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June 4, 2025 27 mins
Profiling the life and service of John and Jean Rosenberg, part two of our conversation with State Sen. Robin Webb, Kentucky Democrats discuss concerns about future cuts to Medicaid, President Trump criticizes a Kentucky Senator, and rescuing animals following a deadly tornado.
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>>

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>> I LOOK AT THIS LIKE WE'RE ALL
IN THIS TOGETHER REPRESENTING
KENTUCKIANS, AND THAT'S..
I PUT MY BLINDERS ON AND I JUST
WANT TO DO MY JOB.
>> MORE FROM STATE SENATOR ROBIN
WEBB ABOUT HER
PARTY SWITCH AND THE CRITICISM
SHE'S GETTING FROM BOTH PARTIES.

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>> PLANNED PARENT HOOD PROVIDES
SERVICES FOR WOMEN AND IN
PARTICULAR WOMEN WHO ALWAYS
CAN'T AFFORD TO GET HEALTHCARE
SOME OTHER PLACE.
>> DEMOCRATS STAND UP FOR
MEDICAID AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AND SAY IT IS NOT ABOUT
ABORTIONS.
>> YOU WANT TO HELP WHERE YOU
CAN.

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CERTAINLY, IN SMALL COMMUNITY,
MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.
>> AND SEE HOW THIS COUPLE'S
PASSION FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE HAS
MADE THEM A FORCE FOR CHANGE IN
KENTUCKY FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS.

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>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO
KENTUCKY EDITION FOR TUESDAY,
JUNE 3RD.
I'M RENEE SHAW.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR SPENDING
SOME OF YOUR TUESDAY NIGHT WITH
US.
ROBIN WEBB A STATE LAWMAKER FOR
OVER A QUARTER OF A CENTURY HAS
CLAIMED MANY IDENTITIES.

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THE LONG-TIME DEMOCRAT HAS BEEN
A COAL MINER, RANCHER AND NOW
REPUBLICAN.
SHE SHARED WITH US WHY SHE MADE
DECISION TO SWITCH POLITICAL
PARTIESEN TONIGHT SHE OFFERED A
DEFENSE TO THOSE WHO CLAIM SHE'S
BETRAYED DEMOCRATS AND THOSE WHO
SUPPORTED HER.
WE PICK UP PART TWO OF OUR
CONVERSATION RIGHT THERE.

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>> I WANT TO GO TO ESSENTIAL
SOCIAL MEDIA REACTION FROM FOLKS
IN YOUR DISTRICT OR DEMOCRATIC
PARTY ASSOCIATIONS HAS ACCUSE
YOU "OF DECEIVING AND BETRAYING
YOUR SUPPORTERS."
AND RENEGGING ON A PROMISE YOU
MADE TO RUN ANOTHER TERM AS A
DEMOCRAT.
>> I NEVER PROMISED THAT.
LET ME BE VERY CHAIR CLEAR.
I NEVER PROMISED THAT.

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I DON'T RECALL PROMISING THAT.
WOULDN'T PROMISE THAT BECAUSE,
LET ME TELL YOU, JUST TO BE
HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT IN THIS,
I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPONENT THE
LAST RACE.
I WAS BLESSED.
THANKFUL.
BUT I TOOK THAT TO MEAN THERE
WAS A PROBLEM WITH MY VOTING
RECORD BEFORE THEN, SOMEBODY
SHOULD HAVE SURFACED SOMEWHERE
AND SOMEHOW IN THE REPROTECTS OF

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MY DISTRICT AND THAT'S FINAL BUT
I APPRECIATED IT.
AND, I DIDN'T BETRAY ANYBODY IN
MY OPINION BECAUSE OF THE TIMING
OF IT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THE CYCLE.
AND, SO I'M PUTTING IT OUT
THERE.
THERE IS A FILING DEADLINE
COMING UP AND I THINK THAT'S
WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
AND EVERYBODY IS LIKE RESIGN AND
ALL THIS STUFF.

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THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE'RE SET UP.
PEOPLE ALL OVER THE UNITED
STATES HAVE CHANGED PARTIES.
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, SEVERAL
TIMES.
INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
CARE HOW MANY PARTIES THERE ARE.
I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
BUT, SO THAT SO ME IS NOT A
PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU LOOK BACK, THIS IS
NOT A DECISION HAS HAPPENED
OVERNIGHT.
THIS IS BASED ON THE STRUGGLES

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THAT I HAVE HAD INTERNALLY, WITH
MY CONSCIENCE, AND, MY VOTE.
I WOULD SAY, AT LEAST THREE
YEARS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT MY
FUNDRAISING ACTIVITY, I GOT THE
LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I
HAVE EVER HAD IN MY BANK
ACCOUNT.
AND YOU KNOW, I CAN RAISE MONEY
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I RAN
FOR THE SENATE, IT WAS MOST

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EXPENSIVE AND ONE OF THE
MEANEST, SHORT OF -- IN THE
COMMONWEALTH AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, I DIDN'T RAISE MONEY
BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO BE
THAT PERSON THAT RAISED MONEY AS
ONE THING, WHEN THERE WAS A
POTENTIALITY THAT I MIGHT NOT
STAY THE COURSE.
>> SHOULD YOU RETURN THE MONEY
THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE
SENATE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS AND

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OTHER DEMOCRATIC CONTRIBUTORS IN
THE PREVIOUS PSYCHLETHAT ROLLED
OVER FROM 2018 TO 2022 WHEN YOU
WERE UNOPPOSED?
>> THE LAST TIME, I GOT MONEY
FROM THE PARTY, I THINK IT WAS
2017 AND THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO.
YOU LOOK AT MY FINANCIAL
REPORTS, I GOT MONEY FROM A LOT
OF REPUBLICAN REPUBLICANS
HISTORICALLY THROUGH THE YEARS.

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SOME OF MY BIGGEST WERE
REPUBLICAN, BECAUSE OF THE JOB I
HAVE DONE AND FRIENDSHIPS AND
RELATIONSHIPS.
AND SO, I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH
MONEY IN █MY ACCOUNT AT THIS
POINT.
I HAVE BEEN -- THE PARTY HAS NOT
ASKED ME TO RETURN IT BUT, YOU
KNOW, THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH IN
IT.
IF THEY WANT SOME OF IT, THAT'S

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FINE.
BUT ALSO, I HAVE A MIXED BAG IN
THAT, RIGHT.
>> SO AS WE COME UPON THIS NEW
ELECTION CYCLE THE FOLLOWING
DEADLINE, TO CHANGE YOUR PARTY,
YOU NEED TO DO IT BEFORE THE END
OF THE YEAR.
WE KNOW THE FILING DEADLINE HAD
BEEN MOVED UP, RIGHT, AND CLOSER
TO JANUARY.
SO, DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF
HAVING DONE THE DEMOCRATS A
FAVOR TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO

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PERHAPS FIND A DEMOCRATIC
REPRESENT iFROM THE SENATE
DISTRICT NUMBER 18 OR NOT?
>> SOME OF THE DISPLEASURE THEY
HAD WITH ME ON MY VOTING RECORD.
THEY ARE NOT ALL PLEASED WITH
ANY ANYWAY.
THEY MIGHT WANT TO SEE ME COME
TO A CALL THROUGH THE YEARS AND
THEY CERTAINLY HAVEN'T LISTENED

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TO ME, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, OR HAD MY INCLUDED ME IN
ANYTHING AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE -- AND
I'M NOT THROWING ANYBODY BEHIND
THE BUS, THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE
DYNAMICS OF PARTY AND PARTY

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LEADERSHIP AND, INCLUSION AND
EXCLUSION AND HOW THINGS HAVE
GONE AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
I DON'T LIKE THE -- I DON'T LIKE
HOW PARTIES OPERATE OVERALL
SOMETIMES, BUT, THAT'S THE
SYSTEM.
>> AND YOU HAVE TO OPERATE IN
IT.
THE TIMING OF THIS TO ME, IS
THE --
>> SO WHILE YOU'RE HEARING IT
FROM THE DEMOCRAT, SOME OF THE

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REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, WELL,
SHE'S GOING TO BE A RHINO,
REPUBLICAN IN NAME HONE ONLY.
>> THEY SAY THATTANT A SOME OF
THE CAUCUS NOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW.
>> RIGHT.
>> DO MAYBE CURIOUS, DO YOU
AGREE WITH THE TRUMP AGENDA, PRO
MAGA MOVEMENT AND DO YOU SUPPORT
WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE

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PRESIDENT SO FAR?
>> THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT HIM AT ALL.
THIS IS ABOUT THE STATE OF
KENTUCKY.
I DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO
VOTE ON A LOT OF THAT.
AND ANY PRESIDENT, OF ANY PARTY,
I HAVE AM NOT GOING TO AGREE

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WITH ESPECIALLY AS A STATE
LEGISLATOR.
I HAVE STATE AUTONOMY.
I'M BIG ON MY INSTITUTION.
I'M BIG ON SEPARATION OF POWERS.
I'M CONSTITUTIONALIST.
I'M A CONSERVATIVE AND ALWAYS
HAVE BEEN.
WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTITUTION,
SO, YOU KNOW, NO, I DON'T AGREE
WITH EVERYTHING, THE PROCESS
PARTICULARLY.
NOW, SOME OF THE SUBJECT MATTER

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IN THIS AGREE WITH DOES
DOWNSIZING, MAYBE SHOULD HAVE
PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE
GOVERNMENT -- I MEAN, I DON'T
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOOKING AT
THAT.
PRESIDENT CLINTON DID THAT.
SO, THAT WAS BACK IN THE DAY.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK PARITY AND
EVERY ADMINISTRATION DOES IT TO
SOME DEGREE.
SO, BUT NO, THIS ISN'T ABOUT

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THAT AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT REALLY
NATIONAL AGENDA BECAUSE THAT'S
NOT WHAT I'M RUNNING FOR.
>> SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WONDERING
ABOUT MOTIVE.
WHAT'S IN IT FOR PEOPLE IN AND
WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU?
>> NOTHING.
>> I MEAN, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING
OFFERED TO ME.
I GOT A CHAIRMANSHIP OF A TASK
FORCE I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND
I HAVE EXPERTISE IN.
>> BUT THAT WAS BEFORE YOU
SWITCHED.
>> THAT WAS BEFORE AND GOING TO

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HAPPEN ANYWAY.
SO, THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
IT.
>> AND YOU HAD A CONVERSATION
ABOUT SWITCHING WHEN YOU GOT
THAT SAID TASK FORCE IN.
>> NO.
AND, SENATOR STIVERS SENT ME
PLACES ALL OVER THE WORLD, FLOOD
MITIGATION.
HE KNOWS MY BACKGROUND AND KNOWS
ME -- I'M, YOU KNOW, THE STATE

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SPENT MONEY WITH ME TO DO IT.
AND THAT WAS THE DEAL.
I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING.
I ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, A
DECENT -- AN OFFICE COMPARABLE
TO WHAT I HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW,
GOOD HELP.
BUT OWNERSHIP THAT, NOTHING WAS
OFFERED TO ME.
>> AND NO CHAIRMANSHIP.
>> OH, NO.
>> NO POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE LEADERSHIP POSITION.
>> NO, NO, NO.
NO.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY, THEY HAVE

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ALWAYS -- I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AT
THE TABLE.
I HAVE GOT THE COMMITTEES, SAME
COMMITTEES.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN ME MY
COMMITTEES.
MY BUDGET EXPERTISE, THEY HAVE
ALWAYS DEFERRED TO.
AND I HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL
PASSING BILLS BECAUSE I WORK
WELL ACROSS THE AISLE.
WHEN I WAS IN THE HOUSE WITH THE
SUPER MAJORITY.
I HAD REPUBLICAN CO-SPONSOR ON
ALMOST EVERY BILL.

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SO, I LOOKED A THIS LIKE, WE'RE
ALL IN THIS TOGETHER
REPRESENTING KENTUCKIANS AND
THAT'S -- I PUT MY BLINDERS ON
AND I WANT TO DO MY JOB.
>>
>> WITH WEBB'S DEFECTTION TO THE
GOP, REPUBLICANS WIDEN THEIR
SUPER MAJORITY IN THE STATE
SENATE TO 32 MEMBERS TO
DEMOCRATIC 6 AND THE 100 MEMBER
STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

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THERE ARE 80 REPUBLICANS AND 20
DEMOCRATS.
>> NOW, AS CONGRESS WORKS
THROUGH ITS BUDGET RESOLUTION,
KENTUCKY DEMOCRATS ARE
HIGHLIGHTING THE.
IMPACTS THE SO-CALLED BIG
BEAUTIFUL BILL.
CONGRESSMAN MORGAN McGARVEY
AND SPOKE ABOUT WHAT MEDICAID
CUTS COULD MEAN FOR WOMEN AND

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CHILDREN'S HEALTHCARE.
>> I HAVE A VERY EXTENSIVE
HISTORY OF BREAST CANCER IN MY
FAMILY.
I CHOSE TO HAVE A DOUBLE
MASTECTOMY FOR TWO REASONS.
I HAD THE PITTER-PATTER OF
THREE-YEAR-OLD FEET RUNNING
AROUND THE HOUSE.
SHE'S NOW FIVE, BUT I FELT LIKE
I OWED IT TO HER TO GIVE MYSELF
THE BEST CHANCE I COULD AT BEING

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HERE FOR HER AS LONG AS I COULD
BE.
AND I CAME OUT OF THIS CHAPTER
OF MY LIFE WITH AN EVEN GREATER
SENSE OF EMPATHY.
EMPATHY FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE VERY
SIMILAR STORIES, EMPATHY FOR
WOMEN WHO HAVE STORIES THAT I
CANNOT FATHOM, AND EMPATHY FOR
PATIENTS WHO NEED AND DESERVE

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ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE THAT WE
BELIEVE IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.
>> THE DISASTROUS BUDGET BILL
THAT PASSED THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES IS GOING TO HURT
KENTUCKIANS.
IT'S GOING TO HURT KENTUCKY
FAMILIES.
IT'S GOING TO HURT KENTUCKY
WOMEN.
IT'S GOING TO HURT KENTUCKY
CHILDREN.

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IN KENTUCKY, 48% OF BIRTHS ARE
COVERED BY MEDICAID.
JUST LOOK AROUND.
ONE OUT OF EVERY TWO CHILDREN
BORN IN KENTUCKY IS HERE BECAUSE
OF MEDICAID.
WHEN YOU CUT THAT AND THE
CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE SAYS
THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO LOSE THEIR HEALTH CARE

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COVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN
LOSING THEIR HEALTH CARE WHEN
THEY ARE PREGNANT.
GO FORWARD.
46% OF THE KIDS IN KENTUCKY HAVE
HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH
MEDICAID.
SO WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE, GREAT.
LET'S GET RID OF WASTE, FRAUD,
AND ABUSE.
HALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE
MEDICAID IN KENTUCKY WERE
CHILDREN.

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THEY DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN WORK
REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE KIDS.
>> ONE OF THE NASTY PROVISIONS
IN THIS BILL IS THAT IT CUTS ALL
MEDICAID FUNDING TO PLANNED
PARENTHOOD.
>> SOME ANTI-ABORTION LAWMAKERS
ARE PUSHING TO DEFUND PLANNED
PARENTHOOD.
BUT WE KNOW THIS ISN'T ABOUT
ABORTION.
MEDICAID DOESN'T EVEN COVER

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ABORTION.
AND HERE IN KENTUCKY, IT'S ALL
ABOUT CONTROL OVER BIRTH
CONTROL, CANCER SCREENINGS, STI
TESTING, GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE,
AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE
YOU'RE IN PAIN WHEN YOU SAY YOU
ARE.
>> NOT ONLY IS THIS CRUEL, IT
MISSES THE POINT OF WHAT PLANNED

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PARENTHOOD DOES.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD PROVIDES
BASIC HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR
WOMEN, AND IN PARTICULAR, WOMEN
WHO ALWAYS CAN'T AFFORD TO GET
HEALTH CARE OR SOME OTHER PLACE.
>> PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS TWO
CLINICS, IN LOUISVILLE AND
LEXINGTON.
IT LAUNCHED TELEHEALTH SERVICES
FOR KENTUCKIANS ACROSS THE

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COMMONWEALTH EARLIER THIS YEAR.
MORE THAN A THIRD OF PLANNED
PARENTHOOD'S KENTUCKY CLIENTS
HAVE MEDICAID.
ARE USING MEDICAID.
THOSE PROPOSED MEDICAID CUTS ARE
PART OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S
SO-CALLED BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.
AND THE PRESIDENT IS NOT HAPPY
WITH U.S. SENATOR RAND PAUL'S
CRITICISM OF THE BILL.

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SENATOR PAUL SAYS IT WILL ADD TO
THE NATIONAL DEBT AND IN
RESPONSE, THE PRESIDENT POSTED
THIS.
RAND PAUL HAS VERY LITTLE
UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIG
BEAUTIFUL BILL, ESPECIALLY THE
TREMENDOUS GROWTH THAT IS
COMING.
HE LOVES VOTING NO ON
EVERYTHING.
HE THINKS IT'S GOOD POLITICS,
BUT IT'S NOT.
THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL IS A BIG
WINNER.

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UNQUOTE.
NOW, BACK TO STATE POLITICS OR
STATE NEWS,
AS LAUREL COUNTY CONTINUES
HEALING FROM THE TORNADO A FEW
WEEKS AGO, ONE ASPECT OF THE
RECOVERY EFFORT IS ANIMAL
RESCUE.
KENTUCKY MUTTS ANIMAL RESCUE HAS
BEEN ON THE GROUND IN LONDON
HELPING TO REUNITE ANIMALS THAT
WERE LOST DURING THE STORMS AND
SUPPORTING THE PET OWNERS WHO
NOT ONLY HAVE TO CARE FOR
THEMSELVES BUT THEIR FURRY

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FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL.
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAYS THAT
THE AFTERMATH OF THE MAY 6 FOR
THAT IS UNLIKE ANYTHING HER TEAM
EXPERIENCED.
>> THE FIRST DAY, WE WERE IN ONE

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OF THE HARDEST HIT AREAS.
ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS LIVED
THERE.
AND SHE WAS KILLED.
SO WE WENT TO SUNSHINE HI HILLSD
FORCES IMMEDIATELY AND WORKING
WITH PEOPLE TO FIND MISSING
ANIMALS.
>> THERE IS A LITTLE GIRL ON
VACATION AND HER DOGS WERE

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ACTUALLY WITH HER GRANDPARENTS
HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED AND
THAT WAS THE FIRST DAY THEY WERE
THERE.
AND THE DOGS WERE ACTUALLY IN
THE RUBBLE.
WE STARTED MOVING STUFF, AND
HELPING THEM AND CARRYING STUFF
AND WE COULD HEAR -- HER NAME
WAS HANNAH.
SHE WAS A SHE WAS FOUND AT THE

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VERY BOTTOM UNDERNEATH THE
MATTRESS.
PRAISE GOD SHE WAS NOT HURT AND
NOTHING WRONG WITH HER AT ALL.
>> KENTUCKY MUTTS HELPED TO
REUNITE SEVERAL DOGS WITH
FAMILIES BUT THERE STILL A LOT
OF WORK TO BE DONE WITH ANIMALS
IN THE AREA.
>> WE HAVE SEVERAL MISSING THAT
WE'RE WORKING WITH TO TRAP.
THEY ARE TERRIFIED.
THE DOGS ARE TRAUMATIZED AND

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THEY ARE TERRIFIED.
SO, WE'RE STILL WORKING, WE'RE
STILL WORKING ON THAT AREA
THERE.
AND THERE IS LOTS OF CATS
MISSING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
WORK WITH, FORGOTTEN FELINES
WHICH IS THE CAT RESCUE LOCALLY
THAT WE PARTNER WITH.
AND, THEY ARE OUT THERE SETTING
TRAPS FOR THE CATS TOO.
>> FINDING MISSING ANIMAL JUST
ONE PART OF KENTUCKY MUTTS' WORK

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IN LAUREL COUNTY.
THEY ALSO TRANSFER SHELTER
ANIMALS OUT OF THE AREA AND INTO
FOSTER CARE IN ORDER TO MAKE
ROOM AT THE LOCAL SHELTERS FOR
THE STRAYS FOUND AFTER THE
STORM.
>> OUR COMMUNITIES CAME TOGETHER
IN A MAJOR WAY.
HEALTH AND WELLNESS, WE HAVE
PULLED DOGS FROM THE SHELTER TO
OPEN SPACE FOR THEM.
THEY ARE SEEING A LARGE INFLUX

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OF DOGS SO WE PULL AND OUR DOGS
ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE VET.
OUR VETS HAVE BEEN UP HERE AT
THE AIRPORT DURING FREE
MARKETSHIP AND RABIES RACK SINS
SO IT IS ALL OF US WORKING
TOGETHER.
>> KENTUCKY MUTTS HAS A TENT SET

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UP AT THE AIRPORT WHERE OPENERS
CAN PICK UP FREE SUPPLIES OR BIG
LOST DOGS TO HAVE THE MICROCHIPS
SCANNEDCH AND FOR THOSE WHO
CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE COMMAND
POST, THEY MAKE REGULAR
DELIVERIES TO THE COMMUNITIES.
>> WE HAVE FREE TICK MEDICINE
AND CRATES.
WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT COULD
POSSIBLY BE WANTED.
WE HAVE IT AND THEY NEED TO

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REACH OUT.
>> CROOK AND THEY ARE HER TEAM
SAY IT HAS BEEN HARD WORK BUT
SERVING THE LONDON COMMUNITY,
HUMAN AND ANIMAL, IS WORK WORTH
DOING.
>> IT IS LIKE WATCHING A MIRACLE
TO BE TRUTHFUL WITH YOU.
IT IS VERY REWARDING FOR US TO
BE ABLE TO REYOU FLIGHT PETS
WITH THEIR FAMILY AND EVERY LIFE
WE SEE SAVED, IT IS ABOUT HOPE,

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AND WE ALL NEED HOPE RIGHT NOW
WITH THIS, WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> KENTUCKY MUTTS ANIMAL RESCUE
CAN ALSO HELP PET OWNERS WITH
LONG-TERM CARE LIKE VETERINARY
SERVICES, AND EVEN TEMPORARY
FOSTER CARE WHILE FAMILIES GET
BACK ON THEIR FEET.
FOR "KENTUCKY EDITION."
>> THANK YOU.
KENTUCKY MUTTS SAYS THE MOST IN

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DEMAND DONATION ITEMS ARE FLEA
AND TICK MEDICATION AS WELL AS
PET FOOD.
>> LAST YEAR, WE LAUNCHED AN
INITIATIVE CALLED, THE NEXT
CHAPTER.
FOCUSING ON THE REWARDS AND
CHALLENGES OF GROWING OLDER.
AS PART OF THAT INITIATIVE,
WE'RE BRINGING YOU A SEGMENT
OCCASIONALLY, THAT WE CALL,
THRIVERS.
A CELEBRATION OF OLDER
KENTUCKIANS WHO ARE CHALLENGING

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THE IDEA OF
AGING AND RETIREMENT IN THEIR
NEXT SEASON OF LIFE, LIKE
YOU CAN CALL IT REWIREMENT
INSTEAD OF RETIREMENT.
THAT'S WHY,
93-YEAR-OLD JOHN ROSENBERG AND
HIS WIFE JEAN ROSENBERG.
THE TWO ARRIVED IN FLOYD COUNTY
MORE THAN 50 YEARS AGO,
DRAWN BY THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE

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A DIFFERENCE OVER THE LAST FIVE
DECADES.
>> IT IS UNLIKELY THAT YOU'LL
FIND ANYONE IN THE CITY WHO
DOESN'T KNOW JOHN AND JEAN OR
HASN'T BEEN IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR
INDIRECTLY BY THE WORK THEY HAVE
DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
MARRIED FOR 58 YEAR, THEIRS IS A
PARTNERSHIP CENTERED AROUND
SERVING OTHERS.
>> WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE

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THAT OUR VALUES ARE PART OF OUR
RELATIONSHIP.
>> I'M JEWISH.
JEAN IS A QUAKER.
JUDAISM, ASKS YOU TO TRY TO DO
WHAT YOU CAN TO REPAIR THE
WORLD.
BUT THAT'S JUSTICE, AND, TAKING
CARE OF THOSE ORPHANED, AND A

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STRANGER AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
AROUND YOU.
BUT, THAT'S PART OF YOUR LIFE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS
ANYTHING EXTRAORDINARY.
>> YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE
WORLD THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.
AND YOU GET █ENGAGED IN COMMUNIY
ACTIVITIES.
AND BEING MARRIED TO JOHN
ROSENBERG HAS NEVER -- I NEVER

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HAVE TO WORRY THAT THERE WON'T
BE SOMETHING TO DO NEXT DAY.
>> FOR JOHN, A LIFE DEDICATED TO
HELPING OTHERS WAS SHAPED BY TWO
EXPERIENCES:
THE FIRST AS A CHILD IN GERMANY,
WHERE HE AND HIS PARENTS WERE
TAKEN BY NAZIS FROM THEIR HOME
TO A COURTYARD, FORCED TO WATCH
SCRIPTURES BURN AND THE
SYNAGOGUE BLOW UP.
AFTER SPENDING A YEAR IN AN

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INTERNMENT CAMP, THE FAMILY LED
FLED TO THE U.S.
>> THE FAMILY, MY FATHER AND
MOTHER VALUED SO MUCH COMING TO
THIS COUNTRY THAT WE WERE ABLE
TO BE HERE.
AND TO FIND A HOME IN NORTH
CAROLINA AND THEN, WHATEVER
OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD TO MAKE

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LIFE BETTER FOR OUR NEIGHBORS
AND THE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE
HAPPENED TO BE LIVING.
>> JOHN ALSO SERVED HIS COUNTRY
AS AN OFFICER IN THE U.S. AIR
FORCE.
HE SAYS IT WAS ON A TRIP HOME
FROM ENGLAND WHERE WITH ANOTHER
OFFICER WHO WAS BLACK THAT WOULD
EVENLY SET HIM ON THE PATH TO
BECOME A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER.
>> WE GOT TO WASHINGTON D.C., HE

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SAID THAT HE WOULD SEE ME AGAIN
WHEN WE GOT TO ENGLAND.
AND I SAID, WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
AND HE SAID, WELL, I HAVE TO GO
BACK OF THE TRAIN WHERE THE
BLACKS SIT.
AND IT WAS A VERY IMPACTFUL
INCIDENT, I THINK, IN MY LIFE.
I THINK IN A MAJOR WAY HELPED ME

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TO REALIZE WHEN I ENDED UP GOING
TO LAW SCHOOL THAT I WANTED TO
TRY TO WORK IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS
DIVISION AND EVENTUALLY, I WAS
ABLE TO DO THAT AND GET A JOB IN
1962.
>> JOHN AND JEAN WORKED TOGETHER
ON CASES INVOLVING VOTING RIGHTS
AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE

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VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965.
>> AND WE WERE WE WORKED VERY
LONG HOURS, AND WE -- IT WAS NOT
EASY.
AND WE GET TO KNOW A PERSON, AND
I ENJOYED BEING WITH JOHN.
CO-ALWAYS MAKE A SITUATION -- HE
COULD ALWAYS MAKE A SITUATION,
HE WOULD ALWAYS MAKE ME LAUGH
AND I LOOKED FORWARD TO TELLING
HIM WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY

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WORLD.
AND IT GOT CLOSER AND CLOSER.
SEEMED VERY NATURAL.
>> I MADE OMELETS.
>> HE WAS ONE OF FEW FELLOWS
THAT I KNOW WHO HAD FOOD IN
THEIR REFRIGERATOR.
>> THEY MARRIED AND IN 1970,
LEFT THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION.
>> OUR SON MICHAEL WAS BORN IN

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1970, THE BEGINNING OF '70.
AND THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION
CAME IN AND WE, LOOKED LIKE THEY
WERE GOING TO BACK OFF ON SCHOOL
DESEGREGATION SO WE DECIDED,
PRETTY MUCH TO LEAVE THE
DIVISION IN THE SUMMER AND GO ON
A BIG CAMPING TRIP.
>> DURING TRIP, JOHN GOT A CALL
FROM A FORMER DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE COLLEAGUE THAT WOULD

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TAKE THEIR LIVES IN A NEW
DIRECTION, TO A COMMUNITY THEY
WOULD END UP CALLING HOME.
>> PRESTONSBURG.
>> AND MY FRIEND SAID, WHY YOU
DON'T STOP IN CHARLESTON AND
THEY NEED SOMEONE TO RUN THIS
SERVICES PROGRAM, A NEW DIRECTOR
IN KENTUCKY.
>> JOHN OPENED THE APPALACHIAN
RESEARCH AND DEFENSE FUND KNOWN

(21:59):
AS APPLE RED OFFERING FREE LEGAL
SERVICES TO LOW-INCOME PEOPLE IN
THE REGION.
JOHN SAID, IT TOOK A WHILE FOR
THE COMMUNITY TO ACCEPT HIM.
>> AND SO, WHEN WE MOVED AND
FIRST STARTED THIS ORGANIZATION,
THERE WAS A LOT OF ANIMOSITY SO
IT WAS HARD.
BUT OVER TIME, PEOPLE SAW THAT,
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS HELP.

(22:21):
APPLE RED OPERATED FOR MORE THAN
55 YEAR, EXPANDING TO 37
COUNTIES AND HELPING THOUSANDS.
JOHN RETIRED FROM THE
ORGANIZATION IN 2001 AT THE AGE
OF 70.
>> I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY,
THE MARK THAT I HAD LOOKED AT
WAS, I WAS STILL -- I ENJOYED
WHAT I WAS DOING, BUT, IT SEEMED

(22:43):
LIKE A GOOD TIME TO STOP AND
HAVE THEM BRING IN SOMEBODY ELSE
WHO WAS NEW.
>> BUT ANOTHER OFFER KEPT HIM
WORKING AFTER RETIREMENT.
>> I FELT VERY PROUD TO BE A
LAWYER IN KENTUCKY.
I ENJOYED PRACTICING LAW.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
AND, TO DO THAT.
AND ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE

(23:04):
WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING ME WORK
WITH THEM PART TIME ON THE
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ELDERLY WORK,
SO I COULD KEEP DOING LEGAL WORK
AS LONG AS I I WANTED TO DO IT.
AND I HAD TWO OTHER APPLE RED
LAWYERS AND WE STARTED IN A
SMALL OFFICE IN PRESTONSBURG.
FIRST YEAR, WE CALLED IT THE

(23:25):
APPALACHIAN CITIZENS LAW CENTER
JEAN ROSENBURG HAS ALSO FOUND
SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE
THE COMMUNITY.
SHE FOUNDED THE FLOYD COUNTY
MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM, STARTED
A PROGRAM TO SUPPORT SINGLE
MOTHERS ATTENDING THE BIG SANDY
COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE
AND INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING A
SMOKE-FREE ORDINANCE PASSED IN
PRESTONSBURG.
SHE ALSO ESTABLISHED CHILD BIRTH

(23:47):
PREPARATION CLASSES.
THE RESULT OF WHICH THE
ROSENBURGS SAY THEY STILL SEE
TODAY.
>> WE STARTED THIS NON-PROFIT
CALLED THE BIG SANDY FAMILY
CHILD BIRTH EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION.
ONLY A LAWYER WOULD COME UP WITH
THAT NAME.
>> SO THEN, WE HAD THESE ANNUAL
GET TOGETHERS OF THE PARENTS AND

(24:07):
TODAY, WHEN I GO WITH JEAN, WITH
LETTER SHOPPING, SOMEONE WILL
SAY, JEAN, LOOK, REMEMBER THAT
LITTLE BABY THAT YOU TAUGHT US
ABOUT?
HERE IS A 6-6 GUY GETTING
GROCERIES OFF THE SHELF 20 YEAR,
30 YEARS LATER.
>> EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE SAME
COMMUNITY HAS WAS ONCE UNSURE

(24:28):
ABOUT THEM HONORED THEM FOR
THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS BY NAMING A
NEW TOWN SQUARE AFTER THEM.
>> IT WAS A LOVELY GESTURE.
I MEAN, I'M SURPRISED.
BUT IT WAS A LOVELY THOUGHT, AND
THEY -- THESE THREE WOMEN AND
THE WAY THEY DECORATED AND IT
WHAT THEY DID, AND NOW IT IS A
NICE PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO BRING

(24:50):
THEIR CHILDREN AND PLAY WITH
THOSE BIG CHESS PIECES, THAT
SORT OF THING.
>> AS FOR LEGACY.
>> I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE MY
LEGACY TO BE A SENSE OF
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO HAVE A
SENSE OF COMMUNITY IN MANY
FORMS.
>> AND HAVE A GROUP CALLED THE
ROSENBERG CIRCLE WHICH, WE

(25:10):
DIDN'T INVENT BUT IT IS A
WONDERFUL IDEA.
THE IDEA OF KEEPING THAT
ORGANIZATION GOING AS PROVIDING
LEGAL SERVICES TO THE POOR, I
THINK, JUSTICE IS IMPORTANT,
JUSTICE ACROSS THE BOARD.
>> THEY ARE TREMENDOUS COUPLE
INDEED.

(25:32):
JOHN AND JEAN RECEIVED NUMEROUS
AWARD FOR COMMUNITY WORK AS YOU
CAN IMAGINE.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY ARE
MOST PROUD OF, THE EAST KENTUCKY
SCIENCE CENTER AND PLANETARIUM
IN PRESTONSBURG WHICH THE TWO OF
THEM HELPED TO FOUND.
THE CENTER SERVED AS A HUB OF
STEM EDUCATION IN EASTERN
KENTUCKY.

(25:53):
FOR MORE ON HOW TO THRIVE AS WE
THRIVE AS WE AGE AND FOR AGING
RESOURCES, LOG ON TO
KET.ORG/THENEXTCHAPTER.
THERE YOU WILL FIND A VARIETY OF
AGING-RELATED TOPICS AND OTHER
HELPFUL RESOURCES.
SO CHECK IT OUT.

(26:15):
>> VOTERS IN KENTUCKY'S SIXTH
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WILL BE
ELECTING A NEW MEMBER OF
CONGRESS IN 2026 AS INCUMBENT
ANDY BARR RUNS FOR THE U.S.
SENATE.
FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE
AND DEMOCRAT
CHERLYNN STEVENSON IS ALREADY
RUNNING.
TWO MORE CANDIDATES WILL
OFFICIALLY ENTER THE RACE
TONIGHT AND TOMORROW.
YOU'LL HEAR FROM BOTH OF THEM
TOMORROW ON KENTUCKY EDITION.

(26:35):
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