December 22, 2024 • 37 mins
Scott and Dan were looked back on the podcast of the year and the year itself in their lives. Some laughs happened. Looking forward to season 4
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to another episode of Just Us on Justice and
other things. I am Scott Jones, your co host, with
my baby brother Dan Jones, and lurking in the background
who will not be saying any words is Sam Jones,
my youngest boy. But he's just tick tacking away in
his computer. So we're gonna do a year end wrap up.
That's a purpose of today. I think we had what
was it like, fourteen or yeah, we've did fourteen episodes.
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We recorded one in the middle there that we're actually
gonna release as episode one of season four. So this
is kind of like again, nothing planned, just bullshitting and
talking about how the year was so specifically to the
podcast as always as super interesting. We got to speak
at a conference to a live audience. We talked of
doctor Mike T. Nelson, who knows all things about the
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physiology physiology of human beings and wellness and he's actually
gonna return, I hope in season four as well. We
talked about doing an ultra when Kim Clark and I
did the Ultra supported by Terry and Dan, and we'll
maybe talk about that a little bit more as a
year en up thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I had a great.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Episode of Mike Elliott talking about his journey through policing
and mental well being, Darren Harris talking about compassion.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Just it was just kind of a good year.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm not going to go through each and everyone, but overall,
if you're interested in this and you haven't heard him,
this was a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Season that you'd go back to.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Absolutely. Yah. Know, we we had some good guests. We
talked about some good stuff we had. It's actually been
twenty twenty four has been in a kind of a
I don't know, kind of a nice year.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Actually.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think there's been a lot of good things that
have happened, a lot of positives, a lot of positive
family stuff. My youngest daughter got married this year to
a great guy named what's his name again, Brady, Matt Brady.
I was going to call him Brody. We call him
all kinds of names, Brody, Brad. I think Terry Evensilt
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spelled the name along their wedding card. I think she
called it Brad.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think it was Brady.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But when she folded the card over the for whatever reason,
the why was behind it was actually quite funny.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we had and it was good. It was we had.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We had you know, it's been a good family here.
This is more of your stuff than mine. But your
two boys are looking at buying places, which is a
big life change for you and you and your lovely wife.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, my oldest baby's bought a place in a town nearby,
and actually that's where Terry and him are right now
working on painting. And then the youngest and his girlfriend
are looking at a condo in another town nearby. So
we could go from a very full home to a
very empty home, which is all the way it's supposed
to be. But it's a lot of feelings involved in
trepidation a little bit, and yeah, all the things.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, it's interesting because I kind of got to wean
off having kids at home. My oldest Vanessa, moved out
early on at eighteen. She was like she had enough
of me in my roles. And then she came back
for a little while, and then she moved up to
Fort mack And where she no longer lives now lives
in Ontario with her husband, who she married in twenty
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twenty two. And then Emma, with Emma was kind of
the that was the weaning off part, because Emma was
a scholarship athlete to Fort mcmurtt to Cano College. She
played soccer there, so we would have no Emma in
the school year except for holidays and then. So that
was kind of a nice way to do it. Like
I was thinking about you guys, and this kind of
the fu the two boys just fucking ninjabombing at the
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same time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's like a lot of it's a lot with Yeah,
that's it's good. Yeah, it's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No offense to those who were forty five living their
mom's basement, but that was not the dream for either
of them.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would suspect no, nor for us. So yeah, it's
the right age and right time in their lives.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And Sam will have his own coffee table to look
at Porno. Not just very beside the two.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No comments from Tom.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You can tell uncle down at the cop It's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, no, And it's just been it's been one of
those years. And like you know, I love my job.
I've been very fortunate to get a position that I'm
in at the chair of Justicize at or Quest College.
Of course, nothing we say has anything to do with
my work anywhere anywhere that we worked there, used to
work or have worked but we like some really cool
things happen this year. And it's a tough year for
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community colleges, to be honest, because the federal government changed
the rules of the i R s C rules around
international students, but just for community colleges and polytechnics, not
for universities. So you can go get a degree and
whatever and you can come from another another place. And
I find it almost backwards, like because they're saying the
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only want them in programs that are job they're going to.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Get jobs right after. That's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's so it's it's really weird. It's it's it's a
weird decision by the federal government. I don't know how
they make their decisions, but no one does. No. So
that had an impact like on the college as a whole,
that unfortunately doesn't have a major impact on our program.
We have a lot of domestic students. And we got
something really cool this year. We ended up working with
Mnton Community Foundation and we got a grant for Equityuniversity
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Inclusion and Decolonization, and that grant got us, it gets
us a few things that's going to have our We're
gonna have four different sweats that we take our our justice.
Students are gonna be able to participate in a much
sweat a lot of ceremony if they want to. And
then we have some money for some course development. But
we also purchase and will be the only college in
the world to have this specific virtual reality set up.
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And we're actually the first place in Canada to get it.
Out of everything, it is, well, if you're gonna be
the first in world, of course the first, No, first
to anything in Canada. Sorry, like no police agency has it,
Like we're the first, it's gonna be the first.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
That's not true because I was there in h R
CMP depot about four years ago and they were using
VR in certain capacities.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They were, But this is a new one. This is
this version of it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's VR.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This is so most VR is cig technology. This one
is actual people. They actually film people, so it's and
it's and it's the but then their responsive to you
in the in the thing, so it's the first. Like
the guy from the company we bought this from is
like you were the first people in Canada to have
this technology. You know, he's they're selling one another one
to uh he said something like a counseling place or
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something like that in a place that has people with
you know, cognitive issues, and they're sending the same basically
the same thing as all this is is this VR
is there's no violence on it. There's no use of
for us. This is all de escalation training and communications.
So it's gonna be pretty exciting and we're we're pretty
I'm pretty excited that we're you know, getting to do
kind of groundbreaking or shattering stuff at that level.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then just my well, I get to teach at
Northwest as well. Just finished teaching and marking a million
papers over the last two days, so that was nice
to be finished that, and I'm teaching the next term
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But my job at EPs.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I have to give again EPs props here because this
is kind of a They've hired me to do this
job as a wellness navigator and they've kind of let
me do whatever I wanted to within the realm of that.
So it's morphed into many, many presentations to a wide
range of people. Probably I want to say I've probably
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talked about fifteen hundred members sworn as civilian now something
there abouts twelve hundred maybe, and we've actually Terry and
I and our friend Kim have put on wildness retreats
for first responders. So we've had our forensic area, we've
had our major collisions, folks. We're going to have another
couple in the new year where we take people through yoga, breathwork,
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deliberate cold, deliberate heat, sound bath, mindful walking. I'm giving
first responder populations different tools beyond kind of the usual
quote unquote just go to therapy, which again, therapy played
a big role in both of ours. Yeah, both of
our healing. But that's great if you have access to it.
And again, if you have benefits in a first responder population,
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do you like to have access? But what else are
you doing other than that hour a week or two
hours a week or one hour a month or whatever
it is to make sure you're looking after yourself. And
I heard a great analogy, and I can give credit
for it because I can't fucking remember where I heard
it it was. So we have a scale, and oftentimes
we talk about the big tea trauma, so like a
really critical incident or also involved shooting, and that big
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rock lands on that scale and puts us out of.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Bounce, and that happens.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But oftentimes, and I think in our experience was the
small little grains of sand that eventually take.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You out of bounce.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So how do we proactively brush those bright those grains
of sound off before they put you out of bounce?
Is kind of the goal of the material that I'm
putting for.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Which I think is great.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think when you know, hindsight being what it is,
and you start looking back.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And and I think, I don't know, I don't know
if this is the right word, but I hate the
word macho or I don't know what the word I'm
looking for, but I think it was there was something
in our whatever culture makeup and our own selves it
was like, I'm tough enough, I can handle anything.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right. It was this, oh yeah, I saw this horrible
thing today. I'm good. I'm I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna go off where it can be.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, because it was I saw as weakness that you
were disturbed by anything like, well, of course you're not
gonna get bothered by fucking bodies when your homes and
your homes Detective, why what are you talking about it? Yeah,
but you're not actually taking an account and the files
it wasn't really that bothered me there, But the taxing
on your physiology with on call, middle of the night,
working twenty four hours at a time, go homelessly for
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three day, three hours, go back and do that two
or three more days. Yeah, eating fucking nothing but coffee
and shitty granola bars, no water at all, booze all
the time to kind of wash all that away.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That was also what was a huge negative impact on
me personally.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You as well, Oh absolutely, well, I'm just literally picturing myself.
And it was after one of the wiretaps. I had
written I don't know what terror was Terry and the
kids weren't home for SA it might have been in
BC or something, and I literally had worked I don't know,
probably thirty six straight hours or something like that. You
come over to come have a drink, and I was incoherent.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You were like you were yawning, like your head was
going to open up the wrong direction and you couldn't
hold your head up.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're like the ugliest newborn ever, like Mork from more
contending reversing age.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, yeah, no, it's uh yeah, those things where what
you're doing is remarkable, and what the EPs is doing
in having you do it is remarkable.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And interestingly, it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's not just the EPs, like you're having contact with
people from other agencies that are doing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh yeah, and I got to I got to be
flown out to buy the RCMP to Frederton and I
presented on their course shout out to stuff start and race.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Average for having.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I went to Northern Saskatchewan Owasca suit to speak at
saskatche And Police.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Association conference, and I've even I.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Spoke like the RCMP crime Labs, so the civilian technicians,
and it's just I get anybody who wants I will
keep talking about all this stuff until they don't, and
then that's all good. But I think every time I
go okay, that should wrap it up for presentations, I
get another couple asks and then I get invited back
into other spaces.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And that's also shows a change in shows a change
in police culture too, that people are actually willing to
listen because I can. I think I could speak for
both of us if somebody would come and to us,
you know, homicider beats, we'd even like, no, thank you.
I don't want to hear about your vasal vegas, fucking
nerve and your breath word basil, vegas, vasil, oh, vasil,
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but it could be basil. I like basils, Basil, I
really like basil.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I like basil. Dad hates basil. That makes no sense.
I hate cilantro.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I know you hate launchro.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It doesn't taste like soap. It tastes like it grew
in a wet ditch. It tastes fucking off.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The only thing is that you do eat cilantro in
the green sauce. I know it doesn't taste like stat
launchro acoho. Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Weird segue a couple of other updates just because it's
going to morph into that. What's coming up next for
me personally is so we got to do that two
nine oh two nine. And if you go back and
listen to the episode talking about regular people are gonna
do ultras, it was a super cool event. Seems like
it's another lifetime ago. But then that kind of made
me go, Okay, well, what else.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And there's a term called misogi, which I learned. It's
an ancient Japanese term I don't know how ancient is,
but popularized by Jesse Issler, who's one of the co
founders of two nine oh tonight, And it's basically your
misogi in a year, what is the one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Big thing that you did that you will remember? Right?
So for me two nine to nine.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
As far as a personal thing, was that maybe doing
this job was also a different misogi because it was
a different change my occupation. So I really like that principle.
So over next year, I'm going to do a triathlon,
which doesn't seem really that big a deal.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's a big deal except for I can't swim.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That's it's a big deal. Yeah. So I can't swim
at all.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And the number of people either who go, how the
fuck can you not swim? Or the number of people
who go I can't swim either is actually way higher
than you think it is. I've heard from both the
I can't believe you can't swim or is actually the minority.
So my friend Andrew Martin from Saint Abert Fire, who
is a diving instructor and we just had a session today,
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is teaching me like a giant baby on how to
swim and doing the most basic stuff. And I gotta
tell you already, after two lessons and one solo session,
I love it. And it's one of those things. I think,
because I'm long and I have big, long monkey arms,
that I will likely actually end up getting good at this.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, I'm sure you will.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And you also have like abnormally long fingers and toes, yes,
which make you probably good, like I would think. So, Yeah,
maybe it'll go in the Olympics or something. I think
it's a little late late for this.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A smidge it is.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It is remarkable that you're learning how to swim in
your fifty three. Yeah, that's insane. And I noticed something
a little bit about your beard. I have to tell
you this. I'm not too trying to offend anybody with
red hair, but I think you had a little bit
of ginger.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There's a smidge there, and there's a smidge of ginger.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You're not dying it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I would not be dying it that way. Imagine smoker's
beard all the darts that I have after you.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I've never noticed that before. Actually, it's always seemed more
white everywhere. But now it looks like maybe you're just
getting younger because you're swimming.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Maybe my wrestling heart rate is super low, and at
sitting in the sauna today, some young kid who's in
there about like fourth year university, and we're I don't
know how We're start talking about it and talking about
resting heart rate.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm like, oh, mine sits around like forty five forty six.
He's like, how, what do you mind at fifty three?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What do you do? So I said, no, this is
what I do for working out.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He's like, yeah, why do you all at too? And
I'm young as you beat him up?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He was a little unus adorable. We went to speaking
this as a sauna story. Totally inappropriate, sonster, but I'm
gonna til it anyway. My wife and I for years
we would stay at the Hotel McDonald for our anniversaries
and we'd always go swim. It's weird because we don't
swim really anywhere else, and we don't usually go into pools,
but for some reason we always go to the pool
at the Hotel mac. I think because it's the saltwater
pool and it's just kind of cool. Well, I go
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into go to when we're going to go in the sauna,
and I opened the sauna door and there's a naked
lady laying there on the sun. She got bottoms on
the topless lady so not naked naked enough, Yeah, that
more naked. Then she show naked and then she should
be and we're kind of I kind of shut the
door and we're walking away and terror system. She must
be waiting for someone. I said, yeah, I've seen a bit,
and I went walked back towards towards the saun and
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she was she was kind of thought it was fun
basically funny, funny, a little bit fun. But yeah it is.
I know we're this is gonna come out. This might
even come out today. I don't know what this is
gonna want on a drop this episode, but it's I'm
turning fifty this year, which is which is in not
this year? And like Monday, Yeah, I turned fifty and
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three days and three days you're not aging?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, no I'm not.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why we nobody's gonna go next to you and go,
oh I have actually fifty.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, what we're gonna be like I thought you were
sixty five?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, But in this year, I also got a couple
of new tattoos, as did you. I got on my
cree name that I was given I'm I'm very white,
but I was given a creenname years ago with seep Muskwa,
which means river bear. So I have a tattoo of
a bear paw with the river running through it. It's
very well done. It's very well done. Showed out to
arteas Tattoos and Jenny Whir And then because of my
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love and my former competitive nature in the boxing ring
and now my announcing fights, my next fight is at
the River Creek Casino and Resort on March first, and
we'll have something gonna be a world title fight for
a Women's International Boxing Association title. So I have a
microphone that an old school dropped down microphone that they
used to use in the old days in boxing on
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my arm.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Which is also very well done.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So and that was my fifteenth birthday present from my
wife along with tickets to my very favorite artist, Jelly Roll.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And I also got a new tattoo and it is
a skull with a gerbera daisy and a cattle. And
I always wanted momentum more is Latin for you will
die one day, and that sounds morbid and yucky, and
back at the probably ten years ago, I had that
more dark view. But it's a good reminder that you
don't know how long you're gonna be here, so do
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the things that you think are cool and awesome, like
learn how to swim or climb a mountain or or whatever.
So I got it, and it's not dark and from
me and my wife is a loves daisies. The traditional days,
he wouldn't look good as a tattoo because white doesn't
go well.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I chose the Gerber so that's for her as well.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But yeah, this iserbera not girl.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'd learned that during when I was get like, it's
not like gerber baby, like the babies.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Oh, it's Gerbera. I've always called him gerber until I
got it. We were talking about I thought you were
having a moment.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm actually being accurate. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm like, I've never ever heard anyone say gerbera daisy.
I know, I've always heard everyone.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Say that's fun.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
They're wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
See see it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now everyone can go home from whatever they're doing because
you've learned something new today.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Possibly mark this day, whatever it's launched to server or
whatever it goes.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I learned a new thing today or you already knew that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you're like, I can't believe those two idiots can
talk about this and didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I also got a new dog this year, you did, Yeah,
just recently. He was a trap post dog, so he
was kind of in a bad way. He was unhoused and.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Nobody's gonna know what a trap host is.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Oh, he was in and out of drug houses because
his owner is struggling. Was I don't know if they
are struggling, and their family felt that the dog was unsafe.
And our winters are well. This winter so far has
been relatively okay, but the last few weeks have been very,
very cold. And these little we one so he's only
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like ten pounds and he's five months old now, and
he is a chiuahua, a Pug Frenchy cross, and he
looks like all of them, like I've.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Never seen that.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I've never seen a dog that has the look of everyone,
because every you tell I tell people that will be like,
oh my god, that really does look like a pug
frend cheet.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
See's just like that's with her ancestry. We're all just
unremarkably white. We look unremarkably we do look on remarkably white.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We would.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, we like a clear crayon, like a clear crown and.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If you are listening, man, mister who wrote the clear
crayon comment to me for those you didn't hear that episode,
if somebody sent me a message on hidden behind an
anonymous name on Twitter x or whatever it is saying,
I'm as useful as a clear My opinions are as
useful as a clear crayon. In my position at a
fifth tier university is akin to being the assistant to
the assistant manager, which was a great insult, and I
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wish I knew who it was, because I'd say, hey,
could you them? I also I find that very I
don't know week week right, Like, if you have something
to say to me, I'm good with that, right and
I know and like, over the since I left policing,
I have been critical at times in the media.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, that's an inaccurate statement.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You were critical at times in the organization, and now
you just have a different manner to describe that you
haven't because I don't. Necessarily I don't disagree with much
on you stay. There's a couple things, but for the
most part not but to give you credit, which just
is so fucking diostteful, because I hate giving you credit.
You have said all these things in the rooms when
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you had the rank of senior officer, and then you
were in the spaces where you could say that it's
no different than the things you've said the whole time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
True, that's fair. I appreciate that. That's a I don't
appreciate it. That's Christmas present, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But I know that it comes acause I was talking
to another former colleague from the EPs this morning, and
he was really good. He he and I have a relationship.
We have had a relationship for a long time. We've been,
you know, basically followed each other around our entire careers
from he was the class right after me, and then
we spent time in different different workplaces together. And he said,
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he goes, I love what you say, he goes, But no,
the problem is now nobody knows who.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You are anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ye so now you're just this guy who comes off
his academic duche academic douchebeg who's critical of the police
all the time. And and and he was like, he
said this, I'll talk about an opportunity that I'm gonna
I'm getting in a little bit here. He basically said,
this opportunity that I have right now is going to
be a really good way for people to see kind
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of the long form of me, because that's not. One
problem with media is you talk to the media for
seventeen minutes and they play thirteen seconds and they get
the gist of what I'm saying, most part quite accurately,
but they also don't get the positive things that they
don't ever seem to put that in there, because I'll
say this was really good police work and this part,
and then they go to the only the critical nature stuff.
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The other place that I get to do that kind
of long form thing is on eight eighty Chad with
Chagan every bi weekly.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who was a guest this year as well.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
He was a guest this year as well, and he
and I get to talk about this stuff and in
long form, so I get to say ninety five percent
of police officers are doing the right thing, blah blah blah,
all the things that I've said before, and are working
hard in the organization and this and that and the other.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I know.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Sometimes when my name comes up, I get compared to
other academics now and say, oh, he's saying the same
thing with that guy saying and what does he know?
Which I totally get because I would have probably talked
like that about me if I was.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We had that conversation because you said I wouldn't hated me,
I'm like, yeah, I fuck, I would have hated files
the patrol sergeant. And then some ex white shirt who
now is an academic was out there chirping I've been
fucked that guy.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Hear about what he's got to say, because there's the
lesson is we always think that there's well, I was
a whatever, I was a superintendent.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Now people are gonna know my legacy. Nobody gives a
fuck about that. And the moment you leave, you are
did you work here? And that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's all good, but it's not good if A you
tie your identity into that, because then it makes it
hard to retire. And B if you think that your
opinions matter beyond you, as Dan Jones can, whether it's
Northwest or not, or it's just your opinion, it doesn't
matter that you were no GPS, or were an inspector,
or did all the great things that you did.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No one gives a fuck no, and nor should they. No.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And legacy is funny because recently Mike Tyson got interviewed
about legacy.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Did I just play that thing look for you?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, So he gets basically interviewed and he's like, legacy,
this is a word. We're all just gonna die anyway, Like,
there's no legacy. And this is from a guy who actually,
I would suggest has somewhat of a legacy like he
but he doesn't. He doesn't believe in that, right, He's
just like, we're just people, man, And I like that.
I like that living that way, like we are just
people and the same thing. If you don't like what
I'm saying, turn off the radio, don't read the article.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Like that's what I do, not for yours, but
other academics, who I think their opinions are fucking stupid.
I'm not reading an article or an OpEd that they've written.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Why would I make myself angry? Exactly? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It's like, listen, I don't listen to politics much because
I generally have no use for any of the politicians
talking right now because they all seem to be failing
at every level.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Doesn't matter left, right, in the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, it's and yeah, I'm the same way with politics.
I'm not a political animal. I couldn't even tell you
if I had to pick a party, which party i'd pick.
I I've always voted, probably very wrongly. I voted for
the always voted for the person who's in that chair.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It sounds like, because you've got gas there, they were
gonna start crying. I voted party.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I was actually trying to stifle a cough and now
you're making me laugh down a coughing. Like I used
to vote for Jeans. Wa was desky and he was
a conservative, and she's one the reason I voted for
Jeans was Desky. He has unfortunately passed away. He was
a great guy and I was on the I was
on the community league, boarded freaking Bernwood for I don't know,
four or five years. He would come and hang out
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with us and just talk. Just just a regular nice human.
And I voted for Oh, I can't Betty, Betty, I
can't think of her last.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Betty Hughes liberal who was liberal.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And she was in the l and I voted for
it because she used to come to the gas station
that we were and she was a sweet lady. So
that's I know, that's not how you're supposed to vote,
but that's how I've always voted. And you know what,
I guess it's my right because I'm Yeah, I'm free
to vote. We all are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well I guess if you're listening from a country that
you're not, then that's probably not it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But that's true in Canada. Yeah, we are free to
vote because we have a weird listener base from across
the world. Yes we do.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, it's not weird, but it's weird to ask the
people that more than the three people we thought initially
would listen to this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, it is something. So the opportunity that I've just
been given, it'll be an We're recording this on December
twentieth at one thirty in the afternoon. Some time later
today there will be an announcement of four new Police
Commission members for the Police Commission, and I've been given
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that opportunity and I'm very excited about it. And I think,
as I've been trying to figure it out, I don't
think there's ever been another retired police officer that has
been lucky or fortunate enough to be given the opportunity
to beyond.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
The Police Commission.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So I think that's kind of a kind of cool
something that's going to be an interesting journey for the
next year.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And as you've pondered this, I have been the devil's
advocate in the room because I don't necessarily think it's
a good thing for your nervous system. It's I have
no doubt it's a good thing for the commission. It'll
probably be a good thing for the EPs. But it's
kind of like you have a fan going and you
just keep sticking your face into that fan and going,
and the wondering why you feel like shit, Well, it's
(26:11):
because I want to change the Oh my god, I
know he make changes. Yeah, with your rose colored glasses,
which are great, good for you. After almost fifty forty
nine and nine tenths.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Still belie systems change. Yeah, someone's got to sure, Yeah,
someone's got That's not me.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not you.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, you believe in differently though I do.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I believe in the individual conversations about whatever it is.
But let's focus on wellness and having that meaningful interaction
with as many people as I can in the day.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That is the change that I can.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But do you not think at some point in time
it's like the old analogy, and I remember it well
from the movie Dragon Bruce Lee movie when he went
when they moved into their new place which was going
to be their dojo, when he dropped a pebble and
he said, listen, and you're gonna hear the and the
Soon the records will go across the whole lake. So
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do you not think in somewhat level, you're dropping a
pebble of wellness? Sure, and you're doing insight out marketing,
which means you're not changing the system, but you're changing
enough people that will then potentially change the sen system.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But I can't focus.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's not a measurable outcome or even an output, and
I don't care. I'm not looking at that because I
have no control over that. So I long ago learned
if I can't control that, that's nothing I need to
put energy into. Did I have a conversation that was
meaningful with this one person? Did they get something out
of the whatever guided imagery or breathwork or whatever we did?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yes, cool vines, that's the win for the day.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, fair enough, Yeah, you are winning the day. Sure.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And then next season, we already have a few people booked,
Like you said, we recorded one a week ago. We're
going to actually we've changed your mind. We're going to
release that as episode one of season four and then
we I think I had about a dozen or fifteen
people on that list that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're going to be booked over the course of the
next year.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I don't know a whole lot about it. But
one other thing that's going to be changing is I'm
also going to have another podcast in addition to this
one with my dear friend Jen Cardoso. I don't remember
the name of it. We did have a name selected,
but I can't remember. It has curiosity in it whatever.
I'll talk more about it later, but it's not a
replacement for this necessarily, but it'll be kind of a
(28:26):
different because she obviously comes with a different background, not
a first responder, So I.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Think that will be a lot more like this. We
talk about wellness and stuff a lot here too, but
I think that one's gonna be a more deeper dive
into them. It will be Wellness World because she's a psychologist.
She's been on the podcast as well if she was
Atthew seasons. Yeah, and she's a psychologist and.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Just just graduated from her master's in psychology and she's
now a therapist.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, so I think that that'll be very interesting podcast
because it's going to come from different lenses, right. So yeah,
and it's very similar to the fact, like really, when
you look at the radio show Me and Shade.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Dude, that's like the other podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, and it gets released as a podcast off from
the radio show, and it's doesn't replace this one.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's just talking differently. So people are just going to
keep listening to Jones's whether they want to or not.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Or turn it off because someone just turn it off.
I think I heard it click click click. I think
they just give it a finger too. Yeah, and I'm
just gonna give a shut out. I'm not even gonna
say where this person is, but I know for a
fact there's a person that listens to our podcast who
I grew up with, who lives in another country. He's
done some shady shit in his life. Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And this is a shout out to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I appreciate you listening because you're the only person from
that specific country that listens to us. I think it's
pretty cool. So yeah, yes, we were talking about let's
I know. One of the things we talked about is
I think we should end this because we are nearing
the Christmas season and every Christmas morning when we are children,
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we watched Salem's Lot.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That was our Christmas movie growing up.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Not Christmas Morning. That was we're watching that Christmas you've
or Christmas Night at Grandma's house.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, I thought it was Christmas Christmas in the morning.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, it was a night.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
It's made it worse so because it's not bright and sunny,
it's dark and scary.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And then there's a vampire tapping at the window that
was scary.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And then we had that tree outside I read on
the planning used to.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Freak me the freak out.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah. So with that, I want to say most watched movie,
favorite movie of all time, and movie like the least
that you've finished Christmas movie or any movie, any movie.
I got it just because it is Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Christmas Vacation is something I've watched I don't know thirty
times if least, so that'd be probably one of the
top Christmas movies. And Terry and I will sit here
because the boys have totally lost interest now with it
because they don't want to watch anymore, and we know
exactly what's coming up. We will pre giggle before that's
whatever happens. Best movie. Oh you didn't prepare me for this.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No. Huge fan of Gladiator, huge fan of Brave Heart.
I can't pick between those who probably Brave Heart over Gladiator.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Mm hmmm, I'm gonna stick without stick with that.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Worst movie ever that I think I actually finished was
Grown Ups Too. I actually am watchable. I have the
same thing and I love Grown Up. Yeah, it's great.
Grown Ups Too was terrible. That's that's why we one
hundred percent agree on that. One Christmas movie. And you
kind of said a Christmas movie. So I'm gonna bring
that into die Hard. We watch, we watch Diehard of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I know there's the argument, this is not a Christmas
it's a Christmas bree It happens at Christmas. There's Christmas trees.
I've only watched Christmas Vacation probably three times it yeah
you too.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's tear it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
My waife doesn't really like that kind of humor. My
favorite movie is The Fighter with Nope, that's the Boxer,
The Fighter with Oh what's it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. W Wahlberg Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
He plays Mickey Ward and Vicky Ecklund is played by
Christian Bale and does a great job. And the one
of the reasons I love that movie so much is
I followed Mickey Ward's career like I knew the ending
of every single fight that was on that movie, because
they did a really good job of accurately depicting who
he thought when he fought them in the timeline, and
I'd watched every one of those fights, and Mickey Ward
(32:22):
is by far one of my favorite fighters in the
in this era, like favorite fighter of all time, Sugar
Ray Robinson. Favorite fighter that is fighting right now currently
would have to be Javonte Davis. I'm sure you know
his career really well. Oh yeah, Tank Kavis. He's from Baltimore,
(32:43):
but that no idea. That previous area was Mickey Ward
and his three fights with Artiro Gaddy were probably the
three best. It's the best trilogy of boxing in the pivot.
And I'm going to have a sports question for you.
Would you give up all three? Well two, but you're
probably going to get a third Super Bowl by the
Kanazaiti Chiefs in the NFL for another oiler, Stanley Cup. Yeah,
(33:08):
I would never watch Green Bay win a Super Bowl again.
If I could watch the Orders, but another Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I would go back in time and give Patrick Mahomes
to the Chargers and let them win so your.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Son can enjoy a season of success.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah no, I yeah, no. The Whilers they're Edminton and
it was we got so spoiled growing up, Like they
were always in the playoffs, they were winning, they were
winning Stanley Cups. And when we were kids, like you know,
we played hockey kind of not well. I played it
way worse than you did.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was, But then I played as an adult, I
played goalie, yeah, which is also weird. In my early
to mid twenties, I actually played.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Gold What was that?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's a myso Misoki, what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I was a masogi for you?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That it was. But we used to play hockey with
little hockey sticks in.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Like gold hockey or whatever all time.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And like me and Sammy were just talking our cousin
sam were just talking about playing hockey with those ball
and with a sponge and then you get sponge, you
get member, you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Get hit and dry your eyeball right out, and dry your.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Eyeball right out. And we'd be in the basement of
Gunghy and Frankie's place. And for anybody who doesn't know
what a gungy is that you shouldn't. It's a word
that Scott he made up when he was a child,
couldn't take crap or gheto so he called him gunghy
and it stuck and he didn't like it, No, he didn't.
And h yeah, her son. I can't remember like guy's name,
but he he was old, Michael, Michael. He always played
with us. He was fun, he was weird. Yeah, he
was weird, but yeah, it wasn't like creepy.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Not creepy weird. Just he was twenty five and we
were seven and he was playing.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Hockey with us. That was weird.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's a little weird, Yeah, a little weird, but not
creepy word, not creepy weird. All right, are we good?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Also, just remember this is just our opinions. Scotten Down's
opinion has nothing to do with where we're working now,
worked in the past, work.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
In the future.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Thank you so much for listening to us this season.
It's always a pleasure, and we do get a fair
amount of feedback, either sent to us on Instagram or
people reach out, and we've get some really good messages,
particularly about when we talk about our own well being.
And it's appreciated that that has impacted folks who maybe
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have taken another step to look after themselves a little
bit more so during this time because it can be tough.
Christmas is a tough time for folks for all the reasons.
But making sure that you give yourself a little bit
of breather here and there, be a little more patient
with yourself. Recognize and it's really dark and cold and yucky.
That means we're biologically and physiologically meant to kind of
(35:38):
just lay low and not be charging off in seventeen
different directions. So do your about to take a breath
and look at yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And that's always just going to do a landing knowledge
a little bit different today we aren't thirty six land.
I know it's the home of the Creed, the Dne,
the Soto, the mayte An, a Shnabe, Dna, Lakota Sioux.
People have walked across our beautiful province and this location
(36:06):
for time in memoriam. But I just want to actually
to honor someone who passed away very recently, who was
a pioneer in the space of advocating and working for
Indigenous people kind of across went to the un around
(36:26):
missing and murdered Indigenous women, has started an organization called
the Institute for the Advancement of Aboriginal Women the Squale.
And yeah, Muriel Stanley Van is her name. She was
an amazing woman. I got to know her through the years.
I got to know her daughter, Michelle, who is also
an amazing woman. And it's interesting if you go certain
(36:48):
times of the year, if you go to the museum downtown,
there is actually an entire thing that honors Miriiel Stanley
Van and the work that she's done because she was
very well known for wearing kind of hats, like cowboy
kind of hats, and they have a whole bunch of
her hats in the museum and it's a really cool thing.
So I just wanted to honor her because she was
(37:10):
a trailblazer. She was one of those people that made
change and uh, and it was really I was an
honor to.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Get to know her.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
And I'm I'm you know, I'm sad for the for
her loss, and I know she's with the Creator now.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So thank you, love you, love you.
Welcome to another episode of Just Us on Justice and
other things. I am Scott Jones, your co host, with
my baby brother Dan Jones, and lurking in the background
who will not be saying any words is Sam Jones,
my youngest boy. But he's just tick tacking away in
his computer. So we're gonna do a year end wrap up.
That's a purpose of today. I think we had what
was it like, fourteen or yeah, we've did fourteen episodes.
(00:23):
We recorded one in the middle there that we're actually
gonna release as episode one of season four. So this
is kind of like again, nothing planned, just bullshitting and
talking about how the year was so specifically to the
podcast as always as super interesting. We got to speak
at a conference to a live audience. We talked of
doctor Mike T. Nelson, who knows all things about the
(00:44):
physiology physiology of human beings and wellness and he's actually
gonna return, I hope in season four as well. We
talked about doing an ultra when Kim Clark and I
did the Ultra supported by Terry and Dan, and we'll
maybe talk about that a little bit more as a
year en up thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I had a great.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Episode of Mike Elliott talking about his journey through policing
and mental well being, Darren Harris talking about compassion.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Just it was just kind of a good year.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm not going to go through each and everyone, but overall,
if you're interested in this and you haven't heard him,
this was a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Season that you'd go back to.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Absolutely. Yah. Know, we we had some good guests. We
talked about some good stuff we had. It's actually been
twenty twenty four has been in a kind of a
I don't know, kind of a nice year.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Actually.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think there's been a lot of good things that
have happened, a lot of positives, a lot of positive
family stuff. My youngest daughter got married this year to
a great guy named what's his name again, Brady, Matt Brady.
I was going to call him Brody. We call him
all kinds of names, Brody, Brad. I think Terry Evensilt
(01:49):
spelled the name along their wedding card. I think she
called it Brad.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think it was Brady.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But when she folded the card over the for whatever reason,
the why was behind it was actually quite funny.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we had and it was good. It was we had.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We had you know, it's been a good family here.
This is more of your stuff than mine. But your
two boys are looking at buying places, which is a
big life change for you and you and your lovely wife.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, my oldest baby's bought a place in a town nearby,
and actually that's where Terry and him are right now
working on painting. And then the youngest and his girlfriend
are looking at a condo in another town nearby. So
we could go from a very full home to a
very empty home, which is all the way it's supposed
to be. But it's a lot of feelings involved in
trepidation a little bit, and yeah, all the things.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, it's interesting because I kind of got to wean
off having kids at home. My oldest Vanessa, moved out
early on at eighteen. She was like she had enough
of me in my roles. And then she came back
for a little while, and then she moved up to
Fort mack And where she no longer lives now lives
in Ontario with her husband, who she married in twenty
(02:54):
twenty two. And then Emma, with Emma was kind of
the that was the weaning off part, because Emma was
a scholarship athlete to Fort mcmurtt to Cano College. She
played soccer there, so we would have no Emma in
the school year except for holidays and then. So that
was kind of a nice way to do it. Like
I was thinking about you guys, and this kind of
the fu the two boys just fucking ninjabombing at the
(03:16):
same time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's like a lot of it's a lot with Yeah,
that's it's good. Yeah, it's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No offense to those who were forty five living their
mom's basement, but that was not the dream for either
of them.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would suspect no, nor for us. So yeah, it's
the right age and right time in their lives.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And Sam will have his own coffee table to look
at Porno. Not just very beside the two.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No comments from Tom.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You can tell uncle down at the cop It's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, no, And it's just been it's been one of
those years. And like you know, I love my job.
I've been very fortunate to get a position that I'm
in at the chair of Justicize at or Quest College.
Of course, nothing we say has anything to do with
my work anywhere anywhere that we worked there, used to
work or have worked but we like some really cool
things happen this year. And it's a tough year for
(04:05):
community colleges, to be honest, because the federal government changed
the rules of the i R s C rules around
international students, but just for community colleges and polytechnics, not
for universities. So you can go get a degree and
whatever and you can come from another another place. And
I find it almost backwards, like because they're saying the
(04:27):
only want them in programs that are job they're going to.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Get jobs right after. That's the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's so it's it's really weird. It's it's it's a
weird decision by the federal government. I don't know how
they make their decisions, but no one does. No. So
that had an impact like on the college as a whole,
that unfortunately doesn't have a major impact on our program.
We have a lot of domestic students. And we got
something really cool this year. We ended up working with
Mnton Community Foundation and we got a grant for Equityuniversity
(04:53):
Inclusion and Decolonization, and that grant got us, it gets
us a few things that's going to have our We're
gonna have four different sweats that we take our our justice.
Students are gonna be able to participate in a much
sweat a lot of ceremony if they want to. And
then we have some money for some course development. But
we also purchase and will be the only college in
the world to have this specific virtual reality set up.
(05:17):
And we're actually the first place in Canada to get it.
Out of everything, it is, well, if you're gonna be
the first in world, of course the first, No, first
to anything in Canada. Sorry, like no police agency has it,
Like we're the first, it's gonna be the first.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
That's not true because I was there in h R
CMP depot about four years ago and they were using
VR in certain capacities.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They were, But this is a new one. This is
this version of it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's VR.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This is so most VR is cig technology. This one
is actual people. They actually film people, so it's and
it's and it's the but then their responsive to you
in the in the thing, so it's the first. Like
the guy from the company we bought this from is
like you were the first people in Canada to have
this technology. You know, he's they're selling one another one
to uh he said something like a counseling place or
(06:03):
something like that in a place that has people with
you know, cognitive issues, and they're sending the same basically
the same thing as all this is is this VR
is there's no violence on it. There's no use of
for us. This is all de escalation training and communications.
So it's gonna be pretty exciting and we're we're pretty
I'm pretty excited that we're you know, getting to do
kind of groundbreaking or shattering stuff at that level.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then just my well, I get to teach at
Northwest as well. Just finished teaching and marking a million
papers over the last two days, so that was nice
to be finished that, and I'm teaching the next term
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But my job at EPs.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I have to give again EPs props here because this
is kind of a They've hired me to do this
job as a wellness navigator and they've kind of let
me do whatever I wanted to within the realm of that.
So it's morphed into many, many presentations to a wide
range of people. Probably I want to say I've probably
(06:58):
talked about fifteen hundred members sworn as civilian now something
there abouts twelve hundred maybe, and we've actually Terry and
I and our friend Kim have put on wildness retreats
for first responders. So we've had our forensic area, we've
had our major collisions, folks. We're going to have another
couple in the new year where we take people through yoga, breathwork,
(07:19):
deliberate cold, deliberate heat, sound bath, mindful walking. I'm giving
first responder populations different tools beyond kind of the usual
quote unquote just go to therapy, which again, therapy played
a big role in both of ours. Yeah, both of
our healing. But that's great if you have access to it.
And again, if you have benefits in a first responder population,
(07:41):
do you like to have access? But what else are
you doing other than that hour a week or two
hours a week or one hour a month or whatever
it is to make sure you're looking after yourself. And
I heard a great analogy, and I can give credit
for it because I can't fucking remember where I heard
it it was. So we have a scale, and oftentimes
we talk about the big tea trauma, so like a
really critical incident or also involved shooting, and that big
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rock lands on that scale and puts us out of.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Bounce, and that happens.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But oftentimes, and I think in our experience was the
small little grains of sand that eventually take.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You out of bounce.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So how do we proactively brush those bright those grains
of sound off before they put you out of bounce?
Is kind of the goal of the material that I'm
putting for.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Which I think is great.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think when you know, hindsight being what it is,
and you start looking back.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And and I think, I don't know, I don't know
if this is the right word, but I hate the
word macho or I don't know what the word I'm
looking for, but I think it was there was something
in our whatever culture makeup and our own selves it
was like, I'm tough enough, I can handle anything.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right. It was this, oh yeah, I saw this horrible
thing today. I'm good. I'm I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna go off where it can be.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, because it was I saw as weakness that you
were disturbed by anything like, well, of course you're not
gonna get bothered by fucking bodies when your homes and
your homes Detective, why what are you talking about it? Yeah,
but you're not actually taking an account and the files
it wasn't really that bothered me there, But the taxing
on your physiology with on call, middle of the night,
working twenty four hours at a time, go homelessly for
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three day, three hours, go back and do that two
or three more days. Yeah, eating fucking nothing but coffee
and shitty granola bars, no water at all, booze all
the time to kind of wash all that away.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That was also what was a huge negative impact on
me personally.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You as well, Oh absolutely, well, I'm just literally picturing myself.
And it was after one of the wiretaps. I had
written I don't know what terror was Terry and the
kids weren't home for SA it might have been in
BC or something, and I literally had worked I don't know,
probably thirty six straight hours or something like that. You
come over to come have a drink, and I was incoherent.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You were like you were yawning, like your head was
going to open up the wrong direction and you couldn't
hold your head up.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're like the ugliest newborn ever, like Mork from more
contending reversing age.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, yeah, no, it's uh yeah, those things where what
you're doing is remarkable, and what the EPs is doing
in having you do it is remarkable.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And interestingly, it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's not just the EPs, like you're having contact with
people from other agencies that are doing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh yeah, and I got to I got to be
flown out to buy the RCMP to Frederton and I
presented on their course shout out to stuff start and race.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Average for having.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I went to Northern Saskatchewan Owasca suit to speak at
saskatche And Police.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Association conference, and I've even I.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Spoke like the RCMP crime Labs, so the civilian technicians,
and it's just I get anybody who wants I will
keep talking about all this stuff until they don't, and
then that's all good. But I think every time I
go okay, that should wrap it up for presentations, I
get another couple asks and then I get invited back
into other spaces.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And that's also shows a change in shows a change
in police culture too, that people are actually willing to
listen because I can. I think I could speak for
both of us if somebody would come and to us,
you know, homicider beats, we'd even like, no, thank you.
I don't want to hear about your vasal vegas, fucking
nerve and your breath word basil, vegas, vasil, oh, vasil,
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but it could be basil. I like basils, Basil, I
really like basil.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I like basil. Dad hates basil. That makes no sense.
I hate cilantro.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I know you hate launchro.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It doesn't taste like soap. It tastes like it grew
in a wet ditch. It tastes fucking off.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The only thing is that you do eat cilantro in
the green sauce. I know it doesn't taste like stat
launchro acoho. Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Weird segue a couple of other updates just because it's
going to morph into that. What's coming up next for
me personally is so we got to do that two
nine oh two nine. And if you go back and
listen to the episode talking about regular people are gonna
do ultras, it was a super cool event. Seems like
it's another lifetime ago. But then that kind of made
me go, Okay, well, what else.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And there's a term called misogi, which I learned. It's
an ancient Japanese term I don't know how ancient is,
but popularized by Jesse Issler, who's one of the co
founders of two nine oh tonight, And it's basically your
misogi in a year, what is the one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Big thing that you did that you will remember? Right?
So for me two nine to nine.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
As far as a personal thing, was that maybe doing
this job was also a different misogi because it was
a different change my occupation. So I really like that principle.
So over next year, I'm going to do a triathlon,
which doesn't seem really that big a deal.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's a big deal except for I can't swim.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That's it's a big deal. Yeah. So I can't swim
at all.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And the number of people either who go, how the
fuck can you not swim? Or the number of people
who go I can't swim either is actually way higher
than you think it is. I've heard from both the
I can't believe you can't swim or is actually the minority.
So my friend Andrew Martin from Saint Abert Fire, who
is a diving instructor and we just had a session today,
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is teaching me like a giant baby on how to
swim and doing the most basic stuff. And I gotta
tell you already, after two lessons and one solo session,
I love it. And it's one of those things. I think,
because I'm long and I have big, long monkey arms,
that I will likely actually end up getting good at this.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, I'm sure you will.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And you also have like abnormally long fingers and toes, yes,
which make you probably good, like I would think. So, Yeah,
maybe it'll go in the Olympics or something. I think
it's a little late late for this.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A smidge it is.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It is remarkable that you're learning how to swim in
your fifty three. Yeah, that's insane. And I noticed something
a little bit about your beard. I have to tell
you this. I'm not too trying to offend anybody with
red hair, but I think you had a little bit
of ginger.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There's a smidge there, and there's a smidge of ginger.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You're not dying it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I would not be dying it that way. Imagine smoker's
beard all the darts that I have after you.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I've never noticed that before. Actually, it's always seemed more
white everywhere. But now it looks like maybe you're just
getting younger because you're swimming.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Maybe my wrestling heart rate is super low, and at
sitting in the sauna today, some young kid who's in
there about like fourth year university, and we're I don't
know how We're start talking about it and talking about
resting heart rate.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm like, oh, mine sits around like forty five forty six.
He's like, how, what do you mind at fifty three?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What do you do? So I said, no, this is
what I do for working out.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He's like, yeah, why do you all at too? And
I'm young as you beat him up?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He was a little unus adorable. We went to speaking
this as a sauna story. Totally inappropriate, sonster, but I'm
gonna til it anyway. My wife and I for years
we would stay at the Hotel McDonald for our anniversaries
and we'd always go swim. It's weird because we don't
swim really anywhere else, and we don't usually go into pools,
but for some reason we always go to the pool
at the Hotel mac. I think because it's the saltwater
pool and it's just kind of cool. Well, I go
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into go to when we're going to go in the sauna,
and I opened the sauna door and there's a naked
lady laying there on the sun. She got bottoms on
the topless lady so not naked naked enough, Yeah, that
more naked. Then she show naked and then she should
be and we're kind of I kind of shut the
door and we're walking away and terror system. She must
be waiting for someone. I said, yeah, I've seen a bit,
and I went walked back towards towards the saun and
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she was she was kind of thought it was fun
basically funny, funny, a little bit fun. But yeah it is.
I know we're this is gonna come out. This might
even come out today. I don't know what this is
gonna want on a drop this episode, but it's I'm
turning fifty this year, which is which is in not
this year? And like Monday, Yeah, I turned fifty and
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three days and three days you're not aging?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, no I'm not.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why we nobody's gonna go next to you and go,
oh I have actually fifty.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, what we're gonna be like I thought you were
sixty five?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, But in this year, I also got a couple
of new tattoos, as did you. I got on my
cree name that I was given I'm I'm very white,
but I was given a creenname years ago with seep Muskwa,
which means river bear. So I have a tattoo of
a bear paw with the river running through it. It's
very well done. It's very well done. Showed out to
arteas Tattoos and Jenny Whir And then because of my
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love and my former competitive nature in the boxing ring
and now my announcing fights, my next fight is at
the River Creek Casino and Resort on March first, and
we'll have something gonna be a world title fight for
a Women's International Boxing Association title. So I have a
microphone that an old school dropped down microphone that they
used to use in the old days in boxing on
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my arm.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Which is also very well done.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So and that was my fifteenth birthday present from my
wife along with tickets to my very favorite artist, Jelly Roll.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And I also got a new tattoo and it is
a skull with a gerbera daisy and a cattle. And
I always wanted momentum more is Latin for you will
die one day, and that sounds morbid and yucky, and
back at the probably ten years ago, I had that
more dark view. But it's a good reminder that you
don't know how long you're gonna be here, so do
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the things that you think are cool and awesome, like
learn how to swim or climb a mountain or or whatever.
So I got it, and it's not dark and from
me and my wife is a loves daisies. The traditional days,
he wouldn't look good as a tattoo because white doesn't
go well.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I chose the Gerber so that's for her as well.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But yeah, this iserbera not girl.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'd learned that during when I was get like, it's
not like gerber baby, like the babies.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Oh, it's Gerbera. I've always called him gerber until I
got it. We were talking about I thought you were
having a moment.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm actually being accurate. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm like, I've never ever heard anyone say gerbera daisy.
I know, I've always heard everyone.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Say that's fun.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
They're wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
See see it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now everyone can go home from whatever they're doing because
you've learned something new today.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Possibly mark this day, whatever it's launched to server or
whatever it goes.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I learned a new thing today or you already knew that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you're like, I can't believe those two idiots can
talk about this and didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I also got a new dog this year, you did, Yeah,
just recently. He was a trap post dog, so he
was kind of in a bad way. He was unhoused and.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Nobody's gonna know what a trap host is.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Oh, he was in and out of drug houses because
his owner is struggling. Was I don't know if they
are struggling, and their family felt that the dog was unsafe.
And our winters are well. This winter so far has
been relatively okay, but the last few weeks have been very,
very cold. And these little we one so he's only
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like ten pounds and he's five months old now, and
he is a chiuahua, a Pug Frenchy cross, and he
looks like all of them, like I've.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Never seen that.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I've never seen a dog that has the look of everyone,
because every you tell I tell people that will be like,
oh my god, that really does look like a pug
frend cheet.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
See's just like that's with her ancestry. We're all just
unremarkably white. We look unremarkably we do look on remarkably white.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We would.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, we like a clear crayon, like a clear crown and.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If you are listening, man, mister who wrote the clear
crayon comment to me for those you didn't hear that episode,
if somebody sent me a message on hidden behind an
anonymous name on Twitter x or whatever it is saying,
I'm as useful as a clear My opinions are as
useful as a clear crayon. In my position at a
fifth tier university is akin to being the assistant to
the assistant manager, which was a great insult, and I
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wish I knew who it was, because I'd say, hey,
could you them? I also I find that very I
don't know week week right, Like, if you have something
to say to me, I'm good with that, right and
I know and like, over the since I left policing,
I have been critical at times in the media.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, that's an inaccurate statement.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You were critical at times in the organization, and now
you just have a different manner to describe that you
haven't because I don't. Necessarily I don't disagree with much
on you stay. There's a couple things, but for the
most part not but to give you credit, which just
is so fucking diostteful, because I hate giving you credit.
You have said all these things in the rooms when
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you had the rank of senior officer, and then you
were in the spaces where you could say that it's
no different than the things you've said the whole time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
True, that's fair. I appreciate that. That's a I don't
appreciate it. That's Christmas present, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But I know that it comes acause I was talking
to another former colleague from the EPs this morning, and
he was really good. He he and I have a relationship.
We have had a relationship for a long time. We've been,
you know, basically followed each other around our entire careers
from he was the class right after me, and then
we spent time in different different workplaces together. And he said,
(20:31):
he goes, I love what you say, he goes, But no,
the problem is now nobody knows who.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You are anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ye so now you're just this guy who comes off
his academic duche academic douchebeg who's critical of the police
all the time. And and and he was like, he
said this, I'll talk about an opportunity that I'm gonna
I'm getting in a little bit here. He basically said,
this opportunity that I have right now is going to
be a really good way for people to see kind
(20:58):
of the long form of me, because that's not. One
problem with media is you talk to the media for
seventeen minutes and they play thirteen seconds and they get
the gist of what I'm saying, most part quite accurately,
but they also don't get the positive things that they
don't ever seem to put that in there, because I'll
say this was really good police work and this part,
and then they go to the only the critical nature stuff.
(21:19):
The other place that I get to do that kind
of long form thing is on eight eighty Chad with
Chagan every bi weekly.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who was a guest this year as well.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
He was a guest this year as well, and he
and I get to talk about this stuff and in
long form, so I get to say ninety five percent
of police officers are doing the right thing, blah blah blah,
all the things that I've said before, and are working
hard in the organization and this and that and the other.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I know.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Sometimes when my name comes up, I get compared to
other academics now and say, oh, he's saying the same
thing with that guy saying and what does he know?
Which I totally get because I would have probably talked
like that about me if I was.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We had that conversation because you said I wouldn't hated me,
I'm like, yeah, I fuck, I would have hated files
the patrol sergeant. And then some ex white shirt who
now is an academic was out there chirping I've been
fucked that guy.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Hear about what he's got to say, because there's the
lesson is we always think that there's well, I was
a whatever, I was a superintendent.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Now people are gonna know my legacy. Nobody gives a
fuck about that. And the moment you leave, you are
did you work here? And that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's all good, but it's not good if A you
tie your identity into that, because then it makes it
hard to retire. And B if you think that your
opinions matter beyond you, as Dan Jones can, whether it's
Northwest or not, or it's just your opinion, it doesn't
matter that you were no GPS, or were an inspector,
or did all the great things that you did.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No one gives a fuck no, and nor should they. No.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And legacy is funny because recently Mike Tyson got interviewed
about legacy.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Did I just play that thing look for you?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, So he gets basically interviewed and he's like, legacy,
this is a word. We're all just gonna die anyway, Like,
there's no legacy. And this is from a guy who actually,
I would suggest has somewhat of a legacy like he
but he doesn't. He doesn't believe in that, right, He's
just like, we're just people, man, And I like that.
I like that living that way, like we are just
people and the same thing. If you don't like what
I'm saying, turn off the radio, don't read the article.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Like that's what I do, not for yours, but
other academics, who I think their opinions are fucking stupid.
I'm not reading an article or an OpEd that they've written.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Why would I make myself angry? Exactly? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It's like, listen, I don't listen to politics much because
I generally have no use for any of the politicians
talking right now because they all seem to be failing
at every level.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Doesn't matter left, right, in the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, it's and yeah, I'm the same way with politics.
I'm not a political animal. I couldn't even tell you
if I had to pick a party, which party i'd pick.
I I've always voted, probably very wrongly. I voted for
the always voted for the person who's in that chair.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It sounds like, because you've got gas there, they were
gonna start crying. I voted party.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I was actually trying to stifle a cough and now
you're making me laugh down a coughing. Like I used
to vote for Jeans. Wa was desky and he was
a conservative, and she's one the reason I voted for
Jeans was Desky. He has unfortunately passed away. He was
a great guy and I was on the I was
on the community league, boarded freaking Bernwood for I don't know,
four or five years. He would come and hang out
(24:21):
with us and just talk. Just just a regular nice human.
And I voted for Oh, I can't Betty, Betty, I
can't think of her last.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Betty Hughes liberal who was liberal.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And she was in the l and I voted for
it because she used to come to the gas station
that we were and she was a sweet lady. So
that's I know, that's not how you're supposed to vote,
but that's how I've always voted. And you know what,
I guess it's my right because I'm Yeah, I'm free
to vote. We all are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well I guess if you're listening from a country that
you're not, then that's probably not it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But that's true in Canada. Yeah, we are free to
vote because we have a weird listener base from across
the world. Yes we do.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, it's not weird, but it's weird to ask the
people that more than the three people we thought initially
would listen to this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, it is something. So the opportunity that I've just
been given, it'll be an We're recording this on December
twentieth at one thirty in the afternoon. Some time later
today there will be an announcement of four new Police
Commission members for the Police Commission, and I've been given
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that opportunity and I'm very excited about it. And I think,
as I've been trying to figure it out, I don't
think there's ever been another retired police officer that has
been lucky or fortunate enough to be given the opportunity
to beyond.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
The Police Commission.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So I think that's kind of a kind of cool
something that's going to be an interesting journey for the
next year.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And as you've pondered this, I have been the devil's
advocate in the room because I don't necessarily think it's
a good thing for your nervous system. It's I have
no doubt it's a good thing for the commission. It'll
probably be a good thing for the EPs. But it's
kind of like you have a fan going and you
just keep sticking your face into that fan and going,
and the wondering why you feel like shit, Well, it's
(26:11):
because I want to change the Oh my god, I
know he make changes. Yeah, with your rose colored glasses,
which are great, good for you. After almost fifty forty
nine and nine tenths.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Still belie systems change. Yeah, someone's got to sure, Yeah,
someone's got That's not me.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not you.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, you believe in differently though I do.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I believe in the individual conversations about whatever it is.
But let's focus on wellness and having that meaningful interaction
with as many people as I can in the day.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That is the change that I can.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But do you not think at some point in time
it's like the old analogy, and I remember it well
from the movie Dragon Bruce Lee movie when he went
when they moved into their new place which was going
to be their dojo, when he dropped a pebble and
he said, listen, and you're gonna hear the and the
Soon the records will go across the whole lake. So
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do you not think in somewhat level, you're dropping a
pebble of wellness? Sure, and you're doing insight out marketing,
which means you're not changing the system, but you're changing
enough people that will then potentially change the sen system.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But I can't focus.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's not a measurable outcome or even an output, and
I don't care. I'm not looking at that because I
have no control over that. So I long ago learned
if I can't control that, that's nothing I need to
put energy into. Did I have a conversation that was
meaningful with this one person? Did they get something out
of the whatever guided imagery or breathwork or whatever we did?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yes, cool vines, that's the win for the day.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, fair enough, Yeah, you are winning the day. Sure.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And then next season, we already have a few people booked,
Like you said, we recorded one a week ago. We're
going to actually we've changed your mind. We're going to
release that as episode one of season four and then
we I think I had about a dozen or fifteen
people on that list that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're going to be booked over the course of the
next year.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I don't know a whole lot about it. But
one other thing that's going to be changing is I'm
also going to have another podcast in addition to this
one with my dear friend Jen Cardoso. I don't remember
the name of it. We did have a name selected,
but I can't remember. It has curiosity in it whatever.
I'll talk more about it later, but it's not a
replacement for this necessarily, but it'll be kind of a
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different because she obviously comes with a different background, not
a first responder, So I.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Think that will be a lot more like this. We
talk about wellness and stuff a lot here too, but
I think that one's gonna be a more deeper dive
into them. It will be Wellness World because she's a psychologist.
She's been on the podcast as well if she was
Atthew seasons. Yeah, and she's a psychologist and.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Just just graduated from her master's in psychology and she's
now a therapist.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, so I think that that'll be very interesting podcast
because it's going to come from different lenses, right. So yeah,
and it's very similar to the fact, like really, when
you look at the radio show Me and Shade.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Dude, that's like the other podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, and it gets released as a podcast off from
the radio show, and it's doesn't replace this one.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's just talking differently. So people are just going to
keep listening to Jones's whether they want to or not.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Or turn it off because someone just turn it off.
I think I heard it click click click. I think
they just give it a finger too. Yeah, and I'm
just gonna give a shut out. I'm not even gonna
say where this person is, but I know for a
fact there's a person that listens to our podcast who
I grew up with, who lives in another country. He's
done some shady shit in his life. Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And this is a shout out to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I appreciate you listening because you're the only person from
that specific country that listens to us. I think it's
pretty cool. So yeah, yes, we were talking about let's
I know. One of the things we talked about is
I think we should end this because we are nearing
the Christmas season and every Christmas morning when we are children,
(29:55):
we watched Salem's Lot.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That was our Christmas movie growing up.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Not Christmas Morning. That was we're watching that Christmas you've
or Christmas Night at Grandma's house.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, I thought it was Christmas Christmas in the morning.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, it was a night.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
It's made it worse so because it's not bright and sunny,
it's dark and scary.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And then there's a vampire tapping at the window that
was scary.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And then we had that tree outside I read on
the planning used to.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Freak me the freak out.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah. So with that, I want to say most watched movie,
favorite movie of all time, and movie like the least
that you've finished Christmas movie or any movie, any movie.
I got it just because it is Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Christmas Vacation is something I've watched I don't know thirty
times if least, so that'd be probably one of the
top Christmas movies. And Terry and I will sit here
because the boys have totally lost interest now with it
because they don't want to watch anymore, and we know
exactly what's coming up. We will pre giggle before that's
whatever happens. Best movie. Oh you didn't prepare me for this.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No. Huge fan of Gladiator, huge fan of Brave Heart.
I can't pick between those who probably Brave Heart over Gladiator.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Mm hmmm, I'm gonna stick without stick with that.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Worst movie ever that I think I actually finished was
Grown Ups Too. I actually am watchable. I have the
same thing and I love Grown Up. Yeah, it's great.
Grown Ups Too was terrible. That's that's why we one
hundred percent agree on that. One Christmas movie. And you
kind of said a Christmas movie. So I'm gonna bring
that into die Hard. We watch, we watch Diehard of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I know there's the argument, this is not a Christmas
it's a Christmas bree It happens at Christmas. There's Christmas trees.
I've only watched Christmas Vacation probably three times it yeah
you too.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's tear it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
My waife doesn't really like that kind of humor. My
favorite movie is The Fighter with Nope, that's the Boxer,
The Fighter with Oh what's it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. W Wahlberg Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
He plays Mickey Ward and Vicky Ecklund is played by
Christian Bale and does a great job. And the one
of the reasons I love that movie so much is
I followed Mickey Ward's career like I knew the ending
of every single fight that was on that movie, because
they did a really good job of accurately depicting who
he thought when he fought them in the timeline, and
I'd watched every one of those fights, and Mickey Ward
(32:22):
is by far one of my favorite fighters in the
in this era, like favorite fighter of all time, Sugar
Ray Robinson. Favorite fighter that is fighting right now currently
would have to be Javonte Davis. I'm sure you know
his career really well. Oh yeah, Tank Kavis. He's from Baltimore,
(32:43):
but that no idea. That previous area was Mickey Ward
and his three fights with Artiro Gaddy were probably the
three best. It's the best trilogy of boxing in the pivot.
And I'm going to have a sports question for you.
Would you give up all three? Well two, but you're
probably going to get a third Super Bowl by the
Kanazaiti Chiefs in the NFL for another oiler, Stanley Cup. Yeah,
(33:08):
I would never watch Green Bay win a Super Bowl again.
If I could watch the Orders, but another Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I would go back in time and give Patrick Mahomes
to the Chargers and let them win so your.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Son can enjoy a season of success.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah no, I yeah, no. The Whilers they're Edminton and
it was we got so spoiled growing up, Like they
were always in the playoffs, they were winning, they were
winning Stanley Cups. And when we were kids, like you know,
we played hockey kind of not well. I played it
way worse than you did.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was, But then I played as an adult, I
played goalie, yeah, which is also weird. In my early
to mid twenties, I actually played.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Gold What was that?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's a myso Misoki, what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I was a masogi for you?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That it was. But we used to play hockey with
little hockey sticks in.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Like gold hockey or whatever all time.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And like me and Sammy were just talking our cousin
sam were just talking about playing hockey with those ball
and with a sponge and then you get sponge, you
get member, you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Get hit and dry your eyeball right out, and dry your.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Eyeball right out. And we'd be in the basement of
Gunghy and Frankie's place. And for anybody who doesn't know
what a gungy is that you shouldn't. It's a word
that Scott he made up when he was a child,
couldn't take crap or gheto so he called him gunghy
and it stuck and he didn't like it, No, he didn't.
And h yeah, her son. I can't remember like guy's name,
but he he was old, Michael, Michael. He always played
with us. He was fun, he was weird. Yeah, he
was weird, but yeah, it wasn't like creepy.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Not creepy weird. Just he was twenty five and we
were seven and he was playing.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Hockey with us. That was weird.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's a little weird, Yeah, a little weird, but not
creepy word, not creepy weird. All right, are we good?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Also, just remember this is just our opinions. Scotten Down's
opinion has nothing to do with where we're working now,
worked in the past, work.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
In the future.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Thank you so much for listening to us this season.
It's always a pleasure, and we do get a fair
amount of feedback, either sent to us on Instagram or
people reach out, and we've get some really good messages,
particularly about when we talk about our own well being.
And it's appreciated that that has impacted folks who maybe
(35:17):
have taken another step to look after themselves a little
bit more so during this time because it can be tough.
Christmas is a tough time for folks for all the reasons.
But making sure that you give yourself a little bit
of breather here and there, be a little more patient
with yourself. Recognize and it's really dark and cold and yucky.
That means we're biologically and physiologically meant to kind of
(35:38):
just lay low and not be charging off in seventeen
different directions. So do your about to take a breath
and look at yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And that's always just going to do a landing knowledge
a little bit different today we aren't thirty six land.
I know it's the home of the Creed, the Dne,
the Soto, the mayte An, a Shnabe, Dna, Lakota Sioux.
People have walked across our beautiful province and this location
(36:06):
for time in memoriam. But I just want to actually
to honor someone who passed away very recently, who was
a pioneer in the space of advocating and working for
Indigenous people kind of across went to the un around
(36:26):
missing and murdered Indigenous women, has started an organization called
the Institute for the Advancement of Aboriginal Women the Squale.
And yeah, Muriel Stanley Van is her name. She was
an amazing woman. I got to know her through the years.
I got to know her daughter, Michelle, who is also
an amazing woman. And it's interesting if you go certain
(36:48):
times of the year, if you go to the museum downtown,
there is actually an entire thing that honors Miriiel Stanley
Van and the work that she's done because she was
very well known for wearing kind of hats, like cowboy
kind of hats, and they have a whole bunch of
her hats in the museum and it's a really cool thing.
So I just wanted to honor her because she was
(37:10):
a trailblazer. She was one of those people that made
change and uh, and it was really I was an
honor to.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Get to know her.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
And I'm I'm you know, I'm sad for the for
her loss, and I know she's with the Creator now.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So thank you, love you, love you.
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