ATN Extra Sauce 08-22-25 | OB beaches closed, Deets on winning Nail the Score, Sizzling weekend movies

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Breaking news right at the top of the show.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, everybody, Kate Delaney here on at n We start
with Eric Menndez, who's denied parole after decades in prison.
We've seen all the television movies, lots of TV appearances,
but after a ten hour hearing, California officials said no

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on Thursday. He spent decades behind bars for killing his parents,
Kitty and Jose Mendez.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You know the story back in nineteen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Eighty nine, this Parole Bowl parole panel specifically said he
has to wait three years before the next parole hearing.
So that means boom off the table because if you
look at state law there, they require the board to
schedule another hearing three, five, seven, ten or fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Did you know that in the future.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's what they do in California anyway, Apartment of Corrections
and Rehabilitation. So that's it for Eric Menendez. Of course,
family members saying that they were disappointed, and Menendez can
ask the full parl board to review the case for
factual errors that could result in a different outcome, but

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it's highly unlikely. Then there's this big story about alligator
alcatrass on the other side of the United States a
federal judge ordering the Trump administration in the state of
Florida to wide down operations at the controversial immigration detention

(01:39):
center that was nicknamed Alligator Alcatras. It's an eighty two
page ruling that was released late on Thursday night. US
District Judge Kathleen Williams granted a preliminary injunction that prohibits
the government from transferring any more detainees to the site
or doing any construction work, saying kill it.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's off the table.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
So within sixty days, the judge ordered the Trump administration
removed temporary fencing, industrial lighting generators, sewage waste septacles, all
of that from the site. That's where it stands right now.
So the judge agreed with the plaintiffs that Florida officials

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and the government violated the National Environmental Policy Act, risking
irreparable harm to the sensitive environment of the Everglades because
there was a coalition of groups in a Native American
tribe that sued over the site right away, arguing that
the government bypassed necessary environmental reviews before putting up the facility.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
We'll see what the.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Reaction to all of that is, and of course, the
world is watching Hurricane erin where are we now at
this point? A massive and dangerous cat to storm with
winds of one hundred and five miles an hour. It's
making its closest approach to the US. After ten days

(03:12):
of churning and burning across the Atlantic. This has been
a long tease. It's a huge cloud that extends from
the Bahamas to southern New England, a distance really of
about one thousand miles, so it's two hundred miles off shore.
But it's a really serious threat to all the coastal
communities up and down the eastern seaboard just because of

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the sheer size of the tropical storm force windfield that's
three hundred miles from its center, and then the ocean
waves that you know, reaching more than fifteen hundred miles
from the storm, stretching from Florida to Newfoundland, Canada and
where it's really bad and we're seeing the water wash
in and the concern is over North Carolina and the

(03:57):
Outer Banks. Carol Dylan, I caught her on a couple
of different shows today owns Outer Banks Motel in Braxton,
North Carolina. It's a really cute place from the nineteen
fifties right on the beach, and it's already seeing water
whip all through it.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Here's what she said, this is our livelihood.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean, we could lose those two buildings that's in
the water right now. I'm hoping that we won't. I
do a lot of praying.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
She's not alone.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
There were others that have stores and shops, like Jeff Kessner,
who sees that the business has really dropped off.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
For us to have nothing to do in mid August
as just doesn't seem right.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And of course most of that is because nobody can
get in and out. There's a whole section of twelve
that was washed away, filled up with floodwaters, and trying
to get around it has been no It's a no
go situation. People are either hunkering down or they are
off the outer banks. The President wants crime off the

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streets of DC, so earlier in the day on Thursday,
he talked about what's happening here could end up happening
in other places, saying also that he would expand law
enforcement and National Guard crackdown in DC itself and again
to other jurisdictions. He was at a US Park Police

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facility to promote what was happening.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
We're doing a sort of a test right now in DC.
It's working unbelievably much faster than we thought. We've arrested
hundreds of criminals, hardline criminals, people that will never be
any good.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think the real story here is what's going to
happen with these other jurisdictions and where will that happen
based on what he's saying and a lot of what
we've seen. I mean, most of the photo ops, of course,
are trusts and around the national monuments, but they're going
deeper into some of the areas where there's been some

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problems in the suburbs of DC and just not too
far off of some of the major areas that many
people know when they certainly when they go there. So
we were talking about at the top of this, you know,
the fact that the Florida Everglades and the impact of
this judge's order after this lawsuit was filed and now

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saying that it all has to be torn down, and
I was looking at some drone footage of it, and
the fact that nobody can come now, no detainees. That's
one thing, because you have people working there, and to
stop the construction is also an entirely different thing as well.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But these are this is.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
In the marshy wetlands of the Everglades and deep, deep,
deep in it, and we.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Would go further back. That was the whole idea.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And there's questions about who's in charge of Alligator Alcatraz
and whether it's the federal government or the State of Florida,
and Florida says it's operating the temporary detention camp under
agreements between state and local agencies and the US Immigration
and Customs Enforcement. But the day to day that happens
there and the decision about who's detained there, that's the state.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
They're in charge of that. So there's this clarity.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Issue that's been flying around, and I think that hurt
what was happening in court, along with the push to say, look,
this is the Everglades, you know, Everglades National Park in
Big Cyprus National Preserve, and these are tribal lands and
they shouldn't be disturbed.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I mean it did.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
It was kind of like a pop up detention center
and then just started to sprawl from there. From some
of the pictures and conversations that I've seen and conversations
I've had with various people. So whether this goes down
or stays up and some of it gets taken apart.

(08:12):
It's interesting because this lawsuit is only one of two
going through the federal court system. There's a second lawsuit
that focuses on legal access for people detained at Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
And so this is just the first domino.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
That could fall that will just make this reality that
it's all going to go away and go back to
what was out there. We'll see coming up on odds
and ends Hawaii with a big, big birthday and a
movie preview. Ah Yes, Happy birthday to Hawaii boy, a

(09:10):
place that I really love. Put it on your bucket list.
If you've never been there, save your pennies. It is
worth the trip to go. And if you look at
Hawaii and you look at its rich, rich history from
the early days to you know, the early settlers, to
all the various islands, just absolutely incredible. And you think

(09:35):
about this, here's a great trivia question. When did Hawaii
become a state? When did Hawaii become a state? Remember
those old days of trivial pursuit That used to be
one of the questions.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So August twenty.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
First, nineteen fifty nine is when it became the fiftieth state.
And you got to think about where Hawaii is situated
about two one thousand miles southwest of the US main land.
How about that again. I feel so fortunate to have
spent a little time there in Honolulu and in Maui

(10:13):
and also on the Big Island. But I've not been
to Kawai, and there's some other things that I have
not been able to do there. But I definitely feel very,
very fortunate. I would tell people go to Honolulu, and
I would say, I'd say, all the if you could
go to any of those islands, you can just island top.
So happy Birthday to the Great State of Hawaii. Just

(10:38):
part of odds, part of odds and ends all right,
This next one, it's interesting because Big Al and the
Big Easy listening to us on WGSO nine to ninety.
AM has asked me this a couple of times, and
I knew I was going to get to this. He
asked me, what's in my playlist? So what am I

(11:00):
What's what's in the cans? What am I listening to
in the air pods? And I'm an eclectic listener. When
it comes to my musical taste. So Lany Wilson, jelly Roll,
Gypsy Kings, Leon Bridges, who's from Fort Worth, Texas. A
shout out to my Texas people. On and on John Batiste.
I'm going to his concert in October. He has a

(11:22):
new album coming out called Big Money. He is from
the great state of Louisiana. Check out a little bit
of this song.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You might have got a plane that don't make this life.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Can be living the life, but not living the dream.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Man Pomis said, boy, don't beat it on it remody.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Chasing that big big money.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, he says. I like his music for a long time.
I want to say six years or so. He was
the band he led the band of the Stephen Colbert Show.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
But he was a musician that has had.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
All kinds of accolades and has rich family history from Louisiana.
And I love what he said here about kids in
the future and why it's so important to shine a
big light on what's happening in the world through music.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I think about my music not just for the people
who are here now, but the generations to come and
young people. A lot of times I also think about
the kids who hear the music and they hear concepts
for the first time. How do you introduce these heavy topics,
these really deep, meaningful things and always have at the

(12:45):
center of it the Golden rule and treating people with
respect and also understanding what you have within that light
within you and knowing how to let that shine and
let it shine bright.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Ah good sentiment, Let it shine bright. I cannot wait
to check them out in a couple of months, right
when the album drops. All right, coming up this weekend
if you're looking for a flick to catch. I like
the Cohen Brothers. I understand their brand of humor. And
there's a movie called Honey Don't It stars Chris Evans,

(13:19):
remember who was Captain America. Also Aubrey Plaza you might
remember her from Drunk History. And also Margaret Qually is
in this and she was in the substance. She was
the young girl in this substance. And like I said,
I like the Cohen Brothers. If you think of Fargo
and you've watched any of that, you know exactly who

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they are. So here is a little sneak of Honey
Don't actually so big.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
He's no higher service.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I address you wanted.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Thanks MG, Honey right love those quick packing heels.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Honey thought it you what the wheel of the honor?
Can you tell me about this woman?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Me and Novotnany? She got stabbed and stuffed in the car.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
I guess in the everything is getting Only when we
submitted to the will of God do we serve him?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Hector, not in the sacristy. You call me a minute, him.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
The French zo Ti.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Who's not happenings? I say, no, I've got some fans.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Food, Ernie.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
You ain't seen you at a minute being Nevotany. Are
you aware of any trouble she was in?

Speaker 7 (14:52):
Well, she owe you money. She was afraid of something.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
The cops couldn't help her.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's what I'd help.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Cops said it was an accident that was.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
For merch church in town.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
She never wore that in the house.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
The film is about this character named Honey o'donahue, a
private investigator in Bakersfield investigating a series of strange deaths
linked to a mysterious church. It premiered at the con
Film Festival, and it kicks open nationwide this weekend. One
thing that's good about this movie is pretty short. You know,

(15:29):
sometimes these movies. You go and how long is the movie?
On top of everything else, it's like an hour twenty eight.
I thought I was looking at the time wrong, Like
what an hour twenty eight? You're kidding me? But it
is and it's done okay with the critics. I don't
really pay attention so much to what the critics say,

(15:49):
but I think it could be pretty funny. If you
like the Cohen Brothers, if you understand their humor, then
you'll like this one.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
I think we need some and good.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Angel Santiago, fifty eight year old man who's legally blind,
walked seven miles every day looking for his service dog,
handing out flyers. People in his area, his little area
of Chicago, got to know him and were so sad

(16:30):
that he lost his fourteen year old dog named Docson
named Bambam, who was taken from.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
His yard on June fifth.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So there was I mean, people were blanketing other neighborhoods.
There was a go fundme account that was set up.
Even the cops were upset by this. At the sixteenth
District station, they were trying to do what they could
to try to help, you know, find the dog, find
the people who took the dog, and mysteriously, on the

(17:06):
night of August nineteenth, a couple of nights ago, a
couple came in and left the dog. So then he
was reunited with his beloved pet. And I think it's
a good story, and so much of that is because
of the hard work of the other people in the
community who heard about.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
This man and his dog.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Haveing some applause for that, so imagine, I mean, look,
you're legally blind and you need this dog and it
gets ripped from your backyard. And the reason they knew
that too, is because they were looking for ring footage
and trying to figure out if they could figure out
who the people.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Were that took them.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
But there were two they what they saw was there
were two unknown men who entered the yard through his gate.
And he even tried to intervene because he heard the
commotion and grabbed one of the suspects, but of course
they slammed him down. He was unable to stop them,
and so that really gripped people. And so the stolen

(18:13):
service dog being reunited with his owner after missing two
and a half months very unlikely, right, And this was
an area called Logan Square, So I think it's uplifting.
I think the part of it that's so great is
that people just came together and helped them. You know,

(18:34):
people get in their silos and you don't know the
person five ten, fifteen houses away or around the block.
But people found out and got involved. Even kids at
schools got involved. They wanted to help. And yeah, so
luckily he gets the he gets the dog back. And

(18:55):
you think of the age of the dog too, because
you would think after two and a half months, yeah,
that's not gonna happen. Now, you're not gonna get you're
not gonna see that dog again.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
But uh, it did. So to me, that is some
good news, that's for sure. All right, hang with us.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Coming up on the flip side, we can introduce you
to an interesting author.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Stay with us, Ed Lipinski. I'm going to the man cave.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
The cave.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Ah, yes, we are in the man cave. All signs
point to football, football, football.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
A lot of.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Fantasy drafts are happening right now. Cuts are being made,
deals are being made. I can't believe you are so
close to the regular season. And because so many of
you have asked me about my background, we just celebrated
National Radio Day and I thanked all these great affiliates.

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And one of the things that I did in my careers,
I worked for WFAN, which was the number one sports
station in the country. I left to do actually this
syndicated show. It was a wonderful experience. And then I
also had a chance to have a show on NBC
Sports Radio. The whole time it was on the air,

(20:32):
until eventually they melded that into into more into the
website than the actual radio shows. But it was such
a fun show to do. Based out of Los Angeles
and New York, and I was in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
So I followed.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
A couple of times. I followed the show that featured
Donovan McNabb and his tag team partner mister Malone from
those Steeler days, two quarterbacks, and they were so fun
to joke with and to have what they call the
cross talk when you go from one show to the

(21:12):
other and people keep asking me about, Hey, how about
some of those moments when you were on the air,
and who did you know or what kind of report
did you have. Take a listen to our convo here
coming up next under center with Donovan McNab and Mark Malone.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hey, guys, how you doing Hey, how.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
You doing outstanding?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm excellent. I gotta tell you this. I got to
confess this on the air. ESPN has a body issue.
And I said, what NBC host talent would deign to
bear naked and various poses, tasteful poses? And the crew said, Donovan,
you would do it?

Speaker 7 (21:53):
What kind of tasteful photos were talking about? Yeah, I'll
tell you. I mean, I'm not coming down with the
half cut shirt and the sleeveless I can rock. Maybe,
you know, I might give you give you some with
just some shorts and no shirt on. You gotta keep
it sexy, keep it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Second, they said that you were ripped. You know you
were in great shape.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
I'm in good shape, but I ripped. I don't know
about all that. I mean, you know, I'm still keeping
it sexy and hot.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Can you say photo shop? We can all look photo shop,
right man?

Speaker 7 (22:29):
That's what they're doing nowadays. Little air brushing wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Hey, looking forward to the show.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Are you guys on the Seal Pueek bandwagon or nah,
you don't.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
We don't call it bandwagon to do we mark, We
don't call it bandwagon. We just acknowledge what's happening. Yeah,
I voted for him yesterday.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, good, Yeah, I agree. Cool, all right. We look
forward to that.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
To be fun, all right, so pretty interesting, and we
would have a little back back and forth with with
them throughout the time that I was doing that whenever
I was in that position, depending on you know what.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
The show was so pretty.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Interesting, you know, speaking of interesting, I've said this already.
I'm watching because of course I watch all things football.
I'm watching the Cowboys series right now that's on Netflix.
But there was one that that's also on called not
on Netflix, but it's called The Kingdom and it features

(23:29):
the Chiefs and it's such an interesting behind the scenes
look at what goes on, you know, what went on
last season with the with the Chiefs. And there's a
point where Pat Mahomes talked about his dad because he
was asked about his dad getting arrested before the Super
Bowl because of all the problems that he's had obviously
with drinking. It finally again caught up with him, and

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here's what he said.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It hurt me. Woke him up to know that, like,
you can't keep doing the same things.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I called him, you know, right after I told him,
I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that is taken away
from your time in Focus. That made a vow that
he would never have to deal with anything because of
drinking because of me, and.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
He said he's been sober. I think he said it
was sober a year or something like that. But so
that's the great news there for sure. And this series
is absolutely fascinating because you forget the things the off
field dramas and whatnot, but also just what happens day
to day when you're when you know, in the life

(24:35):
of a football team, in what they're doing and who
they're playing, and how they set up for that and
what they're looking at and looking at ahead.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think there's nothing greater than these doc.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Series that they have, I think with anything, but definitely
with sports, because you don't always get that peak behind
the scenes, that full all access, and they really gave
them f access because you can certainly tell that all right.
Jerry Jones didn't mince words the Cowboys owner when it

(25:12):
comes to negotiating with Micah Parsons. He keeps getting asked
all the time what's.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Going on there? And he was on a.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Podcast and on the podcast he was asked, of course
about that, and he said that Parsons, they haven't come
to an agreement, and he said, when they wanted to sign,
you know, send the details to the agent of what
they were proposing. The agent told them to stick it

(25:43):
up there, you know. He said that he and Parsons
had already hammered out contract length and guaranteed money. But
the Cowboys owner accused Parsons agent David mcgetti of spiking
the negotiations, so saying we had the agreement and that

(26:04):
was it. So listening he was on Michael Irvin's podcast
and listening to him to say that, so I don't
know is he going to give him the franchise tag?
In twenty six and twenty seven, it followed this story
because Parsons is a big asset obviously to the Cowboys,
and he hasn't been able to practice with him or

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any of the things that he normally would do. So
that drama is far, far, far from far from over.
There was some preseason football action. It's like the preseason.
The preseason is scary to me, actually because then people,
some of these players get hurt. But the Steelers and

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the Panthers tangled in Charlotte North Carolina perfect timing for that.
So what happened in this game was that Skyler Thompson
eleven of thirteen passes for one hundred fifty two yards
twenty four yards strike to Lance McCutcheon, and their rookie

(27:06):
kicker Ben Salz kicked four field goals. The Steelers beat
the Panthers nineteen ten on Thursday Night.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean, see, here's the key thing.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Players get this some preseason reps that you know, does
it what happens there? Does it work for them? But
like I said, sometimes you have injuries like Derek Harmon,
the team's first round draft pick, You got to be
carted to the locker room because of a spraying knee
in the first half. He was the twenty first pick
in the draft and he has to be evaluated. He

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has a knee sprain of some sort and the injury
could be significant. There is no timetable for his return.
So there's arguments about preseason in general. It's like they
sort of need to get the rust off. But sometimes
things happen that are you know, that are deadly. And also, oh,

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the Giants knocked off the Patriots forty two to ten.
Did you happen to catch that one in looking at
I mean again, who cares about the preseason, right except
for the players trying to make the team or trying
to help themselves in other ways. Scatabo Cam Scatibo saw
his first game action for the Giants. Jackson Dart had

(28:23):
a pretty big finale, threw a touchdown pass and he
cleared concussion protocol obviously following a big hit. So Scatabo
started at running back after missing really most of training
camp because of a hammy injury. He had three carries
for twelve yards. Of course, the not a quarterback with

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Russell Wilson, that's where it goes. Most of the starters
just sit out. Dart showed some more promise. That's what
they're looking at. He's out of Mississippi six of twelve
passes for eighty one yards, including a fifty yard throw.
And catch a reminder about nail the score. This is

(29:06):
a really special thing we're doing. We're giving a lot
of time to do this. You can nail the score
right now, through this week and through the tal ended
next week by calling and leaving your guests at our
fabulous nail the score hotline eight one three four one
three fifty two thirty nine eight one three four one

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three fifty two thirty nine. And the game is the
first game of the season between the Eagles and the
Dallas Cowboys on Thursday, September fourth.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
So who do you think is going to win the game?
And what do you think the score is going to be.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
That's how we play, Nail the score, and we roll
it out every single year. We have so much fun
doing it, and I've given out some great prizes and
people have had big bragging rights. But it's been a
while since we've had a clear winner. Although wait, I'm
wrong about that because we did have Annie, one of
our religious callers who called in every single week.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
She did win in the beginning of the year. Last
year hang with.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Us on the show office Corner.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
She asked about the books.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
They rose really thrilled to welcome Brad Anderson to this
version of Author's Corner here in America Tonight with me
Kate Delaney. One of the books we're going to talk about,
and boy, he's written elevenies. In fact working on his
twelve is Unfinished Business, a case from the Janice Project files.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And this has.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Been a really interesting project and where he takes us
and the twists that he takes us through, and the
whole idea of what I love about his writing is
we got to solve a problem here, and that's a
theme in his books. So, Brad, thanks so much for
coming on.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Well, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Let's talk about first of all, just the Janis in general,
what the Janis project, because people are right away are thinking.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Oh, what is that?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
All right?

Speaker 6 (31:08):
So the Jens project is answering the question of what
how do we hide witnesses in the present time when
you have when everybody is wired in electronically, no matter
what you do, there's a record of you being there
or doing something. So the premise of the Jantz project is, well,

(31:31):
we'll hide them in the past. We'll take a location
where they won't interfere with with the present, but nobody
will know to look for them in the past. You know,
it's a nice safe place, nice secure place where we
can keep track of them and I have to worry
about the bad guys coming after them.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
And of course that's the big thing, right, the witness
protection all wrapped into that. So in this you know,
in this case we're talking about by the way unfinished
business Metal and Stones. That's another part of this.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
So let's talk about Diane Struther, your main character, and
in this particular book you talk about how she's on
board to help with this murder that happened that nobody
knows about. And it's interesting her connection with Rob Mackie

(32:22):
and what happens the dynamic between the two of them.
So how did this all unfold?

Speaker 6 (32:28):
Well, Diane first appears in the Genesis of Jens. She
was mixed up with this guy who had this very
lucrative illegal human organ harvesting program going on, and she
knew that it was going to last much longer, so
she decided to turn herself in and with a whole

(32:50):
bunch of evidence. And she is someone who, as we
learned in Genesis of jenis she has no conscience. So
everything she does has herself at the center of it.
If it suits her, then she'll do it. If it
doesn't suit her, then she won't. And in this case,
she thought it would be nice to have the government

(33:13):
set up a new identity for her, and so that
was one of the reasons why she turned herself in,
and she had her eye on Rob Mackie to be
the person who would take care of her, and we
can get into why she decided to do that. But
and she has this habit of misbehaving. So part of

(33:34):
the deal is if Rob will go along with solving
this crime, she'll be on her best behavior. She won't
give him any problems.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
So why did Diane pick Rob Mackie.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Well, Rob has a history of I guess we can
get into the whole vampire thing Diane. Diane is a
vampire and Rob Mackie has a history of not treating
vampires very well. He has killed quite a few and
that that is chronicled in another set of stories Guardian series.

(34:10):
And she thought, well, I'll be the the vampire who
who not only handles Rob, but I'll also planel I
also plan on betting him at some point in time.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
And you know, you start off and you talk about.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's so interesting because because you talk about where you
put her right in the beginning of this, where she's
in her flat right and you're talking about him being
in the apartment and what time of night it is
and how and you get the sense, of course, why
is she living there? Because she's in an old warehouse

(34:48):
district that was abandoned, and it's so interesting. It's sort
of like veiled as to really, like you said, the
vampire thing as to what that means, especially when you
first read your very first book on that and now
you get it and you're following along, and what was
it that made you be so fascinated with the vampires

(35:11):
and wrapping it into these into this series.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Well, Guardians goes back a long time, and that was
back when interview with the Vampire was very big and
I was wondering, how would how do vampires survive at
an age of other blood borne pathogenes, And so my
solution that problem was having a ready blood supply that

(35:40):
could be guaranteed be clean, which would be children. So
they had their living blood bank. So but that's that's
in the past. And this was an opportunity I thought
to get the vampire part of Rob's past out of
the way of the project stories. And if there are

(36:02):
any more vampires in Rob's life, it will be in
some separate way. But that was one of the intentions
of Unfinished Business. This is one of the unfinished business
that Rob has to uh to try to finish up
in his life.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, and this takes place in Nebraska too, uh Oga
Lala Nebraska? Am I saying that?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Right?

Speaker 6 (36:26):
I think so? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And why Nebraska? I thought it was so interesting that
you picked Nebraska.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Well, I was looking at the map, and in in
a way, Rob's discovery of the prospect of Oglaa being
the center of criminal activity was mine. I was looking
at the map and I noticed that ogla is like
right in a good spot. We have the interstate running
through and so you have good east west trafficking, and

(36:58):
you can also he can either go up through into Wyoming,
or he can go down through Colorado and eventually you
can make it to the west coast. Or he can
stay on the interstate in which is seventy, and go
all the way to the east coast. And there's the
rail line. You have a couple of regional airports nearby,
so if you were going to commit crime, you'd have

(37:20):
an easy way out. And when I initially looked at
the map, I thought Oakalila was much bigger. So when
Rob gets there, he makes the same discovery. Eventually, he
eventually do is that small? And then it was well,
maybe it's not that crime is being committed here because
there's really not that much crime to be had in

(37:44):
Oga Island. But what happens What would happen if maybe
Ogalal Island was the center of some other part of
the criminal enterprise. And in this case it's going to
be Monday laundering through the store metals and stones.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Wow, I say that comes into play.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
I think.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
What's so interesting too about your writing? For everybody listening,
check this out. The thing that you do is you
you say you like to write about places, you know,
scout settings and that kind of thing for your stories,
like hiking in the Grand Canyon, the Guadalupe Mountains, all
of that, and that comes into play a lot in

(38:22):
what you write.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
How cool is that?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But you, boy, you must work out all the time.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Oh I do, And in fact it's more I am
run ten and a half miles. Oh but but and
that's one of the interesting things about going to Oglala
is I originally, you know, look at the map, I thought, well,
this is a really big city. But I get there
and it's only a population about four thousand, Like, wow,
this is really small. This is like where I grew up.

(38:48):
And so I spent a full day walking around through
town and I ate at the Crystal Palace saloon where
Tony Rezo eats, and a lot of the places that
I described in the book, I actually walked through and
and visit it and also going up to the lake.
And I don't know if I find it fascinating because

(39:12):
I can learn so much I can learn about, you know,
if there's where the gravel countries enter my fee or
in the case of an Oglala, they have these really
nice like ramps that are in the sidewalks for you
at the corners and everything for wheelchair access. And it's
in late brick and it is it's perfect because it's

(39:34):
beautiful work. And so you know, all these things that
you can't find from a map are just going online.
You have to actually walk the area.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, very very cool, And I want to remind everyone
Unfinished Business, a case missing from the Janis Project, files,
Metals and Stones.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Has Bred just explained that you can get it for
a song.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You can get all these books. You can get a
kindle style and get a paperback. You even get hardback
if you like it that way, on Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
all of those great places. When people read this book
and this series in your other series, what do you
hope they take away.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
I hope that they learned something about a place that
they've never been, and I hope they get entertained. I
mean that is the end goal is to entertain the reader.
But I like going to these places because the places
I've never been before, and I think it might be
fascinating to other people too and give them something to like,

(40:31):
Oh yeah, let's go do a road trip. Well where
are we going to go? Let's go to Ogalalla. We
can look at all these places that Brad talks about
in this book.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I like it so it it does make you think,
where can I go? Open the map and let's see.
Rad Anderson, thank you so much for joining us on
an author's corner.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Oh thank you very much for having me.

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