It's meant to improve the quality of
life for their pets, and so being able to get
you know, good customer support when they need it is
one of the most important things for us, and so
that's why we have a team of veterinary nurses on staff,
so that way, when anyone emails us or calls us,
they're able to talk to veterinary professionals, and you know,
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if they want to talk to me, I'm more than
happy to talk to them. I call call owners all
the time just to you know, educate them about cannabinoids. So,
you know, being able to understand the formulation process and
the customer support processes something that's really important, but also
being able to access things like a certificate of analysis
because what a lot of studies have actually shown over
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the years is that because CBD on the hemp side
is not very regulated, and so what that means is
that there's no testing requirements.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Testing requirements on the CBD hemp.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Side, right on the cannabis side, it's very very different
for it.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Do you think that will change anytime soon?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
I think so, but you know, it really remains to
be seen. It's a big question. But we know that
on the cannabis side of things, it's a complete difference,
you know. So just to give you an example, on
the cannabis side of things, what we do is, uh,
we do more than what's required. So basically in terms
of what's required for every cannabis product in California is
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the final batches have to be tested for potency so
that whatever's on the label is accurately reflected in the product,
and then also has to be tested for heavy metals, pesticides, solvents,
microbials like E. Coli and salmonella, and also mycotoxins. And
what we do is we go a step beyond that.
We do a triple testing procedure, so we also test
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the raw ingredients that we use, so the cannabis extract,
the organic extravergin olive oil that we use, we test
all those for things like pesticides, microbial solvents, and heavy
metals to make sure that we're only dealing with clean material.
And then during the manufacturing process, we'll do a potency
check on it to make sure that whatever is being
produced is actually what's going to match up on the label,
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and then once everything's bashed up and finalized, then it'll
go for that final compliance test, which means again it'll
get tested for potency, heavy metals, microbials, solvents, pesticides, and micotoxins.
So we test over and over and over to make
sure that we get clean, safe, consistent product. And we
do this on the hemp side as well. We've taken
our sop from the cannabis side of things and implement
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it on the hemp side of things, so that way
we go in above and beyond to make sure that
again we're only dealing with clean, safe, consistent material.
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Speaker 5 (31:02):
A label that reflects and backs with testing and good
manufacturing practices. The purity and the potency of the product.
You want to be able to discern that if it
says it has this much CBD in it, it has
that much CBD in it, and that if it says
it has this much thc in it, it has truly
(31:26):
only that much or at least that much. And we
don't want to be having pesticides of microbioles, and so
you want to see that it's been tested for contaminants.
All right, well, Tim, honestly it sounds like the manufacturing
and testing practices that ved CBD hempen ploys. I don't
(31:49):
think the organic strawberries I would pass, just saying right.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Exactly, yeah, and then the license regulated cannabis markets that
those cannabis products are tested and regulated and are cleaner
than the food and the water that we drink every day.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Cannabis is a vital adjunct therapy, sometimes even a better
option when Western medicine runs out of options. That said,
we do have to consider the potential side effects. Have
you seen anything clinically concerning with cannabis use in animals,
you know, aside from the risks of overdoing it with THEDC.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Yeah, so you know, you know, CBD is not completely
side effect free. Now, fortunately, the potential side effects of
CBD are very very mild, you know, and this can
happen for humans and animals as well. So side effects
of CBD are gi upse it. So you know, they
can't have diarrhea or soft stools. They can also get
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sleepy or or feel fatigued. So you know, now when
you compare that side effect profile to a lot of
the other side effect profiles of common medications. Like you
had mentioned before, you know, from a clinicians perspective, that
is far far safer than a lot of the traditional
pharmaceuticals that we tend to utilize on a daily basis.
(33:14):
But you know that's something to be aware of, is
that you know, CBD can have these potential side effects
even though they tend to be mild and are fairly negligible.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So relatively mild and negligible compared to some of the
side effects associated with the pharmaceutical alternatives to treat the
same ailments. All right, now we're ready for one of
my favorite segments. We're going to grow our now everybody
with our expert, doctor Tim Shoe. So, Tim, we've talked
about potential side effects. We've talked about dosing. Now, prior
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to the proliferation of more scientific research, there's been a
lot of this information has been based on anecdotal evidence.
So what is the science saying, What is the research saying? Right?
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Right, Yeah, So dosing is something that's really important, and
that's why for dosing we always tell people to start
low and then gradually work their way based on the
clinical signs or based on the response that they're seeing
because the dose is actually going to vary from patient
to patient and for use to use. So we send
some interesting cases where you know, we have two dogs
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that are about the same size that are using it
for the same condition, but the amount that they're using
is different. You know, one may need it only once
a day, one may need it twice a day. And
some of the studies out there that have shown differences
in terms of absorption rates. So for example, it's really
interesting there was one study that showed that there was
dogs that, you know, even though they got the same dose,
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some dogs had five times the absorption rate that other
dogs did. And so this just goes to show you
that the dosing needs to be done on an individualized basis.
We have general guidelines that go by body weight, but
what we always tell people is start at a lower
level and then gradually increase dose until you're seeing the
optimal benefits from it. So, you know, the key that
we're aiming for is we're trying to use the lowest
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dose that provides the maximum benefits.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
What I really appreciate about your approach to dosing is
you're honest. We start low and go slow, start low
see what your dog tolerates, even in yourself, and then
gradually increase as tolerated to the desired effect. That's fantastic
and even a lot of the data is showing that
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this is individualized medicine. What works and one dog doesn't
work in another psycho humaine. Some people are super sensitive
to medication, other people it doesn't hit them as hard.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Did you want to talk about some of the other
uses of cannabis?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yes, oh good, you have time.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
On your packaging, it mentioned that your product supports normal
brain function. It also touched on its use for dogs
with epilepsines seizures. When I first saw the normal brain
function indication, I didn't immediately connect that to those specific conditions.
(36:10):
It seems like you have general claims about supporting mobility,
brain function, and GI health, but can you just elaborate
on how your product specifically addresses conditions like seizures and epilepsy.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Yeah, so you know. This is one of the most
common questions is what can cannabis be used for? Right,
Because people are familiar with cannabis use recreationally in humans,
but even in terms of medical uses for cannabis and humans,
people don't really know that much about it, much less
so when it comes to animals. So one of the
most common questions is what can cannabis be used for
(36:47):
in animals? And so I got this question so much
I came up with an acronym to help people remember
more easily.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And so the.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Acronym is pains so spelled pai ns and what it
stands for as it stands for pain, anxiety, inflammation, nausea,
and appetite loss and seizures. So that's not to say
that those are the only things that cannabis can be
used for, but those are the most commonly seen ailments
that cannabis is able to benefit.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
An appetite loss, that's one I didn't even realize cannabis
could be used for. But it actually ties to the
Compassion Care Act when medicinal marijuana went online in California
due to the appetite loss caused by chemotherapy and aids
victims were suffering from.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So it makes total sense.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I have to say though, when our senior dog was
facing that issue, full spectrum was the only thing that
had helped me.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
But I want to caution listeners. My point of.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Entry was the CBD isolate and that didn't work. Don't
give up. Don't give up, and don't be intimidated by
the broader of the full spectrum. At the time, for me,
broad and full spectrum products weren't even available online or
in retail stores. You had to go to a dispensary,
and oh my god, I found that so intimidating.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Everyone should have the the pleasure of going into a
license dispensary. A lot of people have this, you know,
this older notion of what a dispensary is.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I went to my first dispensary.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
It was very disarmenting, and that's not comfortable.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
My body was reacting.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Gosh, I no one I know sees me and oh
should I be doing this?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And oh my god, you've got the armed guard, you're
giving your ID.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Oh they don't take credit cards at the ATM, the
funky looking ATM machine in the corner. And then you
get past all of that and you're in a very
nurturing environment. It's like an old apoth carry not the
corporate CVS environment.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
But I felt that a loss. What's an eighth How
do you even order it? Would you like to spell this?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It was all it was very.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Wellard but in a legal marketplace. I mean, these dispensers
some of the most gorgeous storefronts that you've seen. So
I do encourage everyone to visit their local dispensary. You know,
a lot of people put a lot of time and
effort and they put their heart into it, and you know,
it's the cannabis community is a wonderful community, and the
license dispensaries are just beautiful dispensaries.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Yeah, they are like apple stores. Do you provide support
and education for the bud tenders?
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Right right? Yeah, So staff training is something that we
really focus heavily on.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Nice. Nice.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's very important to choose and support dispensaries that work
with brands and manufacturers who offer the education and support
to their staff.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Good. Good.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Now you have a hemp line available online and in
retail stores, also available at greenbee.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Life dot com.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
On the hemp side of things, we are also doing
full spectrum, but the amount of THHC is less, so,
you know, because of the way the hemp plant grows,
because of the way you know, the cannabinoids are extracted,
so it does have small, small amounts of THHC in there.
But our hemp line is available online at at CBD
hemp dot com and then also through non dispensary retailers
(40:30):
as well.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That's great that the hemp line is available online and
in accordance with the farm bill. At least at this
point in time they're allowing online and in retail space
is hemp that has up too point three percent THC.
We're dealing with rules and regulations, but now the full
(40:54):
spectrum hemp derived CBD products online that are more CBD
to THC sometimes work as well, So you have to
check it out for yourselves. And that's why I think
it's really important we build a community where we can
gather anecdotal evidence and share it. Hearing people share their
(41:15):
experiences with different products and ratios and their various applications
is invaluable. For example, case, I had no idea that
your product could help with anxiety during loud noises. I
had it sitting on my counter for joint pain for
my older German shepherd and never thought to try it
(41:37):
for the purpose of the anxiety loud noises caused in her.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
So, speaking of loud noises.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Fireworks, for instance, do you have any general tips for
pet owners on how to keep their pets safe during
loud noises if their dog's anxiety is triggered and they.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Tend to dash for the door.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Besides using CBD or cannabis, what advice do you have?
This is an important topic for think for things like
micro chipping in case pets get anxious and want to
run away.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Yeah, so that's you know, that's that's something that's really
really important is that July fifth is actually the busiest
time of year for animal shelters. And the reason why
is because the night before all the animals are trying
to run away from the fireworks noise, and so July
fifth tends to be the busiest time of year. And so,
you know, one of the most important things is to
make sure that you know things like your your fences
(42:32):
and your gates and your doors are secured. And then
also to make sure that you have proper identification on
your pets and whether that's in the form of you know,
tags and collars or microchip so that that way they
have your information and your address and their your phone number,
so that that way you know, if your pet does
get out and they are able to pick up your pet,
they can at least you know, find out who the
(42:54):
right owner is and get your pet back to you. So,
you know, those things are very very important. You know,
other things that you can do is also you know,
things like behavioral modification, positive reinforcement. I think one thing
that's really important is to understand the animal's mentality. A
lot of times when people see that their their pets
are afraid, they will tend to you know, talk to
(43:17):
them in a in a really soothing voice, and then
they tend to try to give them treats to to
calm them or relax them. But this can actually have
the reverse effect because in essence, what they might be
thinking is that you're rewarding them for that fearful behavior.
And so what I would encourage people to do is
you talk to a vetary behaviorist.
Speaker 11 (43:39):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (43:39):
There are actually board certify veterinary behaviorists out there that
deal with you know, all kinds of behavior issues, especially
with noise anxiety, to help them understand, uh, you know,
the steps that they can do to help their pet
be a little bit less afraid of things like you know, fireworks,
loud noises and things like that. But just to just
to kind of help people under I want to understand,
(44:02):
you know what effective positive reinforcement.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Looks like that's true.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
A lot of van errands may not fully understand animal
behavior or take.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
A holistic approach like you do.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
We went to an animal behavior as to recommend it
desensitizing our dog that was terrified of loud noises by
exposing her, gradually rewarding her tolerance along the way. It
was comforting to positively reinforce her when she was freaking
out to us, but very counterproductive for her. So, like cannabis,
(44:38):
low and slow, tim, I could talk to you forever,
but we're going to have to wrap. Before we wrap, though,
one very important thing.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
We have a legal updates.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Section, and I wanted to talk to you about the legality.
I mean, can I get CBD for my pets from
my veterinarian? So can you touch on the political landscape
surrounding the issue and what veterinarians can or cannot do.
It seems like there's been a lot of oversights in
(45:09):
the legislation where in medical marijuana states, privileges afforded to
physicians or osteopaths that apply to humans just weren't thought
about in the legislation to apply to animals.
Speaker 9 (45:24):
Yeah, you know, it's a it's a tricky issue about
where you know, cannabis and hemp are in terms of
the animal side of things. You know, human physicians have
you know, more protection. But in California we are leading
the country in terms of allowing vets to take part
in the in the picture. So in twenty eighteen, AB
(45:47):
two two one five got passed in California and what
that allowed for is allowed for veterinarians to be able
to discuss cannabis with their clients. The issue with it
is that it didn't allow for recommendation with their clients. Now, granted,
it's a term of art, and in the term in
the in the law, it actually means a written recommendation
(46:10):
the way that the physicians would write for their clients.
But you know, unfortunately, the way that it's interpreted, many
have interpreted it to mean that, you know, they can't
even verbally recommend cannabis. And so that's another bill that
we're working on which will actually allow for veternarians to
make recommendations in terms of cannabis products, and so that
(46:32):
will help complete the picture, and that will really help
California lead the country and really, quite frankly, the world
in terms of the integration of veterinarians into connabinoid therapeutics.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Leading the world in terms of the integration of veterinarians
into cannabinoid therapeutics is crucial and indeed on the path
you are forging. Did you know that CBD lead the
way in California's progressive pet health care legislation?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
In twenty eighteen, vet CBD helped pass Assembly Bill AB
twenty two fifteen, allowing veterinarians to discuss cannabinoid therapy with clients.
This legislation enabled informed decision making in pet health care,
giving pet owners alternative treatment options with professional guidance. But
the story doesn't end there. In twenty twenty two, VETSBD
(47:27):
continued its advocacy efforts and helped pass Assembly Bill AB
eighteen eighty five, allowing veterinarians to take the next step
and recommend cannabinoid therapeutics when they deem it appropriate for
their patient's health. These legislative wins showcase vetcbd's dedication to
advancing pet health and ensuring access to safe, effective treatments.
(47:49):
Stay informed, stay engaged, and together with VETZBD, let's continue
to advocate for the best possible care for our beloved pets.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
We just thank you so much, and it's just for
anyone interested in becoming involved in supporting these efforts, please
go to greenby life dot com. We have plenty of
advocacy materials and we'll keep you up to date on
what's happening in the world with veatinarians and how you
could be involved in your state. I say it again
(48:28):
and again, it's so important to know the issues, know
how they impact you, so that you're voting based on
your value system, not against what will work for you.
Speaker 9 (48:39):
Well, appreciate your support and glad you're finding comfort for
yourself as well.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
We have it backwards. We're using end of life drugs morphine, adavan,
narco opioids to deal with chronic conditions that sometimes their
onset is in people like when it happened for me,
it was in my early twenties. It's not sustainable, so
(49:05):
it's it's it's just backwards. Cannabis to deal with chronic conditions,
especially when they're onset is at an earlier age, is
a godsend for many people. But understanding that this is
it is a medicine plant and it's individualized medicine. We've
(49:26):
We've touched on so many great topics today, Tim, is
there anything else though that you'd like to add that
we didn't discuss.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I'm sure this is just the beginning.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
We could easily do a whole series of interviews with you,
and I know you'll be back.
Speaker 9 (49:41):
Yeah. I think we covered a lot and if anyone
has any further questions, you know, like I said, we
have veterinary nurses on staff, so you can always email
us info at VETCBD dot com. You can always call
us five six two seventy five four three seven one
three more than happy to talk to you. Pet owners.
Sometimes we talk to their veterinarians because their veterinarians want
(50:04):
a little bit more clarification on cannabis and CBD and HEMP.
The other thing that I also offer is I have
a one and a half hour continue education webinar for
veterinarians and registered veterinary technicians, so that that way they
can learn about cannabis, the clinical applications of cannabis and
they can actually get continued education credit for it as well.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Are you finding veterinarians open to it, embracing it?
Speaker 9 (50:28):
Yeah, because you know it's really interesting. They're they're seeing
their clients come in and talk to them about how cannabis,
about how CBD has been beneficial for their pets. Seeing
is believing, right, So when they see that for themselves,
you know, then they become really curious and you want
to learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
That's exactly right. That's what happened for me.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
And I've not encountered as many medical doctors who are
as open or willing to discuss cannabis as veterinarians are.
It's interesting, especially considering that we're in a where it
began legally medicinally all the way back in nineteen ninety six,
but there's still a fear a divide. It's still federally prohibited.
(51:10):
But it's encouraging because pets can serve as a gateway
for their owners, their veterinarians to learn more about cannabis.
For me, my journey with cannabis began with my dog.
It changed my life. I started an entire platform, greenbeelife
dot com to connect experts with listeners with innovative brands.
Speaker 9 (51:35):
Yeah, and we've seen that. We've seen actually see pet
owners initially utilized cannabis for their pets and they said,
you know what, I mean, I have some of these
same symptoms too, or my family members have some of
these same symptoms too. And you know, we see that
cannabis can be very beneficial and it's not you know,
just you know, snake oil or you know, we're not
(51:56):
just making this up. And you know, so they see
the proof is in the pudding, and they see how
well works for the pets, and then they start using
it for themselves to improve their own lives.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
Thank you so much for joining us today, doctor Shoe.
We appreciate your sharing your insights and look forward to
changing the way the world sees green one conversation at
a time. We're looking forward to having you back.
Speaker 9 (52:19):
Thanks for having me, Maria, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of
Just Saying No, That's No with a K with me,
your host, Maria Calbery. So I really hope you found
my conversation with veterinarian doctor Tim Shoe about pets and
cannabis and enlightening and empowering. Remember, knowledge is key when
it comes to the health and wellbeing of our furry friends.
If you have any questions or topics you'd like us
(52:44):
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to me personally. Until next time, Take care and give
your pets and yourselves some extra love.
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All right, now that we have our hamp oil, we're
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able to find a reasonable consensus and tapped into my
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Speaker 3 (57:51):
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on your dial. Today, We've got a fascinating topic to cover,
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pets and cannabis.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Can our furry friends.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Really benefit from the therapeutic properties of cannabis? Kind of
you bet, but don't take it from me. To help
us understand this evolving area, we're going to be joined
by internationally recognized doctor Tim Shoe. Tim is the founder
of vet CBD. Doctor Shue has a wealth of experience
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in veterinarian medicine and a deep understanding of how cannabis
can enhance the lives of our animals, from managing anxiety
and pain to supporting joint health. So if you're a
pet parent like me, curious about natural alternatives, or just
interested in how veterinarian science intersacts with cannabis, this is
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an episode packed with insights you're.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Not gonna want to miss.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
He's been featured on The Today Show and PRCNBC and
in The New York Times. Doctor Shue's passion for animal
health started at a young age, and he's practiced everything
from emergency care to general veterinarian medicine, and I'm really
excited to dive into his knowledge. Welcome, doctor Shue, Thanks
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so much for being here with us today.
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Thanks for having me Maria. I appreciate the kind words.
Glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Jim, no doubt your expertise in veterinarian medicine is extensive,
But I have to say I'm really curious about how
you expanded your knowledge from traditional veterinarian medicine to medical cannabis.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Can you share a bit.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
With us about your journey and how you even came
upon cannabis.
Speaker 9 (05:25):
Yeah, you know, so I saw how well it worked
for people, and for me, it's, uh, it's really interesting
because I was born and raised in Texas, and so
you know, cannabis has, uh, you know, been heavily stigmatized
in Texas, and so you know, growing up, my understanding
and my knowledge of cannabis was that it was something dangerous, right,
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because that's what we saw on TV was that you know,
if you ever smoke a joint, you're you're done for
your you know, you might as well just throw your
life away.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
This is your brain on drugs? Just saying no, no,
no was a four letter work.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Plenty of those commercials growing up, and you know, we
growing up in Texas, we heard about people getting arrested
for you know, just you know, having a joint on them,
and you know, it was just it was a very
scary thing. And then you know, I moved out to
California after I graduated from vetinary school, and you know,
I saw how different of an attitude California's uh perspective
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on cannabis was. And so you know, I took a
deep dive into it and you know, really looked at
the potential therapeutic benefits of cannabis and why it was
working well in people and why you know, states like
California embraced it so much. Because my my perspective, my
my philosophical perspective is that, you know, as healthcare practitioners,
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we really have to explore all therapeutic avenues for our patients, right,
we have to understand the potential of it, and even
if there is no benefit, if there is no potential,
then we have to say that, Okay. We we took
a you know, a very hard look at it, and
you know, we don't think there's potential, but you know,
if you take a very hard look at cannabis, you
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will understand that there is a massive amount of therapeutic potential.
And we're doing our patients and our clients a huge
disservice if we don't advocate for them being able to
access and use cannabis to improve their lives. You know,
whether it's on the human side or the animal side,
we have a moral and ethical obligation to be able
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to advocate to for those patients to be able to
incorporate cannabis into their medical regiment. And so for me,
you know, when I was going when I was in practice,
you know, there's certain kinds of medications that we frequently prescribed,
you know, pretty much on a daily basis. And you know,
some of these medications I would always have to warn
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the owners that you know, signs to watch out for
and potential complications with some of these medications are things
like gi ulcerations, liver damage, kidney dam image, and you
know that that would scare the pet owners, right, you know,
they come in for one thing and now they're concerned
that you know, they got to watch out for something
like you know, kidney damage or liver damage, and so
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you know, for for me, it's important that we look
at all potential modalities and if cannabis can be a
better use for certain cases, then why not allow patients
to be able to utilize that. You know, we certainly
know that, for example, chronic pain can be very difficult
to control, and you know, especially given the current medications
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that are frequently used for chronic pain. But we know
that cannabis can be very very good for chronic pain.
So you know, why let these patients continue to suffer?
Why not use cannabis and allow them to live better lives?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Exactly, I look at me case in point.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I've had four major spinal surgeries dating back to nineteen
eighty seven, which coincidentally was after my first year of
law school, so of US wasn't even on the table
for me. But after my first back surgery, it just
kept failing. And over the years I faced so many complications,
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continuous issues, including what you mentioned GI problems and bleeds.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
GI bleeds associated with nonsteroidal anti inflammatories are responsible for
over one hundred thousand deaths in the US per year.
And you know, at the time medical marijuana that just
wasn't an option for me. It felt like something dangerous.
I ended up relying on speaking of dangerous opioids, anal Jesus,
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non steroidal anti inflammatories, steroids, nerve pain medications. The list
goes on, and we don't have enough time if I
go through the list of all the different medications I
had to take to deal with the side effects that
eventually caught up with me from these pharmaceutical drugs. There
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was such a strong stigma against cannabis that when I
decided to dip my toe in the water, I used
the same logic for myself that I did for my dogs.
Even though I saw that the full spectrum helped my
dogs THC marijuana. I started with an isolate, a CBD isolate,
and as I felt more comfortable, I actually moved to
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a full spectrum, and I even even moved to things
that have a CBDTC ratio that are only available in
legal states at dispensaries. I know I've used it myself
in my pets for managing pain, but I'm also curious
about how it helps with things like anxiety or other
common triggers like loud noises or separation.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
What have you seen in your practice.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
Yeah, that's you know, you hit on one of the
amazing things about cannabis is that it actually has so
many different therapeutic uses, a lot of times seemingly completely
unrelated benefits. You know. So for example, you know, we
have clients that use it for their pets to control
seizures with epilepsy, and then we also have people using
it for chronic pain like you might see with arthritis,
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and then also to control noise anxieties because of all
the fireworks that are going off.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Really interesting, you know, I can say I've seen firsthand
with my older shepherd that cannabis, particularly full spectrum CBD,
helped tremendously. I mean, it's hailed for having shown such
promise in treating a variety of conditions in animals, pain
management being a big one, especially for older pets with
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arthritis or joint issues. Now, a lot of our pet
parent listeners, including myself, we're looking for natural ways to
help our animals, especially as they get older. Why don't
you explain how cannabis work and animals and a little
bit about the different formulations available.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
Yeah, sure, you know, so a lot of questions unpacked there,
but you know, let's just talk about how cannabinoids in
general work within the animal's body. So, you know, cannabinoids
will interact with a number of different receptors that are
all throughout the body, but they will also act with
what's called the endocannabinoid system. And so the endocannabinoid system
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is a bodily system that is intertwined with all other
aspects of our physiology and animals as well. Because the
endocannabinoid system is found throughout the animal kingdom. You know,
it exists in dogs, cats, horses, ferrots, pigs, birds, you
name it. It doesn't exist in insects, but throughout the
animal kingdom, especially all vertebrate animals, it's ubiquitously present. And
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this system consists of the cannabinoid receptors that cannabinoids bind to,
the endocannabinoids that our own bodies produce. So you and I,
you know your dog, we all produce our own cannabinoids
with than our body. And then the third component of
the endocannabinoid system is the enzymes that make and break
down these endocannabinoids. So what cannabinoids will do is they
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interact with this endocannabinoid system and the intercannabinoid receptors to
create therapeutic functions and therapeutic benefits. It also interacts with
other receptors that are not a part of the endocannabinoid
system to help create these therapeutic benefits. So, you know,
CBD is really interesting because it's been listed to interact
with over forty different cellular targets, so not just ones
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within the endocannabinoid system. You know. One example is that
it has been shown to interact with the five H
T one A receptors, which are serotonin receptors, and that's
hypothesized is that that's one way it helps to decrease anxiety.
Going back to your other question about the differences between
you know, all the different plants and products that are
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out there. When we we get down to the basis
of it, it's all cannabis. But you know, there's a
lot of different terminology out there now that gets confusing
to a lot of people. You know, what's marijuana and
what's hemp. The easiest way to understand it is that
you know, hemp is now a legal definition, So hemp
is cannabis plants that are less than point three percent
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THCHC by dry weight. So when you take the actual
plant and you dry it out. If you test it
and it has less than point three percent THHC, then
that can be classified as hemp. If it has more
than point three percent THCHC, then that's technically marijuana, even
though marijuana is an outdated term, and we tend to
use cannabis on the marijuana side, which gets even more confusing.
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But for us as a company, we separate it as
cannabis and hemp, even though technically hemp is cannabis. Our
VET CBD Hemp line available online in non dispensary retail outlets. Now,
when it comes to product formulation, there's a general category
that CBD can be broke. CBD products can be broken
down into that's full spectrum products, broad spectrum products, and isolate.
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So you know, starting with the most simple is what
we call isolate. So CBD isolate is just ninety nine
plus percent pure CBD. So when you're using that in
a formulation, all you're getting is CBD. You're not really
getting any of the other cannabinoids that come from the
cannabis plant, so it's pretty much stripped of everything else
except just CBD. And then on the other end of that,
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you have what we call full spectrum products.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
And we now know that there's approximately over one hundred
and twenty plus different cannabinoids, not just CBD and THC
are only two, but then you've got full spectrum products
which include.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All the other compounds.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Can you explain the difference and why someone might choose
one over the other when it comes to their pets.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Well, it gets a little bit more technical than that.
There's there's been over one hundred and twenty different cannabinoids
that have been identified. Now that's not to say that
every single plant has all one hundred and twenty of
those cannabinoids, because the largest amount of cannabinoids are found
in THHC, CBD, CBG, CBC, cbn, and then the other
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cannabinoids that are found tends to be much much smaller quantities,
if at all. So, for example, you know, there's a
lot of plants out there that are very very high
THHC but have very little in terms of any other cannabinoids.
And then there's other strains out there that can have
a really nice full spectrum whereas they have you know,
a high amount of CBD, they have some THHC, some
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good amounts of CBC and CBG as well. So it
also depends on the strain that you're working with.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Does that CBD hamp for instance, work with any particular
strain or strains.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
We work with a number of different ones. So what
we do is we look at the cannabinoid profile, so
you know, because what we've seen over the years is
that you know, one person calling something blue dream may
be something completely different than what another person calls blue
dream or same thing with ac DC or ringos gift
or you know, Harley Seue. So what we do is
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we look at the cannabinoid profile. So whatever the name is,
we'll test it and take a look at what cannabinoids tests,
so that way we know the actual cannabinoids that we're
working with the just rather than just basing it off
of the string.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And that's how you achieve consistency, which is so important
when it comes to dosing.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
Right. So you know, CBD isolate is on one end,
and then on the other end you have what it's
called full spectrum. And so full spectrum does contain small
amounts of THHC as well as other cannabinoids, usually CBC
and CBG and sometimes CBN. And the reason why this
is important is because there's been a lot of studies,
both pre clinical studies in you know, lab animals in
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petri dishes or test tubes, but also in humans as
well that have shown that when using a full spectrum
product versus an isolate, you actually get greater therapeutic benefits.
You're able to use lower doses, and you can have
fewer side effects than compared to using an isolate. So
that's why we use full spectrum products, because you get
greater therapeutic benefits from a full spectrum product.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I really appreciate your explaining that in that way, doctor Shu.
There's so much stigma around marijuana or THC or what
they're calling now cannabis, which kind of gets under my
skin because I don't think marijuana or THC should be
validated as a dirty word, but okay, cannabis.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And it's easy to get caught up in all of
that stigma.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But then you hear from experts like yourself, and you realize, oh,
there's so much more to the story about THC or
marijuana or cannabis, whatever we're gonna call it. I mean,
THC has been vilified for so long, yet as you
dig deeper, you're going to just find out more and
more about its therapeutic value that it actually offers. On
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the other side, there's all the hype around CBD as
this miracle product with no THC or only trace amounts
or only tiny bits.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And I'll admit I bought in.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I started my dogs on CBD isolate, thinking it was
the safest, the most effective option, and oh, I'm not
going to give them THC right, But it turns out
it wasn't the best choice for them. So learning from
experts about the benefits of full spectrum has been eye
opening for me.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
Yeah, you know, the one of the important things for
people to realize is that you know, THHC is not
purely just used for recreational purposes. In humans, TC does
have medicinal value, so you know, it can be very
good at helping with things like pain, inflammation, nausea, and
appetite loss. There's also some research that shows it potentially
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has anti cancer benefits that hasn't been as well studied,
but certainly for things like pain, inflammation, nausea, and appetite loss,
it can be very beneficial. Now when it comes to
our animal patients, we do have to be more careful
in terms of how much THC were using. So that's
why the formulation whenever there's THHC involved has to be
very careful.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Hey, that makes a lot of sense. But when it
comes to THC specifically, are animals dogs in particular more
sensitive to it? Do they have a hypersensitivity or is
it more about getting the dose that's right? I want
to just verify things that I've read saying THC can
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be more toxic to animals than humans.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So is there any truth to that? And how do
you ensure it's safe?
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Well, so dogs are going to be more sensitive to THHC,
and the reason why is they have a higher concentration
of cb IE receptors in a part of their brain
called their surrebellum. And so you know it's with dogs
you have to make sure that you're using the appropriate
amount of THHC and using it in conjunction with other cannabinoids,
because we know, for example, CBD can counter some of
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the side effects of THHC. You know, for example, like
the anxiety effects of THHC. But interestingly enough, THHC at
very very low doses actually helps to remove anxiety. It's
at higher doses that THHD starts can start to generate anxiety.
And that's just because the way the different receptors function
in different parts of the brain that.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Is so interesting.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I mean, I never even thought about the interaction of
the different cannabinoids until diving in deeper. And when you
talk about the full spectrum and the interaction between the cannabinoids,
the impact that THC has on the CBD, it makes
me think of it's the difference of taking a vitamin
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C supplement which is just vitamin C extracted and purely
vitamin C, right, and the difference between that in an
entire orange, whereas if you eat the entire orange, then
the vitamin C is being combined with and impacted by
all the other phyto nutrients, not to mention all of
the other fido nutrients you're you're receiving. So whole plant
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medicine that includes TC is not the devil's weed. So
I really appreciate the opportunity speaking with experts like yourself,
because what you're saying is is fact based.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And backed by science.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
It seems like the science is getting better, would you say,
with the proliferation of legalization, where we're moving the ball
forward a little bit in that department. I remember, I'm
sure you you remember when it seemed we had to
rely solely on pre clinical data preclinical studies. But from
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whenever I speak to you, I get heartened because it
seems like the information has some more concrete data. Would
you say that's true?
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Yeah? You know what's really interesting is that there has
been a lot of pre clinical research. You know what
that means is in lab animals, you know, feature dishes
and things like that, you know, since the sixties. Now
we are starting to see more clinical trials in humans
and animals as well, now, especially since the twenty eighteen
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farm bill past. Now with increasing legalization, we'll start to
see more and more of these clinical trials that will
start to back up the benefits that we've seen anecdotally
across the board in both humans and animals for the
past few decades.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
That is so exciting and hopeful. So we've covered the
differences between CBD isoland and full spectrum, but what can
still be a bit confusing, at least to me, is
this middle ground.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What exactly is broad spectrum.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I see that term marketed a lot, and it's not
always clear what sets it apart from full spectrum. Or
from isolate, I mean other than some manufacturers are touting. Then,
unlike full spectrum, it has still has TC, but it
has traice amounts that are non detectable in a drug test,
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which is important to humans depending on what state they
live in a job they have. I don't know if
that's a distinction that's as important for animals. But yeah,
what sets it apart broad spectrum from full spectrum.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Yeah, so broad spectrum is essentially the THHC taken out,
so you know broad It's done through a chemical process
in which the THHD is removed out of full spectrum. Now,
a lot of times what happens is when that THHC
gets removed, we see a lot of other of the
other minor cannabinoids like CBC and CBG tend to drop
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out as well. There are some improved techniques out there
now that preserve some of those minorcannabinoids like CBC and CBG,
But generally what happens is broad spectrum is somewhere in
the middle between isolate and full spectrum. What it does
is it strips out some of those cannabinoids like THGC.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I love speaking to you. I learned so much and
it's because you explain things in such a clear, concise,
and easy to understand accessible way, there's no getting lost
in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
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You're listening to KSEA ten fifty am one oh six
point five FM on your dial, and now back to
the show. Each week, we like to share consumer tips
and insights on how to choose a quality product for
our listeners. So I'd love to ask you what are
some key tips, for instance, that we should keep in
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mind when we're looking at label.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Sure, So you know, one of the things is that
you want to understand who's behind the product, right is it?
Is it veterinarian formulated? Do they have veterinarians on staff
that provide input into the formulation into all the ingredients?
You know? So for us, I formulate all the products
and then We also have vetinary nurses on staff too,
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because for you know, for pet owners, this is something
that is therapeutic. It's meant to improve the quality of
life for their pets, and so being able to get
you know, good customer support when they need it is
one of the most important things for us, and so
that's why we have a team of veterinary nurses on staff,
so that way, when anyone emails us or calls us,
they're able to talk to veterinary professionals, and you know,
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if they want to talk to me, I'm more than
happy to talk to them. I call call owners all
the time just to you know, educate them about cannabinoids. So,
you know, being able to understand the formulation process and
the customer support processes something that's really important, but also
being able to access things like a certificate of analysis
because what a lot of studies have actually shown over
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the years is that because CBD on the hemp side
is not very regulated, and so what that means is
that there's no testing requirements.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Testing requirements on the CBD hemp.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Side, right on the cannabis side, it's very very different
for it.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Do you think that will change anytime soon?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
I think so, but you know, it really remains to
be seen. It's a big question. But we know that
on the cannabis side of things, it's a complete difference,
you know. So just to give you an example, on
the cannabis side of things, what we do is, uh,
we do more than what's required. So basically in terms
of what's required for every cannabis product in California is
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the final batches have to be tested for potency so
that whatever's on the label is accurately reflected in the product,
and then also has to be tested for heavy metals, pesticides, solvents,
microbials like E. Coli and salmonella, and also mycotoxins. And
what we do is we go a step beyond that.
We do a triple testing procedure, so we also test
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the raw ingredients that we use, so the cannabis extract,
the organic extravergin olive oil that we use, we test
all those for things like pesticides, microbial solvents, and heavy
metals to make sure that we're only dealing with clean material.
And then during the manufacturing process, we'll do a potency
check on it to make sure that whatever is being
produced is actually what's going to match up on the label,
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and then once everything's bashed up and finalized, then it'll
go for that final compliance test, which means again it'll
get tested for potency, heavy metals, microbials, solvents, pesticides, and micotoxins.
So we test over and over and over to make
sure that we get clean, safe, consistent product. And we
do this on the hemp side as well. We've taken
our sop from the cannabis side of things and implement
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it on the hemp side of things, so that way
we go in above and beyond to make sure that
again we're only dealing with clean, safe, consistent material.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Clean safe and consistent down to.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
A label that reflects and backs with testing and good
manufacturing practices. The purity and the potency of the product.
You want to be able to discern that if it
says it has this much CBD in it, it has
that much CBD in it, and that if it says
it has this much thc in it, it has truly
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only that much or at least that much. And we
don't want to be having pesticides of microbioles, and so
you want to see that it's been tested for contaminants.
All right, well, Tim, honestly it sounds like the manufacturing
and testing practices that ved CBD hempen ploys. I don't
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think the organic strawberries I would pass, just saying right.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Exactly, yeah, and then the license regulated cannabis markets that
those cannabis products are tested and regulated and are cleaner
than the food and the water that we drink every day.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Cannabis is a vital adjunct therapy, sometimes even a better
option when Western medicine runs out of options. That said,
we do have to consider the potential side effects. Have
you seen anything clinically concerning with cannabis use in animals,
you know, aside from the risks of overdoing it with THEDC.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Yeah, so you know, you know, CBD is not completely
side effect free. Now, fortunately, the potential side effects of
CBD are very very mild, you know, and this can
happen for humans and animals as well. So side effects
of CBD are gi upse it. So you know, they
can't have diarrhea or soft stools. They can also get
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sleepy or or feel fatigued. So you know, now when
you compare that side effect profile to a lot of
the other side effect profiles of common medications. Like you
had mentioned before, you know, from a clinicians perspective, that
is far far safer than a lot of the traditional
pharmaceuticals that we tend to utilize on a daily basis.
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But you know that's something to be aware of, is
that you know, CBD can have these potential side effects
even though they tend to be mild and are fairly negligible.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So relatively mild and negligible compared to some of the
side effects associated with the pharmaceutical alternatives to treat the
same ailments. All right, now we're ready for one of
my favorite segments. We're going to grow our now everybody
with our expert, doctor Tim Shoe. So, Tim, we've talked
about potential side effects. We've talked about dosing. Now, prior
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to the proliferation of more scientific research, there's been a
lot of this information has been based on anecdotal evidence.
So what is the science saying, What is the research saying? Right?
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Right, Yeah, So dosing is something that's really important, and
that's why for dosing we always tell people to start
low and then gradually work their way based on the
clinical signs or based on the response that they're seeing
because the dose is actually going to vary from patient
to patient and for use to use. So we send
some interesting cases where you know, we have two dogs
(34:22):
that are about the same size that are using it
for the same condition, but the amount that they're using
is different. You know, one may need it only once
a day, one may need it twice a day. And
some of the studies out there that have shown differences
in terms of absorption rates. So for example, it's really
interesting there was one study that showed that there was
dogs that, you know, even though they got the same dose,
(34:44):
some dogs had five times the absorption rate that other
dogs did. And so this just goes to show you
that the dosing needs to be done on an individualized basis.
We have general guidelines that go by body weight, but
what we always tell people is start at a lower
level and then gradually increase dose until you're seeing the
optimal benefits from it. So, you know, the key that
we're aiming for is we're trying to use the lowest
(35:06):
dose that provides the maximum benefits.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
What I really appreciate about your approach to dosing is
you're honest. We start low and go slow, start low
see what your dog tolerates, even in yourself, and then
gradually increase as tolerated to the desired effect. That's fantastic
and even a lot of the data is showing that
(35:30):
this is individualized medicine. What works and one dog doesn't
work in another psycho humaine. Some people are super sensitive
to medication, other people it doesn't hit them as hard.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Did you want to talk about some of the other
uses of cannabis?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yes, oh good, you have time.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
On your packaging, it mentioned that your product supports normal
brain function. It also touched on its use for dogs
with epilepsines seizures. When I first saw the normal brain
function indication, I didn't immediately connect that to those specific conditions.
(36:10):
It seems like you have general claims about supporting mobility,
brain function, and GI health, but can you just elaborate
on how your product specifically addresses conditions like seizures and epilepsy.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Yeah, so you know. This is one of the most
common questions is what can cannabis be used for? Right,
Because people are familiar with cannabis use recreationally in humans,
but even in terms of medical uses for cannabis and humans,
people don't really know that much about it, much less
so when it comes to animals. So one of the
most common questions is what can cannabis be used for
(36:47):
in animals? And so I got this question so much
I came up with an acronym to help people remember
more easily.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And so the.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Acronym is pains so spelled pai ns and what it
stands for as it stands for pain, anxiety, inflammation, nausea,
and appetite loss and seizures. So that's not to say
that those are the only things that cannabis can be
used for, but those are the most commonly seen ailments
that cannabis is able to benefit.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
An appetite loss, that's one I didn't even realize cannabis
could be used for. But it actually ties to the
Compassion Care Act when medicinal marijuana went online in California
due to the appetite loss caused by chemotherapy and aids
victims were suffering from.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So it makes total sense.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I have to say though, when our senior dog was
facing that issue, full spectrum was the only thing that
had helped me.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
But I want to caution listeners. My point of.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Entry was the CBD isolate and that didn't work. Don't
give up. Don't give up, and don't be intimidated by
the broader of the full spectrum. At the time, for me,
broad and full spectrum products weren't even available online or
in retail stores. You had to go to a dispensary,
and oh my god, I found that so intimidating.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Everyone should have the the pleasure of going into a
license dispensary. A lot of people have this, you know,
this older notion of what a dispensary is.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I went to my first dispensary.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
It was very disarmenting, and that's not comfortable.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
My body was reacting.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Gosh, I no one I know sees me and oh
should I be doing this?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And oh my god, you've got the armed guard, you're
giving your ID.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Oh they don't take credit cards at the ATM, the
funky looking ATM machine in the corner. And then you
get past all of that and you're in a very
nurturing environment. It's like an old apoth carry not the
corporate CVS environment.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
But I felt that a loss. What's an eighth How
do you even order it? Would you like to spell this?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It was all it was very.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Wellard but in a legal marketplace. I mean, these dispensers
some of the most gorgeous storefronts that you've seen. So
I do encourage everyone to visit their local dispensary. You know,
a lot of people put a lot of time and
effort and they put their heart into it, and you know,
it's the cannabis community is a wonderful community, and the
license dispensaries are just beautiful dispensaries.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Yeah, they are like apple stores. Do you provide support
and education for the bud tenders?
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Right right? Yeah, So staff training is something that we
really focus heavily on.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Nice. Nice.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's very important to choose and support dispensaries that work
with brands and manufacturers who offer the education and support
to their staff.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Good. Good.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Now you have a hemp line available online and in
retail stores, also available at greenbee.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Life dot com.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
On the hemp side of things, we are also doing
full spectrum, but the amount of THHC is less, so,
you know, because of the way the hemp plant grows,
because of the way you know, the cannabinoids are extracted,
so it does have small, small amounts of THHC in there.
But our hemp line is available online at at CBD
hemp dot com and then also through non dispensary retailers
(40:30):
as well.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That's great that the hemp line is available online and
in accordance with the farm bill. At least at this
point in time they're allowing online and in retail space
is hemp that has up too point three percent THC.
We're dealing with rules and regulations, but now the full
(40:54):
spectrum hemp derived CBD products online that are more CBD
to THC sometimes work as well, So you have to
check it out for yourselves. And that's why I think
it's really important we build a community where we can
gather anecdotal evidence and share it. Hearing people share their
(41:15):
experiences with different products and ratios and their various applications
is invaluable. For example, case, I had no idea that
your product could help with anxiety during loud noises. I
had it sitting on my counter for joint pain for
my older German shepherd and never thought to try it
(41:37):
for the purpose of the anxiety loud noises caused in her.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
So, speaking of loud noises.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Fireworks, for instance, do you have any general tips for
pet owners on how to keep their pets safe during
loud noises if their dog's anxiety is triggered and they.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Tend to dash for the door.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Besides using CBD or cannabis, what advice do you have?
This is an important topic for think for things like
micro chipping in case pets get anxious and want to
run away.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Yeah, so that's you know, that's that's something that's really
really important is that July fifth is actually the busiest
time of year for animal shelters. And the reason why
is because the night before all the animals are trying
to run away from the fireworks noise, and so July
fifth tends to be the busiest time of year. And so,
you know, one of the most important things is to
make sure that you know things like your your fences
(42:32):
and your gates and your doors are secured. And then
also to make sure that you have proper identification on
your pets and whether that's in the form of you know,
tags and collars or microchip so that that way they
have your information and your address and their your phone number,
so that that way you know, if your pet does
get out and they are able to pick up your pet,
they can at least you know, find out who the
(42:54):
right owner is and get your pet back to you. So,
you know, those things are very very important. You know,
other things that you can do is also you know,
things like behavioral modification, positive reinforcement. I think one thing
that's really important is to understand the animal's mentality. A
lot of times when people see that their their pets
are afraid, they will tend to you know, talk to
(43:17):
them in a in a really soothing voice, and then
they tend to try to give them treats to to
calm them or relax them. But this can actually have
the reverse effect because in essence, what they might be
thinking is that you're rewarding them for that fearful behavior.
And so what I would encourage people to do is
you talk to a vetary behaviorist.
Speaker 11 (43:39):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (43:39):
There are actually board certify veterinary behaviorists out there that
deal with you know, all kinds of behavior issues, especially
with noise anxiety, to help them understand, uh, you know,
the steps that they can do to help their pet
be a little bit less afraid of things like you know, fireworks,
loud noises and things like that. But just to just
to kind of help people under I want to understand,
(44:02):
you know what effective positive reinforcement.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Looks like that's true.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
A lot of van errands may not fully understand animal
behavior or take.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
A holistic approach like you do.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
We went to an animal behavior as to recommend it
desensitizing our dog that was terrified of loud noises by
exposing her, gradually rewarding her tolerance along the way. It
was comforting to positively reinforce her when she was freaking
out to us, but very counterproductive for her. So, like cannabis,
(44:38):
low and slow, tim, I could talk to you forever,
but we're going to have to wrap. Before we wrap, though,
one very important thing.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
We have a legal updates.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Section, and I wanted to talk to you about the legality.
I mean, can I get CBD for my pets from
my veterinarian? So can you touch on the political landscape
surrounding the issue and what veterinarians can or cannot do.
It seems like there's been a lot of oversights in
(45:09):
the legislation where in medical marijuana states, privileges afforded to
physicians or osteopaths that apply to humans just weren't thought
about in the legislation to apply to animals.
Speaker 9 (45:24):
Yeah, you know, it's a it's a tricky issue about
where you know, cannabis and hemp are in terms of
the animal side of things. You know, human physicians have
you know, more protection. But in California we are leading
the country in terms of allowing vets to take part
in the in the picture. So in twenty eighteen, AB
(45:47):
two two one five got passed in California and what
that allowed for is allowed for veterinarians to be able
to discuss cannabis with their clients. The issue with it
is that it didn't allow for recommendation with their clients. Now, granted,
it's a term of art, and in the term in
the in the law, it actually means a written recommendation
(46:10):
the way that the physicians would write for their clients.
But you know, unfortunately, the way that it's interpreted, many
have interpreted it to mean that, you know, they can't
even verbally recommend cannabis. And so that's another bill that
we're working on which will actually allow for veternarians to
make recommendations in terms of cannabis products, and so that
(46:32):
will help complete the picture, and that will really help
California lead the country and really, quite frankly, the world
in terms of the integration of veterinarians into connabinoid therapeutics.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Leading the world in terms of the integration of veterinarians
into cannabinoid therapeutics is crucial and indeed on the path
you are forging. Did you know that CBD lead the
way in California's progressive pet health care legislation?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
In twenty eighteen, vet CBD helped pass Assembly Bill AB
twenty two fifteen, allowing veterinarians to discuss cannabinoid therapy with clients.
This legislation enabled informed decision making in pet health care,
giving pet owners alternative treatment options with professional guidance. But
the story doesn't end there. In twenty twenty two, VETSBD
(47:27):
continued its advocacy efforts and helped pass Assembly Bill AB
eighteen eighty five, allowing veterinarians to take the next step
and recommend cannabinoid therapeutics when they deem it appropriate for
their patient's health. These legislative wins showcase vetcbd's dedication to
advancing pet health and ensuring access to safe, effective treatments.
(47:49):
Stay informed, stay engaged, and together with VETZBD, let's continue
to advocate for the best possible care for our beloved pets.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
We just thank you so much, and it's just for
anyone interested in becoming involved in supporting these efforts, please
go to greenby life dot com. We have plenty of
advocacy materials and we'll keep you up to date on
what's happening in the world with veatinarians and how you
could be involved in your state. I say it again
(48:28):
and again, it's so important to know the issues, know
how they impact you, so that you're voting based on
your value system, not against what will work for you.
Speaker 9 (48:39):
Well, appreciate your support and glad you're finding comfort for
yourself as well.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
We have it backwards. We're using end of life drugs morphine, adavan,
narco opioids to deal with chronic conditions that sometimes their
onset is in people like when it happened for me,
it was in my early twenties. It's not sustainable, so
(49:05):
it's it's it's just backwards. Cannabis to deal with chronic conditions,
especially when they're onset is at an earlier age, is
a godsend for many people. But understanding that this is
it is a medicine plant and it's individualized medicine. We've
(49:26):
We've touched on so many great topics today, Tim, is
there anything else though that you'd like to add that
we didn't discuss.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I'm sure this is just the beginning.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
We could easily do a whole series of interviews with you,
and I know you'll be back.
Speaker 9 (49:41):
Yeah. I think we covered a lot and if anyone
has any further questions, you know, like I said, we
have veterinary nurses on staff, so you can always email
us info at VETCBD dot com. You can always call
us five six two seventy five four three seven one
three more than happy to talk to you. Pet owners.
Sometimes we talk to their veterinarians because their veterinarians want
(50:04):
a little bit more clarification on cannabis and CBD and HEMP.
The other thing that I also offer is I have
a one and a half hour continue education webinar for
veterinarians and registered veterinary technicians, so that that way they
can learn about cannabis, the clinical applications of cannabis and
they can actually get continued education credit for it as well.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Are you finding veterinarians open to it, embracing it?
Speaker 9 (50:28):
Yeah, because you know it's really interesting. They're they're seeing
their clients come in and talk to them about how cannabis,
about how CBD has been beneficial for their pets. Seeing
is believing, right, So when they see that for themselves,
you know, then they become really curious and you want
to learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
That's exactly right. That's what happened for me.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
And I've not encountered as many medical doctors who are
as open or willing to discuss cannabis as veterinarians are.
It's interesting, especially considering that we're in a where it
began legally medicinally all the way back in nineteen ninety six,
but there's still a fear a divide. It's still federally prohibited.
(51:10):
But it's encouraging because pets can serve as a gateway
for their owners, their veterinarians to learn more about cannabis.
For me, my journey with cannabis began with my dog.
It changed my life. I started an entire platform, greenbeelife
dot com to connect experts with listeners with innovative brands.
Speaker 9 (51:35):
Yeah, and we've seen that. We've seen actually see pet
owners initially utilized cannabis for their pets and they said,
you know what, I mean, I have some of these
same symptoms too, or my family members have some of
these same symptoms too. And you know, we see that
cannabis can be very beneficial and it's not you know,
just you know, snake oil or you know, we're not
(51:56):
just making this up. And you know, so they see
the proof is in the pudding, and they see how
well works for the pets, and then they start using
it for themselves to improve their own lives.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
Thank you so much for joining us today, doctor Shoe.
We appreciate your sharing your insights and look forward to
changing the way the world sees green one conversation at
a time. We're looking forward to having you back.
Speaker 9 (52:19):
Thanks for having me, Maria, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of
Just Saying No, That's No with a K with me,
your host, Maria Calbery. So I really hope you found
my conversation with veterinarian doctor Tim Shoe about pets and
cannabis and enlightening and empowering. Remember, knowledge is key when
it comes to the health and wellbeing of our furry friends.
If you have any questions or topics you'd like us
(52:44):
to cover in future episodes. Feel free to reach out
to me personally. Until next time, Take care and give
your pets and yourselves some extra love.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Let Me.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
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Hey, they're my fellow animal lovers and cannabis enthusiasts. Today,
I'm going to share some basic guidelines on how to
determine the proper amount of CBD to add when making
homemade dog threats for your fur baby. To get started,
you want to make sure you have a good quality
CBD tincture for today's recipe. I chose to use VEDCBD
(56:23):
hemp tincture because it's ethically sourced from USA grown hemp.
It's veterinarian formulated. It's earned an NASC quality seal, which
means they're operating with some pretty high standards, it comes unflavored,
and it's available in three strengths. I've had great results
giving it to my senior German shepherd Roxy for terrible skin, allergies,
(56:47):
anxiety and pain management in general. I'd say I'm a
savvy consumer, but I'm morph into a due diligence queen
when it comes to sourcing products for.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
My pets and are hive.
Speaker 5 (57:02):
All right, now that we have our hamp oil, we're
gonna need a benchmark, a general guideline.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
For a starting dose.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
I found conflicting information online and pretty much everywhere when
it came to recommended amounts as high as one milligram
and even higher per pound of your.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Pets body weight.
Speaker 5 (57:26):
It was very confusing and concerning. So I was finally
able to find a reasonable consensus and tapped into my
vetinarian resources to verify the conservative two to two point
five milligrams of CBD for ten pounds of your pets
body weight, tight trating up as needed and tolerated.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Now, it's important to always.
Speaker 5 (57:52):
Consult with your vetinarian for personalized dosing or tight trading
up advice based on your pets weighty breed, and individual
health needs.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
One thing to keep in mind with.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
Storeball cookies is mall start at a five milligram per
treat serving, which can be limiting if you have a
smaller dog than on They get is a little nimble.
Today's recipes shape and size will yield about fifty servings.
I'm going to use one hundred and twenty five milligrams
in order to get a two and a half milligram
(58:25):
serving per treat.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
No, then go.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
In twenty eighteen, VETCBD helped pass Assembly Bill AB twenty
two to fifteen, allowing veterinarians to discuss cannabinoid therapy with clients.
This legislation enabled informed decision making in pet healthcare, giving
pet owners alternative treatment options with professional guidance. But the
story doesn't end there. In twenty twenty two, VETZBD continued
(59:05):
its advocacy efforts and helped pass Assembly Bill AB eighteen
eighty five, allowing veterinarians to take the next step and
recommend cannabinoid therapeutics when they deem it appropriate for their
patient's health. These legislative wins showcase vetcbd's dedication to advancing
pet health and ensuring access to safe, effective treatments. Stay informed,
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