Ordinary People Can Do Ultras - Season 3 Episode 11

This episode from Whistler BC guest hosted by Terri Jones where we chat about the experiences of Kim Clark (Grykuliak) and Scott Jones as they recap how they earned a Red Hat at 29029 (Everesting).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to another edition of just Us on Justice and
other things. This is Terry Jones, wife of one of
your hosts, Scott Jones, and sister in law to Dan Jones.
So we have a circle today and sitting here with
me today is Dan, our dear friend Kim Scott and

(00:27):
myself Terry, and we are a day after these two
wonderful human beings have finished an amazing event two nine
two nine. That is the that is the elevation of
Mount Everest. And there is an event that happens throughout

(00:51):
the spring, summer and fall in North America at mountains
across North America where you have to climb the same
distance as covering Mount Everest.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Absolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
So the event that Scott and Kim did is here
in Whistler. So we are sitting in a beautiful condo
just outside of the town of Whistler. Had a nice
little fire going this morning, catching up about the last
couple of days. That has been a whirlwind of tears
and laughter and stories and just really such an amazing

(01:27):
time together. So what is this everesting event? They had
to climb up the Whistler mountain eight times and then
you take the gondola back down, so each ascent is
about six point four kilometers for a total of fifty

(01:48):
one point two kilometers that is all up hill. It's insane,
so every ascent you gain four thousand vertical feet. There
were about three I learned fifty people that took part
in the event the past two days. The participants have
thirty six hours to complete this event. It was about

(02:09):
forty eight percent female participants, fifty two percent were males,
and sixty seven percent of the field completed the eight
ascents this year, which is absolutely amazing. We're going to
talk about the trail, We're going to talk about some
of the prep, We're going to talk about the insane weather,
the community, and I am going to pass the mic

(02:33):
now over to Dan to ask a few questions of
Scott and Kim. It was just super super fun and
we want to give you as much detail as we can.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
So first of all, i'd before I ask some questions,
I just want to say that you guys did this
last well, Kim did this last year, and Scott supported
it last year as a volunteer.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Scott went into.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It with the same mindset I went into it with,
this is insane I'll never do it, and then did it.
I went in with the same mindset and I maintained
I'll never ever do it. So my first question, I'm asked, Kim,
because you were the person who kind of found this,
I guess in Layman's turns why.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
I found the event after listening to a podcast, the
Ritual Podcast, and he had a guest, Colin O'Brady, who
was talking about the twelve hour walk concept that you
guys have talked about on the podcast a little bit,
very briefly, walk out your door. You've got twelve hours
no input. Move your body as much as you can.
So then I bought the book, read the book, and

(03:36):
then buried in There was this concept of twenty nine
oh twenty nine. I don't really know what it was
about it that just kind of latched on, but it
was one of those rare moments where there was it
was just very clear that I had to go do this.
So last year I decided I was going to do it,
and I went and tried to get a ticket, and

(03:58):
I really didn't know much about much last year, and
so on registration day I was ready to go and
somehow got a ticket with the perspective of this year,
I now realize how incredibly rare that is. They're very
hard to get alumni get first pick, but I was
able to get a ticket. So I did it because

(04:19):
it just seemed like a really audacious thing to do.
It was very out pushing the boundaries, and it wasn't
a running event, which I at that point didn't have
any interest in.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So that was kind of the why.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
And I'm gonna flip that over to you.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
So Scottie, he went, You supported, you volunteered, and I
know we talked a little bit about it in a
previous podcast.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
You had an extremely.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Biblical experience, for lack of a better, powerful experience in
your volunteering. So what shifted you from I'll never do
this to fuck yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
I think because it took till all the way through
the second day day one, I'm still like, this is
fucking stupid.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I have no desire to do this at all.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
And then I literally had conversations with probably all three
hundred some participants last year and I was probably asked
fifty times have you done this before? I'm like no,
and every single person you should like, I don't know,
this is pretty far. And then by day two, I'm like, ah,
for fuck's sake, I think I have to now because
I just I've always enjoyed the suffering in the trees.

(05:23):
That's been a part of my whatever, regulating my nervous system.
And this is the ultimate suffering the trees, because you
are suffering and there's nothing but trees for hours at
a time. And then it was kind of closing the
book on my policing career. So it was a nice
kind of exclamation point to go, Okay, that was chapter
A awesome, cool job, loved it, don't want to do

(05:44):
it anymore. This was a nice way to kind of
just put a bowl around that and then do something.
I like the word audacious, do something audacious.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So Scott and I had the chance to be Kim's
support team last year, and she, as she said, and
into it a little blind, like to do that by
yourself last year was absolutely incredibly courageous. And you did
seven ascents last year by yourself in the dark. It
was just bonkers. So we had your experience to build

(06:17):
on from last year, and then this year we come back.
We've got my son Jack Dan and myself. Yeah I
always do that, Yeah, Yeah, my beautiful sun Jack our
sun Jack as the support team, which worked out really
well with the two of you guys. So we got
the support team in place. You guys are both doing it.

(06:39):
You started training like last September and did this insane
training schedule of like hills and stars and ridiculously long walks,
and so what was different about this year, like the preparation,
getting ready, having a training partner like tell us a

(07:01):
little bit about getting ready for this year.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Well, virtually everything was different. I like to be generous
and say like, yeah, about ninety percent different, and then
Scott corrects me and say, like, no, it was ninety
nine percent.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
You didn't do shit. I really didn't.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I didn't train last year, and not that was my
own doing. It wasn't from the event. The event does
such a great job of building a community and of
keeping you engaged through emails and social media kind of
right from registration point. They give you a twenty week
training plan that comes with four tiers that you.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Can follow along to. There's coaching calls that you can.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Log onto, and that was all still accessible to me
last year. I just wasn't in the space that I
chose to do that. So what was different this year, well,
most importantly having to do it with and then actually

(08:05):
following the training plan, and the.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Training looked like as it was, yeah, probably whatever October
November last year, and because of my contrarian nature, I
wasn't really following the plan, like I haven't actually really
looked at it, and if Kim didn't send it to me,
I wouldn't have looked at.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Any of it.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
I didn't watch coaching calls all that, but she did
and kind of sent the Cole's notes version of it.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
And what training.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Looked like was actually starting because I'm now fifty three,
very slow and measured and not overdoing it at the
start to make sure that I would be healthy and
well at the end, which serves you well during the
event as well, because you kind of have to start
out slower than you think in able to be able
to finish it.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
So we did starting very early on.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
I got that was like three sets of stairs in
a half an hour or walking five kilometers or something
like that, and culminating with I think our last big
long training day in Edmonton was seventy one sets of stairs,
and by a set of stairs, I mean about one
hundred and twenty five stairs, so I think that's about

(09:13):
eight flights when we kind of done the math, so
eight flights times seventy one, so whatever that math is.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
And then we also walked.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Thirty three k that day, I think, So they were
like eight to ten hour days by the.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
End of it.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Only one time that I have to pause because my
IT bands got glitchy in about early July, so took
a week off entirely, which was Godsend, and then this
last week leading up to.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
This took the week off entirely as well.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
So by the time we were done, because Kim tracks
all the numbers, we did five hundred and one sets
of stairs, which is sixty two six hundred and twenty
five stairs and one hundred and nine hours. And that's
that's just our one day a week long day. Because
she had her own training plan with Waits et cetera.
I run once a week still, and I ran anywhere
from six to twelve kilometers out of time, and then

(10:04):
I was doing waits a couple times a week and
then doing or teaching yoga two to three times a week.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
So here's the thing, and this is I think important
for people that are interested in anything whether it's ultra
marathon training for any type of like rugby, all the
any whatever sport. I think the thing that people forget
about the training that we're talking about is important, But
what about the how do you keep your body able

(10:30):
to train? Like what are you doing as far as
whether it's yoga or you know, I've learned about thera
guns and fucking red light lamps and a fucking mask
that looks like evil shit.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I don't know what that's all about. But you've got
these amazing training things.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And I think we always talk about the training and
we watch shows, well, we'll watch football football team members
like Kicking It, and you watch boxers and you know,
they do the twenty four to seven and they show
these guys boom boom, boom boom hitting the bag. What
they don't show was ice baths and all this stuff.
So when I want to take that question.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
On, I think for me, it looked like a lot
more body awareness. And yes, there were these long days,
but it also allowed me to be more conscious of
what I was doing on the non long days or
the non workout days, because really the goal was you
wanted to stay well.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
That was the biggest goal.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
For me, aside from wanting to finish it this year,
was to finish it well, and that's what I was
hoping to get from training and then we'll talk about
it more. But it was also the intake of food.
The amount of food that you actually needed to eat
to be able to fuel yourself to do all of
this was far more than I actually thought that I
could ever consume. And it's so contradictory to what especially

(11:49):
as a female, you grow up hearing where you're supposed
to not eat so much and you're supposed to be thinner,
and for me dealing with body dysmorphia, the shift to
fueling can make you strong. Took a lot of space
in my head for a lot of it, but settled really,
really well. There would be times on the mountains where

(12:09):
that mantra of like you've built these legs, these are
not the same legs you had last year, was really
really helpful. So the training days together definitely helped, and
then just more of a kind of whole body and
that mind connection all the way through and all that.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
But as well, I've been doing yoga because of Terry
basically bullied me into being a yoga participant.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
And then a yoga teacher.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
I know, for sure yoga save my body because I
was either doing a practice or for sure teaching a
couple three times a week and maintaining that kind of
functional movement because he's going to well, I don't know
what yoga is, or they'll have a preconceived notion. For me,
it's just moving functionally from the bottom of my feet
to the top of my head and making sure all

(12:53):
the parts are kind of aligned, and then back to
that bodywearness so you're like, oh, that's a little tweaked
that I need to that off or whatever, and then
maintaining all of that.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Just like I just want to get a clarity on yoga.
I get what you're saying, functional movement, but there's also
a mindfulness to it where you're and I think like,
because I think yoga gets convoluted with stretching like they're
and they're not the same. Can you just maybe Terry
can touch on why they're not the same?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, I mean we've we've down and I were talking
about this off the hill for I think for both
Scott and I bringing this practice of being connected to
your breath and your body, looking at yourself as a
whole person rather than different parts, and building that connection

(13:46):
has been the most important healing piece for me. Being
kind and compassionate with yourself is another piece of yoga
that comes later once you start moving well again. And
I think it's set a really good foundation for you
guys to be able to tackle something like this and

(14:10):
listen to what your body's telling telling you, because there
are times when it needed to rest and maybe five
ten years ago you would have pushed through I'm looking
at Scott, well, well I'm having this conversation and ended
up hurting yourself. And so it's this practice of, as
you said, Kim, listening to your body, listening to your breathing,

(14:32):
listening to what's going on in your mind, and honoring
where you're at and finding this balance of like as
we've said, just being the old tractor and putting one
foot in front of the other and you don't need
to be first and you're not going to be last.
And just like you, guys, like you did it. So
do you want to come in a little bit about
how it supported you?

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yea couple things.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
So, yeah, there was an intentionality and a mindfulness to
the yoga practice and in the like when you talk
about pushing through it. When we did Terry and I
did a marathon together whatever twenty five years ago, my
IT bands were shot. I couldn't do a training day
longer than thirty kilometers. So on game day, which marathon's
forty two k, I had never done forty two k

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in or even approached it in training, and I just
had to gut it out. And it took me five
hours to do that marathon because I had to walk
a whole bunch this time. There was that overarching in
a chronic sense kind of paying attention to what's happening,
but in the acute sense on the training days, because
we would either have a training day from one hour
to ten hours long, there's a whole bunch of back

(15:34):
having a training partner checking back and forth like Okay,
what do we need right now?

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Or why are you so quiet? Or are you good?

Speaker 6 (15:40):
And we had those conversations thousands and thousands of times.
Took okay, we've stopped talking, not because of inning, but
it seems like we need something, and usually it was
like eat something or drink something, and you needed that
right there, which again on game day, over the.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Course of the thirty some odd hours.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Was so so critical all the way through, and it
didn't matter if it was a cent one or eight,
and we'll talk about the specifics of those in a minute,
but that mindfulness, intentionality was critical.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I want to just talk about the night before you
guys went on the hill Scott and Iron her fifties now,
so it looks a little different. When we get together
and stayed in airbnb. We all had cups of tea
and there was heating pads, there were tens machines, there
were like rollers, there were red light therapy. It was

(16:32):
just like an old people physio party. It was actually
quite funny.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Believen Scotty said this morning as we're getting he was
cleaning up after breakfast and he's like, I've never seen
so many glasses of milk because Kim and I are
drinking milk for whatever reason. So we've kind of talked
about nutrition. Maybe we can talk about that a little
bit more if you want, but I don't know if
you need to.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I the one that would.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
We actually want to talk about the thing, the thing
that we did before the day before we get here
and we went to a spa spaw. But it is
a Nordic spa, and it was an interesting thing because
it was it's just the way they're set up with hot,
cold sauna. You can't speak at it all. And I
thought that was probably the perfect thing to do before

(17:16):
you guys went on the hill. I just don't want
to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
It was the perfect thing to do before the hill.
It was probably the one thing that we didn't change
from last year that served well.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
On the mountain.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
It was just a really nice kind of foundational activity
to kind of set the tone where you can just
slow down, you can just like take your time. It
was also it felt so great on the body, but
to just be able to ground into that because right
from there, that was on Thursday morning, we went straight

(17:50):
to the hotel. Like the event starts and it is
a lot of people with a lot of great energy,
but it's a lot of external force where this was.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Just a really nice way to just get settled.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
It was a really nice way for everybody to be
together and it was lovely.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'm going to ask you how was it for you?
Because when I found out you were coming, I was like,
are you sure?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Are you sure? Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Danny's going to be okay, does he know he has
to be quiet for two hours?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
How was it for you?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, this obviously isn't about me, but we'll make it
about me later. But you know what, over the past,
from my own you know, journey of wellness and health
and stuff like that, I couldn't have done a two
hour no talking anything before it gets in, well yeah,
before it gets in, but even for sure before it
gets them any other time in my life, Like I

(18:42):
literally talked to myself all the time, like I'm I
don't do that as much anymore.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
It's definitely don't do it out loud. I do it
in my head. But I freaking loved it.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
And actually there was one point in time where a
father and son were actually kind of allowed over at
the one of things, and they're not supposed to me,
and I actually wanted to go over and punch them
both out, which you're not supposed to do in a
small how about you?

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yeah, it sat a nice tone because again you're just
being intentional, being mindful of what am I doing?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
What do I need?

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Do I need more cold or hot or whatever? Steam room,
because I'll go into the next part there that day
was also the event began, so there's like everybody's checking in,
which is cool. There's speakers, et cetera, and some were
great and some were terrible. But for the most part
I got to meet Ken right out, who's like a
fucking hero of mine. If you don't know who he is,

(19:29):
go listen to him twice on the Ritual podcast because
he's just a beast and a cool, authentic guy. So
there was kind of like that fanboy moment. But it
was a lot of energy in that space as well,
which was nice. But then we needed to get the
hell away from it, and I.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Think for me, I kind of stepped away because we
kind of walked went through the pools kind of as
a little group. For a while, I really wanted to
focus on dropping any baggage from last year, because it
was there were two sides to the coin having done
it before. There was things that you could learn from
and there were things that made it helpful. It was

(20:04):
also really hard to not find comparison and to find
compassion in the comparison because not having completed it last
year and wanting to complete it this year, I didn't
want any of that baggage wasn't really invited onto the mountain,
and so really it was at the SPA where I'd
kind of set the intention of Nope, like last year
was last year, this year will be this year. There'll

(20:26):
be no space for the new if you can't drop
the old. And that I was successful in that, which
was really great, and you did.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
A really good job of that because initially you were
still having that like I didn't complete it. You still
had that kind of whatever baggage that you were caring.
But once we started setting foot that didn't come up
at all. And actually flipped it because as I'm doing it,
because last year I did the one ascent with you,
your last one, and I thought then I could probably
gut out four by halfway through one, I'm like, not
a fucking chance could I gut out four? In our

(20:55):
our son, Jack, not terry Sunjack from a previous marriage,
did want a cent with us, which we can cover
as all. But he was it's always nice and affirming
when he's like, oh, yeah, this is no fucking joke,
this is this is a thing.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It's funny, Kim, when you talk about that. It's thinking
about the thing that and it doesn't that what you
weren't successful. You were very successfully did seven, but at
the same time you didn't do what you wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
You did accomplish your goal.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And one of the things they always say in boxing
is you always learn more from your losses than your wins.
And I think you learned obviously because you got to
write at this year. But I think we want to
go on to the hill now. I think what i'd
call it a hill. It's not a fucking hill. It's
a fucking mountain. It's not a hill. Go into the
mountain now. And I just want to get you either
one of you can start with this the year first,

(21:39):
like I got. I was fortunate I got to kind
of watch you guys walk towards the hill. I made
a comment about Cocktail, and I was told I wasn't
allowed to talk anymore because the one picture reminded me
of cocktail. So I just got to follow behind and
I got to sit in the back, and I just
sat there and watched all of these people walk by,
and just feeling the energy and the nervous energy, and
the scared energy and the excited energy of all these
different all the people when they're going to go on

(22:01):
their first ascent. So what goes to your head on
your first ascent. I'll when you first start.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I'll back it up for just a quick second to
just before we got to the base of the mountain,
because that was six in the morning. We were up
at four in the morning, So waking up at the
condo at four in the morning, trying to eat a
little bit of breakfast before we got going, having a
little bit of coffee, and then heading to the Fairmont
and you get there and all of a sudden, there's

(22:29):
people around, and there's bibs and everybody's in the gear
and it's in this giant ballroom, and so trying to
balance the quell of nerves with the like, okay, let's
get going, getting breakfast, sitting down. We didn't choose to
sit in the ballroom because it was just too many people,
so we sat kind of outside and adjacent to it,

(22:50):
and just trying to kind of balance the let's go,
which was very much what Scott wanted to have happened,
and just take that kind of hour to get the
fuel in that you needed and then get ready to go,
and then put your head lamps on and you're out
the door and you're standing at the base of the
mountain waiting for a countdown.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, and then when we're standing in the shoot there
with and you kind of get staggered or whatever, and
we have already planned out we're going to be kind
of near the back because you're told over and over
and over again, do not start out too fast. Like
of all things, that first one almost doesn't count. It
doesn't matter how long it takes. You just take your
time because if you start out too fast, you may

(23:29):
not finish. So we kind of went to the back
third M and M's playing, which is cool. The person
who's speaking I don't actually like them, so then I
was able to kind of remove some of the emotionality
of it.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
And then it's just like.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
The thing goes and the way you go and it's
dark and you have a head lamp on, not dark
dark because it's almost dawn, and then you just literally
start putting one foot in front of the other.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
So as a support team, we would either meet you
at the top of the hill you had to take
the gondol up it was about a twenty minute ride,
or we'd meet you at the bottom after each ascent,
and so behind the scenes Danny looked like a shrpa.
He had blankets and towels and gatorade and peanut butter

(24:16):
and jelly sandwiches and would meet you guys at the
top with hot tea and all of the things. So
this is going We're drying the clothes and running to
get you know, McDonald's coffee, all the things behind the scenes,
and you guys are taking each ascent. There actually wasn't
as much time as you thought in between those ascents
to get all organized and back to the top, et cetera.

(24:36):
So you guys do your first ascent, it takes you
about three hours and fifteen minutes to get to the top,
and maybe you can just sort of talk us through
the next couple of ascents.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Well, first one and again because we're going slow because
we're kind of caught up in people, which was great,
and then we feel really really good to scent one.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
That's why I comment on that.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Actually, So I got to be at the top for
us at one, and I saw people before you got
up there. So I was sitting there and I'm watching
people and I saw people literally fucking sorry, fucking drenched,
like sweating and mouth breathing and I'm like, holy fuck,
Like and I'm watching these people and the one guy's
got he's got a shirt off and he's.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
And I'm like, holy man.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
And I watched these two fucking mopes walk up like
like they're just fucking on a stroll, and I'm like, wow,
Like they looked better than sixty to seventy percent of
the other people that were. They looked in a better
position and healthy wise, their nose breathing, they're walking up
and they're like looking really really good. And it's very
interesting to watch that because you look at that. I
don't know if it's a psychological preparedness or the physical

(25:39):
preparedness each person makes, but you guys had had an
aura on that first ascent that was so so.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I don't want to say, level of positive.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Smooth, And you telling us that made a huge difference,
Like because we don't you have no gauge or whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
It's not a competition, you're not trying. I'm certainly not
going to try to win. But when you said they
were like, okay, it felt like that, but you're not
really sure because you lose a bit of your objectivity.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
And the comments were very validating.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
I remember last year when we were hiking up and
you however long we had gotten and you're like, holy shit,
this is hard.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Same thing you said about Jack, Like, it's very helpful.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
To get that outsider perspective because you don't know what
you feel. I did kind of have a superpower on
the mountains where I was able to pace us exceedingly
well and have an awareness of like two gears, this
is going to be kind of where we're staying, and
if we need to gear down, this is where we're going.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
To go to.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
And for the most part it was really effective. And
I think it wasn't the first ascent, but after a
while it was just forward as forward and up as up.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
And the other kind of mantra was see it, do
it right, Like if you're like I need water, don't
wait and then well we'll wait to the next thing.
I'm thirsty right now, get water, or I think I
need to eat something, Eat something right now because later
on it's really really rough to eat something. So we
do a cent one, feel great, go to a cent two.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Before you go to sent to I want you to
talk about before you go to scent too. I want
you to talk about branding them.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Oh, Yeah, such a cool ritual in this event. If
two nine nine is at the you go to the top,
go through the shoot, get.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
On the gondola, and you ride back down.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
And there's what's called an ascent board, so that every
person has eight tiles, and there's a little brand that
you push up against the tile as you complete them
and has a two nine nine triangles symbol, so you
get to kind of have a ceremony at the end
of each one, which I found the best thing ever,
Like it just was great for my brain. The MC

(27:43):
is calling the voice of the mountain. She does such
a great job of kind of em seeing the whole thing,
so she chats with everybody who walks up, and yeah,
that made a big difference in kind of completing things
because you knew you did something. Sent two we killed it,
like that was our fastest. Again, not trying to push.
We're just slow, steady, one foot in front of the other.
And got to the top and we're still and you

(28:05):
said the same thing. I think again, like, oh, you
guys don't look like you're even trying that hard, and
we really weren't. And now we're I don't know, seven
almost seven hours into it.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And then we start getting into three and four and
the weather starts to shift, the mindset starts to shift.
Things are getting things are getting real. Yeah, so walk
us through the next few hours.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
So the first one, you're everybody's clumped together. Yes, they
try and stagger the start, but there's people right in
front of you, people right behind you.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
A cent. Two, you're stretching out a little more. Ascent.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Three you've stretched out even more. Acent one was our
only dry ascent in all of this. So then the
rain is and eight.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh we book ended it. Anyways, Three and four were
not dry. The middle was not.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
And I wasn't surprised that it happened, because I think
that it really helped with the experience of it all.
But as much as we kind of figured out in
training that we have the ability to pull each other
up and talk through things, we experienced what it was
like to pull each other down kind of unintentionally into

(29:24):
this like deep dark place where everything just sucked. And
it wasn't necessarily that for sure wasn't the worst my
body felt.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
That was for sure the worst. My mind felt.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Everything felt miserable, not to the point that I wanted
to quit or that I was wishing it away, but it.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Just all sucked.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
The mountain is also very strange from a time perspective.
You have no sense of time directionally, you don't really
know where you are on it. But by the time
we came out of it and then did number four
and were able to kind of say, you know, it
was more Scott that could do this.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
This is where this kind of started. This is where
we kind of pulled ourselves out of it. It was
a good hour two thirds so.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
We sent three starts out just fine, and there's no
what's interesting, there's no precipitating event, like it's already been raining,
so we already wet that nothing's changed there, there's no
temperature drop all that, no one has fallen, that kind
of stuff. But a dark cloud descended over both of us,
and you're right, that was actually.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
The only time.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
We're both stuck down at the bottom of the barrel
and we're trying to talk it out and it's not working.
And now all of a sudden, sections that seem to
go by in X minutes are taking five times as long.
Perception Wise, it's not taking that long because by the
time we're done, it's almost the same, but the shift
in perception at that middle part of the.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Third was just atrocious.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
And it so started out okay, super dark and stormy,
and again not even a hint of like I don't
want to do this where I'm gonna quit.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
That was never a consideration.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
And then we just again no precipitating event to come
out of that to end the third and starting the fourth.
And it was great because Jack was with us for
the force, So then you kind of get like, okay,
we've got a different energy here. He's going to get
to see it for the first time. You can point
you're almost doing a tour. And then I did the
marketing of like, okay, here's where we felt like shit,
I want to run, will feel good, and then we
walked through and it was near the end we're like,

(31:16):
holy fuck, that was a long time.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I kind of screwed up though on three because I
did bad math because I did bad because we don't
there's no way to communicate with each other. Yeah, so
what happens is you do the math and Terry does
the math with a gondola. I do the math without
the gondola. But in my brain, I'm like, I gotta
be up there this time. For whatever reason, I cut
about an hour back. I don't know what happened. And
I'm on the gondola and I'm I'm because you're I'm

(31:40):
not playing on my phone on the gondola. I'm being
really mindful because I'm on the mountain. It's really cool.
I get to watch and I see these two and
I'm like, it's Got and Cam and they're waving and
I think they're.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Like, holy fuck, we're way behind.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
And neither of them their fitbits died, so they don't
even have an idea of concept of time. Their phones
are stuck in their backpacks in waterproof containers, so they
have no idea what time it was other than they
saw me flying overhead and I'm like, oh, they will
be up here in twenty five minutes. And I bought
some tea and it got cold, and I bought some
more tea and I and so I didn't I know,

(32:10):
it wasn't my fault, but I contributed to your just
regulation on that time frame.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Yeah, because it just was like, oh my god, this
is real. We actually are struggling mightily because we're at
least an hour behind, Like these are taking us about
three hours and change. Now it looks like we must
be at five or six hours, and it's awful, and.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
It was a blessing in disguise not to have fitbits,
not to have any extra They when you start at
the bottom, so this is not a timed event.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
They're very authentic to that.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
So they have like the time on the clock at
the bottom and the time that's on the clock at
the top, and that's it. We marked the ascents more
by Okay, we're going to get two done and then
we're going to eat breakfast. We're going to get another
two done and have lunch. Jack's gonna come for three
one for the night, then sleep. So more by the
things that were going to happen, but that was really
the only barometer.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Our initial plan, which we were pretty much talked to
was two done, then breakfast, two done, then lunch. Initially
two done, then bed. We thought we'd get six done,
and that wasn't realistic because of the just the conditions,
energy all that.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
So you have a little bit of support from Jack.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
On number four.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's starting to get dark and you guys make the
decision that you're gonna get in one more before you
have a little bit of a nap, so you do
five before you're gonna have a little bit of a sleep.
So you guys, I want you guys just to back
up a little bit and talk about that part of
the ascent and talk to us a little bit about

(33:47):
how you were fueling yourselves.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
So we get before we get to the fueling.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
I had a lot of anxiety, I guess that's the
right word about the math, because when she did it
last year, I was like a profit and about a
cent too. She's like, where I'm at for time, I'm like,
you're gonna need to make up thirty minutes somewhere along
the way here. And that was very early. That was
six hours into the thirty six event. And by the
time she was done, she was short. She could have

(34:15):
done an eighth, she had the energy to do eight.
She would have made it across in thirty six hours.
She would have been thirty minutes short. So I had
that math brain going the whole time, and it was
I had to going, and it accelerated through two, three, four,
And then when we had already talked it out that
we're probably if we can't do six, we need to
have a plan beat that doesn't mean the whole thing's

(34:36):
gone to shit. So if we can't complete six before bed,
then let's do five. But then we'll start earlier. And
then I had a big anxiety about hiking at night.
We're a good reason. It is like torrential downpour at
this point, like the trails. There's rivers of water running
down the trail. Now let alone the rivers that are

(34:56):
actually creeks that are running through it, and headlamp on
and you're essentially alone and it's pouring and the only
thing you can see is wherever your headlamp goes, so
you put your head down.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
There is the advantages.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
There's no looking up to see where the trail is,
because sometimes that the mind fucker.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
You're like, oh my god, that's so high.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
To the next thing this is, I can only see
in front of me, one foot in front of the other.
And we said before this is at a bonkers event,
even if you did it during the day. The fact
that they even have enough liability insurance to do this
at night, or the waiver that you sign must be
bulletproof because the rocks and things you're climbing on it
is not like a paved trail it is a hike

(35:36):
on rocks and mud and all that kind of stuff.
But we shockingly managed to complete the fifth one in
like three fifteen. I think it was three fifteen. So
it was a like we're so happy with ourselves and
then so cold Like that was will though gone all
awry before I got to tell that story, because it's
funny and we're freezing to death and there's Danny's there,

(36:00):
Jack is in there, me and Kim, and Kim has
to get changed, so Danny has to hold a blanket
up so she can get her sports roup. And then
after that, I'm like, I need to get these wet clothes,
so then you have to put a blanket over.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
You're gonna put shorts on without changing the under.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Round, that's right, yeah, stupid, You're like, what am I doing?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I'm like, so I then covered Kim like a mummy,
and she got to drink your soup, and you were
naked drying yourself in the gondolot.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
It was it wasn't It was unexpected, very unexpected. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
So I'm yeah, junk out drying myself in a gondola,
and like Jack put it up properly because it feels
like you're in a submarine. You can't see anything because
there's nothing that rain and missed all around you. And
then yeah, putting on dry clothes and dry under or
actually just went commando because of the shout out to
lou Lemon shorts were so great with the liner.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
And then you didn't have a shirt, so I literally
gave you the shirt off my back.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
Yeah, I didn't have a long sleeve because I had
got wet, so I took Danny's long sleeve and then
uh yeah, and then start out dry. And again that
was the best decision ever.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
So in summary, three to four people in the gondola
were naked at some point.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Ish.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Going back to the strategy, though, we kind of I'm
sure there were more than two commitments we made, but two,
and one of them came directly from coaching, was that
you never make a decision sitting down, and that for
us to make the decision to talk about only doing
five and changing our plan, that happened well before five,

(37:25):
if I had to guess, it happened on three, but
I don't really know that.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Maybe two.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Okay, it happened really early, and the first time we
heard it was actually on Thursday, when we went to
one of the coaching breakout sessions and they were talking
about strategy and they said, if you can get five
done on day one, you're great.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Then you've got three the.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Next day like that, that is a great pace.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So whatever or whatever.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
It was stuck with the original plan until we got
to that point, but it didn't feel like a compromise.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
It was well talked out and so that's kind of
how we got to that.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
And in that breakout session that coach also said if
you can do six, great, but six is a huge push.
So I'm like, okay, well that's interesting. And then just
as we were about to start our fifth ascent, we
ran into coach Derek I think his name is, and
it was just such a great conversation because he's, Okay,
what's your plan. We're gonna go do five and then
go to bed and get up at three. He's like,

(38:22):
you don't need to you're good. I'll just go do
your thing. You could just get back on the mountain
by did you say six or five?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Five?

Speaker 6 (38:33):
So, just because I'm a little jangly about it, we
went to sleep at about one point fifteen, and again
they also said do not count this as sleep. Pretend
you're having a nap, because a three hour nap is great.
A three hour night's sleep it's terrible. So pretend you're
having a nap. So we slept for two hours and
forty five minutes, got up at four. The only time
we actually looked at each other and thought, this is

(38:54):
fucking stupid. But this is gonna sound corny. As I'm
brushing my teeth, I'm looking it's not bad. I looked
at myself and I'm like, a fucking goal. We're going
to get a fucking red hat today.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And you got the red hat. You got the red hat.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
So do you want to talk a little bit about
what it was like to hike at night?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I think this is the one for me.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
It was really it was really helpful having the comparison
to last year.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I love tonight hiking.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Last year it wasn't it wasn't raining, which I think
was a big deal. It's probably the one part that
I think was probably the most insane, that the fact
that I.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Did it by myself. It was just it.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
There's almost your balancing a meditative experience with the logistics
of if you fallow, something very bad is going to
happen because I don't have a sense of time. But
there was a lot where there was like you didn't
see another headlamp, there was nobody around you. From a
liability perspective, they were more aware this year than I

(40:09):
noticed last year of recording BIB numbers, so they knew
exactly who was on the mountain and who was off
the mountain.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
What a sense you were on.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
They have four aid stations on the mountains on your
way up, and so you can kind of at the
night you could see the lights more than you could
hear the sounds. You kind of you had that to
help pull you up, but you had no idea where
you were. The fact that it was raining and it
was misty and you could only see one foot in

(40:39):
front of your one foot in front of the other,
That's what it was like. That is also where fueling
got a little difficult, because your body already whatever hour
we're into on that is already.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Thinking what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
And then you've got to be so intentional on you
have to force yourself to eat, you have to force
yourself to drink and outlet up.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Once the anxiety of okay, we're just doing this and
that coaching conversation, like totally let me exhaleable. That's probably
when I let go of the math. Actually, that was
the first time that I let go of the math.
The start of five. Okay, we're good, we're gonna get
up at four, we're gonna be back hiking by four
to thirty.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
We're fine with that.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
But then actually being present during that because there's sections
where you can turn your brain off and you're kind
of walking on a trail that's relatively flat. It's steep,
but you're not gonna fall. And there's other ones that
are so technical because you kind of have to put
your look for a little landing spots using your poles
to lift you. The stairs are soaking wet and super slippery,
so you have to be very very present or you're
gonna slip and could be catastrophic. Yeah, there's a rock

(41:40):
that's kind of like out of whatever degree angle and
there's a chain drilled into the side of the mountain
and you have to use that chain to pull yourself
up because the poles will just slip off the rock
and in the pouring rain in the ad of the night,
after whatever, fifteen hours of climbing is banana, so you
just kind of take it one step at a time.
By now your brain kind of knows the sections. There's
about five different steps actions, and I can never remember

(42:02):
what comes up next, Like I still even if I
did it in my ninth time, I wouldn't remember that.
But I was Once we kind of got rolling, it
was all good. And then I was as cold as
I've been because I know you had seen me after four.
By the time five was done, I was like shivering,
my teeth were chattering. I had a cramp in my
neck because I was so tightened up that I had

(42:22):
to like pin my ear to my shoulder and get
the hell into the room and then have the best
hottish shower I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So we knew we had more time to do the math.
Even though we were all bad at math. We were
doing the math. But we knew that if you were
back on the hill by five am, you had this
thing that was going to happen because you were your
pace was good, and you guys had a little sleep
and you were looking good by the time the sun
started to come up.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
So you're getting.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
The math from your support team. You're getting these conversations
with the coaches. You've got other participants on the hill
that you're having a chance to meet and learn, So
tell us a little bit about the community and the
coaches going into Saturday.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
It was really nice Saturday morning when we were starting
out that for the vast majority, there was somebody we
encountered on our night hike that already he was on
his eighth and that was the only kind of massive outlier. Again,
it was those little nuggets of affirmation and validation that
externally were very helpful. So we're starting Saturday morning and

(43:37):
everybody is kind of on their sixth everybody that you encounter,
so you're walking alongside people. There was great trail etiquette,
so if somebody was coming up behind you, you would
kind of find a spot to pull over, or you'd
ask if they wanted to pass, and then inevitably the
where you're from has just kind of all gone to
the side and it's well, what number.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Are you on?

Speaker 5 (43:57):
And everybody was kind of on pace with us. I
think at that point the biggest difference was just how
many hours of sleep did they get the night before,
but also strategy wise, that was the biggest difference for me.
Is that instead of going all through the night like
I did last year, listening to the coaches and the
plan of this is two days, you're going to break
it up and you're going to start fresh.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Yeah, Like the coaches are so well placed. It's like
they were appeared just when you needed them. And I
didn't really take part again in any pre coaching stuff
other than the notes at Kim said, but it just
seemed like that conversation with Derek, and then we walked
with Coach Mark for a little while and at the
last assent we had Coach Don like there was just
that kind of like they didn't We would just say, hey,
this is what our plan is, and they're like, absolutely perfect,

(44:41):
that's exactly what you need to do, and we can
get to the last assent. But one of the conversations
we had with Coach Don, we said, yeah, we've been
averaging at like three hours and fifteen minutes probably about Amazon.
She's like, that is literally the perfect pace. Like you
can't do it any better than that. She goes, there
is a lot of people who did their first few
and two hours, which would have been the people Danny
saw sweating and huffing. She's like, they're not out here

(45:02):
for the last ascent. They didn't make it. So it
is such a crucial thing to just one foot in front,
don't worry about the time, and the fitbit dying was
an absolute godsend.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
It was meant to be.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Community because it was one of those weirds. I get
to start, Yeah, I want to chat with people, and
then part way through I don't want to talk to anybody,
and nobody wants to talk to each other. You're just like,
everybody's polite and all that the etiquette. But it was
very much like what I sent you on six Okay, cool,
we're all on the same boat here. And that was
the ascent board too. You look and you'd see all
the brands and you're like, oh no, we're right in
the middle of the mix here.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
We're still all good.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It says I watched the psychological shift and you talked
about it already about no more doing math at the
six event once you hit the sixth ascent, And I
remember were sitting on the gondola coming down after your
first ascent in the morning of the second day, and
you're like, and we and I made the joke because
I have to talk about Rocky on every podcast we do.
But I made the joke it's the one step at
the time, one punched the time, went round at the time,

(45:54):
And that's exactly what you got. You moved from we
got to do this, this and this one step that's
one punch at a time, one round at a time.
And you also between the two of you had a
conversation about positivity. Uh and and and you shifted your
mindset like it was you actually got to watch. It's
actually interesting watching you went from this is no nothing
like coming up to the hill, This is no nothing

(46:15):
coming up to him.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
This is a fucking lot, this is hard, this is great.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
It was really interesting to watch your kind of like
if you had a if you had a graph of emotion.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
A cage of emotion.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
We had a graph of emotion, it would have been
really interesting to see because you like and you you
could see it the moment you came up, your sense
like you could literally ooh or fuck wow, And it
was really and yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
It was really cool to see.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
I think if you plotted everything, it would just all
be a little wild. Somebody along the way, in some
coaching concept or maybe in a speech had said like,
this is not linear. There was nothing linear about this
if you look at them. That was felt like I
had kind of wondered at some point, like, oh am

(47:05):
I going.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
To be emotional and crying on the mountain.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
The suffering and the work and the grind just suffocated
a lot of the emotion and sentimentality. And Scott earlier
on was very focused on like, we're doing the work,
where I was more focused on looking at the trees,
sometimes to my detriment. But it just it all balanced out,
so the emotion went up and down.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Time made no sense.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
It didn't make sense even within an ascent when you think,
oh my god, this took us five hours. The fact
that we consistently averaged the same on a sense makes
no sense in my logical brain. Because there were some
a sense where I was like, no, we fucked this up.
It's been seven hours and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Being on the other side of it. It was like
reminiscent of like having a newborn and having to like
sleep for a couple of hours and then go and
feed you and water you, and like change your clothes
for you and help you with your zippers, and like
there were times where you guys were incoherent. You couldn't
form words, you were slurring, Like you start to get

(48:12):
a little bit worried about your cognition. But yeah, it
was like looking after a newborn.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Well that's honestly, And I have catastrophic thinking anyway, Like
that's oh yeah, like I have, Like I'm a catastrophic thinker.
So I'll think, like I haven't heard it from my
wife for three hours, Oh my god, someone's broken the
house and killed her, Like I have, it's none of
the shit that goes on in my head makes sense.
So when I watched these two leave for that night

(48:39):
hike without being able to make any fucking sense, Like
even Kim, I said to her, good luck or whatever,
have a good thing. She's like, see you in the hotel.
I'm like, we'll see me the fucking hotel. You see
me in the And.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Scott he's like, just let's go.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
And I'm like, how the fuck are these two idiots
who can't comprehend a fucking sentence not gonna fall off
a mountain and die tonight? And then it was funny
because I had set my alarm because all of the
confusion was like.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
What time are you gonna call me.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You gotta go in there, and you gotta set.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
A wake up call.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I'm like, for what time. I don't know what time
you guys gonna be there. We'll set a wake up
call for what time, Kim, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Scott, He's like, just don't worry about final.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
And I'm like, okay, just fucking text me. So I
have I have alarm set for four thirty. I'm like,
I will wake them up at four thirty. I get
a text message from Scotty about twelve fifty nine. And
here's another thing about context of emails. I said, great job, Well,
you guys are awesome, and he said we did it
in three point fifteen and with an exclamation mark, and
I'm like, you fucking idiot, you did a great job,
and he did that's what he was saying. I thought

(49:35):
he was mad at himself, but I totally misread that.
And then at four thirteen in the morning, I get
a text message that never happened that says to me
from Scotty, yet we're good. We're getting ready to go
or be on the mountain right away. And so I
get up, I wake up, I don't wake up. I
shut my four thirty alarm off. I set my alarm earlier.
I go wake up Terry because Terry has to dry
make as a count drive the vehicle, get.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
To the mountain, do all this stuff?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Get up there, and I'm looking for this for thirteen
text message that never happened. I never got a text
message from a four to thirteen that said he was
going to be there. He telepathically fucking told me that.
And that's literally what happened. I never got I'm literally
going through my text messages where and I told you, right,
I got a text message at four thirteen, and I'm like,
I got so, I got a text message four thirteen.
They're getting on the mountain earlier than five. I got

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to get up there, and I'm sitting on the mountain.
I bought their coffees down at the base, which is
hilarious because most people are like, where'd you get those coffees?
I'm like, at the base, they're like, well, we thought
the Rendez would be open, Well it's not. It wasn't
open years And I'm not sure what I thought i'd
be aple today. But I get up there and I'm like,
I literally got a psychological text message from Scotty to
turn my alarm off and change our alarm to.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Go up to find, which was super super crazy.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
So six starts again. It's still night, so it's uh,
we got up at four. We're on the mountain by
four thirty eight, and it's weird how these times stick
in my brain.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Some do, some don't.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
And again it's pouring rain as raining as it's been,
so's there's no reprieve, and six actually felt pretty good,
like we knew here's a couple of things. One we
knew that it would be light and we could turn
off these fucking headlamps and we'd be able to see.
And then we're still like maybe when the rain stops
and you start to really glob onto like you always
hear this. I think it's like Buddhism or something like that.

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Instead of taking note when you feel shitty or sore,
take note of when you feel good. And we were
very intentionable with that the whole time, like, Okay, it's
not raining, or even it's raining less, or at least
it's not windy, or at least it's not snowy. And
you have that constant talk at self talk as well
as talk talk to maintain positivity, get through six. What
did six take us three and a half hours, so

(51:32):
a little bit a little slower, but again you're operating
on two hours of sleep, full of lock to acid,
et cetera.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
And we were going to get six done and then
there was breakfast. So having the thing that would kind
of be the reward at the end of.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It was also really helpful.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Yeah, because that was a disadvantage. We also again back
to fueling. We both felt that's why the fifteen minutes
because we felt okay, but from a fueling we knew
we were behind in de hydrating and calories because you
just slept for three as you didn't take.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Anything in, so you're now already behind.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
We started too early that we couldn't hit the actual
breakfast in the hotel or whatever. So now we're having
to be really intentional with making sure we're taking as
many calories. And a weird thing that you said last
year which made no sense to me, is you can
no longer swallow. I'm sitting there chewing on fucking crackers
and peanut butter, and I had this glob. I almost
sent him and challenge myself, which I don't know if

(52:23):
you've seen this cinemon challenge. You eat think of some
them and you almost choked to death. It's stupid.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
And I almost choked to death.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Yeah, I almost choked to death on a cracker because
I can't swallow anymore. Your body is doing some weird
thing where And I did my best to eat real
food all the way through, because like, I'm going to
start gagging if I think about gels or chews or
all that shit. So I would grab apple slices or
take a hydration thing and just keeping a like mini
calories in as steadily as I could, because I knew

(52:52):
that I was an in detriment, like I think every
we've been talking about here. I think I probably lost
five to seven pounds over the course of the event.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So it's actually interesting because you made a comment about,
you know, just the different mindsets, and I looked at
you guys on going I was setting you off on
a cent five, which was the your night one, and
then being there in the morning for a cent six
and seeing two totally different people like a cent five,

(53:21):
I was concerned that you were mentally regular.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Sent a cent six.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
You you guys came up and you had you were
almost as level as you were on a scent one
when you came up like you had this total and
then your you're and like again your mindset shifted, and
then you know, you go down and you're you're burning
your your thing and and I think a cent six
we didn't even stop, right, We didn't even stop at all.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
But we didn't stop anymore. We didn't like once for lunch.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Yeah, every other time and the other so we stopped.
They said, one of the coaches had said for lunchtime
and dinner, going and sit for ten minutes, sit down,
eat the food, and then your body then go down
the gondola for twenty minutes and you're gonna get that
calories will start to take hold. So we actually had
the best nan bread's actually all the things I remember
from the food Nan and hummus was the best thing

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I ate. And then we made a kind of a
decision we're not sitting. And we also because she sat
a lot last year, which I think contributed to the
not getting the hat. This time, we had said there's
no sitting unless we both consent to it. So no
non contential sitting is how we termed it. Because you
don't want to make a decision sitting, and then I knew,
as sore as my legs were near the end, I

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will be fucked to try to get up again, Like
you dropped your poles a couple of times and then
squat it down to get them and you're like, oh
my god, And I thought, if I do that, I'm
never getting up again. So there was no sitting other
than the gondola, which is the best twenty two minutes
of the ride, and you all wish it would even
take longer, but we just need to keep moving.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
And that didn't mean that we compromised fueling. There was
an aid station at the top, and so instant ramen
was the best frickin' thing that I think that I had. Yeah,
and then chicken broth, and then they did instant oatmeal
in the morning. So just having something warm it was
so great. Talk about the support team later. But to
get into the gondola, they Mountain provided blankets, so you

(55:16):
would kind of get wrapped up if you'd sit for
a minute and then have something warm, and then figure
out logistics and clothing and just really utilize that twenty minutes.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
So then we start a cent seven and it wasn't
a struggle like three was. But it was a struggle,
and I didn't know it until we started eight. Why
is because you're starting to go again, being very positive, like, Okay,
this will be we only we'll see that waterfall three
more times, or see this weird castle in the woods
three more times. Seven almost like it doubled where it stacked, like, okay,

(55:51):
we only do this two more times. Fuck, we have
to do this two more time. So it felt like
you were doing two ascents all at the same time.
And again back to the time warp. It seemed to
take forever, and we're kind of huffing and puffing and
mouth breathing and struggling and trying to keep up with
the calories, but we know we're behind in the calories.
Seven was a rough one, not as low as three,
but more steadily rough, and the.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Rough parts it see saw it a little bit more.
It wasn't the same where we both took each other down.
It was the kate. So this section, you're going to
be quieter. This section, I'm going to be quieter. But
we both kind of bobbed back up.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Yeah, and then you mentioned it already, your ability to
set a pace because I think I walked in front,
I don't know, for ten minutes out of thirty five hours.
She could set the perfect pace, and we had the
two gears of like just really slower than you think,
and then slow and steady, and other than I don't
know five times total where I would walk too fast
next to you or you would start out too fast.

(56:48):
We kept that pace up the whole time.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
No, yeah, lost a sentence. So it was so.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
It was very Actually, one of the coolest things was
watching you burn the seventh It was almost as cool
as watching you burn the final ascent because it's that
penultimate round right, like you're and you're and you're you're
there and you see that red line and you've got
time like even if you if things went badly, you
still had time, like you had you had given yourself

(57:16):
a cushion, so there was no.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Way you weren't getting that red hat.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
And then sending you off on that eight ascent, watching
you both of you go up there, it was it
was really cool to see in red pennies and again
you guys, and there's like they do a really good
job of ceremony in this place, so when they what
happens is as they're coming down, came down for there
they finished their seventh ascent. They have a red penny

(57:42):
underneath their name on the board, and so they get
their check off of they check the back off of
what mountains you've climbed on the pennies, and then you
put your red penny over your white penny, and then
you burn your thing and then you go walk off
and there's pictures being taken and there was a little
bit like joyousness, and then there you guys are off
for your eight and final cent.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
How'd that feel?

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Initially felt really really good, although we were also doing
the we need to stay positive. We walked up with
one guy who had his red pinny on and he's like, yeah,
I was doing this with my wife.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
She wasn't able to make it, so I'm going.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
Up, but that fuck you could still like break an
ankle or fall down, and I'm like, dude, I don't
want to hear about any of this shit. But that's
where there was a kind of a cool community because
everyone who has a red penny, you know you're on
your last ascent. So then the rain has finally stopped,
So eight is the first dry one since one, and
the locals now who are hiking though they do every day,

(58:40):
started coming out and everybody knows what a red penny means,
and people are coming up and just like, oh, congratulations,
good for you. I can't imagine doing that. We had
two ladies who were probably in their sixties. They're like,
we just do this first part and that's enough. I
can't imagine you guys doing this as blah blah blah.
And everyone is so gracious and even all the participants
are so congratulatory, like good job, and it's all so reciprocal.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
That was the time. I think it was the biggest
community part, I think for me.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
On the eighth it started great. We had already I think.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Noticed on the seventh of like oh, like the body
is talking, like there is some full body soreness. It
wasn't really landing anywhere, but you're like, oh, no, we've
done this thing for a while.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And I we both.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Kind of battled nausea throughout it, and you kind of
just think, well, it's the last one, Like it's not
that far. You've already done seven, so what's one more?
And that landed in my head and did not serve
me well, because then I sunk pretty low a few
times because I just got so nauseous, and then I

(59:46):
started catastrophic thinking. Those were the only times where I
was like, I don't think that I can do this.
I think this is going to be it and I'm
not going to be able to do it, which made
no logical sense. But I got stuck there for a
little while, so you had some extra weight to carry
for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
That was the most physically rough you were because you
couldn't eat anything despite the fact you needed to eat something.
And the only difference was and this is not me
taking credit, I was still doing my fucking apple slices
or a sip of electrolytes or something like that every station.
By now, we're not eating the food that's in our bag,
but where maybe sipping the gatorade. But it's micros because yeah,

(01:00:23):
that nausea comes and goes throughout because your body's like,
what are you fucking doing? And then the relationship to
pain is super interesting as well. So leading up to it,
obviously you get sore doing stairs and all that kind
of stuff. But I had some phantom pains and Terry
can talk about this with her background because she's way
more articulate about it. But like my left knee would hurt,
or suddenly my calf is strained, and this is all

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leading up to it, and then throughout the journey of
the Eight Ascents, there's different things that start talking, Like
all of a sudden, my right hip feels like it's
gonna pop out, or it's grinding and there's no it's
metal on metal, Or my left knee every time I
step on a step was like it's going to pop out,
and then that goes away an hour later, and then
your ankle are sore, like it's all fake and it's

(01:01:06):
all your body telling you things, but it's a liar.
It's just like that first thirty minutes of a run,
or the first set of stairs, or the first part
of the ascent until you get to the forest is
a fucking liar because your body's like this is terrible
and we're not doing this, and then that all kind
of just fades away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
So we did not want to miss meeting you guys
at the top, so we got there extra early and
we were freezing our ass, but we didn't want to
complain about it because we know what you guys had
just done, but it was so cold at the top,
so it took you a little longer on that last
ascent than you thought it would because I think there
were some like dark and stormies going on. But they're

(01:01:46):
cheering at the top and the music's playing, and the
amazing Colleen who emcees all the events, was at the
top waiting for you, guys. Like, getting to the top
was a thing and lots of emotions wrapped up in it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
It was so awesome to be at the top.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Walk us through what it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yeah, of course I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
It's one of the things that we talked about and
this is why you got to the top. But it
was the training doesn't matter. At some point in time,
training doesn't matter. It's not about the training, and anybody
who's done doesn't. I don't care if it's an ultra
if it's like jackplay football, or if it's boxing or fighting.
There's a moment in time in any athletic experience where

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you take all the stuff in the basement, the good,
the bad, the ugly, you're positives, your negatives, and you
take that and you fucking push it and you go
this is how I'm gonna fucking get through this because
training only gets you so far, and then your fucking
psychological preparedness and all this stuff in the basement has
to come up. And I could see that you had
brought your stuff up in the basement. I could see
that you had brought your stuff up in the basement

(01:02:47):
ready to go to that eighth and final assent. So
now go back to Terry's question.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Well, just before you, so she has struggled for probably
an hour because she's so nauseous, trying to sip a
bit of gator rate and then you're chugging. I'm like, dude, stop,
put it down, get going, And then came out do
you want to sip? No, like you're gonna have sip?
I basically I mummed you yeah. And then I knew
I could sense the teller or the through teleopathy there

(01:03:13):
that you were starting to get dark and starting with
like I'm not going to do this. I'm like, no,
let's go. You have a let's get to that. And
it was back to that. I think it was this,
whichever one there was still light, one of the ascents,
get to the next light. My brain just click into that.
I didn't need that technique anywhere else, but this was
one of those ones where it was a little bit rough.
I think it was seven, Get to the next light,
because there's lights set up posts all the way, kind

(01:03:34):
of mark the trail, and that's what I started telling her, like,
get to the next post, get to the next light,
get to the next corner. We have twelve hundred meters ago,
we have one thousand meters to go, all that kind
of stuff. So just about we've managed to get to
and the last section, just before you emerge in the forest,
in my opinion, is the tide for the worst or
most difficult. From those big monster stairs at the start,

(01:03:56):
they're very technical.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
They're very slippery.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Is there, very steep, and it's like what fifteen switchback
to somebody said.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
And it's kind of the biggest mind fuck because if
you look to the top, which we both really tried
to not do, it's not that far to the goddamn top,
but you don't realize you've got these massive switchbacks, so
it takes so much longer than you think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
So then just as we're about to pop out, there's
a coach who's got a hat and he starts doing
an infomercial.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Welcome to nine oh two nine. You are fifty meters
from the edge of the force.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
If you just proceed on to four hundred meters, you
will get your red hat. Thank you so much for
coming to two nine oh two nine, And you just
start laughing just by the fact you're just completely exhausted,
but you get that boost of energy and you totally
switch around. All your shit was actually not physical. It
was completely mental because even when we got home, you
were not thirsty, hungry, gaggy, all the things.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Yeah, yes, totally. So.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Then before we cross finished, and I just want to
give a do my best not to cry. This isn't
possible without the support team like Terry, Danny and Jack
being here to do all the things. Like after four
I wasn't as rough as I looked, but as soon
as I saw Terry's face, I started bawling before I
hit the ascent board or branded my board, because this

(01:05:13):
is not possible with all that, Like I can I
fucking imagine people who have come here by themselves and
don't have somebody waiting with coffee, warm clothes, all that
kind of stuff, like it wouldn't be doable. There's not
a fucking chance. And I got to be on the
other side of that last year when Terry and I
got to support Kim. Then when you're like, Okay, what
do you need and you don't, the person doesn't know.
So I knew from experienced looking outside, I knew on

(01:05:34):
some level that I was doing the same thing. But
when you said you're slurring words, I had no concept
that I was slurring my words.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
I did have the support team last year, but there
are lots of people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
That do this that don't.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
And again, the event does a really great job of supporting,
but having.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
People, especially people.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
That aren't family, that aren't obligated to be the people
that are supporting you in so many levels and for
things that seem so little. Having somebody hand you something
that's warm, or can just give you a pat on
the back, those were the things that I mean as
much as yes, all of your work helped you up

(01:06:21):
the mountain, that really wasn't what got you up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I actually wanted to support you, Kim. I was obligated
to sports Gotti.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
No, you know what, it was actually one of the
coolest things ever to watch you guys and be in
that spot, Like, you know, I'm a person who doesn't
need as much sleep as other people, so I got
to kind of go on there. Early weren't even I
had to make Terry drive me because I didn't have
the ability to drive it, so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I had to wake Terry. Yep. But it was it
was really clarified because we didn't put your license, not
that I'm allowed to drive.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I just couldn't drive this vehicle and it took my
license away. No, And it was it was cool. It
was a really cool experience to be part of it.
And it was funny because I got like a congratulations
and I'm like, I didn't do anything like they did
the work. You don't congratulate me. You guys need the congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, huge congratulations. Congratulations to you both. It was so
fun to be a part of. So proud of you both,
and I'm so glad that Jack was here to be
a part of it as well. And I mean it's insane.
I mean, who wants to walk up a hill. That's ridiculous,
but you walked up a mountain like absolutely crazy. So

(01:07:30):
I don't know what's next on the list. I'm sure
there's something in the works, but well done.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Good.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Yesterday there was like not a fucking chance, and I
already woke up and I literally I can't even walk
to go pee.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
You like my legs are not working at all. I'm like,
oh fuck, I think I need to do something else.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
I don't know what that is, but crossing, so get
out of that meadow and I didn't. This is how
I also psychologically it's six point four kilometers, but once
you're out of the trees, it's four hundred meters.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
I'm like, that doesn't count.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
So always the mouth was six k that's all we
need to do, because it was like the shout out
to the volunt because we haven't talked about that at
each of these AID stations, and I got to do that.
Last year is staffy volunteers and they are out there
freezing their asses off. Everybody's got cowbells, and I said,
those cowbells are like a toe rope, like they just
pull you up to the next thing. And that finish line,

(01:08:15):
for sure is that because you know everybody's up there
and those people have no tent, like that finish line
is completely open. And I knew I was going to
be bawling my face off which I totally was. But
even like I think, after seven, I gave Coach Mark
a giant hug because you should see the coaches are
so fucking excited you did it. And then whoever gave
us the red hat, that guy was fucking great, hugged

(01:08:36):
a shit out of him, and I'm like, it's the
best hat I've ever got.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
For whatever reason, I had kind of wondered if I
was going to be emotional for a lot of this, Yeah,
for the whole time, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
You would nine seconds later every time you say that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I really would.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah, it was a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
It was a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I didn't realize how much I was carrying up and
needed to shed. It was the infomercial Coach where everything
just got just dropped and then you walk and then
you can't really you can't really make sense in your
head as to what you just did. But all of
a sudden, and again they're so good with ceremony. So

(01:09:19):
for the last seven times you walk up this like
shoot which still has flags and it's still an accomplishment
and they still celebrate it. But then all of a sudden,
you're being ushered onto this red carpet by like staff
and random family members and volunteers who are all fist
bumping you and you can't I couldn't really believe we

(01:09:39):
did it, Like I didn't doubt that we were going
to do it, but it seems so surreal and you
have no sense of time and you just don't really
know what's happening. Then all of a sudden, you're getting
handed this hat and then I'm just bawling.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
Very similar and then that's the only time it felt like,
all of sudden, somebody hit a fast forward button, like
when I go into my brain now it is little
flashbulbs of pictures and faces and all that, and it's
like and it's almost discombobulating, like you're not really sure.
And then yeah, you got a hat, and I know
I'm hugging this guy, and I know what I'm saying,
but I'm confused, and not because I didn't think we

(01:10:13):
were going to I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
It just was crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
So the other version r way I've been talking about
this is I actually started a blog and it was
my boss's boss who suggested it way back when with
my wellness job. So terry smart with logistics, and we
have a blog opportunity or a space on Twisted Oak
Yoga and wellness.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
So I've been blogging about this, so.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
I'm gonna I don't know if I'm gonna write more
about this on that blog, but I've been kind of
doing lead up to that, so it'd be another way
to talk about stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
I just wanted to go back to that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I don't know if you guys notice this at all,
if anyone noticed this at all, but one of the
volunteers didn't have a cow bell.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
She had she had a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Triangle definitely, So she had this triangle and it was hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Was coach Dana. She's like, nice subtle percussion.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
And I was like, every time I saw this cabo
because this tinker bell tinker this triangle and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
She's like ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Ddl ding, and she'd done it like for the entire
the entire race.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
She was up there the entire race.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I'm pretty sure her mom was in the race, and
she's like this tink And then when Dana said nice
subtle percussion, because you always hear the dank of the cowbells,
and I just thought it was anyway, nice thought that
was a super cute thing to bring up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
I think kind of as we're wrapping up. We SAT
twenty nine as an event. Again, it's very well organized,
the logistics, there's so many and they're so well managed,
and their staff are so incredible. Their social media presence
is also really great, and they put together a video
at the end of every event, and so we put

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it onto the TV this morning and watched it, and
I think that it just seemed utterly insane that that
video was the thing that we did. It feels like
it was something somebody else did because it is just this.
You see all of the water running and the night

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and it just it does a really good job of
showing what it actually was like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
But it was a really really big thing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
And then final stats or whatever the so my I
didn't have my fitbit could have died, but my phone
track about one hundred and nine thousand steps over the
course we climbed on the mountain just over twenty six hours,
so that's minusing gondola time and sleeping virtis shire three hours.
Is there any other numbers that I needed to put
on there? No, I think that's it. And then again

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calories whatever, calorie counter on an iPhone, however realistic it is.
But I've basically burnt about eleven thousand calories through out
that which again I think I lost five pounds, so
that's probably totally true.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Yeah, you look like you what do we call it?
You call it mountain cancer? Are you okay? Yeah? I
know he's really long hike.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
So as we finished, I just want to say that
these are not that, these are not the These are
just the musings of Scott, Kim, Terry and Dan. They're
not in relation to any place we worked before, work now,
work in the future. I'd like to thank Twisted Oak
Wellness and Yoga for being one of our sponsors.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
I also like to thank myself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Proximity Consulting, and I have a lot I get a
lot of messages like what does Proximity Consulting do so
for anyone listening, Proximity Consulting works on trauma and forum training.
We also do work on evidence based practices and evidence
based implementation for justice system practitioners. And we also have
strong connections to I have a person who's going to
be working with me on certain things and from the

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Indigenous community to bring in Indigenous work into justice organizations.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
So that's what Proximity Consulting does.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
So now that we're finished this amazing journey that we
went on, and I don't I wonder what Scott and
Kim are going to now do with all their time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
They're probably gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Both get like degrees because like what I don't do
with this ten hour day, which is always an interesting thing,
and I think me and Jack and I were talking
about that, what do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
What happens next?

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Right, like when you stop playing football and when you
stop fighting, like not with your wife, like professionally or amateurly,
when you stop all that training, what happens next? And
that's the thing going to be a big question for
you guys. And I'm not going to ask you that
question because you have this. It's way too early to
answer it. And you kind of touched on a.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Elevators for a while. But that's and I think that's
something that everyone has to think of. And it's not
just what happens next when you finish an event. And
this is for all our listeners out there, anybody who's
nearing the concept of retirement or changing careers, what happens next?
And sometimes make that what happens next something very very different.
Climb a mountain don't go from one job that's adjacent

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to another thinking it's a change, because it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
It is a change.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
It's a change to somewhat, but it's not a full
hole hard to change. So I think everyone needs to
climb a mountain, whether that mountain is Whistler, or that
mountain is an entirely different career, or that mountain is
jumping into a master's degree program somewhere that has nothing
to do with what you've done before. And on that
final note, I will say we are recording this differently

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because we are on the unseed territory of the Lilla
Watt and the Squamish Nation. And what unseeded territory means
is there's no treaty here. That means that we are
in a place that isn't necessarily Canada according to certain people,
and we don't necessarily have to go into all the
details of that and the issues that that brings. But
we are here around in a beautiful place where for

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time immemorial we've had individuals walking these lands. These lands
provided nourishment, they provided housing, they provided they provided medicine.
I think that's one of the things that I think
our Western world forgets, is that in these mountains and
in these trees is medicine that is far more powerful
than the shit we buy on a pharmacy shelf. And
I think that we have to think about that for

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long before we I say we, the colonizer, the white person,
whatever you want to say. And I know people get
mad at when I say settler and all that stuff,
but I don't really care. Long before the settlers came here,
there was medicine here, there was justice systems here, There
were places to eat and places to and people to
go to when you needed things. And I have to
say from my own experiences within indigenous communities is they

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are still those communities where if you need something, regardless
of the skin tone you have, these individuals will bring
you in and heal you if you need it, help
you if you need it, and provide you with what
you need. Because that's the nature of the indigenous communities.
And that's all indigenous communities that worked here and existed
here on Turtle Island for long before we came here
and did what we did to it. So with that,

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thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed this episode.
I think it'll be pretty fun. And again this is
not sponsored by two nine oh two nine by the way,
just wanted to make sure that's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
This is us talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Like two nine oh two nine isn't paying these guys
to talk about this and and sell this for them.
This is their true experience, which I think makes it
more more pure in a hole.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
So with that, love you, right,