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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to Just Say No, where we
shine a light on cannabis with clarity, curiosity, and a
commitment to credible conversation, spotlighting the people and products shaping
the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria Calabrey's and
you're listening on KCAA Radio ten fifty AM, one O
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six point five FM, or wherever you tune in for
your podcast. Hey, today, we're turning the top the dial
back people. We're turning it back to all the way
back to the seventies, and we're turning into a whole
new wave of cannabis curiosity, this time from the generation
who helped spark it in the first place. We're calling
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this episode fifty is the new four to twenty because
baby boomers are blazing the comeback, not out of rebellion,
before relief, restoration and reconnects. And I'm old enough to
remember seeing the first Terminator hit theaters back in eighty four.
Wartzenegger's only be Back Right became iconic, but by the
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sixth movie Let's Be Real, it might as well have
been all my aking back. And while some of us,
especially today's guests, were too young for Woodstock. We definitely
grew up in its glow, where peace, love and a
little Puff Puff pass set the tone for a new
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way of thinking. On screen, Cheech and Chong gave us
our first glimpse of cannabis through clouds of smoke and punchlines.
Back then it was more of a joke than a
wellness prescription. And who remembers the Love Boat right? Friday
Nights with the Love Boat are weekly cruise into escapism,
romance and umbrella drinks. Now and instead of my ties
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and Captain Strubing, we've got dispensaries, microdosing mints, and box
soaks made from full spectrum CBD. It's not about going back,
it's about coming full circle, and this time with intention.
And that's exactly why so many of us are coming
back to cannabis, not to relive the past, but to
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reclaim our well being. Before we dive in, let's clear
up a little cannabis code. Why four twenty The story
starts in nineteen seventy one with a group of five
high school friends in sam Rafael, California, who called themselves
the Waldos. Now, legend has it that every day after
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school at four twenty sharp they meet by a statue
of Lewis Pistar, spark one up and hunt for a
rumored hidden cannabis crop. Now why were they hunting for
this and not just growing their own? Tintin spoiler alert.
One of the topics of today's show. Rumor has that
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one of the brothers back in the seventies was a
little too paranoid to grow his own. We're going to
continue to talk about that in a bit. But they
never found the stash, but what they did find was
a legacy. Their inside joke became an afterschool ritual and
with a little help from the Grateful Dead and High
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Times magazine four twenty, became a global code for cannabis culture.
Fast forward to today, and cannabis is no longer a
secret handshake. It's a symbol of connection, creativity, and community.
According to recent research, cannabis use among adults sixty five
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and older has tripled in the past decade, making baby
boomers and seniors one of the fastest growing groups of
cannabis consumers in the US. As the late Great Carl
Sagan once said, cannabis helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity,
and fellowships, so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and
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dangerous world. And today, oh that serenity and insight is
growing in backyards, garden beds, and window boxes thanks to
women like my guest. Returning to the show is Penny Barthel,
author of The Cannabis Gardener, who's on a mission to
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bring peace, purpose, and plants back into our homes and routines.
Also joining us is doctor Emily Gogel, founder of Grow
It from Home, a scientist turned gardener, making cannabis cultivation
as easy and normal as growing tomatoes. We'll leave the
science to her. She's got us covered. Will explore the
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healing power of gardening, how older adults are reclaiming cannabis
as part of their wellness journey, and why growing your
own is one of the most empowering things you can do,
no matter your age. So whether you're growing your first
seed or lighting your first joint in decades, you're not
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late to the party. Let me tell you something, Yeah,
right on time.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
By twenty twenty, Bank of America and Merrill Lynch estimate
that will grow to thirty five billion dollars, and many
experts believe it could eventually reach two hundred billion. Dollars
each and every year.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Your roses.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Rosson.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm a betterfy who has to me begone, taking me
a while to get it, had to live and cry,
to appreciate your life and let you give his words
when you're holding me here, when you hold me so close,
someone better and under your skin. I want to leave
the MiG so that I can be sure that you
remember what's been Welcome back and thank you for joining
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us here. On, just say no, hey, before we jump
into the garden with our guests. I'm going to bring
them on their backstage. Let's take a moment to remember
where we've been. Because the path to legal canvas it
wasn't paved and pot leaves and good vibes For me,
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baby boomers, Cannabis wasn't just controversial, it was criminal. We
grew up under the shadow of refer madness with its
fear based messaging and cartoonish portrayals of cannabis turning teenagers
into monsters. I don't know that they needed cannabis for that,
but anyway. Then came the War that couldn't be Warm Drugs,
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launched by the Nixon administration in the seventies, which disproportionately
targeted communities of color. It fueled mass incarceration, and it
solidified this stigma surrounding this poor plant. But in spite
of it all, this plant survived behind closed doors, in
garage grow rooms and tucked inside record sleeves. Cannabis culture
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lived on in headshops, in secret stashes and whispers passed
between friends. Fast forward to today, and boomers aren't just
revisiting cannabis. Let me tell you, they're redefining it. Many
are turning to cannabis for plant based relief from arthritis,
chronic pain, anxiety, and sleep disorders, trading in prescriptions for topicals, tinctures,
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and low dose edibles. As noted in a recent Emerald
Magazine article, Throughout history, cannabis has powered creativity, resilience, and
even royalty, from warriors to wise elders. This plan has
always had a place, and that place it's now on
dispensary shelves, in self care routines, and yes, in beautifully
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curated backyard gardens. Cannabis today is infused into everything from
skink care to sparkling beverages, and it's no longer just
about getting hot. It's about getting well, boomers may have
entered cannabis culture through rebellion, but they're returning with purpose,
intention and a whole new vibe. And speaking of vibes,
let's bring in two women who are just phenomenal and
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they're doing their part of this evolution. They're actively cultivating it.
So we're gonna bring in We're gonna be talking with
Penny Barthel, author of The Cannabis Gardner, and Emily Gogel,
founder of Growth from Home, for a grounded and empowering
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look at how cannabis is changing from the roots up.
So Petty, Emily, welcome, Welcome were having us, Well, thank
you for being here. We've got so much to discuss.
So on the topic of fifty being the new four
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to twenty, maybe I'm gonna start with Emily. Emily, tell
me what your first memory of cannabis was.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I'll say I come from California, super liberal family. Everything
was discussed and open, and as a consequence, in high school,
my experience with cannabis was like, I don't have time
for that. That is something my friends do after school
and they go hang out a taco bell and they
are wasting their time. I have the SATs to study for,
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and I don't want to have anything to do with that.
You know, they're dopey, you know, and even though they
are my friends, and I think that attitude really came
from seeing how they use cannabis and also it not
being this illicit thing. You know. It was talked about
in my household along with other things, and it was
like not a big deal. It was always be safe
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and be careful who you get into a car with,
you know, kind of thing. And that's just how I
viewed cannabis. That was kind of my first experiences with
the plant. So it really wasn't until much later in
life that I rediscovered it for cannabis, for what it
can be in many different ways to help people and
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to be part of their lives. So I that was
my first kind of introduction to cannabis.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So, M how about you, Panny, do you you remember
your first memory of cannabis? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I sure do. I mean, I was I'm a I'm
a gen xer, and so for me, cannabis was something
that Cheech and Chong did. I thought it was hilarious,
but it was very foreign. I was in a pretty
straight laced home and I knew about these you know,
intriguing people in junior high in high school, we call
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them stoners, and they would go do stuff. They were
sort of, you know, exotic creatures in some respect. I
had some interaction with them, but not a whole lot.
I tried weed a little bit when I was in
high school, but that was sort of it for me,
and I got a you know, as i've I've come
to cannabis later on in life. It was like a
very different experience. I was really confused about why it was.
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I had these ideas, but all throughout junior high, in
high school in particular, Man, that was just at beginning
the Reagan era and the War on drugs was in
full force, So it was it really did a number
on my on my attitude about it. So I'm a
little older than Emily, and it was not an open discussion.
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It was just something that other people did, and it
was not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That they did, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I'm a little older than.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yep, I'm a little older than you guys, and I'm
a recovering Catholic. So none of this was on the table.
And I remember those Nixon era days and the Vietnam
War protest and a lot of the the making you
a schedule one in a felony was convenient because then
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the hippies couldn't vote who were protesting the war, because
if it's a felony, you can't vote crazy crazy crazy.
And it's interesting though, because you're perspectives they shifted, and
you know, you obviously view it very differently now. So
how do you see cannabis differently now? And what challenges
do you think older adults who were indoctrinated with all
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this stigma face in terms of accessing or understanding today's
legal cannabis environment. And Penny, I'd like to start with
you and then bring Emily in.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, of course. I mean this is the heart of
what I teach in with my classes at Wondering about
wheed here in the Bay Area. A lot of adults
enjoyed cannabis when they were in high school or college
in the seventies and eighties, and it was fun and
it was just for pleasure. Now they're older, they might
have some health concerns or just they want to try
it again, but they don't know what to do because
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it changed for them. It's come out of this War
on drugs. Everybody had the mental constract that cannabis is bad,
it's not something to do, but now they want to
try it. So the biggest thing, you know, when I
was growing up and those who are a little older
than I, we had a number done on us. We
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were told stories, and the story was drugs are bad
and cannabis is a really bad drug. It's on Schedule one.
It wasn't an obvious story. No one actually said those
words to me, but I got the message. It was
not something good. But now we're having to retrain ourselves
with a new message. As cannabis comes out of prohibition
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and there's these fabulous stories called dispensaries. People have to
sort of hold two stories in their heads at the
same time. One is cannabis is a terrible drug and
it's going to hurt you, and the other is cannabis
is a gentle herb and it can really help you.
So that's probably I think the biggest challenge for older
adults is getting rid of the old story and writing
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a new story about this plant in their heads. I
know I had to do that, and my current journey
in canabis was really helping a friend put some cannabis
plants in her garden so that she could help a
friend of hers who had cancer, and so it was
sort of an interesting way for me to re enter
this world of cannabis. I'm glad I did in that regard,
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and now I'm just I fell headlong in love with
this plant and.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's a very powerful why. And we're going to get
the workshops that you teach on growing. Do you think
growing your own helps with changing that narrative introducing people
to the plant backyard gardeners, Oh, for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Because it recontextualizes the plant. The plant itself tells its
story to me. It says, look at me, I'm not
a dangerous, horrible drug that's going to mess up your life.
I'm a beautiful plant that grows in your garden. And
once you get to know the plant for itself and
then you get to experience the benefits from it. Oh,
No one needs to tell you another thing. The plant
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tells you its story regard. It's a wonderful way to
learn about cannabis is to grow it.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm gonna bring Emily in on the topic of growing
it because that is definitely her Ali. You introduced it
to me Emily. I was fascinated when I met you
and knew you as a scientist. But then tell us
a little bit about your mission about I mean kind
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of the why why should people grow it at home?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, Marie, there are so many reasons.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'll just say the kind of why of my mission
is during my PhD, I helped build public parks and
community gardens, So I'm really an urban egg advocate, food access,
public green spaces kind of person. And then I moved
and started this cannabis farm, and folks from all over
the country were getting in touch with me saying, hey,
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how do I grow this plant? There's so much bad
information on the internet. Why is it so unlike gardening
anything else? And as a scientist and a backyard gardener
and someone who just wants to help people get access,
I think it's silly they don't have access. I was like,
oh my gosh, I have to help these people. So
my why and mission is really to help just people
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get what they need. I listen to what they need,
and people needed seeds that were high quality and produced
either CBD, ORC or both, and that.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Were quality garden plants.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know, just like when you grow a sand Marzano
tomato that you picked up at your local garden shop.
When you grow your afternoon punch cannabis plant, you want
it to be just as vigorous and healthy. So I
started getting people gardening as opposed to worrying about the
information on the internet and treating it practically like the
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plant that it is that belongs.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
In the garden. So that's really my why.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And it's just like gardening any other plant when it
comes to the garden, when it come to the laws,
it's a bit different. And when it comes to how
to fetch your body, it's similar to some plants and
different than others. But from a gardening perspective, it's easier
than putting in a tomato plant.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I gotta tell you, your timing is perfect because
we're almost coming into twenty minutes on the shell and
on the top of the fifty being the new four
to twenty, there'll be four to twenty here in LA
And at four twenty, I like to drop a knowledge bomb.
We're gonna take time to have a little quick hit.
So Emily, I'm gonna ask you, is it true someone
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said to me, did you know? Did you know cannabis
is a vegetable, Is that true?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean, I'm not like a food bought in a
special spot. Say, I mean, tear gone isn't a vegetable.
It's it's an herb. It's a flower, and it's a vegetable.
I guess you could say it's all three things.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If you're cooking the leaves, you know, I know folks
that wrap dumple in the leaves, that kind of makes
it a vegetable.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I know folks as herbal medicine.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know, they're using it in their teas, they're using
it in topicals and oils, ingesting the flour itself and recipes.
That's definitely an herb. And it's one hundred percent of
beautiful or smoking it, you know, it's an herb. And
then one hundred percent it's a beautiful flower. My grandmother
not a recovering Catholic, very much a Catholic, very conservative anyway,
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I would after I started my cannabis farm and she
came to visit, She's like, Oh, this smells so good.
If I wore this to mass like the priests would
love it. Raspberry and you know, nectarines, and oh I
love the smell Emily, could I get one of these
for my patio to smell at night.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
You know, your.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Grandmother was not far off, because there are references dating
back to the Bible pain of bossom Hebrew root, cana
for cannabis, bossom for aromatic and some people, I think
grandmas know, wonder what's in that incense in the church.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You know, it can be like many plants, a rose,
you know, like cannabis has smell, has medicinal use, and
you can eat you can eat it, right, you know, cannabis.
You can eat it, you can smell it, you can
use it medicinally. You can treat it like a vegetable,
treat it like an herb. And it's beautiful in your garden.
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It's really so versatile.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
So I really yeah, gardening, it's all about the gardening
part of it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's all a boat. And I love your tobag. It
says you grow tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, and hamp and well,
where do you stand vegetable fruit herb? What is it?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'm going to call this a culinary herb. It is
also a medicinal herb. And believe it or not, it's
sort of a beautiful ornamental plant. I wouldn't call it
a vegetable because you don't eat it for nutrition per se,
but for health added. There's no calories in it. You're
not going to get sugars for any you know, anything
like that. But I'm going to call it a culinary herb,
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and it's a medicinal herb. And what there are other
culinary herbs or regulo time that have powerful medicinal properties.
They don't get you high, so we don't sometimes in
our own lexicon, categorize them like that. I love to
enjoy eating cannabis. You got to remember that there's very
low levels of cannabinoids in the leaves. It's really in
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the female flower buds. It's the only place you're going
to find the cannabinoids, whether they're in the acid form
or not, in the flower bud. But you know, here's
a hot tip. You can take those little tiny leaves
and chop them up real fine and a schiff an
od and throw them on the top like a pasta
dish with fish small amounts. It's going to give it
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a nice fresh, slightly bitter herbal flavor and you will
get some health benefits from it. From the raw or
the acid form of the cannabinoids, anti inflammatory, they're going
to be pain managing. It's great stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Now, a lot of our listeners who are curious about
it and new to cannabis, especially older adults, they remember
the really rich kind of skunk smell and some people
don't like that. So if you are having the raw
and do what you just suggested, does it have that
strong aroma.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Nope, not at all. So here's thing that happened in
the seventies. It was completely illegal, so we were getting
poor quality, old, oxidized, seedy, weedy lee cannabis that wasn't fresh.
It was being burnt, you know. So it's like a
very different plant when you grow it in your garden.
You got these fabulous new cultivars. Emily's part of the
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forefront of breeders who are breeding for excellence in both
scent and cannabinoids, and they're good, strong grain plants. It's
a very different plant altogether. It doesn't smell like skunk
at all in my garden, the freightrance that I've usually
detected my cannabis. It smells like just fresh, sometimes like
the ocean, like pine, like lenon, often like movemen, like
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strawberries or rods, and all the sense sort of mingle together.
But there is that sharp, wonderful herbal essence kind of
undergirding to all cannabis. But they're not a variety.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Nice and when you talk about the quality, and you
mentioned Emily, it's a perfect segue because Emily, I want
you to explain to everybody when we come back on
our consumer tips and insights about growing from home in
your farm. But we had a wonderful video clip and
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I'd like to throw to it, so here we go.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So grow it from Home provides commercial farmers across the
country with high CBD flower camp plants commercially, and we
offer the same variety of hemp to you as a
backyard garden or if these are commercial farmers, so you're
getting the same tried and true tested the commercial variety headplants,
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but you get to grow them at home as a
backyard gardener. So we've already put the years of research
and development into making nationally known it's called craft flower headplants,
and we're now making them available to you in your backyard,
just like if you were to buy an organical grown
broccoli at your local grocery.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Store.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
These are organically grown us the organic certified headplants, so
we're really proud to be part of that program.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
We try to be excellent stewards.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Of our land.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Were right on the Applegate River in southern organ so
we're very aware of what.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
We're putting into the ground and being good stewards.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
So we have very precise protocols for how to care
for these plants and steward them and the environment that
they're grown in so that they are produced organically.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I've always loved gardening.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Like mom was a little kid, I grow my mom
as part of my chores as a kid in California
and my mom's backyard. It was on my earliest memories
as a little kid having to pull the bits from
underneath the rose bushes.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
And my mom maintained a big flower garden and vegetable garden.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I just grew up being outdoors with her, and I
loved eating the fresh food and I loved being outside
with her and my sister gardening. And when I moved
to San Francisco and started grad school to my PhD
at the University of California, San Francisco. During my PhD,
I had a great time building the public parks and
working with the neighborhood to create these green spaces. And
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when I left San Francisco to come run my farm,
I let everyone know why I.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Was leaving, and I have to say, all the little old.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Bodies in the garden were like, Wow, Emily, I never
thought you'd leave San Francisco to run a pot farm.
But tell me more about CBD and about cannabis. We're
really curious. And I was just so surprised that everyone
came up to me after the announcement and wanted to
talk to me about this forbidden fruit.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I left San Francisco to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Start a commercial tech nursery and I've been working with
farmers for the last few years, and it wasn't until
last year I literally got calls for regular gardeners all
over the US that found me through my commercial website
asking me, Hey, could you send me plants?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
It's okay?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And I was just floored.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I never thought I'd be able to work with backyard
gardeners again. And I love being able to help folks
with this plant. So when you receive your plants, they're
us heriganic curtified. You get a lab result that comes
with your plants showing that it's legally classified as hemp.
That's part of our requirement actually for shipping plants, and
you get a quick Start Guide. So it's a beautiful
one two three quick start guide to help you get
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start with your plants. And we encourage everyone to share
their grow over the season with us on Instagram and Facebook,
and in order to come out with better new varieties
every year, we maintain a research and development program on
the farm, so we're all about trialing, testing, really understanding
how to improve the plant for both commercial farmers and
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for guard gardeners.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And that is how we described growing from a home.
And I love the Quick Start Guide. It's you've got
to read Penny's book. There's no replacing that. The book
is phenomenal, but when you receive those plants, it's you know,
I'm one of those people want to have to put
kids toys together before on Christmas Eve. I don't want
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to read the instructions. I want to read a whole book.
But you got to read the whole book to get
it right. But the Quick Start Guide, you go right
to the Quick Start Guide. She really really gets you
feeling confident and like okay, I could get this plant growing,
bringing you guys back. You know, we've explored the why
behind cannabis garden and how so many seniors are are
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are doing it and they're turning to him. So let's
dig into the house. So, whether you're starting with a
seed or a plant, or even just the sunny patio
and a little curiosity, I want you guys to give
us some trusted tips to help people grow with confidence.
So I think we can start with with Emily. Emily,
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what should people look for when they're buying cannabis seeds
and plants?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So yeah, so cannabis seeds, don't be afraid of them. Okay,
don't be afraid everybody. Cannabis seeds. They're like sunflower seeds,
broccoli seeds, radish seeds. Size wise, they're very similar. There's
a little diagram I just did for people in our classes.
There's so much misinformation on the internet. Start your cannabis
seeds just like your broccoli or your radish. Do not
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follow the you know, no paper towels, no domes, no
heat mats, and we have all this information on our website.
So the first thing is follow good gardening practices. If
you're starting from seed, start them like you would any
other quality garden seeds and Pennies textbook, you know, I
call it textbook, but like it's our textbook for the class. Really,
I do really highly recommend Penny's book. It has such
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fantastic information. It makes a great gift, and it's just
it's practical gardening advice that is a little more cannabis specific.
But just apply good gardening, which is throughout Penny's book,
and you will grow fabulous plants. And then when it
comes you know, in terms of if you don't want
to start seeds, you're the kind of person that's like,
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you know, I buy my plants at the local shop
and then I tuck them into the ground. That's totally
a possibility. You can order plants from us. I would say,
there are some caveats to where you order supplies, and
I can wet Penny chat about that. Our company just
works really hard to make sure that you're getting a
quality product that every year, you know, you grow our
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afternoon Punch, you get Afternoon Punch and it is a vigorous,
super happy, easy to maintain, easy to harvest plants. So
my main thing is like, don't be afraid they are
just seeds like all the other seeds you can get
at the garden shop. If you buy them from us,
they're gonna be quality, high germination rate, and afternoon punch
gives you afternoon punch every time, which is a problem
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in the cannabis industry in terms of quality. So feel
I feel very lucky I can bring quality stuff to gardeners.
The same expectations I have when I buy Sand Marzona
tomato seeds I have for my cannabis seeds too, and
I think everyone should.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
And they're easier to starting tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I love that you call them San Marzano tomatoes because
in my Italian household we just call them gravy tomatoes,
and we call it gravy, not sauce, because we're Italian
East Coast. But yeah, turning to you, Penny, can you
talk to us about giving some tips about how to
find reputable sources and uh talk a little bit about,
(31:02):
you know, tips for older adults or first time gardeners
in terms of container gardening. You know, soil blends.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Water light, so easy to let me just say this.
My book is essentially a garden book, but it's a
garden book about one plant. But here's if you want
to be the best gardener you can, here's all you
need to know. As a gardener, you've got one job
to do. Give the plant what it needs. That's your
whole job. Now, what Emily and I talk about a
(31:34):
lot is well, what does this plant need?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
That's most of what my book is, or half of
it anyway. So what a cannabis is is a tall
summer growing annual. It goes from a seed to a
very and within a couple of months. So you need
to give it number one full sun. You want to
give it big rich soil, So you're going to want
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to use the best quality soil. If you're going to
put it into a container. You can do that in
a raised bed or in ground, but nice quality soil
that has a lot of nitrogen in it, full sun,
and then just keep it watered. That's kind of all
you need to know. So if you are interested in
growing cannabis, you don't need a yard. It's great if
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you have one, but you don't have to have one.
You can grow in a container. So, especially for people
who have limited space or they're not used to lifting
heavy things, no problem. You want a fifteen gallon container.
Grow bag is great ones with handles, and then you're
going to want to use the best quality soil you
can It's called recipe four twenty is my favorite to use.
(32:40):
It's by eb Stone. It's readily available. But if you
can't find that, no problem. Go to your local nursery
and they're going to tell you the right soil to
put into your grow bag. You plant a plant in it. Now,
a plant that is strong and well grown and well
bred seeds is going to make your gardening the easiest
that you can you can do, so you start with
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great genetics because that will determine a lot about not
just what's in the resin at the end of the year,
at the end of the season, but how strong that
plant is going to be, how disease resistant it's going
to be. I don't recommend growing from clones or rooted
cuttings because they have a couple of limitations with them,
So I always recommend growing from seed. It's super easy.
(33:22):
Like Emily said, when you're if you're going to grow
in a garden, a lot of older people know how
to garden good. You are ahead of the game. If
you've gardened, if you've grown a tomato, grown a vegetable garden. Easy,
it's just like growing that. But you need to make
sure you give your cannabis space. So imagine us three
foot wide circle around that plant. That's how much space
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you're going to need to give it. And my hot
tip for growing in ground is to add compost about
a week or two before you actually plant the plant.
Super hot tip worm castings. You want to add worm
castings or well composted chicken or rabbit or or steer manure.
It's gonna give your plant all that it needs to
grow really well throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Uh yeah, I totally, Penny, you are complete. Spot.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
We teach these classes together and it's again everything said Pitt.
It's gardening. So whether you're one hundred years old or
twenty years old, you can grow this plant. It's so
amenable in a container petite ten fifteen gallons.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Or you want to go in the ground. It's what
works for you. Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
There is no limit on your enjoyment in a sense
of this plant. Don't let people tell you, oh, you're
too young, too old, too big, too small, this and
that about growing, about growing cannabis, it is really not fickle, and.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You know, the seeds go a long way. I was shocked.
I didn't believe you. Emily. You gave me a consumer
insight and tip and said, Maria, you only have the
plant one or two, You're gonna be the zucchini lady.
You're you know, giving it away to all your neighbor
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I had a bag with me. I should have brought
a bag over here. You know you're gonna get full
disclosure with my home garden. I am a neglectful, benign
neglect kind of gardener. And having now worked for years
with folks across the country that are somewhat benign neglect
gardeners as well, I can say with data pound to
(35:27):
pound and a half of dried flower, I mean you become, yeah,
the zucchini lady, because you have a pound. It is
like a pound a massive amount of flour. You will
never you know, you buy grams, you know, ounces at
your dispensary. You are now getting pounds of the stuff.
So one plant is for like your whole family, you know,
like it's like an entire bounty.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I was shocked at the I was shocked at the mouth.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, no special stuff, no baby sitting this plant, no elite,
extreme genetics, no pro set up, no optimal environment, batguano,
sunlight by the moon, whatever I mean it is, put
the plant in the ground with the nutrients you refer tomato.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
At the right time of the year, and you walk away.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, what Patty said, just give it what it needs.
Now we're not that mouthing the art and the science
to it, but that's where these ladies have done that
for us. So now you get it delivered to your door.
And for the consumer insights and tips and for more
of those, they offer workshops. So can you tell us
(36:41):
a little bit about the workshops that you give? And
I believe Emily that you even during the season, the
growing season, and at four twenty, you've got a lot
of exciting things that additional events that you do in
Los Angeles. So tell us a little bit about the
workshops where you give them, I know in the Bay area,
(37:04):
in the southern Cali area. Tell us a little bit
about those.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, so they're sponsored by the USDA, And in giving
these workshops with Penny over the last two years, we've
really come to appreciate there's this sort of community celebration
of cannabis that we want to help organize. So in
addition to our gardening workshops and medicinal herb workshops and
DIY edibles classes, we are kind of helping organize Cannabis
Week and the ideas it's an exploration of the plant.
(37:30):
You know, you can go to an event and you
can you know, pick up seeds and get gardening like
that's very fun. But you can also maybe go to
a plant friendly yoga event. Or we're having a pet
parade and wellness market at Benny Boy Brewing on four
to twenty week and on Sunday, and it's about celebrating
wellness and pets getting access to CBD for their various
(37:55):
conditions that are veterinarian approved in a very practical, information.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Based way that sort of helps destigmatize it.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So we're gonna have a big pet parade at a
brewery and have wellness practitioners there answering questions about physical
therapy and massage, and have lots of giveaways. So it
doesn't have to be this in the closet thing. It
doesn't have to be in this dispensary thing. It doesn't
have to be let's just get really stoned and listen
to music or you know, like I mean, parties are great,
(38:25):
but like the idea is that people are using it
and celebrating the plant in so many different ways. And
we're through our workshops learning about all these ways and
we're just trying to help people get access. So we've
got go to Cannabis Week dot org. There's a bazillion
events that are listed. So if you know you're not
into high yoga, but you're into pottery, or you're into
(38:46):
the pet parade, you know, there's lots of different things
to do. There's a big comedy night, like it's just
there's so many things.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And that'll be on Sunday at four five at Benny's
Brewery in Los Angeles and Penny Boy Brewing and you
can meet Emily now to meet Penny, Penny, tell us
a little bit about the workshops that you and Emily
give throughout the year and where they are and.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Emily and I. So when Emily and I teach, we
realize that we're both gardeners. And where do gardeners go
to get stuff? Will they go to nurseries? But until
Emily and I put a couple of intellectual things together
and spoke with one nursery here in the Bay Area.
We convinced them to let us come and give a
(39:39):
class on how to grow cannabis in the garden. It's
in the Bay Area, so people were already doing so
and they knew that, but they also were able to
sell Emily's seeds in the nursery. So Emily and I
have been starting with one and now dozens, twenties twenty
five nurseries. We go to local nurseries and we show
(40:00):
we teach every day gardeners in a nursery setting how
to grow cannabis in the garden. We talk about containers,
raise beds in ground, how to grow, when to grow,
at how tall it grows, how to manage the very
few pests that it might give. People are able to learn,
they're able to buy the soil amendment that they need,
the bags, and most importantly, for the first time ever,
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Emily and I are able to sell her fine quality
seeds in a nursery. Before Emily and I put these
two pieces together, people gardeners would go to a nursery
to buy everything else, and they'd have to go to
a dispense or an an online resource to get seeds,
so we teach in nurseries, which is exactly where we
should be teaching. We've had to tell a lot of
new stories though about this plant. There's a lot of
(40:46):
hesitation in the somewhat conservative nursery world about letting us
come in and teach about this plant. But we've gotten
overwhelmingly positive reception. We've had up to maybe fifty people
at a nursery taught a class two weekends ago. We've
got weekends coming up and they will be teaching in
San Francisco, throughout the Bay Area, and back in Los
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Angeles again. And then here's the cool part. It doesn't
end with growing because Harvest has a whole other section
of classes in the Los Angeles area in the Bay Area,
and you know, our goal is to make this available
throughout the nation. Wouldn't it be cool if we could
get this throughout the entire nation. We've got to get
people growing this garden, maybe this plant in the garden,
(41:30):
and then they're gonna go, wait, this isn't a scary plant.
Those stories that I was told really weren't very true.
And I think that we're going to snowball in the
right direction if we can convince people to grow this
plant in the garden and then they use it. And then,
by the way, come holiday gift time, you're going to
be the most popular gift giver in your whole community.
(41:51):
It is the best thing you could possibly you can
trade for somebody wh's got lemons. Well, guess what you've got.
You've got hot quality home.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Grow And Penny and Emily, we'll start with Penny, what
do you do with this quality homegrown?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
What are some of the things you make with it?
And how do you use it? And Emily, and then
we'll come to you because I know that you've got
uh uh. You have a great dog treat recipe to
add some of the flour, and we even did a
video of that. But Penny, what are some of the
ways that you use it?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
And Yeah, I teach this through another company that I
co founded called Wondering About Weed. We're all about teaching
grown ups how to use cannabis and to enjoy it.
So I like to say that I use cannabis all
day long and I'm rarely stoned. Now let me elaborate
that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
So have you have you that cannabis today? Yes?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Every morning?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
To me too.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Wow, you don't look stone. I'm not. Let me tell
you that One of the things I do with it
is that I make a tincture is just it's just
moving the good stuff in the flower on the cannabis
in alcohol and then you can take it. So every
morning I could take a raw tincture that has both th,
(43:14):
HCA and cbda in it. So that's the first thing
I do, and I'm often to put.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
The row leave in the water. You infuse the water yourself,
the raw.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Cannabis, flower bud all the flower bud flower bud in
alcohol a high alcohol.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
This is where my book has more about gardening. It
also tells you how to make three key extractions. The
first one is in an alcohol based tincture. Super important.
You can precisely dose it. It's available at all times. Second,
my second way that I use cannabis daily is in
a salve. Now, a salve is a place where it's
(43:57):
just a fat based topical. That's my own magic sav
and I throw a whole bunch of cannabinized in it.
In this case, I'm using THC and CBD, but in
a whole full spectrum RSO or cannabis concentrate. It just
works magic. And again the cannabinized do not get into
the blood system, they don't make it to my brain.
(44:19):
It's incredibly helpful at help at localized pain and inflammation.
And then I also make cannabis oil. I'll often put
this in little chocolates that I'll eat at night to
help me go to sleep whatever. And then the last
thing you can do with that inhale it. So I
like instead of rolling a joint, I like using a
(44:39):
whole flower vape. My favorite is made by Mighty Plus.
It's a Mighty Plus by stores and Buckle bu there
and packs makes them as well. So there's all sorts
of stuff you can do with it. You can bake
with it, you can put it in drinks, you can
make little treats and enjoy it as you need. So
I'm in charge of the plant after it gives me
what it so generously offers so lentily.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
What are some of the uses you use it for personally?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Personally, I would say everyone in my life requires the
CBD salve from Penny's book.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
I have to make that in very large quantity.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
For everyone from twenty year olds in my family, running marathons,
to ninety three year old my grandma with arthritis, So
the CBD salve and then now mixing in some THC
with the salve to help.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
People with additional pain.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Lead is the most frequently made product in my house
from the plant. So personally I use THCHC to sleep.
It helps me with my inflammation and pain. And I
found that for me THCHC A so the raw form
(45:49):
or the it's the raw form, let's just call it.
That of THC in the plant actually for use during
the day really helps with my energy, my inflammation, and
my So it actually kind of gives me an up
when I use TCA personally.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
So that's kind of how I use it and the
way I like to consume it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I have very damaged lungs from cancer basically, and I
like an edible.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I've been making these little mints in classes now I'm
teaching these classes, and the classes started because everyone in
my life now also wants the mints. So it's the
CBD sab and now it's the mints. And you can
make the mints using the tincture formulas and pennies book
to do a THHCA mint, a CBD mint or a
THC mint, so you can make all the different kinds. Yeah,
(46:36):
and once you have the tincture, you just go from there.
And now that I can make these mints for folks,
now everyone in my life wants the mints. So I'm
like a candy manufacturer in my kitchen. And now we're
teaching classes on it too, because it turns out I
talk to our gardeners about it and they're like, oh,
I want to make the mints too, So now we're
teaching people how to make these little candies that are
(46:58):
so portable, very low dose, and who doesn't like a
little mint in the car, you know, when they're on
their way somewhere, like freshens your breath.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
It's nice.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And they can be very low dose whichever cannabinoid you want,
you know, and they're easy to make and require very
little equipment. So those are really my top go toos.
I don't like I said, I can't smoke. It doesn't
work for my lungs, so that's why I take it
and supply everyone with sav and now candies basically.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yes, and if you can't smoke, well, Penny talked about
the dry herb vaporizer. We have them at green Bee
live by stores and Bickle stores and bikel is one
of the premier great brand and a dryer vaporizer if
you're gonna go that route. But thank you for sharing
(47:48):
that with us. I'm I'm just so inspired that you
are a cancer survivor and I knew you before I
knew you left and you haven't missed the beat, my friend, though.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Thanks Marian, I'll say.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
And I was even you know, even you know, even
as a pot farmer, you know, myself, and coming from
a very liberal household, like we talked about this episode,
you know, I was very hesitant to start personally using cannabis.
I thought, oh, I don't need this and I'll be fine,
and oh, I see it has these health benefits, but
I'm okay. And then once I kind of let myself
(48:26):
experience the plant and learn what.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Worked for me, I was like wow.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
And it really even for me not having the stigma
talking to gardeners who were coming to me saying, hey,
I want to grow this plant because I want to
get high, or I need to treat my crone's disease,
you know.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
For whatever the reasons were.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
And I just kept getting story after story after story
from these folks across the country of all different ages.
Like I said, you know, from twenty to one hundred
people want to use this plant for different reasons once
they feel they can, and then it's affordable and accessible.
So I think think it was really even just doing
my work and seeing how much it helped so many
people that I kind of let myself get helped by
(49:07):
the plant as well. So you know, don't think, uh,
it doesn't have to be a big deal, and you're
not alone. If you look at the pictures on our Instagram,
you know the classes that Penny and I teach, people
of all ages, all backgrounds using it for all different reasons.
(49:28):
So don't feel like you're alone in this or that
you have to take it a certain way or it
should be easy for you. You know, it wasn't easy
for me to start using cannabis medicinally.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
So there's a big community of people you don't even
know about that now Penning and I know about because
we chat with them.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know, it's totally your Presbyterian Church Bridge Club ladies.
You know, like there are people in your life that
you don't even know that are benefiting from cannabis in
their life, whether it's you know, dismal recreational however you
want to call it.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So it don't feel alone. It doesn't have to be
this big, this big thing.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
And that's why going to your workshops are so empowering.
I mean, they're limited to California at this point in time,
but what I was thrilled to hear was that you're
doing them online as well, opening them up so you
have them online as well. So right, so people can
visit grow it from home dot com. Let's grow it
from home dot com or Penny Barthel dot com, Forward
(50:31):
Slash Events Penny p e n n Y barth l
b A r t h e l dot com. Now,
all of this information is going to be on our
show page. So we've got so many resources to provide
from from both of you, because you're both prolific and
uh you put out wonderful, wonderful, wonderful information and content
(50:56):
and you're empowering. And we're coming up to the five
minute warning on this show, and I'm telling you, we
could have gone on and on and on. I really
want to have both of you back. We could do
a whole hour spotlighting your products. Penny, your book, the
Cannabis Gardener. It's available on Amazon, Pennybarthel dot com, Emily
(51:25):
grow it from home, your seeds, your plants. You have
other wonderful, wonderful products on there.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You know. The other thing too, we cover We've talked
a lot about gardening and DIY and how empowering it
is to take control of kind of the plant for
economic reasons, health reasons.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
We'll say too. You don't have to do it all.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
You know, if you don't want to start seeds, order plants,
if you want to first try topicals with CBD, order
some sav flower you know from our website, and make
your own sav or. You know, get Pennies book as
a primer. You don't have to cook every recipe in
the book.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
I haven't I cooked every recipe in your book, Penny
A full disclosure, I need to. I have it, okay,
So even if you don't cook every recipe in the book,
get the book, read through it. You know, if you're
more comfortable starting off purchasing something and having that be
kind of your entry point, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
You don't have to do it all. Everybody, you know,
we're just trying to give you the tools.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Whether you want to start from a seed a plant,
or buy flower or just come to a workshop and
make with us.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
It's okay. That's the point everything.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
And you can grow it purely as a conversation starter.
You don't even have to son.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
You have so many gardeners.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
That's the other funny thing I learned recently. So many
people we work with don't grow from themselves. They grow
because it's a cool plant, because they can and it's
been illegal, or because they have a friend, a neighbor,
somebody else that they want to gift it to.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
They don't even use it themselves, or they need it
for their dog. They make treats for their dog like
it has They do not require it personally, but they
want to grow it and give it as a as
a bountiful thing.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
And that's how I got my start is growing is
exactly that is that I helped a friend grow it
for her friend who had cancer. We had hilariously bad
luck that year, but still cannabis is resilient. And I
do have friends who just like growing the herb. They
don't really use it a whole lot. Isn't that cannabis
creates community? It is a plant that's so generous that
(53:38):
if you grow one plant, maybe your friend grows a
different type you can trade. You can then maybe you're
a really great cook, and so you can get into
your kitchen and you can make a tincture or something
like that you can trade. I've got a friend who
I make little custom dosed chocolates for him, and he's
a wine collector, so he offers me wine.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
We trade.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
It's just I love how it creates community and we
share from each other. There is never a class that
Emily and I teach where I don't learn something from
the people who come. How are you using it?
Speaker 5 (54:12):
Why do you care?
Speaker 4 (54:13):
There is a woman who came while she had had
a traumatic brain injury, three of them. In fact, it
was helping her. Another one helping her get back into
life with CBD and the anti inflammatory effects there, people
with the central tremor disorder, people who have skin rashes Exama.
A person came to like, I cannot wait to make
this into a sav for my skin, which I have
(54:36):
to wait until the fall after it's dried, and I said, no,
buy some of Emily's fine quality CBD flower. It's a
huge bargain compared to buying savs or buying a dispensary.
So there's just tons of flexibility.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yep. And it's quality. They always say, make it when
it comes come back to the Italian Sunday gravy, make
it progress or make it yourself, make it from Emily,
grow it from home, growing yourself. But guys, we're gonna
have to wrap. I'm gonna have you back, you know,
as we wrap up today's show. You know, fifty is
(55:14):
the new four twenty. And by the way, I've been
to your workshops and I'm so impressed. I mean, there's
more senior citizens there. I would say at least the
ones I attendant than the non senior citizens. But we've
taken quite the journey. You know. We've looked back at
a time when cannabis you couldn't even say it. You
(55:35):
had to use code four twenty. It was shared in secret.
You know, there was stigma was the rule, not the exception.
And you know, we've reflected on a generation that helped
shape the counter culture and now the returning to cannabis,
not to really we live the past, but to reclaim,
(55:56):
as I said, the wellness, the connection and the clarity
and plants evolved to something you know you could proudly
plant it, cultivate it and share it. If you're in
a state that's legal, got to check down to your county.
That's another show. But whether it's in your garden, your gummies,
(56:17):
or your your gratitude practice. And now I want to
hear from you, I want to hear from the listeners.
I want to know what four twenty What does that
mean to you today? And is it a memory? Is
it a turning point? Is it a ritual? Tag us
on social media? Share your stories or drop a comment
(56:37):
on the episode page at greenbey life dot com. Forwards,
let's just say no and you'll find today's resources there,
including links to Penny's book, The Cannabis Gardener, Emily's grow
It from Home links, She's got top shelf premium lab
tested really real equality products. And there's on our side
(57:00):
a full library of educational content, curated tools, and cannabis
and insights. So whether you're here to grow, to learn,
to consume, or to share, Greenbay Life is your hive
for cannabis clarity and community. Because cannabis it isn't about
getting high, It's about getting well, being informed, and living
(57:24):
fully and here I just say no, where curiosity is quen,
We'll always keep it real and relevant and rooted in truth. Ladies,
I hope you will come back. This has been just
fantastic everybody. If you're in the Los Angeles area on
four to twenty, be sure to go down to Emily.
(57:46):
It's called Benny's.
Speaker 5 (57:48):
Brewery, Benny Boy Brewing.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Really check out Cannabisweek dot org. So Cannabis week dot
org and that's where all the events are at. There's
a ton of events that are happening. The Benny Boy
Brewing event is my personal favorite because I'm going to
get to run a dog parade and hand out CBD.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
Went out.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
They're called chill Pacinos or something like little CBD puppcinos,
like from Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
They're going to bring them to hand out and that's.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
My Yes, Starbucks does that dog so like.
Speaker 5 (58:22):
That's my personal favorite.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
But there's like yoga, there's a comedy night, there's intentional
sound bathwork, like pottery. I mean, it's just week dot org.
Find your flavor of fun lots of the time.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
All right, and people can find that on growing from
Home dot com as well on your events. Okay, all right, guys,
thank you so much. I look forward to having you back. Everybody. Yuh, happy, healthy, safe,
four twenty. That's also my birthday, but that's another episode.
(58:55):
That that that I put the five in the fifty
is the new four twenty. It's really sixtys taking it out.
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Hello, Hello, and welcome to Just Say No, where we
shine a light on cannabis with clarity, curiosity, and a
commitment to credible conversation, spotlighting the people and products shaping
the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria Calabrey's and
you're listening on KCAA Radio ten fifty AM, one O
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six point five FM, or wherever you tune in for
your podcast. Hey, today, we're turning the top the dial
back people. We're turning it back to all the way
back to the seventies, and we're turning into a whole
new wave of cannabis curiosity, this time from the generation
who helped spark it in the first place. We're calling
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this episode fifty is the new four to twenty because
baby boomers are blazing the comeback, not out of rebellion,
before relief, restoration and reconnects. And I'm old enough to
remember seeing the first Terminator hit theaters back in eighty four.
Wartzenegger's only be Back Right became iconic, but by the
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sixth movie Let's Be Real, it might as well have
been all my aking back. And while some of us,
especially today's guests, were too young for Woodstock. We definitely
grew up in its glow, where peace, love and a
little Puff Puff pass set the tone for a new
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way of thinking. On screen, Cheech and Chong gave us
our first glimpse of cannabis through clouds of smoke and punchlines.
Back then it was more of a joke than a
wellness prescription. And who remembers the Love Boat right? Friday
Nights with the Love Boat are weekly cruise into escapism,
romance and umbrella drinks. Now and instead of my ties
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and Captain Strubing, we've got dispensaries, microdosing mints, and box
soaks made from full spectrum CBD. It's not about going back,
it's about coming full circle, and this time with intention.
And that's exactly why so many of us are coming
back to cannabis, not to relive the past, but to
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reclaim our well being. Before we dive in, let's clear
up a little cannabis code. Why four twenty The story
starts in nineteen seventy one with a group of five
high school friends in sam Rafael, California, who called themselves
the Waldos. Now, legend has it that every day after
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school at four twenty sharp they meet by a statue
of Lewis Pistar, spark one up and hunt for a
rumored hidden cannabis crop. Now why were they hunting for
this and not just growing their own? Tintin spoiler alert.
One of the topics of today's show. Rumor has that
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one of the brothers back in the seventies was a
little too paranoid to grow his own. We're going to
continue to talk about that in a bit. But they
never found the stash, but what they did find was
a legacy. Their inside joke became an afterschool ritual and
with a little help from the Grateful Dead and High
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Times magazine four twenty, became a global code for cannabis culture.
Fast forward to today, and cannabis is no longer a
secret handshake. It's a symbol of connection, creativity, and community.
According to recent research, cannabis use among adults sixty five
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and older has tripled in the past decade, making baby
boomers and seniors one of the fastest growing groups of
cannabis consumers in the US. As the late Great Carl
Sagan once said, cannabis helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity,
and fellowships, so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and
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dangerous world. And today, oh that serenity and insight is
growing in backyards, garden beds, and window boxes thanks to
women like my guest. Returning to the show is Penny Barthel,
author of The Cannabis Gardener, who's on a mission to
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bring peace, purpose, and plants back into our homes and routines.
Also joining us is doctor Emily Gogel, founder of Grow
It from Home, a scientist turned gardener, making cannabis cultivation
as easy and normal as growing tomatoes. We'll leave the
science to her. She's got us covered. Will explore the
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healing power of gardening, how older adults are reclaiming cannabis
as part of their wellness journey, and why growing your
own is one of the most empowering things you can do,
no matter your age. So whether you're growing your first
seed or lighting your first joint in decades, you're not
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late to the party. Let me tell you something, Yeah,
right on time.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
By twenty twenty, Bank of America and Merrill Lynch estimate
that will grow to thirty five billion dollars, and many
experts believe it could eventually reach two hundred billion. Dollars
each and every year.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Your roses.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Rosson.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm a betterfy who has to me begone, taking me
a while to get it, had to live and cry,
to appreciate your life and let you give his words
when you're holding me here, when you hold me so close,
someone better and under your skin. I want to leave
the MiG so that I can be sure that you
remember what's been Welcome back and thank you for joining
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us here. On, just say no, hey, before we jump
into the garden with our guests. I'm going to bring
them on their backstage. Let's take a moment to remember
where we've been. Because the path to legal canvas it
wasn't paved and pot leaves and good vibes For me,
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baby boomers, Cannabis wasn't just controversial, it was criminal. We
grew up under the shadow of refer madness with its
fear based messaging and cartoonish portrayals of cannabis turning teenagers
into monsters. I don't know that they needed cannabis for that,
but anyway. Then came the War that couldn't be Warm Drugs,
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launched by the Nixon administration in the seventies, which disproportionately
targeted communities of color. It fueled mass incarceration, and it
solidified this stigma surrounding this poor plant. But in spite
of it all, this plant survived behind closed doors, in
garage grow rooms and tucked inside record sleeves. Cannabis culture
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lived on in headshops, in secret stashes and whispers passed
between friends. Fast forward to today, and boomers aren't just
revisiting cannabis. Let me tell you, they're redefining it. Many
are turning to cannabis for plant based relief from arthritis,
chronic pain, anxiety, and sleep disorders, trading in prescriptions for topicals, tinctures,
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and low dose edibles. As noted in a recent Emerald
Magazine article, Throughout history, cannabis has powered creativity, resilience, and
even royalty, from warriors to wise elders. This plan has
always had a place, and that place it's now on
dispensary shelves, in self care routines, and yes, in beautifully
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curated backyard gardens. Cannabis today is infused into everything from
skink care to sparkling beverages, and it's no longer just
about getting hot. It's about getting well, boomers may have
entered cannabis culture through rebellion, but they're returning with purpose,
intention and a whole new vibe. And speaking of vibes,
let's bring in two women who are just phenomenal and
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they're doing their part of this evolution. They're actively cultivating it.
So we're gonna bring in We're gonna be talking with
Penny Barthel, author of The Cannabis Gardner, and Emily Gogel,
founder of Growth from Home, for a grounded and empowering
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look at how cannabis is changing from the roots up.
So Petty, Emily, welcome, Welcome were having us, Well, thank
you for being here. We've got so much to discuss.
So on the topic of fifty being the new four
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to twenty, maybe I'm gonna start with Emily. Emily, tell
me what your first memory of cannabis was.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I'll say I come from California, super liberal family. Everything
was discussed and open, and as a consequence, in high school,
my experience with cannabis was like, I don't have time
for that. That is something my friends do after school
and they go hang out a taco bell and they
are wasting their time. I have the SATs to study for,
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and I don't want to have anything to do with that.
You know, they're dopey, you know, and even though they
are my friends, and I think that attitude really came
from seeing how they use cannabis and also it not
being this illicit thing. You know. It was talked about
in my household along with other things, and it was
like not a big deal. It was always be safe
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and be careful who you get into a car with,
you know, kind of thing. And that's just how I
viewed cannabis. That was kind of my first experiences with
the plant. So it really wasn't until much later in
life that I rediscovered it for cannabis, for what it
can be in many different ways to help people and
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to be part of their lives. So I that was
my first kind of introduction to cannabis.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So, M how about you, Panny, do you you remember
your first memory of cannabis? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I sure do. I mean, I was I'm a I'm
a gen xer, and so for me, cannabis was something
that Cheech and Chong did. I thought it was hilarious,
but it was very foreign. I was in a pretty
straight laced home and I knew about these you know,
intriguing people in junior high in high school, we call
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them stoners, and they would go do stuff. They were
sort of, you know, exotic creatures in some respect. I
had some interaction with them, but not a whole lot.
I tried weed a little bit when I was in
high school, but that was sort of it for me,
and I got a you know, as i've I've come
to cannabis later on in life. It was like a
very different experience. I was really confused about why it was.
(11:55):
I had these ideas, but all throughout junior high, in
high school in particular, Man, that was just at beginning
the Reagan era and the War on drugs was in
full force, So it was it really did a number
on my on my attitude about it. So I'm a
little older than Emily, and it was not an open discussion.
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It was just something that other people did, and it
was not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That they did, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I'm a little older than.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yep, I'm a little older than you guys, and I'm
a recovering Catholic. So none of this was on the table.
And I remember those Nixon era days and the Vietnam
War protest and a lot of the the making you
a schedule one in a felony was convenient because then
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the hippies couldn't vote who were protesting the war, because
if it's a felony, you can't vote crazy crazy crazy.
And it's interesting though, because you're perspectives they shifted, and
you know, you obviously view it very differently now. So
how do you see cannabis differently now? And what challenges
do you think older adults who were indoctrinated with all
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this stigma face in terms of accessing or understanding today's
legal cannabis environment. And Penny, I'd like to start with
you and then bring Emily in.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, of course. I mean this is the heart of
what I teach in with my classes at Wondering about
wheed here in the Bay Area. A lot of adults
enjoyed cannabis when they were in high school or college
in the seventies and eighties, and it was fun and
it was just for pleasure. Now they're older, they might
have some health concerns or just they want to try
it again, but they don't know what to do because
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it changed for them. It's come out of this War
on drugs. Everybody had the mental constract that cannabis is bad,
it's not something to do, but now they want to
try it. So the biggest thing, you know, when I
was growing up and those who are a little older
than I, we had a number done on us. We
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were told stories, and the story was drugs are bad
and cannabis is a really bad drug. It's on Schedule one.
It wasn't an obvious story. No one actually said those
words to me, but I got the message. It was
not something good. But now we're having to retrain ourselves
with a new message. As cannabis comes out of prohibition
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and there's these fabulous stories called dispensaries. People have to
sort of hold two stories in their heads at the
same time. One is cannabis is a terrible drug and
it's going to hurt you, and the other is cannabis
is a gentle herb and it can really help you.
So that's probably I think the biggest challenge for older
adults is getting rid of the old story and writing
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a new story about this plant in their heads. I
know I had to do that, and my current journey
in canabis was really helping a friend put some cannabis
plants in her garden so that she could help a
friend of hers who had cancer, and so it was
sort of an interesting way for me to re enter
this world of cannabis. I'm glad I did in that regard,
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and now I'm just I fell headlong in love with
this plant and.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's a very powerful why. And we're going to get
the workshops that you teach on growing. Do you think
growing your own helps with changing that narrative introducing people
to the plant backyard gardeners, Oh, for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Because it recontextualizes the plant. The plant itself tells its
story to me. It says, look at me, I'm not
a dangerous, horrible drug that's going to mess up your life.
I'm a beautiful plant that grows in your garden. And
once you get to know the plant for itself and
then you get to experience the benefits from it. Oh,
No one needs to tell you another thing. The plant
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tells you its story regard. It's a wonderful way to
learn about cannabis is to grow it.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm gonna bring Emily in on the topic of growing
it because that is definitely her Ali. You introduced it
to me Emily. I was fascinated when I met you
and knew you as a scientist. But then tell us
a little bit about your mission about I mean kind
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of the why why should people grow it at home?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, Marie, there are so many reasons.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'll just say the kind of why of my mission
is during my PhD, I helped build public parks and
community gardens, So I'm really an urban egg advocate, food access,
public green spaces kind of person. And then I moved
and started this cannabis farm, and folks from all over
the country were getting in touch with me saying, hey,
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how do I grow this plant? There's so much bad
information on the internet. Why is it so unlike gardening
anything else? And as a scientist and a backyard gardener
and someone who just wants to help people get access,
I think it's silly they don't have access. I was like,
oh my gosh, I have to help these people. So
my why and mission is really to help just people
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get what they need. I listen to what they need,
and people needed seeds that were high quality and produced
either CBD, ORC or both, and that.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Were quality garden plants.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know, just like when you grow a sand Marzano
tomato that you picked up at your local garden shop.
When you grow your afternoon punch cannabis plant, you want
it to be just as vigorous and healthy. So I
started getting people gardening as opposed to worrying about the
information on the internet and treating it practically like the
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plant that it is that belongs.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
In the garden. So that's really my why.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And it's just like gardening any other plant when it
comes to the garden, when it come to the laws,
it's a bit different. And when it comes to how
to fetch your body, it's similar to some plants and
different than others. But from a gardening perspective, it's easier
than putting in a tomato plant.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I gotta tell you, your timing is perfect because
we're almost coming into twenty minutes on the shell and
on the top of the fifty being the new four
to twenty, there'll be four to twenty here in LA
And at four twenty, I like to drop a knowledge bomb.
We're gonna take time to have a little quick hit.
So Emily, I'm gonna ask you, is it true someone
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said to me, did you know? Did you know cannabis
is a vegetable, Is that true?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean, I'm not like a food bought in a
special spot. Say, I mean, tear gone isn't a vegetable.
It's it's an herb. It's a flower, and it's a vegetable.
I guess you could say it's all three things.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If you're cooking the leaves, you know, I know folks
that wrap dumple in the leaves, that kind of makes
it a vegetable.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I know folks as herbal medicine.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know, they're using it in their teas, they're using
it in topicals and oils, ingesting the flour itself and recipes.
That's definitely an herb. And it's one hundred percent of
beautiful or smoking it, you know, it's an herb. And
then one hundred percent it's a beautiful flower. My grandmother
not a recovering Catholic, very much a Catholic, very conservative anyway,
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I would after I started my cannabis farm and she
came to visit, She's like, Oh, this smells so good.
If I wore this to mass like the priests would
love it. Raspberry and you know, nectarines, and oh I
love the smell Emily, could I get one of these
for my patio to smell at night.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
You know, your.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Grandmother was not far off, because there are references dating
back to the Bible pain of bossom Hebrew root, cana
for cannabis, bossom for aromatic and some people, I think
grandmas know, wonder what's in that incense in the church.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You know, it can be like many plants, a rose,
you know, like cannabis has smell, has medicinal use, and
you can eat you can eat it, right, you know, cannabis.
You can eat it, you can smell it, you can
use it medicinally. You can treat it like a vegetable,
treat it like an herb. And it's beautiful in your garden.
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It's really so versatile.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
So I really yeah, gardening, it's all about the gardening
part of it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's all a boat. And I love your tobag. It
says you grow tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, and hamp and well,
where do you stand vegetable fruit herb? What is it?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'm going to call this a culinary herb. It is
also a medicinal herb. And believe it or not, it's
sort of a beautiful ornamental plant. I wouldn't call it
a vegetable because you don't eat it for nutrition per se,
but for health added. There's no calories in it. You're
not going to get sugars for any you know, anything
like that. But I'm going to call it a culinary herb,
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and it's a medicinal herb. And what there are other
culinary herbs or regulo time that have powerful medicinal properties.
They don't get you high, so we don't sometimes in
our own lexicon, categorize them like that. I love to
enjoy eating cannabis. You got to remember that there's very
low levels of cannabinoids in the leaves. It's really in
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the female flower buds. It's the only place you're going
to find the cannabinoids, whether they're in the acid form
or not, in the flower bud. But you know, here's
a hot tip. You can take those little tiny leaves
and chop them up real fine and a schiff an
od and throw them on the top like a pasta
dish with fish small amounts. It's going to give it
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a nice fresh, slightly bitter herbal flavor and you will
get some health benefits from it. From the raw or
the acid form of the cannabinoids, anti inflammatory, they're going
to be pain managing. It's great stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Now, a lot of our listeners who are curious about
it and new to cannabis, especially older adults, they remember
the really rich kind of skunk smell and some people
don't like that. So if you are having the raw
and do what you just suggested, does it have that
strong aroma.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Nope, not at all. So here's thing that happened in
the seventies. It was completely illegal, so we were getting
poor quality, old, oxidized, seedy, weedy lee cannabis that wasn't fresh.
It was being burnt, you know. So it's like a
very different plant when you grow it in your garden.
You got these fabulous new cultivars. Emily's part of the
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forefront of breeders who are breeding for excellence in both
scent and cannabinoids, and they're good, strong grain plants. It's
a very different plant altogether. It doesn't smell like skunk
at all in my garden, the freightrance that I've usually
detected my cannabis. It smells like just fresh, sometimes like
the ocean, like pine, like lenon, often like movemen, like
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strawberries or rods, and all the sense sort of mingle together.
But there is that sharp, wonderful herbal essence kind of
undergirding to all cannabis. But they're not a variety.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Nice and when you talk about the quality, and you
mentioned Emily, it's a perfect segue because Emily, I want
you to explain to everybody when we come back on
our consumer tips and insights about growing from home in
your farm. But we had a wonderful video clip and
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I'd like to throw to it, so here we go.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So grow it from Home provides commercial farmers across the
country with high CBD flower camp plants commercially, and we
offer the same variety of hemp to you as a
backyard garden or if these are commercial farmers, so you're
getting the same tried and true tested the commercial variety headplants,
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but you get to grow them at home as a
backyard gardener. So we've already put the years of research
and development into making nationally known it's called craft flower headplants,
and we're now making them available to you in your backyard,
just like if you were to buy an organical grown
broccoli at your local grocery.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Store.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
These are organically grown us the organic certified headplants, so
we're really proud to be part of that program.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
We try to be excellent stewards.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Of our land.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Were right on the Applegate River in southern organ so
we're very aware of what.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
We're putting into the ground and being good stewards.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
So we have very precise protocols for how to care
for these plants and steward them and the environment that
they're grown in so that they are produced organically.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I've always loved gardening.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Like mom was a little kid, I grow my mom
as part of my chores as a kid in California
and my mom's backyard. It was on my earliest memories
as a little kid having to pull the bits from
underneath the rose bushes.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
And my mom maintained a big flower garden and vegetable garden.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I just grew up being outdoors with her, and I
loved eating the fresh food and I loved being outside
with her and my sister gardening. And when I moved
to San Francisco and started grad school to my PhD
at the University of California, San Francisco. During my PhD,
I had a great time building the public parks and
working with the neighborhood to create these green spaces. And
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when I left San Francisco to come run my farm,
I let everyone know why I.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Was leaving, and I have to say, all the little old.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Bodies in the garden were like, Wow, Emily, I never
thought you'd leave San Francisco to run a pot farm.
But tell me more about CBD and about cannabis. We're
really curious. And I was just so surprised that everyone
came up to me after the announcement and wanted to
talk to me about this forbidden fruit.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I left San Francisco to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Start a commercial tech nursery and I've been working with
farmers for the last few years, and it wasn't until
last year I literally got calls for regular gardeners all
over the US that found me through my commercial website
asking me, Hey, could you send me plants?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
It's okay?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And I was just floored.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I never thought I'd be able to work with backyard
gardeners again. And I love being able to help folks
with this plant. So when you receive your plants, they're
us heriganic curtified. You get a lab result that comes
with your plants showing that it's legally classified as hemp.
That's part of our requirement actually for shipping plants, and
you get a quick Start Guide. So it's a beautiful
one two three quick start guide to help you get
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start with your plants. And we encourage everyone to share
their grow over the season with us on Instagram and Facebook,
and in order to come out with better new varieties
every year, we maintain a research and development program on
the farm, so we're all about trialing, testing, really understanding
how to improve the plant for both commercial farmers and
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for guard gardeners.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And that is how we described growing from a home.
And I love the Quick Start Guide. It's you've got
to read Penny's book. There's no replacing that. The book
is phenomenal, but when you receive those plants, it's you know,
I'm one of those people want to have to put
kids toys together before on Christmas Eve. I don't want
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to read the instructions. I want to read a whole book.
But you got to read the whole book to get
it right. But the Quick Start Guide, you go right
to the Quick Start Guide. She really really gets you
feeling confident and like okay, I could get this plant growing,
bringing you guys back. You know, we've explored the why
behind cannabis garden and how so many seniors are are
(28:03):
are doing it and they're turning to him. So let's
dig into the house. So, whether you're starting with a
seed or a plant, or even just the sunny patio
and a little curiosity, I want you guys to give
us some trusted tips to help people grow with confidence.
So I think we can start with with Emily. Emily,
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what should people look for when they're buying cannabis seeds
and plants?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So yeah, so cannabis seeds, don't be afraid of them. Okay,
don't be afraid everybody. Cannabis seeds. They're like sunflower seeds,
broccoli seeds, radish seeds. Size wise, they're very similar. There's
a little diagram I just did for people in our classes.
There's so much misinformation on the internet. Start your cannabis
seeds just like your broccoli or your radish. Do not
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follow the you know, no paper towels, no domes, no
heat mats, and we have all this information on our website.
So the first thing is follow good gardening practices. If
you're starting from seed, start them like you would any
other quality garden seeds and Pennies textbook, you know, I
call it textbook, but like it's our textbook for the class. Really,
I do really highly recommend Penny's book. It has such
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fantastic information. It makes a great gift, and it's just
it's practical gardening advice that is a little more cannabis specific.
But just apply good gardening, which is throughout Penny's book,
and you will grow fabulous plants. And then when it
comes you know, in terms of if you don't want
to start seeds, you're the kind of person that's like,
(29:39):
you know, I buy my plants at the local shop
and then I tuck them into the ground. That's totally
a possibility. You can order plants from us. I would say,
there are some caveats to where you order supplies, and
I can wet Penny chat about that. Our company just
works really hard to make sure that you're getting a
quality product that every year, you know, you grow our
(30:00):
afternoon Punch, you get Afternoon Punch and it is a vigorous,
super happy, easy to maintain, easy to harvest plants. So
my main thing is like, don't be afraid they are
just seeds like all the other seeds you can get
at the garden shop. If you buy them from us,
they're gonna be quality, high germination rate, and afternoon punch
gives you afternoon punch every time, which is a problem
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in the cannabis industry in terms of quality. So feel
I feel very lucky I can bring quality stuff to gardeners.
The same expectations I have when I buy Sand Marzona
tomato seeds I have for my cannabis seeds too, and
I think everyone should.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
And they're easier to starting tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I love that you call them San Marzano tomatoes because
in my Italian household we just call them gravy tomatoes,
and we call it gravy, not sauce, because we're Italian
East Coast. But yeah, turning to you, Penny, can you
talk to us about giving some tips about how to
find reputable sources and uh talk a little bit about,
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you know, tips for older adults or first time gardeners
in terms of container gardening. You know, soil blends.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Water light, so easy to let me just say this.
My book is essentially a garden book, but it's a
garden book about one plant. But here's if you want
to be the best gardener you can, here's all you
need to know. As a gardener, you've got one job
to do. Give the plant what it needs. That's your
whole job. Now, what Emily and I talk about a
(31:34):
lot is well, what does this plant need?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
That's most of what my book is, or half of
it anyway. So what a cannabis is is a tall
summer growing annual. It goes from a seed to a
very and within a couple of months. So you need
to give it number one full sun. You want to
give it big rich soil, So you're going to want
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to use the best quality soil. If you're going to
put it into a container. You can do that in
a raised bed or in ground, but nice quality soil
that has a lot of nitrogen in it, full sun,
and then just keep it watered. That's kind of all
you need to know. So if you are interested in
growing cannabis, you don't need a yard. It's great if
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you have one, but you don't have to have one.
You can grow in a container. So, especially for people
who have limited space or they're not used to lifting
heavy things, no problem. You want a fifteen gallon container.
Grow bag is great ones with handles, and then you're
going to want to use the best quality soil you
can It's called recipe four twenty is my favorite to use.
(32:40):
It's by eb Stone. It's readily available. But if you
can't find that, no problem. Go to your local nursery
and they're going to tell you the right soil to
put into your grow bag. You plant a plant in it. Now,
a plant that is strong and well grown and well
bred seeds is going to make your gardening the easiest
that you can you can do, so you start with
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great genetics because that will determine a lot about not
just what's in the resin at the end of the year,
at the end of the season, but how strong that
plant is going to be, how disease resistant it's going
to be. I don't recommend growing from clones or rooted
cuttings because they have a couple of limitations with them,
So I always recommend growing from seed. It's super easy.
(33:22):
Like Emily said, when you're if you're going to grow
in a garden, a lot of older people know how
to garden good. You are ahead of the game. If
you've gardened, if you've grown a tomato, grown a vegetable garden. Easy,
it's just like growing that. But you need to make
sure you give your cannabis space. So imagine us three
foot wide circle around that plant. That's how much space
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you're going to need to give it. And my hot
tip for growing in ground is to add compost about
a week or two before you actually plant the plant.
Super hot tip worm castings. You want to add worm
castings or well composted chicken or rabbit or or steer manure.
It's gonna give your plant all that it needs to
grow really well throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Uh yeah, I totally, Penny, you are complete. Spot.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
We teach these classes together and it's again everything said Pitt.
It's gardening. So whether you're one hundred years old or
twenty years old, you can grow this plant. It's so
amenable in a container petite ten fifteen gallons.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Or you want to go in the ground. It's what
works for you. Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
There is no limit on your enjoyment in a sense
of this plant. Don't let people tell you, oh, you're
too young, too old, too big, too small, this and
that about growing, about growing cannabis, it is really not fickle, and.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You know, the seeds go a long way. I was shocked.
I didn't believe you. Emily. You gave me a consumer
insight and tip and said, Maria, you only have the
plant one or two, You're gonna be the zucchini lady.
You're you know, giving it away to all your neighbor
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I had a bag with me. I should have brought
a bag over here. You know you're gonna get full
disclosure with my home garden. I am a neglectful, benign
neglect kind of gardener. And having now worked for years
with folks across the country that are somewhat benign neglect
gardeners as well, I can say with data pound to
(35:27):
pound and a half of dried flower, I mean you become, yeah,
the zucchini lady, because you have a pound. It is
like a pound a massive amount of flour. You will
never you know, you buy grams, you know, ounces at
your dispensary. You are now getting pounds of the stuff.
So one plant is for like your whole family, you know,
like it's like an entire bounty.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I was shocked at the I was shocked at the mouth.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, no special stuff, no baby sitting this plant, no elite,
extreme genetics, no pro set up, no optimal environment, batguano,
sunlight by the moon, whatever I mean it is, put
the plant in the ground with the nutrients you refer tomato.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
At the right time of the year, and you walk away.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, what Patty said, just give it what it needs.
Now we're not that mouthing the art and the science
to it, but that's where these ladies have done that
for us. So now you get it delivered to your door.
And for the consumer insights and tips and for more
of those, they offer workshops. So can you tell us
(36:41):
a little bit about the workshops that you give? And
I believe Emily that you even during the season, the
growing season, and at four twenty, you've got a lot
of exciting things that additional events that you do in
Los Angeles. So tell us a little bit about the
workshops where you give them, I know in the Bay area,
(37:04):
in the southern Cali area. Tell us a little bit
about those.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, so they're sponsored by the USDA, And in giving
these workshops with Penny over the last two years, we've
really come to appreciate there's this sort of community celebration
of cannabis that we want to help organize. So in
addition to our gardening workshops and medicinal herb workshops and
DIY edibles classes, we are kind of helping organize Cannabis
Week and the ideas it's an exploration of the plant.
(37:30):
You know, you can go to an event and you
can you know, pick up seeds and get gardening like
that's very fun. But you can also maybe go to
a plant friendly yoga event. Or we're having a pet
parade and wellness market at Benny Boy Brewing on four
to twenty week and on Sunday, and it's about celebrating
wellness and pets getting access to CBD for their various
(37:55):
conditions that are veterinarian approved in a very practical, information.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Based way that sort of helps destigmatize it.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So we're gonna have a big pet parade at a
brewery and have wellness practitioners there answering questions about physical
therapy and massage, and have lots of giveaways. So it
doesn't have to be this in the closet thing. It
doesn't have to be in this dispensary thing. It doesn't
have to be let's just get really stoned and listen
to music or you know, like I mean, parties are great,
(38:25):
but like the idea is that people are using it
and celebrating the plant in so many different ways. And
we're through our workshops learning about all these ways and
we're just trying to help people get access. So we've
got go to Cannabis Week dot org. There's a bazillion
events that are listed. So if you know you're not
into high yoga, but you're into pottery, or you're into
(38:46):
the pet parade, you know, there's lots of different things
to do. There's a big comedy night, like it's just
there's so many things.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And that'll be on Sunday at four five at Benny's
Brewery in Los Angeles and Penny Boy Brewing and you
can meet Emily now to meet Penny, Penny, tell us
a little bit about the workshops that you and Emily
give throughout the year and where they are and.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Emily and I. So when Emily and I teach, we
realize that we're both gardeners. And where do gardeners go
to get stuff? Will they go to nurseries? But until
Emily and I put a couple of intellectual things together
and spoke with one nursery here in the Bay Area.
We convinced them to let us come and give a
(39:39):
class on how to grow cannabis in the garden. It's
in the Bay Area, so people were already doing so
and they knew that, but they also were able to
sell Emily's seeds in the nursery. So Emily and I
have been starting with one and now dozens, twenties twenty
five nurseries. We go to local nurseries and we show
(40:00):
we teach every day gardeners in a nursery setting how
to grow cannabis in the garden. We talk about containers,
raise beds in ground, how to grow, when to grow,
at how tall it grows, how to manage the very
few pests that it might give. People are able to learn,
they're able to buy the soil amendment that they need,
the bags, and most importantly, for the first time ever,
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Emily and I are able to sell her fine quality
seeds in a nursery. Before Emily and I put these
two pieces together, people gardeners would go to a nursery
to buy everything else, and they'd have to go to
a dispense or an an online resource to get seeds,
so we teach in nurseries, which is exactly where we
should be teaching. We've had to tell a lot of
new stories though about this plant. There's a lot of
(40:46):
hesitation in the somewhat conservative nursery world about letting us
come in and teach about this plant. But we've gotten
overwhelmingly positive reception. We've had up to maybe fifty people
at a nursery taught a class two weekends ago. We've
got weekends coming up and they will be teaching in
San Francisco, throughout the Bay Area, and back in Los
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Angeles again. And then here's the cool part. It doesn't
end with growing because Harvest has a whole other section
of classes in the Los Angeles area in the Bay Area,
and you know, our goal is to make this available
throughout the nation. Wouldn't it be cool if we could
get this throughout the entire nation. We've got to get
people growing this garden, maybe this plant in the garden,
(41:30):
and then they're gonna go, wait, this isn't a scary plant.
Those stories that I was told really weren't very true.
And I think that we're going to snowball in the
right direction if we can convince people to grow this
plant in the garden and then they use it. And then,
by the way, come holiday gift time, you're going to
be the most popular gift giver in your whole community.
(41:51):
It is the best thing you could possibly you can
trade for somebody wh's got lemons. Well, guess what you've got.
You've got hot quality home.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Grow And Penny and Emily, we'll start with Penny, what
do you do with this quality homegrown?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
What are some of the things you make with it?
And how do you use it? And Emily, and then
we'll come to you because I know that you've got
uh uh. You have a great dog treat recipe to
add some of the flour, and we even did a
video of that. But Penny, what are some of the
ways that you use it?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
And Yeah, I teach this through another company that I
co founded called Wondering About Weed. We're all about teaching
grown ups how to use cannabis and to enjoy it.
So I like to say that I use cannabis all
day long and I'm rarely stoned. Now let me elaborate
that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
So have you have you that cannabis today? Yes?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Every morning?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
To me too.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Wow, you don't look stone. I'm not. Let me tell
you that One of the things I do with it
is that I make a tincture is just it's just
moving the good stuff in the flower on the cannabis
in alcohol and then you can take it. So every
morning I could take a raw tincture that has both th,
(43:14):
HCA and cbda in it. So that's the first thing
I do, and I'm often to put.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
The row leave in the water. You infuse the water yourself,
the raw.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Cannabis, flower bud all the flower bud flower bud in
alcohol a high alcohol.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
This is where my book has more about gardening. It
also tells you how to make three key extractions. The
first one is in an alcohol based tincture. Super important.
You can precisely dose it. It's available at all times. Second,
my second way that I use cannabis daily is in
a salve. Now, a salve is a place where it's
(43:57):
just a fat based topical. That's my own magic sav
and I throw a whole bunch of cannabinized in it.
In this case, I'm using THC and CBD, but in
a whole full spectrum RSO or cannabis concentrate. It just
works magic. And again the cannabinized do not get into
the blood system, they don't make it to my brain.
(44:19):
It's incredibly helpful at help at localized pain and inflammation.
And then I also make cannabis oil. I'll often put
this in little chocolates that I'll eat at night to
help me go to sleep whatever. And then the last
thing you can do with that inhale it. So I
like instead of rolling a joint, I like using a
(44:39):
whole flower vape. My favorite is made by Mighty Plus.
It's a Mighty Plus by stores and Buckle bu there
and packs makes them as well. So there's all sorts
of stuff you can do with it. You can bake
with it, you can put it in drinks, you can
make little treats and enjoy it as you need. So
I'm in charge of the plant after it gives me
what it so generously offers so lentily.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
What are some of the uses you use it for personally?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Personally, I would say everyone in my life requires the
CBD salve from Penny's book.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
I have to make that in very large quantity.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
For everyone from twenty year olds in my family, running marathons,
to ninety three year old my grandma with arthritis, So
the CBD salve and then now mixing in some THC
with the salve to help.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
People with additional pain.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Lead is the most frequently made product in my house
from the plant. So personally I use THCHC to sleep.
It helps me with my inflammation and pain. And I
found that for me THCHC A so the raw form
(45:49):
or the it's the raw form, let's just call it.
That of THC in the plant actually for use during
the day really helps with my energy, my inflammation, and
my So it actually kind of gives me an up
when I use TCA personally.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
So that's kind of how I use it and the
way I like to consume it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I have very damaged lungs from cancer basically, and I
like an edible.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I've been making these little mints in classes now I'm
teaching these classes, and the classes started because everyone in
my life now also wants the mints. So it's the
CBD sab and now it's the mints. And you can
make the mints using the tincture formulas and pennies book
to do a THHCA mint, a CBD mint or a
THC mint, so you can make all the different kinds. Yeah,
(46:36):
and once you have the tincture, you just go from there.
And now that I can make these mints for folks,
now everyone in my life wants the mints. So I'm
like a candy manufacturer in my kitchen. And now we're
teaching classes on it too, because it turns out I
talk to our gardeners about it and they're like, oh,
I want to make the mints too, So now we're
teaching people how to make these little candies that are
(46:58):
so portable, very low dose, and who doesn't like a
little mint in the car, you know, when they're on
their way somewhere, like freshens your breath.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
It's nice.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And they can be very low dose whichever cannabinoid you want,
you know, and they're easy to make and require very
little equipment. So those are really my top go toos.
I don't like I said, I can't smoke. It doesn't
work for my lungs, so that's why I take it
and supply everyone with sav and now candies basically.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yes, and if you can't smoke, well, Penny talked about
the dry herb vaporizer. We have them at green Bee
live by stores and Bickle stores and bikel is one
of the premier great brand and a dryer vaporizer if
you're gonna go that route. But thank you for sharing
(47:48):
that with us. I'm I'm just so inspired that you
are a cancer survivor and I knew you before I
knew you left and you haven't missed the beat, my friend, though.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Thanks Marian, I'll say.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
And I was even you know, even you know, even
as a pot farmer, you know, myself, and coming from
a very liberal household, like we talked about this episode,
you know, I was very hesitant to start personally using cannabis.
I thought, oh, I don't need this and I'll be fine,
and oh, I see it has these health benefits, but
I'm okay. And then once I kind of let myself
(48:26):
experience the plant and learn what.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Worked for me, I was like wow.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
And it really even for me not having the stigma
talking to gardeners who were coming to me saying, hey,
I want to grow this plant because I want to
get high, or I need to treat my crone's disease,
you know.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
For whatever the reasons were.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
And I just kept getting story after story after story
from these folks across the country of all different ages.
Like I said, you know, from twenty to one hundred
people want to use this plant for different reasons once
they feel they can, and then it's affordable and accessible.
So I think think it was really even just doing
my work and seeing how much it helped so many
people that I kind of let myself get helped by
(49:07):
the plant as well. So you know, don't think, uh,
it doesn't have to be a big deal, and you're
not alone. If you look at the pictures on our Instagram,
you know the classes that Penny and I teach, people
of all ages, all backgrounds using it for all different reasons.
(49:28):
So don't feel like you're alone in this or that
you have to take it a certain way or it
should be easy for you. You know, it wasn't easy
for me to start using cannabis medicinally.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
So there's a big community of people you don't even
know about that now Penning and I know about because
we chat with them.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know, it's totally your Presbyterian Church Bridge Club ladies.
You know, like there are people in your life that
you don't even know that are benefiting from cannabis in
their life, whether it's you know, dismal recreational however you
want to call it.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So it don't feel alone. It doesn't have to be
this big, this big thing.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
And that's why going to your workshops are so empowering.
I mean, they're limited to California at this point in time,
but what I was thrilled to hear was that you're
doing them online as well, opening them up so you
have them online as well. So right, so people can
visit grow it from home dot com. Let's grow it
from home dot com or Penny Barthel dot com, Forward
(50:31):
Slash Events Penny p e n n Y barth l
b A r t h e l dot com. Now,
all of this information is going to be on our
show page. So we've got so many resources to provide
from from both of you, because you're both prolific and
uh you put out wonderful, wonderful, wonderful information and content
(50:56):
and you're empowering. And we're coming up to the five
minute warning on this show, and I'm telling you, we
could have gone on and on and on. I really
want to have both of you back. We could do
a whole hour spotlighting your products. Penny, your book, the
Cannabis Gardener. It's available on Amazon, Pennybarthel dot com, Emily
(51:25):
grow it from home, your seeds, your plants. You have
other wonderful, wonderful products on there.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You know. The other thing too, we cover We've talked
a lot about gardening and DIY and how empowering it
is to take control of kind of the plant for
economic reasons, health reasons.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
We'll say too. You don't have to do it all.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
You know, if you don't want to start seeds, order plants,
if you want to first try topicals with CBD, order
some sav flower you know from our website, and make
your own sav or. You know, get Pennies book as
a primer. You don't have to cook every recipe in
the book.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
I haven't I cooked every recipe in your book, Penny
A full disclosure, I need to. I have it, okay,
So even if you don't cook every recipe in the book,
get the book, read through it. You know, if you're
more comfortable starting off purchasing something and having that be
kind of your entry point, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
You don't have to do it all. Everybody, you know,
we're just trying to give you the tools.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Whether you want to start from a seed a plant,
or buy flower or just come to a workshop and
make with us.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
It's okay. That's the point everything.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
And you can grow it purely as a conversation starter.
You don't even have to son.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
You have so many gardeners.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
That's the other funny thing I learned recently. So many
people we work with don't grow from themselves. They grow
because it's a cool plant, because they can and it's
been illegal, or because they have a friend, a neighbor,
somebody else that they want to gift it to.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
They don't even use it themselves, or they need it
for their dog. They make treats for their dog like
it has They do not require it personally, but they
want to grow it and give it as a as
a bountiful thing.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
And that's how I got my start is growing is
exactly that is that I helped a friend grow it
for her friend who had cancer. We had hilariously bad
luck that year, but still cannabis is resilient. And I
do have friends who just like growing the herb. They
don't really use it a whole lot. Isn't that cannabis
creates community? It is a plant that's so generous that
(53:38):
if you grow one plant, maybe your friend grows a
different type you can trade. You can then maybe you're
a really great cook, and so you can get into
your kitchen and you can make a tincture or something
like that you can trade. I've got a friend who
I make little custom dosed chocolates for him, and he's
a wine collector, so he offers me wine.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
We trade.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
It's just I love how it creates community and we
share from each other. There is never a class that
Emily and I teach where I don't learn something from
the people who come. How are you using it?
Speaker 5 (54:12):
Why do you care?
Speaker 4 (54:13):
There is a woman who came while she had had
a traumatic brain injury, three of them. In fact, it
was helping her. Another one helping her get back into
life with CBD and the anti inflammatory effects there, people
with the central tremor disorder, people who have skin rashes Exama.
A person came to like, I cannot wait to make
this into a sav for my skin, which I have
(54:36):
to wait until the fall after it's dried, and I said, no,
buy some of Emily's fine quality CBD flower. It's a
huge bargain compared to buying savs or buying a dispensary.
So there's just tons of flexibility.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yep. And it's quality. They always say, make it when
it comes come back to the Italian Sunday gravy, make
it progress or make it yourself, make it from Emily,
grow it from home, growing yourself. But guys, we're gonna
have to wrap. I'm gonna have you back, you know,
as we wrap up today's show. You know, fifty is
(55:14):
the new four twenty. And by the way, I've been
to your workshops and I'm so impressed. I mean, there's
more senior citizens there. I would say at least the
ones I attendant than the non senior citizens. But we've
taken quite the journey. You know. We've looked back at
a time when cannabis you couldn't even say it. You
(55:35):
had to use code four twenty. It was shared in secret.
You know, there was stigma was the rule, not the exception.
And you know, we've reflected on a generation that helped
shape the counter culture and now the returning to cannabis,
not to really we live the past, but to reclaim,
(55:56):
as I said, the wellness, the connection and the clarity
and plants evolved to something you know you could proudly
plant it, cultivate it and share it. If you're in
a state that's legal, got to check down to your county.
That's another show. But whether it's in your garden, your gummies,
(56:17):
or your your gratitude practice. And now I want to
hear from you, I want to hear from the listeners.
I want to know what four twenty What does that
mean to you today? And is it a memory? Is
it a turning point? Is it a ritual? Tag us
on social media? Share your stories or drop a comment
(56:37):
on the episode page at greenbey life dot com. Forwards,
let's just say no and you'll find today's resources there,
including links to Penny's book, The Cannabis Gardener, Emily's grow
It from Home links, She's got top shelf premium lab
tested really real equality products. And there's on our side
(57:00):
a full library of educational content, curated tools, and cannabis
and insights. So whether you're here to grow, to learn,
to consume, or to share, Greenbay Life is your hive
for cannabis clarity and community. Because cannabis it isn't about
getting high, It's about getting well, being informed, and living
(57:24):
fully and here I just say no, where curiosity is quen,
We'll always keep it real and relevant and rooted in truth. Ladies,
I hope you will come back. This has been just
fantastic everybody. If you're in the Los Angeles area on
four to twenty, be sure to go down to Emily.
(57:46):
It's called Benny's.
Speaker 5 (57:48):
Brewery, Benny Boy Brewing.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Really check out Cannabisweek dot org. So Cannabis week dot
org and that's where all the events are at. There's
a ton of events that are happening. The Benny Boy
Brewing event is my personal favorite because I'm going to
get to run a dog parade and hand out CBD.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
Went out.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
They're called chill Pacinos or something like little CBD puppcinos,
like from Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
They're going to bring them to hand out and that's.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
My Yes, Starbucks does that dog so like.
Speaker 5 (58:22):
That's my personal favorite.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
But there's like yoga, there's a comedy night, there's intentional
sound bathwork, like pottery. I mean, it's just week dot org.
Find your flavor of fun lots of the time.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
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That that that I put the five in the fifty
is the new four twenty. It's really sixtys taking it out.
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