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September 26, 2025 26 mins
U.S. Senator Rand Paul and Congressman Thomas discuss the possibility of a government shutdown and a possible U.S. Senate run for  Massie at a community forum in Maysville, Governor Andy Beshear weighs in on the Trump administration’s claims there's a link between Tylenol use and autism, and dozens of people who recently became naturalized U.S. citizens are recognized in Bowling Green.
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(00:02):
[♪♪]
>> I KIND OF LIGHT HEARTEDLY
SAID IF HE GETS IN THE HOUSE
RACE I CAN GET INTO THE SENATE
RACE AND MY POLLING SHOWS I
WOULD BE THE FRONTRUNNER.

>> Renee (00:18):
COULD A CANDIDATE FOR
THE HOUSE CHANGE RACES?
>> CERTAINLY, THE PRESIDENT'S
PRESS CONFERENCE ON TYLENOL AND
PREGNANCY WAS RECKLESS AND
DANGEROUS.
THE GOVERNOR BLASTS
NEW WHITE HOUSE ADVICE FOR
PREGNANT WOMEN.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

(00:40):
PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER TALKED
ABOUT IN POLITICALLY POLARIZING
TERMS AND NOW THEY ARE PART OF
THE AMERICAN FAMILY.
AND HOW A KENTUCKY
CITY IS WELCOMING ITS NEWEST
U.S. CITIZENS.
>> PRODUCTION OF "KENTUCKY
EDITION" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN
PART BY THE KET MILLENNIUM FUND.

(01:02):
[♪♪]
GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY EDITION"
FOR THIS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER THE
25TH.
I'M RENEE SHAW AND WE HOPE
YOU'VE HAD A GREAT DAY AND WE
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS

(01:22):
EVENING.
>>> KENTUCKY'S JUNIOR U.S.
SENATOR RAND PAUL AND FOURTH
DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN THOMAS
MASSIE MADE STOPS THIS WEEK
ACROSS NORTHERN KENTUCKY AND
BEYOND.
YESTERDAY, WE TOLD YOU ABOUT
MACY'S CONTINUING PUSH TO
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.
DOCUMENTS ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN
AND HIS TRAFFICKING OF YOUNG
WOMEN AND GIRLS.

(01:42):
THE TWO LAWMAKERS DISCUSSED
OTHER TOPICS LIKE THE
POSSIBILITY OF A GOVERNMENT SHUT
DOWN AND IF MASSIE WOULD
CONSIDER JOINING THE RACE FOR
THE U.S. SENATE IN KENTUCKY.
OUR EMILY SISK WAS IN MAYSVILLE
FOR THE COMMUNITY FORUM AND HAS
THE LATEST.
>> CONGRESSMAN THOMAS MASSIE
MADE EIGHT CAMPAIGN STOPS ON

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WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
INCLUDING MACEVILLE.
SENATOR RAND PAUL WHO IS NOT UP
FOR REELECTION UNTIL 2028 JOINED
IN FOR THE TOUR.
RECENT ARTICLES SUGGESTED MASSIE
MIGHT WANT TO GET IN ON THE RACE
FOR U.S. SENATE.
THAT COMES AMID RUMORS THAT
DANIEL CAMERON MAY SWITCH HIS
INTEREST TO THE FOURTH

(02:24):
CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.
>> WHAT MY POLLING SHOWS IS THAT
DANIEL CAMERON IS WINNING THE
SENATE RACE THAT WAS WISHFUL
THINKING ON THE PART OF HIS
OPPONENTS.
I KIND OF LIGHT HEARTEDLY SAID
IF HE GETS IN THE HOUSE RACE I
CAN GET INTO THE SENATE RACE AND
MY POLLING SHOWS I WOULD BE THE
FRONTRUNNER IN THAT SENATE RACE
WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES.

(02:45):
THEY MAY HAVE MORE RESOURCES AND
THAT MIGHT NOT BE HOW IT ENDS
BUT I WILL KEEP MY DEGREES OPEN
UNTIL JANUARY.
I'M SIGNING UP TO RUN FOR THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
>> REPORTERS ASKED MASSIE IF HE
WOULD CONSIDER THROWING HIS HAT
IN THE RING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
>> I WOULD NOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

(03:05):
I WAS THERE WITH RAND AND RON
DESANTIS IT IS GRUELING AND SOME
PEOPLE THINK THEY WOULD IT FOR
FUN BUT THERE IS NO FUN IN THAT
RACE.
>> RAND PAUL TALKED ABOUT WHAT
IS HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON
REGARDING THE LATEST SPENDING
BILL AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A
GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN.

(03:25):
HE SAID ULTIMATELY HE BELIEVES
ENOUGH DEMOCRATS WILL GET
ONBOARD WITH THE REPUBLICAN LED
SPENDING BILL TO PREVENT AN
OCTOBER FIRST SHUT DOWN.
>> IT CAME TO US, IT FAILED.
THAT WAS THE REPUBLICAN
PROPOSAL.
AND IT'S ABOUT A $2 TRILLION
DEFICIT THE DEMOCRATS PUT ONE
FORWARD $3 TRILLION DEFICIT AND

(03:47):
I EXPECT 10 DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE
FOR IT.
MOST REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE FOR
IT AND I THINK IT WILL PASS.
>> PAUL WAS ONE OF TWO
REPUBLICANS IN THE U.S. SENATE
TO VOTE AGAINST THE SPENDING
BILL LAST WEEK.
HE SAID SUPPORTING A DEFICIT IS
UNACCEPTABLE.
>> OUR GROWTH DEPENDS ON NOT
HAVING THE DEBT AS AN ANCHOR.

(04:10):
>> MASSIE IS KNOWN AS A FISCAL
HAWK IN WASHINGTON AND VOTED NO
ON TRUMP'S ONE BIG, BEAUTIFUL
BILL WHICH LED TO THE PRESIDENT
SAYING HE WOULD ENDORSE A
PRIMARY CHALLENGER AGAINST
MASSIE.
THE CONGRESSMAN EXPLAINED HIS
GRIEVANCES WITH THE BILL WHICH
WAS SIGNED INTO LAW THIS SUMMER.
>> WHEN THEY TELL YOU IN
WASHINGTON D.C. WE CAN CUT YOUR
TAXES AND INCREASE SPENDING, AND

(04:31):
YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
IT, THERE WILL BE NO AFFECT ON
YOUR LIVES THAT IS DEAD WRONG.
AND THAT THERE WERE MANY THINGS
IN THE BIG --
I WON'T CALL IT BEAUTIFUL BILL
THAT I AGREED WITH, THE TAX CUTS
FROM 2017 I VOTED FOR.
BUT THIS TIME AROUND THEY FILLED
IT UP WITH EXTRA SPENDING AND

(04:52):
YOU CAN'T CUT TAXES AND INCREASE
SPENDING BECAUSE YOU WILL TAX
PEOPLE THROUGH INFLATION YOU
WILL LOWER THE VALUE OF WHAT
THEY'VE GOT.
>> MASSIE AND PAUL SAID THEY ARE
AGAINST PROPOSALS PACKED INTO
ONE SINGLE BILL.
WHERE LAWMAKERS MUST VOTE ALL OR
NOTHING.
FOR "KENTUCKY EDITION" I'M EMILY
SISK.
THANK YOU, EMILY.

(05:13):
SENATOR PAUL AND CONGRESSMAN
MASSIE WRAPPED UP THEIR CAMPAIGN
STOPS WITH A MEET AND GREET
TODAY IN SHELBYVILLE, KENTUCKY.
>>> TRUST YOUR DOCTOR.
THAT'S GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR'S
ADVICE TO PREGNANT WOMEN AS THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOW CLAIMS
THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN TYLENOL
USE AND AUTISM.

(05:33):
DOCTORS PUSHED BACK AGAINST THE
CLAIM SAYING THE EVIDENCE JUST
DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
HERE IS WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAD TO
SAY TODAY.

>> Gov. Andy Beshear (05:43):
CERTAINLY,
THE PRESIDENT'S PRESS CONFERENCE
ON TYLENOL AND PREGNANCY WAS
RECKLESS AND DANGEROUS.
WE NEED OUR SCIENCE TO BE BASED
IN SCIENCE.
NOT TO BE A POLITICAL AGENDA.
I'VE SAID BEFORE THAT R.F.K. JR.
NOT QUALIFIED SHOULD NOT BE A
CABINET SECRETARY OF ANYTHING

(06:03):
AND WHAT HE IS PUSHING OUT THERE
ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR FAMILIES
LESS SAFE.
PLEASE, LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTOR.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY WISH YOU
COULD LISTEN RIGHT NOW TO HHS OR
THE C.D.C. BUT LISTEN TO YOUR
DOCTOR.

>> Renee (06:20):
THE GOVERNOR WAS ALSO
ASKED ABOUT TWO NEW DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES FOR THE U.S. SENATE.
LOGAN FORSYTHE AND JOEL WILLETT.
HE SAID HE TALKED TO BOTH OF
THEM BUT SAID IT'S RARE WHEN HE
ENDORSES A CANDIDATE BEFORE THE
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
>>> WILL TWO PAST U.S. SENATE
CANDIDATES GET INTO THE 2026
RACE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE?

(06:42):
THE LEXINGTON HERALD-LEADER
REPORTS THAT AMY MCGRATH A
DEMOCRAT WHO LOST TO SENATOR
MITCH McCONNELL IN 2020 IS
CONSIDERING THE RACE.
SHE ALSO RAN FOR THE U.S. HOUSE
IN THE SIXTH DISTRICT IN 2018
AND CHARLES BOOKER THE 2022
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE RESIGNED AS
HEAD OF THE STATE'S OFFICE OF
FAITH BASED ON COMMUNITY
INITIATIVES.

(07:03):
ON SOCIAL MEDIA HE SAID QUOTE
OUR WORK IS FAR FROM DONE.
I WILL HAVE MORE TO SHARE SOON
ABOUT HOW I SEE THIS MOMENT.
END QUOTE.
BOOKER LOST TO INCUMBENT RAND
PAUL.
>>> YESTERDAY, THE STATE GAVE A
HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY'S MARQUEE
CANCER FOUNDATION TO SUPPORT

(07:24):
CANCER RESEARCH AND ASSIST
FAMILIES.
AND SOME OF THE FAMILIES WERE
THERE TO HEAR THE GOOD NEWS.
DETAILS IN TONIGHT'S LOOK AT
MEDICAL NEWS.
>> WE ARE HERE TO CELEBRATE THE
CHILDREN WHO ARE HERE, THE
CHILDREN WHOSE PICTURES ARE
BEHIND ME, AND TO LET YOU KNOW
IF YOUR LOVED ONE IS NOT HERE

(07:45):
TODAY THEY ARE STILL LOVED AND
THEY ARE MISSED.
ANDY AND I BELIEVE HEALTHCARE IS
A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.
IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
PRIORITIZE OUR CHILDREN.
THAT'S WHY KENTUCKY IS PUNCHING
ABOVE OUR WEIGHT IN THE BATTLE
ABOVE AGAINST PEDIATRIC CANCER.
THE FIRST RESEARCH ACT

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DESIGNATES $12.6 MILLION PER
YEAR FOR CHILDHOOD CANCER
RESEARCH FUNDING.
THAT'S AMAZING.
BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
THAT IS WHY LAST YEAR IN OUR
BUDGET, KENTUCKY DESIGNATED $10
MILLION IN STATE FUNDING FOR
CHILDHOOD CANCER RESEARCH.
IN ADDITION TO FUNDING FOR
RESEARCH WE DESIGNATED $4
MILLION TO SUPPORT CHILDREN

(08:27):
FIGHTING CANCER AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
KENTUCKY IS PUTTING THESE BRAVE
KIDS FIRST.
WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD
BE.
>> IMAGINE WHAT YOU WOULD FEEL
AS A PARENT WHEN YOUR FIRST
GRADER, 10-YEAR-OLDS SAYS TO YOU
IS THIS THE LIFE I'M GOING TO
LIVE?

(08:47):
I'D RATHER DIE.
IT WAS DETERMINED THAT DARNELL
ACCURATELY LEUKEMIA OTHERWISE
KNOWN AS ALN IT WAS SHOCKING AND
HEARTBREAKING.
TO OUR SURPRISE A DAY AFTER HE
STARTED HIS CHEMO TREATMENTS, HE
WAS ABLE TO MOVE HIS LEGS EVEN

(09:10):
WALK TO THE BATHROOM.
AND THAT WAS OUR FIRST SIGN OF
HOPE.
WE KNEW WE WERE IN GOOD HANDS.
DARNELL'S TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS,
BUT IT WAS LOOKING AT STARTED
WITH THIS HOPE, BUT IT WAS NEVER
AN EASY ONE.
WE WERE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT,

(09:34):
BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT WE'VE
RECEIVED FROM THE STATES, FROM
THE DOCTORS AND NURSES.
>> I'M NOT ONLY HERE TODAY AS
MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER OF THE
KENTUCKY STATE SENATE BUT A
CANCER DAD AND MY SON'S SIX
MONTHS OF AGE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
STAGE FOUR NEUROBLASTOMA.

(09:56):
WE TRAVELED WITH OUR SON AND
WENT THROUGH 14 ROUNDS OF CHEMO
AND SIX SURGERIES AND WE KNEW
THE PROGNOSIS WHEN YOU GET INTO
NUMBERS THAT IS NEVER ANYTHING
THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE YOUR CHILD
BE PUT WITH A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT
THEIR LIFE COULD BE.
YOU SIT BACK AS A LEGISLATOR AND
WAIT AND UNDERSTAND THE LAY OF

(10:17):
THE LAND AND HOW THINGS ARE
GOING TO BE.
BUT ALWAYS KNEW THAT ONE OF THE
THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT I DID NO MATTER HOW LONG I
WOULD SERVE IN OFFICE IS
REMEMBERING BACK TO THOSE WHO
HELPED MY CHILD.
SO WE WERE BLESSED IN MY FIRST
SESSION TO HAVE PASSED SENATE
BILL 82 CREATING THE PEDIATRIC

(10:38):
CANCER RESEARCH TRUST FUND
BOARD.
WE HAVE SEEN MILLIONS GO TOWARDS
PEDIATRIC DOLLARS, INVESTMENTS
HERE, AND I WANT TO THANK THE
UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY, THE
HEALTHCARE COMMUNITY HERE THAT
IS COLLABORATING WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE.
WE MAY HAVE BATTLES ON A
FOOTBALL FIELD ON A BASKETBALL
COURT BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO

(10:58):
OUR CHILDREN.
THE FIRST LADY
PRESENTED A PROCLAMATION FROM
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE FOR
CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS
MONTH.
>>> A KENTUCKY JAIL IS TURNING A
PROFIT, BUT HOW?
AND A CHANGE IS ON THE WAY TO
HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL.
OUR TOBY GIBBS HAS DETAILS IN
THIS LOOK AT HEADLINES AROUND

(11:19):
KENTUCKY.
[♪♪]
>> JAIL SAYS HOUSING FEDERAL
INMATES IS HELPING THE BOTTOM
LINE.
THE APPALACHIAN NEWS EXPRESS
REPORTS A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO
THE STATE DECIDED TO PUT FEWER
STATE PRISONERS IN JAILS WHEN
PIKE COUNTY DECIDED TO TAKE

(11:40):
FEDERAL PRISONERS.
THE JAILER SAYS THANKS TO
REIMBURSEMENTS THE JAIL IS
RUNNING A PROFIT OF $100,000.
HE SAYS THE JAIL CAN TAKE ON
FEDERAL INMATES AND STILL HAVE
ROOM FOR LOCAL PRISONERS.
>>> A DOZEN ADVOCACY GROUPS
JOINED FORCES TO KICKOFF THE
WELCOME HOME KENTUCKY CAMPAIGN
IN DANVILLE ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.

(12:01):
IT'S TO CALL ATTENTION TO
KENTUCKY'S HOUSING CRISIS AND TO
ADVOCATE FOR LONG-TERM
SOLUTIONS.
THE DANVILLE ADVOCATE MESSENGER
SAYS MORE THAN 15 GROUPS TOOK
PART THE GROUP WANTS PEOPLE TO
KNOW ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF HOMES
AND HOUSING BARRIERS FACED BY
LOW-INCOME FAMILIES.
>>> A SMALL PLANE CRASHED INTO A

(12:22):
MAYFIELD HOME.
THE MESSENGER SAYS THE PILOT
LANDED AT THE MAYFIELD AIRPORT
AND COULDN'T STOP.
THE PLANE HIT THE HOUSE.
DAMAGE WAS CONSIDERABLE BUT NO
ONE WAS HURT.
>>> A 35 SECOND SHOT CLOCK IS
HEADED TO KENTUCKY HIGH SCHOOL

(12:42):
VARSITY BASKETBALL BOYS AND
GIRLS.
THE KENTUCKY HIGH SCHOOL
ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION BOARD OF
CONTROL VOTED 13-5 TO ADD A SHOT
CLOCK DURING THE 2027-2028
SCHOOL YEAR.
THE NEWSPAPER SAYS LOCAL
REACTION IS GENERALLY POSITIVE
WITH SOME SAYING TEAMS ALMOST
ALWAYS SHOOT THE BALL WITHIN 35

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SECONDS ANYWAY.
>>> WITH HEADLINES AROUND
KENTUCKY I'M TOBY GIBBS.
[♪♪]
DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO
RECENTLY BECAME NATURALIZED U.S.
CITIZENS WERE RECOGNIZED THIS

(13:24):
WEEK IN BOWLING GREEN.
THE CITY HOSTED ITS ANNUAL
RECEPTION FOR NEW AMERICANS
WHICH INCLUDED A SPECIAL PROGRAM
AND VOTER REGISTRATION BOOTH.
OUR LAURA ROGERS BRINGS US MORE
FROM WARREN COUNTY.
>> HE WAS EXCITED.
HAPPY TO BECOME A U.S. CITIZEN
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MORE DOORS

(13:45):
OPEN FOR ME.
>> VALERY GARCIA WAS BORN IN THE
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND
IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES
IN 2018.
>> ME AND MY MOM DECIDED TO MOVE
TO THE UNITED STATES SO WE CAN
HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME
SINCE I WAS ABOUT TO GRADUATE
HIGH SCHOOL.
>> GARCIA GRADUATED FROM
GEOINTERNATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL AND
EARNED A DEGREE FROM WESTERN

(14:06):
KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY AND IS NOW A
SOCIAL WORKER.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
GIVE BACK.
BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED HERE WE
WERE ALONE.
EVERYTHING WAS NEW TO US.
WE FIND PEOPLE TO HELP US OUT
AND HELP US THROUGH THE
TRANSITION FROM KNOWING THE
LANGUAGE NOT KNOWING ANYTHING
AROUND AND TRANSPORTATION.
>> SHE NAVIGATED THE CHALLENGES

(14:27):
OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS AND
ACHIEVED HER U.S. CITIZENSHIP IN
JULY.
>> LIKE A HAPPY MOMENT.
I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
PEOPLE ASK ME ARE YOU A CITIZEN.
NO, I AM A U.S. CITIZEN I STILL
CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
>> SOMETIMES IT'S A DIFFICULT
JOURNEY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BECOME A NATURALIZED U.S.

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CITIZEN.
>> LEYDA BECKER IS A NATURALIZED
CITIZEN FROM VENEZUELA AND WORKS
AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MANAGER
FOR THE CITY OF BOWLING GREEN.
>> IT IS A CELEBRATION FOR US
BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR NEWEST
CONSTITUENTS WE WANT TO
RECOGNIZE THE FACT THEY ARE A
PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER TALKED
ABOUT IN POLITICALLY POLARIZING

(15:10):
TERMS.
BUT NOW THEY ARE PART OF THE
AMERICAN FAMILY.
>> THE CITY TUESDAY HOSTED A
RECEPTION FOR THOSE WHO EARNED
THEIR CITIZENSHIP THROUGH THE
PAST YEAR A PROCESS THAT IS
TEDIOUS AND BUREAUCRATIC.
>> YOU HAVE TO PASS THE
CITIZENSHIP TEST WHICH WAS 100
POSSIBLE QUESTIONS THAT ARE
ASKED ON U.S. HISTORY, CIVICS,

(15:31):
GEOGRAPHY, GOVERNMENT.
SO I GOT ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED
STATES, SOME POLITICS AND I WAS
LIKE I DON'T KNOW MY OWN HISTORY
OF MY BACK HOME.
SO I NEED TO LEARN NEW IN A
DIFFERENT LANGUAGE IT WAS HARD
BUT IT WAS WORTH IT.
>> OTHER NEW AMERICANS AGREE AS
FAMILIES GATHERED TO CELEBRATE
WITH SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
>> MY MOM IS A RECENT IMMIGRANT

(15:54):
HERE AND IT MAKES HER HAPPY
DOING SEEING MY FAMILY HAPPY.
I FEEL LIKE I ACCOMPLISHED MY
FAMILY DREAMS AND MY OWN DREAMS.
>> FOR "KENTUCKY EDITION" I'M
LAURA ROGERS.
THANK YOU.
AS A NEW U.S. CITIZEN VALERY IS
MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO VOTING

(16:14):
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THE NATURALIZATION PROCESS
INCLUDES A 760 DOLLAR FEE
CITIZENSHIP EXAM, INTERVIEW
PROCESS AND A THOROUGH
BACKGROUND CHECK.
[♪♪]

(16:36):
A LOCAL BUSINESS WOMAN
SAYS THE BEST SKILL WHEN IT
COMES TO LEADERSHIP ISN'T ABOUT
HAVING ALL THE ANSWERS, IT'S
ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS.
IN TONIGHT'S BUSINESS BEAT OUR
KELSEY STARKS INTRODUCES US TO
LOUISVILLE RESIDENT AND
LEADERSHIP STRATEGIST Dr.
DEBRA CLARY.
WHOSE NEW BOOK, THE CURIOSITY

(16:57):
CURVE EXPLORES THAT CONCEPT.
>> WELL, WELCOME TO Dr. DEBRA
CLARY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
YOU'VE HELD EXECUTIVE ROLES IN
COCA-COLA, FRITO-LAY, HUMANA.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND
AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT LED YOU
TO CREATE THIS BOOK?

(17:18):
>> YES, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND
TALK ABOUT A TOPIC I
PASSIONATELY LOVE.
I STARTED MY CAREER OUT OF
BUSINESS SCHOOL DRIVING A ROUTE
TRUCK FOR FRITO-LAY.
I WENT FROM BUSINESS SCHOOLS TO
BEING A TEAMSTER.
MY PARENTS WERE SO PROUD.
WHAT I WANTED TO WORK FOR A

(17:39):
LARGE ORGANIZATION.
AND AT THAT TIME THEY WERE ONLY
HIRING ROUTE DRIVERS SO I TOOK A
SHOT AND THIS WAS THE MID-80s
AND I GOT PROMOTED INTO MANAGING
ROUTE DRIVERS AND IT SOUNDS
GLAMOROUS AT THE AGE OF 22.
IF THE DRIVER DID NOT SHOW UP
YOU WERE ON THE TRUCK.
DRIVING A TRUCK TAUGHT ME HOW TO

(18:01):
RUN A BUSINESS AND I LEARNED I
WAS EXPERIENCING DIFFERENTLY
THAN GIRLFRIENDS WORKING FOR
PROPERTY FOR AND GAMBLE THEY HAD
A COMPANY CAR AND I HAD A TRUCK
AND A CLIPBOARD IT BEGAN TO SET
ME ON A TRAJECTORY.
AND I SPENT 10 YEARS AT
FRITO-LAY IN SALES AND MARKETING

(18:22):
AND I JOINED THE COCA-COLA
COMPANY IN PHILADELPHIA AND THEN
IN ATLANTA.
AND I SPENT A DECADE THERE
MANAGING A GLOBAL ACCOUNT.
AND THEN I WENT TO THE HARD
STUFF.
I KA I AM TO LOUISVILLE TO WORK
FOR BROWN-FORMAN I MIXED MY COKE
AND JACK DANIELS.
WHEN I WAS AT BROWN FOREMAN I

(18:42):
WAS IN STRATEGY AND I BEGAN TO
REALIZE THAT PEOPLE WERE LEADERS
WERE DIFFERENT, CULTURES WERE
DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE
ORGANIZATION YOU WERE IN.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PUT
WORDS AROUND THAT.
I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL TO GET MY
DOCTORATE IN LEADERSHIP AND I
WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW LEADERS
COULD GET BETTER AND HOW WE

(19:04):
COULD CREATE CULTURES.
SO AFTER I GRADUATED I WENT TO
WORK FOR HUMANA DOWN THE STREET
HERE ABOUT A BLOCK.
AND I SPENT ALMOST 17 YEARS
THERE RUNNING THE LEADERSHIP
INSTITUTE AND DEVELOPING LEADERS
AND CULTURE.
>> WOW.
SO THE BOOK IS THE CURIOSITY
CURVE.
AND THE PREMISE IS THAT BEING

(19:25):
CURIOUS, ASKING QUESTIONS, FUELS
INNOVATION, RESILIENCE AND
CONNECTION.
>> YES.
>> EXPLAIN HOW SO.
>> YES.
HOW I STARTED ON THIS WAS IT WAS
IN 2019 AND MY C.E.O. TURNED TO
ME AND OF A FORTUNE 50 COMPANY,
$100 BILLION IN REVENUE AND SAID
DO YOU THINK CURIOSITY CAN BE

(19:46):
LEARNED OR IS IT INNATE?
AND I SAID I DON'T KNOW BUT I
WAS CURIOUS.
SO I SPENT THE NEXT WEEK
HAPPENED TO BE A HOLIDAY FOURTH
OF JULY.
AND I JUST DUG INTO LITERATURE
AND RESEARCH ON THAT QUESTION.
AND I CAME BACK THAT FOLLOWING
MONDAY AND I SAID GUESS WHAT?
CURIOSITY CAN BE LEARNED.
AND THAT BEGAN THIS PATH OF HOW

(20:10):
COULD CURIOSITY REALLY CHANGE
ORGANIZATIONS?
AND SO I STARTED DOING MY OWN
RESEARCH.
I THEN COMMISSIONED A GROUP OF
RESEARCHERS TO LOOK AT DO
PRIMARY STUDIES ON WHAT IS THE
RELATEDNESS BETWEEN LEADERSHIP,
PERFORMANCE AND CURIOSITY.
AND GUESS WHAT?
THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION
AND THAT'S WHEN I KNEW IT WAS

(20:32):
THE WORK I WAS CALLED TO DO.
AND THAT'S THE BOOK AND THE
BEGINNING OF WRITING THAT BOOK.
>> THAT IS AMAZING.
I THINK THE ONE OF THE QUOTES
HERE I WANT TO READ MOST OF US
HAVE BECOME SO FOCUSED ON HAVING
THE ANSWERS WE HAVE FORGOTTEN
HOW TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THAT IS
SO INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN YOU

(20:52):
DO ASK QUESTIONS SOME OF THE
EXAMPLES IN YOUR BOOK OF
EMPLOYEES IT NOT ONLY COMES UP
WITH GREAT IDEAS BUT IT ALSO HAS
THAT BUY IN.
RIGHT?
>> YES.
YES.
YOU THINK ABOUT WHO DOESN'T WANT
TO BE A PART OF SOLVING A
PROBLEM?
UNFORTUNATELY, LEADERS HAVE
BECOME INCUR KWROS FOR A LOT OF

(21:13):
REASONS AND ONE IS THAT WE HAVE
TIME CONSTRAINTS AND HUGE
PRESSURE TO HIT HUGE NUMBERS.
WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND
HAS A PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO
HELPING THEM THINK THROUGH IT BY
ASKING QUESTIONS WE GIVE THEM
THE ANSWER.
BECAUSE THAT IS THE FASTEST WAY
TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT PLAYING THE
LONG GAME AND LEADERSHIP IS

(21:34):
ABOUT DEVELOPING THOSE THAT WORK
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS ON THEIR OWN.
>> SO I WANT TO DIVE MORE INTO
THE BOOK ITSELF.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TEACHING
LEADERS HOW TO BE MORE CURIOUS
WHAT ARE WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN
DEVELOP LIKE YOU SAID IT IS A
SKILL IT'S NOT AN INNATE THING

(21:56):
WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE
CAN LEARN TO BE MORE CURIOUS?
>> YES.
SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS
TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO ASK
QUESTIONS.
TO ASK GENUINE QUESTIONS THAT
YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO FIND
THE ANSWER TO.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE AN
ATTORNEY AND YOU HAVE A WITNESS
ON THE STAND.
IT IS REALLY ONE ABOUT ASKING

(22:19):
GENUINE AUTHENTIC QUESTIONS SO
THAT YOU ARE LEADING THE PERSON
FORWARD AND ALSO LEARNING AT THE
SAME TIME.
THE BEST THING A LEADER CAN DO
WHEN SOMEONE ASKS THEM A
QUESTION IS TO SAY I DON'T KNOW
LET'S WORK ON IT.
LET'S DISCOVER THIS OURSELVES.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SHOWING
VULNERABILITY.
THAT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE

(22:41):
ANSWERS BUT IF WE WORK ON THIS
WE WILL COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
>> OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO YOU
THINK?
I USE THAT WITH MY KIDS A LOT.
>> THAT IS SUCH A PERFECT THING
AND WHAT WE DO IN ORGANIZATIONS
WE HAVE A CURIOSITY ASSESSMENT
AND WE CAN MEASURE CURIOSITY AT
THE INDIVIDUAL, TEAM AND
ORGANIZATIONAL LEVEL BECAUSE IT

(23:02):
CAN BE LEARNED WE CAN TEACH IT
AND WE CAN MEASURE IT AND WE CAN
GO BACK MONTHS LATER TO SEE HOW
WE IMPROVED.
THE WORK I DO WITH TEAMS IS
HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND
CURIOSITY.
AND IT'S THERE IS A RICHNESS,
THERE IS A SCIENCE BEHIND IT
THERE ARE FOUR FACTORS THAT
MAKEUP CURIOSITY.

(23:22):
WE HELP LEADERS AND TEAMS
UNDERSTAND THOSE FOUR FACTORS
AND THEN HOW TO MODEL IT AND TO
TEACH IT.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE
BIGGEST MISTAKE THAT LEADERS DO
SOMETIMES FALL INTO, A LOT OF
TIMES ORGANIZATIONS ARE JUST
ORGANIZED WITH A HIERARCHY AND
IT IS KIND OF A MANDATE FROM THE

(23:44):
TOP DOWN.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BIGGEST
MISTAKE WHEN LEADERS GET INTO
THAT LIKE --
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WRONG MOST
OF THE TIME AND HOW CAN THEY
CORRECT IT?
>> WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS THAT THEY
BECOME TELLERS.
I'M PROTECT YOU WHAT --
TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO.

(24:05):
VERSUS LET'S SOLVE THIS
TOGETHER.
OR WHAT ARE IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE?
AND YOU GET A GROUP OF PEOPLE IN
A ROOM AND BEGIN TO PROBLEM
SOLVE WILL YOU GOING TO INCREASE
SPEED TO GOOD IDEAS AND TO
EXECUTE.
>> AND NOT TO MENTION, THE BUY
IN FROM EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY TAKE
OWNERSHIP ONCOMING UP WITH SOME

(24:26):
OF THE SOLUTIONS.
I IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT MAKES
EVERYTHING SKYROCKET.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
YOU NAILED IT.
>> INTERESTING.
IT'S SO COOL.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> Dr. DEBRA CLARY'S NEW BOOK
A LEADERS GUIDE TO GROWTH AND
TRANSFORMATION THROUGH BOLD
QUESTIONS COMES OUT OCTOBER 7TH

(24:46):
AND YOU CAN FIND HER ASSESSMENT
THAT TOOL THAT HELPS LEADERS
MEASURE AND REIGNITE CURIOSITY
IN THE WORKPLACE IT IS ALL AT
DEBRA CLARY.COM.
BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
LOUISVILLE'S ACTORS THEATER IS
HOSTING AN EVENING WITH Dr.
DEBRA CLARY ON OCTOBER 9TH.
THAT WILL INCLUDE A CONVERSATION
AND Q AND A WITH ACTORS THEATER

(25:10):
LEADERSHIP TO CELEBRATE THE BOOK
RELEASE.
[♪♪]
ANTICIPATING THE WEATHER IN
WESTERN KENTUCKY JUST GOT A BIT
EASIER.
A NEW WEATHER STATION IS UP IN

(25:30):
HANCOCK COUNTY LEARN MORE ABOUT
THE MESONET SYSTEM HOW PEOPLE
CAN USE THIS TOOL THAT STORY AND
MUCH MORE TOMORROW NIGHT ON
"KENTUCKY EDITION."
WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE WEEKEND.
WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US
TOMORROW NIGHT FRIDAY AT 6:30
EASTERN 5:30 CENTRAL FOR
"KENTUCKY EDITION" WHERE WE
INFORM, CONNECT AND INSPIRE AND
WE HOPE YOU WILL LOOK FOR US ON

(25:51):
THE SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS,
FACEBOOK, X AND INSTAGRAM TO
STAY IN THE LOOP AND WE INVITE
YOU TO SEND US A STORY IDEA BY
E-MAIL TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS AT
KET.ORG.
AND MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD OUR
CONTENT ON KET.ORG AND THE PBS
VIDEO APP AND THE KET APP TO
KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP AND KEEP
YOU ENTERTAINED AND INFORMED.

(26:12):
I'M OFF TOMORROW BUT I WILL SEE
YOU ON MONDAY.
I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND
TO COME AND TAKE REALLY GOOD
CARE.
UNTIL I SEE YOU AGAIN, SO LONG.
[♪♪]
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