September 16, 2025 • 46 mins
www.LindaChinnMinistries.com Dr. Linda P. Chinn is a native of New London, CT who currently resides in Douglasville, GA. She fulfills her mission of uprooting and pulling down false belief systems in the lives of God's people to build them up by planting in them the incorruptible seed of the living Word through her various ministries. Dr. Chinn is an accomplished entrepreneur and the creator of Linda Chinn Ministries as well as the founder of Christian Women in Training Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Chen. This
is the podcast where real life choice is new Biblical
truth without the flock. Tune in every second and fourth
Monday at two pm and Eastern Standard Time as Doctor
Chen shares faith filled, practical insights to navigate everyday challenges.
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Get ready for real talk, real life and real answers.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to another episode
of Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Ten. I'm Audrebell,
current producer of the show. Had a few technical difficulties,
but it is not going to happen today. Had to
step out and step back in again.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Today's a great show. We got to return and guests.
It's not often we have return and guests. So this
must mean she made a real impression, not only on
Doctor Ten, but on all of you guys, because she
has brought her back and we're happy.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
To have her.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Today's topic is a hard pill to swallow. We have
had listened. I don't know about you all, but I
have had to swallow some of those once upon a
time in my life. So Doc further Ado, I'm bringing
to the stage doctor Linda Chon and doctor Alexis Leak
all right is bring them up and I'll be stepping backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ladies.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Good afternoon, ladies. How's everybody that welcome back doctor Leek.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
I'm great? How are you all?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Wonderful? Wonder Thank you having me great? Absolutely I knew
we would. And Audrey, we thank you so much for
that energetic introduction. And as always we're gonna ask Audrey
at the end what she thinking, what she got out
of this podcast. So thank you, Audrey. See in a
cup in a few minutes, sister, bless you, Thank you,
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doctor Lee, doctor Leak. Doctor Lee said, I'm so grateful. Listen,
I'm gonna tell people a little bit about you again.
You've been here before and I'm so grateful for your
yes again. But doctor Alexis Leak is she's a dedicated
pharmacist and she's got her Doctor of Pharmacy degree from
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South University School of Pharmacy, where she was a two
time Deedsless honoree and she graduated with high honors and
a high GP of three point five. She also holds
a bachelor's degree you are in chemistry from Valdosta State.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
She's originally from New York, raised.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Here in Georgia, and she and I have connections through connections,
through connections over the years. But one of the things
that I love about doctor Leek is that what you
see is what you get. That smile of hers, it's
real every time you see her. That's who she is.
And another thing that I know about her is that
she really really cares for the patients. And she's going
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out of her way financially, and she gives good advice
to people. And if you know what times we are
in now, not everybody is documented, and some people who
are not documented need medications, and she's got the compassion
of Jesus Christ, and she does it discretionally, with discretion.
So doctor Leak again, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you for having
me back.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I am so grateful to be back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, so this hard pill to swallow. This has been
bothering me, right, these things have been bothering me, and
I wanted you to come on and help us learn
and talk.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
About side effects of medications.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, I've been on some medications. I'm just gonna give
you a brief example, and we're gonna let you come
on and I've got some questions. But one of the
medications that I had to take for hypertension was am
loder pine and I can't remember the name of another
one she put me on, and I guess I should
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have thought about it. But these medications, the loaded pen
is one that caused my feet to swell.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, and I thought it was sugar.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I backed off the sugar and my feet still swell
and one point my foot swoll up so badly that
I couldn't get my shoe off.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Oh no, I.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Couldn't get it off. I had to lay down and
wait for it to go down.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So, you know, talk to us a little bit about
generally about the medications and their side effects. Before I
get into any of the questions, what do you want
to start out saying?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's kind of hard to talk about side effects. I mean,
there are there with every drug. It has a side effect,
that's just the case. But what happened to you might
not also happen to others. Everybody's body is completely different,
So trying to explain that yes, this could happen and
this actually will happen are like two different things. So
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I've explained this could potentially happen. It is the best
way I could get outside effects, because it's a potential
something to be aware of because some people like you said,
you thought the swelling was your sugar, But have your
doctor told you or your pharmacist told you that it's
a potential your foocus, Well you probably wasn't.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Went to the doctor sooner.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So I like that. I like that what can be
a side effect and what will be a side effect?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And when I called my doctor, she's so good. She
called me late that night and I told her what
was going on and she said, well, you know, I
don't know that that's I said, no, I got it
up right now. It is a side of that. She's
she's a good doctor, right, But all doctors don't know
all side effects of all medications. I mean, that's just honest.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And so.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
What are the most common side effects patients experience with
over the counter medications based on your experience?
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I feel like that's a loaded question, because again, what.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Happens to you won't potentially happen to somebody else. What
works for someone works for someone, it might not work
for you. You might receive the side effects on it,
like someone might be using nasal spray. After a nasal
spray after three days, you're really supposed to stop taking
it because it can cause a rebound effect of congestion.
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And people normally don't know that. But if you're doing
it daily and you've never experienced that, I can't tell you, hey,
stop now.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Like it works for you.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So it's kind of tough to say over the counter meds,
this is what you need to look out for with
this men, this is what you need to look out
for with this med It's really tough. I don't like
to tell people no, especially when I don't know their history.
I just know what's safer to go with. If I
don't know your history, Okay, okay, but I can't tell
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you that's going to be a side effect for you.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Okay, it does. It makes perfect sense.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So so how do you as a pharmacist and people
come back and say, you know what this or that
happened another thing? How do you as a pharmacist, how
are you able to explain or help them understand the
difference between a side effect or allergic reaction.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So, now, this one I definitely do with on a daily.
A lot of patients feel like they're allergic to medicine
because they experience a side effect and that's not the case. Like,
for example, every day antibiotic is a moxicillin. Everybody feels
like a maxcillin makes my stomach hurt, I'm allergic to it,
and it's like no, Actually, a side effect of a
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moxicillin is your stomach hurting the higher the dose. That's
why they ask you to eat before you take it,
so your stomach doesn't hurt as much. But unfortunately, that's
a side effect that's very, very common with a moxicillin.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So people will try to tell me I'm allergic to.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It because my stomach hurts, and it's like, you're not allergic,
you're just having a side effect of it. Allergic is
like I'm breaking out in hives, I can't breathe. I
really need to go to the doctor and get this off.
That's an allergic reaction. That's things that we take more
seriously and we put in your chart to make sure
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you never have again, because allergic reactions can definitely get
worse over time.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So so you have charge for patients the pharmacies, the
pharmacists have charged for patients.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, you have a whole profile. I can see what
you were taking over the past. Well, at least my
place of work keeps it for at least three years,
so I can see what you were taking for the
past three years to know, oh, you did.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Do this before.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You never reported to me that it was a problem,
so that's why they assumed and gave it to you. Again, Like,
if you don't tell somebody, it's never going to be
charted anywhere that you ever said anything.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So are your charge your patient charge?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Are they linked to the physician's charge or is your
separate It's separate.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I never knew my pharmacists had a chart.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm just not unecessarily a chart where I'm like, oh,
I got your labs.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I just have all your medications.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I can that's good. Yeah, that's good to know.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So I hope you all are listening realize that your
pomisies has a list of the medications you take.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I did not know that, so thank you. Granted.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
I don't know. Prescriptions expire after a year. I'm still here.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, prescriptions expire after a year. So even though I
can see it, I can't do anything with it.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
I could just tell you you did do this before.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Excellent. That's still good information for us. That's good. So
can supplements.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
You know, vitamins caused problems when taking alongside medications.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I definitely think so.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Some people feel like or see things online like, oh,
vitamin B twelve can give you energy. Well, if you
never went to your doctor and got your labs, vitamin
B twelve could also be really bad for you.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Your body could be making too much vitamin B twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So you're just taking vitamins because you see that they
could potentially be good for you, but you don't really
know if it's good for you. And then also some
people take vitamins and don't report it to the doctor. Well,
some vitamins interact with medications, so you don't say I'm
taking this on the regular. Well, you could be decreasing
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the medicine that you're taking and now you're just taking
it for kind of no reason.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
You're just taking them placebo effect.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now see, that's good again, that's good.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
So we can be in the midst of company, in
the midst of people who we know are very intelligent people,
people we admire, people we kind of like what they say.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
We know they're well read, who will say, yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know every day, you know, I make sure I
take calcium, and so now somebody goes and takes calcium,
Well I didn't. I don't do that, but I found
out when I did my last lap, I.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Had too much calcium.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Right, So it's not smart to just go take a
vitamin people.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, because someone says it's good.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
All black ladies, all black women need fish oil, and
you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, exactly, a multi vitamin, Okay. They it's normally not
harmful for you because they.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Don't give you as much.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It's just one more small pills that you take a
day to keep your levels even out. But I also
encourage people to also go get your labs done. Like'll
never know unless you get labs done telling you how
your levels are even are awesome?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Awesome?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Listen, Thank you Renee and Shamika, Richard and Darlene for
joining us today throwing a question if you've got a question,
and so again we appreciate your joining us. So, Doctor Lee,
between the pharmacist and the doctor, who would you say
gets the most questions about medicine side effects?
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I'm gonna assume the doctor because.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I don't really get questions about side effects.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
And I don't discredit doctors.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
They definitely know what drugs you're supposed to take to
treat what things, because that comes with being a doctor.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
But I mean a pharmacist.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I really went in school strictly for drugs, so I
might know a little bit more about what the drugs
actually do to your body. Granted, I can't diagnose you.
I just know what the doctor said here it makes
sense that you're taking this, or what the doctor said here,
it makes zero sense why he gave you that and
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take it or don't take it, and things like that,
so I think I would kind of know and then
side effects. It's kind of tough too. Because I'm a
retail pharmacist. I know more about drugs that people get outpatient,
so once you leave the hospital. Clinical pharmacists they're the
ones in the hospital, so infusion and things like that.
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IVY compatibility, yeah, I learned that for my test and
I never had to look at it again. So if
you ask me, I'm probably going to tell you give
me a minute so I could look.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
At it again because I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But if you ask me an outpatient question, I will
probably know the answer to.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
It's awesome. That's another thing I didn't know. Welcome, thanks
for joining us. Let's live Christian family and pastor Michelle Johnson,
thank you listen. I didn't know that there was the
clinical pharmacists and the retail pharmacists.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
See there's a lot we don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, there's a lot more pharmacists than that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
There are people like you have a cardiologist, there's a
cardiologist pharmacist. There's people who just strictly specialize in things
because I mean special cases happen, infectious disease pharmacists happened too,
like where people study strictly new things like COVID and
stuff like that. So it's really all types of pharmacists.
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So when a pharmacist says, oh, I don't know that,
it's like it might just not be in there.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
But every pharmacist I know is.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Very capable of looking up that information and knowing right
off the bat, like what something means.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Because interesting, very very interesting. So I remember having a
foot sort of years ago and talking to the doctor
about a medication. It was the anesthesia, and I guess
I wasn't given enough because I started feeling that drill right,
and that drilling stuff and so the doctor doesn't necessarily
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administer the medications.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's the pharmacists so far.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Surgery, no, that's an anesthesiologist. They have a whole special zone.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
They're their own doctor as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like when you go under surgery and things like that,
they're monitoring your levels. They know how much you need
and how much you don't. Well, at least they're supposed to.
I don't know how, but at that time, that's a
whole different domain. A pharmacist, however, might be the one
giving them the drugs, but they're the one that understands
the monitoring parameters and things like that. So I know
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what I might be like telling them to give you,
but I don't know at all how to handle you,
manage you, take care of you.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
I just know what I'm giving you, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Know that's supposed to put you to sleep, and I
know what's supposed to happen, but I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So do pharmacists in your case or retail pharmacists, do
you have the legal obligation or the right to warn
of the volatility of a side effect of multiple medications?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So we are legally obligated to counsel patients and say
that things are bad or good, So like, for instance,
oxycodone or hydro codone, and see the metaphane people get
that for pain after surgeries. All the time, I have
to legally counsel you to tell you that this is
potentially addictive. It could potentially cause overdose if you take
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too much, like telling you the side effects.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Of what could happen.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I have to do that, and then if I don't,
I could get in trouble legally as well for not
saying that. You could sue me. It could be a
whole plethora of things. So I definitely have to counsel.
But some drugs that aren't harming, that have improved not
to be harming, I don't have to necessarily counsel.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
So if I say or ask.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You do you have any questions and you tell me no,
I don't have to tell you anything else.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
There's nothing to say.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Okay. Interesting. So we have a question from Darlene.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Welcome Darlene, Dorothy Ursula and welcome, And so Darlene has
a question. I received a pain a prescription from a
doctor with no refills. I called from refill but was
denied given whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Instead, you can see what that is y.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I then asked my doctor for the pain prescription, and
he said he couldn't give it to me because the
other doctor already prescribed it.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How can the other doctor be al to give it
to me? Does the original doctor have to discontinue with
the pharmacy? Do you have the capacity to answer that question?
Was that something she needs to call the doctor about?
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
So that's also another thing.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Patients always think they need to call their doctor for
every small thing.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You do not need to call.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Your doctor to ask them for refills.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Nine times out of ten they probably already sent that in,
but miss Darling for pain medicine.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
But probably a narcotic.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Legally, narcotics cannot have refills at all, so when a
doctor sends it in, it's always going to say zero refills.
You need to legally go back to your doctor, see
them again, explain your pain for them to say, yes,
you need another refill. Nine times out of ten you
calling in saying I'm experiencing pain. I don't want to
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call you an addict, but it comes across as an addict.
And then doctors experience addicts a lot, so and they
call a lot that's normally what they do. If they
can't get in touch with you by getting appointm they're
going to keep calling and keep calling.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Till they get what they want.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So when people keep calling, it's like, no, we'll give
you an alternative. Methaprignozolone is a steroid that helps anti inflammatories,
so it's supposed to help with pain also, So that's
why he gave you that. Because it's not a narcotic,
it will be safer. You wouldn't be addicted to the
feeling of the help the pain helping you because it's
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really just numbing the pain. It's not particularly fixing the
problem of the pain. So a lot of doctors don't
like to keep continuing patients on that because that's how
you get addicted, and that's how problems start. If the
pain is that bad, you go to a pain managed
clinic where there's a doctor that physically gives you prescriptions
every month to make sure your pain is treated.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Thank you, great question, Great question, Darlne. Thank you so much.
We're grateful. So I have drug seekers, So I have
another question for you. So, are there any medicaids you
find patients are consistently surprised by in terms of their
side effects.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I will say in the Black community, one that surprises
people a lot is I'm trying to say it could
in a way people can understand, is a hypertension medicine
like Life CENTERPRIL.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I feel like people know Life Centerpril a big one.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It's very beneficial for the African American community. It helps
blood pressure and it can also help protect your kidneys.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
So it's really really good.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But also the biggest side effect in life SINERPROL in
the African American community is angio edema. And angioedema is
basically like the swelling of your throat, your mouth, things
like that, and when you experience that, it's a no go,
like you need to stop taking it immediately because it
could come too much damage and too much harm and
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don't ever take it again. That's an allergic reaction, and
that's the one that we stop each time. And if
you can't take lots of pearl, you can't take something
else called like low starting.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
That's another common one. People. Yeah, that's the way we
work the same in the same class.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So if you're alertic to one, we know nine times
and ten you're alertic to another.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
But risk versus benefit.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We also just know in the African American community that's
the most beneficial. So that's the one they're always gonna
put you on first.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Okay, I have a question about and I know you
know you, I know you know this. Let me grab
it and hand it up before. So what are black
box warnings and why are they called that?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So black box warnings is the most serious risk that
could happen in a medicine that you want to be
alerted about, like immediately when it happens to you.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
For instinct.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Trying to think of a common one that people don't
know about, but it's not a common drug. There's not
many drugs that have black box warnings. Now why is
it called black box warning? I don't know, but it
sounds scary, so it makes you want to pay attention
if you ask me, Like when I hear black box warning,
I want to pay attention to it. So I think
a common one that people sometimes get is monte lucas
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are singular. It can help with allergies, it can help
with asthma.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Doctors give it to you.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
However, the black box warning for it is suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
So that means you're.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Already experiencing sadness and depression and not wanting to be
on this earth. It's going to increase it times ten
and bad things could happen. And so especially in the
African American community, don't tell their doctor that they're sad
or going through things. So if you don't tell the
doctor that you've already been feeling sadness and not wanting
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to be here and he gives.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You that it increase, this is it. And then now
we're explaining things.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
That had a bad case that we didn't know because
we don't talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yes, yes, well, welcome Meredith Olive, Margaret Peg, Welcome Arica.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
We're glad you joined us today.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
So I have seen a little black box warning on
my mom's medications years ago, some medications that she gave
her that gave her for pain when she was suffering
from cancer, and it was a narcotic, if you will,
and I lost the prescription and the doctor thought I
was lying, and so it's hard. So let me tell
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you if you are having if you've taken those pain
medications for cancer or something, you do want to keep
type those prescriptions, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Especially the pain meds because they're addicting. In the black
box warning for those is respiratory depression. And really what
that means is just shallow breathing, like you're not getting
enough oxygen. And that's normally when people are saying, hell,
they're not breathing because they're overdosing, and then they need Narcan.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
To reverse it. Mexican.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So I have been looking at a lot of different medications.
This is where all of this this podcast topic std
from hard pill to swallow as I've been watching television.
I had a chance to watch television a little bit lately,
and I, you know, they have these commercials about medications
and they tell you about the medications and then they
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tell you about the side effects. I'm laughing, but it
is not funny. It is scary as the dickens. Where
so I shouldn't name the their medication?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Should I? Should I name the medications?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And okay, So, like I saw some of the effects
of uh what is it Ingreza? Right, that's taken for
those movements where people have those uncontrollable movements, right, And
it said some of the side of some of the
side effects was part Arkinson's disease, muscle stiffness and slow
speech and things like that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Even medication is why some people take for depression can
cause suicidal thoughts and my concern. I became concerned about
it because I thought, are people reading the mice print
I call it, or these the long.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sheets that come within medication. I have a feeling, doctor Lee,
that many of us are not reading those that information.
What's your take on that?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So legally they have to tell you all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So you go through clinical trials, you figure out everything
that could potentially happen to a person, so they legally
have to tell you that this could happen. Now, I
also feel like as a doctor, risks versus benefit because again,
side effects are potentials. It's not the end all be all.
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What happens to you might not happen to someone else.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Saying you take it and you're like, I'm fine, everything
out great.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
This medicine has been working for me for years, and
you recommend it to your friend. They get Parkinson's, they
get every single thing that happened to them, and you're like, what,
I swear by it.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
That's because your body is different from theirs.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I can never say I mean, I can say some drugs, ooh,
they got so many side effects that's kind of bad.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
I would try to.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Stay away from that. But then at the same time,
some people don't have a choice. It's like, you've tried
everything else, Yeah, we have to try this to.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Make it work for you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So it's like, yeah, although side effects they sound so horrible,
but in your case it really might work out and
you really might not experience any of that at all.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I've been talking to someone who's had that experience with
a medication where nothing worked for her and she ended
up having to take holistic things that work for her.
So I thank you for keep pointing that out. Erschla
McCleary has a question, Can you sign up or be
approved by pain management clinic prior to a major surgery
that has history of bad pain afterwards?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, because a lot of people who go or sign
up for you don't even sign up for a pain clinic.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You are normally referred to by a doctor. Like let's
say you've.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Been going to.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I don't know a narrow doctor that works on your
brain and you're getting pay meds a lot from him.
He might just say, like I can't keep managing this,
and so he'll refer you to a pain clinic. A
lot of time, surgery doctors give you pain med because
surgery causes pain, like you were harming your body, the
piercing into your skin, your organs like it hurts, So
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they're giving you enough to last you what they think
the pain should last, Like I think your pain should
last the week, So I'm giving you a seven days
apply of the pain bad.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
But also doctors don't just.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Give you a high narcotic of pain without giving you
something else, Like they will give you a narcotic that
way last five days, but they're also going to give
you ibuprofen and prescribe tilan al, so you could switch
out with that. So if your pain is at a ten,
you take that narcotic, But if your pain is at
a five, you don't need to take that narcotic. You
take that ibuprofen and you just deal with the pain.
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You should be weaning off the pain. The pain should
not last long, and if it does last long, that's
when things move towards pain management clinics. This won't get
you addicted if you're not taking it for a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I love that I love it.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
So when we read about the side effects of medication,
does most of that information come from the doctor or
form from the pharmacists as having been reported to you
by patients?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So well, she said, pay management after my husband's surgery
was horrific, and getting enough meds was always a struggle.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Also, seeing a lot of doctors does not help getting
pain prescriptions per se.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I do hate that because it's like they refer you
to different people, and different people will try to give
you different payments to help you. But I'll say, in
a pharmacist standpoint, filling narcotics and seeing you have different
doctors giving you prescriptions is a red flag in our world,
and it's like hold up. And then, for instance, if
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your pharmacy doesn't have it, you're gonna travel around to
different pharmacies.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Another red flag. You were just at Walmart? Why are
you at publics?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
We didn't know that publics didn't have your pain prescription.
We're just going off of what we see because these
things are monitored, and people don't understand that. We can
see how much you're getting and how often you get it.
If you're getting it early, you're getting it later. We
can see all that, So it does play a part.
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Unfortunately too and too many red flags make people say no,
and we have the right to say no.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Wow. Yeah, is it shared? Are the records? Are the
medication the history? Is it shared amongst different pharmacies?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
There is a website for doctors strictly, there's no one
that could really get on that's not a doctor.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
You do have to have the credentials to do it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That shows narcotics, and it's across America. So I could
see if you went to Wyoming and got a paying
prescription last week because you hit your hip, and then
you all the way back in Georgia trying to tell
me no, that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Like, I could see that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So it's like, well, if you didn't do it, then
somebody did and now we have to investigate and now
you really.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Can't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So it's like, but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It is monitored, especially for I'll just say for narcotics
specifically and control substances.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
That's monitored.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Awesome. I'm loving it.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
You're really educating us today and I'm grateful, grateful, grateful, grateful,
and still I encourage and doctor Leek encourage you when
you get that paper with your medication.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Read it, read it, read it, read it.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Don't just tear it up and throw it in the trash.
And you know, it's important. You need to know the
possible side effects. And I say that because because we
don't often read it, we could possibly experience something and think,
you know, it came from out of space and where
it Maybe it is a side effect of the medication.
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So if you read it so that you'll be informed.
But this is something that I don't expect you to
really comment on, doctor Leek, but I did want to
share with our audience today. So about two three years ago,
some friends and we went to Nashville and we went
to this bootstore. We bought these cowboy boots and leather
boots and so forth.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Why had this pair But it was in the summertime.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
So I had this pair that I didn't wear till
you know, the season, the appropriate season.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And when I opened the box, there was a tag
that said.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
These boots are made or consistent material that have possibly
caused cancer.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's been reported in the state of California. I looked
at luggage.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
When you buy that plastic luggage, everybody, I'm just telling you,
when you buy luggage, whether it's at Marshall's, Walmart, whatever
it is. People buy the plastic luggage because we think
it's more durable, you know, as they throw it on
and off whatever they on the belt. But you look
at those tags I bought. I looked at some chairs,
some leather chairs that are made of by cast Leather.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Right, California reported some cancer causing you know, properties in it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And so.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm just saying, be aware.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Read the tags, read the paperwork, read, read, read, and
I see Darlene has another question. We'll get back to
that after you answer Darlene's questions.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Dark the League.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Okay, doctors prescribe a lot of medications. Do they get
some kind of kickback for prescriptions pickups? I'm gonna say
yes and no, because drug reps do get money from
patients getting prescriptions. Honestly, So a lot of drugs in
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the beginning, when they first hit the market, they do
go to doctors' offices because doctors are allowed to hire
drug reps and that's how they're able to get samples
and things like that. So they'll try to put patients
on that prescription to essentially get money from it or
not even sometimes it helps in like case studies for
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us to understand side effects. They'll put patients on that's
why they'll give you samples and they'll monitor you closely, like, oh, yeah,
you need to come get labs.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I'm gonna put you on this that you've never heard of.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But then you go to your local pharmacy and it's
like a thousand bucks because it's probably a little experimental
or pretty new that insurance is saying absolutely not, I
will not cover that something cheaper that she could get.
So yes and no, I mean some doctors don't go
for it, and some doctors do it.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Okay, So I want to make sure we're answering her
question and we're seeing it. Because she says doctors prescribe
the medications a lot. Do they get the kickback? So
is it the sales rep or the doctor or the pharmacies?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
It's both.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The farmers doesn't get anything. Well, depending on what pharmacy.
There's independent pharmacies. People own their own pharmacies. They have
more range to do what they I won't say what
they want, but they have more range to do things
than a corporate pharmacy. Like I'm in a corporate one,
so I go by their rules. I can't just order
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off any website and get any drugs. They will restrict
me from doing so. So it's like a doctor's office.
A lot of times they own their own practices.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
They have.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I won't say free range, but I mean within a
certain window legally you can do things.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Boosh you interesting?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
So what do you think about those tags that I
was telling you about? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I mean, again, legally, you have to say the risk,
like I have to say the risk for everything now
because people deserve to know. Now.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Do people read it nine times out of ten?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
But I also don't think it's something you should freak
out over each and every single time. Because some people
things and think it's going to happen to them all
the time, and it's like, well that's not the case.
I've seen several cases where people have done this for years,
or get the plastic luggage and they're fine. But I mean,
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it's a risk, So everything happens.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's just good to be informed. It's good to be informed.
Read Read read read read dontal liek. Do you think
side effects are underreported by patients?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I do think so because some things will get written off.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Like it's no big deal.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And then some things are a big deal and they
don't realize it's a big deal. Like, for instance, I'll
say bleeding well or stomach hurting, So I've beprofit. That's
something over the counter all the time. People will take
it for pain, like, oh, I have back pain, I'll.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Take a couple. I'll take a couple, and they'll do
it like every two hours.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, that's obsessive and they don't know that it could
call a stomach ulcers.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Like you taking it way too much. That's not good
for you.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So it's like that's a side effect that's like bad,
but that's also a side effect that happens when.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You take it too much too.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's not good because it's over the counter and you
could just buy it.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
It's good because it works when you need it, not
all the time.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Got it? Got it? So, are there any specific drug
combinations that you're especially cautious about due to their synergistic side.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Effects that that's a tough question because there's so many drugs.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Like I can't say there's a common drug combination.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That it's like that is scary that your doctor did
this to you because nine times out of ten, there's
a reason the doctor did that specific combination. And it's
like some drugs work on one part of your body
and you need another drug to help.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
We work on the other part of your.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Body, and it's like, h even though the side effect
it would be terrible if it happened. Risk versus benefit
like sometimes like we're gonna do it, and we're gonna
monitor you and hope that the outcome is good and
if it's not, then let's start again. And unfortunately that's
like the gamble.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You do have to play.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Risk versus benefit. We gotta remember that.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So Michelle Johnson has a question, how do you feel
about brand drugs versus name brand?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Is there a big difference? If not, what makes them different?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
This is the question I get all the time. Really yeah,
because there really is no difference. The big difference is
the name you're paying for. Exactly, Thailand All is the
same exact thing as a Ceda menafit, but a Cena
metaphine just sounds different.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
It sounds good in a doctor's office.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It makes you think I'm getting luxury, so it's like okay,
But then if I tell you, yeah, actually your insurance
isn't gonna cover that because he gave you tailand all,
and people get so shocked. What that's all he gave
you is just Thailand all. Like it's over the counter,
it's five bucks. There is no difference. Now certain things
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insurance will cover. So it's like, okay, actually, I mean
I'm gonna get that here and I'm not gonna get
it back there, like that clothing ac jail. That clothing
ac jail is just over the Karen voltairean jail, same percent,
same everything. People will be so shock every time, and
I'm like, you can get that over the counter.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
It's actually easier.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Because I'm going to charge you more even though I
don't tax you, I'm going to charge you more. Over
the counter. You could get it and you can also
use your health spending's card and it's still cheaper. So
it's like, there is no big difference besides a name
you're paying for now.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I also say preference.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I like Allegra, but Affectsofinitine is the generic name.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I don't want to take that one. That's mean, but preference,
but no difference.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Wow, We're almost out of time. I cannot believe it.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm so grateful for everyone who joined us today with
their questions. And I also want you to pat yourself
on the back of pluge yourself for joining in and
asking the questions that a lot of people really want
to know. Come on, Audrey, because I know you've got
some stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Thank you all great.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For this has been so informative and educational. Thank you
so much for just sharing like all of this great
information with people, because you know, people have a lot
of questions about prescriptions and medications. So one of my
thoughts was, I recently became a part of a company
who they do. They manufacture supplements with adaptogens and nanotechnologies
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and things like this. So when it comes to people
who are just definitely afraid even though the doctor has
prescribed to medication, they come to you and they say, listen,
I really hate taking medication. Because I'm sure you hear
that a lot. Do they ever ask you, you know,
what can I take that's not a medication, that's a
you know, a supplement And how do you handle that?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I mean, there are supplements that help, but I won't
necessarily say that they will work as effectively as prescription drugs.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
Like if you're pre diabetic.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I am all for supplements, changing diet, healthy install things
like that, because I mean that can be changed.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Certain things can be changed. Your blood russure.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You can get that regulator and you can get that
under control without having to take medications. But that comes
with lifestyle changes. You can't just think you could take
a supplement and it'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Like you have to.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Also put in the work in your life to be
okay to just take supplements. And if you don't want
to put the work in your life, then I'm going
to tell you every time your best bet is to
go to that doctor and get that prescription drug because
it's not working and I hate it. And of course
we don't want to put drugs in your body. I
never want to encourage people to put drugs in their
body and alter their body, but sometimes it helps you
(40:45):
live longer, and we want you to live long. So
again risk versus benefit. Do you want to change your
life or do you want to get this drug? Like
kind of like that and over the countermedicines I supplements
I recommend, and then some I'm like, there's just not
any information, so you're taking this blindly. Basically you're a
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part of a case study right now.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
They put it with the ABA, but they don't have
to report everything. So I want me to know is
it good for you?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I have no idea because there's not enough information out there,
and I know where to look to find good information.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
It's just not and they don't have to report that.
They don't want to. Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, one of my friends is pre diabetic and she said,
I'm not taking anything. I'm about to change my diet,
about to change everything.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
That's what she did.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That she's doing really well. So I can't wait to
see what her what her numbers is going to look
like once once she has gone back to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
All right, we got one more question. Do we have
time to take it? Audrey? You got it?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You got two minutes.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Okay. What happens when your medication changes?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
In appearance from Meredith Firell, the size of the pill
is smaller than it had been.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Hang Nana.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
So basically you just change manufacturers. There's people different companies
that make different drugs, same exact drug. It's just they
want there's to look a certain way, feel a certain way.
Some people are more comfortable taking smaller pills, so they're
purposely trying to make it smaller, or they like the shape.
That's just how their company is, that's their staple. They
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always do triangles or and another company always does circles,
and they always make it green. It's it really is
just the company. It's nothing wrong with the drug. It's
the company making manufacturing. And so sometimes we tell patients
that because some patients will get like, oh, they gave
me something completely different.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
I didn't get prescribed this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Or like some patients are like, oh, this is just
the same thing, and I'm like, yeah it is, and
they're like.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Okay, cool, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
Eat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Believe that got one last question for you. Is there
a place for the regular everyday consumer to go to
to kind of you know, I know, when they get
the prescription that has a lot of information here and
we throw it in the trash, like doctor Tenn said,
it just goes right in the trash. Nobody pays any attention.
But is there a place for them to go to
find out about all of the different medications in one location,
(43:10):
one central location that they may be taken.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Unfortunately, I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I literally had a class just on research, because you
really do have to research a lot to get accurate information.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
So no, and unfortunately also public doesn't have a lot
of that.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I won't say they don't have the access to get
into that information as well. Like you have to be
a doctor, you have to have the credentials to see
certain reports, see certain research products. So it's like I
won't say yes to that, but there's also places you
could go to find it.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You just have to find it. Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Before Audrey takes us home, what improvements would you like
to see in the pharmaceutical world, doctor Leco, I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Going to give you the last word.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I would just say being more out in the community,
being more informative with people just about everything. Day to
day lifestyle can really change you from having to even
take medications from us even having these types of issues.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
But also sometimes.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
People have to take medications and they just refuse and
it's like, but the medication will save your life.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
So I'm an advocate for both.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I just want a long lifestyle for everybody and it
can be healthy, but that also comes.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
With putting in the work for it.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Put in the work. People got to put in the work.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Listen, guys, we hope you enjoyed this episode. That is
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moving forward, you have a better way to make informed
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something about m lodepine that I did not know, and
I take m loadepine. I'm like, what, wait a minute,
I'm one of those people who don't like doing Google research.
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of Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Ten. I'm Audrebell,
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but it is not going to happen today. Had to
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Today's a great show. We got to return and guests.
It's not often we have return and guests. So this
must mean she made a real impression, not only on
Doctor Ten, but on all of you guys, because she
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
To have her.
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Today's topic is a hard pill to swallow. We have
had listened. I don't know about you all, but I
have had to swallow some of those once upon a
time in my life. So Doc further Ado, I'm bringing
to the stage doctor Linda Chon and doctor Alexis Leak
all right is bring them up and I'll be stepping backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ladies.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Good afternoon, ladies. How's everybody that welcome back doctor Leek.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
I'm great? How are you all?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Wonderful? Wonder Thank you having me great? Absolutely I knew
we would. And Audrey, we thank you so much for
that energetic introduction. And as always we're gonna ask Audrey
at the end what she thinking, what she got out
of this podcast. So thank you, Audrey. See in a
cup in a few minutes, sister, bless you, Thank you,
(01:50):
doctor Lee, doctor Leak. Doctor Lee said, I'm so grateful. Listen,
I'm gonna tell people a little bit about you again.
You've been here before and I'm so grateful for your
yes again. But doctor Alexis Leak is she's a dedicated
pharmacist and she's got her Doctor of Pharmacy degree from
(02:12):
South University School of Pharmacy, where she was a two
time Deedsless honoree and she graduated with high honors and
a high GP of three point five. She also holds
a bachelor's degree you are in chemistry from Valdosta State.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
She's originally from New York, raised.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Here in Georgia, and she and I have connections through connections,
through connections over the years. But one of the things
that I love about doctor Leek is that what you
see is what you get. That smile of hers, it's
real every time you see her. That's who she is.
And another thing that I know about her is that
she really really cares for the patients. And she's going
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out of her way financially, and she gives good advice
to people. And if you know what times we are
in now, not everybody is documented, and some people who
are not documented need medications, and she's got the compassion
of Jesus Christ, and she does it discretionally, with discretion.
So doctor Leak again, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you for having
me back.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I am so grateful to be back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, so this hard pill to swallow. This has been
bothering me, right, these things have been bothering me, and
I wanted you to come on and help us learn
and talk.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
About side effects of medications.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, I've been on some medications. I'm just gonna give
you a brief example, and we're gonna let you come
on and I've got some questions. But one of the
medications that I had to take for hypertension was am
loder pine and I can't remember the name of another
one she put me on, and I guess I should
(03:56):
have thought about it. But these medications, the loaded pen
is one that caused my feet to swell.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, and I thought it was sugar.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I backed off the sugar and my feet still swell
and one point my foot swoll up so badly that
I couldn't get my shoe off.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Oh no, I.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Couldn't get it off. I had to lay down and
wait for it to go down.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So, you know, talk to us a little bit about
generally about the medications and their side effects. Before I
get into any of the questions, what do you want
to start out saying?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's kind of hard to talk about side effects. I mean,
there are there with every drug. It has a side effect,
that's just the case. But what happened to you might
not also happen to others. Everybody's body is completely different,
So trying to explain that yes, this could happen and
this actually will happen are like two different things. So
(04:53):
I've explained this could potentially happen. It is the best
way I could get outside effects, because it's a potential
something to be aware of because some people like you said,
you thought the swelling was your sugar, But have your
doctor told you or your pharmacist told you that it's
a potential your foocus, Well you probably wasn't.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Went to the doctor sooner.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So I like that. I like that what can be
a side effect and what will be a side effect?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And when I called my doctor, she's so good. She
called me late that night and I told her what
was going on and she said, well, you know, I
don't know that that's I said, no, I got it
up right now. It is a side of that. She's
she's a good doctor, right, But all doctors don't know
all side effects of all medications. I mean, that's just honest.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And so.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
What are the most common side effects patients experience with
over the counter medications based on your experience?
Speaker 6 (05:51):
I feel like that's a loaded question, because again, what.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Happens to you won't potentially happen to somebody else. What
works for someone works for someone, it might not work
for you. You might receive the side effects on it,
like someone might be using nasal spray. After a nasal
spray after three days, you're really supposed to stop taking
it because it can cause a rebound effect of congestion.
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And people normally don't know that. But if you're doing
it daily and you've never experienced that, I can't tell you, hey,
stop now.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Like it works for you.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So it's kind of tough to say over the counter meds,
this is what you need to look out for with
this men, this is what you need to look out
for with this med It's really tough. I don't like
to tell people no, especially when I don't know their history.
I just know what's safer to go with. If I
don't know your history, Okay, okay, but I can't tell
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you that's going to be a side effect for you.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Okay, it does. It makes perfect sense.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So so how do you as a pharmacist and people
come back and say, you know what this or that
happened another thing? How do you as a pharmacist, how
are you able to explain or help them understand the
difference between a side effect or allergic reaction.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So, now, this one I definitely do with on a daily.
A lot of patients feel like they're allergic to medicine
because they experience a side effect and that's not the case. Like,
for example, every day antibiotic is a moxicillin. Everybody feels
like a maxcillin makes my stomach hurt, I'm allergic to it,
and it's like no, Actually, a side effect of a
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moxicillin is your stomach hurting the higher the dose. That's
why they ask you to eat before you take it,
so your stomach doesn't hurt as much. But unfortunately, that's
a side effect that's very, very common with a moxicillin.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So people will try to tell me I'm allergic to.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It because my stomach hurts, and it's like, you're not allergic,
you're just having a side effect of it. Allergic is
like I'm breaking out in hives, I can't breathe. I
really need to go to the doctor and get this off.
That's an allergic reaction. That's things that we take more
seriously and we put in your chart to make sure
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you never have again, because allergic reactions can definitely get
worse over time.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So so you have charge for patients the pharmacies, the
pharmacists have charged for patients.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, you have a whole profile. I can see what
you were taking over the past. Well, at least my
place of work keeps it for at least three years,
so I can see what you were taking for the
past three years to know, oh, you did.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Do this before.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You never reported to me that it was a problem,
so that's why they assumed and gave it to you. Again, Like,
if you don't tell somebody, it's never going to be
charted anywhere that you ever said anything.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So are your charge your patient charge?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Are they linked to the physician's charge or is your
separate It's separate.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I never knew my pharmacists had a chart.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm just not unecessarily a chart where I'm like, oh,
I got your labs.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I just have all your medications.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I can that's good. Yeah, that's good to know.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So I hope you all are listening realize that your
pomisies has a list of the medications you take.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I did not know that, so thank you. Granted.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
I don't know. Prescriptions expire after a year. I'm still here.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, prescriptions expire after a year. So even though I
can see it, I can't do anything with it.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
I could just tell you you did do this before.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Excellent. That's still good information for us. That's good. So
can supplements.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
You know, vitamins caused problems when taking alongside medications.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I definitely think so.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Some people feel like or see things online like, oh,
vitamin B twelve can give you energy. Well, if you
never went to your doctor and got your labs, vitamin
B twelve could also be really bad for you.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Your body could be making too much vitamin B twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So you're just taking vitamins because you see that they
could potentially be good for you, but you don't really
know if it's good for you. And then also some
people take vitamins and don't report it to the doctor. Well,
some vitamins interact with medications, so you don't say I'm
taking this on the regular. Well, you could be decreasing
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the medicine that you're taking and now you're just taking
it for kind of no reason.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
You're just taking them placebo effect.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now see, that's good again, that's good.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
So we can be in the midst of company, in
the midst of people who we know are very intelligent people,
people we admire, people we kind of like what they say.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
We know they're well read, who will say, yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know every day, you know, I make sure I
take calcium, and so now somebody goes and takes calcium,
Well I didn't. I don't do that, but I found
out when I did my last lap, I.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Had too much calcium.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Right, So it's not smart to just go take a
vitamin people.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, because someone says it's good.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
All black ladies, all black women need fish oil, and
you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, exactly, a multi vitamin, Okay. They it's normally not
harmful for you because they.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Don't give you as much.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It's just one more small pills that you take a
day to keep your levels even out. But I also
encourage people to also go get your labs done. Like'll
never know unless you get labs done telling you how
your levels are even are awesome?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Awesome?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Listen, Thank you Renee and Shamika, Richard and Darlene for
joining us today throwing a question if you've got a question,
and so again we appreciate your joining us. So, Doctor Lee,
between the pharmacist and the doctor, who would you say
gets the most questions about medicine side effects?
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I'm gonna assume the doctor because.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I don't really get questions about side effects.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
And I don't discredit doctors.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
They definitely know what drugs you're supposed to take to
treat what things, because that comes with being a doctor.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
But I mean a pharmacist.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I really went in school strictly for drugs, so I
might know a little bit more about what the drugs
actually do to your body. Granted, I can't diagnose you.
I just know what the doctor said here it makes
sense that you're taking this, or what the doctor said here,
it makes zero sense why he gave you that and
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take it or don't take it, and things like that,
so I think I would kind of know and then
side effects. It's kind of tough too. Because I'm a
retail pharmacist. I know more about drugs that people get outpatient,
so once you leave the hospital. Clinical pharmacists they're the
ones in the hospital, so infusion and things like that.
(13:01):
IVY compatibility, yeah, I learned that for my test and
I never had to look at it again. So if
you ask me, I'm probably going to tell you give
me a minute so I could look.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
At it again because I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But if you ask me an outpatient question, I will
probably know the answer to.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
It's awesome. That's another thing I didn't know. Welcome, thanks
for joining us. Let's live Christian family and pastor Michelle Johnson,
thank you listen. I didn't know that there was the
clinical pharmacists and the retail pharmacists.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
See there's a lot we don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, there's a lot more pharmacists than that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
There are people like you have a cardiologist, there's a
cardiologist pharmacist. There's people who just strictly specialize in things
because I mean special cases happen, infectious disease pharmacists happened too,
like where people study strictly new things like COVID and
stuff like that. So it's really all types of pharmacists.
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So when a pharmacist says, oh, I don't know that,
it's like it might just not be in there.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
But every pharmacist I know is.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Very capable of looking up that information and knowing right
off the bat, like what something means.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Because interesting, very very interesting. So I remember having a
foot sort of years ago and talking to the doctor
about a medication. It was the anesthesia, and I guess
I wasn't given enough because I started feeling that drill right,
and that drilling stuff and so the doctor doesn't necessarily
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administer the medications.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's the pharmacists so far.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Surgery, no, that's an anesthesiologist. They have a whole special zone.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
They're their own doctor as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like when you go under surgery and things like that,
they're monitoring your levels. They know how much you need
and how much you don't. Well, at least they're supposed to.
I don't know how, but at that time, that's a
whole different domain. A pharmacist, however, might be the one
giving them the drugs, but they're the one that understands
the monitoring parameters and things like that. So I know
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what I might be like telling them to give you,
but I don't know at all how to handle you,
manage you, take care of you.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
I just know what I'm giving you, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Know that's supposed to put you to sleep, and I
know what's supposed to happen, but I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So do pharmacists in your case or retail pharmacists, do
you have the legal obligation or the right to warn
of the volatility of a side effect of multiple medications?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So we are legally obligated to counsel patients and say
that things are bad or good, So like, for instance,
oxycodone or hydro codone, and see the metaphane people get
that for pain after surgeries. All the time, I have
to legally counsel you to tell you that this is
potentially addictive. It could potentially cause overdose if you take
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too much, like telling you the side effects.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Of what could happen.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I have to do that, and then if I don't,
I could get in trouble legally as well for not
saying that. You could sue me. It could be a
whole plethora of things. So I definitely have to counsel.
But some drugs that aren't harming, that have improved not
to be harming, I don't have to necessarily counsel.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
So if I say or ask.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You do you have any questions and you tell me no,
I don't have to tell you anything else.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
There's nothing to say.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Okay. Interesting. So we have a question from Darlene.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Welcome Darlene, Dorothy Ursula and welcome, And so Darlene has
a question. I received a pain a prescription from a
doctor with no refills. I called from refill but was
denied given whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Instead, you can see what that is y.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I then asked my doctor for the pain prescription, and
he said he couldn't give it to me because the
other doctor already prescribed it.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How can the other doctor be al to give it
to me? Does the original doctor have to discontinue with
the pharmacy? Do you have the capacity to answer that question?
Was that something she needs to call the doctor about?
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
So that's also another thing.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Patients always think they need to call their doctor for
every small thing.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You do not need to call.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Your doctor to ask them for refills.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Nine times out of ten they probably already sent that in,
but miss Darling for pain medicine.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
But probably a narcotic.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Legally, narcotics cannot have refills at all, so when a
doctor sends it in, it's always going to say zero refills.
You need to legally go back to your doctor, see
them again, explain your pain for them to say, yes,
you need another refill. Nine times out of ten you
calling in saying I'm experiencing pain. I don't want to
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call you an addict, but it comes across as an addict.
And then doctors experience addicts a lot, so and they
call a lot that's normally what they do. If they
can't get in touch with you by getting appointm they're
going to keep calling and keep calling.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Till they get what they want.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So when people keep calling, it's like, no, we'll give
you an alternative. Methaprignozolone is a steroid that helps anti inflammatories,
so it's supposed to help with pain also, So that's
why he gave you that. Because it's not a narcotic,
it will be safer. You wouldn't be addicted to the
feeling of the help the pain helping you because it's
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really just numbing the pain. It's not particularly fixing the
problem of the pain. So a lot of doctors don't
like to keep continuing patients on that because that's how
you get addicted, and that's how problems start. If the
pain is that bad, you go to a pain managed
clinic where there's a doctor that physically gives you prescriptions
every month to make sure your pain is treated.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Thank you, great question, Great question, Darlne. Thank you so much.
We're grateful. So I have drug seekers, So I have
another question for you. So, are there any medicaids you
find patients are consistently surprised by in terms of their
side effects.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I will say in the Black community, one that surprises
people a lot is I'm trying to say it could
in a way people can understand, is a hypertension medicine
like Life CENTERPRIL.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I feel like people know Life Centerpril a big one.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It's very beneficial for the African American community. It helps
blood pressure and it can also help protect your kidneys.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
So it's really really good.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But also the biggest side effect in life SINERPROL in
the African American community is angio edema. And angioedema is
basically like the swelling of your throat, your mouth, things
like that, and when you experience that, it's a no go,
like you need to stop taking it immediately because it
could come too much damage and too much harm and
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don't ever take it again. That's an allergic reaction, and
that's the one that we stop each time. And if
you can't take lots of pearl, you can't take something
else called like low starting.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
That's another common one. People. Yeah, that's the way we
work the same in the same class.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So if you're alertic to one, we know nine times
and ten you're alertic to another.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
But risk versus benefit.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We also just know in the African American community that's
the most beneficial. So that's the one they're always gonna
put you on first.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Okay, I have a question about and I know you
know you, I know you know this. Let me grab
it and hand it up before. So what are black
box warnings and why are they called that?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So black box warnings is the most serious risk that
could happen in a medicine that you want to be
alerted about, like immediately when it happens to you.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
For instinct.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Trying to think of a common one that people don't
know about, but it's not a common drug. There's not
many drugs that have black box warnings. Now why is
it called black box warning? I don't know, but it
sounds scary, so it makes you want to pay attention
if you ask me, Like when I hear black box warning,
I want to pay attention to it. So I think
a common one that people sometimes get is monte lucas
(21:24):
are singular. It can help with allergies, it can help
with asthma.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Doctors give it to you.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
However, the black box warning for it is suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
So that means you're.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Already experiencing sadness and depression and not wanting to be
on this earth. It's going to increase it times ten
and bad things could happen. And so especially in the
African American community, don't tell their doctor that they're sad
or going through things. So if you don't tell the
doctor that you've already been feeling sadness and not wanting
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to be here and he gives.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You that it increase, this is it. And then now
we're explaining things.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
That had a bad case that we didn't know because
we don't talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yes, yes, well, welcome Meredith Olive, Margaret Peg, Welcome Arica.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
We're glad you joined us today.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
So I have seen a little black box warning on
my mom's medications years ago, some medications that she gave
her that gave her for pain when she was suffering
from cancer, and it was a narcotic, if you will,
and I lost the prescription and the doctor thought I
was lying, and so it's hard. So let me tell
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you if you are having if you've taken those pain
medications for cancer or something, you do want to keep
type those prescriptions, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Especially the pain meds because they're addicting. In the black
box warning for those is respiratory depression. And really what
that means is just shallow breathing, like you're not getting
enough oxygen. And that's normally when people are saying, hell,
they're not breathing because they're overdosing, and then they need Narcan.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
To reverse it. Mexican.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So I have been looking at a lot of different medications.
This is where all of this this podcast topic std
from hard pill to swallow as I've been watching television.
I had a chance to watch television a little bit lately,
and I, you know, they have these commercials about medications
and they tell you about the medications and then they
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tell you about the side effects. I'm laughing, but it
is not funny. It is scary as the dickens. Where
so I shouldn't name the their medication?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Should I? Should I name the medications?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And okay, So, like I saw some of the effects
of uh what is it Ingreza? Right, that's taken for
those movements where people have those uncontrollable movements, right, And
it said some of the side of some of the
side effects was part Arkinson's disease, muscle stiffness and slow
speech and things like that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Even medication is why some people take for depression can
cause suicidal thoughts and my concern. I became concerned about
it because I thought, are people reading the mice print
I call it, or these the long.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sheets that come within medication. I have a feeling, doctor Lee,
that many of us are not reading those that information.
What's your take on that?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So legally they have to tell you all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So you go through clinical trials, you figure out everything
that could potentially happen to a person, so they legally
have to tell you that this could happen. Now, I
also feel like as a doctor, risks versus benefit because again,
side effects are potentials. It's not the end all be all.
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What happens to you might not happen to someone else.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Saying you take it and you're like, I'm fine, everything
out great.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
This medicine has been working for me for years, and
you recommend it to your friend. They get Parkinson's, they
get every single thing that happened to them, and you're like, what,
I swear by it.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
That's because your body is different from theirs.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I can never say I mean, I can say some drugs, ooh,
they got so many side effects that's kind of bad.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
I would try to.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Stay away from that. But then at the same time,
some people don't have a choice. It's like, you've tried
everything else, Yeah, we have to try this to.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Make it work for you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So it's like, yeah, although side effects they sound so horrible,
but in your case it really might work out and
you really might not experience any of that at all.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I've been talking to someone who's had that experience with
a medication where nothing worked for her and she ended
up having to take holistic things that work for her.
So I thank you for keep pointing that out. Erschla
McCleary has a question, Can you sign up or be
approved by pain management clinic prior to a major surgery
that has history of bad pain afterwards?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, because a lot of people who go or sign
up for you don't even sign up for a pain clinic.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You are normally referred to by a doctor. Like let's
say you've.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Been going to.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I don't know a narrow doctor that works on your
brain and you're getting pay meds a lot from him.
He might just say, like I can't keep managing this,
and so he'll refer you to a pain clinic. A
lot of time, surgery doctors give you pain med because
surgery causes pain, like you were harming your body, the
piercing into your skin, your organs like it hurts, So
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they're giving you enough to last you what they think
the pain should last, Like I think your pain should
last the week, So I'm giving you a seven days
apply of the pain bad.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
But also doctors don't just.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Give you a high narcotic of pain without giving you
something else, Like they will give you a narcotic that
way last five days, but they're also going to give
you ibuprofen and prescribe tilan al, so you could switch
out with that. So if your pain is at a ten,
you take that narcotic, But if your pain is at
a five, you don't need to take that narcotic. You
take that ibuprofen and you just deal with the pain.
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You should be weaning off the pain. The pain should
not last long, and if it does last long, that's
when things move towards pain management clinics. This won't get
you addicted if you're not taking it for a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I love that I love it.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
So when we read about the side effects of medication,
does most of that information come from the doctor or
form from the pharmacists as having been reported to you
by patients?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So well, she said, pay management after my husband's surgery
was horrific, and getting enough meds was always a struggle.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Also, seeing a lot of doctors does not help getting
pain prescriptions per se.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I do hate that because it's like they refer you
to different people, and different people will try to give
you different payments to help you. But I'll say, in
a pharmacist standpoint, filling narcotics and seeing you have different
doctors giving you prescriptions is a red flag in our world,
and it's like hold up. And then, for instance, if
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your pharmacy doesn't have it, you're gonna travel around to
different pharmacies.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Another red flag. You were just at Walmart? Why are
you at publics?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
We didn't know that publics didn't have your pain prescription.
We're just going off of what we see because these
things are monitored, and people don't understand that. We can
see how much you're getting and how often you get it.
If you're getting it early, you're getting it later. We
can see all that, So it does play a part.
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Unfortunately too and too many red flags make people say no,
and we have the right to say no.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Wow. Yeah, is it shared? Are the records? Are the
medication the history? Is it shared amongst different pharmacies?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
There is a website for doctors strictly, there's no one
that could really get on that's not a doctor.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
You do have to have the credentials to do it.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That shows narcotics, and it's across America. So I could
see if you went to Wyoming and got a paying
prescription last week because you hit your hip, and then
you all the way back in Georgia trying to tell
me no, that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Like, I could see that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So it's like, well, if you didn't do it, then
somebody did and now we have to investigate and now
you really.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Can't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So it's like, but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It is monitored, especially for I'll just say for narcotics
specifically and control substances.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
That's monitored.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Awesome. I'm loving it.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
You're really educating us today and I'm grateful, grateful, grateful, grateful,
and still I encourage and doctor Leek encourage you when
you get that paper with your medication.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Read it, read it, read it, read it.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Don't just tear it up and throw it in the trash.
And you know, it's important. You need to know the
possible side effects. And I say that because because we
don't often read it, we could possibly experience something and think,
you know, it came from out of space and where
it Maybe it is a side effect of the medication.
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So if you read it so that you'll be informed.
But this is something that I don't expect you to
really comment on, doctor Leek, but I did want to
share with our audience today. So about two three years ago,
some friends and we went to Nashville and we went
to this bootstore. We bought these cowboy boots and leather
boots and so forth.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Why had this pair But it was in the summertime.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
So I had this pair that I didn't wear till
you know, the season, the appropriate season.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And when I opened the box, there was a tag
that said.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
These boots are made or consistent material that have possibly
caused cancer.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's been reported in the state of California. I looked
at luggage.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
When you buy that plastic luggage, everybody, I'm just telling you,
when you buy luggage, whether it's at Marshall's, Walmart, whatever
it is. People buy the plastic luggage because we think
it's more durable, you know, as they throw it on
and off whatever they on the belt. But you look
at those tags I bought. I looked at some chairs,
some leather chairs that are made of by cast Leather.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Right, California reported some cancer causing you know, properties in it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And so.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm just saying, be aware.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Read the tags, read the paperwork, read, read, read, and
I see Darlene has another question. We'll get back to
that after you answer Darlene's questions.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Dark the League.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Okay, doctors prescribe a lot of medications. Do they get
some kind of kickback for prescriptions pickups? I'm gonna say
yes and no, because drug reps do get money from
patients getting prescriptions. Honestly, So a lot of drugs in
(32:18):
the beginning, when they first hit the market, they do
go to doctors' offices because doctors are allowed to hire
drug reps and that's how they're able to get samples
and things like that. So they'll try to put patients
on that prescription to essentially get money from it or
not even sometimes it helps in like case studies for
(32:40):
us to understand side effects. They'll put patients on that's
why they'll give you samples and they'll monitor you closely, like, oh, yeah,
you need to come get labs.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I'm gonna put you on this that you've never heard of.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But then you go to your local pharmacy and it's
like a thousand bucks because it's probably a little experimental
or pretty new that insurance is saying absolutely not, I
will not cover that something cheaper that she could get.
So yes and no, I mean some doctors don't go
for it, and some doctors do it.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Okay, So I want to make sure we're answering her
question and we're seeing it. Because she says doctors prescribe
the medications a lot. Do they get the kickback? So
is it the sales rep or the doctor or the pharmacies?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
It's both.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The farmers doesn't get anything. Well, depending on what pharmacy.
There's independent pharmacies. People own their own pharmacies. They have
more range to do what they I won't say what
they want, but they have more range to do things
than a corporate pharmacy. Like I'm in a corporate one,
so I go by their rules. I can't just order
(33:44):
off any website and get any drugs. They will restrict
me from doing so. So it's like a doctor's office.
A lot of times they own their own practices.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
They have.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I won't say free range, but I mean within a
certain window legally you can do things.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Boosh you interesting?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
So what do you think about those tags that I
was telling you about? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I mean, again, legally, you have to say the risk,
like I have to say the risk for everything now
because people deserve to know. Now.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Do people read it nine times out of ten?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
But I also don't think it's something you should freak
out over each and every single time. Because some people
things and think it's going to happen to them all
the time, and it's like, well that's not the case.
I've seen several cases where people have done this for years,
or get the plastic luggage and they're fine. But I mean,
(34:46):
it's a risk, So everything happens.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's just good to be informed. It's good to be informed.
Read Read read read read dontal liek. Do you think
side effects are underreported by patients?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I do think so because some things will get written off.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Like it's no big deal.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And then some things are a big deal and they
don't realize it's a big deal. Like, for instance, I'll
say bleeding well or stomach hurting, So I've beprofit. That's
something over the counter all the time. People will take
it for pain, like, oh, I have back pain, I'll.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Take a couple. I'll take a couple, and they'll do
it like every two hours.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, that's obsessive and they don't know that it could
call a stomach ulcers.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Like you taking it way too much. That's not good
for you.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So it's like that's a side effect that's like bad,
but that's also a side effect that happens when.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You take it too much too.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's not good because it's over the counter and you
could just buy it.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
It's good because it works when you need it, not
all the time.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Got it? Got it? So, are there any specific drug
combinations that you're especially cautious about due to their synergistic side.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Effects that that's a tough question because there's so many drugs.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Like I can't say there's a common drug combination.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That it's like that is scary that your doctor did
this to you because nine times out of ten, there's
a reason the doctor did that specific combination. And it's
like some drugs work on one part of your body
and you need another drug to help.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
We work on the other part of your.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Body, and it's like, h even though the side effect
it would be terrible if it happened. Risk versus benefit
like sometimes like we're gonna do it, and we're gonna
monitor you and hope that the outcome is good and
if it's not, then let's start again. And unfortunately that's
like the gamble.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You do have to play.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Risk versus benefit. We gotta remember that.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So Michelle Johnson has a question, how do you feel
about brand drugs versus name brand?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Is there a big difference? If not, what makes them different?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
This is the question I get all the time. Really yeah,
because there really is no difference. The big difference is
the name you're paying for. Exactly, Thailand All is the
same exact thing as a Ceda menafit, but a Cena
metaphine just sounds different.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
It sounds good in a doctor's office.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It makes you think I'm getting luxury, so it's like okay,
But then if I tell you, yeah, actually your insurance
isn't gonna cover that because he gave you tailand all,
and people get so shocked. What that's all he gave
you is just Thailand all. Like it's over the counter,
it's five bucks. There is no difference. Now certain things
(37:43):
insurance will cover. So it's like, okay, actually, I mean
I'm gonna get that here and I'm not gonna get
it back there, like that clothing ac jail. That clothing
ac jail is just over the Karen voltairean jail, same percent,
same everything. People will be so shock every time, and
I'm like, you can get that over the counter.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
It's actually easier.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Because I'm going to charge you more even though I
don't tax you, I'm going to charge you more. Over
the counter. You could get it and you can also
use your health spending's card and it's still cheaper. So
it's like, there is no big difference besides a name
you're paying for now.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I also say preference.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I like Allegra, but Affectsofinitine is the generic name.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I don't want to take that one. That's mean, but preference,
but no difference.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Wow, We're almost out of time. I cannot believe it.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm so grateful for everyone who joined us today with
their questions. And I also want you to pat yourself
on the back of pluge yourself for joining in and
asking the questions that a lot of people really want
to know. Come on, Audrey, because I know you've got
some stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Thank you all great.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For this has been so informative and educational. Thank you
so much for just sharing like all of this great
information with people, because you know, people have a lot
of questions about prescriptions and medications. So one of my
thoughts was, I recently became a part of a company
who they do. They manufacture supplements with adaptogens and nanotechnologies
(39:25):
and things like this. So when it comes to people
who are just definitely afraid even though the doctor has
prescribed to medication, they come to you and they say, listen,
I really hate taking medication. Because I'm sure you hear
that a lot. Do they ever ask you, you know,
what can I take that's not a medication, that's a
you know, a supplement And how do you handle that?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I mean, there are supplements that help, but I won't
necessarily say that they will work as effectively as prescription drugs.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
Like if you're pre diabetic.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I am all for supplements, changing diet, healthy install things
like that, because I mean that can be changed.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Certain things can be changed. Your blood russure.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You can get that regulator and you can get that
under control without having to take medications. But that comes
with lifestyle changes. You can't just think you could take
a supplement and it'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Like you have to.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Also put in the work in your life to be
okay to just take supplements. And if you don't want
to put the work in your life, then I'm going
to tell you every time your best bet is to
go to that doctor and get that prescription drug because
it's not working and I hate it. And of course
we don't want to put drugs in your body. I
never want to encourage people to put drugs in their
body and alter their body, but sometimes it helps you
(40:45):
live longer, and we want you to live long. So
again risk versus benefit. Do you want to change your
life or do you want to get this drug? Like
kind of like that and over the countermedicines I supplements
I recommend, and then some I'm like, there's just not
any information, so you're taking this blindly. Basically you're a
(41:07):
part of a case study right now.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
They put it with the ABA, but they don't have
to report everything. So I want me to know is
it good for you?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I have no idea because there's not enough information out there,
and I know where to look to find good information.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
It's just not and they don't have to report that.
They don't want to. Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, one of my friends is pre diabetic and she said,
I'm not taking anything. I'm about to change my diet,
about to change everything.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
That's what she did.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That she's doing really well. So I can't wait to
see what her what her numbers is going to look
like once once she has gone back to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
All right, we got one more question. Do we have
time to take it? Audrey? You got it?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You got two minutes.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Okay. What happens when your medication changes?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
In appearance from Meredith Firell, the size of the pill
is smaller than it had been.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Hang Nana.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
So basically you just change manufacturers. There's people different companies
that make different drugs, same exact drug. It's just they
want there's to look a certain way, feel a certain way.
Some people are more comfortable taking smaller pills, so they're
purposely trying to make it smaller, or they like the shape.
That's just how their company is, that's their staple. They
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always do triangles or and another company always does circles,
and they always make it green. It's it really is
just the company. It's nothing wrong with the drug. It's
the company making manufacturing. And so sometimes we tell patients
that because some patients will get like, oh, they gave
me something completely different.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
I didn't get prescribed this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Or like some patients are like, oh, this is just
the same thing, and I'm like, yeah it is, and
they're like.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Okay, cool, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
Eat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Believe that got one last question for you. Is there
a place for the regular everyday consumer to go to
to kind of you know, I know, when they get
the prescription that has a lot of information here and
we throw it in the trash, like doctor Tenn said,
it just goes right in the trash. Nobody pays any attention.
But is there a place for them to go to
find out about all of the different medications in one location,
(43:10):
one central location that they may be taken.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Unfortunately, I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I literally had a class just on research, because you
really do have to research a lot to get accurate information.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
So no, and unfortunately also public doesn't have a lot
of that.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I won't say they don't have the access to get
into that information as well. Like you have to be
a doctor, you have to have the credentials to see
certain reports, see certain research products. So it's like I
won't say yes to that, but there's also places you
could go to find it.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You just have to find it. Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Before Audrey takes us home, what improvements would you like
to see in the pharmaceutical world, doctor Leco, I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Going to give you the last word.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I would just say being more out in the community,
being more informative with people just about everything. Day to
day lifestyle can really change you from having to even
take medications from us even having these types of issues.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
But also sometimes.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
People have to take medications and they just refuse and
it's like, but the medication will save your life.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
So I'm an advocate for both.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I just want a long lifestyle for everybody and it
can be healthy, but that also comes.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
With putting in the work for it.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Put in the work. People got to put in the work.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Listen, guys, we hope you enjoyed this episode. That is
always a great guest with great information. We hope that
she help you answer some questions that you may have had. Now,
moving forward, you have a better way to make informed
decisions about your own health. I do. Doctor Chen said
something about m lodepine that I did not know, and
I take m loadepine. I'm like, what, wait a minute,
I'm one of those people who don't like doing Google research.
(45:01):
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you doctor ten for always bringing us some amazing, amazing guests.
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