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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cannabis is the newest products and the groundbreaking ideas and
people driving the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria
Calabre's broadcasting on KCAA Radio ten fifty AM one zero
six point five FM, the station that leaves no listener behind.
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Let's face it, everyone ask questions about cannabis. Are hamp
and marijuana the same thing? Will CBD get me high?
Do I have to smoke it? Can I get the
benefits without the high? Will it interfere with my medications?
Is illegal? Where do you even start? For many of us,
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he myself included finding clear, trustworthy answers about cannabis after
decades of prohibition and misinformation, it often leads to more
confusion learning about cannabis. It's it's it's like picking up
a new language. Guy. It's much easier with guidance from
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someone fluent in both cannabis and health sciences, which is
what led me to take action, seek out unbiased resources
and bring them together to create Just Say No. And
it's also why I am genuinely, genuinely thrilled. Have we
got someone special to meet today? Guys? I am so
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excited to introduce today's guest Catherine Golden Hey Catherine, Hello.
Catherine is a cannabis trained registered nurse and the founder
and executive director of LEIF four one one. LEIF four
one one is the go to resource for consumers, offering
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reliable guidance from nurses trained in cannabinoid science. In a nutshell,
they take the guest work out of navigating legal cannabis
and empower individuals to make informed decisions about their health. Now,
what drew me to leave four one one is their
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belief that knowledge is power. Okay, just say no. That's
with a K and a W K and ow knowledge
is power. In today's world, we're so many of us
are looking for reliable places or people to turn to
for answers to our questions. I can I can truly
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say Leaf four to one one's cannabis trained nurses. They
stand apart as trusted guides to help us consumers start
our cannabis journey on the right path. So sit back,
relax as we explore how cannabis can improve our lives
and how to choose products and healthcare providers that are
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right for you, with insights from some of the brightest
minds in the industry.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
By twenty twenty Bank of America and Merrill Lynch estimate
that will grow to thirty five billion dollars, and many
experts believe it could eventually reach two hundred billion dollars
each and every year.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
On this same up the scott, I can't see me
so much fun, your moses, your monson. I'm a butterfly
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who is gonna be gone, taking me a while to
get it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Had to live and cry to appreciate your life.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And what do you give this word?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
When you're holding and you hold, you're so close someone
further and under your skill want to leave the mic
so that I can be sure that you and them
the wise man.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It is my absolute pleasure to welcome Catherine Golden to
just say no. Catherine, you're not only a registered nurse
with extensive clinical experience, but also a passionate leader an
advocate in the cannabis space. As the founder and CEO
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and executive director and mom of Leaf four one one,
a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing free cannabis education and
guidance to the public, You've spent over eight years championing knowledge, integrity,
and service excellence in the cannabis in on the heels
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of a twenty eight year career as a registered nurse.
You must have started when you were five, but we'll
talk about that later. Welcome Catherine, and thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Wow, well, thank you for that introduction. I just am
so thrilled to be here, to be able to connect
with your audience and hopefully get a lot of their
questions answered and provide that knowledge that you talked about.
You know, that is what I'm here to do and
I can't wait to get started.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's amazing. I mean, you are filling an education vacuum
and decades eighty decades nineteen thirty seven marijuana TASAK prohibition
communication void. So you know, through your work at Leaf
for one one, you oversee everything from the administration and
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programming to fundraising and compliance, all while eating a team
of senior professionals, which is amazing that you were able
to assemble who all sharing your mission. So tell me
a little bit about tell us about your career and
your mission.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Okay, all right, well let's see where do I start.
I'll start.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I have been a register nurse for twenty.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Eight years and in the cannabis industry for about eight
now my journey. I think when you talk to anybody
in cannabis, especially a medical professional, typically they have a
personal story that got them started in looking into the
science behind cannabis, and that's what happened with me. So
eight years ago, I was still a non believer in
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cannabis as medicine. I actually voted against it when it
was up for adult use here in Colorado. Wow, I know,
I know, and I'm very open about saying that transparent
because I was working nurse in hospitals and believe the propaganda.
I believed what they were saying that there was no
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medicinal value to cannabis, and it never worked for me
personally when I was in my youth, and so I thought, well,
you know there's there's no science, then you know it's
there's no use for it. So I voted against it.
And then eight years ago, my brother in law was
suddenly diagnosed with stage four lung cancer and given two
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to five years to live. We were extremely devastated, and
so he's actually in California, and my sister said, well,
you know, we're privileged enough to be able to go
to some of the top researchers in California, USC, UCI,
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and UCLA, and one of them, at a female researcher
at USC said, you know, we'll look at cannabis, but
we look at it as a last day effort because
we don't know anything about it. So when she told
me that, I said, you know what, I'll look into
it because it's so popular here in Colorado. Everybody's talking
about it, they're voting for it. It passed, you know,
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and it's you know, used medicinally here. Let me look
into the validity of this plant. So I went to
all of our typical resources that any clinician would look at,
you know, PubMed Science, direct, National Institute of Health, you
know where we look for the black and white science.
And when I started looking, I was shocked and actually
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angered that there is so much science that shows promise
with this plant. That I started saying, Okay, how can
I learn more? So, as a medical professional, even eight
years ago as a nurse, I had to just go
deep online and try to find where there were courses
that I could take to teach me cannabinoid therapeutics or
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cannabinoid science. So I did that and I found resources
like the American Cannabis Nurses Association who offered a class
a course at that time called the Medical Cannabis Institute.
I took the first courses for medical professionals and that's
where I started my journey. And so doing that, I
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could start trying to help educate my sister and my
brother in law on the value of cannabis and integrating that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Wow. Wow, wow wow, so much to unpacked there.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, so a little bit what I learned is I found,
like you just spoke of the experts in this industry,
and the one that I found was doctor Bonnie Goldstein.
And she, I said, oh, she is top I can
tell from all the science, and she's in California with you.
So I made an appointment and I said, I am
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taking you. I am flying to California. I am taking
you to doctor Bonnie gold Wow, and we are going
to have an appointment in that time eight years ago.
You know, she's a pediatric physician, but she was seeing
adults as well. So thankfully I was able to get
him in with her and there started his journey. So
we are eight years now and he is healthy, he's
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doing every normal thing you would do, and he's still
taking his cannabis. They don't know why his kine's inhibitor are.
This drug that was supposed to only last I believe
it was eighteen months has now lasted eight years. And
so Wannie guided him on what to use, and then
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here we are eight years later and he's still with us,
healthy as ever.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, You're amazing, and I no, you are.
You really cannot be understated. I cannot tell you how
many people family members included that I have tried to
get to try to get in to see Bonnie Goldstein
and they resist, They just resist and and and and
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you know, justifiably so because of the the stigmas deep
you're a convert, You're a I call you a cannabis convert.
And those those are the vast right, We're gonna we're
gonna move the mountain and push it over the line
to be rescheduled, because uh, I too, am a cannabis convert.
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I was a child of dare. I went to law school.
This was never on the table. This is it's a felony, right,
it's the devil's weed. And and and like you, I
I really wasn't aware of any medicinal value and being
misinformed as well. I thought it really was either something
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that was dangerous and abused recreationally or an end of
life drug last resort, which is such such a shame.
It's well, your your brother in law is your brother
in law right?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's now did he take it as an adjunct therapy
with traditional oncology treatments or how did how did that go?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yes? So, and that's that's exactly where the fear is.
You know, how do I introduce this? Can I introduce this?
So he was able to take it, and he still
does with his pharmaceuticals, so with his oncology medication. Okay,
so he was in a study program. He couldn't use
cannabis at the time because he was in a study program,
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so that you have to be very careful with that.
They don't want anything interfering. But that didn't The immunotherapy
did not work for him, actually threw him into liver failure.
So he was kicked out of the He was actually
kicked out of the study. And that's when we were saying,
let's introduce cannabis, and started introducing cannabis. So that's my
journey of how I started with, you know, teaching and
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showing him and I firmly believe I wish there was
some way I could put a pocket nurse, a nurse
in everyone's little pocket, because they were able to pull
me out and say, what can we do? How do
we navigate this system? We don't understand healthcare, And then
you're telling us about cannabis, and I was able to
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talk to them about dispensaries, how to purchase everything that
I was trying to absorb and learn at the same time.
So and that's kind of how you know, I evolved
in becoming a cannabis nurse at a clinic and seeing
that not most people you know are having trouble affording
the out of pocket cost for a physician's appointment, and
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also just to even know if cannabis would be suitable
for them. So that's how I got started starting the
nonprofit Leaf for one one because I wanted everyone, anyone,
no matter what your financial ability is, no matter if
you have a smartphone or a landline, to be able
to call Leaf for one one and get free guidance
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if you needed free guidance. And it's kind of it's
grown from there.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Wow wow wow wow. Well You're remarkable on so many levels.
I mean a whole other episode. We can have attorneys
on and we could talk about I'm still blown away
and I'm thrilled that you are not for profit organization,
But at the same time, my heart bleeds for you
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because I'm not for profit organizations. How are they funded?
They're funded with government grants And as long as this
is a Schedule one and federally illegal, how has that
impacted you're funding from the government.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, we don't. We can't apply for government We have
to rely on foundations and individual giving. And you know,
just to give you a little glimpse into the struggles
we have, we probably apply for about I don't know
twelve grants last year and got zero because a lot
of foundations are very concerned with their other donors and
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how they feel about cannabis. So even though we do
not touch the plant and we state that everywhere we're
education only, they still say, well, it's still uncomfortable for us.
Or you have the word cannabis on your website, so
that's a problem. You have a cannabis leaf on your website.
That's been a problem. All these little things. So even
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though we're licensed medical professionals talking about safe use, safe consumption.
We still do not get grants.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And not only that, the wealth of anecdotal evidence that
you have and that you can offer and impair evidence,
I mean human studies. Look your brother in law, case
in point. It's it's so frustrating, it's so frustrating, but
we just have to, you know, continue to to to
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make people aware. The initial reaction is cannabis, no and no,
but we're hoping to reshape that your mission. Knowledge is power.
That's why this is just say no with a kk
and OW. We want people to know, guys, this is
not a knee jerk. You can't just say no. I
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mean you can, but there's it's so underutilized, and God forbid,
you don't have to wait until you're in a place
where western medicine just doesn't have a solution, which often happens.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
So right, and that's where cannabis can lead is really
giving you hope. And that's what we provide is hope
that there's an alternative. You know, you're struggling. You know,
people are struggling with pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And ironically, ironically I saw wonderful ted talk. It was
a family practitioner internist to studying cannabis now, and he
was talking about it doesn't only give you hope, but
the paradox is, because it's so still a schedule one,
it gives you control. Because if you're in a state
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that where it's legal, you have control by walking into
a dispensary that has more of an old apothecary. Feel
you're not waiting for the doctor to phone in the
prescription to the corporate place. It's it's that control over
and learning how to dose it.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Apparently there are studies that that helps patients. Would would
you say, clinically you've seen.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That, yes. I mean, one thing that I'm really telling
callers every day is that over the last decade, there's
been over thirty five thousand scientific papers published on National
Institutes of Health pub MET. So when you think about
that number over thirty five thousand and ten years, last
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ten years, just the last ten years, that you know,
when someone says, oh, there's I'm sure you heard this,
there's not enough science. I mean, that's all the time,
all the time. That's the repeater language. That's what people
who don't want to take the time to actually look
just continue repeating, and its false information.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And it's dangerous information. And it's not based on thirty
five ten decades. It's not based on ten years of
thirty five studies. It's based on eighty years of propaganda.
And you know that's a whole other story. But I'm
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just curious. Was your brother in law in Colorado as well?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
No, California, and that's all Californy.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, And that's where all right? Well, uh, you know,
we're twenty minutes into the show and I'm in California,
and in California it's for twenty So Catherine, you're gonna
be on the hot seat. We're gonna this is the
part of the show where for twenty we ask our
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guests to drop a knowledge bomb. So are you ready
to drop a knowledge bomb for us?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Let me have it?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
All right? Well, and keeping well what we were discussing
to anyone out there that is hesitant about using cannabis
or who's genuinely afraid this misinformation, it is repeat language
and that sticks, and they're genuinely afraid to even suggested
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to a loved one, where you suggested it to your
brother in law. But there are people who would really
be afraid to even do that due to the stigma
or the fear. What would you say to them if
they had you in their back pocket or today right
now on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I would say. What we tell people a lot
that are nervous and fearful of cannabis is start with
the topical, because a topical you can actually feel something happening,
typically if you have arthritic pain or you have joint pain,
just even putting it on, and even if you felt nothing,
but that nothing tells you that it's not scary. And
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that's where we like someone to start wrapping their mind
around that cannabis is not scary.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Interest. So even if they even if they don't have
a positive result, yes, as long as they don't have
a negative one, correct ah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's what we tell and we tell them even
if it's something that they take orally, if you what
we call is start sub therapeutic, and everybody knows the
hot term microdose. If you start so low, we tell
everyone such with a tiny little piece of the gummy.
You know, we recommend always cutting something in fourths or
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eighth because even though we know you're not going to
feel anything, that's okay because now you start getting comfortable,
like oh, why didn't even feel anything? Well, great, now
you know it's not scary. Now you know that you
can start climbing up. So even if a topical doesn't
feel anything right away, it's just getting them comfortable to
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try something.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I love it. That's wonderful, wonderful advice. See, I always
I tend to set expectations too high and psyche myself out,
and I say, oh, what if it doesn't work? So
I'm not going to recommend a topical to a family
member that needs maybe more. But you know what, no
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baby steps, It's okay, recommend the topical. One they might
get some kind of a benefit, and two as long
as they don't have an adverse effect.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Right allah, then you go to the next step, go
to the next step.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Very very very very smart. Well, you know you were brave.
Though you were brave, you were brave to even bringing
it up to a family member. So I would say
to people, do it, because you'll regret if you didn't.
And God forbid, Western medicine no longer has something to work.
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It's what happened for me. I gotta tell you a
funny story real quickly, and how I started Green Bay life.
I am a back paining, chronic back pain sufferer for
over four decades. I had a horrific catastrophic car accident
after my first year of law school. I had a
massive spinal surgery that failed that left me worse than
the car accident for four decades, four massive spinal surgeries,
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hardware that I don't you know, I can't even describe.
Cannabis was not on the table for me, and I
could be pretty formidable, So people did not recommend it
because I used to just say, now I know. But
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I had a seventeen year old failing dog, and I
had a publicist who said, why don't you try cannabis.
I had such a visual response I couldn't. I was
ashamed of myself. I bit her head off. I said, well,
why don't we just give her arsenic? And then I
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called myself it was that much, and I realized, why
am I being so harsh? Because interestingly, that was at
the same time about eight years ago. It was twenty
sixteen when Prop sixty four was on the ballot in California,
and I, unlike you as much as I didn't understand cannabis,
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I was gonna vote for Prop sixty four, and I
was immediately. You know, people who know me know the
bark is worse than the bite. So she pushed back
and said, but aren't you voting to legalize it. I
was like, I caught myself. I got a look at this.
I don't know why I'm having that response. I mean,
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the dog is in so much pain and the only
way western medicine knows to stop that pain was a
very permanent solution that I wasn't ready to take. So anyway,
that's what opened my eyes. So guys, anyone out there,
if someone suggests sit to you and you are against it,
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try to just com a just approach it with curiosity.
Why would this person who cares for me be suggesting it?
Would you say that's good advice, Catherine Nurse.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Captain, Absolutely, absolutely, that's great advice is just to try it.
But you know, kind of pointing back to what my
mission is is providing a service that anyone can reach,
so that way you have that trusted guidance. And like
you said in that great intro, you know, nurses have
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been voted the most trusted professional. I think in twenty
three years now, it's either twenty two or twenty three
number one trusted professional. And that's because we give you
both sides of it. Here are the benefits and here
are the possible challenges or cautions. And now you are
an informed consumer. And that's where we come from, is
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informing you. So as long as you're going to someone
who has that guidance and hopefully you know coming to us,
we can guide you there and we can give you
those resources, then that's taking that first step in consuming
safely well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And you know you're coming from informing and both sides,
but you're coming from through an empathic lens, not just
the clinical one. Let's face it. You know, we need
the clinicians and the scientists who are barely looking at
that and looking at both sides. But nurses have a
level of empathy. I've experienced it firsthand. And what I've
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experienced through my journey and opening up to cannabis is
nurses are so much more receptive to wanting to know
about it and my experience with it. We're doctors, you know,
unless you have the good fortune and you seek out
and you call LEA four one one and we'll get
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to your directory and your network of medical doctors. But
doctors like Donnie doctors like doctor Bonnie Goldstein their rear,
they're pioneers, they're up and coming here. Her resident training
was in pediatrics, but she'll see adults because there's just
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a need for healthcare professionals. And I'm really impressed with
your member directory. Can can you tell us a little
bit about your member directory and the members ranging from
physicians to manufacturers to dispensaries.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Sure. So when I started lead for one one, you know,
I knew I couldn't just offer a phone number, give
guidance and say okay, now go find a great dispensary
or go find a great clinician or an online product.
I needed to give resources. So that's where we go
out and we go to some of the brands that
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are vetted. So anyone that you see on our website
is a vetted brand, meaning we've spoke to them, we've
looked at their culture, we've made sure there they align
with us and know that everything is as as transparent
as it can be. So when you have a dispensary
or an online manufacturers, they have to have CoA certificate
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of analysis that are available to the public that the
public can ask that they want to see that. So
they know it's in their product, what it's been tested for,
the potency. We make sure that the dispensaries know that
they're going to be patients coming in, even if they're
just an adult use store, that they are really wanting
to see those patients and wanting to help them in
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a way that's more warm customer service. We make sure
that the clinicians on our website are some of the
top the leaders in the industry, and we'll have other
resources for them. So that's how we built our resources,
all vetted by our team, making sure that you have
somewhere to go. So we're just not kind of giving
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you guidance and then letting you float out there. We
want to point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's what's so impressive. And guys, this is the unique
value proposition here with LEE four one one, And I
haven't found it anywhere else. And I look, and as
soon as I find something I'm excited about, I love
to share it. Because I had a doctor of pain
management of physiatrists who had said to me at one point,
have you tried marijuana? And I was desperate enough with
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my back and I had seen the results. I had
a favorable outcome with my dog, thank god.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I was open. So I said where how And this
was my pain management doctor, a medical doctor and MD,
who said, oh, I don't. I don't know. I just
have some patients who have tried it. I think they
grow their own. I don't know where they get it,
and it's helped them. And then I said, well grow
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your own. And I was immediately, you know, overwhelmed, said
do you have to smoke it? She said no, no,
and I don't recommend smoking for lung health. They make
a topical. I said, they grow a plant and make
a topical. That wasn't very I mean, it just shows
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why we need Leaf four to one one. And you're
a unique value proposition that you connect the dot. So
I do enough. To tell somebody to do something, you
have to give them the resources to do it. Finding
the resources. Guys, don't beat yourself up. If you have
a family member or you're looking yourselves and you feel
like you're hitting a brick wall. Help us here. We've
got Catherine, We've got Leaf four to one one. She's
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got an incredible network of positions and nurses and so
anyone listening that's like, wow, I want to get in
touch with you. I want to talk to Lee for
one one. I have questions. How can they reach out?
How can they find reach for one one?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, so you can go to our homepage leafour one
one dot org. On that homepage, there's a big white
button that says click here that takes you straight to
our scheduling software, so you can schedule an appointment right there.
Anyone can call our hotline. That was what I first started.
I had so many people saying, oh, why aren't you
starting with an app you know, and I said, no,
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I'm going to go O G. I'm going to go
with the eight hundred phone line because I wanted anyone
to be able to call people who don't have smartphones,
people who you know, are unhoused. I've had people that
were in the middle, not not even kidding. Within the
first year, we had somebody who was on his ranch
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and he could only get service out in the fields,
and he called us to ask about how to use cannabis.
And that's what really, you know, proved that. That's why
I wanted to have this number first. So that is
a free hotline number will always be free. That's for
quick questions. How do I get a medical card.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You know, how do I.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Schedule an appointment? And then we've grown our programming to
now be thirty minute guidance calls. We're growing it again
the first of February to be forty five minute guidance calls.
We ask for a donation twenty five dollars, but if
somebody can afford that, no problem. They just leave us
a message on our hotline saying I need a free call.
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But that's part of what those resources are on our directory.
Those companies see the value and educated consumers, so they
actually give to lead four to one one so we
can provide free calls to everybody. They have special codes.
So that's the only way we can keep our lights
on and our doors open is because the cannabis industry,
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those brands have said, you know what, we want to
give to you monthly to ensure that the service stays alive.
And well, it's not a struggle, but we're we're doing
it and we're in our six year now.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's it's I know, I know, I feel the pain.
And then I noticed on your website that's what you
were referring to. Is that belief for one one affordability
program for people who have financial hardships.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
The Affordability Program is a program we started a couple
of years ago. That one has been put on pause.
But everyone gets a free call that needs a free
call that is never part of any program. That's just given.
If someone needs that, they don't have to be a
part of a program. They just simply leave on the
hotline and says I need a free call, I need help.
Great we have. We tell them that they can call
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any of the directory participants and those are their supporters,
and they will give them their free code as well
to call Leaf for one one. It's a coupon code
that they schedule appointment. But we make sure we help everyone.
We do live by donation, so that's important to like
I said, keep the lights on and the door is open,
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is through donations because as we spoke about earlier, it's
incredibly hard for us to get a grant.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yes and uh.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yes, so we.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Need just being and that that's what's amazing with you
because you don't only combined health sciences and an expertise
in cannabis, but you're also an advocate as well. And
it's it's going to take a village and it's it's
going to take educating folk and offering people resources to call,
(34:43):
even if they can't afford to, because once people understand it,
all politics are local, and once people understand it and
demand it, then it will go up the chain, although
remains to be seen. With the new administration, it's going
to do with at least rescheduling, But as long as
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it's on a schedule one, it's virtually impossible to make
money at this The states and the government are making
the money, but well meaning brands are not. And I'm
heartened that the brands who are doing it right and
going to try to survive legalization and self police and
(35:28):
do their own pay the price of compliance, because what
this legal ambiguity does it leaves the door open for
not well meaning companies to come in, which really makes
it even more confusing. So the companies that are doing
it right and self policing, being compliant, if they can
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hang on and survive legalization, that's who you want to support.
And I'm glad that they're supporting you, because it starts
with the educational platforms, the boots on the ground, the
nurses in the pocket, the digital leaf for one one
which is your digital nurse in a pocket and if
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anyone wants to support Leaf for one one, they can
go to leaffo one dot org. And you do have
an area to donate, correct.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yes, we have an individual giving page where anyone can
go and donate anything from one dollar on up. And
then we also have our business memberships. We're hoping and
we would love more industry brands to come and support us.
I mean, that's what we would love is having We
do have some supporters from California. Urban Joy is a
(36:45):
delivery service in California and they support us, so we
have them all over and we would we need more
to survive. So whether you're a brand, or you know somebody,
or maybe you go to a favorite dispense we tell
people that all the time. They say how can we help,
Say go to your favorite dispensary, go to your favorite brand,
(37:06):
and say please support Lee for one one, Because that's
how I came to you, being an informed consumer and
knowing what to buy when when I walk in the door,
you know, and and buying smart and buying safely. So
that's why we really encourage the industry to want to
support us, and you know, we need more.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We absolutely do and that is great advice for brands.
I'm on the Marketing and Advertising Committee of the National
Cannabis Industry Association. Guys, you'll be getting a phone call
for me. We've got to get behind Lee for on one.
It's it's I say it all the time. As an industry,
we're we're we're going to succeed together or we're going
(37:53):
to fail individually. And it starts with educating the public.
We have to not only educate them. You know, at
the end of prohibition you can educate people about alcohol
and the difference between beer and wine. This isn't just
an end of prohibition. This is decades of misinformation and
(38:14):
stigma and paranoia. And so listen, guys, stay tuned because
in Supportingly for One, I want to throw a quick
word about them. And when we come back, Catherine's going
to share consumer insights and tips on cannabis and how
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it relates to the opioid use and elder care.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Whether you're brand new to cannabis or a longtime user,
we know you have questions and Leaf for one one
is here to help. Leaf for one One is a
nonprofit that provides free or low cost cannabis education through
our nurse guidance services that can answer your health related
questions like the benefits of CBD versus THHC, potential prescription interactions,
and the best way shows for pain, sleep and anxiety.
(39:02):
Get your questions answered today call us to speak with
a cannabis nurse, or visit our website to schedule your
call and find ways to support this much needed public service.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Hey, welcome back. You're listening to Just Say No on
KCAA Radio ten fifty am one oh six point five FM.
I'm Maria Calibery Sure host and I am joined here
with Catherine Golden, who is a registered nurse and cannabis expert,
where we're discussing trending questions about how to consume cannabis
(39:37):
safely and responsibly to enhance your well being. Catherine is
the founder of Lee for to one one, which began
with the first ever cannabis nurse hotline. So, Catherine, I
wanted to talk to you a little bit about I
really appreciated the free Opioid Guide. I mean, there's so
(40:00):
many there's a plethora of resources on your site, but
can you speak to us a little bit about opioids and.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yes, yes, yeah, I would love to So a company
called Puff Creative and Ninth Blocks, and both marketing companies said,
you know what, we really need to publish an opioid
awareness guide and came to us and was wonderful and
wanted to put some data, some information from the CDC
about opioids and overuse and misuse, and then cannabis and
(40:33):
how cannabis can be integrated into your pharmaceutical regimen and
start helping to replace some of the heavy use of opioids.
And that's what we talk about in this opioid Awareness
Guide is the different types of pain. And gosh, when
I Maria, when I started the hotline, I was the
only one on the calls. I started it by myself
(40:55):
and I'm like, oh call so I know. That's how
passionate I was about it. I'm like, I got to
be a pocket nurse for everybody. And it was heartbreaking
to hear that there is so much physical and mental
pain happening across the country. And that's our number one topic.
It's physical and mental pain. So people are just looking
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for another solution, another alternative, So they want to know,
like how can I soften the pain just to get
through daily activities? And reduce my opioid juice, and that's
very safe to do with cannabis. And that's another one
of those kind of repeater misinformation that some physicians or
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nurse practitioners or pas or any clinician might use that
doesn't really want to look at the science and just says, oh,
there's not enough science and or I don't think it's
safe to combine the two. That's absolutely not true. It's
incredibly safe, and you can start reducing your opioids with
your prescribers guidance. Once you start learning and seeing that
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the science is there that cannabis is very effective for pain,
you have to know which ratios would be best. And
once you learn that is what's something we can teach,
what the nurses only four one one can teach, then
you know how you can use it in conjunction with
your regimen. And with pain typically comes with inflammation and
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then the pain receptors. And what the number one thing
people are taught is that CBD helps with inflammation and
THHD touches those pain receptors. So when you put both together,
then you've got your gold standard. And that's usually what
people start saying, oh, you need a one to one
CBD THHD ratio, and that's a good starting point, and
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we start giving just some of those little tidbits of
guidance to say, Okay, here's where you start. Here's a
good ratio, and this is why CBD is great for pain,
and this is why THHD is great for pain, and
this is why they're great. They're even better together and
why you should you them together. And now we've got
even minor cannabinoids like CBG that's great for neuropathic pain
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and neuropathy some people know it as neuropathy that they
get from using from if they've been an ecology patient.
So all kinds of different forms of pain. And then
there's mental health pain, and what we can use, which
is fantastic for mental health pain is the CBD, which
helps kind of balance the body and bring a relaxation
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to the body, helps decrease anxiety. So there's just so
much we can go into, and that's why I recreated
the Opioid Awareness Guide, so just to give you the
starting information that it is, Cannabis is safe to use,
and we wish it was a first line medicine versus
a last line medicine and that's kind of what we
advocate for is, you know, it's really safe to try
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cannabis because there's very few receptors in the brainstem, so
you cannot There's no lethal dose of cannabis. So somebody
could take an entire canister gummies and eat that accidentally
and they won't go into cardiac rest. They won't have
a respiratory depression like you can with opioids. It's just
not possible.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, we'll have another another episode. But my last final surgery,
which was in January of twenty twenty, right before COVID,
I did not wake up. Yeah, what did you call it?
Opioid respiratory respiratory depression. I went from the recovery room
(44:39):
to a critical clear care unit to pretty scary stuff.
Pretty scary stuff, and it's real. It's real. So what
are some of the kinds of conversations you're having with
people who call in who are relying on opioids or
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what kind of questions are they or concerns are you
hearing surrounding trying cannabis.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well, the number one question is how do they how
can they start cannabis and start reducing the amount of
opioids they consume and that's where we start. So one
thing we always like to enforce is you never want
to just throw away your prescription medicine. It's just start cannabis.
It's not you know, the one product you can take
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and it cures all. And that's what a lot of
people that's another misconception. You want to integrate them together,
use them synergistically.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Is there a danger of interaction?
Speaker 4 (45:38):
No, so there's no. So this is this is another
little tidbit that a lot of people are really nervous
about drug to drug interactions. Yeah, can I Can I
take cannabis with X, Y or Z prescription? The answer
is almost always yes. It's just dose dependent. It depends
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on the dose of cannabis you take. When we get
concerned about the amount of cannabis you take, it's usually
in the triple digits. Oh, you're taking one hundred milligrams
of CBD a day, two hundred three hundred, then there's
a concern. But when you're taking the doses that are
over the counter suggest in serving size ten milligrams, twenty milligrams,
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there's never a concern for a drug to drug interaction
because it's too.
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Cannabis is the newest products and the groundbreaking ideas and
people driving the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria
Calabre's broadcasting on KCAA Radio ten fifty AM one zero
six point five FM, the station that leaves no listener behind.
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Let's face it, everyone ask questions about cannabis. Are hamp
and marijuana the same thing? Will CBD get me high?
Do I have to smoke it? Can I get the
benefits without the high? Will it interfere with my medications?
Is illegal? Where do you even start? For many of us,
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he myself included finding clear, trustworthy answers about cannabis after
decades of prohibition and misinformation, it often leads to more
confusion learning about cannabis. It's it's it's like picking up
a new language. Guy. It's much easier with guidance from
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someone fluent in both cannabis and health sciences, which is
what led me to take action, seek out unbiased resources
and bring them together to create Just Say No. And
it's also why I am genuinely, genuinely thrilled. Have we
got someone special to meet today? Guys? I am so
(01:23):
excited to introduce today's guest Catherine Golden Hey Catherine, Hello.
Catherine is a cannabis trained registered nurse and the founder
and executive director of LEIF four one one. LEIF four
one one is the go to resource for consumers, offering
(01:48):
reliable guidance from nurses trained in cannabinoid science. In a nutshell,
they take the guest work out of navigating legal cannabis
and empower individuals to make informed decisions about their health. Now,
what drew me to leave four one one is their
(02:09):
belief that knowledge is power. Okay, just say no. That's
with a K and a W K and ow knowledge
is power. In today's world, we're so many of us
are looking for reliable places or people to turn to
for answers to our questions. I can I can truly
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say Leaf four to one one's cannabis trained nurses. They
stand apart as trusted guides to help us consumers start
our cannabis journey on the right path. So sit back,
relax as we explore how cannabis can improve our lives
and how to choose products and healthcare providers that are
(02:54):
right for you, with insights from some of the brightest
minds in the industry.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
By twenty twenty Bank of America and Merrill Lynch estimate
that will grow to thirty five billion dollars, and many
experts believe it could eventually reach two hundred billion dollars
each and every year.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
On this same up the scott, I can't see me
so much fun, your moses, your monson. I'm a butterfly
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who is gonna be gone, taking me a while to
get it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Had to live and cry to appreciate your life.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And what do you give this word?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
When you're holding and you hold, you're so close someone
further and under your skill want to leave the mic
so that I can be sure that you and them
the wise man.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It is my absolute pleasure to welcome Catherine Golden to
just say no. Catherine, you're not only a registered nurse
with extensive clinical experience, but also a passionate leader an
advocate in the cannabis space. As the founder and CEO
(04:40):
and executive director and mom of Leaf four one one,
a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing free cannabis education and
guidance to the public, You've spent over eight years championing knowledge, integrity,
and service excellence in the cannabis in on the heels
(05:01):
of a twenty eight year career as a registered nurse.
You must have started when you were five, but we'll
talk about that later. Welcome Catherine, and thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Wow, well, thank you for that introduction. I just am
so thrilled to be here, to be able to connect
with your audience and hopefully get a lot of their
questions answered and provide that knowledge that you talked about.
You know, that is what I'm here to do and
I can't wait to get started.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's amazing. I mean, you are filling an education vacuum
and decades eighty decades nineteen thirty seven marijuana TASAK prohibition
communication void. So you know, through your work at Leaf
for one one, you oversee everything from the administration and
(05:55):
programming to fundraising and compliance, all while eating a team
of senior professionals, which is amazing that you were able
to assemble who all sharing your mission. So tell me
a little bit about tell us about your career and
your mission.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Okay, all right, well let's see where do I start.
I'll start.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I have been a register nurse for twenty.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Eight years and in the cannabis industry for about eight
now my journey. I think when you talk to anybody
in cannabis, especially a medical professional, typically they have a
personal story that got them started in looking into the
science behind cannabis, and that's what happened with me. So
eight years ago, I was still a non believer in
(06:45):
cannabis as medicine. I actually voted against it when it
was up for adult use here in Colorado. Wow, I know,
I know, and I'm very open about saying that transparent
because I was working nurse in hospitals and believe the propaganda.
I believed what they were saying that there was no
(07:07):
medicinal value to cannabis, and it never worked for me
personally when I was in my youth, and so I thought, well,
you know there's there's no science, then you know it's
there's no use for it. So I voted against it.
And then eight years ago, my brother in law was
suddenly diagnosed with stage four lung cancer and given two
(07:29):
to five years to live. We were extremely devastated, and
so he's actually in California, and my sister said, well,
you know, we're privileged enough to be able to go
to some of the top researchers in California, USC, UCI,
(07:51):
and UCLA, and one of them, at a female researcher
at USC said, you know, we'll look at cannabis, but
we look at it as a last day effort because
we don't know anything about it. So when she told
me that, I said, you know what, I'll look into
it because it's so popular here in Colorado. Everybody's talking
about it, they're voting for it. It passed, you know,
(08:14):
and it's you know, used medicinally here. Let me look
into the validity of this plant. So I went to
all of our typical resources that any clinician would look at,
you know, PubMed Science, direct, National Institute of Health, you
know where we look for the black and white science.
And when I started looking, I was shocked and actually
(08:36):
angered that there is so much science that shows promise
with this plant. That I started saying, Okay, how can
I learn more? So, as a medical professional, even eight
years ago as a nurse, I had to just go
deep online and try to find where there were courses
that I could take to teach me cannabinoid therapeutics or
(08:57):
cannabinoid science. So I did that and I found resources
like the American Cannabis Nurses Association who offered a class
a course at that time called the Medical Cannabis Institute.
I took the first courses for medical professionals and that's
where I started my journey. And so doing that, I
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could start trying to help educate my sister and my
brother in law on the value of cannabis and integrating that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Wow. Wow, wow wow, so much to unpacked there.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, so a little bit what I learned is I found,
like you just spoke of the experts in this industry,
and the one that I found was doctor Bonnie Goldstein.
And she, I said, oh, she is top I can
tell from all the science, and she's in California with you.
So I made an appointment and I said, I am
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taking you. I am flying to California. I am taking
you to doctor Bonnie gold Wow, and we are going
to have an appointment in that time eight years ago.
You know, she's a pediatric physician, but she was seeing
adults as well. So thankfully I was able to get
him in with her and there started his journey. So
we are eight years now and he is healthy, he's
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doing every normal thing you would do, and he's still
taking his cannabis. They don't know why his kine's inhibitor are.
This drug that was supposed to only last I believe
it was eighteen months has now lasted eight years. And
so Wannie guided him on what to use, and then
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here we are eight years later and he's still with us,
healthy as ever.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, You're amazing, and I no, you are.
You really cannot be understated. I cannot tell you how
many people family members included that I have tried to
get to try to get in to see Bonnie Goldstein
and they resist, They just resist and and and and
(11:11):
you know, justifiably so because of the the stigmas deep
you're a convert, You're a I call you a cannabis convert.
And those those are the vast right, We're gonna we're
gonna move the mountain and push it over the line
to be rescheduled, because uh, I too, am a cannabis convert.
(11:31):
I was a child of dare. I went to law school.
This was never on the table. This is it's a felony, right,
it's the devil's weed. And and and like you, I
I really wasn't aware of any medicinal value and being
misinformed as well. I thought it really was either something
(11:57):
that was dangerous and abused recreationally or an end of
life drug last resort, which is such such a shame.
It's well, your your brother in law is your brother
in law right?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's now did he take it as an adjunct therapy
with traditional oncology treatments or how did how did that go?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yes? So, and that's that's exactly where the fear is.
You know, how do I introduce this? Can I introduce this?
So he was able to take it, and he still
does with his pharmaceuticals, so with his oncology medication. Okay,
so he was in a study program. He couldn't use
cannabis at the time because he was in a study program,
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so that you have to be very careful with that.
They don't want anything interfering. But that didn't The immunotherapy
did not work for him, actually threw him into liver failure.
So he was kicked out of the He was actually
kicked out of the study. And that's when we were saying,
let's introduce cannabis, and started introducing cannabis. So that's my
journey of how I started with, you know, teaching and
(13:16):
showing him and I firmly believe I wish there was
some way I could put a pocket nurse, a nurse
in everyone's little pocket, because they were able to pull
me out and say, what can we do? How do
we navigate this system? We don't understand healthcare, And then
you're telling us about cannabis, and I was able to
(13:36):
talk to them about dispensaries, how to purchase everything that
I was trying to absorb and learn at the same time.
So and that's kind of how you know, I evolved
in becoming a cannabis nurse at a clinic and seeing
that not most people you know are having trouble affording
the out of pocket cost for a physician's appointment, and
(13:59):
also just to even know if cannabis would be suitable
for them. So that's how I got started starting the
nonprofit Leaf for one one because I wanted everyone, anyone,
no matter what your financial ability is, no matter if
you have a smartphone or a landline, to be able
to call Leaf for one one and get free guidance
(14:19):
if you needed free guidance. And it's kind of it's
grown from there.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Wow wow wow wow. Well You're remarkable on so many levels.
I mean a whole other episode. We can have attorneys
on and we could talk about I'm still blown away
and I'm thrilled that you are not for profit organization,
But at the same time, my heart bleeds for you
(14:45):
because I'm not for profit organizations. How are they funded?
They're funded with government grants And as long as this
is a Schedule one and federally illegal, how has that
impacted you're funding from the government.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, we don't. We can't apply for government We have
to rely on foundations and individual giving. And you know,
just to give you a little glimpse into the struggles
we have, we probably apply for about I don't know
twelve grants last year and got zero because a lot
of foundations are very concerned with their other donors and
(15:23):
how they feel about cannabis. So even though we do
not touch the plant and we state that everywhere we're
education only, they still say, well, it's still uncomfortable for us.
Or you have the word cannabis on your website, so
that's a problem. You have a cannabis leaf on your website.
That's been a problem. All these little things. So even
(15:45):
though we're licensed medical professionals talking about safe use, safe consumption.
We still do not get grants.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And not only that, the wealth of anecdotal evidence that
you have and that you can offer and impair evidence,
I mean human studies. Look your brother in law, case
in point. It's it's so frustrating, it's so frustrating, but
we just have to, you know, continue to to to
(16:15):
make people aware. The initial reaction is cannabis, no and no,
but we're hoping to reshape that your mission. Knowledge is power.
That's why this is just say no with a kk
and OW. We want people to know, guys, this is
not a knee jerk. You can't just say no. I
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mean you can, but there's it's so underutilized, and God forbid,
you don't have to wait until you're in a place
where western medicine just doesn't have a solution, which often happens.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
So right, and that's where cannabis can lead is really
giving you hope. And that's what we provide is hope
that there's an alternative. You know, you're struggling. You know,
people are struggling with pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And ironically, ironically I saw wonderful ted talk. It was
a family practitioner internist to studying cannabis now, and he
was talking about it doesn't only give you hope, but
the paradox is, because it's so still a schedule one,
it gives you control. Because if you're in a state
(17:32):
that where it's legal, you have control by walking into
a dispensary that has more of an old apothecary. Feel
you're not waiting for the doctor to phone in the
prescription to the corporate place. It's it's that control over
and learning how to dose it.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Apparently there are studies that that helps patients. Would would
you say, clinically you've seen.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That, yes. I mean, one thing that I'm really telling
callers every day is that over the last decade, there's
been over thirty five thousand scientific papers published on National
Institutes of Health pub MET. So when you think about
that number over thirty five thousand and ten years, last
(18:20):
ten years, just the last ten years, that you know,
when someone says, oh, there's I'm sure you heard this,
there's not enough science. I mean, that's all the time,
all the time. That's the repeater language. That's what people
who don't want to take the time to actually look
just continue repeating, and its false information.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And it's dangerous information. And it's not based on thirty
five ten decades. It's not based on ten years of
thirty five studies. It's based on eighty years of propaganda.
And you know that's a whole other story. But I'm
(19:01):
just curious. Was your brother in law in Colorado as well?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
No, California, and that's all Californy.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, And that's where all right? Well, uh, you know,
we're twenty minutes into the show and I'm in California,
and in California it's for twenty So Catherine, you're gonna
be on the hot seat. We're gonna this is the
part of the show where for twenty we ask our
(19:29):
guests to drop a knowledge bomb. So are you ready
to drop a knowledge bomb for us?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Let me have it?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
All right? Well, and keeping well what we were discussing
to anyone out there that is hesitant about using cannabis
or who's genuinely afraid this misinformation, it is repeat language
and that sticks, and they're genuinely afraid to even suggested
(19:58):
to a loved one, where you suggested it to your
brother in law. But there are people who would really
be afraid to even do that due to the stigma
or the fear. What would you say to them if
they had you in their back pocket or today right
now on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I would say. What we tell people a lot
that are nervous and fearful of cannabis is start with
the topical, because a topical you can actually feel something happening,
typically if you have arthritic pain or you have joint pain,
just even putting it on, and even if you felt nothing,
but that nothing tells you that it's not scary. And
(20:40):
that's where we like someone to start wrapping their mind
around that cannabis is not scary.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Interest. So even if they even if they don't have
a positive result, yes, as long as they don't have
a negative one, correct ah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's what we tell and we tell them even
if it's something that they take orally, if you what
we call is start sub therapeutic, and everybody knows the
hot term microdose. If you start so low, we tell
everyone such with a tiny little piece of the gummy.
You know, we recommend always cutting something in fourths or
(21:21):
eighth because even though we know you're not going to
feel anything, that's okay because now you start getting comfortable,
like oh, why didn't even feel anything? Well, great, now
you know it's not scary. Now you know that you
can start climbing up. So even if a topical doesn't
feel anything right away, it's just getting them comfortable to
(21:42):
try something.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I love it. That's wonderful, wonderful advice. See, I always
I tend to set expectations too high and psyche myself out,
and I say, oh, what if it doesn't work? So
I'm not going to recommend a topical to a family
member that needs maybe more. But you know what, no
(22:04):
baby steps, It's okay, recommend the topical. One they might
get some kind of a benefit, and two as long
as they don't have an adverse effect.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Right allah, then you go to the next step, go
to the next step.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Very very very very smart. Well, you know you were brave.
Though you were brave, you were brave to even bringing
it up to a family member. So I would say
to people, do it, because you'll regret if you didn't.
And God forbid, Western medicine no longer has something to work.
(22:46):
It's what happened for me. I gotta tell you a
funny story real quickly, and how I started Green Bay life.
I am a back paining, chronic back pain sufferer for
over four decades. I had a horrific catastrophic car accident
after my first year of law school. I had a
massive spinal surgery that failed that left me worse than
the car accident for four decades, four massive spinal surgeries,
(23:13):
hardware that I don't you know, I can't even describe.
Cannabis was not on the table for me, and I
could be pretty formidable, So people did not recommend it
because I used to just say, now I know. But
(23:36):
I had a seventeen year old failing dog, and I
had a publicist who said, why don't you try cannabis.
I had such a visual response I couldn't. I was
ashamed of myself. I bit her head off. I said, well,
why don't we just give her arsenic? And then I
(23:58):
called myself it was that much, and I realized, why
am I being so harsh? Because interestingly, that was at
the same time about eight years ago. It was twenty
sixteen when Prop sixty four was on the ballot in California,
and I, unlike you as much as I didn't understand cannabis,
(24:19):
I was gonna vote for Prop sixty four, and I
was immediately. You know, people who know me know the
bark is worse than the bite. So she pushed back
and said, but aren't you voting to legalize it. I
was like, I caught myself. I got a look at this.
I don't know why I'm having that response. I mean,
(24:39):
the dog is in so much pain and the only
way western medicine knows to stop that pain was a
very permanent solution that I wasn't ready to take. So anyway,
that's what opened my eyes. So guys, anyone out there,
if someone suggests sit to you and you are against it,
(25:05):
try to just com a just approach it with curiosity.
Why would this person who cares for me be suggesting it?
Would you say that's good advice, Catherine Nurse.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Captain, Absolutely, absolutely, that's great advice is just to try it.
But you know, kind of pointing back to what my
mission is is providing a service that anyone can reach,
so that way you have that trusted guidance. And like
you said in that great intro, you know, nurses have
(25:37):
been voted the most trusted professional. I think in twenty
three years now, it's either twenty two or twenty three
number one trusted professional. And that's because we give you
both sides of it. Here are the benefits and here
are the possible challenges or cautions. And now you are
an informed consumer. And that's where we come from, is
(25:57):
informing you. So as long as you're going to someone
who has that guidance and hopefully you know coming to us,
we can guide you there and we can give you
those resources, then that's taking that first step in consuming
safely well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And you know you're coming from informing and both sides,
but you're coming from through an empathic lens, not just
the clinical one. Let's face it. You know, we need
the clinicians and the scientists who are barely looking at
that and looking at both sides. But nurses have a
level of empathy. I've experienced it firsthand. And what I've
(26:40):
experienced through my journey and opening up to cannabis is
nurses are so much more receptive to wanting to know
about it and my experience with it. We're doctors, you know,
unless you have the good fortune and you seek out
and you call LEA four one one and we'll get
(27:00):
to your directory and your network of medical doctors. But
doctors like Donnie doctors like doctor Bonnie Goldstein their rear,
they're pioneers, they're up and coming here. Her resident training
was in pediatrics, but she'll see adults because there's just
(27:22):
a need for healthcare professionals. And I'm really impressed with
your member directory. Can can you tell us a little
bit about your member directory and the members ranging from
physicians to manufacturers to dispensaries.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Sure. So when I started lead for one one, you know,
I knew I couldn't just offer a phone number, give
guidance and say okay, now go find a great dispensary
or go find a great clinician or an online product.
I needed to give resources. So that's where we go
out and we go to some of the brands that
(27:58):
are vetted. So anyone that you see on our website
is a vetted brand, meaning we've spoke to them, we've
looked at their culture, we've made sure there they align
with us and know that everything is as as transparent
as it can be. So when you have a dispensary
or an online manufacturers, they have to have CoA certificate
(28:20):
of analysis that are available to the public that the
public can ask that they want to see that. So
they know it's in their product, what it's been tested for,
the potency. We make sure that the dispensaries know that
they're going to be patients coming in, even if they're
just an adult use store, that they are really wanting
to see those patients and wanting to help them in
(28:43):
a way that's more warm customer service. We make sure
that the clinicians on our website are some of the
top the leaders in the industry, and we'll have other
resources for them. So that's how we built our resources,
all vetted by our team, making sure that you have
somewhere to go. So we're just not kind of giving
(29:03):
you guidance and then letting you float out there. We
want to point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's what's so impressive. And guys, this is the unique
value proposition here with LEE four one one, And I
haven't found it anywhere else. And I look, and as
soon as I find something I'm excited about, I love
to share it. Because I had a doctor of pain
management of physiatrists who had said to me at one point,
have you tried marijuana? And I was desperate enough with
(29:32):
my back and I had seen the results. I had
a favorable outcome with my dog, thank god.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
And.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I was open. So I said where how And this
was my pain management doctor, a medical doctor and MD,
who said, oh, I don't. I don't know. I just
have some patients who have tried it. I think they
grow their own. I don't know where they get it,
and it's helped them. And then I said, well grow
(30:03):
your own. And I was immediately, you know, overwhelmed, said
do you have to smoke it? She said no, no,
and I don't recommend smoking for lung health. They make
a topical. I said, they grow a plant and make
a topical. That wasn't very I mean, it just shows
(30:23):
why we need Leaf four to one one. And you're
a unique value proposition that you connect the dot. So
I do enough. To tell somebody to do something, you
have to give them the resources to do it. Finding
the resources. Guys, don't beat yourself up. If you have
a family member or you're looking yourselves and you feel
like you're hitting a brick wall. Help us here. We've
got Catherine, We've got Leaf four to one one. She's
(30:46):
got an incredible network of positions and nurses and so
anyone listening that's like, wow, I want to get in
touch with you. I want to talk to Lee for
one one. I have questions. How can they reach out?
How can they find reach for one one?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, so you can go to our homepage leafour one
one dot org. On that homepage, there's a big white
button that says click here that takes you straight to
our scheduling software, so you can schedule an appointment right there.
Anyone can call our hotline. That was what I first started.
I had so many people saying, oh, why aren't you
starting with an app you know, and I said, no,
(31:29):
I'm going to go O G. I'm going to go
with the eight hundred phone line because I wanted anyone
to be able to call people who don't have smartphones,
people who you know, are unhoused. I've had people that
were in the middle, not not even kidding. Within the
first year, we had somebody who was on his ranch
(31:49):
and he could only get service out in the fields,
and he called us to ask about how to use cannabis.
And that's what really, you know, proved that. That's why
I wanted to have this number first. So that is
a free hotline number will always be free. That's for
quick questions. How do I get a medical card.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
You know, how do I.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Schedule an appointment? And then we've grown our programming to
now be thirty minute guidance calls. We're growing it again
the first of February to be forty five minute guidance calls.
We ask for a donation twenty five dollars, but if
somebody can afford that, no problem. They just leave us
a message on our hotline saying I need a free call.
(32:31):
But that's part of what those resources are on our directory.
Those companies see the value and educated consumers, so they
actually give to lead four to one one so we
can provide free calls to everybody. They have special codes.
So that's the only way we can keep our lights
on and our doors open is because the cannabis industry,
(32:55):
those brands have said, you know what, we want to
give to you monthly to ensure that the service stays alive.
And well, it's not a struggle, but we're we're doing
it and we're in our six year now.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's it's I know, I know, I feel the pain.
And then I noticed on your website that's what you
were referring to. Is that belief for one one affordability
program for people who have financial hardships.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
The Affordability Program is a program we started a couple
of years ago. That one has been put on pause.
But everyone gets a free call that needs a free
call that is never part of any program. That's just given.
If someone needs that, they don't have to be a
part of a program. They just simply leave on the
hotline and says I need a free call, I need help.
Great we have. We tell them that they can call
(33:48):
any of the directory participants and those are their supporters,
and they will give them their free code as well
to call Leaf for one one. It's a coupon code
that they schedule appointment. But we make sure we help everyone.
We do live by donation, so that's important to like
I said, keep the lights on and the door is open,
(34:10):
is through donations because as we spoke about earlier, it's
incredibly hard for us to get a grant.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yes and uh.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yes, so we.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Need just being and that that's what's amazing with you
because you don't only combined health sciences and an expertise
in cannabis, but you're also an advocate as well. And
it's it's going to take a village and it's it's
going to take educating folk and offering people resources to call,
(34:43):
even if they can't afford to, because once people understand it,
all politics are local, and once people understand it and
demand it, then it will go up the chain, although
remains to be seen. With the new administration, it's going
to do with at least rescheduling, But as long as
(35:04):
it's on a schedule one, it's virtually impossible to make
money at this The states and the government are making
the money, but well meaning brands are not. And I'm
heartened that the brands who are doing it right and
going to try to survive legalization and self police and
(35:28):
do their own pay the price of compliance, because what
this legal ambiguity does it leaves the door open for
not well meaning companies to come in, which really makes
it even more confusing. So the companies that are doing
it right and self policing, being compliant, if they can
(35:50):
hang on and survive legalization, that's who you want to support.
And I'm glad that they're supporting you, because it starts
with the educational platforms, the boots on the ground, the
nurses in the pocket, the digital leaf for one one
which is your digital nurse in a pocket and if
(36:13):
anyone wants to support Leaf for one one, they can
go to leaffo one dot org. And you do have
an area to donate, correct.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yes, we have an individual giving page where anyone can
go and donate anything from one dollar on up. And
then we also have our business memberships. We're hoping and
we would love more industry brands to come and support us.
I mean, that's what we would love is having We
do have some supporters from California. Urban Joy is a
(36:45):
delivery service in California and they support us, so we
have them all over and we would we need more
to survive. So whether you're a brand, or you know somebody,
or maybe you go to a favorite dispense we tell
people that all the time. They say how can we help,
Say go to your favorite dispensary, go to your favorite brand,
(37:06):
and say please support Lee for one one, Because that's
how I came to you, being an informed consumer and
knowing what to buy when when I walk in the door,
you know, and and buying smart and buying safely. So
that's why we really encourage the industry to want to
support us, and you know, we need more.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We absolutely do and that is great advice for brands.
I'm on the Marketing and Advertising Committee of the National
Cannabis Industry Association. Guys, you'll be getting a phone call
for me. We've got to get behind Lee for on one.
It's it's I say it all the time. As an industry,
we're we're we're going to succeed together or we're going
(37:53):
to fail individually. And it starts with educating the public.
We have to not only educate them. You know, at
the end of prohibition you can educate people about alcohol
and the difference between beer and wine. This isn't just
an end of prohibition. This is decades of misinformation and
(38:14):
stigma and paranoia. And so listen, guys, stay tuned because
in Supportingly for One, I want to throw a quick
word about them. And when we come back, Catherine's going
to share consumer insights and tips on cannabis and how
(38:35):
it relates to the opioid use and elder care.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Whether you're brand new to cannabis or a longtime user,
we know you have questions and Leaf for one one
is here to help. Leaf for one One is a
nonprofit that provides free or low cost cannabis education through
our nurse guidance services that can answer your health related
questions like the benefits of CBD versus THHC, potential prescription interactions,
and the best way shows for pain, sleep and anxiety.
(39:02):
Get your questions answered today call us to speak with
a cannabis nurse, or visit our website to schedule your
call and find ways to support this much needed public service.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Hey, welcome back. You're listening to Just Say No on
KCAA Radio ten fifty am one oh six point five FM.
I'm Maria Calibery Sure host and I am joined here
with Catherine Golden, who is a registered nurse and cannabis expert,
where we're discussing trending questions about how to consume cannabis
(39:37):
safely and responsibly to enhance your well being. Catherine is
the founder of Lee for to one one, which began
with the first ever cannabis nurse hotline. So, Catherine, I
wanted to talk to you a little bit about I
really appreciated the free Opioid Guide. I mean, there's so
(40:00):
many there's a plethora of resources on your site, but
can you speak to us a little bit about opioids and.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yes, yes, yeah, I would love to So a company
called Puff Creative and Ninth Blocks, and both marketing companies said,
you know what, we really need to publish an opioid
awareness guide and came to us and was wonderful and
wanted to put some data, some information from the CDC
about opioids and overuse and misuse, and then cannabis and
(40:33):
how cannabis can be integrated into your pharmaceutical regimen and
start helping to replace some of the heavy use of opioids.
And that's what we talk about in this opioid Awareness
Guide is the different types of pain. And gosh, when
I Maria, when I started the hotline, I was the
only one on the calls. I started it by myself
(40:55):
and I'm like, oh call so I know. That's how
passionate I was about it. I'm like, I got to
be a pocket nurse for everybody. And it was heartbreaking
to hear that there is so much physical and mental
pain happening across the country. And that's our number one topic.
It's physical and mental pain. So people are just looking
(41:17):
for another solution, another alternative, So they want to know,
like how can I soften the pain just to get
through daily activities? And reduce my opioid juice, and that's
very safe to do with cannabis. And that's another one
of those kind of repeater misinformation that some physicians or
(41:37):
nurse practitioners or pas or any clinician might use that
doesn't really want to look at the science and just says, oh,
there's not enough science and or I don't think it's
safe to combine the two. That's absolutely not true. It's
incredibly safe, and you can start reducing your opioids with
your prescribers guidance. Once you start learning and seeing that
(41:58):
the science is there that cannabis is very effective for pain,
you have to know which ratios would be best. And
once you learn that is what's something we can teach,
what the nurses only four one one can teach, then
you know how you can use it in conjunction with
your regimen. And with pain typically comes with inflammation and
(42:22):
then the pain receptors. And what the number one thing
people are taught is that CBD helps with inflammation and
THHD touches those pain receptors. So when you put both together,
then you've got your gold standard. And that's usually what
people start saying, oh, you need a one to one
CBD THHD ratio, and that's a good starting point, and
(42:43):
we start giving just some of those little tidbits of
guidance to say, Okay, here's where you start. Here's a
good ratio, and this is why CBD is great for pain,
and this is why THHD is great for pain, and
this is why they're great. They're even better together and
why you should you them together. And now we've got
even minor cannabinoids like CBG that's great for neuropathic pain
(43:06):
and neuropathy some people know it as neuropathy that they
get from using from if they've been an ecology patient.
So all kinds of different forms of pain. And then
there's mental health pain, and what we can use, which
is fantastic for mental health pain is the CBD, which
helps kind of balance the body and bring a relaxation
(43:28):
to the body, helps decrease anxiety. So there's just so
much we can go into, and that's why I recreated
the Opioid Awareness Guide, so just to give you the
starting information that it is, Cannabis is safe to use,
and we wish it was a first line medicine versus
a last line medicine and that's kind of what we
advocate for is, you know, it's really safe to try
(43:49):
cannabis because there's very few receptors in the brainstem, so
you cannot There's no lethal dose of cannabis. So somebody
could take an entire canister gummies and eat that accidentally
and they won't go into cardiac rest. They won't have
a respiratory depression like you can with opioids. It's just
not possible.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, we'll have another another episode. But my last final surgery,
which was in January of twenty twenty, right before COVID,
I did not wake up. Yeah, what did you call it?
Opioid respiratory respiratory depression. I went from the recovery room
(44:39):
to a critical clear care unit to pretty scary stuff.
Pretty scary stuff, and it's real. It's real. So what
are some of the kinds of conversations you're having with
people who call in who are relying on opioids or
(45:00):
what kind of questions are they or concerns are you
hearing surrounding trying cannabis.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well, the number one question is how do they how
can they start cannabis and start reducing the amount of
opioids they consume and that's where we start. So one
thing we always like to enforce is you never want
to just throw away your prescription medicine. It's just start cannabis.
It's not you know, the one product you can take
(45:27):
and it cures all. And that's what a lot of
people that's another misconception. You want to integrate them together,
use them synergistically.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Is there a danger of interaction?
Speaker 4 (45:38):
No, so there's no. So this is this is another
little tidbit that a lot of people are really nervous
about drug to drug interactions. Yeah, can I Can I
take cannabis with X, Y or Z prescription? The answer
is almost always yes. It's just dose dependent. It depends
(46:01):
on the dose of cannabis you take. When we get
concerned about the amount of cannabis you take, it's usually
in the triple digits. Oh, you're taking one hundred milligrams
of CBD a day, two hundred three hundred, then there's
a concern. But when you're taking the doses that are
over the counter suggest in serving size ten milligrams, twenty milligrams,
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there's never a concern for a drug to drug interaction
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