March 18, 2025 • 46 mins
Dr. Linda P. Chinn is a native of New London, CT who currently resides in Douglasville, GA. She fulfills her mission of uprooting and pulling down false belief systems in the lives of God's people to build them up by planting in them the incorruptible seed of the living Word through her various ministries. Dr. Chinn is an accomplished entrepreneur and the creator of Linda Chinn Ministries as well as the founder of Christian Women in Training Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Chin. This
is the podcast where real life choices need biblical truth
without the flock. Tune in every second and fourth Monday
at two pm Eastern Standard Time as doctor Chen shares
faith filled, practical insights to navigate everyday challenges. Get ready
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for real talk, real life and real answers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to another episode
of Keeping the Rebel Doctor Lindershin. I am Audrey Bell Kearney,
the producer. We've got a great show for you today.
Self belief. That is a big that's a small set
of words with a big meeting, and we're happy to
have it today. Doctor ten has an amazing guest. His
name is mister Charles Chuck Potter. He is a mentor,
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he is a media professional. He's going to be joining
her today to talk about self belief, which means you're
an employt treat because without self belief you have nothing.
Some believe in God. Let me say that, self belief
in God, you have nothing. So without that, So without
further do, I'm gonna bring Doctor Tin to the stage
along with her guests, mister mister Chuck Potter.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good after Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Good to see you,
Audrey and Chuck Potter. How are you all doing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I am well, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know what's crazy is normally I'm running to the
studio to get here because doctor Tin is always here.
I was like, I'm early today. I felt good about that.
I'm early today, I'm on time, I'm not running, so
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
How about you, sir, I am.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
High stressed, but I am well. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, listen, this is a low stressing environment. You'll be
just fine. Relaxed.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Doctor Tin is amazing. She makes everybody relax, so you'll
be fine.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Thank you both.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All right, all right, doctor Tin, I'm going to step down.
You guys take it away, and I'll be right over
here on the other side of the camera if you
need me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Thank you, Thank you so much, Adre, y'all. And at
the end, I got to give Audrey a shout out.
I got to tell you how amazing she is. But
right now we want to say thank you Audrey for
bringing us on, and thank you Chuck for joining us
today on keeping it real with doctor Chin. You mean
so much to me and I don't know why I'm
getting ready to get emotional. But you mean so much
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to me, and you have brought so much wisdom and
guidance to my own personal life. And I believe that
we're on the cusp of a wonderful relationship with podcasting
even together. And I know you're going to do your own,
but I welcome you to the show. How you doing?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Thank you? I think I'm fine. I can't. I don't
understand my feelings.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That's okay, that's all good.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I want to apologize to your audience right away because
I made some foolish choices when I was young, and
I tried to rid the world with marijuana, and now
I have COPD, so sometimes I have to stop and
go caugh.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I will mute Gough in return as necessary.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Thank you for that. I believe you're gonna be fine,
but thank you for that. We appreciate it. So I
want to ask you so I could tell you he
is a career communicator and a mentor, and you know,
served more than ten years and four different professions. He's
newspaper reporter, radio host, columnist, all of that, and so
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he's just an amazing guy. And I want you I've
said that but I want you to tell us a
little bit about Chuck Potter.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I love love, and ironically this is Linda Chin ministries.
So in my communication world and what she does, I
refer to her as the preacher and myself as the reacher,
because candidly, I'm not necessarily a religious guy. I do
believe in God, and I do believe in faith, and
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I do believe in the Creator. My model to young
people when I talk to them is hard work, loving, kindness,
compound interest and faith. And I live. I live those words.
I live kindness. I think kindness is fun. I love
to present kindness in the face of angst and anger
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because I think it is the most de weaponizing tool
when somebody is mad or angry with you, to present
with kindness, it knocks down barriers. Yes, kind of how
I live. I'm ay, I love my family. All that
stuff you.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Do, and it shows. Some people can say it, but
you do show it. And whether you realize it or not,
what you stated is scriptural, and Proverbs tells us one
of the Scriptures says a soft answer turns away wrath.
So when people are going crazy, that's really what you said, basically,
But I want to get into some thing is about
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self belief, and I'm listening. Listen, I'm gonna start out
with a disc with a what do you call it?
A retraction? So I posted something, mister Potter and I
talked about something briefly earlier, and I posted something early
in the week. It was a quote by Kobe Bryant,
and at least that's what the post was, because sometimes
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people post face and say words, and that person didn't
say that. So but the statement was if you don't
believe in your no one else will. And I thought
about that afterwards, and Chuck and I talked about it,
and I don't believe that. And I say that because
this is the man who believed in me before I
believed in myself. But mister Potter, this is one thing
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I wanted to say. I wanted to say that right
quick off the bat. But and if you want to
comment or not, that's fine, So Garden comment on that.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Let's do I trusted people know our relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I haven't said a word, but you can share it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Go for it, all right, mister Potter, I would almost
be more comfortable, she said, Child jr. Uh Kenya Key.
Linda is my younger sister. I have a sister younger
than she is, but she's my younger sister and I
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was extremely protective of her growing up. But to get
directly to the Kobe comment, the alleged Kobe comment, what
she said is opposite too. She believes in me now.
And one of the reasons I chose this topic today
is to be candid about the fact that I struggle
with self belief. I don't know. I don't know that
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I will ever reach the success of which I know
I have the potential. I have a fear of failure
and I have a fear of success, and it's a daily,
daily challenge. So but I know that doctor Chin believes
in me. I have six other brothers and sisters who
I know believe in me. I have friends that I
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know believe in me, friends that tell me go for it. Chuck,
do your writing, man. Everything you say, man, we love it.
I light up places where I am with humor, truth
and comfort. But I still don't have I'm just not
I don't know if I'm not sure, I'm not worthy.
I don't know, but I keep pushing forward and hope
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I arrived.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I love the transparency. I love the transparency. So are
you self confident, Chuck, I call them Charles. Are you
self confident?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yes, I have a lot of self Weirdly, I'm a
little shy. Overcome my shyness, I'm gregarious. M hm. So
I have self confidence. I believe every shot I hit
in golf is going to do exactly as I expected to.
I believe that any communication I get in with, if
it's a hard person who disagree with my political philosophies,
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I believe that I can keep that in a mellow,
peaceful conversation. And I enjoy that challenge to not let
somebody go off the handle about how right or how
wrong we are. So I have a lot of self confidence,
but my self belief, as far as rising to new platitudes,
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scares the heck out of me. So I think self
confidence and self belief go hand in hand. But I
think self confidence can exist alongside a lack of self belief.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because the fact of the matter,
and I just thought about this, the fact of the
matter is you can have confidence in what you're doing
but not believe in yourself. Yeah, right, as the person.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Why do you believe self belief is important?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
If you want to get somewhere, you have to believe
you're going to get there. Well, as Henry Ford. It's
always attributed to Henry Ford, who said, if you think
you can, or you think you can't, you're right. Yeah,
so you have to believe that you can do. I
believe I could create a worldwide podcast. I struggle to
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believe that. Yeah, a struggle. I'm so proud of her
for doing this. She's put herself out there. I'll sit
beside you in a situation and I'll tell you so
much of my truth and so much of what I believe.
And I think I come from some good standpoints. But
could I do this on a daily I don't know.
Could I go challenge and play golf in a competitive
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environment across the state, even at my age and my
age group and my skill level, I don't know. I
struggle with that self belief. And to be a champion,
you have to absolutely believe you are a champion. And
I am trying to build my truth, my strength, yeah,
inner faith, to be better tomorrow if I can get
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a tea time.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So this is how I struggle with self belief all
my life too, low self worth, low self esteem, so
this is my thing. Where does it come from? Where
do you believe self belief comes from?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I think it comes from a level that success builds success.
But when you take on something new, you have to
find a way to believe that you will win or successful.
I wish I knew where it was. If it was
at five under, I'd go get a couple of them.
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That's the store, right five and under.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
New star five and under coming I got five. See
that's your humor. I love it. That's that wit.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So I'm going to do better in what area in
being in self belief? Today's today matters, this moment, This
moment matters.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So I could say, and I have thought of the
question where does self belief begin? Meaning what is its foundation?
If where do you think it begins? Where do you
think it's birthed?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Perhaps parenting, mentoring, teaching, Somebody has to let you know
you can. And it's an interesting thing because I grew
up at a time when the average black person. In fact,
one hundred years ago, I remember writing that one of
the problems with black success or the inability of blacks
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to succeed, was because we came from generations of no,
you can't you are a slave. For four hundred years,
we were taught you could not believe. And then when
freedom came about, nobody told my great grandfather or you
can be great. Nobody told my grandfather, you can be great.
And I think my dad was the first image of
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you can be great. This guy came from what he
came from, which was not in high school education, which
was not a college education. And he served on committees
and boards and created and made things happen in this
town where we are, where I am, in the state, yeah,
and the state. Yeah. He did great things. I did
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great things. I remember chatting with my dad and Governor L. T. Grosso.
This is a dude that came from you know, Virginia
was in the army with an all black unit. So
that was the first generation I thought could be great.
The next generation, which is us seven. He had seven
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of us, and I used to use the phrase new
and improved. That's what we can now expect of every
generation to be new and improved, which was an old
school marketing slogan for many many products, the new and
improved shavings, the new and improved pantyhose. In fact, I
remember when panty hose became the new and improved Stockings,
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so new and improved, and our generations have done that.
My brothers and sisters children are absolutely wonderful and absolutely
on the path to glory. They are doing wonderful of
the cloud family based things. Yes, and so I have
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no reason to not have more self belief.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So I believe part of the foundation. So this is me,
minister of the Gospel. I studied the Bible. I read
it every day, but I don't study it every day.
But I there's a scripture Philippius four thirteen that says
you can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthened you.
I read it, but I don't know that I believed it.
So for my in my opinion and in my experience,
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I had to have people tell me that I can
do it. And I'll be straight up honest with you.
Audrey Bell is one of the reasons why I podcast.
I met her at a networking event virtually, so I've
known her from going on foremost five years. I just
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met her face to face last October. But she kept
encouraging me and oh, you can do this, you can
do this, And then she had this class that I
took off how to podcast, and she kept saying you
can do this, and other people kept saying you should
do this. But the reason I went forth not because
or just because people told me I could do it,
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but because I knew I had a mandate from God.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I love to be in the background. And I was
big and bad enough. You know, there's such a thing
as being called but I was being bad enough to
tell God. I told you. I didn't want to be upfront,
not sense repenting. But I ain't stupid now. So but
I believe that the foundations there are many that help
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people come to a place of self belief.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yes, what some people push back say, I have no
reason to not believe. I just keep pushing back. And
I didn't intend for this. I knew I was going
to make this revelation today that I struggle with self belief.
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So I think I think when I chose this, I
think my be a sister thought, oh good, he's going
to deliver this message of how he covered so much self.
You all need to know.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He's keeping it real.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Is keeping it real? That's real, that's real, that's really real,
really really real. So but and my waning religion perhaps
has not delivered me to a place where I have
received a mandate to go do and whoo.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
But you're wired that way. You're wired that way. So
for people who are listening, whether you believe in God
or not, whether you believe or not, that you've had
a man indeed, when you're wired to do a certain thing,
I say, go for it, go for it, because sometimes
belief comes as you go. Sometimes self belief comes as
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you go. I'm gonna say this too, Chuck, that sometimes
you can have the wrong people around you who don't
believe in you, who are always nudging and digging, and
you know, like, think about the people I know many
people who grew up with parents who say, you know,
you ain't never gonna be anything, You're never gonna make it,
and if you don't do this, you're not gonna do that.
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And so I know people who struggle with that because
that's all they ever heard, that you'll never do anything
and never be anybody. Well, if that's your story, then
you're believing the wrong person. You're believing in their words.
And we're saying today, I'm believe in yourself now, Chuck,
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I will say this. I wasn't sure what message you
were gonna deliver. Because one of the questions is that
I had thought to ask you, was have you ever
struggled with self belief? And you already addressed that, So
I'm going to ask you. Do you you have four sons,
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do you talk to them about self belief? How do
you encourage them to believe in themselves?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I don't have to talk to him about it anymore
because we've had that conversation at the kitchen table. You know, again, candidly,
one of my sons I didn't get to know well
until he was about twelve or thirteen years old. But
we have a wonderful, wonderful relationship now, and he might
have some of my self belief in his house because
he has so much self belief. That child believes he
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could climb mountains on his hands, and God bless him
for that. He is also a wonderful wounded warrior, retired
veteran soldier. He is also the father of a army soldier.
So yes, beautiful, and the father in law. So but
my own children, I Dave grown up pretty independent and
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my wife is a strong, strong woman. I'm blessed. I'm
absolutely blessed. So self belief has been around my table.
I'm the only one. It's ironic. My younger sister Kenya
has done amazing, amazing things, my brother John and Terry,
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and all of our family. I be candidate. There are
two college degrees among our seven children. Okay, wait, how
many degrees do you have?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I have four?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Okay, so there's five among our family, her four and
my associates. But every one of my mother's children is
a successful human. Yeah, we've done things. So there is
belief in our family. There's strength in our family. And
as a mentor to students, I'll say this. I spent
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twelve years as a behavior specialist, a behavior motivator, and
an in school suspension supervisor. So I've been spending years
teaching young people not just to believe in themselves, but
to discover new things to believe. Because when you grow
up in the inside the walls of the ghetto, inside
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the walls of poverty, inside the walls of single parenthood,
inside the walls of domestic disputes, inside the walls of
hustlers and schemers, and all of those people that are
crawling the street, I believe as a parent, my job
is to play defense but when children grow up in
those circumstances, they need somebody to say, there's a big
world out there that you can have a part of,
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and you need to believe in yourself to go get that.
So I have been preaching what I have been struggling
to practice, and so now I need to practice more
of what I preach. But self belief is an important
It is important part of the vehicle to rise above
the noise.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So I just had this image come pop into my mind.
People don't birth themselves. The mother has to push. I
guess some babies would just pop out, but for the
most part, the mother has to push and then the
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child comes out into the world. And we all need
a push. We all need a midwife. That's kind of
what Audrey does. She does amazing things, but we all
need a midwife, someone telling us, come on, you can
do it, breathe and push, and then us pushing that
thing out as well. And so what are the common
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things when you think about all the people you've ever
talked to, interviewed, been around golf course, radio, television, all
of that, what would you say is the common denominator
among those who lack self belief and what's the common
denominat of those who do believe in themselves in your experience.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I can't. I can't narrow that. I think I think
a lot of people have a fear of success.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Oh yeah, a.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Lot of people fear exposure to the whole world. Now,
I tell my truths candidly, and I tell my truths.
I have a thing I call bar culture. I like
to sit and have me a glass kool aid and
check with people around me. And I have two three
favorite places I tell my truths. I tell them with humor,
I tell them with candor, and sometimes I tell them
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with pain. One of my truths. So I'm willing to
be exposed there. I don't know how well I'll be
received if I expose this more broadly. I was a
writer and fifty thousand people used to read me every week.
I had listeners on radio every week Potter Show, a
coffee pot look, I had, you know. So I've done
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this so I don't understand myself. I don't know what
the common denominator is in a lack of self belief.
And in fact, I I applaud all of the people
who use social media to test their level of ability
to rise. That's part of why I'm starting to believe
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because I know I have this kind of talent, and
now there's new vehicles to use this talent. So my
faith is growing. Uh. I don't know what the common
denominator is.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I wish I did so I heard I heard something
when you spoke, and and we had someone who commented,
I'm gonna get this, and King and McIntyre said, Muhammad
Ali said, to be a champion, you must believe you
are the best. If you're not, pretend you are. If
that's how we make say fake it till you make
it right, pretend you well. It heard two things that
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you said about the radio and when you were a commonist.
So it's different. And perhaps the fear or the hesitation
is that now you're putting yourself out there. Lives see.
It's different to write. It's different to be behind in
a radio station where people can't get to you. But
this is what I learned with podcasting and speaking, is
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that I don't have to respond to my critics. I
don't even have to respond to them and listen. Even
as a minister of the gospel, you can minister in
a church at a conference somewhere, people don't always receive
you there either, right, and so when you are who
you are, and it's more painful to withhold who you
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are than it is to put yourself out there and
say what has become my latest saying over the last
probably three hundred and sixty five days, Jimmy crack Corn.
I'm gonna get out what's in me so that I
am not constipated, so to speak. You understand what I'm saying, right,
And I don't have to respond to my critics, because Chuck,
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you do have You can speak on many topics. You
do your research, you love etymology, and your humorous and
so on the radio, you could come out with your
wit and respond. If you had a naysayer, writer, someone
come on who disagreed with you, and live you don't
have to respond to them at all. Well, but you
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have too much to give to withhold.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Perhaps I need to look back a little bit because
I think maybe one of the things that got me
was I don't want to say it necessarily didn't like
negative reviews. But because I didn't necessarily abide by the
negative reviews that I got when I wrote, people would
write back. I didn't like that I didn't like that.
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I didn't like people saying no, he's wrong, what a
stupid idea. In fact, when I wrote, my biggest complaint
about my responses from my readers was that black people
thought I was too black. I mean, black people thought
I wasn't black enough, and white people thought I was
too black, and that kind of chased me away. So
that might have something to do with it, as we
delve here, is that I got pushed aside. So maybe
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I need to believe it myself more.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, And since say Jimmy crack con, that's and I
don't care. That's why I've gotten to a place in
my sixties here where I was too much in my
head and I used to think so much about what
people thought. I have a niece, she and I are
very close, and I remember when I started the Bible Institute,
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I was teaching classes and teaching classes, and I kept saying,
I've got to do this as a business because too
many people wanted to come to the women's Bible study.
And so a mentor of mine saying, why don't you
name it Linda Chin Ministry's Institute of Biblical Studies, And
I had the conversation with my niece and I said, then,
you know, people are gonna say, who is she to
start an institute? I said, they're gonna say, who's she
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to start an institute? And my niece said to me,
who are they? Who are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Wow? Besides William and Mary did it and that's college.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So I want you, I will This is my challenge
to you publicly. You're gonna come back on and you're
gonna share something you did to defy that part of
yourself that says I don't believe in myself. I struggle.
I think a lot, like you said, a lot more
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people struggle with it than we know. I honestly, honestly
believe that. Someone said to me when I was telling
them that you're gonna be on the show, they said,
I love to hear him talk. Hearing him talk is
like a warm blanket, and the more he talks, the
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lighter it gets. And I thought, that's the most beautiful
thing that I've ever heard someone say about my brother.
I know how I feel, and for someone else to
say it, I think it's beautiful. So when we don't
believe in ourselves, people, I don't care what you have
to offer. There's something. It's something when you don't believe
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in yourself and you withhold because you don't believe in yourself,
you're robbing other people. You're robbing you know.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I'm listening, I'm thinking, and I'm going back to what
I said about people responding to my columns. I still
have a letter somewhere where somebody want to know what
kind of slave I was a house in or feel in.
I laughed at it because it was so poorly written.
It was so poorly written, it was so in fact,
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it had like minds that weren't even sentences, and I
kept that. So I'm here and I'm thinking, maybe I
don't have I don't lack in self belief, I just
lack in I don't need to give mine. I don't
need to expose myself to your negativity. I can love
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me the way I want to love me. But I
do believe I have offerings. So I'm listening to you.
I'm sitting here and I am praying, and I am
saying that I will present more, I will expose in
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new ways. I will open up my thoughts so that
even if people have problems with it, I can have
that conversation too, and that would I think that would
benefit me and others, not necessarily in that order. It
was not the plan for today, ladies and general. I
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don't know. I don't know. My sister might have been
frustrated at my struggles. Is that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't know this is even it real?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah? Right, that's the show.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Is even it real? And we pretend so much, We
put on so much makeup. And so for the people
for the nay says, when you come on and when
you podcast and when you go live and do your own,
you can call them Jimmy and then you can tell
them to crack corn.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So I'm probably not going to use that line out today.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So how would you encourage somebody? So I've seen you,
like for those of you who have listened, I've seen
him in his work. He's amazing and and and it's
so because he's dealt with so many young people and
this is important he that he's he's helped young people
in high school, the junior high school, that age where
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he was encouraged somebody one day and I don't know
if I ever told you, this, but one of the
kids said back to him, mister Potter, why should I
nobody cares. And I watched this as as my brother responded,
and I saw tears well up in my brother's eyes.
I walked away because tears were welling up in my eyes.
And I'm saying, these kids need somebody to believe in them.
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They need somebody. And it's not just these kids, but
it's adults too. So get around people who believe in you.
If you don't believe in your that's advice I'm gonna give.
If you're around people who don't believe you, change your
new people. Say that again, Get new people, get you
some new people.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
If it's your family, you have to say kindly, you
know what, you all are not helping my growth. I
gotta find growth. And I have had to have that
conversation many times with kids. They come from bad influence.
At their kitchen table. I shouldn't say that. Most of
them don't sit at their kitchen table. They come from
bad influence. Their parents were knuckleheads when I knew them
(32:13):
out here, and their grandparents, and so I have to
try to break that cycle. I have to try to
break that cycle. You are not destined to live in
the projects all your life. You are not destined to
hustle drugs and be a schemer. You can grow up
and be wonderful, beautiful and great and happy and parenting
and yeating table with your children. You can make that
(32:35):
change and before you know it, you're making dollars and
then get back. So, yeah, I try to guess, believe, believe.
It's believe, I don't know. It's the bricks of the
path to life.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
They're the bricks of the path to life. Self believe
and watch this because every time you have to believe
in your yourself, that's a brick. That's another brick that
you get to lay and listen. If you have to
disbelieve something wrong or ungodly, or tear it that someone
said to tear you down, you can tear down that brick,
(33:14):
one brick at a time. So self believe. Say it
again is to say it again.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
The bricks on the path to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Life success. Yeah, their path may Yeah, make a make
a path with your bricks and self believe, right, I Love.
Are you going to come back on the show.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yes, yes, And not only that, I also will make
this public commitment that you will one day come on
my podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's what we're talking about. That's what we're saying, Audrey,
what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Audrey has left the building.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Good, I'm happy. Let me tell you something. So, when
I was reading your bio, I saw I saw journalists,
I saw a reporter, I saw radio show holds. I
was excited because I've never formally gone to school for
those things. I just learned along the way. But I
love all of them like I live in this space.
And I was like, Okay, cool, we're gonna so to
(34:24):
hear you say, I don't know, I don't know why
I don't do these things, sir, I'm sure you experienced
is something people are waiting to hear about because I
personally have never been to school for a right, let
me tell you something funny. In high school, English was
not my major, but was not my strong subject subject.
I was good in math and science. Go figure, right,
(34:45):
But then I've readen eleven books and so you know
there are people who are waiting to hear you and
doos yes, yes, yes, And that was not my strong
suit in high school. My strong suit was math and science.
So I love math and science. But people awaiting on you.
(35:06):
One of the things I would love for you to
you said something. Let me say, I got a circle here.
Oh you said something about people not about not being ready,
not wanting to have self belief. I think sometimes people
are not ready to have self belief. I think they're
not ready to believe in themselves right. And the reason
(35:27):
I say that is that there was an incident that
happened last year. Someone was going to be a part
of the chamber and they said, I almost did not
come in the door. And I said why. They said
because I didn't believe I belonged there. And I said
why they know me personally, and I said why, I
just didn't believe I belong there. So this year, when
it was time for the gala, they didn't show up.
(35:48):
But I realized there was that same thing.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I don't think, I don't believe that I belong And
for me, what do you tell that person who, no
matter what you say to them, how wonderful you make them,
to try to help them understand how wonderful they are.
You are great, You're wonderful, you are all these things
when they're not ready to accept that, what do you
How do you help that person? Because I don't know
how to help them, and me, I'm a little impatient.
(36:11):
So I'm like, okay, I'm just said this, like for
like six months now, I keep telling your wonderful, your great,
you belong. I'm I'm about out of that. What do
you say to that person? And for you, Charles, if
that is a struggle for you, what are you going
to do to move yourself to the next level? Because
the experience that you have mentoring young folks, they need
to hear you. The parents need to hear from you.
You know, I have two friends that I have. My
(36:33):
brother's an educator. My sister in law is the educator.
One of my best friends is the educator. And I
hear horror stories about parents who don't know how to
parent because nobody taught them how to parent. But you
have this, you have this knowledge, you have this experience,
you have this this doctor doctor chen said. Somebody said
listening to him talk is like a warm blanket to
be to be a book byself. I was like, that
(36:56):
is beautiful. You never heard such a thing.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So you know, what do you what are you gonna
do to make sure that the podcast has launched? What
are you gonna do to make sure that you tell
the stories and empower the people because I know you
can do it.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So what do you believe?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What are you gonna do one thing? Well, I'm gonna
do it. I'm just gonna do it. But you know
what's funny. Before I started this, I turned on my
camera and I recorded a video about me getting ready
to do this. Uh. My video was interrupted by a
dear friend I haven't heard from in a long time,
(37:31):
who called to tell me that he had run into
my son and how wonderful it was to see my son,
and what a wonderful job i'd done. Oh wow, And
so these things like our motivation to me, I'm just
gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. We want
to say this, Audrey, I didn't go to school to
(37:53):
be journalists either. In fact, I told you I'm associate's degree.
I got that degree when I was fifty seven years old, okay,
and I wanted to get it before my youngest kid
graduated from college. Dog, I was gonna be last one.
I got it, and I joked with Kidsday said, come,
(38:14):
you didn't go to college, mister pot, I said, because
I kept messing up and getting good jobs. You know
I have accolades. You know I was Callingist of the
Year twice in New England. I'm really and what are
you afraid of now, Bro? I don't know. I don't know.
So if I don't know what I'm afraid of, then
why can't I just stop being afraid? So I'm taking
the faith that I've gained today back backing, back, edging
(38:39):
with the beliefs that I have had forever, and I
am going to learn the technology, how to be a podcaster,
how to do a podcast, And I don't care if
I do fifteen minutes of a video and just posted
on my Facebook page. I am going to I have
a million and forty seven ideas I would like to do.
(39:00):
I'm going to start chipping away at that list. I
want to take some of the people I meet and
tell their stories, whether it's a golf story, a politics story,
a come up in story. And last last week I
was at a place where I heard two guys across
the bar arguing them They weren't arguing, but their conversation
was about who came up the poorest. Neither one of
them was black, and both of them are pretty comfortable now.
(39:25):
So to think that we were different is it is true?
But we're not so different. So I need to throw
some of those concerns away and have fun doing this.
And I'm that's That's what I'm committing to doing, is
doing it and having fun doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I want to share some with you. I'm gonna share
you the easy way to get started. So doctor Chen do.
We primed doctor Chample TV. So that's why she do video,
so we prim her to get on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
This is a primer. But if you want to start,
go to a platform called substack. When you go to substack,
you can write those stories. You can turn them into
a podcast episode, and if you choose to do video,
you can. But because you are a writer and a
radio personality, start there and you don't have to worry
(40:15):
about what people are saying because turn off the comments.
You can turn them off or have somebody read the
comments so you don't have to see them. Because a
lot of times people read the comments and they feel
bad about what people are saying, and people gonna talk
about you, whether you do good or whether you do bad.
That they just are I don't care.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
What you do.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
That everybody has something to say, and that's okay. What
you need to do is say, okay, I'm gonna start
no matter what, go to Substack. Substack is free platform.
Not only is it a free platform, it's a platform
that will push your content out to all of these
people who are on that platform to listen to podcasts
and to read about it. Every morning, four days a week.
Got get up and I do a podcast by myself,
(40:52):
just talking about whatever I'm talking about, four days a week,
and then I write about it on my website and
so I put out all this every single day by myself.
I rarely do videos and stuff when I come on
with Doctor Ting rarely. Now I'm gonna start doing videos
a little bit more off for my show. But I
do all audio and written work and it goes a
long way. Look at, look at and then you can
(41:15):
you could charge a subscription on substack for your content
and make money right out the gate, and they helped
promote your stuff. So that's what I would say to you.
You want to start start there first. If you want
to do video, you can do video too, But if
that's a fear of just being on video, it and
and it's new, but writing is not new for you,
and radio is not new for you. And you can
(41:37):
pretty much say and how do how you want to?
When I first started doing Good Morning Gunette, I had
just I was interviewing people. Then I stopped doing that
because I really love music, so I started putting all
this music in every episode. Then my platform told me
I couldn't play music. I was like, oh my god,
I have a hundred songs that I've created myself with
AI and like, I can't play music in my show.
(41:57):
Now if I decided to go to substack, they don't
get it. Oh absolutely, I'm.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Going to get to know you differently later, but thank you.
Continue to please.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, So that's that's what I will say. Dude, check
out Substance. It's a I think it's a wonderful platform.
I think it's a great starting ground for what you're
trying to do, and it helps you get your name
out there without you having to do anything but do
the thing that you love, which is great. The content,
tell the stories you said, I want to tell stories.
Tell the stories, put it in podcasts and read right
on over there. And for premium content, charge the subscription,
(42:31):
just like Netflix does. That's what I would say, do.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Thank you both.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We're going to give you the last word. Check go.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Thank you, I thank you. I love love, I love sharing.
I'm grateful. I am I'm humble. I'm grateful, and I
want to thank the Creator. And I say the Creator
because I don't judge whose God is Who's I think
(43:03):
all these gods are pretty cool. Whoever's God did this
and created this space we live in. This is some
cool stuff. And I'm just that we can collectively reach
out and help other people have a better experience and
better enjoyment of the Creator's creation the night and the
(43:23):
day and all those things in between. So thank you both.
Thank you all. This is good.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Till the next time, keeping it real. We thank you
so much for joining. I'm so grateful. I got to
give a shout out to my girl. I went to
the Women's Chamber, the Grenette Women's Chamber, Gallas Friday, right Friday.
I hadn't been out and gotten dressed up in a
long time. You are amazing, Audrey, the people you know
(43:52):
and how you treat people. It doesn't matter what level,
what education, what economic background. You are a wonderful, full, loving,
kind and generous person. And I just want to say,
I hope you go higher and wider and just broader
and deeper, and that God would give to you what
you keep giving to everybody else. That's what I want
(44:15):
to say about you today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Doctor Chimp's out there cutting the rug, y'all. I ain't
gonna show the video. I didn't want to. I want
to put on the spot and she's got that thing.
Everybody loved them, them yellow chucks, so I was like,
I need to get some yellow tuks right there.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I love those.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
They look really nice, really nice. Well, listen, thank you both,
Thank you. Listen, Charles, I'm here if you need me,
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
You would do well. You need good stories.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
We've got so much bad information out there in the world.
We need some good stories. So you know, yours adding
to what we're doing is only a good thing for
the world. So more the best, The more we can
put out good energy and good good stories, the better
we're going to be as a whole for the whole world.
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to another episode
of Keeping the Rebel Doctor Lindershin. I am Audrey Bell Kearney,
the producer. We've got a great show for you today.
Self belief. That is a big that's a small set
of words with a big meeting, and we're happy to
have it today. Doctor ten has an amazing guest. His
name is mister Charles Chuck Potter. He is a mentor,
(00:51):
he is a media professional. He's going to be joining
her today to talk about self belief, which means you're
an employt treat because without self belief you have nothing.
Some believe in God. Let me say that, self belief
in God, you have nothing. So without that, So without
further do, I'm gonna bring Doctor Tin to the stage
along with her guests, mister mister Chuck Potter.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good after Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Good to see you,
Audrey and Chuck Potter. How are you all doing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I am well, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know what's crazy is normally I'm running to the
studio to get here because doctor Tin is always here.
I was like, I'm early today. I felt good about that.
I'm early today, I'm on time, I'm not running, so
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
How about you, sir, I am.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
High stressed, but I am well. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, listen, this is a low stressing environment. You'll be
just fine. Relaxed.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Doctor Tin is amazing. She makes everybody relax, so you'll
be fine.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Thank you both.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All right, all right, doctor Tin, I'm going to step down.
You guys take it away, and I'll be right over
here on the other side of the camera if you
need me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Thank you, Thank you so much, Adre, y'all. And at
the end, I got to give Audrey a shout out.
I got to tell you how amazing she is. But
right now we want to say thank you Audrey for
bringing us on, and thank you Chuck for joining us
today on keeping it real with doctor Chin. You mean
so much to me and I don't know why I'm
getting ready to get emotional. But you mean so much
(02:22):
to me, and you have brought so much wisdom and
guidance to my own personal life. And I believe that
we're on the cusp of a wonderful relationship with podcasting
even together. And I know you're going to do your own,
but I welcome you to the show. How you doing?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Thank you? I think I'm fine. I can't. I don't
understand my feelings.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That's okay, that's all good.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I want to apologize to your audience right away because
I made some foolish choices when I was young, and
I tried to rid the world with marijuana, and now
I have COPD, so sometimes I have to stop and
go caugh.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I will mute Gough in return as necessary.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Thank you for that. I believe you're gonna be fine,
but thank you for that. We appreciate it. So I
want to ask you so I could tell you he
is a career communicator and a mentor, and you know,
served more than ten years and four different professions. He's
newspaper reporter, radio host, columnist, all of that, and so
(03:26):
he's just an amazing guy. And I want you I've
said that but I want you to tell us a
little bit about Chuck Potter.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I love love, and ironically this is Linda Chin ministries.
So in my communication world and what she does, I
refer to her as the preacher and myself as the reacher,
because candidly, I'm not necessarily a religious guy. I do
believe in God, and I do believe in faith, and
(03:57):
I do believe in the Creator. My model to young
people when I talk to them is hard work, loving, kindness,
compound interest and faith. And I live. I live those words.
I live kindness. I think kindness is fun. I love
to present kindness in the face of angst and anger
(04:20):
because I think it is the most de weaponizing tool
when somebody is mad or angry with you, to present
with kindness, it knocks down barriers. Yes, kind of how
I live. I'm ay, I love my family. All that
stuff you.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Do, and it shows. Some people can say it, but
you do show it. And whether you realize it or not,
what you stated is scriptural, and Proverbs tells us one
of the Scriptures says a soft answer turns away wrath.
So when people are going crazy, that's really what you said, basically,
But I want to get into some thing is about
(05:00):
self belief, and I'm listening. Listen, I'm gonna start out
with a disc with a what do you call it?
A retraction? So I posted something, mister Potter and I
talked about something briefly earlier, and I posted something early
in the week. It was a quote by Kobe Bryant,
and at least that's what the post was, because sometimes
(05:22):
people post face and say words, and that person didn't
say that. So but the statement was if you don't
believe in your no one else will. And I thought
about that afterwards, and Chuck and I talked about it,
and I don't believe that. And I say that because
this is the man who believed in me before I
believed in myself. But mister Potter, this is one thing
(05:42):
I wanted to say. I wanted to say that right
quick off the bat. But and if you want to
comment or not, that's fine, So Garden comment on that.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Let's do I trusted people know our relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I haven't said a word, but you can share it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Go for it, all right, mister Potter, I would almost
be more comfortable, she said, Child jr. Uh Kenya Key.
Linda is my younger sister. I have a sister younger
than she is, but she's my younger sister and I
(06:17):
was extremely protective of her growing up. But to get
directly to the Kobe comment, the alleged Kobe comment, what
she said is opposite too. She believes in me now.
And one of the reasons I chose this topic today
is to be candid about the fact that I struggle
with self belief. I don't know. I don't know that
(06:43):
I will ever reach the success of which I know
I have the potential. I have a fear of failure
and I have a fear of success, and it's a daily,
daily challenge. So but I know that doctor Chin believes
in me. I have six other brothers and sisters who
I know believe in me. I have friends that I
(07:06):
know believe in me, friends that tell me go for it. Chuck,
do your writing, man. Everything you say, man, we love it.
I light up places where I am with humor, truth
and comfort. But I still don't have I'm just not
I don't know if I'm not sure, I'm not worthy.
I don't know, but I keep pushing forward and hope
(07:27):
I arrived.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I love the transparency. I love the transparency. So are
you self confident, Chuck, I call them Charles. Are you
self confident?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yes, I have a lot of self Weirdly, I'm a
little shy. Overcome my shyness, I'm gregarious. M hm. So
I have self confidence. I believe every shot I hit
in golf is going to do exactly as I expected to.
I believe that any communication I get in with, if
it's a hard person who disagree with my political philosophies,
(08:03):
I believe that I can keep that in a mellow,
peaceful conversation. And I enjoy that challenge to not let
somebody go off the handle about how right or how
wrong we are. So I have a lot of self confidence,
but my self belief, as far as rising to new platitudes,
(08:23):
scares the heck out of me. So I think self
confidence and self belief go hand in hand. But I
think self confidence can exist alongside a lack of self belief.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because the fact of the matter,
and I just thought about this, the fact of the
matter is you can have confidence in what you're doing
but not believe in yourself. Yeah, right, as the person.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Why do you believe self belief is important?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
If you want to get somewhere, you have to believe
you're going to get there. Well, as Henry Ford. It's
always attributed to Henry Ford, who said, if you think
you can, or you think you can't, you're right. Yeah,
so you have to believe that you can do. I
believe I could create a worldwide podcast. I struggle to
(09:26):
believe that. Yeah, a struggle. I'm so proud of her
for doing this. She's put herself out there. I'll sit
beside you in a situation and I'll tell you so
much of my truth and so much of what I believe.
And I think I come from some good standpoints. But
could I do this on a daily I don't know.
Could I go challenge and play golf in a competitive
(09:48):
environment across the state, even at my age and my
age group and my skill level, I don't know. I
struggle with that self belief. And to be a champion,
you have to absolutely believe you are a champion. And
I am trying to build my truth, my strength, yeah,
inner faith, to be better tomorrow if I can get
(10:11):
a tea time.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So this is how I struggle with self belief all
my life too, low self worth, low self esteem, so
this is my thing. Where does it come from? Where
do you believe self belief comes from?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I think it comes from a level that success builds success.
But when you take on something new, you have to
find a way to believe that you will win or successful.
I wish I knew where it was. If it was
at five under, I'd go get a couple of them.
(10:56):
That's the store, right five and under.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
New star five and under coming I got five. See
that's your humor. I love it. That's that wit.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So I'm going to do better in what area in
being in self belief? Today's today matters, this moment, This
moment matters.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So I could say, and I have thought of the
question where does self belief begin? Meaning what is its foundation?
If where do you think it begins? Where do you
think it's birthed?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Perhaps parenting, mentoring, teaching, Somebody has to let you know
you can. And it's an interesting thing because I grew
up at a time when the average black person. In fact,
one hundred years ago, I remember writing that one of
the problems with black success or the inability of blacks
(12:05):
to succeed, was because we came from generations of no,
you can't you are a slave. For four hundred years,
we were taught you could not believe. And then when
freedom came about, nobody told my great grandfather or you
can be great. Nobody told my grandfather, you can be great.
And I think my dad was the first image of
(12:30):
you can be great. This guy came from what he
came from, which was not in high school education, which
was not a college education. And he served on committees
and boards and created and made things happen in this
town where we are, where I am, in the state, yeah,
and the state. Yeah. He did great things. I did
(12:50):
great things. I remember chatting with my dad and Governor L. T. Grosso.
This is a dude that came from you know, Virginia
was in the army with an all black unit. So
that was the first generation I thought could be great.
The next generation, which is us seven. He had seven
(13:13):
of us, and I used to use the phrase new
and improved. That's what we can now expect of every
generation to be new and improved, which was an old
school marketing slogan for many many products, the new and
improved shavings, the new and improved pantyhose. In fact, I
remember when panty hose became the new and improved Stockings,
(13:35):
so new and improved, and our generations have done that.
My brothers and sisters children are absolutely wonderful and absolutely
on the path to glory. They are doing wonderful of
the cloud family based things. Yes, and so I have
(13:59):
no reason to not have more self belief.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So I believe part of the foundation. So this is me,
minister of the Gospel. I studied the Bible. I read
it every day, but I don't study it every day.
But I there's a scripture Philippius four thirteen that says
you can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthened you.
I read it, but I don't know that I believed it.
So for my in my opinion and in my experience,
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I had to have people tell me that I can
do it. And I'll be straight up honest with you.
Audrey Bell is one of the reasons why I podcast.
I met her at a networking event virtually, so I've
known her from going on foremost five years. I just
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met her face to face last October. But she kept
encouraging me and oh, you can do this, you can
do this, And then she had this class that I
took off how to podcast, and she kept saying you
can do this, and other people kept saying you should
do this. But the reason I went forth not because
or just because people told me I could do it,
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but because I knew I had a mandate from God.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I love to be in the background. And I was
big and bad enough. You know, there's such a thing
as being called but I was being bad enough to
tell God. I told you. I didn't want to be upfront,
not sense repenting. But I ain't stupid now. So but
I believe that the foundations there are many that help
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people come to a place of self belief.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yes, what some people push back say, I have no
reason to not believe. I just keep pushing back. And
I didn't intend for this. I knew I was going
to make this revelation today that I struggle with self belief.
(16:07):
So I think I think when I chose this, I
think my be a sister thought, oh good, he's going
to deliver this message of how he covered so much self.
You all need to know.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He's keeping it real.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Is keeping it real? That's real, that's real, that's really real,
really really real. So but and my waning religion perhaps
has not delivered me to a place where I have
received a mandate to go do and whoo.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
But you're wired that way. You're wired that way. So
for people who are listening, whether you believe in God
or not, whether you believe or not, that you've had
a man indeed, when you're wired to do a certain thing,
I say, go for it, go for it, because sometimes
belief comes as you go. Sometimes self belief comes as
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you go. I'm gonna say this too, Chuck, that sometimes
you can have the wrong people around you who don't
believe in you, who are always nudging and digging, and
you know, like, think about the people I know many
people who grew up with parents who say, you know,
you ain't never gonna be anything, You're never gonna make it,
and if you don't do this, you're not gonna do that.
(17:33):
And so I know people who struggle with that because
that's all they ever heard, that you'll never do anything
and never be anybody. Well, if that's your story, then
you're believing the wrong person. You're believing in their words.
And we're saying today, I'm believe in yourself now, Chuck,
(17:53):
I will say this. I wasn't sure what message you
were gonna deliver. Because one of the questions is that
I had thought to ask you, was have you ever
struggled with self belief? And you already addressed that, So
I'm going to ask you. Do you you have four sons,
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do you talk to them about self belief? How do
you encourage them to believe in themselves?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I don't have to talk to him about it anymore
because we've had that conversation at the kitchen table. You know, again, candidly,
one of my sons I didn't get to know well
until he was about twelve or thirteen years old. But
we have a wonderful, wonderful relationship now, and he might
have some of my self belief in his house because
he has so much self belief. That child believes he
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could climb mountains on his hands, and God bless him
for that. He is also a wonderful wounded warrior, retired
veteran soldier. He is also the father of a army soldier.
So yes, beautiful, and the father in law. So but
my own children, I Dave grown up pretty independent and
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my wife is a strong, strong woman. I'm blessed. I'm
absolutely blessed. So self belief has been around my table.
I'm the only one. It's ironic. My younger sister Kenya
has done amazing, amazing things, my brother John and Terry,
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and all of our family. I be candidate. There are
two college degrees among our seven children. Okay, wait, how
many degrees do you have?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I have four?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Okay, so there's five among our family, her four and
my associates. But every one of my mother's children is
a successful human. Yeah, we've done things. So there is
belief in our family. There's strength in our family. And
as a mentor to students, I'll say this. I spent
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twelve years as a behavior specialist, a behavior motivator, and
an in school suspension supervisor. So I've been spending years
teaching young people not just to believe in themselves, but
to discover new things to believe. Because when you grow
up in the inside the walls of the ghetto, inside
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the walls of poverty, inside the walls of single parenthood,
inside the walls of domestic disputes, inside the walls of
hustlers and schemers, and all of those people that are
crawling the street, I believe as a parent, my job
is to play defense but when children grow up in
those circumstances, they need somebody to say, there's a big
world out there that you can have a part of,
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and you need to believe in yourself to go get that.
So I have been preaching what I have been struggling
to practice, and so now I need to practice more
of what I preach. But self belief is an important
It is important part of the vehicle to rise above
the noise.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So I just had this image come pop into my mind.
People don't birth themselves. The mother has to push. I
guess some babies would just pop out, but for the
most part, the mother has to push and then the
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child comes out into the world. And we all need
a push. We all need a midwife. That's kind of
what Audrey does. She does amazing things, but we all
need a midwife, someone telling us, come on, you can
do it, breathe and push, and then us pushing that
thing out as well. And so what are the common
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things when you think about all the people you've ever
talked to, interviewed, been around golf course, radio, television, all
of that, what would you say is the common denominator
among those who lack self belief and what's the common
denominat of those who do believe in themselves in your experience.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I can't. I can't narrow that. I think I think
a lot of people have a fear of success.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Oh yeah, a.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Lot of people fear exposure to the whole world. Now,
I tell my truths candidly, and I tell my truths.
I have a thing I call bar culture. I like
to sit and have me a glass kool aid and
check with people around me. And I have two three
favorite places I tell my truths. I tell them with humor,
I tell them with candor, and sometimes I tell them
(22:41):
with pain. One of my truths. So I'm willing to
be exposed there. I don't know how well I'll be
received if I expose this more broadly. I was a
writer and fifty thousand people used to read me every week.
I had listeners on radio every week Potter Show, a
coffee pot look, I had, you know. So I've done
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this so I don't understand myself. I don't know what
the common denominator is in a lack of self belief.
And in fact, I I applaud all of the people
who use social media to test their level of ability
to rise. That's part of why I'm starting to believe
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because I know I have this kind of talent, and
now there's new vehicles to use this talent. So my
faith is growing. Uh. I don't know what the common
denominator is.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I wish I did so I heard I heard something
when you spoke, and and we had someone who commented,
I'm gonna get this, and King and McIntyre said, Muhammad
Ali said, to be a champion, you must believe you
are the best. If you're not, pretend you are. If
that's how we make say fake it till you make
it right, pretend you well. It heard two things that
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you said about the radio and when you were a commonist.
So it's different. And perhaps the fear or the hesitation
is that now you're putting yourself out there. Lives see.
It's different to write. It's different to be behind in
a radio station where people can't get to you. But
this is what I learned with podcasting and speaking, is
(24:26):
that I don't have to respond to my critics. I
don't even have to respond to them and listen. Even
as a minister of the gospel, you can minister in
a church at a conference somewhere, people don't always receive
you there either, right, and so when you are who
you are, and it's more painful to withhold who you
(24:47):
are than it is to put yourself out there and
say what has become my latest saying over the last
probably three hundred and sixty five days, Jimmy crack Corn.
I'm gonna get out what's in me so that I
am not constipated, so to speak. You understand what I'm saying, right,
And I don't have to respond to my critics, because Chuck,
(25:08):
you do have You can speak on many topics. You
do your research, you love etymology, and your humorous and
so on the radio, you could come out with your
wit and respond. If you had a naysayer, writer, someone
come on who disagreed with you, and live you don't
have to respond to them at all. Well, but you
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have too much to give to withhold.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Perhaps I need to look back a little bit because
I think maybe one of the things that got me
was I don't want to say it necessarily didn't like
negative reviews. But because I didn't necessarily abide by the
negative reviews that I got when I wrote, people would
write back. I didn't like that I didn't like that.
(25:57):
I didn't like people saying no, he's wrong, what a
stupid idea. In fact, when I wrote, my biggest complaint
about my responses from my readers was that black people
thought I was too black. I mean, black people thought
I wasn't black enough, and white people thought I was
too black, and that kind of chased me away. So
that might have something to do with it, as we
delve here, is that I got pushed aside. So maybe
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I need to believe it myself more.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, And since say Jimmy crack con, that's and I
don't care. That's why I've gotten to a place in
my sixties here where I was too much in my
head and I used to think so much about what
people thought. I have a niece, she and I are
very close, and I remember when I started the Bible Institute,
(26:48):
I was teaching classes and teaching classes, and I kept saying,
I've got to do this as a business because too
many people wanted to come to the women's Bible study.
And so a mentor of mine saying, why don't you
name it Linda Chin Ministry's Institute of Biblical Studies, And
I had the conversation with my niece and I said, then,
you know, people are gonna say, who is she to
start an institute? I said, they're gonna say, who's she
(27:09):
to start an institute? And my niece said to me,
who are they? Who are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Wow? Besides William and Mary did it and that's college.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So I want you, I will This is my challenge
to you publicly. You're gonna come back on and you're
gonna share something you did to defy that part of
yourself that says I don't believe in myself. I struggle.
I think a lot, like you said, a lot more
(27:44):
people struggle with it than we know. I honestly, honestly
believe that. Someone said to me when I was telling
them that you're gonna be on the show, they said,
I love to hear him talk. Hearing him talk is
like a warm blanket, and the more he talks, the
(28:06):
lighter it gets. And I thought, that's the most beautiful
thing that I've ever heard someone say about my brother.
I know how I feel, and for someone else to
say it, I think it's beautiful. So when we don't
believe in ourselves, people, I don't care what you have
to offer. There's something. It's something when you don't believe
(28:26):
in yourself and you withhold because you don't believe in yourself,
you're robbing other people. You're robbing you know.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I'm listening, I'm thinking, and I'm going back to what
I said about people responding to my columns. I still
have a letter somewhere where somebody want to know what
kind of slave I was a house in or feel in.
I laughed at it because it was so poorly written.
It was so poorly written, it was so in fact,
(28:57):
it had like minds that weren't even sentences, and I
kept that. So I'm here and I'm thinking, maybe I
don't have I don't lack in self belief, I just
lack in I don't need to give mine. I don't
need to expose myself to your negativity. I can love
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me the way I want to love me. But I
do believe I have offerings. So I'm listening to you.
I'm sitting here and I am praying, and I am
saying that I will present more, I will expose in
(29:38):
new ways. I will open up my thoughts so that
even if people have problems with it, I can have
that conversation too, and that would I think that would
benefit me and others, not necessarily in that order. It
was not the plan for today, ladies and general. I
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don't know. I don't know. My sister might have been
frustrated at my struggles. Is that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't know this is even it real?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah? Right, that's the show.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Is even it real? And we pretend so much, We
put on so much makeup. And so for the people
for the nay says, when you come on and when
you podcast and when you go live and do your own,
you can call them Jimmy and then you can tell
them to crack corn.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So I'm probably not going to use that line out today.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So how would you encourage somebody? So I've seen you,
like for those of you who have listened, I've seen
him in his work. He's amazing and and and it's
so because he's dealt with so many young people and
this is important he that he's he's helped young people
in high school, the junior high school, that age where
(31:02):
he was encouraged somebody one day and I don't know
if I ever told you, this, but one of the
kids said back to him, mister Potter, why should I
nobody cares. And I watched this as as my brother responded,
and I saw tears well up in my brother's eyes.
I walked away because tears were welling up in my eyes.
And I'm saying, these kids need somebody to believe in them.
(31:25):
They need somebody. And it's not just these kids, but
it's adults too. So get around people who believe in you.
If you don't believe in your that's advice I'm gonna give.
If you're around people who don't believe you, change your
new people. Say that again, Get new people, get you
some new people.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
If it's your family, you have to say kindly, you
know what, you all are not helping my growth. I
gotta find growth. And I have had to have that
conversation many times with kids. They come from bad influence.
At their kitchen table. I shouldn't say that. Most of
them don't sit at their kitchen table. They come from
bad influence. Their parents were knuckleheads when I knew them
(32:13):
out here, and their grandparents, and so I have to
try to break that cycle. I have to try to
break that cycle. You are not destined to live in
the projects all your life. You are not destined to
hustle drugs and be a schemer. You can grow up
and be wonderful, beautiful and great and happy and parenting
and yeating table with your children. You can make that
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change and before you know it, you're making dollars and
then get back. So, yeah, I try to guess, believe, believe.
It's believe, I don't know. It's the bricks of the
path to life.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
They're the bricks of the path to life. Self believe
and watch this because every time you have to believe
in your yourself, that's a brick. That's another brick that
you get to lay and listen. If you have to
disbelieve something wrong or ungodly, or tear it that someone
said to tear you down, you can tear down that brick,
(33:14):
one brick at a time. So self believe. Say it
again is to say it again.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
The bricks on the path to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Life success. Yeah, their path may Yeah, make a make
a path with your bricks and self believe, right, I Love.
Are you going to come back on the show.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yes, yes, And not only that, I also will make
this public commitment that you will one day come on
my podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's what we're talking about. That's what we're saying, Audrey,
what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Audrey has left the building.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Good, I'm happy. Let me tell you something. So, when
I was reading your bio, I saw I saw journalists,
I saw a reporter, I saw radio show holds. I
was excited because I've never formally gone to school for
those things. I just learned along the way. But I
love all of them like I live in this space.
And I was like, Okay, cool, we're gonna so to
(34:24):
hear you say, I don't know, I don't know why
I don't do these things, sir, I'm sure you experienced
is something people are waiting to hear about because I
personally have never been to school for a right, let
me tell you something funny. In high school, English was
not my major, but was not my strong subject subject.
I was good in math and science. Go figure, right,
(34:45):
But then I've readen eleven books and so you know
there are people who are waiting to hear you and
doos yes, yes, yes, And that was not my strong
suit in high school. My strong suit was math and science.
So I love math and science. But people awaiting on you.
(35:06):
One of the things I would love for you to
you said something. Let me say, I got a circle here.
Oh you said something about people not about not being ready,
not wanting to have self belief. I think sometimes people
are not ready to have self belief. I think they're
not ready to believe in themselves right. And the reason
(35:27):
I say that is that there was an incident that
happened last year. Someone was going to be a part
of the chamber and they said, I almost did not
come in the door. And I said why. They said
because I didn't believe I belonged there. And I said
why they know me personally, and I said why, I
just didn't believe I belong there. So this year, when
it was time for the gala, they didn't show up.
(35:48):
But I realized there was that same thing.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I don't think, I don't believe that I belong And
for me, what do you tell that person who, no
matter what you say to them, how wonderful you make them,
to try to help them understand how wonderful they are.
You are great, You're wonderful, you are all these things
when they're not ready to accept that, what do you
How do you help that person? Because I don't know
how to help them, and me, I'm a little impatient.
(36:11):
So I'm like, okay, I'm just said this, like for
like six months now, I keep telling your wonderful, your great,
you belong. I'm I'm about out of that. What do
you say to that person? And for you, Charles, if
that is a struggle for you, what are you going
to do to move yourself to the next level? Because
the experience that you have mentoring young folks, they need
to hear you. The parents need to hear from you.
You know, I have two friends that I have. My
(36:33):
brother's an educator. My sister in law is the educator.
One of my best friends is the educator. And I
hear horror stories about parents who don't know how to
parent because nobody taught them how to parent. But you
have this, you have this knowledge, you have this experience,
you have this this doctor doctor chen said. Somebody said
listening to him talk is like a warm blanket to
be to be a book byself. I was like, that
(36:56):
is beautiful. You never heard such a thing.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So you know, what do you what are you gonna
do to make sure that the podcast has launched? What
are you gonna do to make sure that you tell
the stories and empower the people because I know you
can do it.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So what do you believe?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What are you gonna do one thing? Well, I'm gonna
do it. I'm just gonna do it. But you know
what's funny. Before I started this, I turned on my
camera and I recorded a video about me getting ready
to do this. Uh. My video was interrupted by a
dear friend I haven't heard from in a long time,
(37:31):
who called to tell me that he had run into
my son and how wonderful it was to see my son,
and what a wonderful job i'd done. Oh wow, And
so these things like our motivation to me, I'm just
gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. We want
to say this, Audrey, I didn't go to school to
(37:53):
be journalists either. In fact, I told you I'm associate's degree.
I got that degree when I was fifty seven years old, okay,
and I wanted to get it before my youngest kid
graduated from college. Dog, I was gonna be last one.
I got it, and I joked with Kidsday said, come,
(38:14):
you didn't go to college, mister pot, I said, because
I kept messing up and getting good jobs. You know
I have accolades. You know I was Callingist of the
Year twice in New England. I'm really and what are
you afraid of now, Bro? I don't know. I don't know.
So if I don't know what I'm afraid of, then
why can't I just stop being afraid? So I'm taking
the faith that I've gained today back backing, back, edging
(38:39):
with the beliefs that I have had forever, and I
am going to learn the technology, how to be a podcaster,
how to do a podcast, And I don't care if
I do fifteen minutes of a video and just posted
on my Facebook page. I am going to I have
a million and forty seven ideas I would like to do.
(39:00):
I'm going to start chipping away at that list. I
want to take some of the people I meet and
tell their stories, whether it's a golf story, a politics story,
a come up in story. And last last week I
was at a place where I heard two guys across
the bar arguing them They weren't arguing, but their conversation
was about who came up the poorest. Neither one of
them was black, and both of them are pretty comfortable now.
(39:25):
So to think that we were different is it is true?
But we're not so different. So I need to throw
some of those concerns away and have fun doing this.
And I'm that's That's what I'm committing to doing, is
doing it and having fun doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I want to share some with you. I'm gonna share
you the easy way to get started. So doctor Chen do.
We primed doctor Chample TV. So that's why she do video,
so we prim her to get on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
This is a primer. But if you want to start,
go to a platform called substack. When you go to substack,
you can write those stories. You can turn them into
a podcast episode, and if you choose to do video,
you can. But because you are a writer and a
radio personality, start there and you don't have to worry
(40:15):
about what people are saying because turn off the comments.
You can turn them off or have somebody read the
comments so you don't have to see them. Because a
lot of times people read the comments and they feel
bad about what people are saying, and people gonna talk
about you, whether you do good or whether you do bad.
That they just are I don't care.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
What you do.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
That everybody has something to say, and that's okay. What
you need to do is say, okay, I'm gonna start
no matter what, go to Substack. Substack is free platform.
Not only is it a free platform, it's a platform
that will push your content out to all of these
people who are on that platform to listen to podcasts
and to read about it. Every morning, four days a week.
Got get up and I do a podcast by myself,
(40:52):
just talking about whatever I'm talking about, four days a week,
and then I write about it on my website and
so I put out all this every single day by myself.
I rarely do videos and stuff when I come on
with Doctor Ting rarely. Now I'm gonna start doing videos
a little bit more off for my show. But I
do all audio and written work and it goes a
long way. Look at, look at and then you can
(41:15):
you could charge a subscription on substack for your content
and make money right out the gate, and they helped
promote your stuff. So that's what I would say to you.
You want to start start there first. If you want
to do video, you can do video too, But if
that's a fear of just being on video, it and
and it's new, but writing is not new for you,
and radio is not new for you. And you can
(41:37):
pretty much say and how do how you want to?
When I first started doing Good Morning Gunette, I had
just I was interviewing people. Then I stopped doing that
because I really love music, so I started putting all
this music in every episode. Then my platform told me
I couldn't play music. I was like, oh my god,
I have a hundred songs that I've created myself with
AI and like, I can't play music in my show.
(41:57):
Now if I decided to go to substack, they don't
get it. Oh absolutely, I'm.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Going to get to know you differently later, but thank you.
Continue to please.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, So that's that's what I will say. Dude, check
out Substance. It's a I think it's a wonderful platform.
I think it's a great starting ground for what you're
trying to do, and it helps you get your name
out there without you having to do anything but do
the thing that you love, which is great. The content,
tell the stories you said, I want to tell stories.
Tell the stories, put it in podcasts and read right
on over there. And for premium content, charge the subscription,
(42:31):
just like Netflix does. That's what I would say, do.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Thank you both.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We're going to give you the last word. Check go.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Thank you, I thank you. I love love, I love sharing.
I'm grateful. I am I'm humble. I'm grateful, and I
want to thank the Creator. And I say the Creator
because I don't judge whose God is Who's I think
(43:03):
all these gods are pretty cool. Whoever's God did this
and created this space we live in. This is some
cool stuff. And I'm just that we can collectively reach
out and help other people have a better experience and
better enjoyment of the Creator's creation the night and the
(43:23):
day and all those things in between. So thank you both.
Thank you all. This is good.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Till the next time, keeping it real. We thank you
so much for joining. I'm so grateful. I got to
give a shout out to my girl. I went to
the Women's Chamber, the Grenette Women's Chamber, Gallas Friday, right Friday.
I hadn't been out and gotten dressed up in a
long time. You are amazing, Audrey, the people you know
(43:52):
and how you treat people. It doesn't matter what level,
what education, what economic background. You are a wonderful, full, loving,
kind and generous person. And I just want to say,
I hope you go higher and wider and just broader
and deeper, and that God would give to you what
you keep giving to everybody else. That's what I want
(44:15):
to say about you today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Doctor Chimp's out there cutting the rug, y'all. I ain't
gonna show the video. I didn't want to. I want
to put on the spot and she's got that thing.
Everybody loved them, them yellow chucks, so I was like,
I need to get some yellow tuks right there.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I love those.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
They look really nice, really nice. Well, listen, thank you both,
Thank you. Listen, Charles, I'm here if you need me,
I feel like.
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You would do well. You need good stories.
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We've got so much bad information out there in the world.
We need some good stories. So you know, yours adding
to what we're doing is only a good thing for
the world. So more the best, The more we can
put out good energy and good good stories, the better
we're going to be as a whole for the whole world.
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