March 3, 2025 • 50 mins
Dr. Linda P. Chinn is a native of New London, CT who currently resides in Douglasville, GA. She fulfills her mission of uprooting and pulling down false belief systems in the lives of God's people to build them up by planting in them the incorruptible seed of the living Word through her various ministries. Dr. Chinn is an accomplished entrepreneur and the creator of Linda Chinn Ministries as well as the founder of Christian Women in Training Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Chen. This
is the podcast where real life choices need biblical truth
without the plot. Tune in every second and fourth Monday
at GWPM in Eastern Standard Time as Doctor Chen shares
faith filled, practical insights to navigate everyday challenges. Get ready
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for real talk, real life and real answers.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Welcome to another episode of Keeping
It Real with Doctor Linda Ten. I'm Audrebel Curry, the producer,
and today we've got a great show, a great guest
as always, and the great host as always, Doctor Ten.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is March and we are in for some big
things here because it is March.
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Can you believe it?
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The time does not wait for anybody. It just goes
goals and goals and goals and goals.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So today Doctor Ten has a wonderful guests. Her name
is doctor Cynthia Harper. Cynthia and I have known each
other for a long time. I want to say it has.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To be at least twelve years.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Somewhere around ten twelve years we met and I can't
even remember how we met. I met so many people
when I moved to Georgia. I was born here, but
I moved back and Cynthia was one of the first
people that I met when I moved back. And so
she's on the show today with Doctor Chen and she
has she's just a wonderful woman, beautiful, just beauty. When
I first saw she has these beautiful dimples and I
was like, you're so pretty. And I saw she sent
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the picture of her body, I'm like, she's still so pretty.
Let me tell y'all some I'm gonna say this, and
Doctor Chan slapped my hand. If I'm wrong with black,
don't crack. But anyway, I want to I want to
bring both doctor Chen and doctor Harper up to the
stage and let them talk to each other, like doctor
Harper introduced herself.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So I'm gonna step back. I'm gonna bring them up.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So you guys, you're in for a good show. As always,
as always, thank you, thank you, hollelujah, We thank you, Audrey.
I love how her energy and her but bigger right vitality.
Doctor Harper's something. I love it. And you know, I
just have to say this that I did not know
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that they knew each other. That's how awesome this is.
Its just it's just beautiful and so Audrey, I thank
you so much for just doing what you do. It's
behind the scenes, but it really makes everything happen. And
so we want to welcome doctor Cynthia Harper. And she
and I have known each other for over a decade
as well. I love her, love her. She is in
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my life, in ministry and in purpose. She has introduced
me to some wonderful people with whom I still have
connections and relationships business, ministry, personal, and so doctor Harper,
my dear sister, friend, daughter, and the Lord I love, love,
love you beautiful inside and out. Tell us who is
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doctor Cynthia Harper?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Doctor Cynthia.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
First of all, you know, I guess people would be
excited to introduce something, but the truth of the matter is,
thank you all for having me, doctor Chen. I know
people are in line to be on your show because
they know that you're an expert at what you do.
And when I say that, is you an expert studier
and a teacher. So for some people that can be intimidating,
it used to be for me. So I thank you
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for giving me the opportunity to share and speak with
your audience. And now I want to congratulate you for
having the best producer there is in all of television,
which is ard. Let me tell you something. This woman
knows television, she knows marketing. She's a pro at this work.
So I should have known you had the best when
I saw her about a month ago. I said, well,
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look at God bringing things full circle. This is amazing.
So congratulations miss Arji for being here. Congratulations doctor Chen
for stepping out. It's not easy, thank you, right yeah,
to step out and do something like this, keep the
schedule flowing, your good guests. So let me just show
you all little things about who am I. I'm God's daughter.
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I often say I'm the beloved, I'm the favorite. Well
we all say that I'm the one that you know
he didn't let my shoes wear out when he could have,
because I have. I have written on grace, and and
sometimes I get scared to think that I've taken advantage
of grace so much as we often do. My favorite
I'm going to tell you some simple things. My favorite
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alphabet is a letter P. Why is that words like purpose, preemptive, powerful, plausible,
just it's such a powerful word. It's such a powerful word.
I truly am a woman that I love my family.
You know, I've lived away from my family almost four decades. Yeah,
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so we although extremely close, we're very far away from
each other, so they don't know or see my day
to day actions. But of course, now with the makings
of TV and streaming and things of that nature, we
you know, we get to see each other via face
to face based on we can share more love that way.
My greatest therapy is prayer. Though I have a therapist,
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I believe that everyone should have someone to speak with
the therapist. Therapy for me is prayer. People say, oh,
you pray too long. Now, That's where I get my answers.
That's where I get my deliverance from. Yeah, I've got
some education. I'm back in school working on a master's
PhD at Regent University, studying psychology and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
There can just be me, real small in this world
called implementing purpose. So that's who I am.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Like most women, I'm striving and I want to put
that in perspective. I want to kind of remind myself
like Jesus, he didn't come to make a reputation for himself,
though God wants excellence from us. We have to be
careful that we don't make what we do about us.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Amen, I'm learning to pull back on some of this
stuff and say you're not all that. God to use you,
and then go forth and be as excellent as I
can be without thinking it's about me, because the onus
of my success belongs to God. I just need to
do the steps that's been provided. I've got to follow
the process. But if I do, God to say it now,
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I'm lying myself up with God's perfect real It's going
to fall into place.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
All right. So let's get to what we want to
talk about today. I love this that you have this
institute Right of Purpose and Temperament, and you and I
did a class together some years ago. I love that
you have taken this and created the institute because people
need this, like people really need to understand not just
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you know, what is my purpose. I'm looking for my purpose.
I'm trying to figure out why I was born. But
you have made the connection clear between between temperament and purpose.
And so one of the questions I want to ask
is what is the Purpose and Temperament Institute? What is it?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Okay, so you know God had given me the mantle
of purpose five decades ago. I mean literally when I
was younger. But as I age, I kept hearing purpose
in my spirit. Purpose, Purpose, Purpose. So I began to
study people like Miles Munroe. I begin to follow you
because you've always had an inkland, You've always had a
desire to help people to know why they exist.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Well, about two years ago, I met this amazing doctor,
my doctor. He's a clinician, doctor John Worley, and he
hired me as a consultant to help him set his
business up to do business in the government space, in
the federal market that too, yes, So we got to
talking about his.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Temperament profile that he offered.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, for decades, I've been struggling looking for this one
piece that I was missing to help people figure out
where they were, how did they get there? And I
even called you a said, doctor Chen, you have an
amazing profile. You have an amazing piece that you use
on purpose. How could I use that? You said, well,
it's a collective of this and that I got to
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be careful, can't you know, let it be used to
freelists and others. So I kept saying, well, God, I
need something from you. Well, when I met him, he said,
you'd be excellent at this. I said, no, I only
talk about purpose. He said, Cynthia, you can't understand purpose
to you understand your temperament fully.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So I was thinking, I.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Said, well, I can't change my topic harping on purpose.
My slogan asked who I am, discover your purpose? And
so I went and I met with my pastor and
I asked him, I said what he said, name it
the Purpose and the Temperament Institute.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And then God begin to unfold.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, an institute is something that is It's an organization
which is created to provide research on certain common doctrines.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And teachings and learnings. An institute to.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Help you become profound and prophetic about a certain topic
and a subject, a thing or whatever. So I begin
to understand, oh, we need to do this. And then
again I told you, I love the letter P. And
I said, all things P and T, all things P
and T perfect and temperament. So the Perfect in Temperament
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Institute was created to be an organization to do research
on certain things that helped me. It's the full man
the full woman to fulfill the purpose that God's given.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Them the Purpose and Temperament Institute, and so a lot
of people don't understand what temperament is. You want to
talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I do so years ago, y'all, about two decades ago,
when I met doctor Chen. We would talk about, you know,
y'all have a big personality, and I'm truly one of
those people. And I can admit this. I'm a late bloomer,
and she would you would say to me, See, you're
one of the few people in this world that can
say things to me. And I don't get offended because
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I know it's out.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Of the heart of love.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I know that it's not to tear me down. It's
really to strengthen me. But you would always say, dar
to pull your temperament in. Well, at the time, you
were talking about self control. See, I have a big personality.
But what I've learned from doctor John Warley is this
personality is persona. I've learned this to study in temperament.
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It's what I show you at the moment. But the
temperament is the DNA, the authenticity. It is the way
God shaped you, and he made you this to protect you.
It's also a way that God made you so that
you will have independence, but interdependence because God did not
want you and I to be a unit to ourselves.
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So he began to explain to you. I began to study,
go through this long oh my gosh, this laborious process.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
A lot to learn about the temperament.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So normally there are fourteenments that most psychologists deal with.
So he combined two of them and he made them five.
So we begin to study the five temperaments of the
psychology or the scientists, the scientificness of us.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Now many you don't like to say that we're scientific.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Wellnia talks about God and his scientific behavior and his mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That's what that is.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
But Christians will get it, or not just Christians. Most
people think, well, that's hope of its focus.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
No it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It's not hocus pocus. So when you are studying temperament,
you begin to learn about there's personalities within your temperament.
Where doctor Warley trains on, you can be a sanguine,
you can be an in perverted sanguine. You can be
a alric, you can be a pragmatic, you can be
a melanchanie. What happens with all of these different personalities.
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Now that I'm beginning to learn them, or these these
different temperaments, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
When I meet.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
People, I would easily say, oh, she is so it's
easy to look at a person to say she's blocked off,
she's stuck up, she's a melanchoie.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's who she is.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Receive her as she is. She doesn't want me in
her space. I have a big personality. It overshadows him
or her.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And that's where I love that. One thing I know
about doctor Harper, is about you is that you love
and study wisdom as well. Right, wisdom is extremely important
to you. I love that about you, and so because
and so really just to kind of make it simple,
what our temperance is, our natural traits, right, our natural
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behavior style, that's what it is. And because you have
a big, beautiful personality, and because I have the type
of personality I do, people can misunderstand us and often
label us and often mislabel us. That's how God created us.
These are the natural traits with which God has created us.
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But wisdom tells us both that there's a time when
you push and there's a time when you relent. There's
a time when you speak and you need to be
the big personality. And there's times when we need to
not shrink back in order to make ourselves insignificant, but
in order to allow other people to shine and come
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forth right. Absolutely, and so that's one of the beautiful
things about understanding your temperament. So I love that she
put together the two. She didn't call the business just
in the ministry because it's both. It's not just the
Purpose Institute, thank god, it's the purpose and Temperament Institute.
And so it's important that people know that. So why
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did you start it?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Because I needed to do the work for myself. When
I met doctor Worley and we did my assessment, which
is a profile, it's the timperament profile. The WIDP is
the one we use. I begin to do the work internally.
I had a great therapist and we were going through processes.
But I know that there's some work that needs to
be done. And see the problem with most of us,
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we don't want to put.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
In the work.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Say that the work is the opportunity to get it
right in here, the work is the hurt, the trauma,
the situation that we've experienced throughout life, the work says,
if I don't take this opportunity to start getting it right,
it's going to be exposed anyway.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
When it's exposed.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
You know what's that scripture in Proverbs that says a
brother offended is easy to.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Prose, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, I've done that before.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I've hurt people because of the trauma on the inside
of me. So then when you have not taken care
of that and you blow up, you blow off, you
shrink back, or you do is say something that sets
you in a bad position, then you experience expulsion when
you loot it. Yes, yes, and you ran away and
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your wan often and actuality. You don't want to be hurt,
You don't want to hurt people, but you haven't done
the work. So I begin to do the work inside
and saying wow, and see what people are understanding. Like
we just recently did a profile for a high level CEO,
amazing CEO of a nonprofit and this individual is a
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leader and this and that this individual also leans when
there's good, there's bad. They are bossy. We don't understand
that there's a yo. Yes, there's a no, there's a dark,
there's a light. So this great leader who this person is.
When he looked at himself on paper, he started to
say They started to say, oh, he said, yeah, you
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have traits of tendencies looking at your numbers that show
that people view you this way. Now you mean it
that way, yes, view you. And we were misunderstood because
we don't study the science of each other, the science
of ourselves. And doctor Chen, if I can't lead me,
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why am I trying to lead a team of five hundred?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But you know you said something key and this one
you have to do the work. But you said when
I asked, why did you start it? You said because
I needed to do the work myself. And we all
know description Psalm one thirty nine, write twenty two to
twenty four, Lord search my heart trying to know me.
You know, if there's anything we're going to be, leave
me the way of a lasting. But we say that,
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we pray it, but we don't permit. We don't sit
with God long enough for him to show us what's
really in our hearts and what we're really thinking about,
and what's really foul right that we you know, it's
wonderful to think you're so wonderful and beautiful and got
going on and this and that. But as Jeremiah said,
the heart above all things all, it's deceitfully wicked, wicked.
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So you need the work to show us that this
is what needs to be done. So I want to
ask you and when you when people engage, how do
they engage you in the Purpose and Temperament Institute. That's
one And the next question is do you help them
do the soul search and work that you did.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I have to I have to ask them these questions
because if you don't want to see yourself for real
on paper, then don't take this temperament access. Don't take
this profile if you don't want to understand that you
don't have it all together. Yes, he's motively shaped you,
and you're in his image, and you're wonderful and you're
fearfully made. We love to say those things. He's no
respect to your persons. He created me and he didn't
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create no junk. All that's good, but you still got
some mess inside of you.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean, your temperament is your DNA.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Your intrinsic behavior is authentic and it's unchangeable.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
This is another thing.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Character changes along the way depending upon your exposure. Personality
is there's your persona, but the behavior that comes out
of that if you've not done the work. This is
what people understand if you've not done the work. Internally,
when I meet people and they say, well, especially therapists,
people who work in the build because there's no businy
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helping other people when they need help as well.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
If you have not done the work, you will.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Believe b e and then the work l you will
believe the lie that's inside of you. I love that
I have believed lies inside of me because the work
hadn't been done. As I begin to do the work,
things begin to unfold. I notice things about me. You're
selfish at times, your self centered at time. Does it
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hurt It does hurt you, but it hurts enough. God
loves me enough to hurt me, to get me well,
to not leave me.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
How He found me.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So the very thing, this is what I tell people
about purpose that you're looking for is looking for you.
The very thing that you are experiencing in life is
created for you so you can search it and seek
it down so you can be the perfector of it. Yes,
in America, we say subject matter expert.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That is me and that well, you better be the
smear of your own emotions.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
You better know how to control it because see I
came from a household and this is my truth. Yeah,
I told the black tail of women, we don't take nothing,
but the devil is a lie. You're gonna learn to
take something or you're gonna live in a state of
always being.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Exposed, exposed, exposed.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And then exposion comes next. You will always find yourself
in and out out. Yes, yes, someone told me in
the family once, you don't have to take that. I
remember telling me that on a job. Who told you
when you go to a job that everybody's going to
like you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
If everybody likes you, that's a problem. That is a
problem right there.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
That's a problem right there.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Who told you that you can manage five hundred people
when five people is all you need to manage, because
that will stress you out.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You talk about losing your temperament.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Go for one of these jobs that look good on
paper and they need a whole lot in the bank,
and you're not ready for it. That is why so
many people are stressed out with mental situations in the workforce,
because they don't understand their temperament. It looks good that
you're climbing this ladder, but if you put it against
the wrong building, do you understand your timperament wasn't created
for that? And you're just this dynamic to God and
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the people that are around you. Then you are if
you manage one or one.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Thousand exactly exactly, you can be just as effective. You're
the same person, same principles. So tell us what is
the correlation between the two, between the temperament and the purpose.
How do they fit together and what makes them so
powerful together?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Because they are an intrinsic wiring. They're wired together, right,
And I made some notes here on this. This is
really good that you ask that question, very very good question.
What happens why they are so wired together? Is purpose
is what you're supposed really, what you're supposed to do it.
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But your temperament is how you're doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
For an example, if you are a melan Connie and
that is your temperament and you're kind of laid back
and you are called to work in a marketing firm,
which is big exciting, but all that's not and you
love that, and that's what you're called to do. When
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they come and say the next campaign is coming out
we're releasing this and it's gonna be big, and we're
all in their face and they're like, please, you're in
my space. I'm working on this project. I'm excited about
the project. And people like Melon Connie's. I'll give you
an example. They want to be invited in. They want
to be inviting in just to see enough, but they
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don't want to be out front with that. They don't
want you in their face, invading their space. Some of
us who are space hoggers that like to touch people,
my mom will grab you by the face and said,
why she doesn't like that look at her face. I
used to think that was okay, but because now that
I understand, that's not their temperament. Yeah, you have to
pull yours, but your temperament is your because your love
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language is touch.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
All these works together.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
So the correlation here is is that you have to
understand that God has given you a certain success and
a certain joy that fits you. It does not mean
that what you demonstrate is what you desired.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's another thing.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
There were people who demonstrate, oh many people demonstrate they
are absolutely the greatest cheerleader, but they may not want
you to cheer for them because they want.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
To keep low.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yes, I get it. I hope you're getting this. You
all people like you.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
You don't like a lot of alarmelightness.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I do not period.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You don't want to be in front and censer. That's
not what you do, correct? Can you do it? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But because your purpose is to train and to teach
other people, your style of teaching them is what God
has called you to do it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Everybody's not gonna get you, doctor Chen right, everybody that's okay.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So a lot of times we're misunderstood, we're mishandled, we're
misjudged because of.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
How God created us to be.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
You are predesigned intrinsically your DNA for certain people, and
the problem with many of us, we don't care how
we get it, long as we get it.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
That's not the way.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
People say.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
People say, particularly about people that are popular.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Instead of telling people to be significant, they say stuff
like bad press is better than no press, The devil
is a lot. Why would you want bad press? Why
would you want negativity? So as long as your name
is out there, that's good. That's not good. It's not good.
So when you begin to understand this thing about me
is black and white, some things out better be careful
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with I'm the kind of person and I think, and
this is just grace here.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I've never tried drugs, never had a joint, not.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
One in my whole life. God knew my personality. He
never let me allow me to do that. Come on,
you and somebody, come on now. My personality is big, right.
My temperament is I could be addictive.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So if I got on drugs, it would be awful.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I'm hearing you.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I would be out of I would be it would
be ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I'm hearing you're helping somebody today.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
It would be sad that I might not come back. See.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Some people look upon some things and they never be
the same again. Somethings that I don't do. Some some
things that's I'm like, even on social media, I don't even.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Look at them. They get to come to mind.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I get rid of it right away because I know
there is a spirit, that there's a seducer.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Spirit, one that would love to have me.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And because now I'm learning my temperament how and I'll
give you an example. I'm very empathetic as it relates
to people, So sometimes I can feel sorry for the
wrong thing. God don't need me to feel sorry for things.
He needs to empower things, empower people. He wants me
to be compassionate. But passion is fire, it burns. So
you help me careful that you don't take your Scynthianism
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and sprod it on everybody else. You know, because you're so,
you think you're so, and people just don't understand. You
don't want to be. I don't want you uncomfortable. That's
not my goal. My goal is to get this out.
My goal is to lay this out so that we
can get it done. But the way I get it done,
I have to be careful. That's why I have a
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piece in my book that says, although there's nothing new
under the sun, the way doctor Chen was called to
do it just as not being done. You and I
are not doing anything new and different. We're called to do.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Right in the way we're wired. So we're wired. I've
had people years ago. I taught years ago this I
mean at least seventeen years ago. There was a I
used to be a superintendent and director of a Sunday
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school of a megachurch, right and one of the things
that I was helping the teachers and the leaders through
was discovering their purpose because I found out that people
want to do things that they're not necessarily called to do.
They see that other people doing something, Oh, I would
like to do that, but they don't have the grace,
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the calling, the anointed, the stamina of the tack right,
the information. They don't do the work. And so this
one woman, I'll never forget it. At the time, she
was in her sixties, and as we went through and
did the work, now this was not with the temperament,
and she said to me, I've been wanting to discover
my purpose all my life, and why have I gotten
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so old? And I'm just now discovering this. So this
is my question to you. Why is it important that
people don't just understand their purpose, but they need to
also understand their temperament as well? What is the What
are the cons of just knowing your purpose and not
your temperament.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Because you can get to that place a purpose where
you're supposed to be, but if you don't understand the
inclinations that are on the inside of you, you will
absolutely mess up that place you're supposed to be. And
I'll tell you something else. It's not just that it's
I keep this in front of me all the time.
It talks about you better know where you're supposed to be.
Where is it an education? Which mountain are you supposed
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to be in? Uh huh See, that's another thing. We
don't understand that some of us are called to entertainment
in certain levels in certain places. Oh, that's trash, that's nothing.
People don't entert and need to be understand their temperament.
They need to be saved, they need to be cared for, mentored.
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Mentoring is very important, whether you're in politics, whether you
in arts and entertainment, whether you're everybody. God has all
of it for all of us, and each person should
understand where they're called to be. So if that inclination
for you is not to be at the church training
because it looks good to be at the church, to
be a pastor, a leader, the supervisor over this and
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the supervisor over that, right, But you don't have a
temperament for study.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
People don't. People are lazy.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Oh, I used to be lazy until I started doing this.
We're lazy and we're comfortable. And you know why we're
comfortable because grace. Because God's not gonna let your shoes
run out, doctor Chen, that's a promise. But so we
take advantage of that, so my shoes are not worn out.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
So I'm okay. No, you're not okay.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
You're totally out of them. You're on the wrong track
and in the wrong lane. You're not fulfilling what you're
called to do. There's so much more to you than that,
because everything with us started as a mustard steve faith.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But you're not to stay there.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
When you started teaching and training and started learning it first,
you didn't own Linda Chen ministries. You have ministries that's
being both now throughout in different communities. You have a
library as extingueds you why it grew it grew, And
if he can trust you with little, then he'll give
you much and he can accelerate the little. But you've
got to get the foundation of the little. And that's
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why understanding the correlation between purpose and temperament. Okay, I'm
called to do this, but how am I called to
do it? Everyone you ask this date this is the question.
I just want to help people, But.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
How whoo plumbers help people?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Which is beautiful howerful people make like vocational jobs.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's a beautiful thing. What is wrong with vocational school?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Powerful?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
How are we to do what we're called to do?
Are we supposed to be doctors?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Not the moment with that?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
See and another thing that would trip us up is
you come from a legacy of family.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Because DNA is DNA.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It runs through the blood your families who have legacy careers.
Everyone's a doctor, everyone's attorney, everyone's an accountant. You might
be apple, that little seed in the apple that says,
but I want to run a non profit.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Come on, keep talking work.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
With little kids.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I want to make jewelry because we have a tendency
to think. Because if you want to make jewelry, God's
going to send people to you that like jewelry that
you need to coach and train and mentor and teach them.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
About what they're called to do.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Kingdom is minute. Say that again, nothing in the king
nothing in the world is minute. If it's a skill
in a talent, listen.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
That is that.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I hope somebody is hearing that. Don't permit And I'm
want to just admonish parents. Please don't put your children
in a box. Please don't decide what your children need
to be and what they need to do. As a
profession lead and guid you train them up in the
way that they should go so that when they're old
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they don't depart. But it's up to us to study
our children to see the way in which they should go,
and not to force them into a certain thing. And
so I also, I would say, you said so much.
I'm trying to backtrack you.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But let me tell you this, like calorics with personality, right,
it says we had this recently talked about. So we
emotionally drive things. We emotionally drive because we emotional people.
We drive things on our emotions, right, and then we
when it's not done our way, we're not.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Happy because of our emotionalisms.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Or emotionalism because we got this ploric personality.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They rejected me. No, they didn't reject you. You had a.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Pre ordained thought process or a premeditated way you wanted
this thing to go and didn't go that way.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
So now you're leaving U. Man, I'm not gonna work
with doctor chat no more.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
You're not working with her anymore because I came in
with this brilliant idea because I drive things because I
like things done by process. This other person like things
done by a different way, a different system.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
So then her way is not right for me.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
So we have to understand the correlation, the correlation of
understanding who you are.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Then you learn to blend better.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Then you learn to be appreciative of other things that
are different than you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So hearing you say two things, so of the phlegmatic
and the choleric, right, and the melancholy and the whatever,
the fourth and fifth one are none of them are
mad the same, none of them are bad. What she's
saying is they all must work together. None is better
than the other, none is worse than the other. And
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I've had a situation where I've managed people. I've managed
a few people, and I've managed a whole lot of people.
And I was able, by the grace and observing people,
to be able to move people from one position to
the other because I understood temperament right, because I understood that, yes,
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you're good at this, but your temperament is not good here.
And that's one of the things I wish, as you
mentioned one of the mountains of the systems in education,
I wish we would get it. In education, not everyone
is called to be a teacher, Not everyone has the
temperament to be a teacher or an engineer, or a
scientist or a physician, right when you don't have to
(33:46):
bet you got the brains of a doctor, but you
don't have the bedside manner, the bedside manner the things.
And so I got one more question I want to
ask you. Then we're going to bring Audrey on, because
what I like to do is Audrey listens in the background,
and then I like to bring her in to see
what she gets out of it at her perspective.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But I want to ask you this other question.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, it's kind of two in general conversation and your
engagement with people, because you engage people from all walks
of life, all economic backgrounds, right nationalities and all of that.
How do you discover when a person is not walking
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in their purpose and according according to their temperament? And
what do you do with that?
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So sometimes it's difficult because temperament is not observable, very
easily observable.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It has to be assessed.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
So sometimes we think we know somebody, but if they've
not been assessed, be careful with your judgment, because you're
not you're not always careful. They're not always correct in
what you're thinking. It's not something that's easily observed. Now,
one of the things I do know about people who
are not walking in there in their temperament and and
their purpose according to the temperament, is it's all about them.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
It's about the success of them. It's about.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
How great they've done and and and they they're big
on what they've accomplished. People who walk in purpose and
who understand their temperament quickly throws it. They give God
so much glory because they realize this was only you. Yeah,
no way, not just God. They're willing for somebody else
(35:31):
to come forward. I run the protection department at my church.
I don't necessarily want to say anything. I just want
to help write and get them disseminate the message out
because I don't want it to look like, oh, she
did good, she's great. Because if I have to watch myself,
I can like things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Say that, oh that's good, Admitte.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
So I've learned if if it's about me and look
how good I am, a better watch it because it
might be that it's.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
A self glory.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
It's it's a personal something that and God is saying, no,
I'm just using you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Even in corporate America. Listen, you are a commodity to
get the job done. We're using you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
That's why we pay you one hundred and forty six
thousand dollars a year to do this job as a
systems a principal systems engineer. We're using your skill set
to help make things better.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
But it's not about you. It's about the customer on.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The other end, the end user, right, it's the end user.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
So what God is saying to us in terms of
understanding when I look at people and I say, oh,
but that doesn't really match. You're concerned about how did
the end users feel about it? What was their respect
of what you did? Is it making a difference? Are
you providing a solution? Solution providers? See, that's what God
(36:57):
has called all of us to be the answer, an
answer to somebody, answer to someone.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, answer to some one's problem.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
And if you're not answering someone's problem, but you're fulfilling
your pocket and it looks good because let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I remember working in corporate America. Had an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I made so much money at Kaiser And I was
sitting in my office one day and I said, and
I started crying, I said, And I said why, And
there was a second time I heard God audible. He said, one,
you're divorced. Now you need to be able to take
care of yourself in the style that you like. And
I was shocked. And then he said to me, I'm
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you for something else. At the time, I was interviewing people,
interviewing people, interviewing high level IT executives, teaching me how
to deal with executives, yes, how to interview them. Shortly
thereafter I started up my own radio show. Who was
I interviewing the Maya Jelloes of the world, The James Borough.
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God was taking that very skill set of interviewing, and he.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Just transferred it from you over corporate America.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
That transferred me over to the real place that he
would have me to be, because if not, I would
have been intimidated to go into a corporate environment and
train an executive staff or team.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. Listen,
we're gonna bring Audrey on, but I want to ask
you right here and right now, would you come back,
because there's so many things that you do and that
you're really good at and talk about the government piece
of what you do for other people, and how you
match up people with government contracts and how you got
(38:42):
in it what we don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah, you come back to that. How come I can
talk about that?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, that thing?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
There is something else.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Thank you, Audrey, Audrey, I'm mad. Great, great show.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Great. It was so funny because I was sitting here,
so I turned the camera off because I don't want
to distract anybody. I could be moving in the background,
so I always turn the camera, but I'm listening. I
had three instances, well I thought about temperament, and it
was funny because I had the laugh to myself. So
the first one when was when I got out of college.
My brother got out of college right My brother's an educator,
(39:19):
and he said to me, you should be a teacher.
And I was like, I don't have a temperament for it.
I know I didn't have a temperament. So he has
three children.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
I have one.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I knew I didn't have the temperament to be a teacher,
so I said, no, no, no, no. He's still an
educator to this day, like thirty something years I knew
that wasn't me. The time I realized I wasn't. I
didn't have that temperament was. I worked in a hospital
for eight and a half years, right, and I was
in the union. So I felt like, well, I'm in
the hospital. Now listen to this, because you said something
(39:49):
about this. It was about money. I'm in the hospital,
I'm in a union. I can go to school for free,
go to school and be a nurse. Yep, I'm gonna
go to Schoolmnna be a nurse. I do two years
of nursing school, get to my clinicals, and quit the
second day. The first day of clinicals, had to change
the colossomity bag. They came out the room. They said,
what you're doing. I was standing against the wall like this,
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and it's wrong. I said, I can't do this. Two
years wasted, and then the last time was I get
I get approached every year of y'all about going into politics,
running for some kind of office, and I tell them, I, Audrey,
do not have the temperament.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And this is my term every time. I don't have the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Temperament to be a politician. I'm a little girl from Newton,
New Jersey. I don't have the temperament to be a politician.
And so I thought that was pretty interesting, and I
was laughing because I was like, yeah, you need to
know yourself, know thyself. And I thought that was pretty interesting.
So I had a question though, for people who think
that their purpose is their temperament, you know, how do
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they discover that it's not because they think that, you
know this, it's my purpose, it's who I'm supposed to
be in the really suck at that. And I and
I could tell you I talked there at least one
day that feel because I'm walking in purpose, and I
asked much to be about that part.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Most people have never been assessed temper have their temperment
assessed in the world. It is a new it's kind
of we we we assess Myers Briggs and disc a
lot amazing and then these are some amazing profiles out
of here deal with personality. There was strengths, weaknesses, But
it's not temperament. This temperament is authors it's DNA. It's
intrinsic behavior. You can't tell it by as I said earlier,
(41:33):
by just by just and see this is why most
of us for years, instead of managing it, we've manipulated
and just a matter of time.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Blood this is right.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You'll get worn out and you are burnout and you're frustrated,
and you're like, God, where are you? He said, I'm
waiting on you to be obedient to the call that
I have for you.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I made you this way, but you see it that way. Yeah,
and so easy to say.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
They got to be upset. They must have themselves assessed.
You can't tell temperament by it just now as you're mature,
and particularly when you study wisdom. When we always at
this megachurch, and I love one of the things I
loved about the Bible study or the study.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And the prayer. There was me and a partner, Dan Yelle.
Never forget it.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
We used to study the Book of Proverbs and I'm
getting back to that. On a daily basis. We would
commit proverbs to memory because God showed me that a
wise person, because see, wisdom comes from God right knowledge
that all these other things are great.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
And that's what we think. I don't need no knowledge
that you do. You need both.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
You need to be knowledgeable and you need to be
have wisdom wise. Yeah, you have to be wise. You
have to have You have to have wisdom because he says,
think on these things that are true.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
You have to understand that He says.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
If you like wisdom, what he tells the Book of James,
what do he say, ask he gives liberty. And I
was studying one day and all these things. Now, I said, Lord,
show me some whirling things that match up with this.
So I put in the word agorithms. And he had
all these scriptures that I'd used all my life. Because
my girlfriend was like, but you got to get your
algorithms right, I said, I got to get the call
right with God, and he'll line up the algorithms. I
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can't focus my life on that if I'm not in
line with the wisdom of God. Understand where he's driving me.
So the scriptures will tell us if we seek him,
he will put the thing.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Listen. I was seeking God. He sent me doctor John
Wayne Worley.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
I was helping him in his government business, and in
turn he introduced me to this temperament piece, which I
didn't even.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Know if he existed at this level.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
All I thought was purpose, purpose, purpose, purpose, purpose purpose.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
But I didn't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So tell us someplace people can go to get their temperament.
It says, yere's not.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
A lot of places to go.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
You can come to the sea, you can come to
the Purpose and Temperament Institute.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We will assess you.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
We are putting together a team of professionals that we're certifying.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
People say, oh, you.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Could just go get No, no, no, I don't even
want people who are not serious about the hearts of
other people, serious about the work and the efforts of
other people. So I am careful who I choose to
be on my team. Right now, I have two ladies
on my team, and we're looking for about two or
three more, maybe five more people. But we assess you,
and then we sit down with you and we show
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you you on paper and if it's like me personally.
First I said, that's not me, Doctor Worley, that's not me.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
He said, dorg Okay, So we're gonna So they can
go to see Harper dot com. You see where you
can go.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
And then you're there.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
We have the Purpose and Temperament Institute in there and
inside to see our enterprises. You can find the Purpose
and Temperament Institute where you can sign up and we
will reach back to you, send you.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
The profile, get you started.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
And then we would sit down with you and train
you either individually or in a group corporate wise.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
We do it in groups, large numbers, yeah, individuals.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
We spend time with people that really really trying to
move their career, their lives, their movement to another place
to help them understand somewhere we did recently, and this
guy said, that's why I failed.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Right here?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Of course, that's okay. At least you seek it out
to get up.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
So what she's saying is what the Purpose and Temperament
Institute does is it sets you on the path to
doing what you're born in birth and wired to do,
and that helps us live an abundant life, a joyful life,
a purpose filled life. And or do I want to ask?
Usually said, you had another question right quick? I know
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we gotta go.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I did. I wanted to make a comment, a comment,
and then we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
We'll be so last week twice last week, Proverb was
brought up to me twice, and I was like, okay,
I gotta read Proverbs twice.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
This morning I woke up at six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I had to go exercise with my daughter, but before
I walked out the door, I read Proverbs.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I started to read it again, and then you brought
it up again.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I'm like, okay, so it's something I was supposed to
know and read inside of Proverbs because I hadn't read
it in the years literally, and it was brought up
to my attention twice and I'm like, okay, so now
I have to figure out what that was. The other
thing I wanted to just you said something at the
beginning of the show. You said, they have taken advantage
of grace? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Because God is so good he hasn't given us what
we deserved. And we go over and over again we
do the same thing, and we said, oh, God, forgive me.
This is you're getting by this. I promise I never
do this again. And He graces us through it. The
shoes don't run out. He extends himself over and over
and over with this amazing grace and we think we're okay,
(46:55):
but it's a sad part if we see him and
he says, but you didn't do it God called you
to do. We need a well done. And this is
what purpose and temperament would do for you. You know how
you go out and eat and you're not fulfilled and
you're like, oh, that was okay. And the way it
comes back into the table over here, they bring something. Really,
I want some of that. That's what purpose and temperament
(47:15):
is for you when you're not satisfied and you're not
full of what you do, because they'll come to you
and is Mighty gonna send you some coffee this week?
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Can you?
Speaker 5 (47:23):
Can you sell our coffee product of every week? Somebody
got something new for you.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
So the bottom line is this, everyone wants to live
a purpose filled life. I don't care who you are.
You are, I don't hear if you believe in the
Lord Jesus as we do. We're believers in the Lord.
This is a faith based show, but we keep it real.
The thing too, is that we do take advantage of grace.
But I want to say this to somebody until God
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will turn you over to a reprobate mind, which means
we can keep doing and keep doing and keep doing
things our way, and at some point God will say
to you, if we continue to live this obedient is fine.
You want to do it your way, go ahead and
do it your way. That's not a good place to be.
So I want to encourage you all to go to
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see Harper Enterprises it is dot com and get to
the place where you are living a fulfilled and happy
and purpose filled life, not for yourself, but because other
people in the world need you.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Absolutely your needs the word fulfilled, your feel your mother
wanting to say, and mother, willn't you're ready to go home?
Speaker 4 (48:36):
No, baby, I ain't satisfied.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I'm satisfied almost. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Doctor Harper.
We thank you, thank you, thank you. Love the energy,
the wisdom, the knowledge that you bring. Dis love it
and I love you so very much. Thank you for
your Yes, we appreciate you. Love you, Audrey, do what
you do and take us home. My sister friend listen.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
The time does not wait for anybody. It just goes
goals and goals and goals and goals.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So today Doctor Ten has a wonderful guests. Her name
is doctor Cynthia Harper. Cynthia and I have known each
other for a long time. I want to say it has.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To be at least twelve years.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Somewhere around ten twelve years we met and I can't
even remember how we met. I met so many people
when I moved to Georgia. I was born here, but
I moved back and Cynthia was one of the first
people that I met when I moved back. And so
she's on the show today with Doctor Chen and she
has she's just a wonderful woman, beautiful, just beauty. When
I first saw she has these beautiful dimples and I
was like, you're so pretty. And I saw she sent
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the picture of her body, I'm like, she's still so pretty.
Let me tell y'all some I'm gonna say this, and
Doctor Chan slapped my hand. If I'm wrong with black,
don't crack. But anyway, I want to I want to
bring both doctor Chen and doctor Harper up to the
stage and let them talk to each other, like doctor
Harper introduced herself.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So I'm gonna step back. I'm gonna bring them up.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So you guys, you're in for a good show. As always,
as always, thank you, thank you, hollelujah, We thank you, Audrey.
I love how her energy and her but bigger right vitality.
Doctor Harper's something. I love it. And you know, I
just have to say this that I did not know
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that they knew each other. That's how awesome this is.
Its just it's just beautiful and so Audrey, I thank
you so much for just doing what you do. It's
behind the scenes, but it really makes everything happen. And
so we want to welcome doctor Cynthia Harper. And she
and I have known each other for over a decade
as well. I love her, love her. She is in
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my life, in ministry and in purpose. She has introduced
me to some wonderful people with whom I still have
connections and relationships business, ministry, personal, and so doctor Harper,
my dear sister, friend, daughter, and the Lord I love, love,
love you beautiful inside and out. Tell us who is
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doctor Cynthia Harper?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Doctor Cynthia.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
First of all, you know, I guess people would be
excited to introduce something, but the truth of the matter is,
thank you all for having me, doctor Chen. I know
people are in line to be on your show because
they know that you're an expert at what you do.
And when I say that, is you an expert studier
and a teacher. So for some people that can be intimidating,
it used to be for me. So I thank you
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for giving me the opportunity to share and speak with
your audience. And now I want to congratulate you for
having the best producer there is in all of television,
which is ard. Let me tell you something. This woman
knows television, she knows marketing. She's a pro at this work.
So I should have known you had the best when
I saw her about a month ago. I said, well,
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look at God bringing things full circle. This is amazing.
So congratulations miss Arji for being here. Congratulations doctor Chen
for stepping out. It's not easy, thank you, right yeah,
to step out and do something like this, keep the
schedule flowing, your good guests. So let me just show
you all little things about who am I. I'm God's daughter.
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I often say I'm the beloved, I'm the favorite. Well
we all say that I'm the one that you know
he didn't let my shoes wear out when he could have,
because I have. I have written on grace, and and
sometimes I get scared to think that I've taken advantage
of grace so much as we often do. My favorite
I'm going to tell you some simple things. My favorite
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alphabet is a letter P. Why is that words like purpose, preemptive, powerful, plausible,
just it's such a powerful word. It's such a powerful word.
I truly am a woman that I love my family.
You know, I've lived away from my family almost four decades. Yeah,
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so we although extremely close, we're very far away from
each other, so they don't know or see my day
to day actions. But of course, now with the makings
of TV and streaming and things of that nature, we
you know, we get to see each other via face
to face based on we can share more love that way.
My greatest therapy is prayer. Though I have a therapist,
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I believe that everyone should have someone to speak with
the therapist. Therapy for me is prayer. People say, oh,
you pray too long. Now, That's where I get my answers.
That's where I get my deliverance from. Yeah, I've got
some education. I'm back in school working on a master's
PhD at Regent University, studying psychology and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
There can just be me, real small in this world
called implementing purpose. So that's who I am.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Like most women, I'm striving and I want to put
that in perspective. I want to kind of remind myself
like Jesus, he didn't come to make a reputation for himself,
though God wants excellence from us. We have to be
careful that we don't make what we do about us.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Amen, I'm learning to pull back on some of this
stuff and say you're not all that. God to use you,
and then go forth and be as excellent as I
can be without thinking it's about me, because the onus
of my success belongs to God. I just need to
do the steps that's been provided. I've got to follow
the process. But if I do, God to say it now,
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I'm lying myself up with God's perfect real It's going
to fall into place.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
All right. So let's get to what we want to
talk about today. I love this that you have this
institute Right of Purpose and Temperament, and you and I
did a class together some years ago. I love that
you have taken this and created the institute because people
need this, like people really need to understand not just
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you know, what is my purpose. I'm looking for my purpose.
I'm trying to figure out why I was born. But
you have made the connection clear between between temperament and purpose.
And so one of the questions I want to ask
is what is the Purpose and Temperament Institute? What is it?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Okay, so you know God had given me the mantle
of purpose five decades ago. I mean literally when I
was younger. But as I age, I kept hearing purpose
in my spirit. Purpose, Purpose, Purpose. So I began to
study people like Miles Munroe. I begin to follow you
because you've always had an inkland, You've always had a
desire to help people to know why they exist.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Well, about two years ago, I met this amazing doctor,
my doctor. He's a clinician, doctor John Worley, and he
hired me as a consultant to help him set his
business up to do business in the government space, in
the federal market that too, yes, So we got to
talking about his.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Temperament profile that he offered.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, for decades, I've been struggling looking for this one
piece that I was missing to help people figure out
where they were, how did they get there? And I
even called you a said, doctor Chen, you have an
amazing profile. You have an amazing piece that you use
on purpose. How could I use that? You said, well,
it's a collective of this and that I got to
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be careful, can't you know, let it be used to
freelists and others. So I kept saying, well, God, I
need something from you. Well, when I met him, he said,
you'd be excellent at this. I said, no, I only
talk about purpose. He said, Cynthia, you can't understand purpose
to you understand your temperament fully.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So I was thinking, I.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Said, well, I can't change my topic harping on purpose.
My slogan asked who I am, discover your purpose? And
so I went and I met with my pastor and
I asked him, I said what he said, name it
the Purpose and the Temperament Institute.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And then God begin to unfold.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, an institute is something that is It's an organization
which is created to provide research on certain common doctrines.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And teachings and learnings. An institute to.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Help you become profound and prophetic about a certain topic
and a subject, a thing or whatever. So I begin
to understand, oh, we need to do this. And then
again I told you, I love the letter P. And
I said, all things P and T, all things P
and T perfect and temperament. So the Perfect in Temperament
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Institute was created to be an organization to do research
on certain things that helped me. It's the full man
the full woman to fulfill the purpose that God's given.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Them the Purpose and Temperament Institute, and so a lot
of people don't understand what temperament is. You want to
talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I do so years ago, y'all, about two decades ago,
when I met doctor Chen. We would talk about, you know,
y'all have a big personality, and I'm truly one of
those people. And I can admit this. I'm a late bloomer,
and she would you would say to me, See, you're
one of the few people in this world that can
say things to me. And I don't get offended because
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I know it's out.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Of the heart of love.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I know that it's not to tear me down. It's
really to strengthen me. But you would always say, dar
to pull your temperament in. Well, at the time, you
were talking about self control. See, I have a big personality.
But what I've learned from doctor John Warley is this
personality is persona. I've learned this to study in temperament.
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It's what I show you at the moment. But the
temperament is the DNA, the authenticity. It is the way
God shaped you, and he made you this to protect you.
It's also a way that God made you so that
you will have independence, but interdependence because God did not
want you and I to be a unit to ourselves.
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So he began to explain to you. I began to study,
go through this long oh my gosh, this laborious process.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
A lot to learn about the temperament.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So normally there are fourteenments that most psychologists deal with.
So he combined two of them and he made them five.
So we begin to study the five temperaments of the
psychology or the scientists, the scientificness of us.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Now many you don't like to say that we're scientific.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Wellnia talks about God and his scientific behavior and his mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That's what that is.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
But Christians will get it, or not just Christians. Most
people think, well, that's hope of its focus.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
No it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It's not hocus pocus. So when you are studying temperament,
you begin to learn about there's personalities within your temperament.
Where doctor Warley trains on, you can be a sanguine,
you can be an in perverted sanguine. You can be
a alric, you can be a pragmatic, you can be
a melanchanie. What happens with all of these different personalities.
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Now that I'm beginning to learn them, or these these
different temperaments, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
When I meet.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
People, I would easily say, oh, she is so it's
easy to look at a person to say she's blocked off,
she's stuck up, she's a melanchoie.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's who she is.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Receive her as she is. She doesn't want me in
her space. I have a big personality. It overshadows him
or her.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And that's where I love that. One thing I know
about doctor Harper, is about you is that you love
and study wisdom as well. Right, wisdom is extremely important
to you. I love that about you, and so because
and so really just to kind of make it simple,
what our temperance is, our natural traits, right, our natural
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behavior style, that's what it is. And because you have
a big, beautiful personality, and because I have the type
of personality I do, people can misunderstand us and often
label us and often mislabel us. That's how God created us.
These are the natural traits with which God has created us.
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But wisdom tells us both that there's a time when
you push and there's a time when you relent. There's
a time when you speak and you need to be
the big personality. And there's times when we need to
not shrink back in order to make ourselves insignificant, but
in order to allow other people to shine and come
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forth right. Absolutely, and so that's one of the beautiful
things about understanding your temperament. So I love that she
put together the two. She didn't call the business just
in the ministry because it's both. It's not just the
Purpose Institute, thank god, it's the purpose and Temperament Institute.
And so it's important that people know that. So why
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did you start it?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Because I needed to do the work for myself. When
I met doctor Worley and we did my assessment, which
is a profile, it's the timperament profile. The WIDP is
the one we use. I begin to do the work internally.
I had a great therapist and we were going through processes.
But I know that there's some work that needs to
be done. And see the problem with most of us,
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we don't want to put.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
In the work.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Say that the work is the opportunity to get it
right in here, the work is the hurt, the trauma,
the situation that we've experienced throughout life, the work says,
if I don't take this opportunity to start getting it right,
it's going to be exposed anyway.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
When it's exposed.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
You know what's that scripture in Proverbs that says a
brother offended is easy to.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Prose, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, I've done that before.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I've hurt people because of the trauma on the inside
of me. So then when you have not taken care
of that and you blow up, you blow off, you
shrink back, or you do is say something that sets
you in a bad position, then you experience expulsion when
you loot it. Yes, yes, and you ran away and
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your wan often and actuality. You don't want to be hurt,
You don't want to hurt people, but you haven't done
the work. So I begin to do the work inside
and saying wow, and see what people are understanding. Like
we just recently did a profile for a high level CEO,
amazing CEO of a nonprofit and this individual is a
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leader and this and that this individual also leans when
there's good, there's bad. They are bossy. We don't understand
that there's a yo. Yes, there's a no, there's a dark,
there's a light. So this great leader who this person is.
When he looked at himself on paper, he started to
say They started to say, oh, he said, yeah, you
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have traits of tendencies looking at your numbers that show
that people view you this way. Now you mean it
that way, yes, view you. And we were misunderstood because
we don't study the science of each other, the science
of ourselves. And doctor Chen, if I can't lead me,
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why am I trying to lead a team of five hundred?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But you know you said something key and this one
you have to do the work. But you said when
I asked, why did you start it? You said because
I needed to do the work myself. And we all
know description Psalm one thirty nine, write twenty two to
twenty four, Lord search my heart trying to know me.
You know, if there's anything we're going to be, leave
me the way of a lasting. But we say that,
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we pray it, but we don't permit. We don't sit
with God long enough for him to show us what's
really in our hearts and what we're really thinking about,
and what's really foul right that we you know, it's
wonderful to think you're so wonderful and beautiful and got
going on and this and that. But as Jeremiah said,
the heart above all things all, it's deceitfully wicked, wicked.
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So you need the work to show us that this
is what needs to be done. So I want to
ask you and when you when people engage, how do
they engage you in the Purpose and Temperament Institute. That's
one And the next question is do you help them
do the soul search and work that you did.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I have to I have to ask them these questions
because if you don't want to see yourself for real
on paper, then don't take this temperament access. Don't take
this profile if you don't want to understand that you
don't have it all together. Yes, he's motively shaped you,
and you're in his image, and you're wonderful and you're
fearfully made. We love to say those things. He's no
respect to your persons. He created me and he didn't
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create no junk. All that's good, but you still got
some mess inside of you.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean, your temperament is your DNA.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Your intrinsic behavior is authentic and it's unchangeable.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
This is another thing.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Character changes along the way depending upon your exposure. Personality
is there's your persona, but the behavior that comes out
of that if you've not done the work. This is
what people understand if you've not done the work. Internally,
when I meet people and they say, well, especially therapists,
people who work in the build because there's no businy
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helping other people when they need help as well.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
If you have not done the work, you will.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Believe b e and then the work l you will
believe the lie that's inside of you. I love that
I have believed lies inside of me because the work
hadn't been done. As I begin to do the work,
things begin to unfold. I notice things about me. You're
selfish at times, your self centered at time. Does it
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hurt It does hurt you, but it hurts enough. God
loves me enough to hurt me, to get me well,
to not leave me.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
How He found me.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So the very thing, this is what I tell people
about purpose that you're looking for is looking for you.
The very thing that you are experiencing in life is
created for you so you can search it and seek
it down so you can be the perfector of it. Yes,
in America, we say subject matter expert.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That is me and that well, you better be the
smear of your own emotions.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
You better know how to control it because see I
came from a household and this is my truth. Yeah,
I told the black tail of women, we don't take nothing,
but the devil is a lie. You're gonna learn to
take something or you're gonna live in a state of
always being.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Exposed, exposed, exposed.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And then exposion comes next. You will always find yourself
in and out out. Yes, yes, someone told me in
the family once, you don't have to take that. I
remember telling me that on a job. Who told you
when you go to a job that everybody's going to
like you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
If everybody likes you, that's a problem. That is a
problem right there.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
That's a problem right there.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Who told you that you can manage five hundred people
when five people is all you need to manage, because
that will stress you out.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You talk about losing your temperament.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Go for one of these jobs that look good on
paper and they need a whole lot in the bank,
and you're not ready for it. That is why so
many people are stressed out with mental situations in the workforce,
because they don't understand their temperament. It looks good that
you're climbing this ladder, but if you put it against
the wrong building, do you understand your timperament wasn't created
for that? And you're just this dynamic to God and
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the people that are around you. Then you are if
you manage one or one.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Thousand exactly exactly, you can be just as effective. You're
the same person, same principles. So tell us what is
the correlation between the two, between the temperament and the purpose.
How do they fit together and what makes them so
powerful together?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Because they are an intrinsic wiring. They're wired together, right,
And I made some notes here on this. This is
really good that you ask that question, very very good question.
What happens why they are so wired together? Is purpose
is what you're supposed really, what you're supposed to do it.
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But your temperament is how you're doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
For an example, if you are a melan Connie and
that is your temperament and you're kind of laid back
and you are called to work in a marketing firm,
which is big exciting, but all that's not and you
love that, and that's what you're called to do. When
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they come and say the next campaign is coming out
we're releasing this and it's gonna be big, and we're
all in their face and they're like, please, you're in
my space. I'm working on this project. I'm excited about
the project. And people like Melon Connie's. I'll give you
an example. They want to be invited in. They want
to be inviting in just to see enough, but they
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don't want to be out front with that. They don't
want you in their face, invading their space. Some of
us who are space hoggers that like to touch people,
my mom will grab you by the face and said,
why she doesn't like that look at her face. I
used to think that was okay, but because now that
I understand, that's not their temperament. Yeah, you have to
pull yours, but your temperament is your because your love
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language is touch.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
All these works together.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
So the correlation here is is that you have to
understand that God has given you a certain success and
a certain joy that fits you. It does not mean
that what you demonstrate is what you desired.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's another thing.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
There were people who demonstrate, oh many people demonstrate they
are absolutely the greatest cheerleader, but they may not want
you to cheer for them because they want.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
To keep low.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yes, I get it. I hope you're getting this. You
all people like you.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
You don't like a lot of alarmelightness.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I do not period.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You don't want to be in front and censer. That's
not what you do, correct? Can you do it? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
But because your purpose is to train and to teach
other people, your style of teaching them is what God
has called you to do it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Everybody's not gonna get you, doctor Chen right, everybody that's okay.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So a lot of times we're misunderstood, we're mishandled, we're
misjudged because of.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
How God created us to be.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
You are predesigned intrinsically your DNA for certain people, and
the problem with many of us, we don't care how
we get it, long as we get it.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
That's not the way.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
People say.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
People say, particularly about people that are popular.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Instead of telling people to be significant, they say stuff
like bad press is better than no press, The devil
is a lot. Why would you want bad press? Why
would you want negativity? So as long as your name
is out there, that's good. That's not good. It's not good.
So when you begin to understand this thing about me
is black and white, some things out better be careful
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with I'm the kind of person and I think, and
this is just grace here.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I've never tried drugs, never had a joint, not.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
One in my whole life. God knew my personality. He
never let me allow me to do that. Come on,
you and somebody, come on now. My personality is big, right.
My temperament is I could be addictive.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
So if I got on drugs, it would be awful.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I'm hearing you.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I would be out of I would be it would
be ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I'm hearing you're helping somebody today.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
It would be sad that I might not come back. See.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Some people look upon some things and they never be
the same again. Somethings that I don't do. Some some
things that's I'm like, even on social media, I don't even.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Look at them. They get to come to mind.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I get rid of it right away because I know
there is a spirit, that there's a seducer.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Spirit, one that would love to have me.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And because now I'm learning my temperament how and I'll
give you an example. I'm very empathetic as it relates
to people, So sometimes I can feel sorry for the
wrong thing. God don't need me to feel sorry for things.
He needs to empower things, empower people. He wants me
to be compassionate. But passion is fire, it burns. So
you help me careful that you don't take your Scynthianism
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and sprod it on everybody else. You know, because you're so,
you think you're so, and people just don't understand. You
don't want to be. I don't want you uncomfortable. That's
not my goal. My goal is to get this out.
My goal is to lay this out so that we
can get it done. But the way I get it done,
I have to be careful. That's why I have a
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piece in my book that says, although there's nothing new
under the sun, the way doctor Chen was called to
do it just as not being done. You and I
are not doing anything new and different. We're called to do.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Right in the way we're wired. So we're wired. I've
had people years ago. I taught years ago this I
mean at least seventeen years ago. There was a I
used to be a superintendent and director of a Sunday
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school of a megachurch, right and one of the things
that I was helping the teachers and the leaders through
was discovering their purpose because I found out that people
want to do things that they're not necessarily called to do.
They see that other people doing something, Oh, I would
like to do that, but they don't have the grace,
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the calling, the anointed, the stamina of the tack right,
the information. They don't do the work. And so this
one woman, I'll never forget it. At the time, she
was in her sixties, and as we went through and
did the work, now this was not with the temperament,
and she said to me, I've been wanting to discover
my purpose all my life, and why have I gotten
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so old? And I'm just now discovering this. So this
is my question to you. Why is it important that
people don't just understand their purpose, but they need to
also understand their temperament as well? What is the What
are the cons of just knowing your purpose and not
your temperament.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Because you can get to that place a purpose where
you're supposed to be, but if you don't understand the
inclinations that are on the inside of you, you will
absolutely mess up that place you're supposed to be. And
I'll tell you something else. It's not just that it's
I keep this in front of me all the time.
It talks about you better know where you're supposed to be.
Where is it an education? Which mountain are you supposed
(27:47):
to be in? Uh huh See, that's another thing. We
don't understand that some of us are called to entertainment
in certain levels in certain places. Oh, that's trash, that's nothing.
People don't entert and need to be understand their temperament.
They need to be saved, they need to be cared for, mentored.
(28:07):
Mentoring is very important, whether you're in politics, whether you
in arts and entertainment, whether you're everybody. God has all
of it for all of us, and each person should
understand where they're called to be. So if that inclination
for you is not to be at the church training
because it looks good to be at the church, to
be a pastor, a leader, the supervisor over this and
(28:30):
the supervisor over that, right, But you don't have a
temperament for study.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
People don't. People are lazy.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Oh, I used to be lazy until I started doing this.
We're lazy and we're comfortable. And you know why we're
comfortable because grace. Because God's not gonna let your shoes
run out, doctor Chen, that's a promise. But so we
take advantage of that, so my shoes are not worn out.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
So I'm okay. No, you're not okay.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
You're totally out of them. You're on the wrong track
and in the wrong lane. You're not fulfilling what you're
called to do. There's so much more to you than that,
because everything with us started as a mustard steve faith.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But you're not to stay there.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
When you started teaching and training and started learning it first,
you didn't own Linda Chen ministries. You have ministries that's
being both now throughout in different communities. You have a
library as extingueds you why it grew it grew, And
if he can trust you with little, then he'll give
you much and he can accelerate the little. But you've
got to get the foundation of the little. And that's
(29:31):
why understanding the correlation between purpose and temperament. Okay, I'm
called to do this, but how am I called to
do it? Everyone you ask this date this is the question.
I just want to help people, But.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
How whoo plumbers help people?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Which is beautiful howerful people make like vocational jobs.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's a beautiful thing. What is wrong with vocational school?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Powerful?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
How are we to do what we're called to do?
Are we supposed to be doctors?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Not the moment with that?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
See and another thing that would trip us up is
you come from a legacy of family.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Because DNA is DNA.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It runs through the blood your families who have legacy careers.
Everyone's a doctor, everyone's attorney, everyone's an accountant. You might
be apple, that little seed in the apple that says,
but I want to run a non profit.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Come on, keep talking work.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
With little kids.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I want to make jewelry because we have a tendency
to think. Because if you want to make jewelry, God's
going to send people to you that like jewelry that
you need to coach and train and mentor and teach them.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
About what they're called to do.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Kingdom is minute. Say that again, nothing in the king
nothing in the world is minute. If it's a skill
in a talent, listen.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
That is that.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I hope somebody is hearing that. Don't permit And I'm
want to just admonish parents. Please don't put your children
in a box. Please don't decide what your children need
to be and what they need to do. As a
profession lead and guid you train them up in the
way that they should go so that when they're old
(31:13):
they don't depart. But it's up to us to study
our children to see the way in which they should go,
and not to force them into a certain thing. And
so I also, I would say, you said so much.
I'm trying to backtrack you.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But let me tell you this, like calorics with personality, right,
it says we had this recently talked about. So we
emotionally drive things. We emotionally drive because we emotional people.
We drive things on our emotions, right, and then we
when it's not done our way, we're not.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Happy because of our emotionalisms.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Or emotionalism because we got this ploric personality.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
They rejected me. No, they didn't reject you. You had a.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Pre ordained thought process or a premeditated way you wanted
this thing to go and didn't go that way.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
So now you're leaving U. Man, I'm not gonna work
with doctor chat no more.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
You're not working with her anymore because I came in
with this brilliant idea because I drive things because I
like things done by process. This other person like things
done by a different way, a different system.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
So then her way is not right for me.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
So we have to understand the correlation, the correlation of
understanding who you are.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Then you learn to blend better.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Then you learn to be appreciative of other things that
are different than you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So hearing you say two things, so of the phlegmatic
and the choleric, right, and the melancholy and the whatever,
the fourth and fifth one are none of them are
mad the same, none of them are bad. What she's
saying is they all must work together. None is better
than the other, none is worse than the other. And
(33:01):
I've had a situation where I've managed people. I've managed
a few people, and I've managed a whole lot of people.
And I was able, by the grace and observing people,
to be able to move people from one position to
the other because I understood temperament right, because I understood that, yes,
(33:25):
you're good at this, but your temperament is not good here.
And that's one of the things I wish, as you
mentioned one of the mountains of the systems in education,
I wish we would get it. In education, not everyone
is called to be a teacher, Not everyone has the
temperament to be a teacher or an engineer, or a
scientist or a physician, right when you don't have to
(33:46):
bet you got the brains of a doctor, but you
don't have the bedside manner, the bedside manner the things.
And so I got one more question I want to
ask you. Then we're going to bring Audrey on, because
what I like to do is Audrey listens in the background,
and then I like to bring her in to see
what she gets out of it at her perspective.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But I want to ask you this other question.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, it's kind of two in general conversation and your
engagement with people, because you engage people from all walks
of life, all economic backgrounds, right nationalities and all of that.
How do you discover when a person is not walking
(34:28):
in their purpose and according according to their temperament? And
what do you do with that?
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So sometimes it's difficult because temperament is not observable, very
easily observable.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It has to be assessed.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
So sometimes we think we know somebody, but if they've
not been assessed, be careful with your judgment, because you're
not you're not always careful. They're not always correct in
what you're thinking. It's not something that's easily observed. Now,
one of the things I do know about people who
are not walking in there in their temperament and and
their purpose according to the temperament, is it's all about them.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
It's about the success of them. It's about.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
How great they've done and and and they they're big
on what they've accomplished. People who walk in purpose and
who understand their temperament quickly throws it. They give God
so much glory because they realize this was only you. Yeah,
no way, not just God. They're willing for somebody else
(35:31):
to come forward. I run the protection department at my church.
I don't necessarily want to say anything. I just want
to help write and get them disseminate the message out
because I don't want it to look like, oh, she
did good, she's great. Because if I have to watch myself,
I can like things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Say that, oh that's good, Admitte.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
So I've learned if if it's about me and look
how good I am, a better watch it because it
might be that it's.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
A self glory.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
It's it's a personal something that and God is saying, no,
I'm just using you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Even in corporate America. Listen, you are a commodity to
get the job done. We're using you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
That's why we pay you one hundred and forty six
thousand dollars a year to do this job as a
systems a principal systems engineer. We're using your skill set
to help make things better.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
But it's not about you. It's about the customer on.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The other end, the end user, right, it's the end user.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
So what God is saying to us in terms of
understanding when I look at people and I say, oh,
but that doesn't really match. You're concerned about how did
the end users feel about it? What was their respect
of what you did? Is it making a difference? Are
you providing a solution? Solution providers? See, that's what God
(36:57):
has called all of us to be the answer, an
answer to somebody, answer to someone.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, answer to some one's problem.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
And if you're not answering someone's problem, but you're fulfilling
your pocket and it looks good because let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I remember working in corporate America. Had an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I made so much money at Kaiser And I was
sitting in my office one day and I said, and
I started crying, I said, And I said why, And
there was a second time I heard God audible. He said, one,
you're divorced. Now you need to be able to take
care of yourself in the style that you like. And
I was shocked. And then he said to me, I'm
(37:40):
you for something else. At the time, I was interviewing people,
interviewing people, interviewing high level IT executives, teaching me how
to deal with executives, yes, how to interview them. Shortly
thereafter I started up my own radio show. Who was
I interviewing the Maya Jelloes of the world, The James Borough.
(38:02):
God was taking that very skill set of interviewing, and he.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Just transferred it from you over corporate America.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
That transferred me over to the real place that he
would have me to be, because if not, I would
have been intimidated to go into a corporate environment and
train an executive staff or team.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. Listen,
we're gonna bring Audrey on, but I want to ask
you right here and right now, would you come back,
because there's so many things that you do and that
you're really good at and talk about the government piece
of what you do for other people, and how you
match up people with government contracts and how you got
(38:42):
in it what we don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah, you come back to that. How come I can
talk about that?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, that thing?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
There is something else.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Thank you, Audrey, Audrey, I'm mad. Great, great show.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Great. It was so funny because I was sitting here,
so I turned the camera off because I don't want
to distract anybody. I could be moving in the background,
so I always turn the camera, but I'm listening. I
had three instances, well I thought about temperament, and it
was funny because I had the laugh to myself. So
the first one when was when I got out of college.
My brother got out of college right My brother's an educator,
(39:19):
and he said to me, you should be a teacher.
And I was like, I don't have a temperament for it.
I know I didn't have a temperament. So he has
three children.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
I have one.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I knew I didn't have the temperament to be a teacher,
so I said, no, no, no, no. He's still an
educator to this day, like thirty something years I knew
that wasn't me. The time I realized I wasn't. I
didn't have that temperament was. I worked in a hospital
for eight and a half years, right, and I was
in the union. So I felt like, well, I'm in
the hospital. Now listen to this, because you said something
(39:49):
about this. It was about money. I'm in the hospital,
I'm in a union. I can go to school for free,
go to school and be a nurse. Yep, I'm gonna
go to Schoolmnna be a nurse. I do two years
of nursing school, get to my clinicals, and quit the
second day. The first day of clinicals, had to change
the colossomity bag. They came out the room. They said,
what you're doing. I was standing against the wall like this,
(40:12):
and it's wrong. I said, I can't do this. Two
years wasted, and then the last time was I get
I get approached every year of y'all about going into politics,
running for some kind of office, and I tell them, I, Audrey,
do not have the temperament.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And this is my term every time. I don't have the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Temperament to be a politician. I'm a little girl from Newton,
New Jersey. I don't have the temperament to be a politician.
And so I thought that was pretty interesting, and I
was laughing because I was like, yeah, you need to
know yourself, know thyself. And I thought that was pretty interesting.
So I had a question though, for people who think
that their purpose is their temperament, you know, how do
(40:52):
they discover that it's not because they think that, you
know this, it's my purpose, it's who I'm supposed to
be in the really suck at that. And I and
I could tell you I talked there at least one
day that feel because I'm walking in purpose, and I
asked much to be about that part.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Most people have never been assessed temper have their temperment
assessed in the world. It is a new it's kind
of we we we assess Myers Briggs and disc a
lot amazing and then these are some amazing profiles out
of here deal with personality. There was strengths, weaknesses, But
it's not temperament. This temperament is authors it's DNA. It's
intrinsic behavior. You can't tell it by as I said earlier,
(41:33):
by just by just and see this is why most
of us for years, instead of managing it, we've manipulated
and just a matter of time.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Blood this is right.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You'll get worn out and you are burnout and you're frustrated,
and you're like, God, where are you? He said, I'm
waiting on you to be obedient to the call that
I have for you.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I made you this way, but you see it that way. Yeah,
and so easy to say.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
They got to be upset. They must have themselves assessed.
You can't tell temperament by it just now as you're mature,
and particularly when you study wisdom. When we always at
this megachurch, and I love one of the things I
loved about the Bible study or the study.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And the prayer. There was me and a partner, Dan Yelle.
Never forget it.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
We used to study the Book of Proverbs and I'm
getting back to that. On a daily basis. We would
commit proverbs to memory because God showed me that a
wise person, because see, wisdom comes from God right knowledge
that all these other things are great.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
And that's what we think. I don't need no knowledge
that you do. You need both.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
You need to be knowledgeable and you need to be
have wisdom wise. Yeah, you have to be wise. You
have to have You have to have wisdom because he says,
think on these things that are true.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
You have to understand that He says.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
If you like wisdom, what he tells the Book of James,
what do he say, ask he gives liberty. And I
was studying one day and all these things. Now, I said, Lord,
show me some whirling things that match up with this.
So I put in the word agorithms. And he had
all these scriptures that I'd used all my life. Because
my girlfriend was like, but you got to get your
algorithms right, I said, I got to get the call
right with God, and he'll line up the algorithms. I
(43:14):
can't focus my life on that if I'm not in
line with the wisdom of God. Understand where he's driving me.
So the scriptures will tell us if we seek him,
he will put the thing.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Listen. I was seeking God. He sent me doctor John
Wayne Worley.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
I was helping him in his government business, and in
turn he introduced me to this temperament piece, which I
didn't even.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Know if he existed at this level.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
All I thought was purpose, purpose, purpose, purpose, purpose purpose.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
But I didn't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So tell us someplace people can go to get their temperament.
It says, yere's not.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
A lot of places to go.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
You can come to the sea, you can come to
the Purpose and Temperament Institute.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We will assess you.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
We are putting together a team of professionals that we're certifying.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
People say, oh, you.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Could just go get No, no, no, I don't even
want people who are not serious about the hearts of
other people, serious about the work and the efforts of
other people. So I am careful who I choose to
be on my team. Right now, I have two ladies
on my team, and we're looking for about two or
three more, maybe five more people. But we assess you,
and then we sit down with you and we show
(44:29):
you you on paper and if it's like me personally.
First I said, that's not me, Doctor Worley, that's not me.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
He said, dorg Okay, So we're gonna So they can
go to see Harper dot com. You see where you
can go.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
And then you're there.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
We have the Purpose and Temperament Institute in there and
inside to see our enterprises. You can find the Purpose
and Temperament Institute where you can sign up and we
will reach back to you, send you.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
The profile, get you started.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
And then we would sit down with you and train
you either individually or in a group corporate wise.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
We do it in groups, large numbers, yeah, individuals.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
We spend time with people that really really trying to
move their career, their lives, their movement to another place
to help them understand somewhere we did recently, and this
guy said, that's why I failed.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Right here?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Of course, that's okay. At least you seek it out
to get up.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
So what she's saying is what the Purpose and Temperament
Institute does is it sets you on the path to
doing what you're born in birth and wired to do,
and that helps us live an abundant life, a joyful life,
a purpose filled life. And or do I want to ask?
Usually said, you had another question right quick? I know
(45:52):
we gotta go.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I did. I wanted to make a comment, a comment,
and then we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
We'll be so last week twice last week, Proverb was
brought up to me twice, and I was like, okay,
I gotta read Proverbs twice.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
This morning I woke up at six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I had to go exercise with my daughter, but before
I walked out the door, I read Proverbs.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I started to read it again, and then you brought
it up again.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I'm like, okay, so it's something I was supposed to
know and read inside of Proverbs because I hadn't read
it in the years literally, and it was brought up
to my attention twice and I'm like, okay, so now
I have to figure out what that was. The other
thing I wanted to just you said something at the
beginning of the show. You said, they have taken advantage
of grace? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Because God is so good he hasn't given us what
we deserved. And we go over and over again we
do the same thing, and we said, oh, God, forgive me.
This is you're getting by this. I promise I never
do this again. And He graces us through it. The
shoes don't run out. He extends himself over and over
and over with this amazing grace and we think we're okay,
(46:55):
but it's a sad part if we see him and
he says, but you didn't do it God called you
to do. We need a well done. And this is
what purpose and temperament would do for you. You know how
you go out and eat and you're not fulfilled and
you're like, oh, that was okay. And the way it
comes back into the table over here, they bring something. Really,
I want some of that. That's what purpose and temperament
(47:15):
is for you when you're not satisfied and you're not
full of what you do, because they'll come to you
and is Mighty gonna send you some coffee this week?
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Can you?
Speaker 5 (47:23):
Can you sell our coffee product of every week? Somebody
got something new for you.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
So the bottom line is this, everyone wants to live
a purpose filled life. I don't care who you are.
You are, I don't hear if you believe in the
Lord Jesus as we do. We're believers in the Lord.
This is a faith based show, but we keep it real.
The thing too, is that we do take advantage of grace.
But I want to say this to somebody until God
(47:51):
will turn you over to a reprobate mind, which means
we can keep doing and keep doing and keep doing
things our way, and at some point God will say
to you, if we continue to live this obedient is fine.
You want to do it your way, go ahead and
do it your way. That's not a good place to be.
So I want to encourage you all to go to
(48:13):
see Harper Enterprises it is dot com and get to
the place where you are living a fulfilled and happy
and purpose filled life, not for yourself, but because other
people in the world need you.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Absolutely your needs the word fulfilled, your feel your mother
wanting to say, and mother, willn't you're ready to go home?
Speaker 4 (48:36):
No, baby, I ain't satisfied.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I'm satisfied almost. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Doctor Harper.
We thank you, thank you, thank you. Love the energy,
the wisdom, the knowledge that you bring. Dis love it
and I love you so very much. Thank you for
your Yes, we appreciate you. Love you, Audrey, do what
you do and take us home. My sister friend listen.
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