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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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it'll be a quiet week for Drake green Law the
rest of the way. But Sean Payton seemed nonplussed about it.
I would say, we know we need after his small
injury today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
With him shut it down. Yeah, don't care. Please just
start the regular He's like Peyton Manning. Just be ready
to go Game one. Just get him there as you
are a difference maker. My guy, he's.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
He's a stud, really really good player. Rocks made a
trade to Andy.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Are you psyched? Jake Bird traded to the Yankees. The
Rockies have acquired infielder Rock Reggio. A lot of Rocks
in this town. We're going to rock this town. Yanks
number ten prospect. Well, we build this city on rock
n roll.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Rock En Raggio, left hander Ben Shields, Yankees number twenty
nine prospect. But the Rocks makeing move get a couple
of minor league bodies for Jake Bird. So they so
in the end, it was it was Ryan McMahon Tyler
Kinley and Jake Bird that they moved.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm excited for McMahon. Maybe you know what Barney wants
to talk to McMahon. Part of me doesn't want to
put him in that position, but I would love if
the Yankees would just let us chat with the guy.
I don't know. You know, you and I used to
have some really good conversations with him. Him and Brandon
Rodgers are always great when we had him on the show,
Ryan McMahon, and then we just got to the point
where it's like no point having you on the show
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the last four years.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ryan mack by the way, had to walk off hit
last night. Rockies, by the way lost five to nothing
last night, only three hits, Andy, But you know who
had one of them.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Your guy.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
He's not cooling yet. He's warming Bernabelle. You're not warming
to the idea of him being your favorite player either.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Twelve hundred if the ops remains over twelve hundred. By
the way, this is very Trevor's Storian. Did you know
this about warming Bernabelle? He's he has survived a gunshot
two years ago in the In the off season, he
and his wife were confronted by some dudes in his
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native Dominican Republic outside a restaurant. The gentleman in question
wanted Warming's chain, he did not feel like giving it
to them. The restaurant owner, who apparently knew Bernabelle or
knew the burna bells, according to Patrick's owners piece in
the Denver Post, chased them out and fired a gun
at them. One of them fired back and struck Warming
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Burnabelle in the back.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
He's okay, it's good. He's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
He was, you know, he had a tough year that
season in the minor leagues, but he came back and
it's been a good start at the big league career
so far. He had one of the rocks three hits
last night and a five nothing lost. Kyle Freeland, by
the way, a tough one out there with his illness effects.
He didn't get traded, by the way, didn't trade a
single starting pitcher. And again d mac well is he
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is the stand for this roster. I think it's absolute
hot garbage. I don't I don't care if anybody on
this club sticks around. If the Rockies wanted to blow
it up and trade everybody, what's so funny is like
like the Twins are getting a bunch of heat today.
They traded Carlos Korea back to the Astros. They traded
Joe Ryan, Like, the Twins are blowing it up. That
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was a postseason team back in twenty twenty three, but
they have disappointed since then. Well, the Twins know exactly
what they are. They are a mid market to smaller
market club and they operate on the margins. As such,
what did the Twins do today? They traded everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's what you should do, trying to load up and
get a group of guys ready to come back and
give a go at it again, young arms, young, young whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Now again, I know the Rockies don't have Carlos Korea
or Joe Ryan, but like, don't don't get too enamored
with anything that's on your club.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Right, Okay, you're right they don't have either of those guys.
But would you not? I would have been curious to
see what a Kyle Freeland trade would have brought back
to you. Frankly, at this point, I would have been
curious to see if Ezekiel Tovar would have brought something
back to you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I would have had no problem with it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
What about Halverson.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The problem with like a like a Tovar is you'd
be selling low on him right now because he's he's
had a down year and he's dealt with the injury thing.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
All right, fair enough, but and look, he is young enough.
There's a small possibility that if you do get in
three to four years when Ethan holiday, because Ethan Holiday
to me is now the marker, you know what I mean,
when he's ready to show up, you better have a
whole bunch of at least five other six other guys
are ready to show up with.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Him, I hope.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So maybe rock Regio is going to be one of
those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So so yeah, look, did the Rockies? Did they burn
everything to the ground of the trade deadline the way
that I wanted him to know?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But guess what, it's also the Rockies. They were never
going to do that. Andy. Let's like like with this
with this club, let's take what we can get.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Takes progress.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Appreciate the baby steps that they actually traded somebody and
they moved three guys that really they needed to move.
So so I guess we'll call it progress, even if
I don't think they've gone nearly far. Enough in terms
of doing business the way that they probably should. But progress.
By the way, Paul Skeenes is pitching a course field
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on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That will be fun.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It will be enjoyable. So there's a Rocky E's thing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, no pads today, Broncos dialed it back big time.
As Sean Payton called it. He called it an ota
tempo after practice today, which it certainly seemed to be.
By the way, Andy as he was saying that, clearly
this must have been when I turned around and noticed this.
Garrett Bulls has lacrosse skills. I was watching Garrett Bowles.
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He was because the Denver Outlaws, the PLL dudes who
they're playing this weekend, right.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They played Tomorrow night couple of games. The league plays
Tomorrow night two games, and then the Outlaw US played
twice because this is their home city and they're playing
Saturday as well. There's an eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Game at DU, and the Dams will be a DU.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Peter Barton, look at the State Cross Stadium, cool red
mountains painted on it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I talked to Brendan O'Neill, Pat Cavanaugh, and Logan mcinninnie mcninney.
He told me. I told him I was gonna screwed up.
I didn't screwed up in the interview, but the goalie
and to the like. So Patrick Smyth, for those who
don't know, if you want to get on his good side,
he was a lacrosse player at the University of Florida.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Patrick was when I walked in this morning, not right
at ten am. Uh Patrick Smythe was he He was
all in on the lacrosse thing. He didn't care at
all about the football practice behind him. He was talking
lax well.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He was sooning. I've been He and I have been
chatting for a week or two. But uh, Patrick wanted
to meet, in particular Brendan O'Neill, who's the star of
the sport. I've got an interview up on our YouTube page.
Go the Altitude Sports Radio YouTube page, look for Mammoth.
After hours, I'll tweet out the links all that stuff.
We talked all three but Brendan O'Neil is the face
of this league. He was the top pick a couple
of years ago, and he's just a very exciting player,
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and he's a beast. And Patrick said I could see
him out here now. The funny thing is the Outlaws
actually have a player named Jared Bernhardt who retired from
the Atlanta Falcons, if you want to put it that way,
to go play lacrosse again. And so he's playing with
those guys. He actually, as it turns out, tried out
for the Denver Broncos prior to making it with the
Atlanta Falcons. So I don't know if he was out
there because maybe that just wasn't the memory that he needed.
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But Garrett Bowles was a long stick midfielder and the
crazy thing that I never wrapped my because I learned
this when he showed up and there was an original
iteration of the Outlaws when the league was in different ownership.
And so we got a bunch of guys out there
one day in the field house and Garrett went through
drills with them and threw the ball. But again for
those that know I was watching him today, he had
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the long stick. But here's the thing. Most of the
long sticks usually stand down by the goal and play defense.
Garrett was a long stick midi, which means he went
out there and ran the old field with the long stick.
The long stick, and his job was to take the
ball away from your best stick handler. I mean when
I think about that time, well wester stick, I'm just saying,
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to think about Garrett Bowles to be the athletic to
play the position he plays. What always blew my mind.
It's like show hey o Tani being able to pitch
and hit dong.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Was he the long stick guy just because he's so
huge as a person normally.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes, if he stayed by the goalk, not the dude.
You got athletes that got to run. You've got to
run the full field, and oftentimes they've got to be able.
A guy just set the fastest shot record with a
long pull at their All Star Evant Okay one twenty five.
I think they were telling me one five. I talked
to the goalie Logan, I go, what do you do?
Cause again we see guys try to face hundred mile
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an hour pitching. What's the fastest pitch speed? You know,
I believe it's the raldest. Chapman tapped one oh five.
I mean, can you even imagine trying to pick? So
I asked the goal igo, how do you because normally
they have white heads holding a white ball. Yeah, and
Logan's like, you just got a guess you got no shot?
He goes. I got a general idea where he's probably going.
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But that's like trying to hit a fastball, you know
what I mean? Yeah, one oh five? Could you imagine?
What how quick would one o five be past you?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Did you happen to see?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
By the way, at Wimbledon this year, the dude set
the fastest serve record.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What did that go for? One fifty three? I can't
even think of serve? Could you even process the ball
coming at you by the time it was by you?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Giovanni petchi pera card I'm looking up the name right
now and I'm probably butchering it. Uh, but one fifty
three on the serf. You want to know the funny part?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It got returned.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He lost the point?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Did you and I watch that on?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Didn't you?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
When I see that? Yeah, the guy just stuck his
racket out, got the return and ode. You didn't even
need to swing the thing was moving so fa he.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Won the damn point. Unbelievable. You hit a one fifty
three served you lose the point? Killer, Yeah, which is
very funny that it went down like that for him.
But yeah, I think fastest pitch on record is it's
got to be a rold As Chapman and I'm spitballing that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But imagine he's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Got it up behind you. Here we go, Yeah, Alan
baka brow. Look at the batter's reactions. Ridiculous bucko five. Yeah,
you imagine catching it. I played catcher a couple of times.
I can't even imagine locat eight to catch it. And
the one that Baca just showed us that was up
a little bit, Like you said, it's not he was
just hold the glove there and he's gonna hit it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, you gotta get that thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
React to that sucker.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So generally this is as long as as long as
he knows fastball, he'll be able to get there. Catchers
only really get crossed up if a guy throws the
wrong pitch, Like you can miss a location and a
major league catcher is pretty much always gonna make. But
if you throw the wrong pitch, that's when they get
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messed up. Like if he called fastball and you throw
a slider.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
The ref is wearing it, that's everyone's wearing it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's called a pass ball. That that's gonna be a
part of your life right there. Yeah, you that that
that part of the agreement is critical. You actually have
to throw the pitch that everyone's agreed on.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Did you see there was weird one I think in
the Rockies game the other night. Which what do we
have here? One oh six? Oh baka found? So who
is that is that? Chatman?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Still Chatman?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay? One oh six? Did you see in the Rockies
game where the ball went off like the bat I
want to say, went off like the batter. The guard
hit the umpire and then hit the batter again like
he caught it on the back.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh that's a bummer.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was facing it. It hit ricocheted off, the pitch
ricocheted off, I want to say, his guard caught the
umpire's mask and then drilled him in the back.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So one oh five point eight that was that was
what that pitch was one from Chapman.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Come on, it's one o six.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's the essentially one oh six. Yeah, the fastest pitches
on record. Chapman has one, two, three, four or five six.
He has eight of the fastest nine.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Don't you want to just at one time? I don't
want to have to try to hit it. I want
to be at a safe distance. But like what I
wish they could get a camera on the batters, give
me the batter's eye right of what even one hundred.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Looks well, and like a guy like Chapman.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Chapman is also one of those one of those huge
dudes I always thought of in Randy Johnson famously in
the All Star Game with Larry Walker. But the thing
about Randy Johnson that I think would have been the
most terrifying was his pure size. Like he but by
the time he was releasing the ball, it was you know,
it's supposed to be sixty feet six inches, but like
think of like it fully extended. Randy Johnson after a
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long stride, he's fifty four feet away from you, that
ball is on top of this, you lost six feet instantly.
Like I think the same thing anytime I see Josh
Hater pitch, it's just like he's so damn tall, and
even if he doesn't have like the same gas he
did back in like his Brewers days, it's just like, bam,
it's just right there.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I don't know how you do anything.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
With schemes throwing these. Is he a fastball guy? I
mean he's like four pitches, he's a triple digit guy.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, he he can bring the and generally
Schemes wants to sit around ninety eight because he's hoping
to you know, he's hoping to throw a hundred and
ten pitches every single outing, terrifying, terrifying, one O two.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
See this BAKA experience is funny. He just throws graphics
up on the big board behind us. He doesn't care
about you radio.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This actually is really helpful to me because because Andy,
you have a tendency to pepper me with questions that
I don't know the answer to.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm gonna go and I'm like, let me look it
up instead. We got pocket to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Hey, guys, when I used to do this back in
the day, this big screen wasn't available.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'm enjoying its toy to play with.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We we greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you very
much for that. Cragn to Lindall, I got a Travis
Hunter question for you when we come back. Wait, because
we're starting to get Travis Hunter snap counts. Yeah, this
is some fun stuff. God bless the training camp reporters
down in Jacksonville giving us the Travis Hunter snap counts
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on both sides of the ball. What is this all
going to look like? I've got I've got a nuanced,
very specific Travis Hunter question to ask you about how
they're gonna count on him this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
We'll do that next.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Westwood one, Westwood one. All right, Andy, we got this
from Jacksonville. Okay, this is courtesy of Michael Droco of ESPN.
Travis Hunter training camp, snap counts. This is always one
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of those where they're always like, like you guys count
snaps training camp. Sean Payton already called out to me
about it during OTAs. Yeah, but like on this one,
this is different. Somebody needs to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, because, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We're talking about a guy that's gonna be a two
way player in the NFL. The Jaguars have have made
it clear that is their plan with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So what is it going to look like? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So this is this from Michael Dorocco today. This is
total Travis Hunter snaps through seven Jags practices one and
thirty nine snaps seventy two on offense, sixty seven on defense.
So damn near fifty to fifty right seven on seven
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he's taken eighteen snaps eleven offensively seven on defense. Andy
listened to this and eleven on eleven sixty one offense,
sixty on defense. Team has run three hundred ninety three
total snaps so far. Hunter has been on the field
for thirty five percent of all snaps. But also, like, okay,
when you hear that number, just think of the context
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of well, yeah, but the second and third teamer has
got to get their works work in as well. So basically,
like when you hear that he's on the field for
one third of all snaps, that's almost everything the first
in the first string offense and defense are doing right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, which is interesting because a lot of people didn't
think he'd get this kind of even work.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Hunter is scheduled to play both sides of the ball
for the first time in camp during the Jaguar scrimmage
at Everbanks Stadium on Friday, so he will play both sides.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This is interesting. Okay, scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Didn't know anybody went scrimmage anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Broncos they Sean said Saturday will be scrimmage, Like, all right,
that was how we bet it. But these guys are
going into the stadium to do the whole thing, all right.
So here's something that I've been wondering about with with
Travis Hunter right now and with the Jaguars specifically, is
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Andy you were You were on record and to your credit, man,
you've been. You've been screaming this since Travis Hunter started
up in Boulder two years ago, and you were the
sideline reporter. You said better corner than a receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes, still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And he's like he was. He was top three in
college football at both so pretty damn good. Here's one
thing that I wonder about, though, with with this Jaguars
team is who's their new head coach? Our guy Liam Cohen, yep,
offensive guy, play caller extraordinaire. Did a very good job
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with Tampa Bay last year, and in particular when he
had a healthy Chris Godwin working out of the slot
like he used him a ton.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
With Baker Mayfield, you got Baker.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Dealing again too. Give him some credit that looked like
the old Baker Mayfield really did.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right, if you're the Jags and you're a brand
new head coach and Liam Cohen and you want to
win immediately, and they should want to, by the way,
since Shag Cohn has been the owner of the Jaguars
more losses than any other team in football, so you
know there's a lot of organizational pressure for them to
change that very quickly. Okay, offensively in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence,
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Travis etn Brian Thomas is a very good receiver on
the outside. If you put Travis Hunter in the slot.
And if you're the Jags and you look at it
and you say, if we're gonna win games, we're gonna
do it on offense. We're gonna do it with fixing
Trevor Lawrence and with the play calling available to Liam Cohen. Now,
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I don't think Liam Cohen's got the same quality of
offensive line necessarily in Jacksonville that he had in Tampa Bay,
but skilled position wise, it could be pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
If the goal is quick turnaround.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Do you emphasize Hunter on offense more as an offensive
minded head coach because you think he will make a
greater immediate impact on wins and losses for our team
on that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
All right, first, let me I'll tell you where I Stan.
Tell you where he Superfrey, tell you where a Stan.
I'm that's an old Scottie saying, okay, background my impact. Look,
I feel good about my prior statement than being a
better corner because all the all the folks I've seen
talking on NFL Network can get up have talked about
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what a great quartering is and he's a shutdown the
side we've seen with Patrick sand Stands. So I understand
where you're coming. His ball skills are incredible, Liam, Liam Cohen,
I can understand, like you said, wanting immediate boost to
his offense, wanting to maybe use him more there. The
reason why I would not is he can get you
the ball back more if he's shutting down half the
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field and you've got the pass rush because he's that
kind of player.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And turnovers can swing games for you, maybe even more.
And I don't need to because of fifty to fifty
league turnovers are kind of everything.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't need him out there run blocking. I don't
need Travis Hunter a part of one plays. You know
what I mean, I don't think they're going the right.
But that's another reason why I dial the plays back.
I don't need a full time starter on offense. Let's remember,
see you barely ran the football right. He doesn't need
to be out there getting caught up rolled on during
some run play because you know, got too close to
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the line or just stupid stuff happens in football plays.
We see it all the time. Sure, so I am
limiting him. If he comes out there, he's going to
be a threat to get the ball. The other team's
going to know it. I don't care if I get
ten to fifteen plays offensively out of him. Again, he
won't want this. If you're hearing this, he'd be yelling
at me and all that other stuff. But again, what's
best for my team and my opinion is you're my
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big play, home run threat. I'm gonna use you in
the long yardage. I'm gonna use you on the third
downs or whatever it is, or wherever I feel like.
Maybe if it's like one of the old handoffs at
midfield after the big play or after the turnover where
I try to get the quick strike.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's I mean, the rpo stuff that you can do
with him. The amount of motion that you can put
him into, Like it's the possibilities are endless what you
can do with him. And oh, by the way, go
win a fifty to fifty ball. Travis Hunter is gonna
win a damn fifty to fifty ball.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But I'm keeping you on defense, brother, whether you like
it or not, I drafted you for defense. That's just
what I'd have to talk to him about. I mean,
are you are very special as that player. They're still
trying to refine some of his route running too, if
you remember it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, without a doubt, he's got to have specific cuts,
you know what I mean. I think the nuances of
the wide receiver position are going to limit him. But
where I will push back on you is what you're
telling me, is I Andy Lindall, coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
This is how I would do it. What I look
at is yeah, But what's Liam Cohen gonna want to
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do with this?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Sure enough, there is gonna be to your point of that.
You know, not only just Liam Cohen, Shod Cohn, the
owner of the franchise. They need some excitement. Trevor Lawrence,
as excited as I was to watch Trevor Lawrence play
some football. He's not been what I expected in the NFL,
and I gotta imagine the people in Jacksonville at times
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are probably like, man, we gave this guy fifteen million
a year for this. They need something to finalize and
excite the fan base. And the fact that you've got
remember Travis Hunter was a college football star. They love
their college football around where Jacksonville plays. And to your point, yes,
I'm sure I would not be shocked if in the
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early going or his rookie year period he isn't more
of an offensive threat to get people in the seats.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And Thomas his rookie season last year with the Jags,
like again, any other year where you don't have Jayden
Daniels and Brock Bauers and bow Knicks, Brian Thomas's season
is like, oh, that's an offensive rookie of the year
right there. Eighty seven catches, twelve hundred and eighty two yards,
ten tuddies, like you've got a star wide receiver on
one side of the field, which theoretically only opens up
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the field more for maybe what Travis Hunter can do
down in the slot, but also there there and there's
this side of it, and this is the part of
it that I don't know, okay, and I need to see,
you know. I feel like in October we'll have a
better sense of like what what's he really?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
How is he really getting used in all of this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But I you know you've talked about this ady of
just like, Okay, corner, you can just go out and
cover dudes, right, just go cover a dude, go win
one on one.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And go cover a dude, react to him right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Wide receiver is more difficult when you're brand new to
this league and you're learning a brand new offense.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, and you've got to be in the spot. I
expect a lot of the time Travis if he saw
Shador was in trouble, and let's be honest, there is
plenty of times where Shador is just trying to buy
himself more time so he could get a play done.
He then would get to the spot that wherever Shador
could see him or Shadur would look for him and
they do some sort of playground play. Well, now, Trevor
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Lawrence needs to know if you're called in the route
and the route has you at a certain spot, I
need you there and on time, and I just don't know.
You know, I saw these people kind of freaking out
about his route running during OTA's early in the spring,
and I was like, what did you expect? Yeah, he
was not that type of receiver in college, right, he
was a corner.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, he was a freak.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
The precision that he's got to be able to develop
now as an NFL wide receiver is different. And again
that's one of those areas where it's like, I look
at the way that in the back half of last season,
Sean Payton, fai, you're out how to use Marvin Mims,
deploying him all over the field, you know, putting him
in these in these bunch formations, using him in those
kind of motion things. That the way that he was
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using him. But what he was able to do by
doing that was get him open in space. Now, Marvin
Mims was able to kind of surprise some people last year.
The moment that Travis Hunter steps onto the field, every
guy in the defense is going to be pointing at him.
But still, I think there's ways that you can use
him that are not just like I need you, I
need to see you run. And absolutely flawless twelve yard
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dig route right now, right like, I don't think he's
going to be doing that right away as an NFL
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, and I would even go, it's see, that's a
great route that you even pick as an example, because
let's go to yesterday's practice where Sherfield the wide receiver
that they got from Minnesota, and I would tell you
watch this guy. He's number five. That guy's making the
team and he could be in the mix. I'm telling you,
Sherfield has been impressive. I've had a lot of people
tell me watch him from the very start of camp
and it's been proven worthy. He had a great route
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yesterday where he ran deep, stuck his foot in the ground,
and came back to bow and they ended up with
a first down completion and what was kind of a
tough period because Bo put the throw right in the
perfect spot. But again it was the perfect route and
it wasn't And you know, Mike's Mike Sandford talked to
me a little bit about these routes last year where
you can't float one side or the other. It's got
to be foot in the ground and retrack right where
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you came from. Because that's the route they're looking for.
He's got to know stuff like that. Yeah, and just
because you get told at day one doesn't mean you're
good at it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
No, you can know it all you want, but it's
like it's repetition. It's the ten thousand hours thing of
working on that, and that's what he's got to develop
at the NFL level training camp cover John Altitude Sports,
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about another rookie cornerback. That is John A. Barn the
Broncos rookie first round pick out of Texas. Interesting answer
(26:54):
today from Sean Payton reacting to the camp that Baron
has had so far.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think one of his strengths is exceptionally bright, like extremely.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Football smart.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You're seeing things that he's doing in disguise that you'd
see from a veteran, you know, at the nickel position,
not so much outside. But yeah, I think that his
athleticism and his football IQ. You know, you don't feel
a rookie when it comes to the things that we're
doing right now. And so there are times where you
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may draft someone and you wouldn't have that same luxury.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Okay, So two things in there.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
First off, not that I think there was a ton
of question on this, but it was made pretty evident
right there. Riley Moss is on the outside, John A.
Barn's going to be on the inside, and Ja Kwan
McMillan is going to be more of a depth guy,
more of a more of a more of a dime
package kind of guy, which he's still going to see
a ton of snaps. You have to play that coverage.
You know that uniwful lot a lot on defense in
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the modern NFL. So he talked about that right there.
Barn is gonna be a nickel guy. And also, like
ask Chris Harris about it, at any time, you got to
have your head on a swivel and you have got
to have the brains if you're gonna play on the
inside very very well, because I think that's an easy
spot to get lost in the wash. All right, there's
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a lot of traffic when you're lined up on the inside.
And right away Sean is talking about this guy's football
IQ makes him an absolute natural to be able to
do that job. Like Andy, we talked about his physicality, yesterday.
How impressive a dude he just looks like but also
right now, like Jade, Baron is showing these clearly showing
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this coaching staff day in and day out. No, I'm
up to the job of being able to handle this
right away. He's gonna be the Broncos starting Nickel corner.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh, there's no doubt. And like you said the other thing,
I think that's gonna help Baron out. From what I understand,
he's been a leader. He's not afraid to talk. Yeah,
I think sometimes rookies get afraid to say something. Sometimes
you know, he's not gonna be afraid to talk. He
like you said, it's I always related to inside linebacker.
You got to know how to get through all the
mess that you're going to go through, to stay with
your guy. And then, like you said, if they move,
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if they switch, if they whatever, don't lose the fact
that that may be your guy one second and some
of these defenses, but then it isn't. Once they cross.
You know, he and another guy cross. You gotta know
who do you have, right and it may be the
guy that's all of a sudden come out you sometimes
it won't be. So I'm glad that they got him.
He's a chess piece inside. That's what I look at
him as you know or you know what he is.
(29:28):
You know what he is, Nate, He's a defensive joke,
That's what I think he is because I think you
can play him in so many different positions and he'll
have it. He'll have an impact joker. Shawn'za. He's much
more lucid these days than he was during that interview.
If you noticed on well, I mean a lot of water, sure,
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a lot of sleep. You think he's getting a lot
of sleep. Are you surprised Sean doesn't feel more stressed.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think by football coach standards, I think he's doing
okay for himself. Yeah, he he. By the way Sean
Sean Payton is is never afraid to smell his own
backside a little bit, and he he managed to today
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when talking about how smart his team is playing, how
crisp of practices that they're having, and the professionalism that
his group is showing. It was story time with Uncle
Sean today down there at Dove Valley after training camp
practice on a no pads Thursday, Sean Payton talked about
(30:42):
the art of keeping guys off the ground during training
camp practices, and he made sure to compliment himself big time.
You'll hear that audio when we come back on Altitude
Sports Radio. Ninety two to five. Training camp coverage on
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Speaker 2 (31:03):
We got breaking news, break it, breaking news, break it.
I forgot to tell Baka, Baka, whatever, don't worry, We're fine,
all right? Almost a required sports topic.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
What do he got for me?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Scary Terry McLaurin, There you go, and Baka he makes
it happen. Scary Terry. Once out of Washington. I've told
you this Broncos team I think needs a catch and
run kind of guy. That's exactly what he is. Do
you think about trying to steal a weapon from one
of last year's quarterback class for your quarterback of last
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year's class? Are we there yet? What does he do
for you? Do you still need to hold onto them
picks like grim Death last year? You didn't want to
eat trading of the picks, Nate, No trading of the picks.
You need to rebuild this team up. After watching this
team in camp for a week. What say you do
you at least try to have the conversation. Isn't he thirty?
(32:02):
He's not the youngest guy, He's not.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, he's scary. Terry is a win now kind of play.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, but didn't you say that yesterday?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
There win now.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
They're a win now team. You're right. First off, I
just want to throw this in. He's not going anywhere.
Then they'll get they'll get it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Just hurt feelings.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
This is yeah, negotiations are stalled. He's frustrated. You saw
it was weird, he reported, and they immediately put him
on the pup. That that new ownership group, which has
all the goodwill in the world and has Jayden Daniels
going into year number two, Why are you gonna move
his best skill position player? Right like they they'll get
it done, but they're currently just at the impass. So
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I think this is the next step in negotiation. That said,
if they're actually serious about it, he got a call,
don't you now, now's the time you start thinking about
pulling the trigger.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Saw what he did for Jayden Daniels phenomenal. I'd love
to see what he could do for both score thirteen
touchdowns last year phenomenal player when you agree they need
the guy, they need the guy that's a little extra
special at some position, don't they.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean in the skill position, extra special I don't
think they have.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't disagree. I think they've got plenty of real good.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Special ish Courtland Sutton can be special ish, Evan Ingram
can be special ish. But I don't think they have.
I mean, Terry McLaurin is, he's like one of those
like Mike Evans type dudes. I think he's gone for
like a thousand yards like almost every year of his career.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
He just makes place. Yeah, I'm a phenomenal player now,
I don't know. Look, man, I really believe there's more
to Marvin Mims than what they've shown of him yet.
But just there's just times where I wonder, does Sean
look at him that way?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I think he does. I really think.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't think there's any way you get to the
off season you look back at the dimension that Mims
added to your offense once you finally started to work
him in, And what's crazy about it is, and Likewall
just talked about this, the percentage of snaps that Mims
was on the field for was still relatively low, but
you started using him more effectively, Like, but if you
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want to catch and run, guy like Mims led the
NFL in yards after the catch per reception amongst every
wide receiver in the league. He was up above most
of the premiere running backs in the NFL in that
in that metric last year again it was like, did
he get the ball enough to necessarily put up massive numbers?
Not really, But if you looked on a per catch basis,
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if you if he can catch the ball and have space,
he is a devastating weapon.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I wouldn't mind adding something like that to you. Now,
you're gonna have to pay him.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I wouldn't be mad at Terry McLaurin either, you're.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Gonna have to pay him. By the way, there was
some Internet reports and I'm not seeing anything to update it,
but from the internet shows, from the old y yeah,
from there are little internet shows saying that the Broncos
and Zach Allen might be close, approaching, approaching, approaching. We'll see, yeah,
and then listen. You still got to figure out what
you're gonna do with Nick Benito. But I would be
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real interested if the price is right, I would be
angry if you went ahead and pulled that deal.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I mean that part of what you said isn't wrong.
The Broncos don't have a special skill position player. They've
got good ones, a better supply of them than we've
seen in recent years, but they don't have somebody that's special.
They don't have anybody that's Sniffin all Pros or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Hey Man talks sewn to me, Shawn me up.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So Sean Payton, it's again there wasn't much in today's practice,
and so Sean was able to talk. He started getting
into his the building of his coaching staff, the chemistry
of his coaching staff, replacing the coaches that he lost.
(35:45):
And one of the things that he talked about was
now that he is in Denver with the ownership group
and with the budget that they provide, that, as he
put it, you can win jump balls, like if there
is a popular distint that is roughly getting you know,
getting pursued by multiple teams. As the point that he
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made back in New Orleans, he didn't win many of those.
Here in Denver, he can, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He got a few more zeros he can add to
the check to make him interested.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He can retain advance Joseph. He can retain a Davis
Webb like the of the coaches on his staff. You
can get Jim Leonard exactly. He can get these guys
in here. So there was a lot of talk about
coaching staff building, and then the conversation shifted to and
I think it was a Troy Rink question about what
did you make a mimsy calling Malcolm Roach fat, which
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was also very funny, and as there was a quote
from Sean Payton about Malcolm Roach saying you can hear
him before you see him, and he's like and I
like that part of Malcolm Roach. Roach was a Saints
guy that he brought along here, so Sean clearly likes him.
And then he started getting asked about the professionalism of
this camp. We haven't seen a fight yet in this camp,
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at least not so far. There was some chirping yesterday,
there were no fisticuffs and we got two cuts to
play right here. But Sean started talking about the culture
that he is building here in Denver.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, I think do you ever go to the grocery
store and you see like a five year old just
being a terror and you don't really look at the
five year old, You look at the parent, and so
I think it's up to us as as coaches to
clearly identify what we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Mm hmmm, Yeah, this is do you look at the parent?
You still look at the fun.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I still look at the kid. Yeah, I still look
at the kid.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Hey, combo, can I get you there.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'll be honest with you. I look at the parent
and I just go, you poor, been there? All right, we're.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Past that age range. But everybody has those days. Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But John goes on to talk about his history with
heated practice and with joint practices low over the years.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
One of the things that I enjoyed and appreciated a
lot as a young coach is when we had joint
practices with New England, and I think we had four
or five of them in those seventeen years, and not
one like and I knew obviously I knew Bill well enough,
but like our players dreaded it because man, as a
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young coach, I didn't want it to be our team,
you know, with with Bill. And so once we had
that experience, it was easy to say, let's do it again,
Let's do it again, and there was never both both
teams were like, Hey, we're here to get better and
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we're not going to end up, you know, on NFL
network with one of these bench clearing and we're just
not going to do it. And so I think that
points to not just the head coach, but the collect
group of coaches. No different to that parent on ISHL eight.
You know, I mean, get your kid out of the
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cereal boxes.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
What do you think he'd save your grape thing?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think Sean Payton would support it. He would, so
he would say, you're being thorough, you're making wise decisions,
you're scouting and you're making the right selection.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You're not quick to judge.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Now he would. I think he would appreciate my tech.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Just walking by the produce filling up grapes. And that's
how about that? Though fights on NFL network, you don't
want that. It didn't happen yesterday. They got pretty live,
like you said, pretty lively, chippy atmosphere, but chirp, no fights.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
The motion was all there, but.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Point Dobbins was yelling at the entire defensive line. But
you know, let him have his say.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Do you remember the Broncos Cowboys joint practice with Hackett?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Oh yeah, that was ding Ding ding. Do you remember
the one with Sheny?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Do you remember going back to Shane when you rolled
in here with hard knocks and terror Owens was on
the team and all that, uh huh and Ryan Clady
like I don't think I'd ever seen a man Ryan
Clady till that point.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Was that the Wade Phillips Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You might be right, Yeah, you might be because Wade
was blitzing. Yeah yeah, And it was not appreciating You're
not sight No, no, it was.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It was not appreciated.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That was feisty, It really was. It was a lot
of big angry man. I was like, wow, this is
a touch scare.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
No, It's funny because the last year of the Broncos
really like acquitted themselves well against the Packers. It was
the year prior to that when Sean mcvah and the
Rams came in and that was the Rams team that
they had like thirty six rookies, Like, who the hell
are these guys? And they spanked the Broncos. They made
him look bad at their own building two days in
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a row. Two just destroyed them well, and the Broncos
went out and won the preseason game. But at that point,
like the Rams had made their point.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Didn't it didn't it? Also? When not? Also the year
was then we went there for Christmas and they spanked
him again again with Baker Mayfield by the way, you know,
you know I don't even need to know as again.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
But that it was the year Pride because that was
the Hacket, because that was what God Hacket fired.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, you know what's interesting. Oh you're you're right, because
you're right. Anyway. It's funny because when Baka puts up
that video, I know whether it's the first Cowboys one
or the second, because they've got you see right there,
they got the Guardian None of that going on in
Wade Phillips Shanehan time, Okay, we got Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Can I can I just say something? Yes I can.
It's my radio show.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Your name's on it. The Guardian caps serve an excellent purpose.
They are there to protect brain health, and I think
that that's wonderful. They look stupid, I know, get it better.
There's got to be a better design. We have all sorts.
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They all look scientific. They all look.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Like space aliens with bubble heads running around. Quite honestly,
it is the perfect intersection of makes all the sense
in the world and looks idiotic.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Please, And I get it. I know that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Safety at times isn't always the coolest thing. Every kid
in my neighborhood Andy has a helmet when they ride
their bike, and we never did as well they should.
We now know what brain injuries do, what blunt force
trauma does. We we we know more than we did
and it's good. So like progress in safety is important,
(42:41):
I'm all for.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It, But my god, they look stupid. They do the
guardian caps just like you know what more guys might
wear in regular season if you could improve the design
of them.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
And yet there's other players like two has been asked
about it of just like you know, like, hey, you
have a thousand concussions, why don't you wear one of
those because I don't want to. Yeah, well we know
what he means on that. Yeah, they just they they
look funny. I'm still not used to it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
They still look like the Saturday Night Live bit of
the motorcycle helmet protector protector, not the first one, the
second one. Yeah, you know, so so again I'm all
for I Like, I'm all yes, if you can prolong
your NFL career and have healthier neurological health later in life,
and remember your names and all that good good.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I'm all for it, and I can also believe that
they look.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Dumb, and then I think the players agree. Next thing,
you know, you're gonna tell the kids that's smoking looks cool.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Anyway, what's upon a time?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
What's upon a time? We had handy cigarettes? Never get
the back of those. They throw that thing in your
Halloween basket. Hey got candy cigarette, You're like cool? Nice?
It tast like chock. This sucks.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Can't wait till I can try the real thing. Anyway,
It's the creak Doll Show. We'll see if we're here
next hour
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it'll be a quiet week for Drake green Law the
rest of the way. But Sean Payton seemed nonplussed about it.
I would say, we know we need after his small
injury today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
With him shut it down. Yeah, don't care. Please just
start the regular He's like Peyton Manning. Just be ready
to go Game one. Just get him there as you
are a difference maker. My guy, he's.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
He's a stud, really really good player. Rocks made a
trade to Andy.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Are you psyched? Jake Bird traded to the Yankees. The
Rockies have acquired infielder Rock Reggio. A lot of Rocks
in this town. We're going to rock this town. Yanks
number ten prospect. Well, we build this city on rock
n roll.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Rock En Raggio, left hander Ben Shields, Yankees number twenty
nine prospect. But the Rocks makeing move get a couple
of minor league bodies for Jake Bird. So they so
in the end, it was it was Ryan McMahon Tyler
Kinley and Jake Bird that they moved.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm excited for McMahon. Maybe you know what Barney wants
to talk to McMahon. Part of me doesn't want to
put him in that position, but I would love if
the Yankees would just let us chat with the guy.
I don't know. You know, you and I used to
have some really good conversations with him. Him and Brandon
Rodgers are always great when we had him on the show,
Ryan McMahon, and then we just got to the point
where it's like no point having you on the show
(01:31):
the last four years.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ryan mack by the way, had to walk off hit
last night. Rockies, by the way lost five to nothing
last night, only three hits, Andy, But you know who
had one of them.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Your guy.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
He's not cooling yet. He's warming Bernabelle. You're not warming
to the idea of him being your favorite player either.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Twelve hundred if the ops remains over twelve hundred. By
the way, this is very Trevor's Storian. Did you know
this about warming Bernabelle? He's he has survived a gunshot
two years ago in the In the off season, he
and his wife were confronted by some dudes in his
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native Dominican Republic outside a restaurant. The gentleman in question
wanted Warming's chain, he did not feel like giving it
to them. The restaurant owner, who apparently knew Bernabelle or
knew the burna bells, according to Patrick's owners piece in
the Denver Post, chased them out and fired a gun
at them. One of them fired back and struck Warming
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Burnabelle in the back.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
He's okay, it's good. He's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
He was, you know, he had a tough year that
season in the minor leagues, but he came back and
it's been a good start at the big league career
so far. He had one of the rocks three hits
last night and a five nothing lost. Kyle Freeland, by
the way, a tough one out there with his illness effects.
He didn't get traded, by the way, didn't trade a
single starting pitcher. And again d mac well is he
(03:03):
is the stand for this roster. I think it's absolute
hot garbage. I don't I don't care if anybody on
this club sticks around. If the Rockies wanted to blow
it up and trade everybody, what's so funny is like
like the Twins are getting a bunch of heat today.
They traded Carlos Korea back to the Astros. They traded
Joe Ryan, Like, the Twins are blowing it up. That
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was a postseason team back in twenty twenty three, but
they have disappointed since then. Well, the Twins know exactly
what they are. They are a mid market to smaller
market club and they operate on the margins. As such,
what did the Twins do today? They traded everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's what you should do, trying to load up and
get a group of guys ready to come back and
give a go at it again, young arms, young, young whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Now again, I know the Rockies don't have Carlos Korea
or Joe Ryan, but like, don't don't get too enamored
with anything that's on your club.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Right, Okay, you're right they don't have either of those guys.
But would you not? I would have been curious to
see what a Kyle Freeland trade would have brought back
to you. Frankly, at this point, I would have been
curious to see if Ezekiel Tovar would have brought something
back to you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I would have had no problem with it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
What about Halverson.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The problem with like a like a Tovar is you'd
be selling low on him right now because he's he's
had a down year and he's dealt with the injury thing.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
All right, fair enough, but and look, he is young enough.
There's a small possibility that if you do get in
three to four years when Ethan holiday, because Ethan Holiday
to me is now the marker, you know what I mean,
when he's ready to show up, you better have a
whole bunch of at least five other six other guys
are ready to show up with.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Him, I hope.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So maybe rock Regio is going to be one of
those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So so yeah, look, did the Rockies? Did they burn
everything to the ground of the trade deadline the way
that I wanted him to know?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But guess what, it's also the Rockies. They were never
going to do that. Andy. Let's like like with this
with this club, let's take what we can get.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Takes progress.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Appreciate the baby steps that they actually traded somebody and
they moved three guys that really they needed to move.
So so I guess we'll call it progress, even if
I don't think they've gone nearly far. Enough in terms
of doing business the way that they probably should. But progress.
By the way, Paul Skeenes is pitching a course field
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on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That will be fun.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It will be enjoyable. So there's a Rocky E's thing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, no pads today, Broncos dialed it back big time.
As Sean Payton called it. He called it an ota
tempo after practice today, which it certainly seemed to be.
By the way, Andy as he was saying that, clearly
this must have been when I turned around and noticed this.
Garrett Bulls has lacrosse skills. I was watching Garrett Bowles.
(05:49):
He was because the Denver Outlaws, the PLL dudes who
they're playing this weekend, right.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They played Tomorrow night couple of games. The league plays
Tomorrow night two games, and then the Outlaw US played
twice because this is their home city and they're playing
Saturday as well. There's an eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Game at DU, and the Dams will be a DU.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Peter Barton, look at the State Cross Stadium, cool red
mountains painted on it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I talked to Brendan O'Neill, Pat Cavanaugh, and Logan mcinninnie mcninney.
He told me. I told him I was gonna screwed up.
I didn't screwed up in the interview, but the goalie
and to the like. So Patrick Smyth, for those who
don't know, if you want to get on his good side,
he was a lacrosse player at the University of Florida.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Patrick was when I walked in this morning, not right
at ten am. Uh Patrick Smythe was he He was
all in on the lacrosse thing. He didn't care at
all about the football practice behind him. He was talking
lax well.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He was sooning. I've been He and I have been
chatting for a week or two. But uh, Patrick wanted
to meet, in particular Brendan O'Neill, who's the star of
the sport. I've got an interview up on our YouTube page.
Go the Altitude Sports Radio YouTube page, look for Mammoth.
After hours, I'll tweet out the links all that stuff.
We talked all three but Brendan O'Neil is the face
of this league. He was the top pick a couple
of years ago, and he's just a very exciting player,
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and he's a beast. And Patrick said I could see
him out here now. The funny thing is the Outlaws
actually have a player named Jared Bernhardt who retired from
the Atlanta Falcons, if you want to put it that way,
to go play lacrosse again. And so he's playing with
those guys. He actually, as it turns out, tried out
for the Denver Broncos prior to making it with the
Atlanta Falcons. So I don't know if he was out
there because maybe that just wasn't the memory that he needed.
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But Garrett Bowles was a long stick midfielder and the
crazy thing that I never wrapped my because I learned
this when he showed up and there was an original
iteration of the Outlaws when the league was in different ownership.
And so we got a bunch of guys out there
one day in the field house and Garrett went through
drills with them and threw the ball. But again for
those that know I was watching him today, he had
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the long stick. But here's the thing. Most of the
long sticks usually stand down by the goal and play defense.
Garrett was a long stick midi, which means he went
out there and ran the old field with the long stick.
The long stick, and his job was to take the
ball away from your best stick handler. I mean when
I think about that time, well wester stick, I'm just saying,
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to think about Garrett Bowles to be the athletic to
play the position he plays. What always blew my mind.
It's like show hey o Tani being able to pitch
and hit dong.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Was he the long stick guy just because he's so
huge as a person normally.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes, if he stayed by the goalk, not the dude.
You got athletes that got to run. You've got to
run the full field, and oftentimes they've got to be able.
A guy just set the fastest shot record with a
long pull at their All Star Evant Okay one twenty five.
I think they were telling me one five. I talked
to the goalie Logan, I go, what do you do?
Cause again we see guys try to face hundred mile
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an hour pitching. What's the fastest pitch speed? You know,
I believe it's the raldest. Chapman tapped one oh five.
I mean, can you even imagine trying to pick? So
I asked the goal igo, how do you because normally
they have white heads holding a white ball. Yeah, and
Logan's like, you just got a guess you got no shot?
He goes. I got a general idea where he's probably going.
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But that's like trying to hit a fastball, you know
what I mean? Yeah, one oh five? Could you imagine?
What how quick would one o five be past you?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Did you happen to see?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
By the way, at Wimbledon this year, the dude set
the fastest serve record.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What did that go for? One fifty three? I can't
even think of serve? Could you even process the ball
coming at you by the time it was by you?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Giovanni petchi pera card I'm looking up the name right
now and I'm probably butchering it. Uh, but one fifty
three on the serf. You want to know the funny part?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It got returned.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He lost the point?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Did you and I watch that on?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Didn't you?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
When I see that? Yeah, the guy just stuck his
racket out, got the return and ode. You didn't even
need to swing the thing was moving so fa he.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Won the damn point. Unbelievable. You hit a one fifty
three served you lose the point? Killer, Yeah, which is
very funny that it went down like that for him.
But yeah, I think fastest pitch on record is it's
got to be a rold As Chapman and I'm spitballing that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But imagine he's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Got it up behind you. Here we go, Yeah, Alan
baka brow. Look at the batter's reactions. Ridiculous bucko five. Yeah,
you imagine catching it. I played catcher a couple of times.
I can't even imagine locat eight to catch it. And
the one that Baca just showed us that was up
a little bit, Like you said, it's not he was
just hold the glove there and he's gonna hit it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, you gotta get that thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
React to that sucker.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So generally this is as long as as long as
he knows fastball, he'll be able to get there. Catchers
only really get crossed up if a guy throws the
wrong pitch, Like you can miss a location and a
major league catcher is pretty much always gonna make. But
if you throw the wrong pitch, that's when they get
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messed up. Like if he called fastball and you throw
a slider.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
The ref is wearing it, that's everyone's wearing it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's called a pass ball. That that's gonna be a
part of your life right there. Yeah, you that that
that part of the agreement is critical. You actually have
to throw the pitch that everyone's agreed on.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Did you see there was weird one I think in
the Rockies game the other night. Which what do we
have here? One oh six? Oh baka found? So who
is that is that? Chatman?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Still Chatman?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay? One oh six? Did you see in the Rockies
game where the ball went off like the bat I
want to say, went off like the batter. The guard
hit the umpire and then hit the batter again like
he caught it on the back.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh that's a bummer.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was facing it. It hit ricocheted off, the pitch
ricocheted off, I want to say, his guard caught the
umpire's mask and then drilled him in the back.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So one oh five point eight that was that was
what that pitch was one from Chapman.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Come on, it's one o six.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's the essentially one oh six. Yeah, the fastest pitches
on record. Chapman has one, two, three, four or five six.
He has eight of the fastest nine.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Don't you want to just at one time? I don't
want to have to try to hit it. I want
to be at a safe distance. But like what I
wish they could get a camera on the batters, give
me the batter's eye right of what even one hundred.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Looks well, and like a guy like Chapman.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Chapman is also one of those one of those huge
dudes I always thought of in Randy Johnson famously in
the All Star Game with Larry Walker. But the thing
about Randy Johnson that I think would have been the
most terrifying was his pure size. Like he but by
the time he was releasing the ball, it was you know,
it's supposed to be sixty feet six inches, but like
think of like it fully extended. Randy Johnson after a
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long stride, he's fifty four feet away from you, that
ball is on top of this, you lost six feet instantly.
Like I think the same thing anytime I see Josh
Hater pitch, it's just like he's so damn tall, and
even if he doesn't have like the same gas he
did back in like his Brewers days, it's just like, bam,
it's just right there.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I don't know how you do anything.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
With schemes throwing these. Is he a fastball guy? I
mean he's like four pitches, he's a triple digit guy.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, he he can bring the and generally
Schemes wants to sit around ninety eight because he's hoping
to you know, he's hoping to throw a hundred and
ten pitches every single outing, terrifying, terrifying, one O two.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
See this BAKA experience is funny. He just throws graphics
up on the big board behind us. He doesn't care
about you radio.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This actually is really helpful to me because because Andy,
you have a tendency to pepper me with questions that
I don't know the answer to.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm gonna go and I'm like, let me look it
up instead. We got pocket to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Hey, guys, when I used to do this back in
the day, this big screen wasn't available.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'm enjoying its toy to play with.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We we greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you very
much for that. Cragn to Lindall, I got a Travis
Hunter question for you when we come back. Wait, because
we're starting to get Travis Hunter snap counts. Yeah, this
is some fun stuff. God bless the training camp reporters
down in Jacksonville giving us the Travis Hunter snap counts
(14:20):
on both sides of the ball. What is this all
going to look like? I've got I've got a nuanced,
very specific Travis Hunter question to ask you about how
they're gonna count on him this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
We'll do that next.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Westwood one, Westwood one. All right, Andy, we got this
from Jacksonville. Okay, this is courtesy of Michael Droco of ESPN.
Travis Hunter training camp, snap counts. This is always one
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of those where they're always like, like you guys count
snaps training camp. Sean Payton already called out to me
about it during OTAs. Yeah, but like on this one,
this is different. Somebody needs to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, because, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We're talking about a guy that's gonna be a two
way player in the NFL. The Jaguars have have made
it clear that is their plan with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So what is it going to look like? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So this is this from Michael Dorocco today. This is
total Travis Hunter snaps through seven Jags practices one and
thirty nine snaps seventy two on offense, sixty seven on defense.
So damn near fifty to fifty right seven on seven
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he's taken eighteen snaps eleven offensively seven on defense. Andy
listened to this and eleven on eleven sixty one offense,
sixty on defense. Team has run three hundred ninety three
total snaps so far. Hunter has been on the field
for thirty five percent of all snaps. But also, like, okay,
when you hear that number, just think of the context
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of well, yeah, but the second and third teamer has
got to get their works work in as well. So basically,
like when you hear that he's on the field for
one third of all snaps, that's almost everything the first
in the first string offense and defense are doing right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, which is interesting because a lot of people didn't
think he'd get this kind of even work.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Hunter is scheduled to play both sides of the ball
for the first time in camp during the Jaguar scrimmage
at Everbanks Stadium on Friday, so he will play both sides.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This is interesting. Okay, scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Didn't know anybody went scrimmage anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Broncos they Sean said Saturday will be scrimmage, Like, all right,
that was how we bet it. But these guys are
going into the stadium to do the whole thing, all right.
So here's something that I've been wondering about with with
Travis Hunter right now and with the Jaguars specifically, is
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Andy you were You were on record and to your credit, man,
you've been. You've been screaming this since Travis Hunter started
up in Boulder two years ago, and you were the
sideline reporter. You said better corner than a receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes, still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And he's like he was. He was top three in
college football at both so pretty damn good. Here's one
thing that I wonder about, though, with with this Jaguars
team is who's their new head coach? Our guy Liam Cohen, yep,
offensive guy, play caller extraordinaire. Did a very good job
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with Tampa Bay last year, and in particular when he
had a healthy Chris Godwin working out of the slot
like he used him a ton.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
With Baker Mayfield, you got Baker.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Dealing again too. Give him some credit that looked like
the old Baker Mayfield really did.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right, if you're the Jags and you're a brand
new head coach and Liam Cohen and you want to
win immediately, and they should want to, by the way,
since Shag Cohn has been the owner of the Jaguars
more losses than any other team in football, so you
know there's a lot of organizational pressure for them to
change that very quickly. Okay, offensively in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence,
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Travis etn Brian Thomas is a very good receiver on
the outside. If you put Travis Hunter in the slot.
And if you're the Jags and you look at it
and you say, if we're gonna win games, we're gonna
do it on offense. We're gonna do it with fixing
Trevor Lawrence and with the play calling available to Liam Cohen. Now,
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I don't think Liam Cohen's got the same quality of
offensive line necessarily in Jacksonville that he had in Tampa Bay,
but skilled position wise, it could be pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
If the goal is quick turnaround.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Do you emphasize Hunter on offense more as an offensive
minded head coach because you think he will make a
greater immediate impact on wins and losses for our team
on that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
All right, first, let me I'll tell you where I Stan.
Tell you where he Superfrey, tell you where a Stan.
I'm that's an old Scottie saying, okay, background my impact. Look,
I feel good about my prior statement than being a
better corner because all the all the folks I've seen
talking on NFL Network can get up have talked about
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what a great quartering is and he's a shutdown the
side we've seen with Patrick sand Stands. So I understand
where you're coming. His ball skills are incredible, Liam, Liam Cohen,
I can understand, like you said, wanting immediate boost to
his offense, wanting to maybe use him more there. The
reason why I would not is he can get you
the ball back more if he's shutting down half the
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field and you've got the pass rush because he's that
kind of player.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And turnovers can swing games for you, maybe even more.
And I don't need to because of fifty to fifty
league turnovers are kind of everything.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't need him out there run blocking. I don't
need Travis Hunter a part of one plays. You know
what I mean, I don't think they're going the right.
But that's another reason why I dial the plays back.
I don't need a full time starter on offense. Let's remember,
see you barely ran the football right. He doesn't need
to be out there getting caught up rolled on during
some run play because you know, got too close to
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the line or just stupid stuff happens in football plays.
We see it all the time. Sure, so I am
limiting him. If he comes out there, he's going to
be a threat to get the ball. The other team's
going to know it. I don't care if I get
ten to fifteen plays offensively out of him. Again, he
won't want this. If you're hearing this, he'd be yelling
at me and all that other stuff. But again, what's
best for my team and my opinion is you're my
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big play, home run threat. I'm gonna use you in
the long yardage. I'm gonna use you on the third
downs or whatever it is, or wherever I feel like.
Maybe if it's like one of the old handoffs at
midfield after the big play or after the turnover where
I try to get the quick strike.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's I mean, the rpo stuff that you can do
with him. The amount of motion that you can put
him into, Like it's the possibilities are endless what you
can do with him. And oh, by the way, go
win a fifty to fifty ball. Travis Hunter is gonna
win a damn fifty to fifty ball.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But I'm keeping you on defense, brother, whether you like
it or not, I drafted you for defense. That's just
what I'd have to talk to him about. I mean,
are you are very special as that player. They're still
trying to refine some of his route running too, if
you remember it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, without a doubt, he's got to have specific cuts,
you know what I mean. I think the nuances of
the wide receiver position are going to limit him. But
where I will push back on you is what you're
telling me, is I Andy Lindall, coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
This is how I would do it. What I look
at is yeah, But what's Liam Cohen gonna want to
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do with this?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Sure enough, there is gonna be to your point of that.
You know, not only just Liam Cohen, Shod Cohn, the
owner of the franchise. They need some excitement. Trevor Lawrence,
as excited as I was to watch Trevor Lawrence play
some football. He's not been what I expected in the NFL,
and I gotta imagine the people in Jacksonville at times
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are probably like, man, we gave this guy fifteen million
a year for this. They need something to finalize and
excite the fan base. And the fact that you've got
remember Travis Hunter was a college football star. They love
their college football around where Jacksonville plays. And to your point, yes,
I'm sure I would not be shocked if in the
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early going or his rookie year period he isn't more
of an offensive threat to get people in the seats.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And Thomas his rookie season last year with the Jags,
like again, any other year where you don't have Jayden
Daniels and Brock Bauers and bow Knicks, Brian Thomas's season
is like, oh, that's an offensive rookie of the year
right there. Eighty seven catches, twelve hundred and eighty two yards,
ten tuddies, like you've got a star wide receiver on
one side of the field, which theoretically only opens up
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the field more for maybe what Travis Hunter can do
down in the slot, but also there there and there's
this side of it, and this is the part of
it that I don't know, okay, and I need to see,
you know. I feel like in October we'll have a
better sense of like what what's he really?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
How is he really getting used in all of this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But I you know you've talked about this ady of
just like, Okay, corner, you can just go out and
cover dudes, right, just go cover a dude, go win
one on one.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And go cover a dude, react to him right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Wide receiver is more difficult when you're brand new to
this league and you're learning a brand new offense.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, and you've got to be in the spot. I
expect a lot of the time Travis if he saw
Shador was in trouble, and let's be honest, there is
plenty of times where Shador is just trying to buy
himself more time so he could get a play done.
He then would get to the spot that wherever Shador
could see him or Shadur would look for him and
they do some sort of playground play. Well, now, Trevor
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Lawrence needs to know if you're called in the route
and the route has you at a certain spot, I
need you there and on time, and I just don't know.
You know, I saw these people kind of freaking out
about his route running during OTA's early in the spring,
and I was like, what did you expect? Yeah, he
was not that type of receiver in college, right, he
was a corner.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, he was a freak.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
The precision that he's got to be able to develop
now as an NFL wide receiver is different. And again
that's one of those areas where it's like, I look
at the way that in the back half of last season,
Sean Payton, fai, you're out how to use Marvin Mims,
deploying him all over the field, you know, putting him
in these in these bunch formations, using him in those
kind of motion things. That the way that he was
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using him. But what he was able to do by
doing that was get him open in space. Now, Marvin
Mims was able to kind of surprise some people last year.
The moment that Travis Hunter steps onto the field, every
guy in the defense is going to be pointing at him.
But still, I think there's ways that you can use
him that are not just like I need you, I
need to see you run. And absolutely flawless twelve yard
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dig route right now, right like, I don't think he's
going to be doing that right away as an NFL
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, and I would even go, it's see, that's a
great route that you even pick as an example, because
let's go to yesterday's practice where Sherfield the wide receiver
that they got from Minnesota, and I would tell you
watch this guy. He's number five. That guy's making the
team and he could be in the mix. I'm telling you,
Sherfield has been impressive. I've had a lot of people
tell me watch him from the very start of camp
and it's been proven worthy. He had a great route
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yesterday where he ran deep, stuck his foot in the ground,
and came back to bow and they ended up with
a first down completion and what was kind of a
tough period because Bo put the throw right in the
perfect spot. But again it was the perfect route and
it wasn't And you know, Mike's Mike Sandford talked to
me a little bit about these routes last year where
you can't float one side or the other. It's got
to be foot in the ground and retrack right where
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you came from. Because that's the route they're looking for.
He's got to know stuff like that. Yeah, and just
because you get told at day one doesn't mean you're
good at it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
No, you can know it all you want, but it's
like it's repetition. It's the ten thousand hours thing of
working on that, and that's what he's got to develop
at the NFL level training camp cover John Altitude Sports,
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about another rookie cornerback. That is John A. Barn the
Broncos rookie first round pick out of Texas. Interesting answer
(26:54):
today from Sean Payton reacting to the camp that Baron
has had so far.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think one of his strengths is exceptionally bright, like extremely.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Football smart.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You're seeing things that he's doing in disguise that you'd
see from a veteran, you know, at the nickel position,
not so much outside. But yeah, I think that his
athleticism and his football IQ. You know, you don't feel
a rookie when it comes to the things that we're
doing right now. And so there are times where you
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may draft someone and you wouldn't have that same luxury.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Okay, So two things in there.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
First off, not that I think there was a ton
of question on this, but it was made pretty evident
right there. Riley Moss is on the outside, John A.
Barn's going to be on the inside, and Ja Kwan
McMillan is going to be more of a depth guy,
more of a more of a more of a dime
package kind of guy, which he's still going to see
a ton of snaps. You have to play that coverage.
You know that uniwful lot a lot on defense in
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the modern NFL. So he talked about that right there.
Barn is gonna be a nickel guy. And also, like
ask Chris Harris about it, at any time, you got to
have your head on a swivel and you have got
to have the brains if you're gonna play on the
inside very very well, because I think that's an easy
spot to get lost in the wash. All right, there's
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a lot of traffic when you're lined up on the inside.
And right away Sean is talking about this guy's football
IQ makes him an absolute natural to be able to
do that job. Like Andy, we talked about his physicality, yesterday.
How impressive a dude he just looks like but also
right now, like Jade, Baron is showing these clearly showing
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this coaching staff day in and day out. No, I'm
up to the job of being able to handle this
right away. He's gonna be the Broncos starting Nickel corner.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh, there's no doubt. And like you said the other thing,
I think that's gonna help Baron out. From what I understand,
he's been a leader. He's not afraid to talk. Yeah,
I think sometimes rookies get afraid to say something. Sometimes
you know, he's not gonna be afraid to talk. He
like you said, it's I always related to inside linebacker.
You got to know how to get through all the
mess that you're going to go through, to stay with
your guy. And then, like you said, if they move,
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if they switch, if they whatever, don't lose the fact
that that may be your guy one second and some
of these defenses, but then it isn't. Once they cross.
You know, he and another guy cross. You gotta know
who do you have, right and it may be the
guy that's all of a sudden come out you sometimes
it won't be. So I'm glad that they got him.
He's a chess piece inside. That's what I look at
him as you know or you know what he is.
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You know what he is, Nate, He's a defensive joke,
That's what I think he is because I think you
can play him in so many different positions and he'll
have it. He'll have an impact joker. Shawn'za. He's much
more lucid these days than he was during that interview.
If you noticed on well, I mean a lot of water, sure,
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a lot of sleep. You think he's getting a lot
of sleep. Are you surprised Sean doesn't feel more stressed.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think by football coach standards, I think he's doing
okay for himself. Yeah, he he. By the way Sean
Sean Payton is is never afraid to smell his own
backside a little bit, and he he managed to today
(30:19):
when talking about how smart his team is playing, how
crisp of practices that they're having, and the professionalism that
his group is showing. It was story time with Uncle
Sean today down there at Dove Valley after training camp
practice on a no pads Thursday, Sean Payton talked about
(30:42):
the art of keeping guys off the ground during training
camp practices, and he made sure to compliment himself big time.
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Speaker 2 (31:03):
We got breaking news, break it, breaking news, break it.
I forgot to tell Baka, Baka, whatever, don't worry, We're fine,
all right? Almost a required sports topic.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
What do he got for me?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Scary Terry McLaurin, There you go, and Baka he makes
it happen. Scary Terry. Once out of Washington. I've told
you this Broncos team I think needs a catch and
run kind of guy. That's exactly what he is. Do
you think about trying to steal a weapon from one
of last year's quarterback class for your quarterback of last
(31:40):
year's class? Are we there yet? What does he do
for you? Do you still need to hold onto them
picks like grim Death last year? You didn't want to
eat trading of the picks, Nate, No trading of the picks.
You need to rebuild this team up. After watching this
team in camp for a week. What say you do
you at least try to have the conversation. Isn't he thirty?
(32:02):
He's not the youngest guy, He's not.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, he's scary. Terry is a win now kind of play.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, but didn't you say that yesterday?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
There win now.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
They're a win now team. You're right. First off, I
just want to throw this in. He's not going anywhere.
Then they'll get they'll get it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Just hurt feelings.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
This is yeah, negotiations are stalled. He's frustrated. You saw
it was weird, he reported, and they immediately put him
on the pup. That that new ownership group, which has
all the goodwill in the world and has Jayden Daniels
going into year number two, Why are you gonna move
his best skill position player? Right like they they'll get
it done, but they're currently just at the impass. So
(32:44):
I think this is the next step in negotiation. That said,
if they're actually serious about it, he got a call,
don't you now, now's the time you start thinking about
pulling the trigger.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Saw what he did for Jayden Daniels phenomenal. I'd love
to see what he could do for both score thirteen
touchdowns last year phenomenal player when you agree they need
the guy, they need the guy that's a little extra
special at some position, don't they.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean in the skill position, extra special I don't
think they have.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't disagree. I think they've got plenty of real good.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Special ish Courtland Sutton can be special ish, Evan Ingram
can be special ish. But I don't think they have.
I mean, Terry McLaurin is, he's like one of those
like Mike Evans type dudes. I think he's gone for
like a thousand yards like almost every year of his career.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
He just makes place. Yeah, I'm a phenomenal player now,
I don't know. Look, man, I really believe there's more
to Marvin Mims than what they've shown of him yet.
But just there's just times where I wonder, does Sean
look at him that way?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I think he does. I really think.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't think there's any way you get to the
off season you look back at the dimension that Mims
added to your offense once you finally started to work
him in, And what's crazy about it is, and Likewall
just talked about this, the percentage of snaps that Mims
was on the field for was still relatively low, but
you started using him more effectively, Like, but if you
(34:05):
want to catch and run, guy like Mims led the
NFL in yards after the catch per reception amongst every
wide receiver in the league. He was up above most
of the premiere running backs in the NFL in that
in that metric last year again it was like, did
he get the ball enough to necessarily put up massive numbers?
Not really, But if you looked on a per catch basis,
(34:27):
if you if he can catch the ball and have space,
he is a devastating weapon.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I wouldn't mind adding something like that to you. Now,
you're gonna have to pay him.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I wouldn't be mad at Terry McLaurin either, you're.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Gonna have to pay him. By the way, there was
some Internet reports and I'm not seeing anything to update it,
but from the internet shows, from the old y yeah,
from there are little internet shows saying that the Broncos
and Zach Allen might be close, approaching, approaching, approaching. We'll see, yeah,
and then listen. You still got to figure out what
you're gonna do with Nick Benito. But I would be
(34:58):
real interested if the price is right, I would be
angry if you went ahead and pulled that deal.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I mean that part of what you said isn't wrong.
The Broncos don't have a special skill position player. They've
got good ones, a better supply of them than we've
seen in recent years, but they don't have somebody that's special.
They don't have anybody that's Sniffin all Pros or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Hey Man talks sewn to me, Shawn me up.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So Sean Payton, it's again there wasn't much in today's practice,
and so Sean was able to talk. He started getting
into his the building of his coaching staff, the chemistry
of his coaching staff, replacing the coaches that he lost.
(35:45):
And one of the things that he talked about was
now that he is in Denver with the ownership group
and with the budget that they provide, that, as he
put it, you can win jump balls, like if there
is a popular distint that is roughly getting you know,
getting pursued by multiple teams. As the point that he
(36:08):
made back in New Orleans, he didn't win many of those.
Here in Denver, he can, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He got a few more zeros he can add to
the check to make him interested.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He can retain advance Joseph. He can retain a Davis
Webb like the of the coaches on his staff. You
can get Jim Leonard exactly. He can get these guys
in here. So there was a lot of talk about
coaching staff building, and then the conversation shifted to and
I think it was a Troy Rink question about what
did you make a mimsy calling Malcolm Roach fat, which
(36:38):
was also very funny, and as there was a quote
from Sean Payton about Malcolm Roach saying you can hear
him before you see him, and he's like and I
like that part of Malcolm Roach. Roach was a Saints
guy that he brought along here, so Sean clearly likes him.
And then he started getting asked about the professionalism of
this camp. We haven't seen a fight yet in this camp,
(36:59):
at least not so far. There was some chirping yesterday,
there were no fisticuffs and we got two cuts to
play right here. But Sean started talking about the culture
that he is building here in Denver.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, I think do you ever go to the grocery
store and you see like a five year old just
being a terror and you don't really look at the
five year old, You look at the parent, and so
I think it's up to us as as coaches to
clearly identify what we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Mm hmmm, Yeah, this is do you look at the parent?
You still look at the fun.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I still look at the kid. Yeah, I still look
at the kid.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Hey, combo, can I get you there.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'll be honest with you. I look at the parent
and I just go, you poor, been there? All right, we're.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Past that age range. But everybody has those days. Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But John goes on to talk about his history with
heated practice and with joint practices low over the years.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
One of the things that I enjoyed and appreciated a
lot as a young coach is when we had joint
practices with New England, and I think we had four
or five of them in those seventeen years, and not
one like and I knew obviously I knew Bill well enough,
but like our players dreaded it because man, as a
(38:26):
young coach, I didn't want it to be our team,
you know, with with Bill. And so once we had
that experience, it was easy to say, let's do it again,
Let's do it again, and there was never both both
teams were like, Hey, we're here to get better and
(38:46):
we're not going to end up, you know, on NFL
network with one of these bench clearing and we're just
not going to do it. And so I think that
points to not just the head coach, but the collect
group of coaches. No different to that parent on ISHL eight.
You know, I mean, get your kid out of the
(39:07):
cereal boxes.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
What do you think he'd save your grape thing?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think Sean Payton would support it. He would, so
he would say, you're being thorough, you're making wise decisions,
you're scouting and you're making the right selection.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You're not quick to judge.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Now he would. I think he would appreciate my tech.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Just walking by the produce filling up grapes. And that's
how about that? Though fights on NFL network, you don't
want that. It didn't happen yesterday. They got pretty live,
like you said, pretty lively, chippy atmosphere, but chirp, no fights.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
The motion was all there, but.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Point Dobbins was yelling at the entire defensive line. But
you know, let him have his say.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Do you remember the Broncos Cowboys joint practice with Hackett?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Oh yeah, that was ding Ding ding. Do you remember
the one with Sheny?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Do you remember going back to Shane when you rolled
in here with hard knocks and terror Owens was on
the team and all that, uh huh and Ryan Clady
like I don't think I'd ever seen a man Ryan
Clady till that point.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Was that the Wade Phillips Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You might be right, Yeah, you might be because Wade
was blitzing. Yeah yeah, And it was not appreciating You're
not sight No, no, it was.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It was not appreciated.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That was feisty, It really was. It was a lot
of big angry man. I was like, wow, this is
a touch scare.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
No, It's funny because the last year of the Broncos
really like acquitted themselves well against the Packers. It was
the year prior to that when Sean mcvah and the
Rams came in and that was the Rams team that
they had like thirty six rookies, Like, who the hell
are these guys? And they spanked the Broncos. They made
him look bad at their own building two days in
(40:48):
a row. Two just destroyed them well, and the Broncos
went out and won the preseason game. But at that point,
like the Rams had made their point.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Didn't it didn't it? Also? When not? Also the year
was then we went there for Christmas and they spanked
him again again with Baker Mayfield by the way, you know,
you know I don't even need to know as again.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
But that it was the year Pride because that was
the Hacket, because that was what God Hacket fired.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, you know what's interesting. Oh you're you're right, because
you're right. Anyway. It's funny because when Baka puts up
that video, I know whether it's the first Cowboys one
or the second, because they've got you see right there,
they got the Guardian None of that going on in
Wade Phillips Shanehan time, Okay, we got Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Can I can I just say something? Yes I can.
It's my radio show.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Your name's on it. The Guardian caps serve an excellent purpose.
They are there to protect brain health, and I think
that that's wonderful. They look stupid, I know, get it better.
There's got to be a better design. We have all sorts.
(41:57):
They all look scientific. They all look.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Like space aliens with bubble heads running around. Quite honestly,
it is the perfect intersection of makes all the sense
in the world and looks idiotic.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Please, And I get it. I know that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Safety at times isn't always the coolest thing. Every kid
in my neighborhood Andy has a helmet when they ride
their bike, and we never did as well they should.
We now know what brain injuries do, what blunt force
trauma does. We we we know more than we did
and it's good. So like progress in safety is important,
(42:41):
I'm all for.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It, But my god, they look stupid. They do the
guardian caps just like you know what more guys might
wear in regular season if you could improve the design
of them.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
And yet there's other players like two has been asked
about it of just like you know, like, hey, you
have a thousand concussions, why don't you wear one of
those because I don't want to. Yeah, well we know
what he means on that. Yeah, they just they they
look funny. I'm still not used to it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
They still look like the Saturday Night Live bit of
the motorcycle helmet protector protector, not the first one, the
second one. Yeah, you know, so so again I'm all
for I Like, I'm all yes, if you can prolong
your NFL career and have healthier neurological health later in life,
and remember your names and all that good good.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I'm all for it, and I can also believe that
they look.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Dumb, and then I think the players agree. Next thing,
you know, you're gonna tell the kids that's smoking looks cool.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Anyway, what's upon a time?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
What's upon a time? We had handy cigarettes? Never get
the back of those. They throw that thing in your
Halloween basket. Hey got candy cigarette, You're like cool? Nice?
It tast like chock. This sucks.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Can't wait till I can try the real thing. Anyway,
It's the creak Doll Show. We'll see if we're here
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