May 1, 2025 • 48 mins
Dr. Linda P. Chinn is a native of New London, CT who currently resides in Douglasville, GA. She fulfills her mission of uprooting and pulling down false belief systems in the lives of God's people to build them up by planting in them the incorruptible seed of the living Word through her various ministries. Dr. Chinn is an accomplished entrepreneur and the creator of Linda Chinn Ministries as well as the founder of Christian Women in Training Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Keeping It Real with Doctor Linda Chen. This
is the podcast where real life choices need biblical truth
without the flock. Tune in every second and fourth Monday
at dpm in Eastern Standard Time as doctor Chen shares
faith filled, practical insights to navigate everyday challenges. Get ready
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for real talk, real life and real answers.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to another episode
of Keeping It Real with Doctor Linderton. I'm Audrey bel Kerne,
the producer of the show. Got a great show for
you today called The Unhealed Believer. You know that's a yeah,
that's gonna be interesting because here's the thing, my daughter
and now we talk about healing all the time and
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how people really need to heal, and a lot of
people don't even know they're unhealed. They think they're healed,
but they don't know that they're unhealed. They think they are.
So you're going for a treat today because they're going
to be talking about the believer that's unhealed. And you
can tell them because they're still talking about the same
O and over oh we and over and over, and
that's when I know, yeah, that person's not healing. Don't
get it twisted. I got some things that I'm unhealed about.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But I'm a believer.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So you're in for a great show today, Doctor Chen.
Guests is miss Eni new some Okia Okilla, and they're
gonna have a great conversation for you today. So I'm
gonna bring them up to the stage and then I'm
gonna step down and give it over to them.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Welcome, Welcome, welcome, good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, yes, thank you, Audrey. I just love Audrey. I
love her energy, her kindness. She's such a giver and
a wonderful, wonderful woman of God, and so thank you
so much for what you do. And you know, at
the end, we always got to bring Audrey back up
to see what she shares.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
About the topic. So thank you, my sister. I love
you all yours.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Greetings to my sister and my friend, the apostle Edith
newsome Okella.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
How are you, my friend?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I am so excited today. I am trying to contain myself,
but I am doing well and I am excited about
all that Holy Spirit Wilso released today.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Awesome, awesome, awesome me too, and I'm grateful that I'm
having a little technical interruption, but I'm grateful as people
can come back on and watch and listen.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But today we're talking.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
About the Unhealed Believer and it is a book written
by Apostle ed Okia knew some Okia, the Unhealed Believer.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
She is.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I love her. She is the founder and executive director
of Second Ministries. Her her ministry mission is to equip believers,
bringing us into a deeper growth, and discipleship is what
she does. She's a disciple maker. She she does what
God has called us to do. And I know her
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to be a very compassionate leader, full of wisdom, very deserting.
I know that this is one woman you'll never be
able to pull the wool over her eye, right, This
is what I know. And for years she's served in
Houston's Third Ward area, serving the unhoused and the underprivileged.
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And you know, she's a leader who's serious about offering
hope to people who feel invisible, the people who feel unseen.
And I know that that's gonna come across And she
talks to us today, and I've got to say this
one last thing before we bring her up, that she
is the personification of being the hands and feet of Jesus.
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Welcome to the podcast Apostle in It.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
My God, what an introduction, My God, thank you so
much for having me. I don't know all it takes
for the production of your plans form, but I am
grateful to be on it today. I do not take
it lightly. And all that you have said, glory be
to God.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And Devil. Here we are in Jesus' name.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We don't accept any interference in any interruptions.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
My God, I feel glory on here already I said,
I feel glory glory Jesus.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Amen, we call amen. So tell us a little bit
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well, I am originally from Natchez, Mississippi, that big metropolis.
I make my way to Houston. My father is from
the Houston area. Listen to the gist of who I am.
I have been married almost twenty five years in October.
We are the proud parents of a sixteen year old son.
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We started a little labor right on time, according to
God's schedule. I listen. I put all my focus. I
thought I was going to be teaching at the university level.
It did not pay that way, because when I truly
came to the Lord Jesus Christ, everything as Paul says,
was counted as dumb. I had finished my master's degree.
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I thought I was getting ready to pursue and start teaching.
And he says no. He says, whatever you're doing, halts,
you are employed by me. And this is how we
have come to this place how discycling. In Third Ward, Houston, Texas,
the Lord we would go down once a month to
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actually have a service for those who felt like they
weren't welcoming traditional bodies of Christ because they didn't smell
like people, they didn't look like them, they didn't have housing.
And so one day the Lord was talking to me
in prayer and he says, Edith, he says, my command
for you is to disciple them. I said, sir. He says,
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they need to be properly discipled because it is not
enough to catch the fish. But you do not want
to help in the cleaning process. Now we know that
Holy Spirit is the agent of change, but he says
it goes deeper than this. He says, the command is
to make disciples, not converts. Y'all not hearing me, He says,
it is to properly disciple the people. And he started me,
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I'm telling you to me. It was my backside of
the wilderness experience. I mean, prostitution, drug use, all types
of noises, distractions, people you know, in and out of
their mind coming through you know, all types of things.
But saying true to the word and being committed to
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what the Father instructed me to do. And it has
parlay to this place where we are right now.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Wow, And I could see you.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I can definitely see you as teaching at the collegiate level.
It's seminary or secular, I can definitely it's in you.
But God had a wider and broader area and territory
for you to cover. Holley Lujah, and thank Him for that.
And I and and and perhaps there's still some room
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for you to teach a level. You never know what
God is going to do, right, You never yes, But
you know, I want to talk about your book and
and so I don't know if anybody can see this.
It is called The Unhealed Believer. And then the subtitle
is land Minds of the Soul. That part, you know,
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just kind of threw me. And I started reading about
this Land Minds, and I'll be honest with you. When
I picked the book up, I read it in a day,
I could not put the book down because because it
is true to how we are as believers, but but
we don't really understand.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So what are these land minds of the soul that
you talk about?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Those land minds are any areas of your soul that
are unyielded to the Lord, to the Lord Jesus Christ,
any experiences, any trauma you've gone through. And if I
could just lay this first, because it really lays the
foundation for what the book is when we're talking about
those land minds. One of the questions came up in
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another conversation from someone who had read the book also
and was like, it's one of those subjects within the
church where it's up for debate, but it's really where
it really shouldn't be debatable whether the believer can be
oppressed by demons. And so I say this not to
veer us off, but those are the land minds. And
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so the Holy Spirit was so gracious as to give
me an analogy to simplify for the believer. And so
there's much discussion. People say, well, I didn't say possessed
possession is different as opposed to oppression, And he says,
use a simple real estate analogy. Anytime there has been
a change in ownership. Anytime there's been a change in ownership,
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that means that whoever possesses it has changed, which means
that when we yield ourselves and into the Lord Jesus Christ,
and may we come to the Father by way of
his blood, and we become blood bought believers, the possession
has changed, which means that here's the deal. Though, even
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though the possession has changed, if there were rats in
the house before you bought the house, the rats are
still there even though the oppression has changed, which means
that there has to be a cleansing out even after
possession has changed, so that we can be healed.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Y'all heard, y'all heard, y'all heard that just cause you
buy the house and they had rather if you don't
get rid of the rest, they're still there. Oh, that
was a wonderful, wonderful analogy. And notice she did not
say demon possessed. And there is a difference between oppression
holding you down foot on your neck and we don't
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know it, but the land minds. This is what I
want to reiterate what she said. The land minds were
the unyielded places for we just don't give up to
God those things that happen to us that we don't
give up. And sometimes apostle, do you believe that Sometimes
it's just not that we don't yield, we just deny
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that they even exist.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, it's almost like sweeping things that are very painful
under the rug. The problem with this, and this is
why it's so important not just for leadership, but for
lake person also to also be healed, because especially for
leaders when we don't address those painful areas. When I
come and and made a new creation in Christ, Jesus,
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I made a new creation. But the thing is is
that my soul. God says he takes care of the spirit,
he takes care of the body. But we are responsible
for our souls. And many times in Scripture it compares
our souls to a city, or even as a house,
and that house can, like Scripture says, it can be
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swept put in order. But if there is an emptiness there,
because when God delivers us from something, he delivers us
to something, which means there has to be stopped. My God,
there is a place in the book where he gave
me another analogy, the dental analogy about having what was
it a root canal. That's a root canal, And how
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you can't just stop it having the root canal. It
has to be a build up, something has to feel it.
It has to be a crown to seal it, which
is purpose. And he was saying, then you get the
full rest. Sometimes what we do is believers, we stop
at the cross and we never keep going to the
point where we get to sanctification. I can't go through
the process of sanctification without being healed. It cannot be separated,
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which means God demands that everything that is hiding in
our souls, every disappointment, every root of bitterness, come on,
sexual abuse, of physical abuse that we're spoken over you.
Those things are the land minds that he's commanding us
that we must give unto Him that he can heal us.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Give it to God, give it to God.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And some of these things that we keep, some of
these land minds and these unaddressed issues that we either
don't acknowledge or fail to give to God, and don't
we keep other people from receiving and hearing our testimony.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Scripture tells us.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
That we're overcome by the blood of the Lamb. At
a word of our testimony. Well, we know the blood
of the Lamb has already been taken care of. Jesus
took care of that part. And I see so many
things and many many families where generations are negatively impacted
because parents and or grandparents don't share the testimony of
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things that may have happened to them for whatever reason.
It could be pride, it could be shame. You know,
we don't need to talk about that. We don't air
the family dirty laundry. That is a trick of the enemy.
Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I absolutely agree. And my friend says it like this,
Apostle Brenda. She says, whatever God reveals, he intends to
heal once it is revealed, it is not to bring
embarrassment or shame, but it is to call the enemy
by its name. Say, I recognize that you are here,
and I am going to tear down that demonic altar
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that has been operating in our bloodline. And we keep
seeing the pattern of one generation after the next generation,
and it's God says it has to stop because there
are demonic altars, but there are also holy altars that
must be erected unto God. And every time we tell
the truth and call that enemy by its name, we
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take authority over it, and we begin to meet. We
begin to build altars unto the Lord, our God. And
so what you get is once the altars have been built,
then you start instead of getting generational curses and patterns
that run through the bloodline, you start getting generational obedience. Yeah,
where it's like wait a minute, no, no, no, no, no,
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we understand who we are and God, because he has
identified us, we recognize the enemy that lurked before, and
we will not tolerate it. And so now the next
generation is on God. They are aware and they like, no, sir,
you can come back lurking and looking again, but you
won't find any vacancies here.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
And so that is the importance of careful and wisely
sharing your testimony with your children, your children children in
the next generations. But you know, so, I'm gonna go
back to something I wanted to ask you. That's just
on page nine of the book. I'm loving this, which
means you're gonna have to come back. So on the
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first scripture that you mentioned is first Peter two, we
love and beloved. That's you and I you said warn
you as a temporary residence and fearners of the earth,
to keep away from worldly desires that wage war against
our very souls, that wage wars.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And so I wanted you to talk.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
About some of these worldly desires that we don't realize
that we have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
One thing, is this what the reason we actually got
to land Minds as a title is because Holy Spirit says,
the thing that's sold crafty about a land mine is
that it can lay dormant for so long that you
can almost forget that it's there. It's like the believer
that has come into Christ and the things that they experience.
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Just because we come into Christ does not mean that
those things that we experience are washed away. No, it
means that we are going to work out our souls salvation.
And so those things that would entice me, they may
be different for yourself or whoever is listening. And that's
because what entices me may not entice you. What my
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struggle was may not be a struggle at all for you.
And so what Don is making us aware of in
that passage of Scripture is that he's saying you have
to take careful inventory, and not just by your own standards,
but match that against what Holy Spirit is saying. If
we act Holy Spirit and we are ready and willing
to receive the answer, he says, I promise you if
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we go to Holy Spirit and say, Holy Spirit, I
need a complete inspection report of my soul. Come on
tail me where I am not going to pass inspection
if I came before the Lord Jesus Christ's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Power, that's power and we see a My God.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We see a prophetic picture of this uh in Revelation
where Jesus Revelation three of the third chapter where Jesus
is talking to the churches and he's telling you, I
am telling you right now what I see. This is
the This is the inspection report of the Lord. These
are the things that you think you have it together.
But wait a minute. There are some things that are
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hiding in your soul and it's not Sometimes that we
don't want to deal with it. Sometimes we don't even
know we're wounded. We don't know that there's residue from
the things that we've gone through. If you are in
ministry any type of way, you ought to be walking
through a level of deliverance. I'm telling you, almost daily,
if not weekly.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
On a regular basis, constantly.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yes, deliverance is the children's bread, which means there are
sometimes we have interactions with the body where they grubbed
us the wrong way, and if we don't address it,
God says, it won't allow your fruit to mature. And
he says, you will stop before you get to the
point of a godfa love, which is the hardest fruit
to obtain. And he says that brotherly, a sincere brotherly affection,
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he says, and he was ministering to me with this.
This is why when we read that scripture saying that
do not forsake the assembly, it wasn't just so you
could come and get strength. It was so that you
can learn my God how to interact with the body,
because interaction with the body it's hard. It's easy to
sit at home and look at a live stream and
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to what service was powerful today It's easy to look
at a disciple she was saying, boy, that was really powerful.
But the truth of the matter is when we come together,
come on, we start seeing things and things started to
become exposed and be like, well you know what I
really You know, some bybudges ain't right for somebody him.
But this is what God is after he says, I'm
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after those things that are here. He says, those things
where we would would. Scripture tells us to count the
costs and do all of that and take inventory, and
we are supposed to do that often. But it is
not my opinion that matters the most. It is what
the spirit of the Living God says concerning where I am.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Because okay, a tool, I'm yes, No, that's okay, So
talk to us about the process of demining, right of
demining of our souls.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Explain that process to us.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
For myself, it really comes to a place of surrender.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It is doing away with all pride, all self image.
There are sometimes it's so sneaky the way things are.
You could be doing things for so long that you
think it's a part of who you are, but in essence,
it's not even part of the manufacturer setting. It is
just something that has come on and you've taken on
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as part of who you are, but it had nothing
to do with your identity in Christ. And so really
what it starts with is this, It is coming to
a place of complete surrender. As I come to that surrender,
then I'm seeking Holy Spirit for what he says again
that inspection reports. As he begins to identify areas that
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are painful, even watch this, because I wouldn't sit here
and be a woman of God if I did not
say that some of those areas where he will expose,
where he will cause us to address the resistance. Can
I say this that you are getting there where you
say I don't want to touch this, this is too painful.
I'm telling you it's the enemy that is lurking there.
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Then it's speaking to you saying we don't want to
do this, this is too hard. No, it wants to
tell you this, and you to believe that lion coming
to agreement with it, because it wants to continue to
reac havoc in your life. And so as we belie
leave Holy Spirits Infection report. He is such a gentle
one that slowly, by slowly, by slowly, each and every
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methodical step, he begins to walk us through those landmines,
and as we give him authority in that area, he
begins to go in. Call that thing what it is.
We separate by verbal confession any agreement we came into
with the enemy concerning whatever it is. Let's say, for instance,
it was somebody said you're never going to be anything.
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Maybe it was somebody, a parent or some body you
looked up, teacher or whatever. Somebody said you will never
be anything, and you came into agreement with that, and
that thing has been lingering, lingering, lingering, And the truth
of the matter is is that the way it presents
itself is that you're constantly trying to prove that you're
you're worth yes, trying to prove and constantly looking for
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affirmation for people. And the problem is we touched on
this early and I didn't finish my thought in the
Holy Spirit told me to circle back to it was
that the problem when leadership is not healed is that
we bleed upon people. Even personally, as a lay person,
you can bleed upon your family, and what that means
is that they pay for things that they did not
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do they be. The reason that it's so detrimental in
the Body of Christ with leadership is that when we
bleed upon people, we begin to move away from the
elementary principles of the Gospel and we begin to preach
our struggle, yes, and the leading on the chiefs on
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the chief Because I'm telling you right now, if you
have a leader that is not healed, and they say
they are struggling with perversion. If they are struggling with perversion,
I guarantee you who is sitting under them, those men
and women will begin to experience and struggle with what
that person has not addressed. That older is still erected,
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and there will be casualty, says the Lord.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Amen, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And so, in essence, it's not just the anointing that
flows from the head.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's not just the anointing. I know you hear what.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm saying, right, It's not just the anointing that flows
from the head and down the beard. It flows down
into the body, is what she's saying today. And so
thus we also must be careful of who we sit under.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And I heard somebody say this was years ago. I
heard one.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Pastor say to a woman who belonged to a megachurch,
and he said to her, what's it like being a
member of that church where you can't even talk to
your pastor? It's so big you can't even get to
your pastor. And her response was, I don't want to
sit down and eat chicken with him. I may not
like him, right, but and this is the thing, whether
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we like somebody, whether you belong to a megachurch or
or a smaller church, you know by the spirit.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You don't have to sit down and eat with somebody
to know.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
And also to that point, I purposely don't sit down
and eat with everybody because my spirit is wide open
when I am enjoying the fellowship of a meal.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You understand what I'm saying. That's coin, Anda, that coin.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Andia some other couple of questions though, because this is powerful,
This is powerful, This is powerful.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yes, I'm praying that somebody is getting.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Freed, even right now from whatever oppression you are under.
I'm praying that you're enlightened. So I want to ask
you another thing, how are some of these land minds
of our souls triggered?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Liken some of these land minds to real land minds
like you did in your book.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh my goodness. Can I use myself as an example
of course? Okay, because I like to be transparent. Sometimes
we look at people and they're like, they're so powerful,
they're so anointed. But the truth is is that we
are still working out our soul salvation, which means we
don't put people on a pedal stool. We blessed God
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for the anointing for the gifts. But we are charged,
listen with also taking the medicine that we're trying to dispense,
Holly Lujas. And so, for instance, I'm on the freeway.
I think I was telling the people. I don't know,
it was like last week or something. I'm on the
freeway and I get cut off one or two times.
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No problem. You know, I always say you can tell
the condition of someone soul the way that they drive.
Maybe I'm freezing, but that's me, yes, And so I
am very much controlled fruit of the spirit. Self controlled.
Happens a third time and I'm like, Okay, something happened
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so preposterous and outrageous on the road where I was
cut off. Mind you, this is the same day. The
fourth time it happened. It got a reaction out of me,
and I said, man, what was that? Now, let me
calm down. I don't I am who I say I am.
It was yeah, it was just simply like, I can't
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believe they did that. What was that? That made no sense?
And Holy Spirit is always like a hit dog house,
so it's something there. Even though it was lurking after
layer after layer, it took the right amount of pressure
to detonate it understand what I'm telling you, And so
it was the right amount of pressure and it got
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a reaction from me. Now here's what the Holy Spirit says.
We are responsible for our actions and also our reactions.
And so he says, I'm not trying to litigate what
the person did. I'm after what's in you? He says,
because you reacted. I'm trying to show you that there
is something that yet lurks there that we have to address.
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And so I hope that kind of gives us an
understanding of.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What we're Yes, yes, years ago, I attended a conference
and one of the speakers was I can't even remember
what they were talking about, but they had this prayer
room that you could go to, you know, in between
the sessions, and I remember one session I ran to
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that prayer room. I was weeping and sobbing so uncontrollably
that I could barely articulate why I went in there
for prayer. And I remember saying to the intercessors, I
need a new heart. I need I need a new heart.
That's all I could get out and apostle. They started
praying about Lord Jesus. We don't want anybody to die,
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but should a heart become available, let her get the heart.
We pray for the doctors and the anointing their hands.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
And I'm saying, that's not it. I'm like, that's not it.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
No, I'm not talking Yeah, so I get that whole landmind.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It was something that was said.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
And this was an entrepreneurial and economical conference, so you
never know where the Lord's going to meet you, right,
And so that was a trigger for me. So I
hope you are hearing what she's saying today. You know
some of the triggers, some of you don't know until,
like she explained that fourth time, it was the same
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type of incident that occurred that finally got a reaction
out of her.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And so we're talking to those of us.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Who were married, single, rich, poor, black, white, skinny, it
doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Pay attention to these triggers
and offer that thing up to Holy Spirit so that
he can deal with us, because we need to be healed.
And Audrey said something at the beginning, and I felt
like she said, we keep talking about the same thing.
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For some reason, we had coach Erica.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Anderson on heal anyway, as her ministry.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
We've had so many people on talking about healing, and
this is not by design.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I pray.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I'm not trying to do a series of something. God
is saying the body of Christ needs to be healed.
We need healing, and so hear the people are. I
pray you share this podcast apostle.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In chapter four of.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Your book, you talked about this earlier, talk about the
sin that lurks, and you point out the importance of
naming the thing now and I thought about that, and
that's been a practice of mine. And not only is
it important that we name the sin, but you said
something in your book that I heard old Professor say
one day, and you talked about the difference between living
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under the blessing of the Lord versus living in his mercy.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So and nothing knows two.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Even in prayer, I don't ask the Lord to bless
me any kind of way. I'm specific. So we're talking
about sin lurking in and out, the naming the sin,
and even in asking the Lord for blessings, please talk
about the difference between living under the blessing of the
Lord versus living under his mercy.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, my Lord, the scripture says it very clearly that
obedience commands the blessing. And when we are not in obedience,
that means when we have not come under the shed blood,
when we have not made Jesus lord. We have a
lot of people that believe, but they have not made
Jesus Lord. There is a difference. And Scripture says even
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the demons belief a belief. This is why even in
discipleships it's moving from a belief to discipleship. There is
a difference. As a disciple. That means that you're standing
under something. I am standing under the Word of God.
It is my covenant, is my umbrella. It encloses me.
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And so one of the major things in the issues
even within those who say that they've made a confession
or profession in Jesus but there has been no transformation,
there's been no submitting to His lordship, is that they
are very quick to say I'm blessed, I'm blessed. Oh God,
I'm blessed. But but the Holy Spirit really pressed me
on this one, and he says, you have to make
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it very clear, say it but say it in love,
but be very clear that you are not under the
blessings of God. You're actually under his mer mercy. Yes, mercy.
It's script to says, It's tender mercies are over all
of his creation. And so what it is is that
God is being merciful uh to those who say that
they believe but have not yet been transformed, so that
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they would come into obedience, so that they would be
changed in their nature and their character in the soulish
realm uh. And so we have to be very mindful.
Sometimes will see people say, you know, I thank God. Well,
wait a minute, you gotta be careful there too, because
they may not even have the same God that you have.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And so remember the scripture says that Satan is the
God of this world. And then there are many gods.
People make themselves God. So if somebody gets up there,
they talk as them. I just want to thank God
for his blessings. It's like, wait a minute, uh. And
he went further, saying that even in obedience to Satan's wickedness,
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because he copies everything that God does, he bless us also,
which means that if you seek him, that if you
do his demonic will. He is going to bless you.
He's going to give you even more power, more wickedness.
But at the end of the day, the thing that
you think that you're after, he says, you're not going
to get it. I was reading the book even again
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a couple of days ago before we came on, and
I was like, my God, I'm looking at it and
to myself when I'm reading it as an author, it
to me it's like I'm reading in my voice, obviously,
and to me it is a letter to the body
of Christ. That is how I wanted the book to
flow as holy spirits to me. I wanted it to
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be the same way as it would flow like from
his mouth. Unto the believer that wait a minute, there
are some things, beloved, that we have to address. And why,
he says, because departure is imminent and we must be ready.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
We must be ready, we must, we must. The time
to be ready is not the time to be getting ready.
And there are several people, family and friends who know
that they know that they know that Linda will leave you.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
When I need to be somewhere, Linda will leave you.
That's real talk.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
When I need to be someplace and I've you supposed
to be coming with me. I can't let my blessings
be blocked. I have got to get what God has
for me. I cannot allow anybody, even my own flesh,
to get in the way. And so being ready and
getting ready are two different things. We must be ready
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and time is sure and look at this time. It sure,
it's already two thirty five. I mean, this is God
is somebody and so many many comments. In fact, since
we've been doing this podcast, Audrey can probably testify that
this is the most comments and in an action that
we've ever had, which tells you that healing is a
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necessary and people are hungry for it, and some of
us just don't know how to go after it. Some
people are afraid of doctors. Some people have white coats syndrome.
If you understand, Hallelujah, who understands what I'm saying. And
so I want to just before Audrey comes back on,
because I'm sure she's gotten a ton of insight and
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she's looking at some of these comments. Now we talked
about we had a podcast and a class on the
Contemplative Lifestyle of a Believer by doctor Freddie James, and
I would like you to talk about what it really
looks like to seek God. To seek God, he is
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the priority. He must be the priority of your life.
Seek He first, the Kingdom and his righteousness, he says,
and everything else is going to be added to truly seek.
And I'm so glad you asked that question, because sometimes
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we use certain verbiage in the church, but people don't
really understand what it means. And to seek Him means
that there is a pursuit, a dog get pursuit of
his presence, not what's in his hand, not what he
can do for might, but just because he is the Lord,
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God Almighty, because it is the very breath that I breathe,
it belongs to him.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The power that I move and have my being with
it belongs to him. And I understand that at any
moment he can actually take it back. And so it
is the understanding that everything that I have need of
it is found in Him. And to seek Him means
that I set the time. It is a set time
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where the Lord is expecting me. I hope that makes sense,
which means that, y'all, if my point of dedication is
three o'clock in the morning, if it's seven a m
if it's new whatever. My point of dedication is the
Lord is expecting me every day, and when I don't come,
he's looking for me. It's almost like an atom. Where
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are you?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And so the Lord is looking for that. Am I
saying that's the only time you pray? No? There will
be times when Holy Spirit says, get up, go here,
let's pray.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Let's get this.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
But there should be a set time where the Lord
and you commune. Where you come, I like before my
day starts to say, listen, tell me what you desire
to happen in this day. And so for the Lord,
that means that I make him my first priority, before
what I have to do, before my children, my child,
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before my husband. He is my priority. And so then
everything else that must come it is actually made better.
They get a better meat because I spent that time
in seeking God and communing with Him. And let me
say this to the beloved of Christ, that seeking Him
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is not always talking. Sometimes it's just coming before His
holy presence. And sometimes you can't even get a word,
my God. But when you bow before His presence, when
you humble thyself, that it's just my head has dropped
and I feel the weight of his glory, the bat
of His glory has come down. I can't get nothing out.
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And the thing is God already this is this is
part of prayer I love so much and I'm getting excited.
Here is that even before I can utter it out,
My Lord and my God, it just it arrests me
what I'm saying. Here is the deal. If it don't
move you, it didn't move God.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Amen, Now.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It did not move God because your Noah, the Holy Spirit,
should be testifying to you as you are praying that,
My God, you have touched Heaven with what you have said.
Not because i want to be eloquent. I'm pouring out
my heart to him. I A'm pouring out my spirit.
I'm pouring out my soul. I am an intimate connection
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and relationship to him. This is seeking the Lord.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Couldn't have said it any better or you get ready
to come back on if you will, And I'm gonna
say this too.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
As she talked about.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Seeking the Lord, please understand that if you're struggling with something,
if you're angry about something, you're wrestling with something, you
can pour that out to the Lord. You cannot hide
from him. You may as well open your mouth and
say what it is that you're dealing with, what it
is that you're wrestling, because he already knows.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Sometimes he just wants to hear you say it. Come on, Audrey,
doctor Chang.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The chat is on fire.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Year like I people needed it. It is.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm over here and saying I happen to look up
and like, oh my lord, this thirty nine messages over here. Hallelujah, Yes,
teach it what listen? The chat is on fire, y'all.
Such a good word, such a good word.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
And I and I have to some notes, you know,
I always take notes.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I gotta tell you though. You said that you said that.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Last part, and I was like, that's a good one
right there.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
If it if it didn't move you, it didn't move god, I.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Was like, oh wait a minute, now, talk about that
or second.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
So that was one and then the other one.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I wanted you to explain when you said we we
are charged with taking the medicine we are trying to dispense.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
What does that mean? I was like, what does that mean?
Please explain that.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Let me touch the first one, since that was the
latest the one where it was. Take it, well, let
me let me do this. Taking medicine means this. Sometimes
we get so caught up in our secondary uh commission
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that we don't take care of our primary commission. The
primary commission is to know Him and the power of
his resurrection. But when we get caught up into our
secondary we started thinking, Oh, I'm an apostle, I'm a pastor,
I'm a teacher. I'm not at that. But if I
do not take care of my primary calling, I cannot
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be successful in my secondary. This is where the Jesus says,
those believers will come before him, Lord Lord, But didn't
we cash out all these demons? Didn't we prophesy in
your name? Didn't we work miracles? He said, you did
all of that, But I never knew. This is taking
the medicine that you are trying to dispense to others,
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Which means here is that I always say this and
this is the truth, and I told the Lord I
won't do it any other way. I must be the
first partaker of anything that I'm going to give, which
is that if the Lord has giving me a message
to give to the people, deal with you first. Ye,
where are my concerning Yes, I can give you a message,
I can't encourage you in an area where I have
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not gone into those realms myself. If I have not
said that, wait a minute, I am a partaker of
the Bread of deliverance daily. How can I tell you
to get hell get delivered? And I won't do it myself.
But this is the very thing where we have so
many people in the pulpits I'm telling you, where they
are trying to talk about something that are even worship
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leaders and so on and so forth, where they're trying
to take you into an area that they know nothing about. Yeah,
and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Give me the other one, uh man, I'm the last
one is if it didn't move you, it didn't move God.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
This is the thing Holy Spirit would have us concerning that.
You can be in a posture of prayer and not
be praying. You can be in a posture of worship
with your hands out and not be worshiping. There are
things that we go through sometimes where you go through
the motion. God says, I don't. It's almost like being healed.
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He says, I'm not looking for behavior modification. What I'm
looking for is a cleansing and a washing. I'm looking
for something that is eternal, and so behavior modification will
only last for so long until you get the right
amount of pressure, and then it det makes that landmine.
This is the problem with the enemy. He is so patient,
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he is so organized that he will wait until you
start climbing upset ladder and wait until you have the
biggest platform that you can go to, and he will detonate,
I'm telling you, and then it will cause all of
the people to be bled upon. And I'm telling you,
it causes casualties. So when I'm saying, if it does
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not move you, it does not move God, I say that,
and I say it in love.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
But when we go.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And we are praying empty prayers to God, when we're
praying the same thing, there is no way you should
be going before the Father praying the.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Same thing every day.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Every day to him is different. It's different every day.
Come on. There are some expressions of prayer that are myhavired,
and there's nothing wrong with that. But God says, sometimes
I need you the war in prayer, hallelujah. Sometimes I
just need you, you know, just just such a blocking
you know, sometimes I just need you to up lift
the Lord Jesus Christ before me. I just need you
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to get in a pocket of total my God. Sometimes
I can't even stand up and pray. I have to
lay prostrate before him because that is the weight of
his glory that has come down. He's not looking for
my same old tide prayers.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
He says.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Let's have a conversation. He says, you may not even
be able to talk. This is when Holy Spirit comes
in and hijects the place. Let me stand down, because
I'm telling you I feel the fire of God in
this place. I'm in the sanctuary, and when I tell
you it's it's waves of heat coming in and out,
waves of heat in and out for his glory.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And Ursula said, that's why we can't rush. I used
to get impatient with my husband when we prayed together
because we'd be on our knees and he would be
silent for so long that I will open my eyes
and look at him. But what he does, he listens
before he opens his mouth. He listens, and I've learned
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from him and doing that. He listens before he opened
his mouth, and be ready to go with this. It
is my spiritual mother taught me another reason why not
to rush us, because you never know what door of
prayer as you just stay to the apostle God wants
us to enter. And sometimes it's simply thanksgiving. Sometimes it's
simply just thank you. There are times when when I'm praying,
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all I can say is thank you and nothing else
comes out. Yes, yeah, So we know we need to
wrap this up. We know we've got to have apostle
in it back on, and I want to thank y'all
so much and pray, pray that this ministry because our
mission and Linda Chen ministries, is that the people are
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blessed in night, enlightened, renewed, and transformed for fruitful living.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yes right, Audrey, take us out, my sister. Listen.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
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I see so many hands, claps and fight in this
chat room. This was a message that was so so
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Speaker 4 (46:08):
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Speaker 3 (46:11):
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Speaker 4 (46:24):
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Speaker 3 (46:54):
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Speaker 3 (47:08):
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Speaker 4 (48:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to another episode
of Keeping It Real with Doctor Linderton. I'm Audrey bel Kerne,
the producer of the show. Got a great show for
you today called The Unhealed Believer. You know that's a yeah,
that's gonna be interesting because here's the thing, my daughter
and now we talk about healing all the time and
(00:46):
how people really need to heal, and a lot of
people don't even know they're unhealed. They think they're healed,
but they don't know that they're unhealed. They think they are.
So you're going for a treat today because they're going
to be talking about the believer that's unhealed. And you
can tell them because they're still talking about the same
O and over oh we and over and over, and
that's when I know, yeah, that person's not healing. Don't
get it twisted. I got some things that I'm unhealed about.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But I'm a believer.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So you're in for a great show today, Doctor Chen.
Guests is miss Eni new some Okia Okilla, and they're
gonna have a great conversation for you today. So I'm
gonna bring them up to the stage and then I'm
gonna step down and give it over to them.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Welcome, Welcome, welcome, good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, yes, thank you, Audrey. I just love Audrey. I
love her energy, her kindness. She's such a giver and
a wonderful, wonderful woman of God, and so thank you
so much for what you do. And you know, at
the end, we always got to bring Audrey back up
to see what she shares.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
About the topic. So thank you, my sister. I love
you all yours.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Greetings to my sister and my friend, the apostle Edith
newsome Okella.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
How are you, my friend?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I am so excited today. I am trying to contain myself,
but I am doing well and I am excited about
all that Holy Spirit Wilso released today.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Awesome, awesome, awesome me too, and I'm grateful that I'm
having a little technical interruption, but I'm grateful as people
can come back on and watch and listen.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But today we're talking.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
About the Unhealed Believer and it is a book written
by Apostle ed Okia knew some Okia, the Unhealed Believer.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
She is.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I love her. She is the founder and executive director
of Second Ministries. Her her ministry mission is to equip believers,
bringing us into a deeper growth, and discipleship is what
she does. She's a disciple maker. She she does what
God has called us to do. And I know her
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to be a very compassionate leader, full of wisdom, very deserting.
I know that this is one woman you'll never be
able to pull the wool over her eye, right, This
is what I know. And for years she's served in
Houston's Third Ward area, serving the unhoused and the underprivileged.
(03:24):
And you know, she's a leader who's serious about offering
hope to people who feel invisible, the people who feel unseen.
And I know that that's gonna come across And she
talks to us today, and I've got to say this
one last thing before we bring her up, that she
is the personification of being the hands and feet of Jesus.
(03:45):
Welcome to the podcast Apostle in It.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
My God, what an introduction, My God, thank you so
much for having me. I don't know all it takes
for the production of your plans form, but I am
grateful to be on it today. I do not take
it lightly. And all that you have said, glory be
to God.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And Devil. Here we are in Jesus' name.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We don't accept any interference in any interruptions.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
My God, I feel glory on here already I said,
I feel glory glory Jesus.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Amen, we call amen. So tell us a little bit
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well, I am originally from Natchez, Mississippi, that big metropolis.
I make my way to Houston. My father is from
the Houston area. Listen to the gist of who I am.
I have been married almost twenty five years in October.
We are the proud parents of a sixteen year old son.
(05:04):
We started a little labor right on time, according to
God's schedule. I listen. I put all my focus. I
thought I was going to be teaching at the university level.
It did not pay that way, because when I truly
came to the Lord Jesus Christ, everything as Paul says,
was counted as dumb. I had finished my master's degree.
(05:25):
I thought I was getting ready to pursue and start teaching.
And he says no. He says, whatever you're doing, halts,
you are employed by me. And this is how we
have come to this place how discycling. In Third Ward, Houston, Texas,
the Lord we would go down once a month to
(05:46):
actually have a service for those who felt like they
weren't welcoming traditional bodies of Christ because they didn't smell
like people, they didn't look like them, they didn't have housing.
And so one day the Lord was talking to me
in prayer and he says, Edith, he says, my command
for you is to disciple them. I said, sir. He says,
(06:09):
they need to be properly discipled because it is not
enough to catch the fish. But you do not want
to help in the cleaning process. Now we know that
Holy Spirit is the agent of change, but he says
it goes deeper than this. He says, the command is
to make disciples, not converts. Y'all not hearing me, He says,
it is to properly disciple the people. And he started me,
(06:33):
I'm telling you to me. It was my backside of
the wilderness experience. I mean, prostitution, drug use, all types
of noises, distractions, people you know, in and out of
their mind coming through you know, all types of things.
But saying true to the word and being committed to
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what the Father instructed me to do. And it has
parlay to this place where we are right now.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Wow, And I could see you.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I can definitely see you as teaching at the collegiate level.
It's seminary or secular, I can definitely it's in you.
But God had a wider and broader area and territory
for you to cover. Holley Lujah, and thank Him for that.
And I and and and perhaps there's still some room
(07:25):
for you to teach a level. You never know what
God is going to do, right, You never yes, But
you know, I want to talk about your book and
and so I don't know if anybody can see this.
It is called The Unhealed Believer. And then the subtitle
is land Minds of the Soul. That part, you know,
(07:48):
just kind of threw me. And I started reading about
this Land Minds, and I'll be honest with you. When
I picked the book up, I read it in a day,
I could not put the book down because because it
is true to how we are as believers, but but
we don't really understand.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So what are these land minds of the soul that
you talk about?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Those land minds are any areas of your soul that
are unyielded to the Lord, to the Lord Jesus Christ,
any experiences, any trauma you've gone through. And if I
could just lay this first, because it really lays the
foundation for what the book is when we're talking about
those land minds. One of the questions came up in
(08:32):
another conversation from someone who had read the book also
and was like, it's one of those subjects within the
church where it's up for debate, but it's really where
it really shouldn't be debatable whether the believer can be
oppressed by demons. And so I say this not to
veer us off, but those are the land minds. And
(08:55):
so the Holy Spirit was so gracious as to give
me an analogy to simplify for the believer. And so
there's much discussion. People say, well, I didn't say possessed
possession is different as opposed to oppression, And he says,
use a simple real estate analogy. Anytime there has been
a change in ownership. Anytime there's been a change in ownership,
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that means that whoever possesses it has changed, which means
that when we yield ourselves and into the Lord Jesus Christ,
and may we come to the Father by way of
his blood, and we become blood bought believers, the possession
has changed, which means that here's the deal. Though, even
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though the possession has changed, if there were rats in
the house before you bought the house, the rats are
still there even though the oppression has changed, which means
that there has to be a cleansing out even after
possession has changed, so that we can be healed.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Y'all heard, y'all heard, y'all heard that just cause you
buy the house and they had rather if you don't
get rid of the rest, they're still there. Oh, that
was a wonderful, wonderful analogy. And notice she did not
say demon possessed. And there is a difference between oppression
holding you down foot on your neck and we don't
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know it, but the land minds. This is what I
want to reiterate what she said. The land minds were
the unyielded places for we just don't give up to
God those things that happen to us that we don't
give up. And sometimes apostle, do you believe that Sometimes
it's just not that we don't yield, we just deny
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that they even exist.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, it's almost like sweeping things that are very painful
under the rug. The problem with this, and this is
why it's so important not just for leadership, but for
lake person also to also be healed, because especially for
leaders when we don't address those painful areas. When I
come and and made a new creation in Christ, Jesus,
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I made a new creation. But the thing is is
that my soul. God says he takes care of the spirit,
he takes care of the body. But we are responsible
for our souls. And many times in Scripture it compares
our souls to a city, or even as a house,
and that house can, like Scripture says, it can be
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swept put in order. But if there is an emptiness there,
because when God delivers us from something, he delivers us
to something, which means there has to be stopped. My God,
there is a place in the book where he gave
me another analogy, the dental analogy about having what was
it a root canal. That's a root canal, And how
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you can't just stop it having the root canal. It
has to be a build up, something has to feel it.
It has to be a crown to seal it, which
is purpose. And he was saying, then you get the
full rest. Sometimes what we do is believers, we stop
at the cross and we never keep going to the
point where we get to sanctification. I can't go through
the process of sanctification without being healed. It cannot be separated,
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which means God demands that everything that is hiding in
our souls, every disappointment, every root of bitterness, come on,
sexual abuse, of physical abuse that we're spoken over you.
Those things are the land minds that he's commanding us
that we must give unto Him that he can heal us.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Give it to God, give it to God.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And some of these things that we keep, some of
these land minds and these unaddressed issues that we either
don't acknowledge or fail to give to God, and don't
we keep other people from receiving and hearing our testimony.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Scripture tells us.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
That we're overcome by the blood of the Lamb. At
a word of our testimony. Well, we know the blood
of the Lamb has already been taken care of. Jesus
took care of that part. And I see so many
things and many many families where generations are negatively impacted
because parents and or grandparents don't share the testimony of
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things that may have happened to them for whatever reason.
It could be pride, it could be shame. You know,
we don't need to talk about that. We don't air
the family dirty laundry. That is a trick of the enemy.
Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I absolutely agree. And my friend says it like this,
Apostle Brenda. She says, whatever God reveals, he intends to
heal once it is revealed, it is not to bring
embarrassment or shame, but it is to call the enemy
by its name. Say, I recognize that you are here,
and I am going to tear down that demonic altar
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that has been operating in our bloodline. And we keep
seeing the pattern of one generation after the next generation,
and it's God says it has to stop because there
are demonic altars, but there are also holy altars that
must be erected unto God. And every time we tell
the truth and call that enemy by its name, we
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take authority over it, and we begin to meet. We
begin to build altars unto the Lord, our God. And
so what you get is once the altars have been built,
then you start instead of getting generational curses and patterns
that run through the bloodline, you start getting generational obedience. Yeah,
where it's like wait a minute, no, no, no, no, no,
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we understand who we are and God, because he has
identified us, we recognize the enemy that lurked before, and
we will not tolerate it. And so now the next
generation is on God. They are aware and they like, no, sir,
you can come back lurking and looking again, but you
won't find any vacancies here.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
And so that is the importance of careful and wisely
sharing your testimony with your children, your children children in
the next generations. But you know, so, I'm gonna go
back to something I wanted to ask you. That's just
on page nine of the book. I'm loving this, which
means you're gonna have to come back. So on the
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first scripture that you mentioned is first Peter two, we
love and beloved. That's you and I you said warn
you as a temporary residence and fearners of the earth,
to keep away from worldly desires that wage war against
our very souls, that wage wars.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And so I wanted you to talk.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
About some of these worldly desires that we don't realize
that we have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
One thing, is this what the reason we actually got
to land Minds as a title is because Holy Spirit says,
the thing that's sold crafty about a land mine is
that it can lay dormant for so long that you
can almost forget that it's there. It's like the believer
that has come into Christ and the things that they experience.
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Just because we come into Christ does not mean that
those things that we experience are washed away. No, it
means that we are going to work out our souls salvation.
And so those things that would entice me, they may
be different for yourself or whoever is listening. And that's
because what entices me may not entice you. What my
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struggle was may not be a struggle at all for you.
And so what Don is making us aware of in
that passage of Scripture is that he's saying you have
to take careful inventory, and not just by your own standards,
but match that against what Holy Spirit is saying. If
we act Holy Spirit and we are ready and willing
to receive the answer, he says, I promise you if
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we go to Holy Spirit and say, Holy Spirit, I
need a complete inspection report of my soul. Come on
tail me where I am not going to pass inspection
if I came before the Lord Jesus Christ's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Power, that's power and we see a My God.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We see a prophetic picture of this uh in Revelation
where Jesus Revelation three of the third chapter where Jesus
is talking to the churches and he's telling you, I
am telling you right now what I see. This is
the This is the inspection report of the Lord. These
are the things that you think you have it together.
But wait a minute. There are some things that are
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hiding in your soul and it's not Sometimes that we
don't want to deal with it. Sometimes we don't even
know we're wounded. We don't know that there's residue from
the things that we've gone through. If you are in
ministry any type of way, you ought to be walking
through a level of deliverance. I'm telling you, almost daily,
if not weekly.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
On a regular basis, constantly.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yes, deliverance is the children's bread, which means there are
sometimes we have interactions with the body where they grubbed
us the wrong way, and if we don't address it,
God says, it won't allow your fruit to mature. And
he says, you will stop before you get to the
point of a godfa love, which is the hardest fruit
to obtain. And he says that brotherly, a sincere brotherly affection,
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he says, and he was ministering to me with this.
This is why when we read that scripture saying that
do not forsake the assembly, it wasn't just so you
could come and get strength. It was so that you
can learn my God how to interact with the body,
because interaction with the body it's hard. It's easy to
sit at home and look at a live stream and
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to what service was powerful today It's easy to look
at a disciple she was saying, boy, that was really powerful.
But the truth of the matter is when we come together,
come on, we start seeing things and things started to
become exposed and be like, well you know what I
really You know, some bybudges ain't right for somebody him.
But this is what God is after he says, I'm
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after those things that are here. He says, those things
where we would would. Scripture tells us to count the
costs and do all of that and take inventory, and
we are supposed to do that often. But it is
not my opinion that matters the most. It is what
the spirit of the Living God says concerning where I am.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Because okay, a tool, I'm yes, No, that's okay, So
talk to us about the process of demining, right of
demining of our souls.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Explain that process to us.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
For myself, it really comes to a place of surrender.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It is doing away with all pride, all self image.
There are sometimes it's so sneaky the way things are.
You could be doing things for so long that you
think it's a part of who you are, but in essence,
it's not even part of the manufacturer setting. It is
just something that has come on and you've taken on
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as part of who you are, but it had nothing
to do with your identity in Christ. And so really
what it starts with is this, It is coming to
a place of complete surrender. As I come to that surrender,
then I'm seeking Holy Spirit for what he says again
that inspection reports. As he begins to identify areas that
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are painful, even watch this, because I wouldn't sit here
and be a woman of God if I did not
say that some of those areas where he will expose,
where he will cause us to address the resistance. Can
I say this that you are getting there where you
say I don't want to touch this, this is too painful.
I'm telling you it's the enemy that is lurking there.
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Then it's speaking to you saying we don't want to
do this, this is too hard. No, it wants to
tell you this, and you to believe that lion coming
to agreement with it, because it wants to continue to
reac havoc in your life. And so as we belie
leave Holy Spirits Infection report. He is such a gentle
one that slowly, by slowly, by slowly, each and every
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methodical step, he begins to walk us through those landmines,
and as we give him authority in that area, he
begins to go in. Call that thing what it is.
We separate by verbal confession any agreement we came into
with the enemy concerning whatever it is. Let's say, for instance,
it was somebody said you're never going to be anything.
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Maybe it was somebody, a parent or some body you
looked up, teacher or whatever. Somebody said you will never
be anything, and you came into agreement with that, and
that thing has been lingering, lingering, lingering, And the truth
of the matter is is that the way it presents
itself is that you're constantly trying to prove that you're
you're worth yes, trying to prove and constantly looking for
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affirmation for people. And the problem is we touched on
this early and I didn't finish my thought in the
Holy Spirit told me to circle back to it was
that the problem when leadership is not healed is that
we bleed upon people. Even personally, as a lay person,
you can bleed upon your family, and what that means
is that they pay for things that they did not
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do they be. The reason that it's so detrimental in
the Body of Christ with leadership is that when we
bleed upon people, we begin to move away from the
elementary principles of the Gospel and we begin to preach
our struggle, yes, and the leading on the chiefs on
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the chief Because I'm telling you right now, if you
have a leader that is not healed, and they say
they are struggling with perversion. If they are struggling with perversion,
I guarantee you who is sitting under them, those men
and women will begin to experience and struggle with what
that person has not addressed. That older is still erected,
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and there will be casualty, says the Lord.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Amen, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And so, in essence, it's not just the anointing that
flows from the head.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's not just the anointing. I know you hear what.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm saying, right, It's not just the anointing that flows
from the head and down the beard. It flows down
into the body, is what she's saying today. And so
thus we also must be careful of who we sit under.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And I heard somebody say this was years ago. I
heard one.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Pastor say to a woman who belonged to a megachurch,
and he said to her, what's it like being a
member of that church where you can't even talk to
your pastor? It's so big you can't even get to
your pastor. And her response was, I don't want to
sit down and eat chicken with him. I may not
like him, right, but and this is the thing, whether
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we like somebody, whether you belong to a megachurch or
or a smaller church, you know by the spirit.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You don't have to sit down and eat with somebody
to know.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
And also to that point, I purposely don't sit down
and eat with everybody because my spirit is wide open
when I am enjoying the fellowship of a meal.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You understand what I'm saying. That's coin, Anda, that coin.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Andia some other couple of questions though, because this is powerful,
This is powerful, This is powerful.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yes, I'm praying that somebody is getting.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Freed, even right now from whatever oppression you are under.
I'm praying that you're enlightened. So I want to ask
you another thing, how are some of these land minds
of our souls triggered?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Liken some of these land minds to real land minds
like you did in your book.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh my goodness. Can I use myself as an example
of course? Okay, because I like to be transparent. Sometimes
we look at people and they're like, they're so powerful,
they're so anointed. But the truth is is that we
are still working out our soul salvation, which means we
don't put people on a pedal stool. We blessed God
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for the anointing for the gifts. But we are charged,
listen with also taking the medicine that we're trying to dispense,
Holly Lujas. And so, for instance, I'm on the freeway.
I think I was telling the people. I don't know,
it was like last week or something. I'm on the
freeway and I get cut off one or two times.
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No problem. You know, I always say you can tell
the condition of someone soul the way that they drive.
Maybe I'm freezing, but that's me, yes, And so I
am very much controlled fruit of the spirit. Self controlled.
Happens a third time and I'm like, Okay, something happened
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so preposterous and outrageous on the road where I was
cut off. Mind you, this is the same day. The
fourth time it happened. It got a reaction out of me,
and I said, man, what was that? Now, let me
calm down. I don't I am who I say I am.
It was yeah, it was just simply like, I can't
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believe they did that. What was that? That made no sense?
And Holy Spirit is always like a hit dog house,
so it's something there. Even though it was lurking after
layer after layer, it took the right amount of pressure
to detonate it understand what I'm telling you, And so
it was the right amount of pressure and it got
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a reaction from me. Now here's what the Holy Spirit says.
We are responsible for our actions and also our reactions.
And so he says, I'm not trying to litigate what
the person did. I'm after what's in you? He says,
because you reacted. I'm trying to show you that there
is something that yet lurks there that we have to address.
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And so I hope that kind of gives us an
understanding of.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What we're Yes, yes, years ago, I attended a conference
and one of the speakers was I can't even remember
what they were talking about, but they had this prayer
room that you could go to, you know, in between
the sessions, and I remember one session I ran to
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that prayer room. I was weeping and sobbing so uncontrollably
that I could barely articulate why I went in there
for prayer. And I remember saying to the intercessors, I
need a new heart. I need I need a new heart.
That's all I could get out and apostle. They started
praying about Lord Jesus. We don't want anybody to die,
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but should a heart become available, let her get the heart.
We pray for the doctors and the anointing their hands.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
And I'm saying, that's not it. I'm like, that's not it.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
No, I'm not talking Yeah, so I get that whole landmind.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It was something that was said.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
And this was an entrepreneurial and economical conference, so you
never know where the Lord's going to meet you, right,
And so that was a trigger for me. So I
hope you are hearing what she's saying today. You know
some of the triggers, some of you don't know until,
like she explained that fourth time, it was the same
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type of incident that occurred that finally got a reaction
out of her.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And so we're talking to those of us.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Who were married, single, rich, poor, black, white, skinny, it
doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Pay attention to these triggers
and offer that thing up to Holy Spirit so that
he can deal with us, because we need to be healed.
And Audrey said something at the beginning, and I felt
like she said, we keep talking about the same thing.
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For some reason, we had coach Erica.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Anderson on heal anyway, as her ministry.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
We've had so many people on talking about healing, and
this is not by design.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I pray.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I'm not trying to do a series of something. God
is saying the body of Christ needs to be healed.
We need healing, and so hear the people are. I
pray you share this podcast apostle.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In chapter four of.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Your book, you talked about this earlier, talk about the
sin that lurks, and you point out the importance of
naming the thing now and I thought about that, and
that's been a practice of mine. And not only is
it important that we name the sin, but you said
something in your book that I heard old Professor say
one day, and you talked about the difference between living
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under the blessing of the Lord versus living in his mercy.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So and nothing knows two.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Even in prayer, I don't ask the Lord to bless
me any kind of way. I'm specific. So we're talking
about sin lurking in and out, the naming the sin,
and even in asking the Lord for blessings, please talk
about the difference between living under the blessing of the
Lord versus living under his mercy.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, my Lord, the scripture says it very clearly that
obedience commands the blessing. And when we are not in obedience,
that means when we have not come under the shed blood,
when we have not made Jesus lord. We have a
lot of people that believe, but they have not made
Jesus Lord. There is a difference. And Scripture says even
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the demons belief a belief. This is why even in
discipleships it's moving from a belief to discipleship. There is
a difference. As a disciple. That means that you're standing
under something. I am standing under the Word of God.
It is my covenant, is my umbrella. It encloses me.
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And so one of the major things in the issues
even within those who say that they've made a confession
or profession in Jesus but there has been no transformation,
there's been no submitting to His lordship, is that they
are very quick to say I'm blessed, I'm blessed. Oh God,
I'm blessed. But but the Holy Spirit really pressed me
on this one, and he says, you have to make
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it very clear, say it but say it in love,
but be very clear that you are not under the
blessings of God. You're actually under his mer mercy. Yes, mercy.
It's script to says, It's tender mercies are over all
of his creation. And so what it is is that
God is being merciful uh to those who say that
they believe but have not yet been transformed, so that
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they would come into obedience, so that they would be
changed in their nature and their character in the soulish
realm uh. And so we have to be very mindful.
Sometimes will see people say, you know, I thank God. Well,
wait a minute, you gotta be careful there too, because
they may not even have the same God that you have.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And so remember the scripture says that Satan is the
God of this world. And then there are many gods.
People make themselves God. So if somebody gets up there,
they talk as them. I just want to thank God
for his blessings. It's like, wait a minute, uh. And
he went further, saying that even in obedience to Satan's wickedness,
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because he copies everything that God does, he bless us also,
which means that if you seek him, that if you
do his demonic will. He is going to bless you.
He's going to give you even more power, more wickedness.
But at the end of the day, the thing that
you think that you're after, he says, you're not going
to get it. I was reading the book even again
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a couple of days ago before we came on, and
I was like, my God, I'm looking at it and
to myself when I'm reading it as an author, it
to me it's like I'm reading in my voice, obviously,
and to me it is a letter to the body
of Christ. That is how I wanted the book to
flow as holy spirits to me. I wanted it to
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be the same way as it would flow like from
his mouth. Unto the believer that wait a minute, there
are some things, beloved, that we have to address. And why,
he says, because departure is imminent and we must be ready.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
We must be ready, we must, we must. The time
to be ready is not the time to be getting ready.
And there are several people, family and friends who know
that they know that they know that Linda will leave you.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
When I need to be somewhere, Linda will leave you.
That's real talk.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
When I need to be someplace and I've you supposed
to be coming with me. I can't let my blessings
be blocked. I have got to get what God has
for me. I cannot allow anybody, even my own flesh,
to get in the way. And so being ready and
getting ready are two different things. We must be ready
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and time is sure and look at this time. It sure,
it's already two thirty five. I mean, this is God
is somebody and so many many comments. In fact, since
we've been doing this podcast, Audrey can probably testify that
this is the most comments and in an action that
we've ever had, which tells you that healing is a
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necessary and people are hungry for it, and some of
us just don't know how to go after it. Some
people are afraid of doctors. Some people have white coats syndrome.
If you understand, Hallelujah, who understands what I'm saying. And
so I want to just before Audrey comes back on,
because I'm sure she's gotten a ton of insight and
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she's looking at some of these comments. Now we talked
about we had a podcast and a class on the
Contemplative Lifestyle of a Believer by doctor Freddie James, and
I would like you to talk about what it really
looks like to seek God. To seek God, he is
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the priority. He must be the priority of your life.
Seek He first, the Kingdom and his righteousness, he says,
and everything else is going to be added to truly seek.
And I'm so glad you asked that question, because sometimes
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we use certain verbiage in the church, but people don't
really understand what it means. And to seek Him means
that there is a pursuit, a dog get pursuit of
his presence, not what's in his hand, not what he
can do for might, but just because he is the Lord,
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God Almighty, because it is the very breath that I breathe,
it belongs to him.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The power that I move and have my being with
it belongs to him. And I understand that at any
moment he can actually take it back. And so it
is the understanding that everything that I have need of
it is found in Him. And to seek Him means
that I set the time. It is a set time
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where the Lord is expecting me. I hope that makes sense,
which means that, y'all, if my point of dedication is
three o'clock in the morning, if it's seven a m
if it's new whatever. My point of dedication is the
Lord is expecting me every day, and when I don't come,
he's looking for me. It's almost like an atom. Where
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are you?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And so the Lord is looking for that. Am I
saying that's the only time you pray? No? There will
be times when Holy Spirit says, get up, go here,
let's pray.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Let's get this.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
But there should be a set time where the Lord
and you commune. Where you come, I like before my
day starts to say, listen, tell me what you desire
to happen in this day. And so for the Lord,
that means that I make him my first priority, before
what I have to do, before my children, my child,
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before my husband. He is my priority. And so then
everything else that must come it is actually made better.
They get a better meat because I spent that time
in seeking God and communing with Him. And let me
say this to the beloved of Christ, that seeking Him
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is not always talking. Sometimes it's just coming before His
holy presence. And sometimes you can't even get a word,
my God. But when you bow before His presence, when
you humble thyself, that it's just my head has dropped
and I feel the weight of his glory, the bat
of His glory has come down. I can't get nothing out.
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And the thing is God already this is this is
part of prayer I love so much and I'm getting excited.
Here is that even before I can utter it out,
My Lord and my God, it just it arrests me
what I'm saying. Here is the deal. If it don't
move you, it didn't move God.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Amen, Now.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It did not move God because your Noah, the Holy Spirit,
should be testifying to you as you are praying that,
My God, you have touched Heaven with what you have said.
Not because i want to be eloquent. I'm pouring out
my heart to him. I A'm pouring out my spirit.
I'm pouring out my soul. I am an intimate connection
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and relationship to him. This is seeking the Lord.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Couldn't have said it any better or you get ready
to come back on if you will, And I'm gonna
say this too.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
As she talked about.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Seeking the Lord, please understand that if you're struggling with something,
if you're angry about something, you're wrestling with something, you
can pour that out to the Lord. You cannot hide
from him. You may as well open your mouth and
say what it is that you're dealing with, what it
is that you're wrestling, because he already knows.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Sometimes he just wants to hear you say it. Come on, Audrey,
doctor Chang.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The chat is on fire.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Year like I people needed it. It is.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm over here and saying I happen to look up
and like, oh my lord, this thirty nine messages over here. Hallelujah, Yes,
teach it what listen? The chat is on fire, y'all.
Such a good word, such a good word.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
And I and I have to some notes, you know,
I always take notes.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I gotta tell you though. You said that you said that.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Last part, and I was like, that's a good one
right there.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
If it if it didn't move you, it didn't move god, I.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Was like, oh wait a minute, now, talk about that
or second.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
So that was one and then the other one.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I wanted you to explain when you said we we
are charged with taking the medicine we are trying to dispense.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
What does that mean? I was like, what does that mean?
Please explain that.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Let me touch the first one, since that was the
latest the one where it was. Take it, well, let
me let me do this. Taking medicine means this. Sometimes
we get so caught up in our secondary uh commission
(40:37):
that we don't take care of our primary commission. The
primary commission is to know Him and the power of
his resurrection. But when we get caught up into our
secondary we started thinking, Oh, I'm an apostle, I'm a pastor,
I'm a teacher. I'm not at that. But if I
do not take care of my primary calling, I cannot
(40:59):
be successful in my secondary. This is where the Jesus says,
those believers will come before him, Lord Lord, But didn't
we cash out all these demons? Didn't we prophesy in
your name? Didn't we work miracles? He said, you did
all of that, But I never knew. This is taking
the medicine that you are trying to dispense to others,
(41:21):
Which means here is that I always say this and
this is the truth, and I told the Lord I
won't do it any other way. I must be the
first partaker of anything that I'm going to give, which
is that if the Lord has giving me a message
to give to the people, deal with you first. Ye,
where are my concerning Yes, I can give you a message,
I can't encourage you in an area where I have
(41:43):
not gone into those realms myself. If I have not
said that, wait a minute, I am a partaker of
the Bread of deliverance daily. How can I tell you
to get hell get delivered? And I won't do it myself.
But this is the very thing where we have so
many people in the pulpits I'm telling you, where they
are trying to talk about something that are even worship
(42:04):
leaders and so on and so forth, where they're trying
to take you into an area that they know nothing about. Yeah,
and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Give me the other one, uh man, I'm the last
one is if it didn't move you, it didn't move God.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
This is the thing Holy Spirit would have us concerning that.
You can be in a posture of prayer and not
be praying. You can be in a posture of worship
with your hands out and not be worshiping. There are
things that we go through sometimes where you go through
the motion. God says, I don't. It's almost like being healed.
(42:43):
He says, I'm not looking for behavior modification. What I'm
looking for is a cleansing and a washing. I'm looking
for something that is eternal, and so behavior modification will
only last for so long until you get the right
amount of pressure, and then it det makes that landmine.
This is the problem with the enemy. He is so patient,
(43:04):
he is so organized that he will wait until you
start climbing upset ladder and wait until you have the
biggest platform that you can go to, and he will detonate,
I'm telling you, and then it will cause all of
the people to be bled upon. And I'm telling you,
it causes casualties. So when I'm saying, if it does
(43:26):
not move you, it does not move God, I say that,
and I say it in love.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
But when we go.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And we are praying empty prayers to God, when we're
praying the same thing, there is no way you should
be going before the Father praying the.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Same thing every day.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Every day to him is different. It's different every day.
Come on. There are some expressions of prayer that are myhavired,
and there's nothing wrong with that. But God says, sometimes
I need you the war in prayer, hallelujah. Sometimes I
just need you, you know, just just such a blocking
you know, sometimes I just need you to up lift
the Lord Jesus Christ before me. I just need you
(44:03):
to get in a pocket of total my God. Sometimes
I can't even stand up and pray. I have to
lay prostrate before him because that is the weight of
his glory that has come down. He's not looking for
my same old tide prayers.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
He says.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Let's have a conversation. He says, you may not even
be able to talk. This is when Holy Spirit comes
in and hijects the place. Let me stand down, because
I'm telling you I feel the fire of God in
this place. I'm in the sanctuary, and when I tell
you it's it's waves of heat coming in and out,
waves of heat in and out for his glory.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And Ursula said, that's why we can't rush. I used
to get impatient with my husband when we prayed together
because we'd be on our knees and he would be
silent for so long that I will open my eyes
and look at him. But what he does, he listens
before he opens his mouth. He listens, and I've learned
(45:04):
from him and doing that. He listens before he opened
his mouth, and be ready to go with this. It
is my spiritual mother taught me another reason why not
to rush us, because you never know what door of
prayer as you just stay to the apostle God wants
us to enter. And sometimes it's simply thanksgiving. Sometimes it's
simply just thank you. There are times when when I'm praying,
(45:24):
all I can say is thank you and nothing else
comes out. Yes, yeah, So we know we need to
wrap this up. We know we've got to have apostle
in it back on, and I want to thank y'all
so much and pray, pray that this ministry because our
mission and Linda Chen ministries, is that the people are
(45:46):
blessed in night, enlightened, renewed, and transformed for fruitful living.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yes right, Audrey, take us out, my sister. Listen.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
We've been doing this show almost two years, Doctor Chan,
I see so many hands, claps and fight in this
chat room. This was a message that was so so
much needed, so so needed. So we want to thank
all of you. If you can't see the chat room, go.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Back and look at the replay.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
But we want to thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
We want to thank you all for joining, We want
to thank you for sharing one, thank you for being
vulnerable today because people in the chat are saying, I
needed this, I need this was a message I needed
to hear and somebody out there is listening.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
You needed to hear it too.
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Speaker 4 (46:47):
We need it.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
There's a lot going on right now. There's a lot
going on that's a show for a whole nother day
and a whole nother show.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
But here's what we know.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
We got a woman of God, and she got friends
of God, and they're here on this show every the
Monday talking to you at two o'clock. So if she
had a show with two friends, we'll be back in
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Speaker 3 (47:08):
Listen Moment of God with.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
My favorite color purple. Thank you so much for the word.
Had you had to hide over here today like I
have never we have never seen this many listen, what
a blessing.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yes, she was a blessing. She was a blessing.
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Everybody, Please God bless aye.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
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