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Speaker 1 (00:00):
After Game number four, Tom Thibera went to the post game,
pulled him and said, Hey, now that we're down three
to one, we have to play the game, not the series.
And I felt that, and I guess his team felt
that because tonight, in this Game five, they played the
game recognizing the stakes. Hey, if we lose this, our seed,
our season is over. The garden is jumping, you know.
The fans recognized it. Coming back down three one is
(00:21):
really really tough in this league and almost nearly impossible.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But they didn't feel that.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The crowd was electric, even though there were a couple
of like eight to oh ten oh runs where they
were like, oh, not again, not again. The crowd was
electric and the Knicks this is the second time in
the series where the defense was so smothering that I'm
watching it thinking to myself, why the hell haven't they
been able to do this more often than the series?
Why do they need to be down three to one
(00:45):
for this defense to be as handsy as active as
it was tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Not a single player on the Pacers or in their
starting five head of a game, we're gonna talk about
Tyrey's Haliber performs because how of hell. He gave us
a historic performance last game in Game four where he
put up numbers that nobody's double for other than Big
O and Nicole Oakins, and then tonight give us his
absolute stinker. I think it was I think I know
it was Tim Legler, who's one of the best in
the world, and talking about this sport. He was asked about,
(01:13):
if you were Tom Thibodeaux or so and so, what
would you do differently defensively against.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And one thing he noted was he would pick up
Tarry's Halliburton earlier, right, instead of waiting until he get
around the three point line or so on or the hash.
Instead of waiting until the end to start the defense,
how about we started up earlier. You know, the Pacers
have been bringing ninety four feet to jay Len Bronson
pretty much every single game. The Knicks don't have the
same personnel to be able to do that. But how
about we pick him up around half court? How about
we have them start their offense so early on or
(01:40):
so high up that it makes it difficult for some
of the other stuff to happen. And I thought today
they did exactly that, where there is not a single
thing that the Pacers did offensively that they felt or
look comfortable doing. So I don't know if what they
did tonight is replicatable for game number six or game
number seven, But the end of the day, again, if
you are Tom Thibodeau, you are not playing the series.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You were playing the game. All you needed to do
went tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You know, even if it don't that the defensive scheme
doesn't work on Saturday. You only need it tonight and
then you worry about Saturday once you get to Saturday.
You know what I'm saying. So the defense was one
of the things even even Reggie, Reggie's on the car
and you know Reggie, you know who Reggie going Foh,
you know what I'm saying. But even Reggie has to
recognize how ridiculously good this defense was tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And it wasn't just good when it was Mitchell Robinson
on the court. It wasn't just.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Good when it was So and So Card the towns
of the court, no Brunton or Brunton on the court,
No Card, then it's and dandem And it hasn't been
the case in this series where they even showed the
on off stats of Jalen Bronson, and I think we
mentioned this a little bit after their last game. Somebody asked, like,
what do I make of the on off stats of
Jalen Bronson? Tonight was one of the Knights where it's like,
(02:46):
our defense is playing so good right now, we can
afford to do this and do that, And it was
really respectable the first quarter, in the third quarter for
Jalen Bronson, absolute masterclass. I mentioned this before, but I
have this the utmost amount of respect for a player
like Jaylen Brunson, and I'm talking about these supreme individual creators. Obviously,
(03:06):
Jaylen Brunson uses screens and so on and so forth
to get an advantage, as everybody does in basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But if you are.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Defending Jalen Brunson, you have to nearly be perfect to
get a stop. The footwork is elite for somebody that's
six foot. He's using his body in his lack of size,
to his advantage drawing fouls. He's able to play through
contact and finished plays and ones. I know there's conversations
around him and Shay and the way they get whistles.
That shit has never mattered to me. It's an art form.
(03:35):
The what Jaylen Brunton is able to do with that
size and ones in the first quarter in the third quarter,
absolute massive class with Jaylen Bronson for him to end
up with thirty two, five and five with eighty one
percent TRU shooting, and I thought he competed defensively tonight,
which again is all you can really ask for for
Jaylen Brunton. This was a superstar performance recognizing the stakes.
And I don't know the stats, but I feel like
(03:56):
Jaylen Bronson is so damn good and close out games.
I'm gonna see if I can look at a right now,
because I just I don't know. Maybe I'm bugging. Obviously,
he ain't got no NBA championship, so he's played in
a couple of close out.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Games that didn't go his way. But I just I just.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Feel like he's been able to just win and play
really good in closing games. So that's just me, that's
just I test Kiddy Beachum first close our game of
the postseason against Detroit, he had forty I remember that went.
The last one against Boston he had twenty three, so
maybe not his best performance, but damn it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He shot fifty seve percent from the field.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And then tonight it's not a close out game for them,
but an opposing team close out again, just rising to
what his team needs. Carthony Towns also amazing on tonight.
As much as I love Carthy Towns as a shooter,
I love him more when he is using that big,
burly body to his advantage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Viasus.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Car Anthony Towns, as clumsy as he can look at
times on the court, has a mesh of a big
ass body, but also a foot speed that he should
not have, so just putting his head down, get into
the basket, finishing through contact. He had five free throws tonight.
I truly I felt like he should have had more.
That's how much contact he was drawn on his drives
and using that size Josh hart something happened in these
(05:04):
last two gameshere, Josh Hartess had butterfingers and just turning
the ball over a little more. But Mitchell Robinson gave
them a couple of stretches. And I'm actually surprised that
we are this far into the series and we're still
getting Mitchell Robinson eleven minute spurts in the first quarter,
because by a minute number seven or eight, the man
is gas hands on his hips, and I'm just surprised
(05:26):
that Paceer didn't take advantage of that more in this game.
But he had a stretch in the third quarter before
they went to hack a mitch where he was on
the glass.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He was finishing stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And like there are a few times when the Pacers
did go on like an eight h run, seven oh run,
and you can hear a pin drop in the.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Guard because like game number one again, no.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Not tonight, because they were able to match those run
with their own run. So this is an amazing game for
the New York Knicks, and they continue to have this
series can be elongated if you will. Now on the
other side of things, let's talk about from the Pacers' perspective.
We got siakam poor game, we have Tyree's poor game.
I felt like every single TJ McConnell turnover was very
(06:03):
important to the for the Knicks tonight, where like, oh,
we got a little wrong going TJ McConnell leaves his
feet and only a few people can lead their feet
and successfully pass that ball. TJ usually is one of
those guys. Not tonight, Mouse Turner in twenty four minutes
five points, nim Hard getting fried on the defense side
of the ball and only scoring six. So Tarres Haliburn
gave us a performance last game was legitimately legendary to
(06:24):
go up three to.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
One, and for him to do is tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
He just didn't adjust as fast as I thought he
would have in a game like this, Like I mentioned
how Harry's Halliburn is climbing up that list of becoming supercomputers,
and you know there's still guys at the top, like
a Bron, like a Luca, like a Yolkic, And you
know you can name the other people that you might
fit into this category. When I talk about supercomputers, I'm
talking about people that process the game at a whole
(06:49):
another level that are two to three steps ahead, and
typically that is Tarry's Halliburn. I thought today kind of
showcases why he's just not at the level of those
other supercomputers. Because those other supercomputers, but okay, they're doing
this this possession like we've seen Luka Doncik's play a
team in the Minnesota Timbles last year last year where
on a possession by possession basis, they were hedging, they
(07:11):
were dropping, they were doing just doubling on pick and rolls,
They were doing everything, and it felt like Luca Dons
was able to pinpoint exactly whether it be a damn
tail that Rudy Gobert was given on defense for him
to know, Oh, they're about the blitz this. Oh they're
about to head this. Oh they're about to play drop.
And he took advantage again being one or two steps ahead.
Tyree's didn't do that tonight, and actually Tyres Haliburn got
(07:33):
two feet into the back. I can't wait to rewatch
part of this game. He got his two feet into
the paint a few times, and you wouldn't be able
to know based on his final stat line because I
felt as though once he did end up getting those
two feet into.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
The paint, everybody else stayed home.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The Knicks decided like, we're just gonna chill out, and
if Reese wants to go out with that layup, you
can have a layup. And he never went up to
try to finish those buckets, and instead he was jump
passing and just getting it out to reset the offense.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
When he at the offense, he had too at.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The rim, he had it right there, and everybody else's
stayed home to prevent it from being a game. I
don't know, a super explosion Aaron Nee Smith game or
nim hard hitting four threes or whatever, whatever. This is
one of the few games in the series where I
thought the Knicks played their game like the Pacers have
been leading this series, not just in the total amount
of wins in the series, but having the Knicks adjust
(08:23):
to them, and tonight I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Felt like they had.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
They did a poor job of actualizing their true identities
that they've showed us over the course of his playoff runt,
and the Knicks were like, no, this is who we are,
and I think that's interesting. No idea what's gonna happen
in Game number six. This this playoff series, or the
playoffs in general have been as unpredictable as any playoffs
I've ever really covered. So I'm just excited to see, Okay,
what will Rick Carlisle do next? As this team that
(08:48):
has lost what every single Game three of the postseason
so far, always came out in game number four and
just were better than Game three in mates than nes
serie adjustments. Now we're seeing them lose a game outside
of Game three, and we'll see if they're adjust for
Game number six. A will the Knicks be able to
go into Indiana and win a game again. Regardless of
what happened. I am fully seated and it's getting my
(09:08):
full attention. It's just super excited. Shout out to have
been to the Math in the second game in a row
where he gave them really good value. He's putting so
much pressure on the rim, getting into the basket and
finishing through contact and everything. So all we got Jerrs Walker,
which I thought was pretty cool, and Johnny Furfey played
at the end of this game. So I shout at
Johnny furfy who we interviewed when he was coming into
(09:29):
the draft, and he walked into the room and I,
who was a teenager walk into this room.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh, he's gonna be in the NBA. Damn.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All right, shout out to the next Keep the series alive, baby,
we'll be watching
After Game number four, Tom Thibera went to the post game,
pulled him and said, Hey, now that we're down three
to one, we have to play the game, not the series.
And I felt that, and I guess his team felt
that because tonight, in this Game five, they played the
game recognizing the stakes. Hey, if we lose this, our seed,
our season is over. The garden is jumping, you know.
The fans recognized it. Coming back down three one is
(00:21):
really really tough in this league and almost nearly impossible.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But they didn't feel that.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The crowd was electric, even though there were a couple
of like eight to oh ten oh runs where they
were like, oh, not again, not again. The crowd was
electric and the Knicks this is the second time in
the series where the defense was so smothering that I'm
watching it thinking to myself, why the hell haven't they
been able to do this more often than the series?
Why do they need to be down three to one
(00:45):
for this defense to be as handsy as active as
it was tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Not a single player on the Pacers or in their
starting five head of a game, we're gonna talk about
Tyrey's Haliber performs because how of hell. He gave us
a historic performance last game in Game four where he
put up numbers that nobody's double for other than Big
O and Nicole Oakins, and then tonight give us his
absolute stinker. I think it was I think I know
it was Tim Legler, who's one of the best in
the world, and talking about this sport. He was asked about,
(01:13):
if you were Tom Thibodeaux or so and so, what
would you do differently defensively against.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And one thing he noted was he would pick up
Tarry's Halliburton earlier, right, instead of waiting until he get
around the three point line or so on or the hash.
Instead of waiting until the end to start the defense,
how about we started up earlier. You know, the Pacers
have been bringing ninety four feet to jay Len Bronson
pretty much every single game. The Knicks don't have the
same personnel to be able to do that. But how
about we pick him up around half court? How about
we have them start their offense so early on or
(01:40):
so high up that it makes it difficult for some
of the other stuff to happen. And I thought today
they did exactly that, where there is not a single
thing that the Pacers did offensively that they felt or
look comfortable doing. So I don't know if what they
did tonight is replicatable for game number six or game
number seven, But the end of the day, again, if
you are Tom Thibodeau, you are not playing the series.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You were playing the game. All you needed to do
went tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You know, even if it don't that the defensive scheme
doesn't work on Saturday. You only need it tonight and
then you worry about Saturday once you get to Saturday.
You know what I'm saying. So the defense was one
of the things even even Reggie, Reggie's on the car
and you know Reggie, you know who Reggie going Foh,
you know what I'm saying. But even Reggie has to
recognize how ridiculously good this defense was tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And it wasn't just good when it was Mitchell Robinson
on the court. It wasn't just.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Good when it was So and So Card the towns
of the court, no Brunton or Brunton on the court,
No Card, then it's and dandem And it hasn't been
the case in this series where they even showed the
on off stats of Jalen Bronson, and I think we
mentioned this a little bit after their last game. Somebody asked, like,
what do I make of the on off stats of
Jalen Bronson? Tonight was one of the Knights where it's like,
(02:46):
our defense is playing so good right now, we can
afford to do this and do that, And it was
really respectable the first quarter, in the third quarter for
Jalen Bronson, absolute masterclass. I mentioned this before, but I
have this the utmost amount of respect for a player
like Jaylen Brunson, and I'm talking about these supreme individual creators. Obviously,
(03:06):
Jaylen Brunson uses screens and so on and so forth
to get an advantage, as everybody does in basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But if you are.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Defending Jalen Brunson, you have to nearly be perfect to
get a stop. The footwork is elite for somebody that's
six foot. He's using his body in his lack of size,
to his advantage drawing fouls. He's able to play through
contact and finished plays and ones. I know there's conversations
around him and Shay and the way they get whistles.
That shit has never mattered to me. It's an art form.
(03:35):
The what Jaylen Brunton is able to do with that
size and ones in the first quarter in the third quarter,
absolute massive class with Jaylen Bronson for him to end
up with thirty two, five and five with eighty one
percent TRU shooting, and I thought he competed defensively tonight,
which again is all you can really ask for for
Jaylen Brunton. This was a superstar performance recognizing the stakes.
And I don't know the stats, but I feel like
(03:56):
Jaylen Bronson is so damn good and close out games.
I'm gonna see if I can look at a right now,
because I just I don't know. Maybe I'm bugging. Obviously,
he ain't got no NBA championship, so he's played in
a couple of close out.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Games that didn't go his way. But I just I just.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Feel like he's been able to just win and play
really good in closing games. So that's just me, that's
just I test Kiddy Beachum first close our game of
the postseason against Detroit, he had forty I remember that went.
The last one against Boston he had twenty three, so
maybe not his best performance, but damn it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He shot fifty seve percent from the field.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And then tonight it's not a close out game for them,
but an opposing team close out again, just rising to
what his team needs. Carthony Towns also amazing on tonight.
As much as I love Carthy Towns as a shooter,
I love him more when he is using that big,
burly body to his advantage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Viasus.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Car Anthony Towns, as clumsy as he can look at
times on the court, has a mesh of a big
ass body, but also a foot speed that he should
not have, so just putting his head down, get into
the basket, finishing through contact. He had five free throws tonight.
I truly I felt like he should have had more.
That's how much contact he was drawn on his drives
and using that size Josh hart something happened in these
(05:04):
last two gameshere, Josh Hartess had butterfingers and just turning
the ball over a little more. But Mitchell Robinson gave
them a couple of stretches. And I'm actually surprised that
we are this far into the series and we're still
getting Mitchell Robinson eleven minute spurts in the first quarter,
because by a minute number seven or eight, the man
is gas hands on his hips, and I'm just surprised
(05:26):
that Paceer didn't take advantage of that more in this game.
But he had a stretch in the third quarter before
they went to hack a mitch where he was on
the glass.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He was finishing stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And like there are a few times when the Pacers
did go on like an eight h run, seven oh run,
and you can hear a pin drop in the.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Guard because like game number one again, no.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Not tonight, because they were able to match those run
with their own run. So this is an amazing game for
the New York Knicks, and they continue to have this
series can be elongated if you will. Now on the
other side of things, let's talk about from the Pacers' perspective.
We got siakam poor game, we have Tyree's poor game.
I felt like every single TJ McConnell turnover was very
(06:03):
important to the for the Knicks tonight, where like, oh,
we got a little wrong going TJ McConnell leaves his
feet and only a few people can lead their feet
and successfully pass that ball. TJ usually is one of
those guys. Not tonight, Mouse Turner in twenty four minutes
five points, nim Hard getting fried on the defense side
of the ball and only scoring six. So Tarres Haliburn
gave us a performance last game was legitimately legendary to
(06:24):
go up three to.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
One, and for him to do is tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
He just didn't adjust as fast as I thought he
would have in a game like this, Like I mentioned
how Harry's Halliburn is climbing up that list of becoming supercomputers,
and you know there's still guys at the top, like
a Bron, like a Luca, like a Yolkic, And you
know you can name the other people that you might
fit into this category. When I talk about supercomputers, I'm
talking about people that process the game at a whole
(06:49):
another level that are two to three steps ahead, and
typically that is Tarry's Halliburn. I thought today kind of
showcases why he's just not at the level of those
other supercomputers. Because those other supercomputers, but okay, they're doing
this this possession like we've seen Luka Doncik's play a
team in the Minnesota Timbles last year last year where
on a possession by possession basis, they were hedging, they
(07:11):
were dropping, they were doing just doubling on pick and rolls,
They were doing everything, and it felt like Luca Dons
was able to pinpoint exactly whether it be a damn
tail that Rudy Gobert was given on defense for him
to know, Oh, they're about the blitz this. Oh they're
about to head this. Oh they're about to play drop.
And he took advantage again being one or two steps ahead.
Tyree's didn't do that tonight, and actually Tyres Haliburn got
(07:33):
two feet into the back. I can't wait to rewatch
part of this game. He got his two feet into
the paint a few times, and you wouldn't be able
to know based on his final stat line because I
felt as though once he did end up getting those
two feet into.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
The paint, everybody else stayed home.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The Knicks decided like, we're just gonna chill out, and
if Reese wants to go out with that layup, you
can have a layup. And he never went up to
try to finish those buckets, and instead he was jump
passing and just getting it out to reset the offense.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
When he at the offense, he had too at.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The rim, he had it right there, and everybody else's
stayed home to prevent it from being a game. I
don't know, a super explosion Aaron Nee Smith game or
nim hard hitting four threes or whatever, whatever. This is
one of the few games in the series where I
thought the Knicks played their game like the Pacers have
been leading this series, not just in the total amount
of wins in the series, but having the Knicks adjust
(08:23):
to them, and tonight I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Felt like they had.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
They did a poor job of actualizing their true identities
that they've showed us over the course of his playoff runt,
and the Knicks were like, no, this is who we are,
and I think that's interesting. No idea what's gonna happen
in Game number six. This this playoff series, or the
playoffs in general have been as unpredictable as any playoffs
I've ever really covered. So I'm just excited to see, Okay,
what will Rick Carlisle do next? As this team that
(08:48):
has lost what every single Game three of the postseason
so far, always came out in game number four and
just were better than Game three in mates than nes
serie adjustments. Now we're seeing them lose a game outside
of Game three, and we'll see if they're adjust for
Game number six. A will the Knicks be able to
go into Indiana and win a game again. Regardless of
what happened. I am fully seated and it's getting my
(09:08):
full attention. It's just super excited. Shout out to have
been to the Math in the second game in a row
where he gave them really good value. He's putting so
much pressure on the rim, getting into the basket and
finishing through contact and everything. So all we got Jerrs Walker,
which I thought was pretty cool, and Johnny Furfey played
at the end of this game. So I shout at
Johnny furfy who we interviewed when he was coming into
(09:29):
the draft, and he walked into the room and I,
who was a teenager walk into this room.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh, he's gonna be in the NBA. Damn.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All right, shout out to the next Keep the series alive, baby,
we'll be watching
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