Episode 02 - Partners in Crime - Keepers of the Clow

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of the Cloud on Matt the residentCardcaptor Expert. Then I'm Alex, co
host of Moonstar Sailor Moon Podcast andnow Keepers of the Cloud. And today
we are going over the second episodeof Car soccra as for as dubbed into
Car Captors, titled Partners in Crimeor the Japanese title Soccer was Wonderful Friend,

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Yes, which for the titles.For me, it was kind of
tough to figure out which one waswhich It wasn't that obvious. I feel
like it usually is which one iswhich. The Japanese title of Soccer was
wonderful friend. Uh, the youcan generally kind of tell which one's which
because the the English titles tend tobe more like, I don't know,
punchy or punny. They yeah,maybe use alliteration when they can. Yeah.

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Plus, I think the Japanese titlesmostly Okay, I guess not always,
because I think a lot of theJapanese titles have soccra and something in
them or it's so it's I don'tthink that's a hard fast rule, but
I think that is more common thannot. I think it makes sense because
a lot of the Japanese titles andother anime usually include a name from one

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of the characters. So maybe that'slike Also, is that what you mean
is like a giveaway? Yeah,it's it's something like that. It's the
Japanese titles. Also. I noticedthis in Sailor Moon too, but they
tend to be longer in the Japanesetitles, and English titles are usually pretty
short, and in the Japanese onesI've I've found, at least in Sailor

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Moon, they sometimes are kind ofspoilers for the episode. Like there's certain
episodes where characters you know die andthen the title it's just like this character
dies and you're like, oh,okay, thank you, thank you for
setting up expectations. I guess it'syeah, it's really I think that choice
is a little strange, but Idon't think, yeah, speaking of strange

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choice, like this is a weirdtitle. This is the weird English title
considering that in like four episodes thereis the burglary episode where they're breaking and
entering into a museum, that oneshould be partners in crime. I don't
know why this one is partners incrime. I was just trying to when
you said that, I was like, yeah, I don't get why they
referenced crime here, unless it hassomething to do with the way the card

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is interacting with the school, whichwe'll talk about later. Well before yep,
fair there is that. I thinkI think they probably picked it more
because it's like it's establishing that,oh, yeah, Tomoio is in here
now, so we actually have thethe iconic coal going now. I never
would have even thought about that betterreferencing her. Yeah, they're right,
because it's the two of them forquite I don't know, actually how long.

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I can't remember. It's it's themfor it's the two of them for
oh, just the two of them. Yeah, like I don't know.
Yeah, it's because the others.It's Acco and Tolmo for another another six
step no, another five episodes.Sorry, So they get a little mini
arc in the beginning. Yeah,just like like like what Sailor mon Ami.
Uh, they got like two orthree episodes alone before Taylor Mars showed

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up. So yeah, exactly.I love that kind of aspect of shows
like this though, because it's likeit's such a specific, unique moment in
the show's history. It doesn't occuragain, you know, so those episodes
are probably special in their own way. Yeah. One other thing I want
to mention about this one. Whatwe're talking about this episode so so so

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this episode is episode two of Cardcaptorssokra. It never aired in the North
American regions as far as I know, so it doesn't have a card Captor's
air date. But what it doeshave, and I had to dig these
out of my closet. Card Captorsactually had a a I don't know exactly
what you call these, a visualnovel sort of adaptation where it's it's not

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manga, it's where they just screencappedthe show and then put comic panels over
it. So while this episode didn'tair in North America, you could buy
the card Captor's Visual Novel, andthis episode is entirely in there. And
not only is it entirely in there, it's entirely uncut relative to the Card
Captors edit that we have. Soif they wanted to find that book,

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they would just look up Card CaptorsVisual Novel Volume. Yeah, yeah,
I'll put up I'll put up apicture of it. It's a Cardcaptor's Volume
one. There there were ten ofthese that covered the entire first forty five
episodes of the series. They actuallyexist in Japanese too, I do have
them. The Japanese versions also gotlike three volumes into the Soccer arc and

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then they cut it, so Idon't think those issues ever got translated over
here, which seems Yeah, itseems to be a trend with Carcaptors and
Carcapter Soccer that a lot of thingsjust didn't finish their run for one reason
or another. It's been I willhopefully we'll discover exactly why. Through the
process of doing the show, I'vebeen digging around, but I've never gotten

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an answer. The other thing I'vedug around for, I did find the
at least one of the musicians associatedwith Carcaptors are reached out. Don't have
an email from them yet. Butyou know, you never know though,
because like doing stuff like this showkind of stirs things up a little bit,
even if it is sort of small, you know what I mean?
Yea. And through the process ofeven just doing the other one, some

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media that I assumed was lost,like fan dubs of Sailor Moon from you
know, nineteen nineties, six orseven that I had on VHS. Uh.
That stuff has sort of started toresurface, you know, over the
last year, So who knows.There's a fan dub apparently that was made
of the first Carcaptor Sagram movie.I don't I don't know if that ever

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finished. I was I was givenI was given like an early preview of
it, but I don't know ifit was ever finished it. I don't
know if it was ever made.It would be cool to find that,
though. We should dig into fandomsin general for card captors know how much
there are oh if we should dothat, Like, Okay, I'm dating
myself a little bit. No,I'm dating this episode a little bit.
And it was uh that guy withthe glasses. Nostalgia critic did a kids

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WB review Chunk a few months ago, and actually it was sent to me
because one of the one of theactors on that show got to spend like
two minutes talking about car so Iwatched that segment. Apparently allegedly she did
fandoms with her friend, uh thatshe claims are lost at time, but

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who knows, Maybe they won't bemaybe we'll maybe we'll wield them back into
existence. Wait, you never know. The Internet has a strange way of
holding onto things that you think aregone. So as long as they were
put online, yeah, like ifthey're put online, they're never gone.
If if they were never uploaded,then yeah they Yeah. And I think
there's like more and more resources comingout, especially with like AI tools and

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everything going on. I mean,I'm sure there's going to be an AI
tool that will help you search theInternet, probably before this episode is even
out, So who knows. Ohyeah, I don't want to think about
that world. But yeah, you'reright, right, right, it's such
a weird time that we're living land. I would trade speaking of AI.
I would much prefer to have magicalcards screwing with our world than AI.

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So maybe we can. Oh,yes, I'll take our magical for Lord's
any day. Right, even thoughI'm on record is saying I absolutely want
a robot body, but you know, that's beside the point. That is
actually very intuitive though, because Ithink anyone who is our age or older
can probably relate, like, yourbody breaks down as you get older,
you know what I mean, andit takes more effort to keep it like

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good. So just having a robotbody would be very convenient. Yeah.
Then it'd be way easier to justtake it into the mechanic and get something
worked on, rather than I haveto like go out and do exercise in
this heat recording us at the endof July. By the way, going
out and doing exercise, I exercisein my home, thank you. Yeah,
I live in a place where it'sjust generally not that nice to exercise

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outside. So like going outside,how am I supposed to maintain my pasty
saltine complexion if I go and touchwell, how are you supposed to never
get skin cancer if you never youknow what I mean, Like, I
don't know, the sun is sobad here, it's like painful. But
anyway, speaking of yellow things,that the first note I actually have about

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this episode is about her house.Yeah, let's actually go talk. Let's
let's let's dive into the episode now. Yeah, I think they're getting to
know us a little so, butno, the yellow house that is Sakura's
house, Yes, that I don'tknow if it's just the color or the
design itself, but it reminds mepersonally a lot of the house I grew
up in because I had a yellowhouse and it was like the yellow house

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on the street, you know whatI mean, Oh, just the only
yellow house. M and so thatkind of thing. Just instantly, I
was like, oh, that's aninteresting detail because it's not like a common
home color at least here, youknow. Yeah, I guess I don't
see them here like you. WhenI'm thinking about like the actual area like
in the show, I'm trying tothink of like you have. The the

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overhead shots are always the Kinamoto house. I would struggle to actually tell you
anything else about the surrounding area,even though I know she has neighbors.
It's not like we ever see them, but like it's a very standard Japanese
suburb. Yeah, it looks cozyand it looks like from what I might
be remembering wrong, but I thinkit's kind of like there's a wall between

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the street and the neighborhoods, sowe see more of like a wall and
then maybe houses peaking over. AmI remembering correct? Yeah, Yeah,
that's like, yeah, it's avery standard, very standard Japanese suburb where
you have like those those concrete likecinder block walls everywhere, like like they
don't have pick of fences there.They have they have cinder blocks because they're

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like we don't want to hear theroad. Yeah, you would think that
that would be very depressing, butthey're very neat and clean and just yeah,
it's a very nice aesthetic if youactually go, if you go to
Japan, like walk around one oftheir areas, like they're very nice,
very her neighborhood based on a specificneighborhood in Japan, so specific location.

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The best I've been able to andthis is really more from my own speculation.
We know more or less that it'ssomewhere in the Tokyo metro area.
I've kind of always worked under theassumption that it's somewhere around Chiba, which
is east of Tokyo, closer tothe coastline, but like it's not it.

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Yeah, that's about the best guess. The clamp have never stated that
it's specifically based off of anywhere,and they have a tendency to like kind
of cherry pick locations from around Japanand move them into tomo Ita, so
like it's kind of like everywhere Japan. I was just wondering because I know
that I don't think it's it actuallymight be in this episode, but there's

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this very distinctive penguin slide at oneof their playgrounds, and my thought was,
if we could place that slide inreal life, that would get no.
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sureKing Penguin is a completely unique thing,
like just me. If that penguinexisted, I'd know about it by
now. I would ride that slideas a thirty whatever year old all the

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time. Absolutely, I would gothere, like yeah, like I think
there. I wrote a script once, but I never produced it. Like
seven places in Carcapter Soccer, youcan actually go Unfortunately, the penguin slide
is not one of them. Soafter well, after talking about the house,
and let's talk about the episode.Yeah, and my first thought was

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imagine being woken up by Kiro likethe first day after all of this happened.
Yeah, that'll probably be like,wait, it wasn't just a dream,
Like, isn't that kind of herreaction? It is basically her reaction,
Like she hears him talking and shejust thinks she left the television on,
and then she actually gets to seehim all, you know, right
up in her face and basically getsto meet him for a second time before

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they they flash back to the previousepisode just to catch anyone up who hadn't
seen the first episode. And arethese flashbacks included in the original version or
is it something that was added intoCardcaptors. Yes, and no. Flashbacks
absolutely do happen in the original version. But I believe Cardcaptors goes about filling

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a lot of time by adding additionalflashbacks where necessary. But I run these
when I'm doing the research. I'mrunning the I'm running the subversion next to
the dub version just to see soif a flashback happens that isn't in the
sub I'll definitely make note of it, but no idea. It's like,
like I said, yes and no. There are definitely times in Carcaptors where

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they add flashbacks because they cut waytoo much out of the episode, so
they just fill in a little bitof a previous episode in there. Yeah,
and I know too it Deek sometimeswould do that where and you could
usually tell if they were adding somethinglike that in because they put this nineties
background and then would like superimpose theimage at kind of an angle over it.

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For anyone who knows the reference ofSailor says, it's it's kind of
similar to that stile but thrown intothe middle of the episode. And I
think I at least what I wasable to sort of observe from it is
when they do have to make cuts, yeah, it kind of fills that
time. But they also approached theseshows in these versions of the dub and

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with two things in mind, thatthe audience would be kids or young and
also that it would be airing ina way where likely you're not catching every
single episode in order, right,Yeah, fair, because these were like
either weekly or I know was SailorMoon. They were like, at least
when I was watching they were it'slike six o'clock in the morning on some
obscure cable channel, so like Iwasn't always catching every single episode, so

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yeah, and it was five daysa week, so it would be easy
to miss it when it was airingfor me anyway. And the yeah,
the early morning ones, Yeah,Carcaptors aired weekly that I remember for me.
It was WB Kids Yeah, yeah, Saturday, Yeah, it Wastoons,
Yeah, it was Kids WB.It was not Fox otherwise it was
with Many Yugio. And then Iused to watch the Jackie Change Show.

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Then I love that, and Pokemonwould have been there. Of course that
was back when Pokemon was first airingand was first new to Oh my god,
what a time. I just gothit by like a nostalgia, so
much good quality television that really waslike such a golden era in a lot
of ways when it comes to entertainmentat least, you know, oh absolutely,

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I think I kind of miss it. But hey, you know what,
we have all these recordings, Ieven have VHS quality to really enjoy
the authentic experience same, and youknow what, we get to have shows
like this now where we share whatthat was like with people who probably were
not there, you know, forall those people out there that are too
young to remember, you used tohave to get up at a specific time

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to watch shows you couldn't just Iwas about to date myself to say TiVo,
Like when does it? When didTiVo stop being a thing? I
remember when TiVo was new and itwas for only enriched people, So like,
yeah, for all you listeners,TiVo was the earlier version of direct
TV, which is just the earlierversion of you know, being able to

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record things digitally. We used tohave to record things on a VHS,
on a VCR, and TiVo actuallyis the first. They're called DVRs.
If for anyone who might know thatreference better, like that was I think
the standard name for that device.Yeah, I think that's yeah. Yeah,
in a way I kind of missedthat though, because like I miss
even half commercials because it ties youto the time period. Does that make

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sense? It doesn't. Yeah,Now you're making me think, like you
know, the kids WB had likethe cartoon characters sing the national anthem.
Yeah, I'm wondering there's gotta besome because they would they would make car
like bumpers with the characters. There'sgot to be a few of those with
carcaptors somewhere, and honestly, Idon't have any of them in my collection.

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I have some, I'll start lookingbecause I've gotten a few of the
Tunami like broadcasts on VHS that featuredthe Sailor Moon episodes, and a lot
of those have these special Tsunami bumperswhere it would be like they actually put
a lot in knowing how video editingworks, they put a lot of time
and effort into making that back inthat time to where the like have clips

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of the show and then this littlerobot dude who's three D like watching it
from his spaceship and talking to youabout it and stuff I don't know.
We got woken up by Kiro yep, and we were discussing the flashbacks.
One thing about Kiro though, shecalls him a flying squirrel, and yes,
I actually have that as a asa note that he has a squirrel.
One of the many animals that Kirois clearly going to be mistaken for

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throughout the series. What he's kindof like a mini teddy bear with wings
is the best. Yeah, it'shis tiny form. I mean, he's
supposed to be a lion, right, like a main mainless light, which
I don't know. It kind ofmakes him more like a mountain lion or
cougar. Reminds me of Ente fromPokemon a little. Yeah, but Ente

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also had a main right but yeah, yeah, I mean they both bring
fire. But yeah, that's whathe's supposed to be. And yes,
his his his chippy form is justit's kind of teddy bearish. I can
still sort of see the cataness inhim, especially when you know, like
he's the way he sits, buthe sits all sorts of different ways he
does, and his character reminds mea lot of a really good natured person

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who is maybe smaller in stature andhas a lot of insecurity about that at
the same time, maybe, butdefinitely not Hero Caro. Hero and insecure
are not in the same sentence.Maybe maybe insecure is the wrong word.
But like he handled he He getsteased a lot, I feel like,
and he kind of like the wayhe reacts to it. Yeah, he

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definitely sticks up for himself. Laterwhen they're calling him a frog, that's
that's a Japanese comment. When whenthey actually name him Caro, like Caro
is the is the automatopeia for whatfrogs make in Japanese. So like,
that's why, that's why he didn'tlike that name when they offered it to
him. Oh, I never wouldhave known that. That's actually interesting.
I'm thinking of what else or whereelse have I heard that? Kiro h

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sergeant frog. The Japanese name forit is like kiroro something. Maybe maybe
my hero academia, like Sue Yu'sverbal tick in Japanese. She says cairo
because again, that's that's the soundfrog's make. I keep thinking of Hello
Kitty's frog friend for some reason.There is also a frog in Hello Kitty

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that may or may not be namedthat. I'm not sure. I don't
know if I'm right, but maybesomeone listening does. But speaking of names,
he actually names her or calls hercard Captor Sakura. Yep. At
two forty he says the thing.He actually says, Cardcaptor Sikora, which
is a thing that, like goingback, has kind of been a treat
to actually hear them say it.They keep saying Cardcaptor Sakura several times,

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like, oh my god, they'resaying the actual title in card Captor.
I love that too. It's kindof like a little wink from the creators
to like the people who know orwhatever. And I don't remember that ever
being a thing in the Card Captorsepisodes that I watched same. I was
surprised. Yeah, it just seemslike something that they cut around when they

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didn't air these episodes in America.Yeah. In that part too, again,
we're in her room and I'm justseeing how I really like how colorful
and detailed all the stuffed animals are, because it's easy, like when you're
looking at backgrounds and anime, Ifeel like it's easy if she wanted,
they wanted to have a lot ofstuffed animals to kind of make them non
descript. Yeah, yeah, buther collection is actually fairly Yeah, her

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collection is very interesting despite that.And you know, if you ask me,
I don't think I could really nameanything that's on that pile except the
weird looking alligator. But like,they're just a if you look in the
animation sheets, they are just asolid block that always exists in her room.
Like there's never any attention to it. She's never seen in acting with

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them, are holding them. Theyjust exist. They are a background element
that someone put a lot of timeinto developing, and as far as we
know, they're just decoration. Evento her, they're not like they're not
special. What it means to meis like they were probably special to her
when she was little, and becauseof her age, it's like they're still
around, but she's not really interactingwith them or playing with them anymore.

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Kind of like a kid who grewup with beanie babies. Yeah, and
you know they're around when they're elevento fifteen or whatever, but they're not
really Yeah that all of those actuallydisappear when Clear Card begins. She like
the sequel series, they're gone,so she definitely Yeah. So as soon
as she turns thirteen, damn,well that's sad. Well we get another

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late for school motif here though,yes, which I don't late the first
time. Yes, she is,and this is also the This is also
the first very notable cut in theentire series, because in the Japanese version,
she takes a short cut, orso let let me put it this
way. In in Car Captors,as a shown she's late, she takes
a short cut, and then shemakes it to school. Look at the

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time, I'm supposed to be medicineby short cut Nazi. In the Japanese

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version, there's a whole scene withYukito because her short cut takes her right
in front of his house and shegets to talk to him and he gives
her flowers and then she leaves.It's it's a very nice scene. It
just sets up more of their relationship, but they cut it out entirely for
no real reason. This isn't evenone of the ones where like Soccer was
crushing on Yukito. This was justa nice like, hey, good morning,

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there's a weird way that you tookto school. Here. I have
some flowers for your room because I'mdoing some gardening and I don't want to
throw the flowers away. Yeah,so that's that's a weird thing to cut,
especially because they were pushing her beinginto him. I feel like more
than the Yeah, it's just it'sjust a very nice scene that they cut
for no real reason because it doesn'tI mean, yes, it saves like

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two minutes of time, but Imean, I guess the only the only
thing I could really think of isthat they maybe thought Yukito's character was not
that compelling to in like an Americanaudience for some reason, that it could
be that, and I do alwayslike I always have to caveat like I
understand why they have to cut somethingbecause you gotta you gotta fit more commercials
into American podcasts, So you gottacut like three minutes out of any anime

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that's coming over here anyway, Soyou know what a scene like that,
that is the first thing that's gonnaget cut if it's not integral to the
story. Probably, Yeah, yeah, I always just like I made note
of it. It just how ridiculousit kind of is where it's like,
like I said, they just kindof disguise it as like, oh my
god, I'm late for school.Take a shortcut animated. Wow. How

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glad they it's a climatic. Yeah, I'm glad they at least still kept
her going to school, though,because I've noticed, like when they jump
cut locations and other anime, itcan be a little jarring. I like
seeing how they got there. Yeah, yeah, we at least get her
skating sequence. Yeah. I lovewhenever we see that. But and also
so, I mean, the reasonthat she's late for school is because she's

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actually going in excessively early. Inthe Japanese version, it's because she's on
like the school classroom duty. It'sit's a rotating thing that the kids do.
But in the dub, and thisis a recurring theme, she was
intentionally going to meet Madison early becausethey have to quote unquote work on a

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project. Keepers of the Cloud willbe right back. And now we return
to Keepers of the Cloud. They'realways working on a school project. This

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is this is one of those thingsabout like American dubs that really bugs me
about school life, Like children alwayshave a project that they have to be
working on a parent and I don'thave any. That's really odd. And
I think part of the reason theyedited it is because we don't do the
thing where students like care about theschool. Yeah right, I understand why

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they had to put something in there. It's just, yeah, it's always
a project. Half of half ofthe feels crazy. Yeah, half of
soccer and tell me or half ofsoccer and Madison's conversations are discussing some independent
study or school project that they're independentlyworking on, you know, projects that
we never ever see because they're notactually real in the original like in the

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originalspect of the conversations, I reallynever noticed that I'm going to pay attention
for it. See, it's justsomething that bugs me about like of the
things that they can fill in linesfor, like it's just the weirdest thing.
Yeah, it is super good.But I think what they would do
is when they weren't sure how tofill in a scene that they were trying

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to edit the dialogue in or cut, they would fall back on things like
that, you know, and uh, I think that might be an instance
where they just like, we don'tknow how else to explain this, So
now it's a school project. Yes, yes, what it? Maybe they
wear in a modest story school.I don't know, no, just kidding,
it's like yeah, probably. Alsothe other thing that this changes like

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in Car Captors, where she's intentionallymeeting Madison, whereas in the in the
sub like Tomoyo shows up as asurprise because she's like, she showed up
early hoping to find Socoo so thatshe could show her the video that she
took last night. But I havesomething else I wanted to show you first
to Kara a video. That's right, I got some really great shots last

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night. H what was that.It's not a major change that they made
it so like, oh, yeah, they were meeting intentionally and either way,
Soco didn't know that Tomoio was goingto bring a video camera with her
with her on camera flying, likeeither way didn't know that was happening.

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There doesn't seem to be an urgencyto really hide what's going on at this
point, not necessarily. I mean, there certainly isn't like there's certainly no
drive to share it with everyone.Like, yeah, Tomoyo finding out as
a complete accident. It makes mewonder if soccer was ever ever, if
it occurred to her ever to sharethis with anyone. But she was already

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keeping the secret from her, fromher family, Like it's not like Caro
popped out and she immediately brought himto dinner. It's like, Hi,
dad, antya, here is thismagical creature that was living in a book
in your basement and he's going tolive with us. Now, that's a
typical It's a typical element or atrope of magical girl stuff, is that
you have to you have to keepthe secret. It has to be a

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secret. Like sometimes there's actually apunishment associated with breaking the secret, but
usually it's just that's just the formulayou get magical powers. You don't tell
people about it. Don't leave thisroom as long as anyone else's home.
Hey, you'll freak them out.Absolutely. Huh, well that's yeah,
that's why I was sort of surprisedthat she's so that Madison is just like

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at school with the camera and showingher there where anyone could see it,
you know what I mean. Ithought that was a little strange. I
can't believe how well this came out, like yeah, but and yeah,
I guess it might not have occurredto Madison. But then again, the
only one she's telling is the oneperson who's you know, the subject of
it. That's true. And Iguess for her, she probably wasn't really

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even thinking about like she was probablythinking like if anything, someone would think
this was edited or which is somethingthat would be which is mentioned at sometimes
like when we get to it,well, when we get to it,
we'll actually talk about that, likethe end of the ending scene of this
episode. Oh right, right,right. But I liked her camera though.
It's one of those it's like acam corner with the little screen that

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shows what she recorded that like flipsback and forth. Yeah, it was
very I would say it's advanced.For uh, I would like the series
takes place in late nineties. I'dsay it was advanced for that time,
but I think in Japan, likethey just had better cameras than us.
So well that and it sure was. Well Madison too about her character,
which we find out later, Ohyeah, she's rich and her family makes

(29:59):
the camera, so it's like,yeah, of course she has one.
Well, speaking of what we justtalked about, actually there's no real drive
to hide it. I thought itwas kind of reckless what happens later where
Kiro has her randomly someone her staffat school, like just to show off.
M Yeah, it's like, yes, okay, they're in the backyard,

(30:19):
like out in the corner where Iguess no one is no maintenance,
but like they're still at the wallof the school. Anyone walking through those
hallways could potentially see, Like it'simplied that it is a out of the
way area that probably no one willsee. But it's also you're right,
it feels reckless, but yeah they'reten, Like that's not that part.

(30:42):
I get. It was because Kirowas encouraging it. Who's supposed to that's
her guide? Yeah, Kiro andMadison both peer pressuring her and to be
like, yeah, show us magic, come on, let's do it.
You have got to let me filmthis, which is kind of actually like
a cute, lighthearted way of approachingthis versus the you can't possibly share this

(31:03):
with that any one, like youknow, it's sort of different and nice.
Yeah, this one, Like,like I said, like some series
have rules about sharing it. Thisis not one of the ones where it's
like here, I'm gonna give youthis magic key, but you can't tell
anyone about it or it'll stop beingmagic. It's like like that's that's not
a rule. Yeah, that Likethere is literally no reason she has to
keep it a secret other than Iguess it's just too complicated to explain to

(31:27):
people, which is a fair reasonbecause I imagine how exhausting to have to
go through that every time. Itprobably wouldn't it Like she looks out that
like Madison. Uh, it justis totally into the idea, like from
the start. Yeah, And like, let's be fair here, if you
found out if you were ten andyou found out your friend was a wizard,

(31:48):
like, would you actually would younot just be like, oh my
god, it's so cool. Whatelse can you do? Exactly? It
would be the most exciting thing ever, and I would probably want to film
it. Yeah, I mean filmdefinitely. I lack the ability to make
clothes. Uh, yeah, thatI can't do for them. They can't,
but they end magic. They can'tmake their own outfits. In theory,

(32:08):
there is no clothing card though,true, but she could probably I
fear some reason. I feel likeshe could use the flower card to make
something happen. I don't know,guess. But speaking of the way the
cards function, we get our firstlook at like how this week's card is
is kind of having an influence overher world. What does what does it

(32:28):
do? Like? What's the firstthing we see? Right? So,
Shadow is the card of this uhof this episode, And as the name
implies, it has the ability tomanipulate shadows, so it can make it
takes shadows and can actually give themsome level of form, and it can.
It's shown that it has the abilityto manipulate physical objects by manipulating the

(32:52):
shadows of those objects. Generally,what you see is that like shadow will
take a person's shadow and then makethat shadow go over to like a desk's
shadow and pick up the desk's shadowand buy extension that means that the desk
will fly. He does that actuallylater, where like he's throwing around the
school's statue by manipulating the shadow ofthe statue and if you're not paying attention

(33:17):
at first, it kind of almostlooks like telekinesis or something. Yeah,
like if you don't know, ifyou don't notice the shadows, then yeah,
it looks like just a bunch ofobjects floating around. I thought that
detail was kind of cool because itwas like a power that could I could
see why they have to figure outwhat it is in that instance, it's
not quite as obvious. Yeah,it's kind of It's sort of an idea

(33:42):
that's played with throughout Car Captors thatlike you have to be able to name
the card before it will reveal itselfand you can capture it. But it's
very fast and loose with that one. Like sometimes Soccra is like it's a
plot element where Soccra actually has tofigure out and name the card. But
most of the time it's like Erobeing like, oh, hey, I
know which one that is that's shadow? Uh yeah, we could just deal

(34:04):
with it by turning on the lightsor you know, they'll call him and
being like it happens several times laterwhere they're like, hey, yeah,
we're dealing with a thing that's pinkand uh it likes to dance, Like
yeah, that's probably flower. You'regood, She's fine, So like it's
it makes sense that she does needto figure it out though, because when
you're dealing with anything, it's hardto solve any problem if you don't know

(34:28):
what you're dealing with. You know. It's also like it's kind of like
a magic concept where like knowing something'strue name gives you more power over it,
like it's it's a It's a themethat Clamp actually likes to use in
some of their later ones, LikeI think it comes up in like uh
Subasa and Hallock, Like these areboth things that have a lot to do
with like name power. So it'skind of a theme that they sort of

(34:52):
play with a little bit. TheyClamp like to put a lot of magical
concepts into their u into their stuff, not necessarily commit too much to their
own rules at times, or atleast when the narrative doesn't require it.
So, like I said, sometimessoccer is like obligated you have to figure
out the name of the card tobreak its power. Other times it's just
like she doesn't find out the nameof it is until she actually seals it.

(35:15):
We should keep itally of the onesshe doesn't figure out until she gets
it, because I'm curious it willbe. Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
Might might look at that. Butyeah, so that's that's how Shadow
goes. And Shadow causes quite abit of property damage as we see,
including smashing that statue that as faras I noted, I guess nothing ever
happens. Like there's so much collateraldamage that happens in Tomata that I have

(35:38):
to imagine keeps the civil engineers busy. But you never really hear in most
cases about the aftermath of the damage. The only time is in a later
episode where King Penguin gets flipped overand there's actually news coverage, like someone
flipped over the statue. I wasthinking about that earlier when I mentioned it.

(35:58):
I couldn't remember what card it was, but we'll find out later.
I thought it might have been thisepisode when I was originally watching it too,
but then we didn't get there.I was like, oh, maybe
not. Yeah, I don't thinkthe Penguin park gets introduced until either the
next episode or a couple more fromthe here what they decide to investigate all
of the things that Shadow is doingat night? Of course again and I

(36:21):
was like, why at night?Oh yeah, because then no one would
be there, and also they haveschool, so that does make sense.
Yeah, exactly, like gotta yougotta go when you don't have witnesses,
right, which doesn't seem necessarily thathard in this world because it seems like
everyone goes to bed at seven andshuts off all their lights and closes their
windows and no one ever looks outsideexcept Madison with her camera, who was

(36:44):
taping the moon for some reason thatone night. Right, she probably does
it every night. I don't knowthat there's no there's no nightlife in Tomueta.
So yeah, a lot of cardcaptures happen at night, which like,
yeah, you have that's a goodmoment to call out, like when
they're in when they're in the roomand Soccer doesn't want to go out at
night. It covers a little bitof Soccer's like fear of ghosts. In

(37:07):
the sub it's there's that's made moreobvious that, like she has a phobia
of ghosts, and I think theytry to kind of cut around this a
little bit in Car Captors, Likethey still say it, they say that
she is afraid of them, butlike I think they try to tone it
down a little bit because part ofCar Captor's effort was to try and kind

(37:28):
of make soccer a little tougher.I do remember there being an episode that
really highlights that, though, Yeah, it's a it's a bit later than
this. Yeah, it's a kindof it's an interesting episode. It's one
that's a little bit different, Ithink too. But we'll discuss it when
we get there. Something else weget to see though, when they're they
show up to actually do the investigation, is Madison's ridiculous. I don't know

(37:52):
what is that. It's like acar van? What is it? Yeah,
she's got like a she's got avan. That's just I'm not sure
like what exactly, I'm not surewhat exactly you would call it, Like
it's basically is it. Well,so there's two cars that show up.
She has, she has her carthat she rides in, and then there
is the there is the van thatis just a mobile closet basically that is

(38:16):
full of costumes. If you're ifyou actually look closely at it, you
can see some of the costumes thatshow up later in the series, except
they're in different colors. So it'skind of like, I'm pretty sure they
just filled that all in with fillerstuff, because there's plenty of things in
there that never appear in the series. But I like that though. That's
more realistic. Yeah, Like likeTomoyo had just made like two dozen outfits

(38:39):
and they pick one, which theone that they end up picking was not
I don't believe it's in that shotat all, probably not. That's kind
of funny, Yeah, but Ithought that this again, like referencing the
clothes when they show up for thismoment, they're already in different outfits from
what they wear for school, sothat's additional animation and sign and then they

(39:00):
had someone had to design every outfitin fat Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah,
yeah, they design that. Socraand Tamoyo basically like for a couple
of children, they have extensive wardrobeslike Soccra. I don't Socra only wears
an outfit more than once, liketwo times. She has an extensive wardrobe

(39:22):
for an animated character, because yeah, it's very typical of kids shows,
especially where the characters wear the samething in every episode. It's just a
it's just a cost cutting thing.Well, it is, and that's why
I'm highlighting it so much, becauseI think it is one of the unique
things about car captors or card captorsoccur in general, that they put that

(39:42):
much. I don't know, it'seasy to It's easy to do in manga
because like you know, you don'thave to animate manga. But yeah,
and animation, that's that's a lotmore work. And Madhouse does not cut
corners apparently, or at least MadHouse didn't cut corners. Madhouse is the
studio that that animated carcater Socra well. And because I'm just thinking too,
like the way they typically design theiroutfits, if it's a school uniform or

(40:06):
something, there's usually limited movement tothat type of design. But a lot
of these outfits for her captures arevery intricate and have a lot of moving
parts too, and like flowing andall of that, and that aspect in
and of itself is hard to animatein a way that works. Yeah,
Like especially on this costume, becausethis costume has the long red cape and

(40:28):
it has those two like little Ithink those tasks, those long blue tassels
are I think attached to her hat, so like I think so so those
are. She's got three very long, flowy things and it's countered by the
outfit that is basically a leotard witha vest over it and then really high
socks. So like they have onereally big, long flowy part and then

(40:51):
one part that moves absolutely not atall. Yeah, and and Kiro got
something Yeah. And Kiro's an accessoryhe gets he gets an accessory for most
of the costumes. I know.I love that part of it, and
I love that he loves it.Yeah, he is totally into it.
That's why, like I said,like like Kiro and Insecure do not go
together. This guy, like right, he knows what his role is and

(41:12):
he just embraces it, like heloves free stuff. Yeah, and I
don't. I think it's probably thetime period I grew up in. But
hearing a voice like Kiros, whowe said was like very what surfer bro
He is definitely surfer bro ish.I'm not sure if Matt Hill can do
any other voices, but he isdefinitely just always optimistic, always like relaxed.

(41:37):
It's hard for Kiro to ever soundserious like he's kind of capable of
it. But yes, he's heis very much a go with the flow
kind of guy. Yeah, butin the world I grew up in a
guy like that in real life whohas a voice like that could never or
would never be socially allowed to likebe happy about being adorable and a cute
little red bow. Do you knowwhat I mean? Yeah, I get

(42:00):
but and so that dichotomy just makesthat extra special to me for some reason.
Yeah, yeah, I get you, But most of the people you
grew up with were not like tinycute animals. No, but you get
what I'm saying. Yeah, Itotally hearing a dude bro be like I
love this bow. There's just somethingabout it that is like very pleasing to

(42:20):
me. There is, Yes,it's absolutely like it's good that that Kiro
is comfortable in his own skin.Right in the beginning of the fight,
we get to see these random shotsof Madison filming from the bushes. A
detail was so funny. So she'sso diligent to get like unfortunately she only
really gets that one angle. Butyeah, well but it makes it it's
like a detailed thought that I thinka lot of shows might not think about

(42:45):
where It's like they could have justhad her show up with the footage the
next day. But I love usseeing her getting the footage, do you
know what I mean. It's likethat little one more step that adds something
extra to it for me. Yeah, I'm glad they preserved that. And
I'm also glad. And this isjust about like car chapter Soccery in general
that you know, it's nice ofTomoyo to stay out of the way and

(43:07):
not like Lois Lane her way intodanger all the time, like she knows
to keep her distance Lois Lane herway into dander. It's a great reference.
She she does. She's a goodh I don't know how you would
describe her like human counterpart. They'reall humans, but like non magical sidekick.
Yeah, she is absolutely that.She is a non magical supporting character.

(43:28):
Yeah, like Soccer from Avatar,The Last Airbender, Yeah, the
idea guy. Yeah, so Windy. We get to see Wendy right away.
But and it's super pretty, butit doesn't work. Why do you
think it doesn't work? Here theygo into detail about why the why certain
cards don't work on whichever I mean, if I had to say specifically,

(43:51):
I'd say it's because shadow is notreally a corporeal card, like it's shadow,
Like, how do you really howdo you really hurt a shadow?
You don't, or at least youdon't do it with wind It's also like
Windy's a as far as the elementalcards go, Windy is technically the most
gentle of them, not necessarily theweakest, but like she's the least aggressive.

(44:12):
So like she's it's not really capableof hurting anything because you know it
wasn't she usually create a chain orsome kind of a trap. Yeah,
she always. She always tries to. Yeah, she always tries to bind
it. And you can see likewhen the windy stuff strikes the shadows,
all it really doesn't just kind ofbreak it up and then it just reforms.
So it's it's it's really more thanWindy just is incapable of touching shadow.

(44:34):
I also noted though, that itcould be because the card seems powered
up from how many of the studentsshadows it took. It seems stronger due
to that. Yeah, Plus it'snighttime, so that's like the perfect time
for shadow to be strong even thoughit's a shadow, So in theory,
it should need a light source it. You know, there is a dark
card, but and shadow is notthe dark card. It's by definition it

(44:57):
should have light but is light.Well yeah, and you know, i'd
have to go back to this episodeand say, like, if it's a
full moon or something, keepers ofthe Cloud will be right back. And

(45:20):
now we returned the Keepers of theCloud. There's moon, and then there's
I'm sure street lights and stuff.There's still shadows at night. Yeah,
it's like it has power that Itkind of makes sense that it's stronger at
night because there would just be alot more shadow than because if you technically
think about it, I guess thedark side of the Earth is in the

(45:42):
shadow of the other side of theEarth and it supposed to the sun by
that definition. I've never thought aboutit that way, but you know what,
by that reasoning, shadow is absolutelythe most powerful cloud card confirmed.
Okay, the entire half of theplanet is part of its body. I
mean, think about it. I'venever technically true. It's been like twenty

(46:05):
five years. I've liked this series. How have I never thought of that?
And half the moon so who knowswhat it's doing up there? Oh
wow, I have to rethink,like I've always loved shadow, but now
I have to rethink the power scalingentirely. Right, Okay, last interest,
I didn't mean to mess it upfor you, but now you have
something to play with, something towalk home with you. Yeah. He
Kiro says that if the students shadowswere struck by light, then they would

(46:30):
disappear. Well, if the studentsshadows were struck by light, they would
disappear. The crook and use hermagic to capture the shadow card alone,
but it won't be light up forhours, and then Madison is just like
on it and she's gone, whichis great for hours shacks that you think
leave it to me good? Yeah. The other excellent way that she has

(46:53):
a support characteristic she actually which iswhy I'm really disappointed, like that this
episode it isn't in the North Americanh the North American airing, there's a
lot of clips of particularly this actionsequence that are used in the advertising.
I remember that much like the clipof her taking a swing at shadow with

(47:13):
her with her want that. Yeah, that is an iconic shot that like
is in the ads. But thisepisode isn't it It's it's it kind of
sucks because it's like It's a goodintroductory episode for Madison and the but you
know, it was the it wasagain the the product of the series getting
u jumbled around the way it wasthat it would make really no sense to

(47:38):
start the series where they did withepisode seven and then go back to an
episode where Madison quote unquote doesn't knowabout the cloud cards unless what they did,
and they've done this before, butlike they would have had to like
really rewrite her her dialogue. That'swhat I was just thinking. I was
like, it could be done becauseI've seen you know, this era of

(48:00):
to may do crazy things, butit would have been a lot of dialogue
gymnastics and probably a lot of cuttingaround certain things. Oh yeah, they
would have had to cut like theentire the entire classroom scene where she shows
soccer of the video, Like theywould have had to cut that entirely,
and they already cut chunks out ofit. Yeah, I have it in

(48:21):
my notes. Like so the seriesvery inconsistent about like trying to either remove
some of the animus with the withthe expressions. So sometimes a weird,
wacky expression gets cut out and sometimesthey just leave it in, and they
did both in that same scene.Like they really just seem to kind of
pick and choose randomly what they wantto cut. It could have just been

(48:43):
I think the reason expressions might havebeen cut is if they're cutting for time,
and like a fraction of a reactionmoment is an easy thing to cut
without removing story. Does that makesense? So it could have even come
down to that. Yeah, it'sjust like it's really more of the consistency
of which ones which. But yeah, you have to cut down. Your

(49:05):
normal episode of anime is like twentytwo story minutes, whereas over here it's
like eighteen minutes. They got itcut stuff, they gotta get it somewhere.
Yeah, and to your point,by the way, I think because
I had originally only seen the NorthAmerican release, I remember that was when
I was a kid, and thenI watched the Japanese version of this show
one time all the way through incollege, and that's when I first saw
this episode with Madison, And nowthat we're watching it now, I'm kind

(49:29):
of remembering that. Like I didn'treally care for her that much as a
kid, but then when I sawthis one, I was like able to
see all the efforts she puts in, you know, what I mean,
like it kind of it without settingher up, her character is harder to
connect to. I think a littlemaybe maybe it would have just been my
age. I don't know, itcould be that. I can see that,

(49:50):
like I can see how the waythe series is presented in North America,
where Madison is just automatically there.You don't you never understand how she
came to be affiliated with Soccer.You never understand how she knows. She's
just she is, for whatever reason, the only character in the show who
is a normal person quote unquote whoknows what's going on, And due to

(50:14):
this episode being cut, you neverunderstand why she's just sort of there.
You don't. Yeah, you don'thave the context for why she's there,
so you don't necessarily get the contextof why she's important other than that she
is Soccera's friend and at some pointshe found out about the cloud cards.
And now that you're saying that,I'm remembering. Part of my issue was
I don't get why she's filming it. I don't get why like she knows

(50:34):
and all of this stuff. Idon't really quite understand what her role is
here. And this episode makes herrole extremely clear and it's like the whole
thing with her and the bodyguards isthis like this weird charming moment, you
know what I mean, and thewhole I don't know. There are just
little things like that that are extremelyimportant in character building. Let me introduce

(51:05):
you. These four ladies are mybodyguards. Nice to meet you. Oh
it is great, and you know, like and this is a this is
a really deep in the weeds thing. But like, uh so fan fiction
that was based purely on card captorsnever knew that Madison is rich, so

(51:27):
like, yeah, sometimes it didn'thappen often, but there were definitely fan
fictions where like Madison just lived ina in a standard towny house, just
like just a normal girl. It'slike, no, she's rich. You
just you didn't get any of thoseepisodes in the dub. It was it
was it wasn't available and sub thateasily. I don't think, no other
than the anamongos, uh, whichI talked about earlier. Uh Like,

(51:52):
if you and if you didn't readthose, you definitely never saw those.
And I'm not sure that those coveredevery single episode though I'm pre sure.
I'm pretty sure that one got inthere. But yeah, it was just
it was a weird thing. Uh, it was, but that makes me
extra glad that it's here and wecan highlight the importance of this episode in
and of itself, the fact thatit was cut kind of what that did

(52:14):
to the audience with her character ina way, and we can kind of
tie it all together on this episodehere for anyone who might want to know.
I guess yeah. And also Ijust want to gush about Maggie O'Hara
again. Who okay, I'm toget changed. What do you mean,
come on, you're going out tocapture a cloud card? Am I right?

(52:36):
Uh huh, Well then special occasionscalled for special outfit absolutely just captures
the enthusiasm of the character, soyou know she she absolutely like Yeah.
It's a very very different voice fromthe Japanese voice. It's a very different
direction. Where Tomoyo is very uhit is very princess o Joe style of

(53:00):
speech, it's very formal, whereasMadison is a Beverly Hills Valley girl.
But they both have exactly the samepersonality going on and both voices. Both
voices work, and to be honest, even now, when I read manga,
I still read Tomoyo with Madison's voice. I get, what do you

(53:22):
mean exactly? I still read sailorMoon with like I kind of go because
there's different versions of her voice thatI like in English, so I'll kind
of cycle through. But what wasthe voice actress's name again, she's a
Maggie Blue O'Hara, might have atthe reason. Yeah. Part of the
reason I think it actually hits sowell, though, is because her acting
ability vocally is extremely high, andthe way it can pick up on that

(53:45):
is she has a way of doingsomething with her vote the delivery of her
lines, like the intonation of themwhen she wants to sound thoughtful. It's
like I can just very distinctly hearher going like something like Dada Sakara.
It's like she has a very specificlilt to the way she delivers certain things,
and I think she was pretty consistentwith that throughout, and she does

(54:08):
a good job of delivering. Becausethere are some voice actors when they go
through it's kind of like, Idon't know if you're a musician or if
you know musical terms, but there'ssomething in music called dynamics, and that
is how loud or soft you're playingat any given time. And part of
a thing when you're teaching or whenyou're learning to like bring a song to
life, is the more dramatic yourdynamics are, like the bigger differences,

(54:30):
the more contrast you have, themore impactful they are. And that's what
she does with her performance. Ithink, yeah, i've I can I
can definitely agree she definitely she doesa good job. I think this was
one of her earlier roles. Shewas only sixteen when she was doing this.
Uh wow, Yeah, I lookedat I had to do a little
research on her because I thought sheand Carly McKillop, the voice of Soccero,

(54:52):
were at the same age, Like, uh no, Maggie o'harro is
like sixteen at this point, andCarly McKillop was eleven, so like young,
very to be delivering Yeah, thingslike that. Our two leads were
very, very new as far asI know, I don't I don't think
Maggie O'Hara was doing too much elsebefore this, But I could go back
and look at the I think afun episode for us to have at some

(55:14):
point for each of the characters wouldbe just like dedicated to each of the
voice actors. What else have theydone, and kind of going over their
career as a whole, finding like, you know, any interview clips we
can get that would be good.Some of them are definitely going to be
shorter than others. That's fine.I know that I know that Lee's actor
did Card Captors, and I don'tthink anything else. He might be hard

(55:35):
to Yeah, track anything down fromsome people, we might not be able
to. Maybe Huber, as faras I know, did not do any
more voice acting after that. Ithink maybe he did one other thing,
but that I'd love to know why. Maybe he didn't have like he just
didn't enjoy it. Yeah, maybeit wasn't for him anyway. So back
to the actual episode, I thinkI think we basically covered the entire episode.

(55:58):
At that point. We see herfighting with the because she hasn't actually
captured the card. She's fighting withthe shadows in the school, which are
throwing desks at her. Yeah,this is probably like, this is definitely
one of the most hostile cards,like because it's it's not only it's not
only like attacking her for real throwinglike desk setter in midair, but it's

(56:19):
smashing windows like it's called like propertydamn it. Uh, yeah, it
is like Shadow is probably one ofthe most aggressive cards, and I don't
know if that's just because the earlyepisodes allowed the cards to be more hostile,
like Watery in the next episode.Also, like the Watery tries to
kill someone, I'm like, andyou don't really see that much as the
series goes on. I think thecars kind of get gentler, despite you

(56:43):
know, one of them is literallymade a fire. It kind of makes
sense that the most hostile would bethe most like brambunctious. I guess so
they might reveal themselves the earliest justby being so aggressive in nature. Does
that make sense maybe? But thenagain, I am also remembering there is
literally a gun card. Basically that'slike, I mean, like, shot

(57:04):
isn't literally a gun, but it'sa it's a floating ball that shoots energy.
It's not the America card. I'mjust what it was like a Shadow
is probably one of the most aggressivecards, which is also fitting because honestly,
Shadow is one of the most powerfulcards. It's one of the most
It's one of the ones that sheactually uses a lot throughout the series,

(57:24):
comparatively, because a lot of cardslike get captured once and then put in
the deck and never pulled out again, or maybe they get pulled out once
for a really niche situation. ButShadow Shadow is probably one of her most
commonly used cards after Windy. Iremember it being used to Yeah, yeah,
I think it goes like I thinkit goes like fly Jump, Windy,

(57:45):
then Shadow, and I think shekind of uses wood a lot.
Yeah, that's that one's probably eithertied or slightly above Shadow. I'm glad
she uses that one a lot.I found. We'll get into that later
with the elements. But yeah,I what you said though about certain cards
getting sort of put away and neverused it always made me wish there was
more content because I want she hasall of these. I want to see

(58:07):
her actually like strategize and use themin like all kinds of different situations,
you know. Yeah, although oneof the that's also a thing that happened
in Car Captors thanks to that orI don't know, maybe it worked a
Car Captor's favor because it's like shewould just pull out cards all the time
that you know, we're from earlierepisodes that we never got So it's just

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like the Sakara had, like fromyour perspective. In Cardcaptors, Soakara always
has a bunch of extra cards thatwe've never heard of it. She's basically
from the viewers perspective, she's basicallyjust generating cards like spontaneously, even though
it's very much like, don't thinktoo much about it, guys, it's
fine, Yeah, exactly. It'sit's like, don't think about the fact
that there's you know, twenty episodesthat you didn't get. Yeah, yeah,

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it's such this shott such a disservicethe way that it was aired,
which is really it's not even thedubbing of it, it's the way that
it was put out. Yeah,Like, I mean, yeah, that's
what I want to make clear throughoutthe series that I actually think Carcaptors on
its own is actually very functional asa series. It just really got a
raw deal in the area. I'mgranted there's stuff that was cut we talked

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about earlier, the entire scene withUkito that's in this episode. It got
come. I'm pretty sure I gotcut for time, but it you know,
it was it got removed and stufflike that is the reason why carcapter
Soccer fans don't like carcap Yeah,which they It's like fair enough for sure.
I can see their points and whythey find certain things like that frustrating.

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But I've always been someone that's like, if I love something, I
just don't burn into any energy hatingon it. I don't get that,
you know, Like, I justfocused on the parts that I do love,
and the stuff that's not great,I can address it, but I'm
not going to let it ruin it. I just love hating things, but
it's so much the Car Captors isnot one of the things that I do
like, And yeah I am,I am very much a contrarian on so

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many things. But like or maybethat's exactly why I like Car gads everyone
else talking like it's I'm like,I do like it, but I actually
do like an ironical like car game. It also probably has something to do
at the time period when you sawit. There is nostalgia factor, but
yeah, you know, as Irewatch these, the show is still working
for me well, and it's nostalgiaworks in an interesting way where it's like,

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if you do have a nostalgic connectionto something, you're more willing to
pay closer attention to it when youconsume it and Therefore, you're going to
get a better or fuller experience thanfrom someone who's maybe not that interested or
just kind of watching it the firsttime later and is on their phone or
isn't fully engaged. Of course,they're not going to have a great,
amazing time. You know. I'vedefinitely gotten in trouble with that where it's

(01:00:43):
like I pick things apart too muchbecause I love them, But then it's
like, dude, you like,stop, you're ruining it. It's like,
no, I love it so much, I must find all of the
pieces inside of it. But Iget it. I also love everything.
Yeah, I also realize that sometimes, I mean, that's led me down
some dark pass with Clear Card,and I'm just like, mm, yeah,
I can see how this is aproblem. I actually don't know about

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any of that, so I'm interestedto hear that. Well. I have
an entire channel full of my thoughtson the manga that's on YouTube, so
you could go watch those, isit. Oh, Clear Card doesn't have
an anime. It does, It'sokay, it's just on hold currently.
Well, by the time we getthere, you know, with covering the
episodes, maybe it'll be by thetime we finished by the time we finished

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this, Clear Card will probably haveits entire anime out. Yeah, exactly.
The manga will be finishing soon,but the anime won't be happy for
a while. But the anime isactually a The anime is actually like one
to one translation, like it's it'sa modern. It's a modern okay,
So like there's nothing there's something crazygoing on. They didn't get any of
the card captors cast for it,which I'm very disappointed by, but I
understand that. I'm pretty sure CarlyMcKillop doesn't do voice acting anymore, so,

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like, you know, that's understandable. They did the same thing with
Sailor Moon and it was a bummerfor all of us too, but who
knows. I mean, there's alsothe whole idea of give new people a
chance and all of that, andI get it, so whatever. A
couple of wrap up thoughts on Shadow. I thought that it was cool how
Madison turning on the light exposed itsquote true form, which we said looks

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kind of like a grim Reaper,but without the scythe right yeah, or
the skullhead. It's just he's justa cloak. That's really all. Pretty
much, it's a cloak on ashadow which doesn't have anything else under it.
He reminds me in design though alittle bit of I think it's is
at the Time or the Sand card, it would be it would be Time
because Time also wears a robe.Time and Shadow are the only cards that

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are generally considered male. Like,the Time card is definitively you know,
it's a it's a it's an oldman. But Shadow is one of the
ones where like, so the thingabout all the all the cloak cards is
that all of them that have ahumanoid form, they're all female. Shadow
is the only one where you obviouslycan't tell because it's basically just a robe.
Yeah, and yet the fan basestill generally, at least that I

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have that I interact with, havealways referred to Shadow as a male card.
It's like the only one that's inthe manga that is considered a mail
card. I imagine it's the aggressivenature of it, combined with the fact
that because it is just a cloakon a shadow, there is actually no
like way to give it an effeminateyeah, it's feel unless they had an

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hourglass shape to it, you know. Yeah, And that's that I was
going to comment on that, becauselike when you look at shadows, when
you look at shadows profile, ithas a very it has the reverse triangle,
it has the very broad shoulders thatkind of narrow down at the waist,
and tiny feet like it is.It is very much from an artistic
standpoint, it is a male setupof a body shape. I see why

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people assume that. Also, I'massuming because it's true form is revealed,
it's now like a physical being,and that's why Windy can trap it.
Yeah, at that point, youyou've reduced it to effectively the same thing
that Windy is. It's it's downto it's raw spirit magic form at that
point, whereas before it was attackingjust with the non corporeal shadow. So

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was it fair enough to say thatmost of the cards need to be kind
of weakened in some way before theycan be captured. Generally speaking, the
cards have to either have their trueforms revealed because they don't always come out
looking as they do, or theyhave to otherwise be worn down. There
are some that are more willing tojust return to their forms on their own,

(01:04:30):
but yeah, generally speaking, it'san action series, so so yeah,
generally speaking, they have to fightthe cards and there's there are certain
ones though, like Loop, thatare kind of funny in the way that
they come together, So I'm excitedto get to those more strange ones.
I liked that when Shadow finally didgo down, the smoke was green.
I don't know, I just feltlike noting that. Oh yeah, yeah,

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it's detail. Yeah, it's kindof like a remnant of Windy.
Oh is that maybe that's why itwas. I think it's supposed to be
like Windy's magic, kind of dissipating. But yeah, it is kind of
a weird color. I'm not likefrom an artistic standpoint, I'm not exactly
sure why that is. Maybe justbecause like they're on the sports field and
it's kind of like, you know, brown tinted too dark that I don't

(01:05:12):
know's I do remember it being green, and I don't. I can't quite
explain why it's. I'm also slightlycolorblind, so if I have a reference
to color and I'm wrong, you'reprobably right. So there's that going on
too. But I had looked likekind of an emerald green to me,
with like sparkles in it or something, and I enjoyed that. And then
it wraps up again right at theend. This is very clearly a Madison
episode because it closes on her Yeah, watching the footage at the in the

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video room again and Sakura is allembarrassed, and she makes Sakura promise to
take her with whenever she captures cards, and I was like, yeah,
of course, wouldn't you. Keepersof the Cloud will be right back.

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And now we returned to Keepers ofthe Cloud. Promise me, you'll take
me with you whenever you capture cards. Okay, this is the most exciting
footage of ever videotaped, Sure,Madison, And from now on, I'm

(01:06:21):
in charge to get costumes too.Wait in City, you see the one
I designed for your next chapture.It's like, yeah, at this point
you have to do that just tokeep her quiet. Yeah, And then
she's also like, I'm in chargeof the costumes, like, which is
a little cute moment with her kindof declaring that, oh absolutely yeah.
It's like, you know, Soccermay have thought, like wait, costumes

(01:06:43):
plural, Like there's gonna be more. It's like like you're not gonna wear
the same thing every time, yeah, which is like one of the hallmarks
of the show. It's like notonly does soccer change, you know,
civilian clothes every episode, she changesbattle costumes every episode. Like that's like
the quintessential Card Captors thing is thatthere there there are so many costumes,
and it's one of the things thatI think would make if they ever put

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the money into developing a modern CardCaptors game properly really fun, would be
that kind of aspect of it becausethey could really play with that a lot.
I think I think it would.There's a lot of things about Card
Captors in my mind that translate tothe video game world really really well.
I don't know why it doesn't havemore. You know, I want a

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mix and match costume that can likethat would be fun. I'm sure there's
something out there. I know thereare older ones, but we should rate
the episode sure first Well, yeah, so I'm going to once again be
kind of uh, I'm gonna bekind of predictable in this one. Maybe
it's just because the first the firstepisode of the series are very strong.
This is another five for me.It's it's a good Like I already said,

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it's a great introduction to Madison's character. As we touched on, it
was absolutely necessary to really help audiencesconnect with the character because otherwise she's just
there without explanation. Yeah, Ihave to agree. I think this episode
is both incredibly important for the storybut also one that we missed very deeply

(01:08:12):
in the North American airing, andbecause it, like the void of it
is so strong, because it's sucha good and important episode, so I
have to give it five stars aswell. I mean, if I could,
I would even give it a bonusstar, not that they exist,
but I'm going to give it animaginary bonus star because I just had so
much fun with that moment with Madisonand her bodyguards and then getting to see

(01:08:35):
all of those costumes, and thatis a frame. If you're able to
watch this, it's worth pausing onthat spot to kind of take a second
and look through everything there, becauseyou'll miss it, you know, if
you just watched the episode. Ohyeah, absolutely, if you have the
if you have the art book,I think a shot of the inside of
the of the van is actually there. So yeah, but I've never really

(01:08:57):
seen I've never seen much of abreakdown of like the things in there,
and I think that's just because againit's mostly just filler costumes, like filler
clothing, so nothing was ever ReallyI love that stuff because I love to
imagine like what card could have gonewith that could have been, Yeah,
and imagining Tomoyo's sweatshop, that stuff, all of it just her at a

(01:09:19):
sewing machine. How much time doesshe have? Barely a lot, right,
but we do know that she makesthem when we see her making at
least one by half and she doesn'teven use a sewing machine. She stitches
it by a hand. That maybethat is what it is. There is
a Kiro's corner. It's just goingover the costume, Yeah, there is,
which I believe he's just talking aboutthe costume, Yeah, which we

(01:09:40):
definitely already talked about. Do youremember talking about like the hat and the
and like the tail things that arelike I'm pretty sure those are attached to
the hat, the cape. Thisis a costume that I like overall.
I do think in hindsight it's alittle weird the composition that it's like it's
a leotard and then like really tallsocks. I feel like if they were
going to redo this costume now thatthey probably would have made it like shorts

(01:10:03):
or something. Yeah, because likethe clamp have kind of I remember this
from the exhibition a few years ago. They actually had a design your own
Soccer costume thing u and one ofthe stipulations in the submission was that it
can't be a very revealing costume.And I would say that while while this
costume is by no means revealing,uh, in that context, you really

(01:10:27):
don't ever see soccer wearing costumes withthat, with that clothing shape an So
she's always wearing she's always wearing longerdresses, she's always wearing shorts, etcetera,
etcetera. So I think this isI think this is probably a costume
that probably wouldn't be made in thiscomposition today, despite that it's so iconic.
I think they would only allow thatif her character was older, you
know what I mean, Like ifit were, oh, we're continuing the

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show and now she's in her twentiesor something. Yeah, if they wanted
to do that direction. It's it'sit's kind of weird that like when she
was a younger character, they actuallyallowed her to show more skin than when
she is now in clear Card,where she's three years older, and then
they actually are more modest with welland we're seeing like kind of a reflection

(01:11:09):
of the time period shift a little. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's definitely
as much to do with there's beentwenty years between the original Card Captor Soccer
and you know, clear cards usshifted. And this is not the only
media made back then that you canlook at and see certain things like that
shifting. There are all kinds ofthings that were made back then in a

(01:11:31):
very similar way where you're like,I don't think I would allow that today,
for that child actor, do youknow what I mean? I don't
think I would allow them to castthat. Yeah, I'm pretty sure,
Like just to give a window intothe things I think about, I had
a weird thought where it's like,when exactly did anime stop drawing Buruma like
really short gym the really short gymshorts that girls in anime throughout the eighties

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and nights in Sailor Moons, shewears them. There are those gym shorts
that are basically just bikini bott Theywere a staple of eighties and nineties anime,
and I thought, I think aboutit recently, I'm like, they
don't wear those in anime anymore?When did that stop? Dude? They
pretty sure it was like the earlylike the early to mid aughts is when
they stopped. That might be true. Are those accurate to actual Japanese culture

(01:12:16):
though? Wasn't that what they woretypically? I read about this one's I
think they were very typical of theseventies and eighties, but they were kind
of being phased out by the ninetiesand the two thousands, and basically anime
was where they existed for a longIt kind of makes sense then, though,
because if you think about it,like the people who would have worn
that style of clothing as teenagers andyoung twenty year olds in that time period

(01:12:39):
were the ones drawing the anime inthe nineties, I don't think there were
too many male all that. Thatmight be true. Actually, I don't
know. I don't want to touchon that topic, but let's let's let's
be that's a very special special aboutwho the animators were. Although there actually
are a fair number of female animatorsthat were on that were on car Gap
Soccer, increasing the number of femalesin the room would definitely put more eyes

(01:13:02):
on things like that, because Ithink that is something for me personally,
as someone who is not into women, I do not notice things like that
at all. And it's so funnywhen people, like other people will point
them out to me, because it'slike it did not even cross my mind
for a second, you know whatI mean. But I get it though,
Well it's an animation thing. Butit's also like, I mean,

(01:13:25):
when you watch as much anime asI do, like you start to really
notice and think about things. Well, it's the sailor moon transformation thing.
When people are like, oh they'renaked, I literally forget that glowing that
technically, yeah, like I getit exactly, but I mean when they
brought it over, they airbrushed outcertain lines and crevices, you know,

(01:13:46):
because they were like, that's toosexual for that's too much, that's not
enough light. I'm surprised they didn'tlike put a giant like when Deeke did
it, like they put a giantlens flare or something for the whole thing.
Oh, that would have been sofunny. But yeah, so I
mean stuff like that. I guessI just don't notice the same way.
But I think I think it getsyour point. Is this this is called,

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by the way, the red andwhite battle costume. Isn't that what
he names it? I have alwaysI don't know actually what Hero calls these
costumes. Generally speaking, I generallyhave my own name for every costume,
and this one I've always simply calledthe shadow costume because I don't have a
better. Uh. I would actuallyhave to look, because I think Carcaptors
definitely does name some of them.The tops cards name some of them,

(01:14:35):
so I could look at it whilewe're talking about it. Yeah, the
socks and the leotards are really theywould have made that shorts. Yeah.
But also just esthetically, it's nota good like proportion. Yeah, it's
not a Yeah, I think Icommented on that earlier. It's a very
top heavy costume with the with thecape. Uh. That that's another reason
why the bottom sticks out more,is because there's so much there's so much

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going on up hop that the bottomfeels incredibly like like underdeveloped. Also,
the shoes are like weirdly by sneakery. I like her, I like her,
velcro, like her velcrow looking toddlersshoes like. I like them,
but they just I've never looked atthem this closely, and I'm like,
they look like new Balance. No, I think those I think those sneaker

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those kind of like blocky sneaker kindof shoes. They're common in a lot
of the costumes. I'm not sureif it's just like if that's just some
of the animators stuck with because becauseit was easy to draw. There's probably
a lot to that that it's justeasy to draw that. I like thinking
of it as more them put itbecause we said that Tomoyo or Madison is

(01:15:42):
in charge of them, and Ilike her putting the thought into it that
like, well, these are physicaltasks. So like if I'm putting her
in heels, oh yeah, likeshe barely ever wears heels. I think
she's wearing a lot of sneakers.I'm betting if anything, I imagine like
Tomoyo just bought a bunch of thoseshoes in bulk because she just modifies the
individual shoe. I'm sure she's gotso much like spray paint, fabric paint
and all that. Like and I'llkind of dies. I love this outfit.

(01:16:04):
It's the rain the want like thestar. Anyway, I'm look,
we can go hurt. Clothes areso cool they are that they're the best
thing about car Gabus soccer in general. And yeah, I will be happy
to talk about most of them likethere are maybe we should rate the clothes
separately from the episode. I mean, yeah, sure, why not we're
talking about the battle costumes. Yeah, because there's a different one each time,

(01:16:27):
I'll go first, and in whichcase I will definitely call this one
a three simply because again the compositionof it, like this is a very
iconic costume, but as we've discussed, the composition of it is two lopsided
at this point that I you know, I'd go with three and a half,
but I'll call it three and ahalf because it's not quite a four.
If it was a little more balanced, I think I would definitely give

(01:16:48):
it. I would definitely give itthat you know, four or five.
It's iconic, but not welcome used. Honestly, I think just because I'm
looking at it next to some ofthe other ones, I'm gonna give it
like a two and a half.It's not like it two feels harsh because
I do think it's well put together, but I think up against some of
the other ones, and then withsome of the proportion issues that it has

(01:17:10):
with these socks being really like ifyou if people want to look at it,
the reason the proportion is off isthat the socks come up all the
from the ankle all the way tothe mid thigh, and then there's this
like in real life what would belike four inches maybe or five inches and
for thigh length is it's it's allthe way up there. She's she's in

(01:17:30):
like the solid Z scale for Yeah. So what it kind of does if
you look at it closely is itmakes it look like she has like two
super short, teeny tiny little legs, you know what I mean. You
catch it from the wrong angle.So that's why I'm rating it a little
bit low. But yeah, twoand a half for me, five five

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plus an invisible bonus star for theactual episode though. Yeah, so it's
like great episode, mid tier costume. Yeah yeah, And we can go
back and break the first episode orthe first costume if you want. Well,
the first costume was just her pajamas. But you know, those are
nice pajamas. But like I'm notfive out of five, I mean great,
great pajamas. They look comfortable.The more you can do in your

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pajamas, the better. That's justa fact. So that's clearly a five
great, five out of five greatpajamas. Yeah, there you go.
Who doesn't want to be comfortable whilecapturing a cloud card. Yeah, it's
like pajamas, needpads and and therollerblades, right, yep, you have
those roller blades. Notably, nohelmet, no helmet safety Sakara. Come
on, all right, I thinkthat's it right, that is I think

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that's everything that could be said inthe second episode. Thank you for listening
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content not found in the podcast version. Just search Keepers of the Cloud on
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right here on the Keepers of theCloud podcast feed. Now, let's get
into it with Chris Mayek, cohost of Moonstar, a Sailor moon podcast,

(01:19:43):
and celebrity interviewer. So sure,we're going to do Oh yeah,
thank you, So let's do thatTHET card captors. The episode this week
was about shadow This is episode twotechnically, which was cut from the original.

(01:20:08):
It was dubbed, but it wasnot aired in North America, nor
was it put on any of theNorth American release videos or anything. Yeah,
what do you want to tell usabout this episode? I just think
it's a good It's a good case, especially in the days of hand drawn
anime, where because it's it canbe a known thing depending on the series,

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that the second episode for a serieswill have sometimes have a really like
not as much effort put into itproduction wise, visibly, because a lot
of it was put on the firstepisode to catch attention and whatever. And
I don't think in this case,the second episode of CCS has that going

(01:20:56):
on. I think that it's ayou know, it looks fine enough art
wise, and the plot is aplot's cool. Like the fact that there's
the mystery of the stacked desks andfurniture in the middle of the courtyard is
like a weird, random problem.And I like that it's the Shadow card
that's that It's that it's like thecause of the problem because it brings not

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that it's you know, intense oranything, but it brings a darker,
a darker sense to it. Iguess. Did you know that the shadow
card is considered one of the mostaggressive cards out of all of them?
I guess not, but that makessense. Yeah, and I like,
I agree with everything you were saying. We commented on the fact that the

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animation quality was still really high.Did you notice too that it sets up
the character of Tonio very well?Yeah, I know that. I know.
It's kind of like her introductory episode, so to speak, and that's
like, you know, they talkabout her finding out who Soccer is and
then becoming her, accompanying her andeverything from that point on. I've never

(01:22:02):
really been like the biggest fan ofher character for whatever reason, but I
don't dislike her or anything. Butyeah, that's fair. I never really
well I was saying this to Matton the show, but I never really
liked her that much as a kideither, because her role was sort of

(01:22:24):
unclear in my experience with this thefirst time, and until I saw this
episode where they really set her up. Well, you get that charming moment
with revealing that she's rich and hasthese bodyguards and stuff that just follow her
around while she just whatever is hilariousto me, and the way that it

(01:22:44):
kind of like made her make moresense and it helped me appreciate her a
lot more than I did before.So I'm kind of sad that they cut
it out because it's a great episodeand I don't I still don't understand why
they made a lot of the choicesthey did in the editing. What did
you think of the design for thecostume this week? It's a pretty I

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think it's like it's a well knownoutfit for her. That's one of the
more instantly recognizable ones. It is. We talked a little bit though about
how it's not necessarily the best.Matthew was saying that he thinks or he's
noticed the costumes get less and lessrevealing as you go forward in the show,

(01:23:26):
because that was like an intentional thingthat they did, and this one,
being like a leotard with high stockings, wouldn't have been done later.
And the one issue I had withit was, I don't know if you
noticed this, but with the proportionsof the stockings coming up to where they
do, it makes it look likeshe has teeny tiny little legs if you
look at it from certain angles,and then like because the stockings are so

(01:23:47):
dark, you know. Yeah,so there were just some proportion issues with
it, but overall it is oneof the most memorable outfits, and from
like the waist up it it looksextremely good. Is there anything else you
want to add about this? No? I guess not about this one.
All right, Well that's it forChris's corner. About this episode's shadow,

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I don't even remember it's episode two. I don't know the title off the
top of my head. But yeah, do you have a favorite card by
any chance? M I know,at least from a childhood standpoint. Probably
is because I was familiar with theepisode. Was a lightning card because I

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know that the personification of it isthis angry wolf thing. Oh okay,
that's cool. Are you connected towolves a lot? I mean I like
I do like them a lot.I think I was into them a lot
when I was younger too. Soyou were a wolf kid instead of a

(01:24:54):
dinosaur kid basically, yeah, Iwas never really in the dinosaurs. Yeah,
I was a dinosaur kid. Ihad a wolf kid friend, though
she wore a lot of the Idon't know if you ever saw these.
But there for a while there waslike these ted eye shirts that just had
a giant wolf face on it,like that was a big thing. Yeah,
she wore a lot of those.I think the the Twins card that's

(01:25:15):
fun too. Oh, I forgotthat was a card. That is a
good one, though, I say, I don't even remember most of them
my head. I always wanted herto use the flower card, and I
don't think she ever did maybe once. And the the I think it's the
light and dark cards are like reallythose are like really elegant looking they are.

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And also of the elements, Ithink wood is my favorite because I
didn't know. Yeah, but it'sa Chinese element, isn't it. It's
Chinese. I think wood and metal. I didn't know they were considered elements
in other cultures. I always thoughtthat was so interesting. I'm excited to
get more into it. All right, I guess that's where we'll stop today.
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