June 24, 2025 • 53 mins
Dr. Linda P. Chinn is a native of New London, CT who currently resides in Douglasville, GA. She fulfills her mission of uprooting and pulling down false belief systems in the lives of God's people to build them up by planting in them the incorruptible seed of the living Word through her various ministries. Dr. Chinn is an accomplished entrepreneur and the creator of Linda Chinn Ministries as well as the founder of Christian Women in Training Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, everybody today is a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Guess who's on the other side of the interview today.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So hey, doctor Chin, Hello, my friend Audrey. How are you.
I'm good. I'm good. Today's gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Doctor Chen is gonna be throwing some questions at me
about technology and AI and all that good stuff and
stuff that I spend most of my days doing and
helping people do.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's always good for me to be on the other
side because I'm always talking, Doctor Chin. We did the
AIS and I talked so much I literally lost my voice,
like I was like my throat was hurting so bad.
And someone asked me, yes, like how did it go?
I said, it was about eight hundred people there, and
everybody stopped by the talk. And by the time you
talk to so many people you're out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
So but I enjoyed myself. I can't even I can't
even say it because I got a chance to be
on the other side. So well, thank you for having
me as a guest today. I'm so I'm so excited
and I'm so honored to be a part of you
as Steam Panel on Technology.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So thank you so much for that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And thank you for saying yes. And you know, I've
been really listening for topics that God would have us
to talk about so that we can understand really what's
going on in the life of women and black women
and professional women.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Of all colors.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And so when I thought about it, I saw certain
people in my mind's eye, and you were definitely one
of those people. And so we've a doctor Shanahan, who
is a biologist, a PhD in biology who does the
uh restsearch cancer research. And then we've had Kneta Rainey,
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who was an electro mechanical engineer who designs warfare weapons.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And now we have you on the tech side.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I just from talking to you on the basis
that we do, I hear things in the background that
I knew we needed to tap into for such a
time as this. So today I wanted to focus on technology,
the technology part of STEM and because like I said,
we did the science, we did the engineering, and we
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may it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
To the map.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you're I want you briefly to tell us about yourself,
and you know, I've got a bunch of questions to
ask and so, uh, just tell us a little bit
about yourself and your background, Waudry, if you will, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I was.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I was born here in Georgia, but I was raised
in Jersey. Iduating from West Side of High School.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I grew up in North New Jersey. So shout out
to all my friends in New York, New Jersey. So
I grew up in Newark.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
And interestingly enough, I was great in math and science.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Those are my things.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I tell people when I went to college, they
told me to go to college to be an accountant,
and that didn't work out because I found that to
be too mundane for me, and I was like, I
don't like this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If someone had told.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Me to go to school to be an engineer, my
life path might have been a little bit different. But
I've been an entrepreneur for twenty eight years, twenty six
of those years full time, working from home. I'm an inventor.
I invented the first plus sized fashion dolls. I'm my author,
and I'm the president and the founder of Women's Chamber
of Commerce, where we helped women in business start grow.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
In scale businesses. So I wear a lot of hats.
I tried not to.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I remember back in the day when you wore so
many hats, people didn't know how to perceive you.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now that's like a badge of honor. They say, I
got seven streams of incomes.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But so I feel a little bit better about that.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But just I'm a diehard entrepreneur till until they put
me in a box office.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's who I am. I love that.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean I love it because we look at this
generation now and that's who they are. They are the entrepreneurs.
And a lot of times I hear people calling it
a side hustle, or hear people say have the business,
but they don't know how to operate the business. They
know how to function and their skill and in their talent,
but they don't necessarily know the business side. And so
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maybe that will be our next focus, is how to
function and operate in business, even in technology. So when
did you begin to flow and move toward the technology side.
You've been in business twenty eight years, so have you
been flowing in that vein that long?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It started around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when I launched
my first podcast, well not my first podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I wanted money.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Get I didn't even know I was daggling with AI.
So what I wanted to do is make sure that
my podcast was everywhere. And one of the places that
include it was being on Amazon Alexa. And I was like, well,
wait a minute, I could put my podcast on Amazon Alexa.
So it kind of started. It kind of gave me
a little bit like, Okay, this is something that's in
people houses. If I back up a little bit further
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than that, I launched a TV network back in twenty
thirteen called her Tube, and we reached out to a
company to develop by apps and stuff for us, and
they told us a lot of money, like twenty five
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And we didn't have that.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
And so what I did was I sat down and
I found a company who had when I tell you,
it was a brought back back office panel that was
very difficult to use. But I sat there for three
months and I taught myself how to use it, and
I built the first TV app for our company and
it was on Rocu TV. So for those of you
who don't know, Roku is a streaming service, but they
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also big TVs. And that was in twenty and thirteen.
In twenty and fourteen, and Amazon came out with streaming TV,
and I learned how to get us on Amazon. And
in twenty eighteen, I learned how to get my podcasts
on Amazon Alexa. So I kind of started my journey
into tech around twenty thirteen and then ever since then,
I just kind of been in that space. I probably
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started way before then, and I didn't recognize it was
tech because I think I started. I learned how to
do websites in nineteen who I'm dating myself nineteen ninety four.
My daughter is years old, and I wanted to do
a career shift and I was working at the hospital
in New it for like eight and a half years,
and I wanted to do a career shift. So I
learned how to do websites, but I didn't stick with that.
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I didn't really like that, so I just sticked with
that for long. Then I learned how to do desktop
publishing and newsletters, and I've been doing those forever and
I still do newsletters to this day for myself and
for clients. So I guess it started back in nineteen
ninety four, but I didn't recon as it was tech.
I just thought I was doing something.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Extra, okay, So that's where I'm going next. With one,
it seems like you may be right brain and left
brain with the creative and the technical side of theolytical side.
But you know, technology is such a vast field. What
would you say and how did you narrow in on
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your specific area? What is your specific area and how
did you narrow in on it?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I am right green and left brain when it
pertains to And I didn't know that about myself until
someone said I was very analytical. And I was like
me because I'm thinking I'm not analytical, but they was like, well,
you really are, So I didn't think I was right
now love, I love AI, and I have a lot
of people who are definitely afraid of AI. For me,
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I see AI as being a great equalizer. I feel
like it's going to give people a lot more opportunities
and because of the ease of use, the ease of use.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
The low barrier to entry and the low financial outlay
for it. Right, So I have leaned. I'm leaned all
the way in on AI because of what I see
it could do. I see it creating new business opportunities.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I see it create opportunities to help business and streamline
and grow and and and just multiply. And for me,
I feel like this is an opportunity for families to say, Okay,
even if you're not the tech person is this isn't
somebody in your family that can learn how to use
like no code tools and teach the family how to
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do things.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So I'm lean leaning heavily.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Into AI for those very reasons, because I feel like
it's a lot of opportunities for people to invent and
create things that they can turn into streams of revenue
and then take it and train somebody else and keep
it going like each one, teach one and train and
training that kind of thing. Yeah, that's what That's what
I'm leaning at right now.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay, So AI So interestingly enough, so I like detective shows.
My husband I love detective shows and tell mysteries to
some degree. But I don't know if you remember a
show called Personal Interest that came out over twenty years ago,
I believe personal interest and they were talking about AI then,
so we think it's new, and correct me if I'm wrong.
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So AI, we know it's artificial intelligence. But AI is
really a technology that has collected data of all that
we have used and put in and spoken into computers
and websites that we've gone to, and things that we've
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purchased through rewards points and all of that. They've collected
all of that data and can create something just like
that using my voice and my background my purchase.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is that true? That's postially true.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So when you think about AI, that is correct that
it has gathered all of this information that we as
human humans have put into the system, right, and it
has trained itself on all this.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Data that we have freely given over to it in
order for it to really mimic you.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Once you sign into a platform, let's say chat GPT
or Claude or Gemini or Perplexi or man so whichever
one it is, you then start you train the AI
about you. So my AI, my chat GBT, pretty pretty
much knows everything about me, to the point where I
asked her a question and I didn't realize first, I
was like, oh my god, it really knows me. Then
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I realized, wait a minute, it's kind of mimicking back
what I just said. So it was like it was like,
it knows me because I have I have said said
AI is the money. I'm going to touch on that
people that I had a lot I feel like I
feel about AI when it comes to the religion and spirituality,
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about like I feel about money. Right when I was
growing up, I used to hear money as the root
of all evil. I see that all the time, like
my grandmother's, my aunts, everybody. And in reality, it is
not that it's not the tool that's the money, it's
the people that use a tool. It's not the money
that's evil, it's the people that use the money.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And what they use it for.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so there will be a lot of people left
behind because this is how they feel.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Not you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I try not to tell people how to feel because
that's not my place. But there will be a lot
of people left behind in the AI space because of that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I have a friend and she's funny, she's a client
and a friend, and she's very We need to stick
the topic. Ad yeaped up bring me back, what was
I saying? Because that kind of that kind of through
me because I get that a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's okay, yeah, and we're gonna talk about that. So
I thank you apostle in it for chiming in. But
I was asking you where it come from, and you
said it came from the data that we freely give
it and uh and that it doesn't lot and you
feel some people would be left out because they're afraid
of AI. Yeah, well, if you do train it, so
you would you train your AI on you. So if
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you're using Chat, GBT, A Claude or Gemini, any of
those things, you can train your You can train your
AI about you. You can literally go in and say,
i'm I want you to talk like me. I want
you to say girl, or I want you to say
like I always end my show it until next time,
make it a great day.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It can sign all my emails until next time, make
it a great day without me saying that, because I
have trained it to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So you can mimic be like you. But it is.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
It is a lot of content that's been put into
the system by so many people all over the world.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So this is I listened.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
We had a pastor's retreat last week and we had
a homework assignment and I listened to how someone responded
and created. So the assignment was.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
To write a lament. And this is what the Woman
of God did.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
She told chat GPT. She said, I'm a and I'll
give you an example. Like I'll just give an example.
So I'm a white, seventy year old male working in
janitorial profession. I have seven kids, and I want to
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put my kids through college, but I don't know how
to make money, and I want to do it within
the next five years.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So she put in.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Information like that and chat GPT came back with a
lament or a psalm if you will, and it was
spot on to what she said she wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It to do.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then she had an app called Sono or Suna,
which turned it into a song right and immediately, you know,
I didn't say anything, and let's be honest, it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
If you heard it, it was wonderful. It was beautiful.
But I shrunk back. And I'm going to tell you why.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because I said anything that can create something that quick
about you, because you tell it so much about yourself,
in my opinion, is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And I say that to say this, it's almost like Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
If we remember Frankenstein way way, way, way way back
in the day where we were children and I'm in
my mid sixties, where this scientist created this monster that
got out of hand. It was Frankenstein. It got away
from him and it got out of hand. I understand
spiritual things very clearly, much more than I understand technology.
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But I understand technology through the spirit of the living God.
And so I understand why apostle Eni called it demonic.
Scripture does say that knowledge would increase and that we
were going to be running to and fro in the
Book of Daniel, and so it's anything. The thing created
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can never be greater than its creator. The thing created
can never be greater than its creator. So did we
create AI or as now AI trying to create and
control us? See, that's that's another one of my caveats
is that we would allow technology to control the way
we think. You have people now using AI therapists, right,
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AI financial background help me, you know what I'm trying
to say, people who manage their finances. And I understand
your side too, right, So I'm not here to judge
ain't but one law given one judge, and that's God.
But I do have desernment, so as it relates to
what was stated that it is the mondic and as
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I said, I shrunk back from using it to that degree.
In fact, I've never created anything with chat GP, I
never have. What do you say about that knowing? Do
you feel like you know God enough? Or you would
say you're.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All in with AI? Yep? My answer is yes, I
know God enough.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I go back to what I said before when
people would say money is the root of all evil.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Money is not eil.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Money is a tool tool and the people that use
the money is the ones that are evil, and it
goes back, I'll.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Say the same thing about AI. I can sit here
and I can say, and I give you a prime example.
About two months ago, something some travesty I saw in
the news had popped up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It was something evil, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Asked, shatgeta, is they're a way for us to make
a pill that people can take so they can just
be good at heart? And it said there is, but
that's unethical, right, And I was like, oh, I didn't
expect it to say that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I was saying to my husband. I was like, Wow,
that's funny. If I was an evil person, I could
definitely use AI as for evil. Right, It's only a tool.
It can't walk, it can't come into your house. You
have to let it in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
You have to invite it in. We let it do
these things, right, So you have to do these things.
Will people get lost in absolutely because the technology is
going so fast to the point where you know they
are lonely people who want companionship. So then there's an
AI that there are blond people who want to see, Well,
there's an a out of that, there's people who want
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to hear, there's an aout for that. It's the people
who use the tool.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
For me.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I feel like it is also a way for us
to say, Okay, what problem can I solve in the world,
because this is what I use it for.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I use it for problem solving. I look in and say, Okay,
what problem can I solve in this world? And that's
what I use it for.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
There are gonna be some people say what, what what
bad can I do in this world? And that's what
they're going to use it for. So we right now,
on a community economic development level, we're looking at how
can we make.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Sure it stays ethical?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
How can we make sure we rein it in Unless
we got the money of the people who started these companies,
we're not gonna be able to do a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We can go and we can lobby in DC.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
We can libby at the state House and say, hey, listen,
let's make sure we got protective parameters in place, make
sure it's safe. Now, I can tell you that Claude
which was started. The person that started Claude was with
the company called Anthropic. They started with tat GT first,
but they felt like it was getting out of hand,
so they left and they went and started Claude, which
is the same type of platform, but they put in
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on guardrails. So it's really the people. It's not the tool,
it's the people. So this person said, we're gonna put
in guard rails. This person said, we just gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So we have a government saying, gohad, we have a
government that's saying we have five hundred billion dollars to
release to to to relax the regulation, so you can
just go.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So it's the people. It's not the tool. It's actually
the people.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So I want to go back to something you said
where people say love of money is the root of you,
that's not scripture. The Bible does not say love. The
Bible does not say money is the root of all evil.
The Bible says the love of money is the root
of all evil. Right, So that a lot of times
people misquote scripture and think they're saying something that's truth.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
When you misquote truth, it's no longer truth. Right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So money is not the root of all evil. Let's
get that clear. The Bible never said that. It says
the love of it. And you're saying, so what I
hear you saying is the love of Ai.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Right? It could be the root of all evil.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
What's in a person's heart towards it and how they
manage it is what I hearing you saying.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Am I hearing you correctly? And I understand that. I
totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And but so she said, it is the ultimate monitoring spirit.
And this is the thing too that I think, you know,
God knows where we are. He knows when Ai came
into place, He knew someone was going.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
To create it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He created the brain of the person and the people
who created Because he's God, what we do with what
he gives us is our responsibility and we will give
an account for it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Right, So, I believe.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And I've heard some people say, you know that they
use it for ministry and kingdom building and blood, this,
that and the other thing. And I'm not going to
touch that today because that's not the topic. But what
we're saying is, she says, I'm concerned that it's going
to take over us. It's really scary. If you believe
in God, then it can't take over us. If you're
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a believer, then AI can't take over you. It would
mean it would own you and possess you. You're owned
by God, You're blood bought.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Amen. I thank you for posting that too, Joyce. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So I wanted to talk The reason why I wanted
to talk about this is because we do have people
in technology and I wanted to bring a greater understanding
to technology and what it can do, and we are
responsible to handle things with ethics and morality.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Alcohol is not evil, but the abuse of it is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Right, you know, some people use whatever it is, medicinal
marijuana or whatever that is. It is the abuse of
things that can become that make it evil abuse, meaning
that you're using something.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Not according to its proper function.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You can take a spoon and dig a hole, but
it's not a spoon is for you to eat food with. Right,
you can abuse it, use it to something for that's
not for its original purpose. So tell us two things
you used technology to do. So answer specifically. We're not
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gonna go down rabbit trails, but two things I heard
you say one of the wonderful things I did hear
you say that you did, and if you don't mention it,
I'll bring it up. So name two things that you
used technology to do. And when I say technology, I
don't necessarily mean AI, I mean technology in its broadest terms.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I use technology to produce this show. That's one thing,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I use technology to train people and teach them how
to use different tools and things like that. I use
technology every day, and the reason I do is because
they make my life. It makes my life simpler.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know. Right now, I'm.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Creating a tool for some lawyers, right They just started
a new partnership firm together. They don't have the capital
to hire uh paralegal. And they came to me and
they say, listen, we need to we need to have
we need to have someone answer the telephone for us.
But we you know, we can't afford a paralygule right now.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Because we're new, we're literally just opening the doors. So
just for them, I'm creating a voice agent so that
agent can answer the phone and answer questions about what
they offer and book appointments.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So I use it every day for something. What other
things have you used it to do? That's one?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Oh my god, make a lot of music. I make
a lot of music. I'm launching a site for my granddaughter,
she's six years old. She has a psych called Cardo Can.
It's a learning platform. I've used it to write a book.
I've used it to create software. There's a software right
now that I've used called that I've created called Hey Daisy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It is a virtual.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Assistant and bookkeeper and software for small solopreneurs like hairdressers
and barbers and electricians who don't necessarily know how to
use quick books or have the time, and they don't
have the funds to hire someone to answer the phone,
so they can use they can do Hey Daisy and
hey Day's answer the phone and do the books at
the same time. And for those who do like cash
app and chime and Venmo. So I've created that a right,
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I do a lot in that space with the things
that I create are to help people. So you know
I used to I told my uncle Jess yesterday, I said, boy,
if I was criminal minded, i'd be super rich and
I would have been rich long before technology.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But I'm just not that person. So for me, I'm
using what I've want for good.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Right, But we all use technology, everybody, everybody who has
a cell phone, who uses email, who uses learning tones
for their children, who use iPads, iPhones, or even if
it's a what's the other brand? I know y'all hate
me right now, not the Apple, but the other one,
the Android? Right well, use Facebook PI. This is all
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of this has come about by technology. So when I
say this topic is about technology, I'm not. I'm using
it in its broadest terms. We're not talking specifically about chat,
GPT or AI today. We're talking about technology in its
broadest form, right. So I understand clearly and have some
of the same concerns about chat, GPT.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And AI, So I don't I don't use it. I
don't use anything that I don't really understand. So that's
for me.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
There's something that I understand that I don't use. But
this is what we all have to understand too. We
have vendors, family members involved in ministries, watch movies, engage
in a lot of things that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Do use AI. So let's let's all be honest. Let's
let let's let's all be very clear.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So the one thing that I like that you said
that you learned about technology is that you created a
learning tool for your granddaughter, which I know includes some
artificial intelligence. Right, absolutely, let me say this, doctor change.
The reason smartphones got the name smartphones is because it's
all AI.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I know. I know that, and we've been walking around
with it since when like the early or whatever. That's
how I got the name. They just didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Like when I started, when I started the TV network,
I said before, I didn't even realize what I was doing.
I just know that I wanted to be on TV
with my show, and I learn how to use this technology,
not thinking that this was smart technology.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
So we've been using a long time. I think AI
has been around since like nineteen thirty nine or something,
so it's been there all along. You know, technology has
been around since the beginning of time. It just has
evolved over time to the point that we now understand
what it looks like and it's gonna get smart and
smarter as it goes. But here's the other thing too.
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On some points it's gonna make life better for people.
On the other side, it's not gonna make life.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Better for people.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
The people will embrace what they need to embrace so
it can make their lives better. It will, But for
those who say I'm tech, I'm tech phobic, I'm smart
tech phobic, they're gonna they're gonna kind of get left behind.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And that's the sad part.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But well, people can get left behind it. You know,
it's got people left behind. It ain't reach absolutely absolutely
believe getting left behind because they don't because they're not
walking in obedience. So so with the learning tool, for you,
your granddaughter tell us some of the things I remember
in passing. You told that some of the things that's
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going to help her do.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's not only want to help her, it's going to
help other kids. So it's called Cardacan and it's a
learning platform. It teaches ABC's, it teaches color, it teaches
things about animals. It has foreign languages built into it
so they can learn how to speak different languages. It
is a learning platform.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And then on one.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Side of it you will see her the person, her drill,
her doing her little dances and her little songs and
things like that. It's her platform. And the reason I
did that was because my daughter does not want her
to be on YouTube because it has too much stuff
on there.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And I said to her, if you don't want her
to be on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
They gotta be other parents who want their kids to
learn stuff, but they don't want them to be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So we decided to.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I decided to create a platform that kids can be
come to and the parents can feel good about and
they can sing along and dance along, learn along all
on that platform.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And so yeah, we're just finishing it up now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And see that's the thing. To be able to manage
what we are creating. That's important.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And for me now this is me. I can't speak
for anybody else.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I always ask the Holy Spirit show me I've gone,
and show me how to use this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
How can I use this for your glory? If you
believe in God. If you believe in God, you ask
him about everything.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
We don't lean to our own understanding, not in technology,
not in biblical understanding.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Listen, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
When I go grocery shopping and shopping for clothes, I
ask the Holy Spirit take me to where the sales are.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Let me focus on what I came in for.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So, no matter what it is, technology, science, math, engineering,
whatever these things are, invite God in. Invite God into it.
That's the thing for us, because this is a faith
based show. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, dead,
buried and resurrected. I believe in the Holy Spirit. I'm
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just telling you about doctor Linda Chin. And so this
is a wonderful thing that we're having this conversation. And
I'm sure we can go left and right and up
and down and all the way around. But there are
many things that we could not do today that we
if we did not use technology. Yeah, you couldn't live
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stream without technology. So I want to ask you this,
do you so we know that you've used technology to
help advance the learning for children, What are some signs
you think about leap Frog and all these things parents
were buying ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know what Leapfrog and all that is right? Absolutely learn.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
So my question to you is what would be a
sign to a parent that we're entering to technological danger.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Zones when I'm knowing it necessarily, I don't know if
it would necessarily be very apparent to parents or just
the general public in general. You have to actually be
using the tools or paying attention to the news, right
because it's dangerous right now.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But if you're not in that space, you wouldn't know that.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
If you're not if you're not using the technology, if
you're not following the leaders who create the technology, you
wouldn't know. So I know, because I'm looking at Anthropic
and I'm looking at Microsoft, and I'm looking at Open Air,
I don't know that there's danger.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And people who are believers feel like, you know, it's
the monic, so they still is danger. But the general public,
who are neither you know, believers or in the space,
they wouldn't know, so they'd get.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Caught off guard. Parents wouldn't necessarily know either.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It's like it's like if they just like right now,
they have a kids channel on YouTube, right, they're supposed
to be just the kids, So my daughter puts just
the kids channel on the planet. However, you know, shorts
pop through that are not kids friendly? Yeah, all that
until it pop up. So when she realized that this
is still coming through, I have to I have to
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cut this off. So they wouldn't necessarily no, I could
tell you that when I look at social media, though,
which is technology, and a lot of people spend a
lot of time on So I'm not oddly enough, doctor Tim.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm not not a social media person. I don't spend
hardly any time on social media. I'm not that person.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
But a lot of kids spend their time on social media,
and it affects them emotionally, and it affects them mentally,
and you have to pay attention. I was telling my
husband yesterday, I think it was. I said to him,
I was because I was having a little rift about
what was going on in the world in the war,
And I said to him, so I put a put
a message in my family chat and I said, you know,
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it's so odd that nobody decided to call them and
say are you okay? Because I could be having a
straight mental breakdown right now, And because everybody's just going
about their business, they're not paying attention to the son.
That could mean, could possibly mean that something's wrong with me.
I said, there's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But it's just the fact that people just pull the
wool over there odes and say doesn't affect me.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So I don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So parents just have to pay attention when they know
their children. They know their children put the stocks on
one way and they put them on a different way,
then there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Pay attention.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
So I'm a person that pays attention to a lot
of things. I don't say a lot about a lot
of stuff, but I paid attention to a lot of things.
And so I would just tell any parent just pay
attention to your children.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know, see what they're looking at. Pay attention to
what they're watching. And it's the simplest things.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You may think you got these guardrails in place for
some kind of way, it will slip through the cracks.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It always does.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
And the way for you for that not to happen
is for you to create your thing for your kids.
So you know that, you know what, I'm monitoring, this,
I'm creating. This is not gonna happen on my watch.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yes we have so you know. I have a children's
Bible study that we do every two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Mary's babies, we had someone infiltrate try to get in
on the zoom call of Mary's babies, and I don't
know how they got in, right, they use technology. So
anything we have and anything created can be used for
good or evil, But they use technology. So that why
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I asked a question, what are some signs that we
may be entering into a technological danger zone? And your answer,
I love it, in my opinion was spot on. Not
only monitor our children, and we have to keep monitoring
websites that we visit as I used to have an
interior decorating business and I was looking up floor tiles
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for a client, different types and sizes of floor tiles,
and when I clicked on floor tiles, pornography popped up.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I've been using it. I've been going to the same
floor tiles site forever and forever. Then the next thing.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I know all this point and every time I clicked
the X out it got more and more graphic. Right,
So someone used it for evil. But we need technology,
we absolutely need it. And so you know the telephone call.
So in technology, I was a technofold I had in
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one of my former positions, I had a wonderful man
of God, who would I was our I used to
call him Adam Bob. So if you're watching son, you
know I would forget my password or I would forget
how to do something. And he was so gracious and
we come in. He said, you're afraid of technology. He
kept saying, don't be afraid of it. Don't be afraid,
Like if you push a button, something's going to grow
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up and that blow up. That's why I invoked the
spirit of the living God. You get what I'm saying.
I can't lean to my own understanding. So parents, watch
what your children are are are using. Watch the absent
even that the schools use.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
They're not safe.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I don't care if they go to a Christian school,
if they go to a charter school, a public school,
a private school. You have to do the monitoring of
what they are using in technology. So let me I
ask you this augery. What are some technological tricks used
against senior citizens?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How? How is people?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
How are they using technology to attack and trick senior citizens?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Can you give us some insight to that? Doctor Chen
you must have you must have been in my house
last week because my uncle lives with me. He's seventy
two years old. He comes to me he had. He
sends me a TikTok video. Right, it's a doctor talking
about God.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What was it it was?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It wasn't tumoric. It was some other kind of sub o,
a saffron. The doctor was talking about saffron on this
TikTok video he sent me, right, and why he needs
to buy his saffron and then why he needs to
buy this brand and it's one hundred percent natural, and
he was like, I need to get that brand. So
I said to him, that's a robot. He said, that's
a doctor. I said, it's not a doctor. That's a robot.
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That's an AI generated robot. It's not a doctor.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
And you don't need to get that brand.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Because because you have to look at the feature, so
it looks just like a doctor. His mouth was moving,
but the words that match up with it then sink
up with the mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That was the first thing. But the other thing too.
When you look at AI sometimes the facial expression don't
really change, like there's.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Really no facial expression, but it looks like a real
person talking because that's how good the technology is. And
I said to him, that's an AI generated robot. It's
not a real doctor.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So I had.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It took me two days to convince him, you do
not have to buy that brand. I can find you
a brand that has all the same ingredients. It's just
that they want you to buy this brand so they
can make some money.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
That is not a real person.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That is one of the key ways that seniors are
gonna be duped, one of the key ways because they
want to And in his case, he wants to stay healthy. Right,
he's had a stroke, he takes dialysis. So anything he sees,
if they say cut an onion and drop some lemon
juice on it, he's gonna cut the onion and drop
the lemon juice on it. He's gonna do whatever they say.
They say buy something, he's gonna buy it. And he
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comes to me and I have to tell you can't
buy that. That's gonna that may fraud your card. So
if they need people around them to make sure that
they don't get duped that way. And because I'm with him,
I'm always and I'm the one that buys everything to
come to me and say can you get this for me?
And I'll look at this. I don't think you should
do that because this is not a good thing. That
is one of the major ways that the scenes are
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gonna get dope because the people look so real. So
that we go back to that whole that whole thing
about people doing using the tech acknology for evil. I'm
not saying that that company was using for evil. I
was saying to him, I don't know the company.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I don't buy anything on TikTok. I buy stuff on Amazon.
Let me go to Amazon and find the product. So
that's one of the major ways that they're going to
be duped. The other way, Doctor Chin is on telephone.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Remember a few minutes ago, I said, I was creating
a voice agent for an attorney for a firm. Right,
it sounds just like a person. Once again, he's in
he's in the room, in his room. I'm in the office, right,
and the phone rangs. He answered, and he goes, hi,
mister Harris. He goes yes.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
They start talking to him, right, and I'm listening to him.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So he's getting frustrated because because it's an AI, it's
gonna pause like a person, but it's not gonna really.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Hear what you say sometimes, and then it starts to
talk over you. So I had to get out my
chair and go in and say, Hey, that's a robot.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
He goes, what do you mean. I said, that's not
a real person you're talking to. It's a robot. I said,
just hang up because it's not a person. So they're
gonna get duped that way.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
And so you want to hearing Gwinnette County where I live.
One of the things that I'm working with the government
on is putting together a platform of events to do
just that, to talk to sceners about how to recognize fakes,
write what to do if they notice a fake, and
things like that. That's how they're gonna be dope because
the technology is so great, and you got people who
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will just they do evil things because they want money.
They're gonna use those things towards that demographical people, and
that's where they're gonna that's where they're gonna get it.
At the most, it's gonna be voice and video because
they look so real and sounds so real.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
My husband and I had to renovate a condo and.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
We were on the last payment as the phase was
progressing in the completion of the project, and I got
an email that looked exactly like the contractor's email had
all the photos that she sent me of the progression
of the project. We were choosing colors when I couldn't
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be down there at the time. And she has a
daughter that lives in a certain state that we had
talked about. Well, the person that got a hold of
all of these photos and all of this information sent
me an email and said, hey, got a new bank account,
send me the balance to this and go ahead and
copy my daughter so and so so that if I
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don't check my email, she'ld check it too.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The email looked exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The only difference was where there was a number one
in her email address, the scammer replaced it for the
lowercase L.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And I said, and I was getting ready to.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Send the money, and I said, no, something's not right,
and I'm talking about invoking the Holy Spirit. That desernment
kicked in.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So I texted her and I said, are you sure
you want me to put it in this bank account?
Blah blah blahlah blah. She didn't respond, so I said,
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So I texted her again and I said, until I
hear from you by text her by telephone, I'm not
going to do it. So she said, I don't know
what you're talking about. When she called me back, she said,
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I forwarded her all the whole string of emails, and
I tell you.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So I went to the bank because I have an
account at this other bank too, and I said, what
would have happened? They said, well, we've done our investigation,
but there's no guarantee that you would have gotten that
money back.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And when I'm talking about, this was a lot of money.
So they're slick.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Use desernment people, invoke the Holy Spirit. If you are
a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, don't lean to
your own understanding, but acknowledge God in all your ways,
and He will direct your past.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
God is real.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
He's not some ethereal, ethereal person in the sky that
we can't reach and touch of feard. He's a living
God with a living word.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
So gonna go back? Or do you want to ask
you this? Do you have a mentor? And do you
mentor people in technology?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I don't have a mentor. I used to have a mentor,
but I mentor many. I mentor a lot. I was
mentor people in the grocery store. Doctor, you know they
stop and ask me a question. If they get me
on a good day, they got a good mentoring session.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I don't have one.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I used to have one, and I have great people
around me, though I have some great people that I
can just call on and ask questions to. But I
do mentor a lot of folks. I mentor a lot
of folks. I train a lot of people. I just
finished a five day boot camp last week. I have
another schedule in August. I help a lot of people
do a lot of things. I helped him navigate through
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all of this technology. And it's oddly enough, the people
that seek me out are people that are my age
or older. And I don't even I don't. That's not
a demographic that I was focused on. It's just like
that's who that's who's seek me out. And so I
think about when I was taking care of my mom
and her brother, and I was like, this is what
God was preparing me for. You know, I couldn't figure out.
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You know, I had to go back and take care him,
and I did it without any kind of hesitating anything.
But I realized He was preparing me for this because
everybody that he sends to me, these days for the
last pibly three to five years has they have been
older and messed myself.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'm not techy at all. Who really want to do
something might really want to do something, and so I
don't mind. And I think for me, it's about being
patient and kind of holding people hands. And I've heard
people say I'm not I don't have time.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
To do all that woudry, you know. They tell me
I can't do all that what you do. I don't
have time to hold people hand and nurture them like that.
But it's just who I am. So I don't don't
have one mentor I do have. I'm in like some
some different groups and things like that that I pay for,
and I'm just there to listen and be inspied and
be motivated, especially like the one I'm in at eight
o'clock in the morning. I'm I'm in an accountability call
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at six o'clock tomorrow morning, every Tuesday at six.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Am, and we just get up and we just shoot
the breeze. So I one and am I'm thankful for
our relationship.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'm so grateful for you because you have helped me
to grow, you have helped our ministry to evolve. And
that's another reason too. You are a couple other people
I don't use, but so many vendors. You know, my
husband and I have a business and I have a
couple of ministries. I need someone who is technologically savvy.
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And I constantly pray about my relationship with the vendors
because I'm not that great a technology.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I don't have the time to do that. That's the
wonderful thing about the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
We all have gifts and talent and abilities that when
they're used to build His kingdom, God will bless it.
He will bless it, he will touch And so I'm
grateful for how you have helped me build this platform
for podcasting because you know, I wasn't trying to talk
to anybody, remember Ordrey, I was, and so you have
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been a huge part of the growth behind the scenes
and even in front of camera. And so I thank
you for your integrity. And that's what we need people
with hearts of integrity.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
So people as you.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Are listening and sharing, and like I said to her,
I shrink back from certain things technologically because I have
When you got this thing on the inside of you
call the Holy Spirit or knower, he will tell me
when the back off.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Remember, even I will cont listen.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
If you don't know enough yourself, have somebody like an
Audery and I have a couple other people, and you
know I've done this and ask you is this real?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Would you look at this and tell me if this
is real? And her.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Audrey's reach is so far nationally and internationally that there
was someone she knew personally that I thought may have
been a fake that reached out to me through email.
Do you remember what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And we need we need somebody that you can go to.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Whatever you're building, whatever you're creating, whatever you're doing, ask
God to show you who to bring in because you
can't do it all yourself.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Otherwise God didn't call you to do it. You need
somebody to help you do this thing. So, Audrey, I
also want to ask you this, and I know we're
out of time. Do you have one more time for
one more question? Yeah? Yeah, because I got to comment
to so yeah, I do have more time. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
How would you advise new business owners or ministry leaders
who are afraid of technology? How would you advise them
to approach it?
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I will say, first, first, find out what it is
you're trying to accomplish, right, So if you let me
tell you something, and doctor Chenna and I have had
this conversation for I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Not a big Bible reader, right, but God protects me,
he guides me. He would throw something in my way
to stop me from doing the wrong thing. He just
does that, and I'd be like, Okay, guy, oh, I
know I was supposed to do that. So if you
know that you have a strong relationship with God and
you don't know how to go, then you go to
God first.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
But I would say for.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Any business owner, any leader, figure out what it is
you really want to do, what do you want to
use the technology for?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Because there's so many ways to.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Go, and you can easily get lost, you can easily
get overwhelmed, you can easily go down a rabbit hole,
especially if you don't know what you want to do,
and so you want to figure out what do I
want to use this for. Am I trying to build
a way site?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
If I'm trying to build a website because I don't
have a budget, then I need to figure out which
website builder is the best, Right, I don't have a
budget to hire website buildings.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I want to do it myself, which.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
To ask somebody, you know, if you want to create
a mobile app, you know, okay, I want to create
a mobile app for my service. I wanted to have
streaming inside the inside of the app. I wanted to
have all these things.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
If you don't know how to do that, you can
go to a site like you to me d M
why and learn anything for twelve dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
If you know that you're not the person that's going
to learn the implement then that may not be the
thing for you. Once you figure out what that thing is.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
If you know you're not going to do it, go
to fiber. Somebody all will in Fiber will do something
for you. So first figure out what it is you
want to do. Make sure it's just something that you
can commit to, because a lot of people jump out
and they want to do stuff right, not understanding the
commitment that it's going to take to make it succeed.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So that's the first thing I would say. And Pa
terse leaders, I'm working with a past to right now
in Clayton County. We had a long meeting yesterday.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
He has a beautiful vision and he was a little
bit afraid too, And I said to him, listen, I
don't need you to be afraid. I need you to
tell me what the vision is and why you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
He has a great heart, doctor Tim, And I told
and I said to asked Barbara who introduced me, and said,
he has a wonderful heart.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
And he said, I'm trusting you. I said, well, trust
me because gonna make sure you go down the right path.
But I know his vision. He had a vision.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
It was written out playing. I was like, okay, we
can work with this vision. Let's take this vision. Let's
turn it into something. So I'm gonna deliver his stuff
to him by the end of the week so he
can go into his meeting next week with that. So
just have a vision, make the commitment, meant to see
it through, because that's important. And then if you are unsure,
you know, go to God and ask the question. I
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personally he throw things right in my way. He said,
don't do that, and I won't do it, like you
don't have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Twice. I was like, okay, I'm not doing that. I
always look for the signs.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
One thing I wanted to say before we close is
that we're gonna have to start taking our personal relationship
just a step further right, just like your bank account,
you're going to have to start putting colds on your relationships.
And the reason I say that is because your.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Kids are talking online. You're talking online, they can clone
your voice easily. The tools are amazing.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Your own ring and it sounds like your kid and
they're crying and screaming saying they got me, they got me.
You need to say, what's our emergency password. If they
can't give you that password, then it's not them. And
I know that sounds crazy, but we have one in
my family because I need for the kids to know.
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If you don't give me this password and you need
to put it in your phone and a note somewhere,
we're not doing anything. Because that's how smart criminals are.
And criminals have always been criminals and they always will be.
So you want to make sure that in order to
protect your family, that you create some kind of past
code that the family knows about. So if you get
a strange phone call and it sounds just like your mother,
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your uncle, your your niece, your nephew, what's the past code?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
And you need to.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
You have to do that right now, because it's only
getting I'm talking about by the day, Like I'll go
to sleep this week, next week is something brand new
and better. So I just wanted to say that to
anybody's listening, and you got to. If you have a grandmother,
a grandfather or aunt you know, tell them, hey, hey, auntie,
you know I need you to remember.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
This past code. So if they say it's me calling you,
ask them what's the past code. My sister does it.
My sister does that with So I hope y'all heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Create a code for your family, children and adults, senior citizens.
Create a code so that if you do get an
emergency call standing there in trouble, ask them what's our
code and what's our password. Thank you, thank you, thank
you Apostle in It, and thank you Joyce so much
for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And so.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
We know that there's evil in the world, we know
that there's good because there's God. And so again I
just want to thank you Orgie. Thank you for taking
an extra time today as well, and for helping us
to talk about this big thing called technology. And I
wish you all the best in business and as you continue,
because I know I'm not the only leader that you
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that you help. I wish you all the best and
all the good that you do and helping us to
grow our businesses and this things for God's glory. I
love you so very much, and you and I will
talk again in about two weeks.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Won't we? Yes, we will, Yes, we will listen.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
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do and she is doing the work, and I'm so
happy to be able to support her and doing that work.
You know, I know I'm not a I don't I
don't read the Bible like I should, but I know
God has always had my back and he always will.
But those of you are struggling trying to find your way,
reach out to her.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
She is a woman of God. She's one that I
believe in, and she's one that I support and one
that I love.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
So you reach out to her. You go to her website.
She has great programs there your children. She has a
great program. Mary's Baby.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I love that name. By the way, Doctor Tim Mary's Baby.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
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But anyway, thank you guys for being here with us.
We'll be back in two weeks, same place, same time,
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, everybody today is a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Guess who's on the other side of the interview today.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So hey, doctor Chin, Hello, my friend Audrey. How are you.
I'm good. I'm good. Today's gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Doctor Chen is gonna be throwing some questions at me
about technology and AI and all that good stuff and
stuff that I spend most of my days doing and
helping people do.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's always good for me to be on the other
side because I'm always talking, Doctor Chin. We did the
AIS and I talked so much I literally lost my voice,
like I was like my throat was hurting so bad.
And someone asked me, yes, like how did it go?
I said, it was about eight hundred people there, and
everybody stopped by the talk. And by the time you
talk to so many people you're out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
So but I enjoyed myself. I can't even I can't
even say it because I got a chance to be
on the other side. So well, thank you for having
me as a guest today. I'm so I'm so excited
and I'm so honored to be a part of you
as Steam Panel on Technology.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So thank you so much for that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And thank you for saying yes. And you know, I've
been really listening for topics that God would have us
to talk about so that we can understand really what's
going on in the life of women and black women
and professional women.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Of all colors.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And so when I thought about it, I saw certain
people in my mind's eye, and you were definitely one
of those people. And so we've a doctor Shanahan, who
is a biologist, a PhD in biology who does the
uh restsearch cancer research. And then we've had Kneta Rainey,
(02:10):
who was an electro mechanical engineer who designs warfare weapons.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And now we have you on the tech side.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I just from talking to you on the basis
that we do, I hear things in the background that
I knew we needed to tap into for such a
time as this. So today I wanted to focus on technology,
the technology part of STEM and because like I said,
we did the science, we did the engineering, and we
(02:39):
may it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
To the map.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you're I want you briefly to tell us about yourself,
and you know, I've got a bunch of questions to
ask and so, uh, just tell us a little bit
about yourself and your background, Waudry, if you will, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I was.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I was born here in Georgia, but I was raised
in Jersey. Iduating from West Side of High School.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I grew up in North New Jersey. So shout out
to all my friends in New York, New Jersey. So
I grew up in Newark.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
And interestingly enough, I was great in math and science.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Those are my things.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I tell people when I went to college, they
told me to go to college to be an accountant,
and that didn't work out because I found that to
be too mundane for me, and I was like, I
don't like this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If someone had told.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Me to go to school to be an engineer, my
life path might have been a little bit different. But
I've been an entrepreneur for twenty eight years, twenty six
of those years full time, working from home. I'm an inventor.
I invented the first plus sized fashion dolls. I'm my author,
and I'm the president and the founder of Women's Chamber
of Commerce, where we helped women in business start grow.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
In scale businesses. So I wear a lot of hats.
I tried not to.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I remember back in the day when you wore so
many hats, people didn't know how to perceive you.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now that's like a badge of honor. They say, I
got seven streams of incomes.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But so I feel a little bit better about that.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But just I'm a diehard entrepreneur till until they put
me in a box office.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's who I am. I love that.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean I love it because we look at this
generation now and that's who they are. They are the entrepreneurs.
And a lot of times I hear people calling it
a side hustle, or hear people say have the business,
but they don't know how to operate the business. They
know how to function and their skill and in their talent,
but they don't necessarily know the business side. And so
(04:24):
maybe that will be our next focus, is how to
function and operate in business, even in technology. So when
did you begin to flow and move toward the technology side.
You've been in business twenty eight years, so have you
been flowing in that vein that long?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It started around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when I launched
my first podcast, well not my first podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I wanted money.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Get I didn't even know I was daggling with AI.
So what I wanted to do is make sure that
my podcast was everywhere. And one of the places that
include it was being on Amazon Alexa. And I was like, well,
wait a minute, I could put my podcast on Amazon Alexa.
So it kind of started. It kind of gave me
a little bit like, Okay, this is something that's in
people houses. If I back up a little bit further
(05:13):
than that, I launched a TV network back in twenty
thirteen called her Tube, and we reached out to a
company to develop by apps and stuff for us, and
they told us a lot of money, like twenty five
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And we didn't have that.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
And so what I did was I sat down and
I found a company who had when I tell you,
it was a brought back back office panel that was
very difficult to use. But I sat there for three
months and I taught myself how to use it, and
I built the first TV app for our company and
it was on Rocu TV. So for those of you
who don't know, Roku is a streaming service, but they
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also big TVs. And that was in twenty and thirteen.
In twenty and fourteen, and Amazon came out with streaming TV,
and I learned how to get us on Amazon. And
in twenty eighteen, I learned how to get my podcasts
on Amazon Alexa. So I kind of started my journey
into tech around twenty thirteen and then ever since then,
I just kind of been in that space. I probably
(06:09):
started way before then, and I didn't recognize it was
tech because I think I started. I learned how to
do websites in nineteen who I'm dating myself nineteen ninety four.
My daughter is years old, and I wanted to do
a career shift and I was working at the hospital
in New it for like eight and a half years,
and I wanted to do a career shift. So I
learned how to do websites, but I didn't stick with that.
(06:32):
I didn't really like that, so I just sticked with
that for long. Then I learned how to do desktop
publishing and newsletters, and I've been doing those forever and
I still do newsletters to this day for myself and
for clients. So I guess it started back in nineteen
ninety four, but I didn't recon as it was tech.
I just thought I was doing something.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Extra, okay, So that's where I'm going next. With one,
it seems like you may be right brain and left
brain with the creative and the technical side of theolytical side.
But you know, technology is such a vast field. What
would you say and how did you narrow in on
(07:13):
your specific area? What is your specific area and how
did you narrow in on it?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I am right green and left brain when it
pertains to And I didn't know that about myself until
someone said I was very analytical. And I was like
me because I'm thinking I'm not analytical, but they was like, well,
you really are, So I didn't think I was right
now love, I love AI, and I have a lot
of people who are definitely afraid of AI. For me,
(07:40):
I see AI as being a great equalizer. I feel
like it's going to give people a lot more opportunities
and because of the ease of use, the ease of use.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
The low barrier to entry and the low financial outlay
for it. Right, So I have leaned. I'm leaned all
the way in on AI because of what I see
it could do. I see it creating new business opportunities.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I see it create opportunities to help business and streamline
and grow and and and just multiply. And for me,
I feel like this is an opportunity for families to say, Okay,
even if you're not the tech person is this isn't
somebody in your family that can learn how to use
like no code tools and teach the family how to
(08:21):
do things.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So I'm lean leaning heavily.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Into AI for those very reasons, because I feel like
it's a lot of opportunities for people to invent and
create things that they can turn into streams of revenue
and then take it and train somebody else and keep
it going like each one, teach one and train and
training that kind of thing. Yeah, that's what That's what
I'm leaning at right now.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay, So AI So interestingly enough, so I like detective shows.
My husband I love detective shows and tell mysteries to
some degree. But I don't know if you remember a
show called Personal Interest that came out over twenty years ago,
I believe personal interest and they were talking about AI then,
so we think it's new, and correct me if I'm wrong.
(09:04):
So AI, we know it's artificial intelligence. But AI is
really a technology that has collected data of all that
we have used and put in and spoken into computers
and websites that we've gone to, and things that we've
(09:27):
purchased through rewards points and all of that. They've collected
all of that data and can create something just like
that using my voice and my background my purchase.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is that true? That's postially true.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So when you think about AI, that is correct that
it has gathered all of this information that we as
human humans have put into the system, right, and it
has trained itself on all this.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Data that we have freely given over to it in
order for it to really mimic you.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Once you sign into a platform, let's say chat GPT
or Claude or Gemini or Perplexi or man so whichever
one it is, you then start you train the AI
about you. So my AI, my chat GBT, pretty pretty
much knows everything about me, to the point where I
asked her a question and I didn't realize first, I
was like, oh my god, it really knows me. Then
(10:19):
I realized, wait a minute, it's kind of mimicking back
what I just said. So it was like it was like,
it knows me because I have I have said said
AI is the money. I'm going to touch on that
people that I had a lot I feel like I
feel about AI when it comes to the religion and spirituality,
(10:40):
about like I feel about money. Right when I was
growing up, I used to hear money as the root
of all evil. I see that all the time, like
my grandmother's, my aunts, everybody. And in reality, it is
not that it's not the tool that's the money, it's
the people that use a tool. It's not the money
that's evil, it's the people that use the money.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And what they use it for.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so there will be a lot of people left
behind because this is how they feel.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Not you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I try not to tell people how to feel because
that's not my place. But there will be a lot
of people left behind in the AI space because of that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I have a friend and she's funny, she's a client
and a friend, and she's very We need to stick
the topic. Ad yeaped up bring me back, what was
I saying? Because that kind of that kind of through
me because I get that a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's okay, yeah, and we're gonna talk about that. So
I thank you apostle in it for chiming in. But
I was asking you where it come from, and you
said it came from the data that we freely give
it and uh and that it doesn't lot and you
feel some people would be left out because they're afraid
of AI. Yeah, well, if you do train it, so
you would you train your AI on you. So if
(11:51):
you're using Chat, GBT, A Claude or Gemini, any of
those things, you can train your You can train your
AI about you. You can literally go in and say,
i'm I want you to talk like me. I want
you to say girl, or I want you to say
like I always end my show it until next time,
make it a great day.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It can sign all my emails until next time, make
it a great day without me saying that, because I
have trained it to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So you can mimic be like you. But it is.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
It is a lot of content that's been put into
the system by so many people all over the world.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So this is I listened.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
We had a pastor's retreat last week and we had
a homework assignment and I listened to how someone responded
and created. So the assignment was.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
To write a lament. And this is what the Woman
of God did.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
She told chat GPT. She said, I'm a and I'll
give you an example. Like I'll just give an example.
So I'm a white, seventy year old male working in
janitorial profession. I have seven kids, and I want to
(13:09):
put my kids through college, but I don't know how
to make money, and I want to do it within
the next five years.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So she put in.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Information like that and chat GPT came back with a
lament or a psalm if you will, and it was
spot on to what she said she wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It to do.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then she had an app called Sono or Suna,
which turned it into a song right and immediately, you know,
I didn't say anything, and let's be honest, it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
If you heard it, it was wonderful. It was beautiful.
But I shrunk back. And I'm going to tell you why.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because I said anything that can create something that quick
about you, because you tell it so much about yourself,
in my opinion, is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And I say that to say this, it's almost like Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
If we remember Frankenstein way way, way, way way back
in the day where we were children and I'm in
my mid sixties, where this scientist created this monster that
got out of hand. It was Frankenstein. It got away
from him and it got out of hand. I understand
spiritual things very clearly, much more than I understand technology.
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But I understand technology through the spirit of the living God.
And so I understand why apostle Eni called it demonic.
Scripture does say that knowledge would increase and that we
were going to be running to and fro in the
Book of Daniel, and so it's anything. The thing created
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can never be greater than its creator. The thing created
can never be greater than its creator. So did we
create AI or as now AI trying to create and
control us? See, that's that's another one of my caveats
is that we would allow technology to control the way
we think. You have people now using AI therapists, right,
(15:10):
AI financial background help me, you know what I'm trying
to say, people who manage their finances. And I understand
your side too, right, So I'm not here to judge
ain't but one law given one judge, and that's God.
But I do have desernment, so as it relates to
what was stated that it is the mondic and as
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I said, I shrunk back from using it to that degree.
In fact, I've never created anything with chat GP, I
never have. What do you say about that knowing? Do
you feel like you know God enough? Or you would
say you're.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All in with AI? Yep? My answer is yes, I
know God enough.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I go back to what I said before when
people would say money is the root of all evil.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Money is not eil.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Money is a tool tool and the people that use
the money is the ones that are evil, and it
goes back, I'll.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Say the same thing about AI. I can sit here
and I can say, and I give you a prime example.
About two months ago, something some travesty I saw in
the news had popped up.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It was something evil, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Asked, shatgeta, is they're a way for us to make
a pill that people can take so they can just
be good at heart? And it said there is, but
that's unethical, right, And I was like, oh, I didn't
expect it to say that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I was saying to my husband. I was like, Wow,
that's funny. If I was an evil person, I could
definitely use AI as for evil. Right, It's only a tool.
It can't walk, it can't come into your house. You
have to let it in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
You have to invite it in. We let it do
these things, right, So you have to do these things.
Will people get lost in absolutely because the technology is
going so fast to the point where you know they
are lonely people who want companionship. So then there's an
AI that there are blond people who want to see, Well,
there's an a out of that, there's people who want
(17:05):
to hear, there's an aout for that. It's the people
who use the tool.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
For me.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I feel like it is also a way for us
to say, Okay, what problem can I solve in the world,
because this is what I use it for.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I use it for problem solving. I look in and say, Okay,
what problem can I solve in this world? And that's
what I use it for.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
There are gonna be some people say what, what what
bad can I do in this world? And that's what
they're going to use it for. So we right now,
on a community economic development level, we're looking at how
can we make.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Sure it stays ethical?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
How can we make sure we rein it in Unless
we got the money of the people who started these companies,
we're not gonna be able to do a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We can go and we can lobby in DC.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
We can libby at the state House and say, hey, listen,
let's make sure we got protective parameters in place, make
sure it's safe. Now, I can tell you that Claude
which was started. The person that started Claude was with
the company called Anthropic. They started with tat GT first,
but they felt like it was getting out of hand,
so they left and they went and started Claude, which
is the same type of platform, but they put in
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on guardrails. So it's really the people. It's not the tool,
it's the people. So this person said, we're gonna put
in guard rails. This person said, we just gonna go.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So we have a government saying, gohad, we have a
government that's saying we have five hundred billion dollars to
release to to to relax the regulation, so you can
just go.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So it's the people. It's not the tool. It's actually
the people.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So I want to go back to something you said
where people say love of money is the root of you,
that's not scripture. The Bible does not say love. The
Bible does not say money is the root of all evil.
The Bible says the love of money is the root
of all evil. Right, So that a lot of times
people misquote scripture and think they're saying something that's truth.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
When you misquote truth, it's no longer truth. Right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So money is not the root of all evil. Let's
get that clear. The Bible never said that. It says
the love of it. And you're saying, so what I
hear you saying is the love of Ai.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Right? It could be the root of all evil.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
What's in a person's heart towards it and how they
manage it is what I hearing you saying.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Am I hearing you correctly? And I understand that. I
totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And but so she said, it is the ultimate monitoring spirit.
And this is the thing too that I think, you know,
God knows where we are. He knows when Ai came
into place, He knew someone was going.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
To create it.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He created the brain of the person and the people
who created Because he's God, what we do with what
he gives us is our responsibility and we will give
an account for it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Right, So, I believe.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And I've heard some people say, you know that they
use it for ministry and kingdom building and blood, this,
that and the other thing. And I'm not going to
touch that today because that's not the topic. But what
we're saying is, she says, I'm concerned that it's going
to take over us. It's really scary. If you believe
in God, then it can't take over us. If you're
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a believer, then AI can't take over you. It would
mean it would own you and possess you. You're owned
by God, You're blood bought.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Amen. I thank you for posting that too, Joyce. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So I wanted to talk The reason why I wanted
to talk about this is because we do have people
in technology and I wanted to bring a greater understanding
to technology and what it can do, and we are
responsible to handle things with ethics and morality.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Alcohol is not evil, but the abuse of it is.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Right, you know, some people use whatever it is, medicinal
marijuana or whatever that is. It is the abuse of
things that can become that make it evil abuse, meaning
that you're using something.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Not according to its proper function.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You can take a spoon and dig a hole, but
it's not a spoon is for you to eat food with. Right,
you can abuse it, use it to something for that's
not for its original purpose. So tell us two things
you used technology to do. So answer specifically. We're not
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gonna go down rabbit trails, but two things I heard
you say one of the wonderful things I did hear
you say that you did, and if you don't mention it,
I'll bring it up. So name two things that you
used technology to do. And when I say technology, I
don't necessarily mean AI, I mean technology in its broadest terms.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I use technology to produce this show. That's one thing,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I use technology to train people and teach them how
to use different tools and things like that. I use
technology every day, and the reason I do is because
they make my life. It makes my life simpler.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know. Right now, I'm.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Creating a tool for some lawyers, right They just started
a new partnership firm together. They don't have the capital
to hire uh paralegal. And they came to me and
they say, listen, we need to we need to have
we need to have someone answer the telephone for us.
But we you know, we can't afford a paralygule right now.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Because we're new, we're literally just opening the doors. So
just for them, I'm creating a voice agent so that
agent can answer the phone and answer questions about what
they offer and book appointments.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So I use it every day for something. What other
things have you used it to do? That's one?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Oh my god, make a lot of music. I make
a lot of music. I'm launching a site for my granddaughter,
she's six years old. She has a psych called Cardo Can.
It's a learning platform. I've used it to write a book.
I've used it to create software. There's a software right
now that I've used called that I've created called Hey Daisy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It is a virtual.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Assistant and bookkeeper and software for small solopreneurs like hairdressers
and barbers and electricians who don't necessarily know how to
use quick books or have the time, and they don't
have the funds to hire someone to answer the phone,
so they can use they can do Hey Daisy and
hey Day's answer the phone and do the books at
the same time. And for those who do like cash
app and chime and Venmo. So I've created that a right,
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I do a lot in that space with the things
that I create are to help people. So you know
I used to I told my uncle Jess yesterday, I said, boy,
if I was criminal minded, i'd be super rich and
I would have been rich long before technology.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But I'm just not that person. So for me, I'm
using what I've want for good.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Right, But we all use technology, everybody, everybody who has
a cell phone, who uses email, who uses learning tones
for their children, who use iPads, iPhones, or even if
it's a what's the other brand? I know y'all hate
me right now, not the Apple, but the other one,
the Android? Right well, use Facebook PI. This is all
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of this has come about by technology. So when I
say this topic is about technology, I'm not. I'm using
it in its broadest terms. We're not talking specifically about chat,
GPT or AI today. We're talking about technology in its
broadest form, right. So I understand clearly and have some
of the same concerns about chat, GPT.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And AI, So I don't I don't use it. I
don't use anything that I don't really understand. So that's
for me.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
There's something that I understand that I don't use. But
this is what we all have to understand too. We
have vendors, family members involved in ministries, watch movies, engage
in a lot of things that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Do use AI. So let's let's all be honest. Let's
let let's let's all be very clear.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So the one thing that I like that you said
that you learned about technology is that you created a
learning tool for your granddaughter, which I know includes some
artificial intelligence. Right, absolutely, let me say this, doctor change.
The reason smartphones got the name smartphones is because it's
all AI.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I know. I know that, and we've been walking around
with it since when like the early or whatever. That's
how I got the name. They just didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Like when I started, when I started the TV network,
I said before, I didn't even realize what I was doing.
I just know that I wanted to be on TV
with my show, and I learn how to use this technology,
not thinking that this was smart technology.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
So we've been using a long time. I think AI
has been around since like nineteen thirty nine or something,
so it's been there all along. You know, technology has
been around since the beginning of time. It just has
evolved over time to the point that we now understand
what it looks like and it's gonna get smart and
smarter as it goes. But here's the other thing too.
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On some points it's gonna make life better for people.
On the other side, it's not gonna make life.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Better for people.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
The people will embrace what they need to embrace so
it can make their lives better. It will, But for
those who say I'm tech, I'm tech phobic, I'm smart
tech phobic, they're gonna they're gonna kind of get left behind.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And that's the sad part.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But well, people can get left behind it. You know,
it's got people left behind. It ain't reach absolutely absolutely
believe getting left behind because they don't because they're not
walking in obedience. So so with the learning tool, for you,
your granddaughter tell us some of the things I remember
in passing. You told that some of the things that's
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going to help her do.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's not only want to help her, it's going to
help other kids. So it's called Cardacan and it's a
learning platform. It teaches ABC's, it teaches color, it teaches
things about animals. It has foreign languages built into it
so they can learn how to speak different languages. It
is a learning platform.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And then on one.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Side of it you will see her the person, her drill,
her doing her little dances and her little songs and
things like that. It's her platform. And the reason I
did that was because my daughter does not want her
to be on YouTube because it has too much stuff
on there.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And I said to her, if you don't want her
to be on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
They gotta be other parents who want their kids to
learn stuff, but they don't want them to be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So we decided to.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I decided to create a platform that kids can be
come to and the parents can feel good about and
they can sing along and dance along, learn along all
on that platform.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And so yeah, we're just finishing it up now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And see that's the thing. To be able to manage
what we are creating. That's important.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And for me now this is me. I can't speak
for anybody else.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I always ask the Holy Spirit show me I've gone,
and show me how to use this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
How can I use this for your glory? If you
believe in God. If you believe in God, you ask
him about everything.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
We don't lean to our own understanding, not in technology,
not in biblical understanding.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Listen, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
When I go grocery shopping and shopping for clothes, I
ask the Holy Spirit take me to where the sales are.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Let me focus on what I came in for.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So, no matter what it is, technology, science, math, engineering,
whatever these things are, invite God in. Invite God into it.
That's the thing for us, because this is a faith
based show. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, dead,
buried and resurrected. I believe in the Holy Spirit. I'm
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just telling you about doctor Linda Chin. And so this
is a wonderful thing that we're having this conversation. And
I'm sure we can go left and right and up
and down and all the way around. But there are
many things that we could not do today that we
if we did not use technology. Yeah, you couldn't live
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stream without technology. So I want to ask you this,
do you so we know that you've used technology to
help advance the learning for children, What are some signs
you think about leap Frog and all these things parents
were buying ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know what Leapfrog and all that is right? Absolutely learn.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
So my question to you is what would be a
sign to a parent that we're entering to technological danger.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Zones when I'm knowing it necessarily, I don't know if
it would necessarily be very apparent to parents or just
the general public in general. You have to actually be
using the tools or paying attention to the news, right
because it's dangerous right now.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But if you're not in that space, you wouldn't know that.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
If you're not if you're not using the technology, if
you're not following the leaders who create the technology, you
wouldn't know. So I know, because I'm looking at Anthropic
and I'm looking at Microsoft, and I'm looking at Open Air,
I don't know that there's danger.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And people who are believers feel like, you know, it's
the monic, so they still is danger. But the general public,
who are neither you know, believers or in the space,
they wouldn't know, so they'd get.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Caught off guard. Parents wouldn't necessarily know either.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It's like it's like if they just like right now,
they have a kids channel on YouTube, right, they're supposed
to be just the kids, So my daughter puts just
the kids channel on the planet. However, you know, shorts
pop through that are not kids friendly? Yeah, all that
until it pop up. So when she realized that this
is still coming through, I have to I have to
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cut this off. So they wouldn't necessarily no, I could
tell you that when I look at social media, though,
which is technology, and a lot of people spend a
lot of time on So I'm not oddly enough, doctor Tim.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm not not a social media person. I don't spend
hardly any time on social media. I'm not that person.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
But a lot of kids spend their time on social media,
and it affects them emotionally, and it affects them mentally,
and you have to pay attention. I was telling my
husband yesterday, I think it was. I said to him,
I was because I was having a little rift about
what was going on in the world in the war,
And I said to him, so I put a put
a message in my family chat and I said, you know,
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it's so odd that nobody decided to call them and
say are you okay? Because I could be having a
straight mental breakdown right now, And because everybody's just going
about their business, they're not paying attention to the son.
That could mean, could possibly mean that something's wrong with me.
I said, there's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But it's just the fact that people just pull the
wool over there odes and say doesn't affect me.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So I don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So parents just have to pay attention when they know
their children. They know their children put the stocks on
one way and they put them on a different way,
then there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Pay attention.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
So I'm a person that pays attention to a lot
of things. I don't say a lot about a lot
of stuff, but I paid attention to a lot of things.
And so I would just tell any parent just pay
attention to your children.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know, see what they're looking at. Pay attention to
what they're watching. And it's the simplest things.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You may think you got these guardrails in place for
some kind of way, it will slip through the cracks.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It always does.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
And the way for you for that not to happen
is for you to create your thing for your kids.
So you know that, you know what, I'm monitoring, this,
I'm creating. This is not gonna happen on my watch.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yes we have so you know. I have a children's
Bible study that we do every two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Mary's babies, we had someone infiltrate try to get in
on the zoom call of Mary's babies, and I don't
know how they got in, right, they use technology. So
anything we have and anything created can be used for
good or evil, But they use technology. So that why
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I asked a question, what are some signs that we
may be entering into a technological danger zone? And your answer,
I love it, in my opinion was spot on. Not
only monitor our children, and we have to keep monitoring
websites that we visit as I used to have an
interior decorating business and I was looking up floor tiles
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for a client, different types and sizes of floor tiles,
and when I clicked on floor tiles, pornography popped up.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I've been using it. I've been going to the same
floor tiles site forever and forever. Then the next thing.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I know all this point and every time I clicked
the X out it got more and more graphic. Right,
So someone used it for evil. But we need technology,
we absolutely need it. And so you know the telephone call.
So in technology, I was a technofold I had in
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one of my former positions, I had a wonderful man
of God, who would I was our I used to
call him Adam Bob. So if you're watching son, you
know I would forget my password or I would forget
how to do something. And he was so gracious and
we come in. He said, you're afraid of technology. He
kept saying, don't be afraid of it. Don't be afraid,
Like if you push a button, something's going to grow
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up and that blow up. That's why I invoked the
spirit of the living God. You get what I'm saying.
I can't lean to my own understanding. So parents, watch
what your children are are are using. Watch the absent
even that the schools use.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
They're not safe.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I don't care if they go to a Christian school,
if they go to a charter school, a public school,
a private school. You have to do the monitoring of
what they are using in technology. So let me I
ask you this augery. What are some technological tricks used
against senior citizens?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How? How is people?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
How are they using technology to attack and trick senior citizens?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Can you give us some insight to that? Doctor Chen
you must have you must have been in my house
last week because my uncle lives with me. He's seventy
two years old. He comes to me he had. He
sends me a TikTok video. Right, it's a doctor talking
about God.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What was it it was?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It wasn't tumoric. It was some other kind of sub o,
a saffron. The doctor was talking about saffron on this
TikTok video he sent me, right, and why he needs
to buy his saffron and then why he needs to
buy this brand and it's one hundred percent natural, and
he was like, I need to get that brand. So
I said to him, that's a robot. He said, that's
a doctor. I said, it's not a doctor. That's a robot.
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That's an AI generated robot. It's not a doctor.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
And you don't need to get that brand.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Because because you have to look at the feature, so
it looks just like a doctor. His mouth was moving,
but the words that match up with it then sink
up with the mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That was the first thing. But the other thing too.
When you look at AI sometimes the facial expression don't
really change, like there's.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Really no facial expression, but it looks like a real
person talking because that's how good the technology is. And
I said to him, that's an AI generated robot. It's
not a real doctor.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So I had.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It took me two days to convince him, you do
not have to buy that brand. I can find you
a brand that has all the same ingredients. It's just
that they want you to buy this brand so they
can make some money.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
That is not a real person.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That is one of the key ways that seniors are
gonna be duped, one of the key ways because they
want to And in his case, he wants to stay healthy. Right,
he's had a stroke, he takes dialysis. So anything he sees,
if they say cut an onion and drop some lemon
juice on it, he's gonna cut the onion and drop
the lemon juice on it. He's gonna do whatever they say.
They say buy something, he's gonna buy it. And he
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comes to me and I have to tell you can't
buy that. That's gonna that may fraud your card. So
if they need people around them to make sure that
they don't get duped that way. And because I'm with him,
I'm always and I'm the one that buys everything to
come to me and say can you get this for me?
And I'll look at this. I don't think you should
do that because this is not a good thing. That
is one of the major ways that the scenes are
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gonna get dope because the people look so real. So
that we go back to that whole that whole thing
about people doing using the tech acknology for evil. I'm
not saying that that company was using for evil. I
was saying to him, I don't know the company.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I don't buy anything on TikTok. I buy stuff on Amazon.
Let me go to Amazon and find the product. So
that's one of the major ways that they're going to
be duped. The other way, Doctor Chin is on telephone.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Remember a few minutes ago, I said, I was creating
a voice agent for an attorney for a firm. Right,
it sounds just like a person. Once again, he's in
he's in the room, in his room. I'm in the office, right,
and the phone rangs. He answered, and he goes, hi,
mister Harris. He goes yes.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
They start talking to him, right, and I'm listening to him.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So he's getting frustrated because because it's an AI, it's
gonna pause like a person, but it's not gonna really.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Hear what you say sometimes, and then it starts to
talk over you. So I had to get out my
chair and go in and say, Hey, that's a robot.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
He goes, what do you mean. I said, that's not
a real person you're talking to. It's a robot. I said,
just hang up because it's not a person. So they're
gonna get duped that way.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
And so you want to hearing Gwinnette County where I live.
One of the things that I'm working with the government
on is putting together a platform of events to do
just that, to talk to sceners about how to recognize fakes,
write what to do if they notice a fake, and
things like that. That's how they're gonna be dope because
the technology is so great, and you got people who
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will just they do evil things because they want money.
They're gonna use those things towards that demographical people, and
that's where they're gonna that's where they're gonna get it.
At the most, it's gonna be voice and video because
they look so real and sounds so real.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
My husband and I had to renovate a condo and.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
We were on the last payment as the phase was
progressing in the completion of the project, and I got
an email that looked exactly like the contractor's email had
all the photos that she sent me of the progression
of the project. We were choosing colors when I couldn't
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be down there at the time. And she has a
daughter that lives in a certain state that we had
talked about. Well, the person that got a hold of
all of these photos and all of this information sent
me an email and said, hey, got a new bank account,
send me the balance to this and go ahead and
copy my daughter so and so so that if I
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don't check my email, she'ld check it too.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The email looked exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The only difference was where there was a number one
in her email address, the scammer replaced it for the
lowercase L.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And I said, and I was getting ready to.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Send the money, and I said, no, something's not right,
and I'm talking about invoking the Holy Spirit. That desernment
kicked in.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So I texted her and I said, are you sure
you want me to put it in this bank account?
Blah blah blahlah blah. She didn't respond, so I said,
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So I texted her again and I said, until I
hear from you by text her by telephone, I'm not
going to do it. So she said, I don't know
what you're talking about. When she called me back, she said,
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I forwarded her all the whole string of emails, and
I tell you.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So I went to the bank because I have an
account at this other bank too, and I said, what
would have happened? They said, well, we've done our investigation,
but there's no guarantee that you would have gotten that
money back.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And when I'm talking about, this was a lot of money.
So they're slick.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Use desernment people, invoke the Holy Spirit. If you are
a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, don't lean to
your own understanding, but acknowledge God in all your ways,
and He will direct your past.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
God is real.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
He's not some ethereal, ethereal person in the sky that
we can't reach and touch of feard. He's a living
God with a living word.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
So gonna go back? Or do you want to ask
you this? Do you have a mentor? And do you
mentor people in technology?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I don't have a mentor. I used to have a mentor,
but I mentor many. I mentor a lot. I was
mentor people in the grocery store. Doctor, you know they
stop and ask me a question. If they get me
on a good day, they got a good mentoring session.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I don't have one.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I used to have one, and I have great people
around me, though I have some great people that I
can just call on and ask questions to. But I
do mentor a lot of folks. I mentor a lot
of folks. I train a lot of people. I just
finished a five day boot camp last week. I have
another schedule in August. I help a lot of people
do a lot of things. I helped him navigate through
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all of this technology. And it's oddly enough, the people
that seek me out are people that are my age
or older. And I don't even I don't. That's not
a demographic that I was focused on. It's just like
that's who that's who's seek me out. And so I
think about when I was taking care of my mom
and her brother, and I was like, this is what
God was preparing me for. You know, I couldn't figure out.
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You know, I had to go back and take care him,
and I did it without any kind of hesitating anything.
But I realized He was preparing me for this because
everybody that he sends to me, these days for the
last pibly three to five years has they have been
older and messed myself.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'm not techy at all. Who really want to do
something might really want to do something, and so I
don't mind. And I think for me, it's about being
patient and kind of holding people hands. And I've heard
people say I'm not I don't have time.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
To do all that woudry, you know. They tell me
I can't do all that what you do. I don't
have time to hold people hand and nurture them like that.
But it's just who I am. So I don't don't
have one mentor I do have. I'm in like some
some different groups and things like that that I pay for,
and I'm just there to listen and be inspied and
be motivated, especially like the one I'm in at eight
o'clock in the morning. I'm I'm in an accountability call
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at six o'clock tomorrow morning, every Tuesday at six.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Am, and we just get up and we just shoot
the breeze. So I one and am I'm thankful for
our relationship.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'm so grateful for you because you have helped me
to grow, you have helped our ministry to evolve. And
that's another reason too. You are a couple other people
I don't use, but so many vendors. You know, my
husband and I have a business and I have a
couple of ministries. I need someone who is technologically savvy.
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And I constantly pray about my relationship with the vendors
because I'm not that great a technology.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I don't have the time to do that. That's the
wonderful thing about the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
We all have gifts and talent and abilities that when
they're used to build His kingdom, God will bless it.
He will bless it, he will touch And so I'm
grateful for how you have helped me build this platform
for podcasting because you know, I wasn't trying to talk
to anybody, remember Ordrey, I was, and so you have
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been a huge part of the growth behind the scenes
and even in front of camera. And so I thank
you for your integrity. And that's what we need people
with hearts of integrity.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
So people as you.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Are listening and sharing, and like I said to her,
I shrink back from certain things technologically because I have
When you got this thing on the inside of you
call the Holy Spirit or knower, he will tell me
when the back off.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Remember, even I will cont listen.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
If you don't know enough yourself, have somebody like an
Audery and I have a couple other people, and you
know I've done this and ask you is this real?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Would you look at this and tell me if this
is real? And her.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Audrey's reach is so far nationally and internationally that there
was someone she knew personally that I thought may have
been a fake that reached out to me through email.
Do you remember what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And we need we need somebody that you can go to.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Whatever you're building, whatever you're creating, whatever you're doing, ask
God to show you who to bring in because you
can't do it all yourself.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Otherwise God didn't call you to do it. You need
somebody to help you do this thing. So, Audrey, I
also want to ask you this, and I know we're
out of time. Do you have one more time for
one more question? Yeah? Yeah, because I got to comment
to so yeah, I do have more time. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
How would you advise new business owners or ministry leaders
who are afraid of technology? How would you advise them
to approach it?
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I will say, first, first, find out what it is
you're trying to accomplish, right, So if you let me
tell you something, and doctor Chenna and I have had
this conversation for I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Not a big Bible reader, right, but God protects me,
he guides me. He would throw something in my way
to stop me from doing the wrong thing. He just
does that, and I'd be like, Okay, guy, oh, I
know I was supposed to do that. So if you
know that you have a strong relationship with God and
you don't know how to go, then you go to
God first.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
But I would say for.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Any business owner, any leader, figure out what it is
you really want to do, what do you want to
use the technology for?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Because there's so many ways to.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Go, and you can easily get lost, you can easily
get overwhelmed, you can easily go down a rabbit hole,
especially if you don't know what you want to do,
and so you want to figure out what do I
want to use this for. Am I trying to build
a way site?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
If I'm trying to build a website because I don't
have a budget, then I need to figure out which
website builder is the best, Right, I don't have a
budget to hire website buildings.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I want to do it myself, which.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
To ask somebody, you know, if you want to create
a mobile app, you know, okay, I want to create
a mobile app for my service. I wanted to have
streaming inside the inside of the app. I wanted to
have all these things.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
If you don't know how to do that, you can
go to a site like you to me d M
why and learn anything for twelve dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
If you know that you're not the person that's going
to learn the implement then that may not be the
thing for you. Once you figure out what that thing is.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
If you know you're not going to do it, go
to fiber. Somebody all will in Fiber will do something
for you. So first figure out what it is you
want to do. Make sure it's just something that you
can commit to, because a lot of people jump out
and they want to do stuff right, not understanding the
commitment that it's going to take to make it succeed.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So that's the first thing I would say. And Pa
terse leaders, I'm working with a past to right now
in Clayton County. We had a long meeting yesterday.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
He has a beautiful vision and he was a little
bit afraid too, And I said to him, listen, I
don't need you to be afraid. I need you to
tell me what the vision is and why you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
He has a great heart, doctor Tim, And I told
and I said to asked Barbara who introduced me, and said,
he has a wonderful heart.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
And he said, I'm trusting you. I said, well, trust
me because gonna make sure you go down the right path.
But I know his vision. He had a vision.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
It was written out playing. I was like, okay, we
can work with this vision. Let's take this vision. Let's
turn it into something. So I'm gonna deliver his stuff
to him by the end of the week so he
can go into his meeting next week with that. So
just have a vision, make the commitment, meant to see
it through, because that's important. And then if you are unsure,
you know, go to God and ask the question. I
(48:48):
personally he throw things right in my way. He said,
don't do that, and I won't do it, like you
don't have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Twice. I was like, okay, I'm not doing that. I
always look for the signs.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
One thing I wanted to say before we close is
that we're gonna have to start taking our personal relationship
just a step further right, just like your bank account,
you're going to have to start putting colds on your relationships.
And the reason I say that is because your.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Kids are talking online. You're talking online, they can clone
your voice easily. The tools are amazing.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Your own ring and it sounds like your kid and
they're crying and screaming saying they got me, they got me.
You need to say, what's our emergency password. If they
can't give you that password, then it's not them. And
I know that sounds crazy, but we have one in
my family because I need for the kids to know.
(49:44):
If you don't give me this password and you need
to put it in your phone and a note somewhere,
we're not doing anything. Because that's how smart criminals are.
And criminals have always been criminals and they always will be.
So you want to make sure that in order to
protect your family, that you create some kind of past
code that the family knows about. So if you get
a strange phone call and it sounds just like your mother,
(50:05):
your uncle, your your niece, your nephew, what's the past code?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
And you need to.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
You have to do that right now, because it's only
getting I'm talking about by the day, Like I'll go
to sleep this week, next week is something brand new
and better. So I just wanted to say that to
anybody's listening, and you got to. If you have a grandmother,
a grandfather or aunt you know, tell them, hey, hey, auntie,
you know I need you to remember.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
This past code. So if they say it's me calling you,
ask them what's the past code. My sister does it.
My sister does that with So I hope y'all heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Create a code for your family, children and adults, senior citizens.
Create a code so that if you do get an
emergency call standing there in trouble, ask them what's our
code and what's our password. Thank you, thank you, thank
you Apostle in It, and thank you Joyce so much
for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And so.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
We know that there's evil in the world, we know
that there's good because there's God. And so again I
just want to thank you Orgie. Thank you for taking
an extra time today as well, and for helping us
to talk about this big thing called technology. And I
wish you all the best in business and as you continue,
because I know I'm not the only leader that you
(51:27):
that you help. I wish you all the best and
all the good that you do and helping us to
grow our businesses and this things for God's glory. I
love you so very much, and you and I will
talk again in about two weeks.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Won't we? Yes, we will, Yes, we will listen.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
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you know, I'm not blacked out today. I'm here living
(52:06):
in person, and it's an honor and I and I
really appreciate it. We have a lot of work to
do and she is doing the work, and I'm so
happy to be able to support her and doing that work.
You know, I know I'm not a I don't I
don't read the Bible like I should, but I know
God has always had my back and he always will.
But those of you are struggling trying to find your way,
reach out to her.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
She is a woman of God. She's one that I
believe in, and she's one that I support and one
that I love.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
So you reach out to her. You go to her website.
She has great programs there your children. She has a
great program. Mary's Baby.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I love that name. By the way, Doctor Tim Mary's Baby.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
You know that's my business. I saying that's brandable, you know.
But anyway, thank you guys for being here with us.
We'll be back in two weeks, same place, same time,
and until next time, make it a great day by everybody.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Peace to keeping it real with Doctor into Chin.
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