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June 14, 2025 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's rare that I watch a basketball game and it
leaves me speeches.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I have no idea what just happened in that game.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
The Indiana Pacers had the momentum, had the crowd, had
the performances, had.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Everything for three quarters, and they lost.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm just like at a loss, mostly because I don't
know what's gonna happen for the rest of the series fall.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We know the Pacers could still win, but for.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Three one to be that much in reach and not
to be able to grab it against this OKAC team,
Man Man oh Man ok See, by the numbers, had
no business winning this game. Ok Seed just hit three

(00:51):
three pointers in an NBA Finals game in one. Right
before I loaded up, found out that the last team
to do that was was the Boston Celtics in eight,
almost almost twenty years ago. I'm around a little bit
almost twenty years ago. They had eleven assists as a team.

(01:13):
They had eight assists going into the fourth and they
won the fourth quarter thirty one to seventeen, So they
had three. They finished with three assists in a fourth
quarter where they pull off a huge comeback.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
The Pacers all postseason long has been.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The comeback kids is what they've done, and they've been
amazing at it, and for once it was the other
way around. This game was so much in the pacers
favor going into the fourth quarter that about halftime I
tweeted out, it's sga sick. Not only did he have
like eleven points on eleven shots with zero zero free throws,

(01:50):
zero ass he finished the goddamn game with zero six
by the way, with zero re free throws, zero assists.
I was even looking at the box. I was looking
at the man of res.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was looking at the way he.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Was playing the game of basketball. He was pretty passive.
There's a few times he got off the ball to
dub and waved his hand to say.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like, no, this is your time to shy. That's just
not normal.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
A few turnovers by ok see that led to some breakaways,
and Share was the last two down court.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So on my mind, this is this flu game.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Literally we know they I mean they mentioned on the
broadcast at gazillion times talking about them trying to trying to,
you know, change up his pattern so he's not as
tired down to stretch.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Damned ad that work.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
But I genuinely is watching Shay and again as somebody's
watched a ton of Shay over the last however many years.
This was an uncharacter or another uncharacteristic performance. Three quarters into
this game, and again I can't give enough credit to
like mim Harden's defense on him all series long has
been has been incredible. But then we get to the
fourth quarter, and I praised the the Indiana Pacers for

(02:53):
one thing that they have done differently than so many
other teams across basketball when it comes down to clutch games.
You know, they were so far in these and they
have been the clutch team. I think they were nine
to one going into today's game. They have been the
clutch team. And one of the reasons for that is
a they got some pretty good closes and they generate
the looks usually. I thought in this game they look
like all the other twenty nine teams when it comes

(03:14):
to close games. Okay, see did something different in the
last couple of minutes. This game was so percuted to me,
and I didn't know what to do, and I rewind.
I'm like, I gotta rewatch these last five minutes in
reels like I gotta go back, I gotta go back,
and Okay, see decided to pretty much switch everything, and
that just changed the brain chemistry of what the Pacers
normally do. A team that's normally swing, swing, pass, dribble penetration,

(03:36):
passed one more to open shots.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Resulted the ioball.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Halliburn gets to switch on Shag gives Alexander we gonna
cook him, step back three, Noe shake gets a block,
Halliburn gets to switch on to chet Holgreen and chet
Holgren I gotta give you your respect that these two possessions,
but like calls Tyre's Halliburton to like pretty much airball
two threes. Now, there was a time where Halle got
to switch on to Shan and a lands to an
open layup. But for the most part it seemed like okay,

(04:04):
see salty switches and was like, we gotta take advantage here.
But it hasn't been the way they played basketball all
series long. So it was just different to see them
look like every other team, but that just hasn't been
their identity. I was so all of my notes, I'm
preparing to talk about this great defensive performance from the
Indiana Pacers in my notes last year, I was ready.

(04:26):
Last year, the Indiana pays the court to clean and
the glass were the twenty fourth ranked defense. This team
to go out there and go get a Rudy Gobert
or go out there and go get nobody elite to back.
This is the same Rice from last year. They just
turned it off. Even early into the season. They weren't
a great defensive team, and then Nee Smith and themhard
came back and their injuries, and then they were a
good defensive team.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I was completely prepared to come in here and
talk about how they locked up shape again.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Then the fourth quarter comes around and the OKC Thunder offense.
I pretty much hated forty four minutes of the offense
that they gave us today. It's just I mean, if
you end the game with eleven assists, I can't call
it a beautiful basketball game. I don't care, I don't
care the results. I can't call it a beautiful basketball game.

(05:13):
But in the last couple of minutes they decided to
do something a little bit different. All series long, and
I guess the entire day of this pace is run.
Opposing teams have tried their very best to attack Halliburn.
He's the worst defensive player on the court for the
Indiana pacers, Nimhr Nie Smith have been phenomenal defensively. Pascal

(05:33):
si Yakam gave you a master class at least for
the first couple of quarters and then then touched the
ball down the stretch. Mouse Turner good defender as well.
So like we're gonna attack Halliberd, he's the weakest link.
But in the last three minutes when we saw Shay
turn into what he scored fourteen points in the last
three to four minutes of this game, which is again like,
I know people are gonna talk about some other stuff
revolving around his game, but like for what it was worth,

(05:54):
ridiculous shot making, some of the best shot making you
ever see.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I know the conversation's gonna be different.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Last couple of minutes of this game, instead of trying
to go get Halliburn, they went out for Nie Smith.
And because Nie Smith and Nim Hart are such good
defenders in their own right different ways, right, you know,
Nie Smith is a bigger defender, willing to get a
little bit more contact. Nim Harder winds you down by
guard you ninety four feet and again on Shaye, He's

(06:20):
been amazing so far.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
But because they are such good defenders pacers, like we
just switched those. Nie Smith can hold his own. He couldn't.
I couldn't. The difference between Nie Smith and nim Hard.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I mean, there's a lot of difference. These are different players,
and again they're both great defensive players. But the one
thing that is to differentiate as far as like a
guarding a Shay thing is Nie Smith tends to be
a little bit more out of control defensively than the Nimhr,
a little bit less discipline on that side of the ball,
And that's part of a superpower, right. Nobody fights over screens,
are through screens better than Nie Smith. If you need

(06:56):
a level of I don't give a fuck defensively in
order to fight that well over scre pints. But that
mindset doesn't work against the say gives Alexander, So Shay
get him into like the the elbow slash, you know,
free throw line area and the shot making, the decision
making in that aspect, as far as like recognizing where
Nie Smith is beat and taking advantage of that with

(07:16):
supreme the baseline jump shot, supreme shot making.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
They their fits tangled up, both of them fall.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Maybe he ain't get a little bit armed from Shay
that ain't none out of the ordinary, doll the shot
making they're insane. Shae hit one three point of getting
the team on, he hit three, So yeah, he hit one,
and the one three point of that he hit is
just such a big three. He ended with thirty five
to three and three steel zero sets. A zero sis
thirty five point game is going to be crazy throughout history.

(07:47):
And he looked bad for three quarters and then he
comes in and has an MVP moment. And again, I
don't know what happens for the rest of the series.
I don't know what happens for the rest of the sea,
but I can't help but to think that if OKAC
goes on to win this series, you're gonna look back

(08:07):
on Game four and be like, damn, you know. I
thought that when OKAC went on their little run, maybe
I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Back and rewatch it. But like there was a time there.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Halliburn's on the bench just a little bit longer than
I probably would have would have done it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Maybe maybe I'm not ric carlin Rick car Lyisle is.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
A bazillion times more smart than I am when it
comes to basketball. He's he's you know, done the right
thing ninety nine percent of the time. So who am
I to talk about that one miss rotation? But for
Obi Topping to give you that seventeen and it was
allowed seventeen, it was an emphatic seventeen. It sucks to
lose his game, man, it really does. On OKC side,

(08:50):
I got a text message from my boy Mike. Let
me read you what this text message said. This is
during the game, Mike sends a text message that says.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Where where is it? A? Where's it?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
That?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Where's it at?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Hey, y'all, dudes, I'll say, dudes, ain't get a first
round pick for that man?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know that to say them shut up? I should
have hit him with the sow. The sow is better
than shut up. He said he worked at least two there,
said he planned out of his mind.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And then you know when when people hit you lower,
it hit you with a spot that you very you know,
you're very self conscious about it, something that you think
about all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
You gotta hit them lower. So what I say to Mike,
then y'all tray zubots for Michael Scolar got.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Him, got him, you know what I'm saying, got him.
But as Grusso was incredible today, talk about keeping the
team aflow out of nowhere. I mean just this whole
serious series. He's been pretty good, but like twenty points,
five steals, a block, he got a couple and ones
in this one Dub, I guess I could give. He

(09:51):
ended with twenty seven some of the shots and Dub
ended up taking. I know he's a mid range guy.
That I mean, that's what that's the identity of these
their top two dudes. They get to the bit rains
they create.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
From that spot.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
But I just think that they have so and he
specifically has so many more opportunities to take three pointers,
and they just he opts not to. You know, you
think about the game against is that the Denver Nuggets
Game seven, whichever game it was, there was a game
where he just went bananas from three and it was
just all catch and shoot open opportunities.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's like some of those shots are still there.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Gets his space team and for whatever reason, Bro just
don't want to do. He right to get downhill, which
I mean getting down hill has worked at least a
little bit for him. He right to get downhill, stop
and turn around and take the minute I was surprised
to see as much Wiggins as I did. Wiggins had
a really bad stretch in the first half, and I
was like, in my notes, I wrote no more Wigs
and he checked into the third court.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I was like, oh, what the ell is about?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
The only thing I could say is like I wanted
them to get more Pascal si I can touch this
down to stretch. He was great today. I thought that
he did an amazing job getting switches. He got Shay
gives Alexander or one of the first possessions of the game.
He got case and watas. A few times he got
Russo when he had that opportunity to do that, they
were good. The difference is like there was a time

(11:06):
where Obi Topping had the small defense on and he's
trying to get a post touch. Obi Topping don't have
the same level of give me that ball as Pascal siakim,
so they tried to throw it in Obi Topping and
ended up being a turnoff, Like, no, how about we
just keep those posts touches to Pascal Siaka, please please
please please, yeah, man, some of these notes is like
five twenty in the first quarter, uh seven seconds left

(11:29):
on the shot clock before Indiana oh no, this is
the defense about Okay, see, before Indiana even came close
to the three point line that ended in the turnover.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So it's like some of the small thing.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
This is a game of small margins, and the Pacers
feel like they won majority of them. They won ninety
six percent of them were putting into man eleven three
pointers to three.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Let me do some mathematics here. That is.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Twenty one twenty one point difference, twenty four point difference
in three pointers made, and you.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Walk out of there with a win. A lot of
conversations going to be about the officiating. Trust. I hated
the officiating tonight too.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I made a tweet It's like I can't wait to
see the thirty minute highlight reel of Scott Foster today
because goddamn, did we see him a lot. I mean,
it's a lot of free throws in general in this game.
Thirty three from the Pacers, thirty eight from the Thunder.
I don't think it was a well officiated game. I'm
not normally got to talks about officiating, but I didn't
think it was a well officiated game either way. It
was a great game for what it was worth, but

(12:29):
because of the officiating. It dumps an A minus game
to maybe a game to like an eight minus game,
because I thought it was pretty atrocious. And I think
part of the problem is they changed the level of
physicality that you were allowed to play on the game
the game basis, so sometimes that play right there is
a foul, but other times it's not. So me as
a player, do I play it as if it's a

(12:49):
foul or so I con tell you to be aggressive here?
And it just became too much. We should not be
hearing Scott Foster's voice four times in the basketball game person.
That's my opinion. We get until Monday, we got the
whole weekend with no NBA hoop, so.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's kind of trash.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I thought that the timing and schedule of it probably
impacted the shee lease a little bit. And again Shay
scored so much in the fourth court as it doesn't matter,
but like this was the first time when we had
a game just one day break in between. You know,
we had begetting the two game breaks between Game one
and Game two and game two in game three, but
three and four only gave us one day, and now
they get another two day. They go back to Oklahoma
City and yeah, they just took It's a tight series,

(13:28):
but because of home court advantage, they just took control
of the series. And we'll see how the Pacers react.
What a series has been. This has been the great series.
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