July 29, 2025 • 31 mins
In this unplanned guest-less episode, Scott and Dan lean into candid conversation, venting frustrations, sharing personal stories, and reflecting deeply on trauma, empathy, and modern life. They kick things off with a raw discussion about the recurring issue of last-minute guest cancellations and how it feels like disrespect—especially when even a casual, unpaid podcast takes behind-the-scenes effort and planning.
The episode then pivots into heavier territory as the brothers address a tragic child murder case, triggering reflections on the ripple effects of trauma in first responder communities. Scott, drawing on his background in homicide, offers heartfelt praise for EMS and correctional officers—groups often overlooked despite their exposure to immense stress and suffering.
From there, the tone lightens as Dan recounts a hilariously humbling road rage encounter at Costco and they reflect on everyday moments that shape emotional growth. Their observations on screen addiction in kids lead to admiration for a mom panning for gold with her sons—an impromptu example of parenting done right.
They round out the conversation with personal updates: weddings, vacations, time in Niagara-on-the-Lake and Saskatchewan, gym gains, powwow experiences, and some memorable moments from the golf course—including coyotes, ducklings, and a viral video involving a former NHL player and a lake-side altercation.
The episode then pivots into heavier territory as the brothers address a tragic child murder case, triggering reflections on the ripple effects of trauma in first responder communities. Scott, drawing on his background in homicide, offers heartfelt praise for EMS and correctional officers—groups often overlooked despite their exposure to immense stress and suffering.
From there, the tone lightens as Dan recounts a hilariously humbling road rage encounter at Costco and they reflect on everyday moments that shape emotional growth. Their observations on screen addiction in kids lead to admiration for a mom panning for gold with her sons—an impromptu example of parenting done right.
They round out the conversation with personal updates: weddings, vacations, time in Niagara-on-the-Lake and Saskatchewan, gym gains, powwow experiences, and some memorable moments from the golf course—including coyotes, ducklings, and a viral video involving a former NHL player and a lake-side altercation.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to another episode of Justice on Justice and other Things.
I am Scott Jones here with my baby brother Dan
Jones as we overlook the beautiful Narcisschtchuan River.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's very nice here.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are unexpected, really guestless because here we're gonna talk
about pet Peeve right off the start here, and I'm
not gonna name who it is, doesn't matter. The who
doesn't matter. But this has happened twice to us in
the last couple of months. Yeah, where we've had people
the day of counseling, which, like you left golf a
little bit early, I left cabin a little bit early
(00:34):
to have this and it's fucking annoying and it pissed
me off, and I remain a little aggravated.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I know, I'm the same and if something comes up,
everyone has life stuff happening, but the vast majority of
things don't come up the day of or three hours
or five hours beforehand. Right It's and that's you know,
I guess that's the business of podcasting and having guests.
You can't control the guests, but it is irritating because yeah,
(01:02):
because it's irritating because you know, you have plans and again,
not like we put a lot of effort into our podcasting,
So it's not like we did hours of research and
stuff like that, but there was a little bit of that,
just trying to figure out things and looking at the
direction that this one was supposed to go in.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I don't like that, and I don't I don't, And
part of it's I also don't do that to people.
Never like if I if if somebody, if there were
something horrific, and if like a family emergency or a
loss of a loved one, I understand those ones hundred percent,
but just because you had something else or something better
came along, potentially that irritates the shit out of it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, and it's not a business, like it'd be different
if we made money at this and were like, Okay,
well the shit happens and it's a business or whatever.
This is very much a hobby that we Again we
don't prepare a lot, but we still put effort and
brain power into and and the effort that Kim puts
in as our producer, booking people and navigating all that
kind of stuff. Like there is behind the scenes effort
(02:02):
and it is kind of a giant disrespect. And I
don't know if I take it too much, like there's
a trigger response or something like that, but it's a
big disrespect because again, I would never do that, not
like I would never cancel, but have to be fairly extraordinary,
and it would also have to be more than a
just declining the meeting invite the day of and not
saying any.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Words about it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's just disrespect.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, so yeah, I would, like I said, I'd rather
never podcast again than have people on here who did that. Okay,
yeah that may sound harsh, but I don't care. It
doesn't really matter. So we kind of have a whatever,
a laundry list of stuff we're going to talk about
what we're going to call this the episode of life Updates,
I guess, And we got some other stuff where we
(02:46):
want to talk about. So let's go dark and stormy
for a moment before we get light and fluffy. And
you were talking about an incident where a child was
taken from Canada to the States and then was murdered,
and that's as yucky as we're going to be as
far as the trauma goes. But then talk about what
we were saying just before we went live here.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, so basically that's a horrible event and we're not
going to get into it, but it brought me back
to one of my own events that I worked when
I was in homicide, where I had a child that
were children that were murdered, and it kind of made
me think. Of course, I was like just feeling terrible
for this family of the loss of this child, this
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nine year old, But then I started to really think
about the EMS people that show up, and then the
police officers that show up, and then homicide detectives or investigators,
and then the people at the autopsy, and just the
ripple effect of horrific trauma that occurs to those folks
(03:50):
just made me really think about them. And I had
been reading some stuff recently about just trauma and first
responding communities and really looking at the EMS side of things,
and I honestly, if anyone here listen is EMS, I
want to give you a shout out because I think
you are the most under appreciated and underpaid first responding
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group that goes to I would suggest, significantly even more
traumatic events than a police officer does, because they we
don't go to every event they go to and everything
they go to someone has got a trauma and it's
rarely minor, and just just thinking about that and just
you know, and again it's it brought some stuff back
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for me, and not in a way that was like
hard or didn't trigger me, but it made me really
just kind of be reflective about and just really thinking
about those people that have to on a daily basis
engage in traumatic work, and that our first responder community
does this. They do it professionally, and oftentimes they do
it while they're still being you know, talked about negatively.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
In the news.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I pretty well people know me. I'm a pretty
critical person when it comes to policing. But at the
same time, that doesn't mean I'm critical of the police themselves.
I'm critical of the system, not of the people that
are out there working hard every day and having to
put themselves through this and their own minds and their
hearts in these really tough circumstances.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I would also argue that EMS is the most hard
working of the first responder populations versus just saying police
fire EMS. Of those three, I would say EMS is
the hardest working because they're the busiest and there's lulls
with fire there's lulls with policing, although not as many lately.
(05:43):
But to your point, you can go to a fairly
innocuous let's say, a troubled person, somebody drinking in a park.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Not a lot of trauma involved in that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like you said, everything that EMS goes to there's something horrible,
whether that happened at the hands of somebody like a
criminal act, or it's just someone who fell down and
now they need help.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It would be a it is no.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Doubt, a really, really tough job, and it's flat in
that in my understanding, there's not a lot of different
jobs within EMS. You go to be a person who's
in the ambulance, and I know there's varying degrees of
training with that, and then you can be a supervisor,
and there's not a lot of management, and there's no
real jobs where you can kind of get a break
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from the road. It's just you're kind of in it
for the length of your career, which I think I'm
not mistaken. Somebody can check it if they want. It's
about a six or seven year cap where people start
to flame out and find other jobs.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
In some of the stuff I was reading, it is
the lowest first responder community for retirements. Oh yeah, like
it's the lowest one. A lot of people don't make
it to retirement. And I agree with you, they are
the hardest working first responders. And the other one I
always talk about that I think is the most another
one of the most forgotten are correctional officers.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Also you're not maybe seeing the trauma, but everybody you're
around has trauma, and if there's any bit of you
that's an mpath, you're sucking in that energy all day long.
And yeah, I feel for those folks too. Oddly enough,
they just charged this week. I don't know why I'm
going here. This is just a weird thing, but they
just charged an inmate for first degree murder and the
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murder of Robert Picton from And that was the homicide
happened in the jail in March twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And it makes me wonder.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
How it took so long.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's a jail, like there's cameras everywhere, like you. Anyways,
just thought it was interesting and there's a lot of
people that weren't very sad about that homicide of that individual.
And though for those of you who don't know Robert
Picton was convicted of killing six women, charged with I
think twenty and suspected of forty six homicides in the
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Lower East Side of Vancouver, BC area.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He was a terrible, terrible person. We're gonna pivot entirely
because that's what this is about. And I think I've
talked about enough times on here that I'm not my
best version myself while I'm driving, like I'm just not
I think bad things about people. I'm not my best version,
although you have acknowledged. And as we drove to our
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podcast spot, it just happened where there's somebody in front
of me and they're slowing down to nothing and then
they're turning, they don't signal, and then they're going fifteen
komers on their speed limit like driving today. That probably
happened fifteen times on the highway. So I did not
have good thoughts. But I'm going to tell a self
deprecating story of when I was road rag and I
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don't act on my road rage, so nobody has to.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Get excited about it. But I was at cost Co and.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
There's a vehicle parked like right in the middle of
the road, blocking with a signal light on and they're
just taking up all the space and I'm sitting behind
them and I'm trying to drop Terry off because we're
taking something back whatever, and I'm kind of coming out
of my skin. And again, I don't go and pick
fight to somebody like that, but I'm upset. So I
eventually clear enough go past this person. Look and it's
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like a grandma. She's probably whatever, eighty years old.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Go park. I'm shaking my head and I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And then as I'm walking in, she comes up to
me and she comes up, she puts her hand on
my arm. She goes, I'm so sorry I was in
your way. I was just waiting for that handicapped stall
to open up and it was taking a long time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So I'm really really sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And you know when you see those movies and somebody
gets touched by like the vampire and they just turned
to dust and then they just blow.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Away, That's what my soul did.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Because I felt like such a piece of shit that
I was so angry at this grandma and then she,
with one touch of her hand just made me feel
like garbage and her I know her, well, I don't know.
I don't think her intent was to do that. I
think she was genuinely apologizing, but it was Yeah, it
was just like and then for the rest of the
time walking around Costco, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm just garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well I kinda. I am with you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I when I drive with you, you do have people
do stupid things in front of you all the time.
But I would suggest that I don't have anywhere near
the road rage you have. But I also if I
see it's like a grandma, I don't get mad at all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I didn't know it was a grandma though. It was
just a truck in front of me blocking. And then
until I drove past them and looked in the window.
But then you were still. You still shook your head
after you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So I was a grandma. You're still we were still.
You're still. If I see it's a grandma, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's okay. But it wasn't okay.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well she made it, Okay, she did make it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
She won the game.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, this is very cool.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Literally, I'm just going to talk about what these little
guys walking by us with their mom and they've got
panning for gold pants. They're gonna go to the Saskatchewan river.
They're probably I don't know, six and eight with mom,
and Mom's got a little lawn chair, and all three
of them have pans for panning for gold.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And just so everyone knows, you actually can get gold
out of the North S'sketchewan River.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're not gonna make yourself rich by any means, but
you can get goldflakes. And I think that's a very
cool thing to see because what I see far too often,
and this is you're talking about a pet feet peeve
of mine kids that age on devices constantly, which they've
actually come out with a recent research because I read
research because I'm a weirdo that says you should absolutely
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not allow your children to have any devices or any
social media tell at least thirteen years old, because it
has a huge impact on mental health and wellness. And
this mother wins the day because she's taking her kids
to pan for freaking gold.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I think that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
An excellent buff to read about. That is the Anxious Generation.
And if you can hear squeaking in the background, that's
just a boat being pulled out of the water. I
think it's Jonathan Hate who wrote The Anxious Generation. But
it is all about the research related to screens and
the gigantic negative impact of just having on kid and
people of all ages because we sit there staring at
our screens and instead of going outside like this mom,
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who again we should be giving her an award because
she's killing it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So now we're gonna just flip a little bit. We're
gonna I'm just gonna flip to just what has been
gone on the last little while, just kind of in life.
It was my youngest daughter's one year wedding anniversary on
the twentieth, so it's been a year since the wedding,
which is seems like five years and thirty minutes ago.
(12:29):
And it's interesting because our mom's birthday is on the
July eighteenth. My anniversary is on July sixteenth, well mine
and my wife's not.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just mine celebrating celebrating me.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
That's my birthday, and Emma's is on the twenty So
some things happened. So we got to We've got to
see Brady, and we get to see Brady and Emma.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I would say we.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
See Emma mar because Brady's on call, but we get
to see them and spend time with them because they
live here. The other my other daughter lives in Ontario,
So what we did was we just went out there
and spent time in Keswick. We rented a very nice house,
a VRBO house, and it was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It was five bedrooms. It was it's never been lived in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's obviously it's a it's a company called Global Stay
that does a bunch of rental through VRBO. But they
decorated it very nicely, and they could have taken the
price tags off of the vases. But if that's my
only complaint at a place, it's a pretty pretty, pretty
pretty privileged complaint beautiful place just five minutes from my daughters.
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So my daughter and son in law stayed over on
the days he didn't have to work, they stayed over.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
We ended up going and doing stuff like we took
Vanessa and Matt to Friday Harbor, which they had never
been to before. Friday Harbor is just by Barry. It's
a beautiful little kind of bedroom not even bedroom, vacation
kind of community right on a on a harbor. It's
got like cool little stores. There's actually a store that's
always Christmas, which I always liked those kind of stores.
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And then we did another road ship. The one day
when Matt was working, my son in laws, Matt was working,
we went out to a place called Port Perry, which
is actually built on I think someone told me the
largest man made lake and in Ontario.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And it's the sad thing about this.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
The man made lake in Ontario are better than was
better than most Albertas, most Alberta lakes. We're just having
that Alberta has terrible lakes. I'm sorry anyone it does.
We were and we're surrounded by beautiful lakes as BC
has beautiful lake Saskatchewan, Manitoba, but it missed us.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We got slews. So we did that.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We had.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
We had an awesome time. It was great to spend
time with our our daughter and son in law. We
also prior to that, we tera and I just stayed
one day in Niagara on the Lake, which is one
of my favorite places, and we went to the Irish
pub there which is also one of my favorite places.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And we rented this house.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And it's a cool story because this guy owned this
house for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's called Broken Pines. So if anyone's on VRBO and going.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
To Niagara on the Lake, look up Broken pines on
the VRBO site and go stay there because his house
is amazing. But what happened was he owned this house
and he had a renter in it for twelve years,
and he was charging this guy minimal rent, and all
he said to the guy was, I know, never want
to hear from you, so I'm gonna charge you minimal rent,
but you're gonna take care of the property. Well he
did hear from him once because the giant pine tree
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fell onto the house and smashed the house and the
guy who was living their car. So this guy had
to leave. So he decided to then rebuild the house.
But then he built a second story onto this house.
So this actually has two distinct suites. You can rent
an upstairs one that has no kitchen, but it's got
a pool table and it sleeps.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's gonna think it had two bedrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And then the downstairs one that also had two bedrooms
but had a full kitchen and it's got a beautiful deck.
And the owner of the house doesn't stay in the house.
He actually stays on the property.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He's got it.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He's put and what they call it a mother in
law suite or something over the top of a gradge.
So we built the gradge and put that in there,
and it's beautiful and he rents it out. He has
he had two hundred and nine seventy nine bookings this
year already, and it is. It was absolutely beautiful. And
if anyone's never been to Nagar on the Lake and
you're thinking about going, go there and stay at that place.
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I even saw a bullfrog and that was kind of
kind of cool. I've seen I haven't seen a bullfrog
in a long time. I'm not sure why I have
to bring that up. I don't know that it was
very random, but anyways, that was Yeah, that was basically
kind of what we did for our holidays.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was literally the least interesting part of your story
with the bullfrog. That wasn't like a moose, no, no, no.
So for me, we spent a lot of time in Saskatchewan,
had a lake out there. My wife's pretty much been
living there since May, and then I just come back
and forth for work. We came back today because she
had to come back for an appointment. We brought our
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dog back. He basically instantly gets made her topesitive disorder
and he was like not happy at all and giving
us a side eye for coming home because he likes
the Lake way better. And we had a visit with
people we know out there, and we've got a really unique,
interesting compliment from them because we go and we get
up early or like whatever we are up early with
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just because not because of alarms, and we move in
some way so we do whatever yoga or running or
there's a gym close by which I can talk about
here in a sec. Well, we're talking to these people
and they are both still in it, like still working
too much, very stress, very busy, busy, busy, all that,
and they're like, you guys seem really rooted. So I've
been called grounded before, but rooted was an interesting way
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to describe it, because you're like, you guys are just
so calm. I'm like, yeah, this is because we work
at this shit though this is not a It just
comes because I don't do things. It's literally the opposite
where I've had to do so much and still have
to do so much every single day to be this
kind of relaxed or regulated, I guess except when driving.
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Except for when driving obviously. Yeah, that's just always you
just put an asterix next to that every single time yeah,
but there's a Thunderchiel First Nation is close to us,
like within ten minutes away, and they had a recreation
center open up relatively recently. I think it was open
last year, but they had a gym, So now we
have a gym ten minutes from our house, which has
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been so great. So we got to go to the
gym every couple days. And then we went to the
Power this weekend because there's the annual Power at Thunderchild,
and it is I don't know, there's hundreds and hundreds
of participants who show up every year from across North
America and it's just such a great powerful event to
go to. We sat in because their stands and we
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sat right behind. There's singers and drummers and there's usually
about six or eight different groups, and when they hit
the big drum, you could feel reverberate through your chest.
Like almost brings me to tears every time that we
go to these events. But it was super super cool.
Brought our boy and his girlfriend so they can experience
it and just get to do different things there, and
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then we're gonna pivot nicely into this. But I've been
golfing a ton. My youngest is fary into golf, as
is the oldest. So we've kind of explored and been
playing different courses all over and it's my best day
ever of my life when I get to play with
both my kids golfing.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I love the sport of golf because you don't think
of anything else, and it is a constant reminder of
how do you regulate yourself like you I've had rage
days long ago. I can still feel a bubble up
sometimes when I'm playing. But I got to figure out
a way how do I not have that happen, because
it literally doesn't know good. If I start playing blackout
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and raging, then every shot after that sucks and you
don't appreciate the day and all that. So it's been
a super interesting as always endeavor playing that sport.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, that's actually funny.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I was golfing today and golfed on Saturday, and I
golfed last week as well, and I saw something totally
very cool on the golf course dy, but wasn't the bullfrog.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It was actually a coyote.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But it was a coyote unfortunately killing a baby duck,
and the ducks were going crazy and I went over
there because I think there was obviously a nest, because
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this year,
but a lot of birds have had double nesting this year,
double babies, so you see you'll see a lot of
smaller geese out there. Again, you see smaller ducks and
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and different birds, so they obviously had the babies there.
But then I chased the kyote wigh enough that he
wasn't the ducks stopped quacking at him. But then I
watched him play with this bird before he killed it,
which I didn't realize ky I kind of thought that
was more of a cat thing to do rather than
a dog thing to do. But that guy was, I guess,
and that kay was like the least afraid kyota ever
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like it. I could have probably walked up and touched it,
which I didn't, and it was in beautiful shape. It
was a very very beautiful animal. So that just gets
me thinking about golf. Golf is you're right, I find
the same thing. I'm not good at it, in fact,
I'm terrible at it, but I have the odd good
shot which keeps you coming back. But the other day
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I had the same kind of thing because in my
brain I was golfing with these people that and the
one lady that was there was she said right about
I'm brand new, like I'm new at this, and she was,
And in my brain at times I started getting frustrated
for no reason, like why she so slow? And why
is she standing at the ball for so long before
she hits it? And then she mishits it, and I'm like, dude,
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you have nowhere else to be. You're on a golf
course at four o'clock in the afternoon. It was a
beautiful day, and I'm like, why does that those things
creep in? So the slow play thing, and we were
playing a little slow, not super slow.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We didn't have to let anyone through or anything like.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That brings me to a viral video that probably a
lot of people has watched. And I think his name
is Nick Tarnisky. I think Leski turn his former NHL player.
The guy ahead of him is holding up the course.
It sounded like they were backed up about three different
groups and they didn't get through. They got through two
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holes or something in twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, so long, way too lovel.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So he goes and tells this guy and this guy
gets in an aggressive fighting kind of it starts reelling
and flexing his muscles, and Nick proceeds to pick him
up at the first and throw him in the water hole.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Which was a deadly move. But this guy kept.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Coming at him and then Nick would hit him and
every time he hit him and he'd yell bang bang,
And later we find out that was just to make
it more fun. But a lot of people online, because
online is online, and people are like, he should be charged,
and there's no, this isn't funny, this is abuse. Okay,
let's be clear, he should not be charged. He was
defending himself. That guy was the aggressor. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He did.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He used as much force as nests to quell the threat,
and eventually the threat stopped. And for anyone who watches
that and thinks that that is wrong, no it's not.
And the other thing is those people that think that
was wrong are probably people who have never been in
a fight in their life or had to deal with
anybody aggressive, or been in a room with an angry person.
And I think I did get a kick out of it.
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I have seen the stuff after, I have seen Nick
talk on talk on podcasts about it. I've seen the
guy who got thrown into the lake basically say I
was drunk and deserved what happened to me. So everybody
else who's watching this and thanks to the r CMP
need to be involved with all Canadian Mountain Police for
a non Canadian listeners, no, shut up and go about
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your business.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Totally agree.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And now our CP very quickly came out we are
not investigating in and we basically had nothing to investigate,
and because there's no complaint either like it wasn't like
he just got thumped. And I totally agree that guy
was being an idiot and Nick did what he had
to do because you're not gonna he just because he's
howky player doesn't mean he has to get punched a
bunch of times first before he can defend himself.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He did what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Don't really get drunk and then be a fucking asshole
on the golf course and you're probably not getting your
punched out. Yeah, I'm gonna pivot a little bit back
to your holidays. Did you notice an increase in people
being there with the somewhat boycott of Canadians going to
the States. Was there more tourists in that region.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's tough for me.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
There was a lot of people, Like Port Perry was
packed that day we were there, and we were there
in the middle of the week on like a Wednesday
or something like that, so it was packed. I've never
been there this time a year before. I'm usually we
usually go in the November break because when we usually go.
So this is the first time we've been there for
a summer. But it was very busy, and it was
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and there was actually quite a few New York license plates,
like lots of American license plates coming up there. And
I'm interesting to wonder if we're seeing an increase in
American tourism now and a decrease in US because there's
a massive decrease in Canadians going down to the US.
They've talked about their tourism has taken a multi billion
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dollar a year hit since all this stuff has been
going on, and it's still going on because there are
more trade tariff talk today between Carnee and Trump. And
again we're not going to get into the political aspect
or realm of this, but at the same time, one
of the things I think from a Canadian perspective is
people don't realize sometimes how beautiful this country is from
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coast to coast. We've got mountains that there's not a
mountain range that in North America as beautiful as the Rockies.
On the Canadian side, we've got again we just talked
about lakes. You've got Prince Edward Island, which we've been
to and it's beautiful. The maritime provinces are amazing. Ontario,
like the stuff that we did in Ontario, just like
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traveling around driving for forty minutes from from where my
daughter lives to places like Friday Harbor and going there
and actually was actually interesting because one of the things
that we found was they reduced the prices of the
food at the restaurant that we always go to on
Friday Harbor. It was actually cheaper. Yeah, like probably five
bucks a plate cheaper. And I don't know if they
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do that in the summer, and they increase in the
fall because they have less business in the fall, so
that if they if they do that, but I was like,
this is crazy. I've never seen prices drop at a
place before, especially in today's market, right, So it was great.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And and by.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The roads though traffic is if anyone drives in the
GTA or Greater Toronto area, you got to be paying
attention because you're you've got six lanes of traffic sometimes
and people very impatient and they're not like in Edmonton
for the most part, except for when Scott's driving. Most
people like will let you in and like there's there's courtesy.
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A lot of times at Edmonton we people wave at
you when you let them in. That does not happen,
and Toronto like you have to force your way into
into into the lanes if you want to change lanes.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I think you end up being a better driver
in those certain stans you have no choice. There is
no thirty kilometers an hour or four. You can't go
twenty kilometers onto the speed limit because you're gonna get
crashed into or cause an accent or whatever. So you
there's a higher skill level there. I think the problem
without here is you can avoid any of those fast
places and drive fifty sixty kilometers an hour or way
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too fast. But I'm more often than not seeing people
driving way too slow around here. No signal lights blocking
people like just asinine stupidity. Back to the tourism thing,
though Saskatchewan is also another place that's stunningly beautiful.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Didn't haven't.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It's actually been pretty quiet out there where we are,
but driving on the highway as much as have less
a while, I have also noticed a lot more like
I saw I think three plates today from the States,
a couple of Washington's and Michigan. So it seemed and
maybe I wasn't paying attention before, and it hasn't changed,
but it seemed like it was. There's a lot less
or a lot more American traffic up here. But we
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go golfing out there and it's like being a billionaire.
We played at a place that was about forty minutes
from us, and Sam and I were the only two people.
We didn't have anybody behind us in front of us
for all eighteen holes. We saw a couple other people
like across the way had like we were billionaires and
had the whole.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Place for yourself. It was awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And that's that's the one thing too.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
With Saskatchewan's kind of had taken a hit, probably to
their tutorism, because they actually have had significant fires in
the northern part of the province, which and again I
think of my heart goes out to people that have
to evacuate. My daughter Vanessa was in Fort McMurray for
the fires, so they went through that and then and
then even after that, then there was some threats of
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fire again and they had to have go bags ready
in their house. And how do you make sure you
get your dog and your cat and your and your
other cat, because that's they have like three animals and
you want to make sure you get those things. And
that's it's tough, but it's also the way the world
is now, Like force fire smoke was used to I
feel like it was rare as a kid, like I
don't remember. I remember the odd time and you'd smell
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it and they talk about it. I also do remember
when Mount Saint Helen's erupted and we had ash all
over cars and.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Stuff like that. That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So obviously nature does crazy things and nature's nature for
a reason. But it's uh, yeah, it's tough because that's
kind of stuff hits tourism. And we have a friend
who's actually in the tourism industry in Northern Saskatchewan would
have likely have been impacted by the fires up there.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because the Parks Canada's for all intents and purposes, shut
that National Park down in moascasou So near Prince Albert,
and so all the businesses there that rely on summer
to basically make their living have been significantly impacted where
people are not allowed to come in there, or if
they are, it's on a way more limited basis, so
they're not making their scratch as it were. So yeah,
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it's causing huge grief.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
All right, anything else you want to talk about? Oh,
I think that's like thirty minutes on the nose.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think that's good, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I want to think anything to finish up, any thoughts,
any magical thoughts. Again, I'm still in awe of this
lady panning for gold with her children. I just want
to go give her a thousand dollars. I don't I'm
probably not gonna, but I would like to just be
like you are the mother of the year. Here's actually gold,
which if I had gold, i'd give her gold. We
are sitting here in Treaty six Territory in the beautiful
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looking at the North Suskatchewan River as it flows past us,
and you see little kids playing on rocks near the
river and panning for gold and riding bicycles. I feel
like I've gone back to nineteen eighty five because not
one of these kids has picked up a cell phone
or a iPad, and I am happy about that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And yeah, we are in Treaty six territory. It's a
beautiful place. You know.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
This is the home of the Cree, the Dane, the Soto,
the Mayte. We have a heavy Inuit population in Edmonton,
and you know, I think we just need to appreciate
where we are and honor our brothers and sisters and
realize that in this country, on this land, we are
all we are all Treaty people, and we need to
honor that and honor one another, and the world will
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be a better place.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
As always, to suggests me and Danny's musings, that's nothing
to do with where we work currently in the future,
in the past, And thanks so much for listening. And
I think we have a whole bunch of guests coming
up in the next little while.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
As long as people don't councel on us, that's us,
all right. Love it, love it.
Welcome to another episode of Justice on Justice and other Things.
I am Scott Jones here with my baby brother Dan
Jones as we overlook the beautiful Narcisschtchuan River.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's very nice here.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are unexpected, really guestless because here we're gonna talk
about pet Peeve right off the start here, and I'm
not gonna name who it is, doesn't matter. The who
doesn't matter. But this has happened twice to us in
the last couple of months. Yeah, where we've had people
the day of counseling, which, like you left golf a
little bit early, I left cabin a little bit early
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to have this and it's fucking annoying and it pissed
me off, and I remain a little aggravated.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I know, I'm the same and if something comes up,
everyone has life stuff happening, but the vast majority of
things don't come up the day of or three hours
or five hours beforehand. Right It's and that's you know,
I guess that's the business of podcasting and having guests.
You can't control the guests, but it is irritating because yeah,
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because it's irritating because you know, you have plans and again,
not like we put a lot of effort into our podcasting,
So it's not like we did hours of research and
stuff like that, but there was a little bit of that,
just trying to figure out things and looking at the
direction that this one was supposed to go in.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I don't like that, and I don't I don't, And
part of it's I also don't do that to people.
Never like if I if if somebody, if there were
something horrific, and if like a family emergency or a
loss of a loved one, I understand those ones hundred percent,
but just because you had something else or something better
came along, potentially that irritates the shit out of it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, and it's not a business, like it'd be different
if we made money at this and were like, Okay,
well the shit happens and it's a business or whatever.
This is very much a hobby that we Again we
don't prepare a lot, but we still put effort and
brain power into and and the effort that Kim puts
in as our producer, booking people and navigating all that
kind of stuff. Like there is behind the scenes effort
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and it is kind of a giant disrespect. And I
don't know if I take it too much, like there's
a trigger response or something like that, but it's a
big disrespect because again, I would never do that, not
like I would never cancel, but have to be fairly extraordinary,
and it would also have to be more than a
just declining the meeting invite the day of and not
saying any.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Words about it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's just disrespect.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, so yeah, I would, like I said, I'd rather
never podcast again than have people on here who did that. Okay,
yeah that may sound harsh, but I don't care. It
doesn't really matter. So we kind of have a whatever,
a laundry list of stuff we're going to talk about
what we're going to call this the episode of life Updates,
I guess, And we got some other stuff where we
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want to talk about. So let's go dark and stormy
for a moment before we get light and fluffy. And
you were talking about an incident where a child was
taken from Canada to the States and then was murdered,
and that's as yucky as we're going to be as
far as the trauma goes. But then talk about what
we were saying just before we went live here.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, so basically that's a horrible event and we're not
going to get into it, but it brought me back
to one of my own events that I worked when
I was in homicide, where I had a child that
were children that were murdered, and it kind of made
me think. Of course, I was like just feeling terrible
for this family of the loss of this child, this
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nine year old, But then I started to really think
about the EMS people that show up, and then the
police officers that show up, and then homicide detectives or investigators,
and then the people at the autopsy, and just the
ripple effect of horrific trauma that occurs to those folks
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just made me really think about them. And I had
been reading some stuff recently about just trauma and first
responding communities and really looking at the EMS side of things,
and I honestly, if anyone here listen is EMS, I
want to give you a shout out because I think
you are the most under appreciated and underpaid first responding
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group that goes to I would suggest, significantly even more
traumatic events than a police officer does, because they we
don't go to every event they go to and everything
they go to someone has got a trauma and it's
rarely minor, and just just thinking about that and just
you know, and again it's it brought some stuff back
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for me, and not in a way that was like
hard or didn't trigger me, but it made me really
just kind of be reflective about and just really thinking
about those people that have to on a daily basis
engage in traumatic work, and that our first responder community
does this. They do it professionally, and oftentimes they do
it while they're still being you know, talked about negatively.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
In the news.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I pretty well people know me. I'm a pretty
critical person when it comes to policing. But at the
same time, that doesn't mean I'm critical of the police themselves.
I'm critical of the system, not of the people that
are out there working hard every day and having to
put themselves through this and their own minds and their
hearts in these really tough circumstances.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I would also argue that EMS is the most hard
working of the first responder populations versus just saying police
fire EMS. Of those three, I would say EMS is
the hardest working because they're the busiest and there's lulls
with fire there's lulls with policing, although not as many lately.
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But to your point, you can go to a fairly
innocuous let's say, a troubled person, somebody drinking in a park.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Not a lot of trauma involved in that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like you said, everything that EMS goes to there's something horrible,
whether that happened at the hands of somebody like a
criminal act, or it's just someone who fell down and
now they need help.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It would be a it is no.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Doubt, a really, really tough job, and it's flat in
that in my understanding, there's not a lot of different
jobs within EMS. You go to be a person who's
in the ambulance, and I know there's varying degrees of
training with that, and then you can be a supervisor,
and there's not a lot of management, and there's no
real jobs where you can kind of get a break
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from the road. It's just you're kind of in it
for the length of your career, which I think I'm
not mistaken. Somebody can check it if they want. It's
about a six or seven year cap where people start
to flame out and find other jobs.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
In some of the stuff I was reading, it is
the lowest first responder community for retirements. Oh yeah, like
it's the lowest one. A lot of people don't make
it to retirement. And I agree with you, they are
the hardest working first responders. And the other one I
always talk about that I think is the most another
one of the most forgotten are correctional officers.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Also you're not maybe seeing the trauma, but everybody you're
around has trauma, and if there's any bit of you
that's an mpath, you're sucking in that energy all day long.
And yeah, I feel for those folks too. Oddly enough,
they just charged this week. I don't know why I'm
going here. This is just a weird thing, but they
just charged an inmate for first degree murder and the
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murder of Robert Picton from And that was the homicide
happened in the jail in March twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And it makes me wonder.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
How it took so long.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's a jail, like there's cameras everywhere, like you. Anyways,
just thought it was interesting and there's a lot of
people that weren't very sad about that homicide of that individual.
And though for those of you who don't know Robert
Picton was convicted of killing six women, charged with I
think twenty and suspected of forty six homicides in the
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Lower East Side of Vancouver, BC area.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He was a terrible, terrible person. We're gonna pivot entirely
because that's what this is about. And I think I've
talked about enough times on here that I'm not my
best version myself while I'm driving, like I'm just not
I think bad things about people. I'm not my best version,
although you have acknowledged. And as we drove to our
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podcast spot, it just happened where there's somebody in front
of me and they're slowing down to nothing and then
they're turning, they don't signal, and then they're going fifteen
komers on their speed limit like driving today. That probably
happened fifteen times on the highway. So I did not
have good thoughts. But I'm going to tell a self
deprecating story of when I was road rag and I
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don't act on my road rage, so nobody has to.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Get excited about it. But I was at cost Co and.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
There's a vehicle parked like right in the middle of
the road, blocking with a signal light on and they're
just taking up all the space and I'm sitting behind
them and I'm trying to drop Terry off because we're
taking something back whatever, and I'm kind of coming out
of my skin. And again, I don't go and pick
fight to somebody like that, but I'm upset. So I
eventually clear enough go past this person. Look and it's
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like a grandma. She's probably whatever, eighty years old.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Go park. I'm shaking my head and I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And then as I'm walking in, she comes up to
me and she comes up, she puts her hand on
my arm. She goes, I'm so sorry I was in
your way. I was just waiting for that handicapped stall
to open up and it was taking a long time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So I'm really really sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And you know when you see those movies and somebody
gets touched by like the vampire and they just turned
to dust and then they just blow.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Away, That's what my soul did.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Because I felt like such a piece of shit that
I was so angry at this grandma and then she,
with one touch of her hand just made me feel
like garbage and her I know her, well, I don't know.
I don't think her intent was to do that. I
think she was genuinely apologizing, but it was Yeah, it
was just like and then for the rest of the
time walking around Costco, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm just garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well I kinda. I am with you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I when I drive with you, you do have people
do stupid things in front of you all the time.
But I would suggest that I don't have anywhere near
the road rage you have. But I also if I
see it's like a grandma, I don't get mad at all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I didn't know it was a grandma though. It was
just a truck in front of me blocking. And then
until I drove past them and looked in the window.
But then you were still. You still shook your head
after you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So I was a grandma. You're still we were still.
You're still. If I see it's a grandma, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's okay. But it wasn't okay.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well she made it, Okay, she did make it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
She won the game.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, this is very cool.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Literally, I'm just going to talk about what these little
guys walking by us with their mom and they've got
panning for gold pants. They're gonna go to the Saskatchewan river.
They're probably I don't know, six and eight with mom,
and Mom's got a little lawn chair, and all three
of them have pans for panning for gold.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And just so everyone knows, you actually can get gold
out of the North S'sketchewan River.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're not gonna make yourself rich by any means, but
you can get goldflakes. And I think that's a very
cool thing to see because what I see far too often,
and this is you're talking about a pet feet peeve
of mine kids that age on devices constantly, which they've
actually come out with a recent research because I read
research because I'm a weirdo that says you should absolutely
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not allow your children to have any devices or any
social media tell at least thirteen years old, because it
has a huge impact on mental health and wellness. And
this mother wins the day because she's taking her kids
to pan for freaking gold.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I think that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
An excellent buff to read about. That is the Anxious Generation.
And if you can hear squeaking in the background, that's
just a boat being pulled out of the water. I
think it's Jonathan Hate who wrote The Anxious Generation. But
it is all about the research related to screens and
the gigantic negative impact of just having on kid and
people of all ages because we sit there staring at
our screens and instead of going outside like this mom,
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who again we should be giving her an award because
she's killing it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So now we're gonna just flip a little bit. We're
gonna I'm just gonna flip to just what has been
gone on the last little while, just kind of in life.
It was my youngest daughter's one year wedding anniversary on
the twentieth, so it's been a year since the wedding,
which is seems like five years and thirty minutes ago.
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And it's interesting because our mom's birthday is on the
July eighteenth. My anniversary is on July sixteenth, well mine
and my wife's not.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just mine celebrating celebrating me.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
That's my birthday, and Emma's is on the twenty So
some things happened. So we got to We've got to
see Brady, and we get to see Brady and Emma.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I would say we.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
See Emma mar because Brady's on call, but we get
to see them and spend time with them because they
live here. The other my other daughter lives in Ontario,
So what we did was we just went out there
and spent time in Keswick. We rented a very nice house,
a VRBO house, and it was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It was five bedrooms. It was it's never been lived in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's obviously it's a it's a company called Global Stay
that does a bunch of rental through VRBO. But they
decorated it very nicely, and they could have taken the
price tags off of the vases. But if that's my
only complaint at a place, it's a pretty pretty, pretty
pretty privileged complaint beautiful place just five minutes from my daughters.
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So my daughter and son in law stayed over on
the days he didn't have to work, they stayed over.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
We ended up going and doing stuff like we took
Vanessa and Matt to Friday Harbor, which they had never
been to before. Friday Harbor is just by Barry. It's
a beautiful little kind of bedroom not even bedroom, vacation
kind of community right on a on a harbor. It's
got like cool little stores. There's actually a store that's
always Christmas, which I always liked those kind of stores.
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And then we did another road ship. The one day
when Matt was working, my son in laws, Matt was working,
we went out to a place called Port Perry, which
is actually built on I think someone told me the
largest man made lake and in Ontario.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And it's the sad thing about this.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
The man made lake in Ontario are better than was
better than most Albertas, most Alberta lakes. We're just having
that Alberta has terrible lakes. I'm sorry anyone it does.
We were and we're surrounded by beautiful lakes as BC
has beautiful lake Saskatchewan, Manitoba, but it missed us.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We got slews. So we did that.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We had.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
We had an awesome time. It was great to spend
time with our our daughter and son in law. We
also prior to that, we tera and I just stayed
one day in Niagara on the Lake, which is one
of my favorite places, and we went to the Irish
pub there which is also one of my favorite places.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And we rented this house.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And it's a cool story because this guy owned this
house for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's called Broken Pines. So if anyone's on VRBO and going.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
To Niagara on the Lake, look up Broken pines on
the VRBO site and go stay there because his house
is amazing. But what happened was he owned this house
and he had a renter in it for twelve years,
and he was charging this guy minimal rent, and all
he said to the guy was, I know, never want
to hear from you, so I'm gonna charge you minimal rent,
but you're gonna take care of the property. Well he
did hear from him once because the giant pine tree
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fell onto the house and smashed the house and the
guy who was living their car. So this guy had
to leave. So he decided to then rebuild the house.
But then he built a second story onto this house.
So this actually has two distinct suites. You can rent
an upstairs one that has no kitchen, but it's got
a pool table and it sleeps.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's gonna think it had two bedrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And then the downstairs one that also had two bedrooms
but had a full kitchen and it's got a beautiful deck.
And the owner of the house doesn't stay in the house.
He actually stays on the property.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He's got it.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He's put and what they call it a mother in
law suite or something over the top of a gradge.
So we built the gradge and put that in there,
and it's beautiful and he rents it out. He has
he had two hundred and nine seventy nine bookings this
year already, and it is. It was absolutely beautiful. And
if anyone's never been to Nagar on the Lake and
you're thinking about going, go there and stay at that place.
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I even saw a bullfrog and that was kind of
kind of cool. I've seen I haven't seen a bullfrog
in a long time. I'm not sure why I have
to bring that up. I don't know that it was
very random, but anyways, that was Yeah, that was basically
kind of what we did for our holidays.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was literally the least interesting part of your story
with the bullfrog. That wasn't like a moose, no, no, no.
So for me, we spent a lot of time in Saskatchewan,
had a lake out there. My wife's pretty much been
living there since May, and then I just come back
and forth for work. We came back today because she
had to come back for an appointment. We brought our
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dog back. He basically instantly gets made her topesitive disorder
and he was like not happy at all and giving
us a side eye for coming home because he likes
the Lake way better. And we had a visit with
people we know out there, and we've got a really unique,
interesting compliment from them because we go and we get
up early or like whatever we are up early with
(17:17):
just because not because of alarms, and we move in
some way so we do whatever yoga or running or
there's a gym close by which I can talk about
here in a sec. Well, we're talking to these people
and they are both still in it, like still working
too much, very stress, very busy, busy, busy, all that,
and they're like, you guys seem really rooted. So I've
been called grounded before, but rooted was an interesting way
(17:39):
to describe it, because you're like, you guys are just
so calm. I'm like, yeah, this is because we work
at this shit though this is not a It just
comes because I don't do things. It's literally the opposite
where I've had to do so much and still have
to do so much every single day to be this
kind of relaxed or regulated, I guess except when driving.
(18:00):
Except for when driving obviously. Yeah, that's just always you
just put an asterix next to that every single time yeah,
but there's a Thunderchiel First Nation is close to us,
like within ten minutes away, and they had a recreation
center open up relatively recently. I think it was open
last year, but they had a gym, So now we
have a gym ten minutes from our house, which has
(18:20):
been so great. So we got to go to the
gym every couple days. And then we went to the
Power this weekend because there's the annual Power at Thunderchild,
and it is I don't know, there's hundreds and hundreds
of participants who show up every year from across North
America and it's just such a great powerful event to
go to. We sat in because their stands and we
(18:43):
sat right behind. There's singers and drummers and there's usually
about six or eight different groups, and when they hit
the big drum, you could feel reverberate through your chest.
Like almost brings me to tears every time that we
go to these events. But it was super super cool.
Brought our boy and his girlfriend so they can experience
it and just get to do different things there, and
(19:05):
then we're gonna pivot nicely into this. But I've been
golfing a ton. My youngest is fary into golf, as
is the oldest. So we've kind of explored and been
playing different courses all over and it's my best day
ever of my life when I get to play with
both my kids golfing.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I love the sport of golf because you don't think
of anything else, and it is a constant reminder of
how do you regulate yourself like you I've had rage
days long ago. I can still feel a bubble up
sometimes when I'm playing. But I got to figure out
a way how do I not have that happen, because
it literally doesn't know good. If I start playing blackout
(19:44):
and raging, then every shot after that sucks and you
don't appreciate the day and all that. So it's been
a super interesting as always endeavor playing that sport.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, that's actually funny.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I was golfing today and golfed on Saturday, and I
golfed last week as well, and I saw something totally
very cool on the golf course dy, but wasn't the bullfrog.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It was actually a coyote.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But it was a coyote unfortunately killing a baby duck,
and the ducks were going crazy and I went over
there because I think there was obviously a nest, because
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this year,
but a lot of birds have had double nesting this year,
double babies, so you see you'll see a lot of
smaller geese out there. Again, you see smaller ducks and
(20:30):
and different birds, so they obviously had the babies there.
But then I chased the kyote wigh enough that he
wasn't the ducks stopped quacking at him. But then I
watched him play with this bird before he killed it,
which I didn't realize ky I kind of thought that
was more of a cat thing to do rather than
a dog thing to do. But that guy was, I guess,
and that kay was like the least afraid kyota ever
(20:53):
like it. I could have probably walked up and touched it,
which I didn't, and it was in beautiful shape. It
was a very very beautiful animal. So that just gets
me thinking about golf. Golf is you're right, I find
the same thing. I'm not good at it, in fact,
I'm terrible at it, but I have the odd good
shot which keeps you coming back. But the other day
(21:13):
I had the same kind of thing because in my
brain I was golfing with these people that and the
one lady that was there was she said right about
I'm brand new, like I'm new at this, and she was,
And in my brain at times I started getting frustrated
for no reason, like why she so slow? And why
is she standing at the ball for so long before
she hits it? And then she mishits it, and I'm like, dude,
(21:35):
you have nowhere else to be. You're on a golf
course at four o'clock in the afternoon. It was a
beautiful day, and I'm like, why does that those things
creep in? So the slow play thing, and we were
playing a little slow, not super slow.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We didn't have to let anyone through or anything like.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That brings me to a viral video that probably a
lot of people has watched. And I think his name
is Nick Tarnisky. I think Leski turn his former NHL player.
The guy ahead of him is holding up the course.
It sounded like they were backed up about three different
groups and they didn't get through. They got through two
(22:11):
holes or something in twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, so long, way too lovel.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So he goes and tells this guy and this guy
gets in an aggressive fighting kind of it starts reelling
and flexing his muscles, and Nick proceeds to pick him
up at the first and throw him in the water hole.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Which was a deadly move. But this guy kept.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Coming at him and then Nick would hit him and
every time he hit him and he'd yell bang bang,
And later we find out that was just to make
it more fun. But a lot of people online, because
online is online, and people are like, he should be charged,
and there's no, this isn't funny, this is abuse. Okay,
let's be clear, he should not be charged. He was
defending himself. That guy was the aggressor. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He did.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He used as much force as nests to quell the threat,
and eventually the threat stopped. And for anyone who watches
that and thinks that that is wrong, no it's not.
And the other thing is those people that think that
was wrong are probably people who have never been in
a fight in their life or had to deal with
anybody aggressive, or been in a room with an angry person.
And I think I did get a kick out of it.
(23:21):
I have seen the stuff after, I have seen Nick
talk on talk on podcasts about it. I've seen the
guy who got thrown into the lake basically say I
was drunk and deserved what happened to me. So everybody
else who's watching this and thanks to the r CMP
need to be involved with all Canadian Mountain Police for
a non Canadian listeners, no, shut up and go about
(23:44):
your business.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Totally agree.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And now our CP very quickly came out we are
not investigating in and we basically had nothing to investigate,
and because there's no complaint either like it wasn't like
he just got thumped. And I totally agree that guy
was being an idiot and Nick did what he had
to do because you're not gonna he just because he's
howky player doesn't mean he has to get punched a
bunch of times first before he can defend himself.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He did what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Don't really get drunk and then be a fucking asshole
on the golf course and you're probably not getting your
punched out. Yeah, I'm gonna pivot a little bit back
to your holidays. Did you notice an increase in people
being there with the somewhat boycott of Canadians going to
the States. Was there more tourists in that region.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's tough for me.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
There was a lot of people, Like Port Perry was
packed that day we were there, and we were there
in the middle of the week on like a Wednesday
or something like that, so it was packed. I've never
been there this time a year before. I'm usually we
usually go in the November break because when we usually go.
So this is the first time we've been there for
a summer. But it was very busy, and it was
(24:51):
and there was actually quite a few New York license plates,
like lots of American license plates coming up there. And
I'm interesting to wonder if we're seeing an increase in
American tourism now and a decrease in US because there's
a massive decrease in Canadians going down to the US.
They've talked about their tourism has taken a multi billion
(25:14):
dollar a year hit since all this stuff has been
going on, and it's still going on because there are
more trade tariff talk today between Carnee and Trump. And
again we're not going to get into the political aspect
or realm of this, but at the same time, one
of the things I think from a Canadian perspective is
people don't realize sometimes how beautiful this country is from
(25:36):
coast to coast. We've got mountains that there's not a
mountain range that in North America as beautiful as the Rockies.
On the Canadian side, we've got again we just talked
about lakes. You've got Prince Edward Island, which we've been
to and it's beautiful. The maritime provinces are amazing. Ontario,
like the stuff that we did in Ontario, just like
(25:58):
traveling around driving for forty minutes from from where my
daughter lives to places like Friday Harbor and going there
and actually was actually interesting because one of the things
that we found was they reduced the prices of the
food at the restaurant that we always go to on
Friday Harbor. It was actually cheaper. Yeah, like probably five
bucks a plate cheaper. And I don't know if they
(26:20):
do that in the summer, and they increase in the
fall because they have less business in the fall, so
that if they if they do that, but I was like,
this is crazy. I've never seen prices drop at a
place before, especially in today's market, right, So it was great.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And and by.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The roads though traffic is if anyone drives in the
GTA or Greater Toronto area, you got to be paying
attention because you're you've got six lanes of traffic sometimes
and people very impatient and they're not like in Edmonton
for the most part, except for when Scott's driving. Most
people like will let you in and like there's there's courtesy.
(26:56):
A lot of times at Edmonton we people wave at
you when you let them in. That does not happen,
and Toronto like you have to force your way into
into into the lanes if you want to change lanes.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I think you end up being a better driver
in those certain stans you have no choice. There is
no thirty kilometers an hour or four. You can't go
twenty kilometers onto the speed limit because you're gonna get
crashed into or cause an accent or whatever. So you
there's a higher skill level there. I think the problem
without here is you can avoid any of those fast
places and drive fifty sixty kilometers an hour or way
(27:26):
too fast. But I'm more often than not seeing people
driving way too slow around here. No signal lights blocking
people like just asinine stupidity. Back to the tourism thing,
though Saskatchewan is also another place that's stunningly beautiful.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Didn't haven't.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It's actually been pretty quiet out there where we are,
but driving on the highway as much as have less
a while, I have also noticed a lot more like
I saw I think three plates today from the States,
a couple of Washington's and Michigan. So it seemed and
maybe I wasn't paying attention before, and it hasn't changed,
but it seemed like it was. There's a lot less
or a lot more American traffic up here. But we
(28:03):
go golfing out there and it's like being a billionaire.
We played at a place that was about forty minutes
from us, and Sam and I were the only two people.
We didn't have anybody behind us in front of us
for all eighteen holes. We saw a couple other people
like across the way had like we were billionaires and
had the whole.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Place for yourself. It was awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And that's that's the one thing too.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
With Saskatchewan's kind of had taken a hit, probably to
their tutorism, because they actually have had significant fires in
the northern part of the province, which and again I
think of my heart goes out to people that have
to evacuate. My daughter Vanessa was in Fort McMurray for
the fires, so they went through that and then and
then even after that, then there was some threats of
(28:48):
fire again and they had to have go bags ready
in their house. And how do you make sure you
get your dog and your cat and your and your
other cat, because that's they have like three animals and
you want to make sure you get those things. And
that's it's tough, but it's also the way the world
is now, Like force fire smoke was used to I
feel like it was rare as a kid, like I
don't remember. I remember the odd time and you'd smell
(29:10):
it and they talk about it. I also do remember
when Mount Saint Helen's erupted and we had ash all
over cars and.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Stuff like that. That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So obviously nature does crazy things and nature's nature for
a reason. But it's uh, yeah, it's tough because that's
kind of stuff hits tourism. And we have a friend
who's actually in the tourism industry in Northern Saskatchewan would
have likely have been impacted by the fires up there.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because the Parks Canada's for all intents and purposes, shut
that National Park down in moascasou So near Prince Albert,
and so all the businesses there that rely on summer
to basically make their living have been significantly impacted where
people are not allowed to come in there, or if
they are, it's on a way more limited basis, so
they're not making their scratch as it were. So yeah,
(29:54):
it's causing huge grief.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
All right, anything else you want to talk about? Oh,
I think that's like thirty minutes on the nose.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think that's good, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I want to think anything to finish up, any thoughts,
any magical thoughts. Again, I'm still in awe of this
lady panning for gold with her children. I just want
to go give her a thousand dollars. I don't I'm
probably not gonna, but I would like to just be
like you are the mother of the year. Here's actually gold,
which if I had gold, i'd give her gold. We
are sitting here in Treaty six Territory in the beautiful
(30:30):
looking at the North Suskatchewan River as it flows past us,
and you see little kids playing on rocks near the
river and panning for gold and riding bicycles. I feel
like I've gone back to nineteen eighty five because not
one of these kids has picked up a cell phone
or a iPad, and I am happy about that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And yeah, we are in Treaty six territory. It's a
beautiful place. You know.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
This is the home of the Cree, the Dane, the Soto,
the Mayte. We have a heavy Inuit population in Edmonton,
and you know, I think we just need to appreciate
where we are and honor our brothers and sisters and
realize that in this country, on this land, we are
all we are all Treaty people, and we need to
honor that and honor one another, and the world will
(31:17):
be a better place.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
As always, to suggests me and Danny's musings, that's nothing
to do with where we work currently in the future,
in the past, And thanks so much for listening. And
I think we have a whole bunch of guests coming
up in the next little while.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
As long as people don't councel on us, that's us,
all right. Love it, love it.
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