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September 12, 2025 26 mins
Governor Beshear says we need to think about the political atmosphere in America today after fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie, the Kentucky Supreme Court hears arguments that will help them decide the fate of charter schools in the state, and farmers and scientists from around the world attending 5th International Pawpaw conference at Kentucky State University. 
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[♪♪]
>> YOU CAN'T FAN THE FLAMES AND
CONDEMN THE FIRE.

>> Renee (00:12):
GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR
TALKS ABOUT THE CHARLIE KIRK
SHOOTING AND THE TONE OF TODAY'S
POLITICS.
>> WE TALK ABOUT POST-SECONDARY
READINESS BUT WE WANT
POST-SECONDARY SUCCESS.
VIRTUAL REALITY ALLOWS
STUDENTS TO TAKE FIELD TRIPS IN
THE CLASSROOMS.
>> IT IS A VICAR TALL FRUIT AND
THAT WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT

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FOR THE NEW OPPORTUNITIES.
THE SO-CALLED KENTUCKY
BANANA IS ON DISPLAY THIS WEEK
AT A PAW PAW POW-WOW.
>> I KNEW I WANTED TO BE A
WRITER AND A STORYTELLER BUT I
DIDN'T KNOW A POET.
ONE OF KENTUCKY'S BEST
WE'LL TALKING ABOUT MAKING ART

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WITH WORDS.
>> PRODUCTION OF "KENTUCKY
EDITION" IS MADE IN PART BY THE
KET MILLENNIUM FUND.
[♪♪]

(01:14):
GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY EDITION"
FOR THIS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER THE
11TH.
I'M RENEE SHAW.
WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING
US THIS EVENING.
>>> TODAY IS PATRIOT DAY.
THE HOLIDAY INSPIRED BY THE
EVENTS OF 24 YEARS AGO.
IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH YOU WILL
NEVER FORGET THE TERRORIST
ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER THE 11TH

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2001.
THERE WERE CEREMONIES THROUGHOUT
AMERICA TODAY AND IN KENTUCKY.
DURING GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR'S
WEEKLY NEWS CONFERENCE WE HEARD
FROM CHIEF JASON WELLS OF THE
LEXINGTON FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> IN THE FIRE SERVICE AND
ACROSS OUR NATION, WE HOLD FAST

TO TWO WORDS (01:50):
NEVER FORGET.
THAT IS OUR PROMISE.
TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THE
SACRIFICES MADE ON SEPTEMBER
11th, 2001.
TODAY, WE MAKE GOOD ON AT THAT
TIME PROMISE.
343 FIREFIGHTERS, 441 TOTAL

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FIRST-RESPONDERS, 2977 SOULS
LOST.
EACH ONE WE REMEMBER TODAY.
WE ALSO REMEMBER THE THOUSANDS
OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES PROTECTING US IN THE
WAR ON TERROR.
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET THEIR
HONOR, THEIR COURAGE OR ULTIMATE
SACRIFICE.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU

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THAT TOMORROW MARKS THE 24TH
ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 12TH.
IF SEPTEMBER 11th REVEALED
THE WORST OF HUMANITY, SEPTEMBER
12TH REVEALED THE VERY BEST OF
US.
OUR UNITY, RESOLVE AND OUR
SHARED STRENGTH.
IN THE DAYS, THE WEEKS AND
MONTHS AFTER 9/11 WE WERE

(02:54):
REMINDED WHAT UNITES US IS
ALWAYS GREATER THAN THAT WHICH
DIVIDES US.

>> Renee (03:00):
GOVERNOR BESHEAR
TALKED ABOUT 9/11 AND ALSO ABOUT
THE SHOOTING DEATH YESTERDAY OF
CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST CHARLIE
KIRK IN UTAH.
THE GOVERNOR CONDEMNED THE
SHOOTING AND SAID WE NEED TO
THINK ABOUT THE POLITICAL
ATMOSPHERE IN AMERICA TODAY.
>> WE HAVE SEEN WIDESPREAD
CONDEMNATION AND WE HAVE TO SEE

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IT HAPPENING NOT JUST WHEN THERE
IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE BUT WHEN
PEOPLE'S RHETORIC CAN CREATE
VIOLENCE.
YOU CANNOT FAN THE FLAMES AND
CONDEMN THE FIRE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS LEADERS
OFFER EVERY SIDE CONDEMNING THE
TYPE OF SPEECH THAT JUST GOES
TOO FAR.
THAT SUGGESTS THAT ONE GROUP OF

(03:42):
PEOPLE AREN'T AMERICAN OR DON'T
DESERVE TO BE HERE OR INSIGHTS
VIOLENCE AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SPEAK OUT
AGAINST ALL OF THAT.
HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH I ALSO
THINK WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE
TOOLS THAT OTHER STATES HAVE TO
PREVENT WHETHER IT IS AN ACT
LIKE THIS OR CERTAINLY SOME OF
THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS WE'VE SEEN

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AND IT IS A RED FLAG LAW.
A RED FLAG LAW ALLOWS LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO GO TO THE COURTS
WHEN THEY KNOW SOMEBODY IS ABOUT
TO COMMIT MURDER AND HOPEFULLY
STOP IT BEFORE IT STARTS.
CONGRESSMAN THOMAS
MASSIE A REPUBLICAN FROM
KENTUCKY'S FOURTH DISTRICT SAYS
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF
THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDS TO TONE
DOWN HIS RHETORIC AFTER THE KIRK

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SHOOTING.
ACCORDING TO THE HILL WEBSITE
MASSIE POINTED OUT THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED IT QUOTE
A HOSTILE ACT FROM MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS TO BACK A BILL TO
RELEASE THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN
FILES.
>>> THE GOVERNOR ORDERED FLAGS
LOWERED TO HALF-STAFF AT STATE
BUILDINGS FOR THE SEPTEMBER
11th ANNIVERSARY AND THEY
WILL REMAIN AT HALF-STAFF

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THROUGH SUNDAY OUT OF RESPECT
FOR CHARLIE KIRK.
>>> THE KENTUCKY DEMOCRATIC
PARTY CHAIR COLENE ELRIDGE
RELEASED THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT
QUOTE SAYING NO AMERICAN
DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN SHOULD
LIVE IN FEAR OF BECOMING A
TARGET BASED ON WHAT THEY
BELIEVE OR HOW THEY VOTE.
OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE

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WITH CHARLIE KIRK'S FAMILY AND
WITH THE STUDENTS AND STAFF
IMPACTED BY THE SENSELESS
EVENTS.
END QUOTE.
>>> IN OTHER NEWS, A LAW
LEGALIZING CHARTER SCHOOLS
BECAME LAW IN 2017 IN KENTUCKY.
BUT A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THEM
CAME FIVE YEARS LATER AND LEGAL
CHALLENGES BLOCKED THOSE SCHOOLS
FROM RECEIVING PUBLIC DOLLARS.

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TODAY, THE KENTUCKY SUPREME
COURT HEARD ARGUMENTS THAT WILL
HELP THEM DECIDE THE FATE OF
CHARTER SCHOOLS IN OUR STATE.
OUR JUNE LEFFLER HAS MORE.
>> KENTUCKY'S ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE DEFENDED HOUSE BILL 9,
KENTUCKY'S CHARTER SCHOOL LAW.
THE APPELLANTS DEBATED IF
CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE GOOD FOR ALL

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KENTUCKY STUDENTS.
>> I'VE HEARD THAT CHARTER
SCHOOLS ARE DOING WELL BUT I
DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED TO
THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT ARE LEFT
BEHIND OR THE STUDENTS THAT
DON'T HIT THE WATER.
>> LET'S SAY WE HAVE A THRIVING
PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL SETUP IN
KENTUCKY WHICH I HOPE WE WILL
HAVE.
AND PARENTS SELECT PUBLIC
CHARTER SCHOOLS FOR THEIR
CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY THINK IT

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IS MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THEIR
CHILDREN THAT WILL PROVIDE AN
INCENTIVE FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS
ALSO TO DO EVEN BETTER.
>> BUT THE COURT'S NEWEST
JUSTICE ASKS NOT IF CHARTER
SCHOOLS ARE GOOD BUT IF THEY ARE
CONSTITUTIONAL CONSIDERING
KENTUCKY VOTERS' REJECTION OF
AMENDMENT 2 WHICH WOULD HAVE

(06:31):
CHANGED THE STATE CONSTITUTION
TO ALLOW PUBLIC DOLLARS TO GO TO
PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
>> LET ME ASK THE MILLION DOLLAR

QUESTION (06:38):
A MAJORITY OF VOTERS
IN EVERY COUNTY VOTED AGAINST
THE AMENDMENT.
SHOULD THAT IMPACT OUR DECISION?
OR SHOULD WE JUST IGNORE THE
NEARLY TWO-THIRDS OF THE VOTERS
WHO DO NOT WISH TO HAVE TAXPAYER
FUNDS USED IN THIS MANNER?
>> YOUR HONOR I DISAGREE WITH
THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
YOU SAID IN THIS MANNER.

(06:58):
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE REFERENDUM,
THE REFERENDUM ASKED WHETHER THE
PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY SUPPORTED THE
IDEA OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
APPROPRIATEIATING FOR MONEY FOR
WILL SCHOOLS OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM
OF COMMON SCHOOLS.
WE ARE NOT OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM OF
COMMON SCHOOLS.
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INDIFFERENT
TO THAT REFERENDUM.

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PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE FULLY
WITHIN THE CONCEPT OF A COMMON
SCHOOL.
>> CHARTER SCHOOLS ACCORDING TO
STATE LAW ARE TUITION FREE
SCHOOLS OPEN TO ALL STUDENTS
REGULATED BY THE STATE THOSE NOT
TO THE SAME EXTENT AS PUBLIC
SCHOOLS.
BUT THEY ARE GOVERNED
DIFFERENTLY THIS LAWYER SAYS.

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THE KENTUCKY COUNCIL FOR BETTER
EDUCATION WON A LOWER COURT
DECISION IN THIS CASE.
>> THE PUBLIC CASE, THE SURE
REGARD CASE IN THE 40s HAVE
CONSISTENTLY REITERATED THE TEST
FOR COMMON SCHOOLS IS WHETHER
THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY ELECTED
OFFICIALS WITHIN A SCHOOL
DISTRICT.
NOT CONTROLLED BY A GROUP OF

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PARENTS WHO WANT TO SEE THEIR
KIDS DO WELL.
I HOPE ALL PARENTS WANT TO SEE
THEIR KIDS DO WELL.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
>> PARENTS OR THE PUBLIC ARE
PAYING THE TAXES HAVE NO CONTROL
OVER WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE, DO
THEY?
>> THAT CORRECT.
>> WE WILL BE PAYING THE TAXES
THROUGH OUR PROPERTY ASSESSMENT
TAXES THAT WE PAY NOW BUT WE

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WILL HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER WHO
ADMINISTERS THE CHARTER SCHOOLS?
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> WHAT WILL CONTROL THAT?
THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR A
CHARTER SCHOOL WOULD BE ITS
INDEPENDENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
INDEPENDENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
NONE OF WHOM HAVE STOOD FOR
ELECTION.
>> A STATE ATTORNEY RESPONDED

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SAYING TRUSTEES NOT SCHOOL
BOARDS IS THE TERM USED IN
RELEVANT CASE LAW.
IT IS UNCLEAR WHEN THE COURT
WILL DECIDE ON THIS MATTER.
FOR "KENTUCKY EDITION" I'M JUNE
LEFFLER.

>> Renee (08:53):
THANK YOU, JUNE.
AND YOU CAN SEE TODAY'S ENTIRE
ORAL ARGUMENTS ABOUT THIS
MEASURE ON-LINE AT KET.ORG.
>>> IN OTHER NEWS, KENTUCKY IS
ABOUT TO GET $700,000 TO HELP
WITH OPIOID ADDICTION TREATMENT.
MONEY IS FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO THE STATE OPIOID
RESPONSE GRANT PROGRAM.
IT WILL BE USED TO EXPAND THE
RECOVERY HOUSING PROGRAM.

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IT HELPS PEOPLE RECOVERING FROM
ADDICTION AS THEY GO THROUGH
REHABILITATION AND REENTER THE
WORKFORCE.
U.S. SENATOR MITCH McCONNELL
PUT OUT A STATEMENT TODAY ABOUT
THE MONEY SAYING QUOTE THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT IS YET ANOTHER STEP
IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION GIVING
OUR COMMUNITIES MUCH-NEEDED
ASSISTANCE IN TRANSITIONAL
HOUSING AND CONTINUING TO HELP

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OUR YOUTH GET THEIR LIVES BACK
ON TRACK.
END QUOTE.
>>> U.S. SENATOR RAND PAUL OF
KENTUCKY IS AGAIN CRITICIZING
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S ORDER
TO ATTACK A BOAT FROM VENEZUELA
ON SEPTEMBER 2.
11 PEOPLE DIED.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THE BOAT WAS
CARRYING DRUGS.
SENATOR PAUL SAYS WE CANNOT BE
THE WORLD'S POLICEMEN AND THAT

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INNOCENT PEOPLE COULD BECOME
VICTIMS.
>> REALIZE THAT OFF OF MIAMI A
DOZEN SHIPS THEREBY INTERDICTED
TODAY, STOPPED, BOARDED AND
SEARCHES.
SOME WILL HAVE DRUGS AND THE
REASON WE BOARD THEM BECAUSE
SOME DON'T HAVE DRUGS.
THIS IS HOW PEOPLE DON'T GET
THIS.
LET'S SAY THERE IS A HOUSE IN

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YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY ARE
ALL SELLING FENTANYL TONIGHT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE DYING
AND YOU ARE SO MAD DO YOU GO
THERE AND KILL THEM?
NO YOU GO TO A JUDGE AND GET A
WARRANT AND DO THAT.
PAUL SPOKE LAST NIGHT
ON THE "FOX NEWS" CHANNEL.
>>> KENTUCKY'S DROUGHT PROBLEMS
CONTINUE.
LET'S LOOK AT THE LATEST MAP

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FROM THE U.S. DROUGHT MONITOR
THIS MAP WAS COMPLETED TUESDAY
AND RELEASED TODAY.
THE YELLOW IS ABNORMALLY DRY.
THE LIGHT ORANGE IS MODERATE
DROUGHT AND AS YOU CAN SEE PARTS
OF WESTERN KENTUCKY ARE NOW A
DARKER ORANGE THAT MEANS THE
AREA IS IN A SEVERE DROUGHT.
THERE ARE BURN BANS NOW IN 37 OF
KENTUCKY'S 120 COUNTIES.

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CHECK WITH YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT
OR COUNTY JUDGE EXECUTIVE'S
OFFICE TO SEE IF YOU ARE ON THE
LIST.
DURING A BURN BAN PEOPLE ARE
PROHIBITED FROM BURNING GRASS,
LEAVES AND TRASH, OPEN PIT
COOKING AND CHARCOAL GRILLING
ARE BANNED WITH CAMP FIRES AND
BONFIRES.
[♪♪]

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STUDENTS ACROSS
KENTUCKY HAVE BEEN EXPLORING
CAREER PATHWAYS THROUGH VIRTUAL
REALITY.
BUT NOT ALL STUDENTS HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO FULLY EXPERIENCE THE
TECHNOLOGY UNTIL NOW.
THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION'S OFFICE OF SPECIAL
EDUCATION AND EARLY LEARNING IS
OPENED THREE AREA TECHNOLOGY
CENTERS THAT LET STUDENTS CAN
DISABILITIES EXPERIENCE

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DIFFERENT CAREER SETTINGS.
IN TODAY'S EDUCATION MATTERS
SEGMENT WE VISITED ONE OF THOSE
CENTERS LOCATED IN WAYNE COUNTY.
>> THIS REALLY CAME ABOUT
THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN
AND THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
IT WAS OUR OFFICE OF SPECIAL
EDUCATION AND EARLY LEARNING
THAT UNDERSTOOD A LOT OF THE

(12:16):
CHALLENGES THAT EXISTED FOR ALL
STUDENTS, INCLUDING STUDENTS
WITH DISABILITIES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
WERE CHALLENGED TO DO IS TO
ADDRESS THAT IMPACT THAT THE
PANDEMIC HAD ON SUPPORTING
STUDENTS WITH DISBITS AND
TRANSITIONING IN POST SCHOOL
ENVIRONMENTS LIKE COLLEGE OR

(12:36):
CAREER OR INDEPENDENT LIVING
ENVIRONMENTS.
>> I DO HAVE STUDENTS THAT HAVE
IEP'S.
AND SO IT IS GOOD FOR SOME OF
THOSE STUDENTS BECAUSE IT MAY
GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO
SOMETHING THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE
TO OR EXPERIENCES THEY MAY NOT
EXPERIENCE IN LIFE.
>> WE ARE CURRENTLY ABLE TO
OFFER STUDENTS AT 100 DIFFERENT

(12:57):
EXPERIENCES INCLUDING THREE
CUSTOMIZED EXPERIENCES THAT ARE
UNIQUE TO KENTUCKY.
BUT JUST TO NAME A FEW, STUDENTS
CAN TRANSPORT THEMSELVES IN AN
IMMERSIVE WAY ON TOP OF A WIND
TURBINE.
OR THEY COULD SEE THEMSELVES AND
EXPERIENCE LIFE WITHIN THE
CAREER FIELD OF A 911 CALL

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OPERATOR.
>> THERE IS A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITIES ON THERE THAT THE
STUDENTS WILL NOT SEE ON A
DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
EVEN THINGS LOCATED IN THIS
COUNTY THEY MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS
UNTIL THEY ARE HIRED INTO A
FACILITY OR TAKE A JOB AND IT
MAY NOT BE WHAT THEY WERE
EXPECTING.
IT GIVES THEM INSIGHT INTO THE
FIELD.
>> THROUGH THE ART I HAVE BEEN

(13:40):
ABLE TO LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT SO
MANY JOBS WITHIN THE FIELD
BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL
MAINTENANCE FIELD IS A VAST OPEN
FIELD.
YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICIANS THAT
WORK ON HOUSES, PEOPLE WORK IN
FACTORIES FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME I
HAD NO IDEA WHAT WEDDING HOW IT
WORK OR WHAT IT DID.
GETTING ON TO THE VR IT SHOWED

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ME THIS IS SORT OF WHAT TO
EXPECT.
IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
WE DO AS IN THERE IS A LOT MORE
HEAT AND SPARKS AND JUST IT'S
DIFFERENT.
BUT IT'S LIKE OKAY, I KNOW THE
BASICS.
I KNOW I NEED TO MOVE MY ROD AT
THIS ANGLE.
IT'S REALLY NEAT.
>> THEY LOVE IT.

(14:22):
IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IT'S OUT OF THE NORM.
IT IS QUITE A CREATIVE
EXPERIENCE AND HONESTLY WE ARE
LETTING KIDS SEE THINGS THAT
THEY PROBABLY NEVER GET TO SEE
IN REAL-LIFE.
>> IT GIVES THE STUDENTS
CONFIDENCE IN WHAT THEY ARE
GOING TO DO.
I KNOW OTHER CLASSES CAN LOOK AT
DIFFERENT CAREERS.
AND TO FOR THEM IT'S LIKE SEE

(14:46):
WHAT SOMEONE WOULD SEE IN THAT
IT GIVES THEM CONFIDENCE IN
MAKING A DECISION.
>> AND THROUGH THE VR I HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO PRACTICE SKILLS
THAT I USE IN THE LAB THAT I CAN
PRACTICE ON VR BUT I HAVE TO DO
IT FOR A TEST.
IT IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET
THAT EXTRA PRACTICE.
>> JUST HELPING KIDS FIND THEIR
WAY IN LIFE.

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YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY DO THE
EXPERIENCE AND THEY SAY NO, I'M
OUT.
NO, THAT'S' NOT FOR ME.
THAT IS STILL POSITIVE BECAUSE
THEY MOVE IN A DIRECTION.
>> WE WANT POST-SECONDARY
SUCCESS FOR ALL STUDENTS
INCLUDING STUDENTS WITH

(15:30):
DISABILITYINGS.
WHAT IMMERSIVE VIRTUAL REALITY
ALLOWS US TO INFORM STUDENTS TO
WHAT IS OUT THERE THERE MIGHT BE
OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND THER
IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY OR WITHIN
THEIR IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY BUT
HAVING STUDENTS UNDERSTAND THE
ABUNDANCE OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT
ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM IN THEIR
LIFE.
AND HELP THEM REALIZE THAT THEY

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CAN ACHIEVE THOSE CAREER GOALS.
STUDENTS CAN TAKE PART
IN THREE VIRTUAL EXPERIENCES
FROM KENTUCKY.
CONNELLY BOTTOM RESORT, CLEARY
CONSTRUCTION IN TOMPKINSVILLE
AND EN GRAHAM BARGE IN PADUCAH.
ENGRAM BARGE IN PADUCAH.

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[♪♪]
AND THAT'S MON CELLO.
THE PAW PAW TRUTH WAS IN THE POT
LIGHT WHEN ALE 8 RELEASED A
LIMITED EDITION OF PAW PAW
FLAVORED GINGER ALE BUT KENTUCKY
STATE UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN
STUDYING THE FRUIT FOR 25 YEARS.
THIS WEEK, THE SCHOOL HOSTED THE
FIFTH INTERNATIONAL PAW PAW

(16:36):
CONFERENCE BRINGING TOGETHER
FARMERS AND SCIENTISTS FROM
AROUND THE WORLD TO SHARE THEIR
KNOWLEDGE ON THIS UNIQUE
KENTUCKY NATIVE FRUIT.
>> KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY HAS
BEEN WORKING WITH PAW PAW AS AN
ALTERNATIVE CROP FOR KENTUCKY
GROWERS FOR A LONGTIME.
BUT PAW PAW HAS GOTTEN LARGER
AND IT'S GROWN ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES AND INTERNATIONALLY NOW.

(16:58):
SO THERE ARE PEOPLE GROWING IT.
IT IS A VERY INTERESTING
TROPICAL LIKE FRUIT WITH A
MANGO, BANANA PINEAPPLE FLAVOR
IT'S CAPTURED THE INTEREST OF A
LOT OF PEOPLE.
THE CONFERENCE IS HELD TO BRING
TOGETHER FOLKS FROM AROUND THE
INDUSTRY, NURSERY MEN, GROWERS

(17:19):
AND SCIENTISTS TO MEET AND
EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND IDEAS
ABOUT PAW PAW.
THERE IS A LOT THAT HAPPENED TO
PAW PAW OVER THE LAST NINE YEARS
SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
SO IT'S BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
FOR FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT THE
ADVANCEMENTS.
IN PAW PAW LIKE IN APPLES
THERE'S DIFFERENT NAMED VA
RIGHTS OF APPLES WE HAVE

(17:41):
DIFFERENT PAW PAW.
KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY IS
RELEASING TWO NEW VARIETIES THIS
YEAR.
FARMERS ARE LOOKING FOR THAT
NEXT CROP TO GROW AND MAKE MONEY
ON.
HERE AT KENTUCKY STATE WE ARE
TRYING TO COME UP WITH NEW CROPS
AND PRODUCTION SYSTEMS SO THE
FARMERS CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO
MAKE MONEY ON.
IT IS AN EVERCHANGING MARKET.

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THE GROWER BASE WE HAVE 93
GROWERS OUR COMMERCIAL FARMERS
ARE GROWING PAW PAW MOST ARE
SMALL AND GROWING A FEW PAW
PAWS.
AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THE
GROWER PACE WE'LL SEE MORE
PRODUCTS COME ON-LINE AS THE
SUPPLY INCREASES.

(18:23):
ENJOYED THAT RELATIONSHIP AND I
THINK THAT IS GOTTEN A LOT OF
INTEREST FOR PEOPLE NOT HEARD
ABOUT PAW PAW BEFORE THEY GOT TO
TASTE THAT FLAVOR AND REALIZE
HOW GOOD IT IS AND I DO THINK
THE LAST FEW YEARS WE HAVE SEEN
AN EXPLOSION IN SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE'RE SEEING PAW PAW WINE AND
BEER, AND PAW PAW BRANDY SOLD
ACROSS KENTUCKY AND ACROSS THE

(18:43):
SOUTHEAST.
SO THERE'S REAL NEW
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO GET
INTO THIS.
AND THEN THE PULP CAN BE USED IN
DESSERT ITEMS MAKES A GREAT ICE
CREAM.
IT IS A VICAR TALL STRUT AND WE
WANT TO PROVIDE THEM THE BEST
VARIETIES AND INFORMATION HOW TO

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GROW THEM.
AND THAT IS WHAT OUR ROLE IS.
HIP, HIP HORRAY FOR
THE PAW PAW.
KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY IS
HOME TO THE ONLY FULL-TIME
RESEARCH PAW PAW PROGRAM IN THE
WORLD.
[♪♪]

(19:28):
eTHE FORBES LIST OF 400 RICHEST
AMERICANS INCLUDING A
KENTUCKIANS.
TAMARRA GUSTAFSON IS 18 ON THE
LIST THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER OF
PUBLIC STORAGE AND IS WORTH
ESTIMATED $9 BILLION.
SHE LIVES IN LEXINGTON.
SHE AND HER BROTHER OWN SPEND

(19:49):
THRIFT FARM.
>>> CRYSTAL WILKINSON IS A
WRITER WHO GREW UP IN EASTERN
KENTUCKY.
SHE PUBLISHED A HANDFUL OF
NOVELS A POETRY BOOK AND A
COOKBOOK THAT DOUBLES AS A
MEMOIR N2021 SHE WAS NAMED
KENTUCKY'S POET LAUREATE.
SHE SAT DOWN WITH KENTUCKY LIFE

(20:10):
TO DISCUSS THE RICH ART AND
CULTURE OF OUR STATE.
[♪♪]
>> TOBACCO.
OH, TOBACCO, YOU ARE THE WARM
BURNT SIENNA OF MY GRANDFATHER'S

(20:31):
SKIN.
SOFT LIKE LEATHER.
I CANNOT SEE YOU ANY OTHER WAY
BUT AS A FARMER'S FINEST CROP.
YOU ARE KENTUCKY TILLER'S
LIVELIHOOD.
YOU WERE THE TURKEY AT
THANKSGIVING CHRISTMAS WITH ALL
THE TRIMMINGS.
I CLOSE MY EYES AND SEE YOU TALL
STATELY GREEN LINED UP IN ROWS,

(20:54):
SWEPT SEEPING THROUGH
GRANDDADDY'S SHIRT.
YOU WERE PROTECTED BY HIM
SOMETIMES MORE THAN ANY OTHER
THING THAT ROOTED IN OUR EARTH.
JUST LIKE FAMILY, YOU WERE
CODDLED, CUDDLED, COAXED INTO
MAKING HIM PROUD.
SPREAD OUT FOR MILES, YOU WERE
THE ONLY PRETTY THING HE KNEW.
WHEN I THINK OF YOU AT THE EDGE

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OF WINTER I SEE YOU BROWN,
WRINKLED LIKE GRANDDADDY'S SKIN.
A 10-YEAR-OLD ME PLAYS IN THE
SHADOWS OF THE STRIPPING ROOM.
THE WOOD STOVE BURNS.
CAL LASTED HANDS TWIST YOUR
LEAVES GRANDDADDY SMILES AND
NODS WHEN HE THINKS I AM NOT
LOOKING.

(21:37):
ARE YOU PRETTY LINED UP IN ROWS
LIKE A ROOMFUL OF BROWN GIRLS
WITH SKIRTS HOOPED OUT FOR
DANCING.
>> I'M CRYSTAL WILKINSON.
I AM A WRITER, A FORMER POET
LAUREATE OF KENTUCKY A POET
WRITING ABOUT RURAL PEOPLE
PARTICULARLY RURAL BLACK PEOPLE

(21:58):
IN KENTUCKY.
I WAS GRANDPARENT RAISED.
SO MY GRANDPARENTS ALREADY
RAISED THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY
TOOK ME IN.
MY GRANDFATHER HAD 64 ACRES OF
LAND AND BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T
ANY CHILDREN OTHER CHILDREN FOR
MILES AWAY I THINK MY
IMAGINATION BECAME MY PLAYMATE
TO BE RAISED BY MY GRANDPARENTS

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MAKES ME OLD-FASHIONED SO I
THINK I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT
THEM AND THINKING ABOUT WELL WHO
CAME BEFORE THEM?
I THINK AGAIN THE UNFOLD STORY
OF BLACK RURAL LIFE THAT I'M
ALWAYS TRYING TO REACH FOR THAT,
AND TO RECREATE THAT.
I WROTE A LOT OF BAD RHYMING
POEMS AS A CHILD AND IT WAS A

(22:39):
FORM OF EXPRESSION.
I KNEW I WANTED TO BE A WRITER.
I KNEW I WANTED TO BE A
STORYTELLER BUT I DIDN'T KNOW I
WANTED TO BE A POET.
AND POETRY IS A RESPITE WORLDS
AND UNIVERSES ARE CONVEYED IN A
SHORT SPACE OF TIME.
BUT WITH A POEM.
THERE'S ALWAYS TWO THINGS

(23:00):
HAPPENING IN POETRY.
THERE IS THE CONCRETE IMAGES
THAT THE ARE THERE.
AND WHAT MAKES IT THE MOST
WONDERFUL IS WHAT IS SLIDING
UNDERNEATH.
LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING
SLIDING UNDERNEATH FOR THE
READER OF POETRY.
PART OF THAT AMBIGUITY GIVES
SPACE TO US AS READERS.
YOU ARE READING ABOUT SOMEONE'S

(23:22):
LIFE IN A DISTILLED SPACE AND
TIME.
THE SPEAKER OF POW WOMEN IS --
POPE EMIS GETTING YOU.
AND TO HAVE SOMETHING SHIFTED.

(23:42):
>> PRICE SONG FOR THE KITCHEN
GOES, SUMMER IN MY CHILDHOOD WAS
ALWAYS ON THE TABLE BY 6 IN THE
EVENING.
LAMB FRIES, FROG LEGS OR
CATFISH, NECK BONES, FRY CHICKEN
LIZARDS, CORN PUDDING TALL
GLASSES OF WATER PULLED FROM THE
WELL OR SWEET ICED TEA.

(24:05):
BUSINESS CUTS.
AFTER SUPPER WE WOULD WATCH TV
SOMETIMES I VEP TURRED OUT TO
CATCH BUGS IN A MASON JAR.
MY GRANDFATHER NODDED IN THE
RECLINING CHAIR.
MY GRANDMOTHER SEWED OR QUILTED
BUT ALWAYS HAD HER EYE ON
SOMETHING IN THE OVEN, BREAD, OR
SOMEONE WHO LOST A LOVED ONE.

(24:26):
I READ A BOOK.
THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING DEAD
IN THAT KITCHEN.
A SQUIRREL OR RABBIT SHOT AND
SKINNED BY MY GRANDFATHER.
A BUCKET OF CAUGHT FISH.
A CHICKEN WITH FEATHERS.
I REMEMBER AN ENTIRE HOG'S HEAD
IN THE TUB.
ITS TONGUE STICKING OUT.

(24:48):
MY GRAND PARENTS HOISTED THE TUB
WITH THE HOG'S HEAD UP ON THE
STOVE.
IT COVERED ALL FOUR BURNERS.
AFTER IT COOKED ALL NIGHT MY
GRANDMOTHER USED A HAND CRANKED
MEAT GRINDER TO MAKE RELISH FROM
CUCUMBERS, ON JOHNS AND PEPPERS.
NIGHT FALL EVERYTHING OUTDOORS

(25:09):
BELONGED TO NATURE.
INSIDE, WE WERE FULL AND WARM
AND FED.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT POETRY IS
ACCESSIBLE.
IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE.
WHOEVER THE PEOPLE ARE.
AND WHATEVER THE POEMS ARE.
I THINK IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE A

(25:32):
SPOKEN ART.
IT'S ALWAYS FOR THE PEOPLE.
WHETHER IT'S ON THE PAGE OR THE
STAGE.
IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE, I
THINK.
[♪♪]
AND WHETHER IT'S FOR

(25:54):
THE PAGE OR THE STAGE YOU CAN
SEE MORE GREAT STORIES EVERY
SATURDAY NIGHT ON KENTUCKY LIFE
WITH CHIP POLSTON HERE ON KET AT
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WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK HERE
TOMORROW NIGHT FOR "KENTUCKY
EDITION" WHERE WE INFORM,
CONNECT AND INSPIRE AT 6:30,
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STAY IN THE LOOP.
AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEND US
A STORY IDEA BY E-MAIL TO PUBLIC
AFFAIRS AT KET.ORG.
I'M RENEE SHAW AND I WILL SEE
YOU ON FRIDAY.
TAKE GOOD CARE.
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