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June 14, 2025 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm struggling, y'all. Game three the NBA Finals just wrapped up.
The final scores one sixteen to one oh seven. A
banger of a game. I'm really struggling, struggling trying to
figure out what I call this game. I think it's
easy to be like, hey man, benevn Matherin played twenty
two minutes. He had twenty seven points, joining company of
Minu Janobili and I think Jason Terry for coming off
the bitch drop at twenty five plus an NBA Finals

(00:21):
It's a crazy stat in under twenty five minutes. It's
easy to say it's the Bennet Mathering game, right, But
there's a part of me.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I want to get at the TJ McConnell.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Tes mccon's had maybe the loudest ten point performance in
the NBA Finals history.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hell yeah, I'm being hyperbolic. I'm excited, baby. This supposed
to be a series that wasn't supposed to be good.
We got two banger of games out of three. That's great.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
TJ McConnell came into this game and his first stint
just electrified the crowds. What TJ McConnell does almost to
a fault sometimes, but that's what he does. He had
five steals. Three of those steals, y'all are off inbound plays.
We gonna talk about, Okay, see turnovers tonight, but they
played an uncharacteristic brand of basketball for at least to
a second quarter in the fourth quarter, but uncharacteristic brand

(01:05):
of basketball. TJ McConnell got three steals tonight off a
Maine basket and bound play. The last one was damn
near poetic. He gets to the basket. I think he's
guarded by like dub He pumped fixed three times.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
He missed a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Boom, It gets tipped out to Nimar Nimh is six
feet away from the basket, and I'm telling you that
six foot jump shot is one of the toughest shots
you could take.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're not close enough to lay it up. He had
no momentum going towards the basket. It's not a float
of range. So it's like, we gotta pull up and
shoot a full last jump shot from six feet away.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Cash Alice Ruster said, we gotta go, we gotta go.
We got numbers. If we go. He throws inbounds at boom. TJ.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
McConnell just like the best dB in in NFL history.
Who is that the beast dB in NFL history? Peanut Tillman,
bearl down. He looked like Pnut Tillman.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh fuck it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So yeah, we respect the hell out of the Ben
Mathter game. He was everything in the bag of chip.
But you know what I want to do, It's not
just call him the Ben at the Matter game.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Can we use it?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Can we talk about it like the Great Hill, Jason
kidd Rickitty, the co Rikidy Years, the Code Game three
at the NBA Finals is TJ McConnell and Ben math
Demmit it's boyd?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Where they great tonight?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean, I don't even know if there's words to
explain type of scoring that Ben Matherin was able to do.
And there was times throughout this playoffs, not specifically this series,
where Ben Mathrows given this team nothing, nothing, his fearlessness,
his ability to get to the free throw line is
so underrated for a team and the Pacers that just

(02:35):
so far through the first two games just haven't been
able to win the free throw battle. Even tonight they
didn't win the free throw battle. But for him to
not only attempt a free throws he had more than Shae. Yeah,
he had more points than Shade. He had more free
throws in Shade. Like, what world are we living in
where he attempted more free throws than one of the
most bald, dominant I'm gonna get you type players that

(02:56):
we know insane, Ben mathtering game while we was standing
on the pacers. There's been a lot of conversations about
Terry's Halliburton. Right between game number two and gain number three,
everybody's asking the same stupid question. And the only reason
is stupid because nobody cares. Nobody is he a superstar?
He is not superst that it's not relevant to anything.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Damn it. They're in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
The conversation around him is he superstars? He nod his
aggression levels and so on and so forth. After game
number two he goes to the posie and he says,
I gotta be better at figuring out the defense faster,
and his level of aggression was so much better tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I absolutely loved it. I didn't like the way he
talked about it than the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I would say, though, he took three shots in the
first couple of minutes, and you would have thought that, like,
I don't know, he never takes shots ever the way
they was talking on in the broadcast, but the shout
outs if my gout he hit four to three. Some
of those threes were like one of those threes at
least at the top of the gee he shot it,
and he was sprinting back on defense because he knew
he was cast.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
The floater was working. He did get down.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
He'll touch the paint a lot today. He still has
an attempt at a free throw through three games, which
is nuts to me. They did have a play lateness
game where Dor hit him on the arm. I thought
deserve free throws, but at that point they were playing
a free throw game. Anyway, it wouldn't have mattered. But
I don't think he's attempted to free throw so far
in this posting, in this UH player or this finals,
which is still kind of insane. Part of that is,
of course him not getting two feet in, and some
of that is like miscall here there. But great game

(04:16):
from him, and I'm gonna read you moles turners that
line nine points, two rebounds, three to eleven from the field,
five blocks, two turns. Nothing too dramatic, right, you know?
In history, this game, this game three for Miles Turner
might get lost because we're just gonna be looking at
the box score. I thought Myles Turner in that fourth quarter,
shut the faucet off on chat on, drivers on. He

(04:42):
played so good for a guy that again through our history,
is gonna be looked at a nine point two rebound performance.
This is such a great game for the Pacers because
I did feel like even in Game one that they won,
that they let ok See determine everything.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
They did go in though two big runs and eventually
hit a game mine from Tyre's Halliburn, but like again
oka See fans walked out of like damn, we fumbled
another one, just like we did Game one against Denver,
but like we controlled this game for so much. They're
showing a graphic that the Pacers had only had the
lead before this game for like two minutes time. The pace,
the way the game was being played, the intensity on
both sides of the floor, all of that had been

(05:20):
determined by Okac through the first two games. This is
the first game in the series where I feel like
they played Pacers basketball, And it's got to be scary
for It's got to be scary for the Thunder because
they've been able to basically mold the every series that
they've played based on what they want. And it's the
first time where they got kicked in the mouth and
it's like, oh shit, oh man, Shay is seeing two

(05:42):
bodies every single time. Shaye and Game number two played
a near flawless performance. You talked about it, how he
had thirty four.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
He had eight.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Assists, five steal steel stocks, and five rebounds. He was great,
decision making was on as a plus. Today was not
one of them days. They sent help, But I don't
think they sent help. They sent lay health, they sent
early help. They really made the brother think and sometimes
it felt like he was thinking a little bit too much,
which is obviously not something you want to do. They
did such a good job of keeping him off the line,

(06:09):
which is a big This is a hard thing to
do for Shay gives in Again, he's a manipulator of defenses.
So for him to finish this game with six free throws,
you feel so great about that. He had six free
throws and six turnovers. Again, he had seventeen turnovers as
a team. That's the most they've had all postseason long
and half of those or more than half of those,
ten of those are between their two primary ball handles,

(06:29):
and Shay gives Alexander and Dub. Some of the passes
they do tonight were lazy. Hey, man, if Tyre's Halliburton
is jumping your pass multiple times, maybe we should add
some more zip to it, right, you know, throwing that
late help As soon as they basically and as much
as I'm giving credit to Mathurin and TJ McConnell, I
think the Pacers win this game based on the defense tonight. Again,
you need those offensive performances, but the defense is what

(06:52):
caused them to win this game in my personal opinion.
And they were swarming Shaye the same way this same
OKC team has been swarming Jamal yokichis Anthony Edwards and
so on and so forth. You turn your back for
a split second, I dare you to spind defender there turnover.
It was again the Pacers determining everything, And I thought

(07:16):
that was maybe the biggest determinive factor in all of this. Man,
for them to have these levels of performances, and you know,
I thought, in order for them, if I'm being candid
to you, in order for them to go out there
and really have a great chance to win this series.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I thought one of the things.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
That had to be there with they had to shoot
a ton of threes and make a ton of threes.
And you start in the game one, right, they won
a three point battle by like twenty one points. I
think they made seven more threes than Okay, seeing game
number one game number two that was in the case
end up losing. Tonight, they won a game where they
hit ten threes and okay, see hit I'm saying, okay,
see hit more threes.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, see hit ten. They hit nine. So it's like
opening up.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
A bunch of different possibilities to what this team could
potentially do in the series if like in my mind,
I thought they needed to do this, and they still
won a game and they didn't do that thing again.
This series has been about punching and retaliating to punches,
and I thought that after game one, Markdino made some
great adjustments for game number two, and I wonder what

(08:14):
those adjustments look.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like for game three.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Luckily for us as NBA fans, we don't have to
wait three days in between games anymore. They're giving us
game game four on Friday right, So just like boom
right here with again.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I feel like there's so much more that we can
talk about. Pascal Siakam got a few switches early into
the game, which Shade got his first foul, and he
took advantage of those. I think of the first four shots,
he had three of them. Over the first five shots
he had four of them. That level of gresson never
really went away. He was still fighting, competing. I thought, okay,
he actually did a pretty good job of preventing him
in a lot of cases, but this was one of

(08:49):
them games where okay, see you look back on him like, damn,
that's not us and we can't allow that to be
the case again. And then one more time this series
is fucking another. Shaye did not have a performance again.
Chet was not good today.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Again.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
He started off he had fifteen points early on, but
likes outside of that not necessarily doing it. And one
of my major criticisms for OKC for the last two years,
and I know I've brung it up a couple different
times with to be on here of the podcast, I
don't really remember, is there lack of three point volume
and in a game where you're not winning the turnover
battle in the game where you know so and so

(09:26):
was happening. I just feel like they should be able
to get more threes up man, because this might be
stupid to say, but if you take away the six
chet Homern missed threes.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
They shot very well from three.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
How can we generate more threes is said Joe side
step three, one of the door threes. He shot that
shot so high that it went above the camera and
came in like a missile, like a torpede.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
They just splash.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know what the hell's gonna have it for
the rest of the series, But for the Pacers or
for the OKC Thunder to be minus seven, one hundred
favorites to win this and to be down to one
is so intriguing to me. Obviously, they mentioned on the
broadcast they've been here before, right, They were down two
one to the different Nuggets that went to seven, but
they won and seven.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So I'm not here. I'm not a north Stradamus.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I would be a gazillionaire if I could predict the future,
because I would just gamble all damn day. I'm sorry,
I don't know what the hell is going to happen next.
But all I care about is the product that's in
front of us. And again, two of those three games
have been amazing, and I can't wait to wake up
tomorrow and rewatch some of these things and figure out
exactly what the OKC Thunder can do differently for Game
them before, or what the Pacers can build on for

(10:32):
game four, because one of the things is like, you
can't get too stuck in what was working, especially against
these two good teams. Right, we can't say, oh, this
working game um A three, So we just need to
run it back at game them before because teams are
smarter than that. So you need to have a counter
punch to the team that's having the CounterPunch.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So yeah, we threw all of this help at Shay.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
We did this, and we did that, and maybe we
do it just a little bit different because now they're
preparing for us to do it this way. I cannot
believe where we're at, man, I cannot believe what we
are at. One of the most improbable playoff series in
so far, it has had an improbable outcome through three games.
Let me know what you think about this one.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I can't wait
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