7-31-25 Hour 3 - High 5, Broncos

 High 5, Broncos 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five. You want football, this
is the place to get football, including right now with
the five biggest stories of the day from around the NFL.
Nate Krkman, Andy Lindall, Alan Bachatt filling in for Mark
Springer today, Baka, what do you got for us?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
All right, guys, this is day you know whatever it
is of training campal They're all we I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Here's Sean Payne after practice to day.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I don't think of roachs as fat, but I I Malcolm,
you hear him before you see him, and I like
that energy about him. I thought the thing I liked
about yesterday it was fiscal practice, and yet there was
no one really crossing the line. And and it's it's
hard to do when it gets warm, and but I
thought both sides of the ball, you know, handled the pads. Well,

(01:12):
we got a lot of we got better yesterday and
so today was gonna be you know day where they
were a little bit tired and and you just got
to be smart with the approach during practice. But yeah,
I wouldn't have picked Mems and Roach like I would
have picked so many other combos. But when I read
that one, that was like surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Good rivalry right there. But it is two guys that
are good with the microphone in front of them, and
that's Marvin Mims and Malcolm Roach. A couple of good
personalities right there. Mims isn't all pro, so he's not
afraid to give it to a bigger guy. That's that's
some good stuff right there. It's Malcolm Roach is you know,
he has what we'll call any functional heft, and that's

(01:54):
that's a good thing you need to have. And if
you're gonna play defensive line in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
He has the body for the job.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yes, you know, it's the old What does it look
like I do for a living?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
All right? You look like you play football? Guess what
he does? So there you go.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
I will tell you I've got extra sensitive for him
because I'm like the guys, I keep saying that I
will show you fat.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Most of us calling the guy fat are actually fat.
He's not really all that fat. He's just big bounce.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
So uh So when nalan was was with me a
couple of weeks ago, whatever that was, he he made
the point to call out his wife on these very
airwaves for as he put it, letting that fat ass
roll on top of you. How because when you see

(02:46):
Nyalen now he looks yeah, phenomenal is he is?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
He is?

Speaker 6 (02:51):
He healthy looking, he looks great. He veered a little
far to not so healthy. He looks great right now?
He really he looks Yeah, he looked terrific. He's coaching
at MI. I t the guy looks great. U. But yeah,
when you see like the shape of his face as
a NFL offensive lineman versus what he looks like now,
it's nothing even close.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, and you know what I.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Tell Tom, though, if we were really getting to the
to the quick about this, you didn't help things with
the facial expressions you made for your pre media shot.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
The old, the lifeless stare of a serial killer that
you love to get. And he's a weird a captured perfectly.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
We all know that. Uh huh, I can't believe you
let that guy roll on top of you.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
None of us need the image.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Quite the visual that.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Is, I mean good description for radio. I could do
without it.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
So here's your your Bronco updates from today. Dra Greenlaw
exited practice today, uh due to an injury. The veteran
got up after covering JK. Dobbins in a one on one,
was a little ginger, then headed back to the locker
room after practice. Peyton said he thinks he's fun. I

(04:00):
felt to get tight. They'll do precautionary work, but he
said he thinks he's going to be all right.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
So probably done for the week.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, I would assume. So we had the quad thing
in the off season. Obviously, the achilles in the Super
Bowl a couple of years ago, so they'll be careful
with him. This is it is the same week really
where Drew Sanders got hurt, where Alex Singleton broke his thumb,
and now green Laws walking gingerly. So the linebacker group
has been a little bit snaked bit early on. Outside

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of that, Broncos have had pretty good health.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
So hold on.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
They signed Garrett Nelson. That's not really a big deal.
Uh huh, sad news to get Garrett Nelson.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
On the roster. Yeah, they waved the linebacker Johnny Walker.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Sorry, not my neighbor, Johnny Walker, that's right, but the linebacker, yes,
Johnny Walker not And I wonder if the linebacker's house
is as haunted as Johnny Walker. My neighbor's Tonny Walker
living in old mister boyco shack.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Those are those are some deep k an out that
is right there, COVID radio that we got no sports.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Let me tell you a tale.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You know what? You know what that is? Andy, that's
a segment the PD would play for us.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Now that well many would then. I think the old
one wanted to.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
But what was he gonna tell us to do as
an alternative? What else were we were supposed to talk about?
The underground Russian table tennis?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Learned learned a lot about Johnny Walker. Was that up
there with Gilbert Arenas's uh grim poker? It's with the missus?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh my gosh, did you see the update to that story?
We'll have talk about that.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
There's a lot of things are like, no, it's all true.
A lot there, yeah, like no, no, I don't know.
Did you link at the table.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he did it. Hey we now
all right, your friends you got there? Gilbert?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Go ahead? Uh? Alan, go ahead? All right?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Are you guys are big Hard Knocks fans?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't usually watch it, but if this is the
kind of content that we're gonna get, yeah, I might
be in.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
He has no Galileo Galilee was born in Pisa. He's
the one who challenged the theory that objects fall faster
if they're heavier, believe it or not. Without him, we
just think that a heavy object falls faster than a
light of object.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And that's just not true.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
The centripical force.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
It's actually the force of acceleration of gravity, which is
negative nine point eight not negative, but nine point eight
one meters per second.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
What squared?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Galileo Galilee?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
That still doesn't Who is our guy that couldn't pronounce?
What was his problem?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Salmon? Uh? Remember a Raider guy?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That? Yeah, Salmon that that's obviously a classic right there.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
And we had the linebacker from the Browns that would
later sign with the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
That was what was his name?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
He was into the financials. He's trying to give financial advice.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh yes, yes, yes, Why am I spacing his name.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Carl, Yes, yeah, that's him.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, anyway, that those.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Are the classics. Jarry Jones and his salted McMuffin.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, it's not enough sodium on there for you, Jerry
Kid and the Captain.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
This is already not starting out to be a good day.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Galileo, Galilee, Josh Allen went to a few classes at Wyoming.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
It sounds like.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So listen to the morning show yesterday.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
And Carl Nassim, by the way.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Carl nacid thank you. Brett brings up the topic of
the Cold Play couple. The cold guy the CEO. But remember,
and this was the part of it, honestly that I
had also forgotten. The guy was the the CEO in
this company, was called Astronomer. And so Brett introduced the
topic as do you remember that astronomer guy and Vic
Ghost Galileo.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
You know why Vic knows that, You know why that
came to his.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Mind because he's Italian.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
The Queen song hell.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Fig Row Bohemian Rhapsody. That's it, that's the jam right there,
Go ahead, down.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
All right, guys, I got some Sean Payton here talking
about the running back room. But before I do that,
I got into kind of a little rabbit hole about
the running backs. Do you guys know when the last
one thousand yard rusher was for the nug for the
Nuggets for the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I believe it was C. J.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Anderson, Melvin Gordon.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think you're both wrong. I'm pretty sure you're both wrong.
It's Philip Lindsay. Oh yeah, pil who, by the way,
did it two years in a row. And if you
guys can get the last running back for the Broncos
that got it two years in a row before him,
you know you got extra points.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Clinton portis yes, wow, all the way back to Clinton.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
So just I mean, think of the Shanahan era, like
it was a new guy every year, and they on
that he would really quick. From let's see, from ninety
five to seven, eleven of the twelve years the Broncos
had a one thousand yard rush. From two thousand and
seven to now to last year, guess the number three, five, five?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Can you name them?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
No, really, probably couldn't. Well let's see, let's see if
I can't, so we'll go with Lindsey.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Oh, I think I know one. Willis mcgahey.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, mcgahey would have done it. No, Sean did it. Yeah, yeah,
twenty thirteen. No, Sean did it because it was every
it was four man nothing but four man boxes. It
was just like all he had to do was get
into the into the second level and it was like, hey,
it's a gain of nine. And the defense was like
cool Manning didn't throw a touchdown. We're fine with it. Uh,
let CJ get one? Yes, yeah, CJ did, so we're
up to out four. So far one more. Tatum Bell?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yes, Oh my gosh, ce Tatum Bell. What a year
or two after he came here with Champ and was
traded for glyntn Ports, was.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It oh five? When Bell did it the thunder and
Lightning year with Mike Anderson, it was all six.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I was gonna say he was split in time with Anderson.
Remember Anderson was the big boy back.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Right, but Tatum Man, Yeah, he had some home runs
that year.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Clinton Portis was so fun.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
I was saying to Steve Atwater the other day, I
miss I wish we had a Clinton Portis type again.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So we had Frank Schwab on the show while you
were on vacation, and we were talking about his like
all quarter century team and like Clint he said he
had a tough time leaving Clinton Portis off the running
He ultimately went Derek Henry Adrian Peterson, which it's like
you can't argue with that at all of like the

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last twenty five years the top two running backs in
the NFL. But on his like honorable mention, like he
had Clinton Portis's name right there, and I brought up
that I was a little bit surprised by it, and
he was like, he was awesome.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
You gotta go back watch the highlights.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
He had got five.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Touchdown game against Kansas City, Right, dude, he was so
good and he was the guy where you got in
the open field gone like, hey and TD two the
greatest backs in this franchise history and two completely different stypes.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
But man, I mean obviously I'd take either one of them,
but gosh, they were so much fun.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, Clinton Portis, I think we all forget because he
got traded how good he was.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Man if baka, if you want to ever just hit
us with remember some broncos we're always yeah, it's it's
you're you're scratching us right where we Itch.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Port has had the ultimate camp quote firm Frank can't
do suck man can't really do.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Frank had that written out of whiteboard of the Broncos
media room for like a decade after it. By the way, Yeah,
just just that that's a quote that doesn't stop. Uh.
Craign and Lindall will take a break when we come back.
I want to. I want to revisit my AFC West
take from earlier in the show, now that you've had

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time to let it marinate, Andy, are you more on
my side or are you pulling away? Don't pull away.
It's the Krukman and Lindall Show. Here's a piece of
trivia for you. Andy. The actor Rammy Malick, who played
Freddie Mercury in The Queen Bye Pick, said I had

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never heard Queen in my life until Wayne's World.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
That was how all be honest, Like Wayne's World came out.
I don't know. I was probably ten when Wayne's World
came out, ten eleven, whatever I was. That was the
first time I had ever heard Bohemian Rhapsody. Obviously, I
had heard we Will Rock You, we Are the Champions,
all that sort of thing. Arena did classic rock radio
hits that you hear, but I had never actually heard

(12:31):
Bohemian Rhapsody until the movie Wayne's World. All time great scene,
all time, great movie. I would even argue, but yeah,
that's really like that movie gave this song brand new life.
It's a great song to begin with, but you add
on the Wayne's World guy's headbanging in the back of
the car and singing along with it, it's even more fun.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
This was the equivalent to modernize it.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Okay, of when mass Sture of Puppets was featured in
Stranger Things last season and everybody went nuts for it,
along with that running Up Running, Running Up that Hill or.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Whatever Kate Bush because.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
The first half that they put out Kate Bush was
the hit, and they waited and put the second part
of the series out and Master of Puppets featured in
a prominent scene, and Master of Puppets like they had
all these Stranger Thing fans flocking to him, and that
Metallica performed it with the guy Eddie who was in the.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Scene, I believe, along the same lines. I can't remember
which Nirvana song it was. Was it in bloom anyway,
it was one Nirvana song that was like in the
Batman movie.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
It's It's Something's in the way.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Okay, yeah, there you go, thank you. It was because
of TikTok and people put the scene on TikTok and
then all of a sudden, it was like all these
gen Z kids started loving Nirvana.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Oh it's a perfect song for that movie too. That's
a good movie. I like the New I hope we
get a second one before they're all dead.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Had the Twilight Kid in there. Yeah, now he's.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Complaining he's gonna not be Batman anymore, be too old
to make the sequel.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I thought it was a good movie.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Robert Pattinson, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
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Speaker 4 (14:13):
See. I like how Bacca lets it breathe a bit.
He does like spring hates music. He's just like, yeah,
it's done. Nobody wants to hear that. We gotta get
to the Galileo takes.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Already, your nerds, Galileo Galilee, Galileo Galilee. You know. Josh
Allen googled that right before practice and was just like, well,
I know I'm gonna be miked up on hard knocks,
so I can't wait to drop this and everybody.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Now, I don't know who Galilego Figuo is.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think Galileo Galilee. It just sounded good, Calileo Galilee.
When you're dropping the last name, that's when I know
you read the Wikipedia.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
You just memorized it off cliff notes.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
We've all taken that test.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Look, Josh Allen, everybody already likes you. Okay, good, you know,
gotta try to.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Mar the wife everybody enjoys in the movies.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You're one of the most likable people in all of
professional sports. Just let it breathe.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
My god, better super couple Josh and his lady friend
Haley Steinfeld swifties and and Travis Kelsey like get a
lot less of Josh Allen and Hailey Steinfeld. So that's
fine with me.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
They're the ones.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I believe Travis Kelsey's going zero to two against the
Broncos this year.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
You do, I do? You're confident?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I do? I think I think Denver's winning both those games.
November sixteenth, Broncos played Kansas City Christmas Day at Kansas City.
But you'll have both of those games this season November December,
so a little bit later in the season and Andy
as I give this take, I allow for and it

(15:59):
just christ all that stuff. Right.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Listen, anything we say prior to the first game is
just fodder for the summer.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's and it's also based upon all things being equal
when it comes to football health, because if you start
going well, I don't know, they might be injured the
same their.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Their complete and desired roster is performing in front of
us right now, they will be you have somebody somebody, yeah, yeah,
this team right now won't be the team there. The
pick of their starting twenty two will not be the
starting twenty two come Christmas.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
In the meantime, I'm looking at this Chief's depth chart.
First off, let's start with the part where the Chiefs offense.
It was a rough watch last year. They weren't that good.
They weren't what we're used to, no, and it was
it was a lot of RPO based stuff that that
Patrick was running, and quite frankly that the downfield stuff

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that Mahomes was trying to get to develop and be
able to really take advantage of, like the speed of
Xavier Worthy for example, it wasn't there for me because
the offensive line just was not holding up Mahomes just
did not have that group in front of him. You
take a look at their offensive line coming into this season.
They have a rookie at left tackle, and they have
competition at both left guard and at right tackle. Okay, now,

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they're very good, like they're elite to lead elite at
right guard with Trey Smith and center, which with Creed Humphrey.
But the other three spots, you're talking about a rookie
and then competition at a couple of other spots. Broncos,
by the way, I just want to note, have no
jobs available on their offensive line. There's backup jobs, there's
depth jobs to be one to be sure, but all right,

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they're starting five is set?

Speaker 5 (17:50):
I might push back on that in what position Mike
mcglinchy looks a little bit slowed. I'm telling you, I
like Palcheski and I think THEO I do too. Now again,
I haven't looked at the contract. There'd have to be
some money savings, and I do feel like I'm not
telling you. I'm not telling you I'd expect it. But
how about this, if you and I on July thirty,

(18:12):
first MLB trade deadline day, were to pick the surprise veteran,
because you and I both know this, there's gonna be
a veteran that gets cut that surprises us. I would
not put him out of the realm of possibility. I
still put it as unlikely. But I'm telling you I
like Palcewski. I think he plays hard, I think he
plays well. I think he gets the job done. And

(18:33):
if you can save some money, I don't know if
it'd be out of the realm of reasoning.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
You don't save money, well then it hurts.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Probably If it hurts, then.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Cap pit twenty three point eight, dead cap thirty nine
point one. Yeah, the out is next year. Next year
when his cap pit'll be twenty three point eight, but
the dead cap will be fifteen point three. So the
Broncos if they were to let mcglinche go after this
upcoming season, they'd save about about eight millillion bucks.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Well, look, and I like Mike. I think he's been
a good leader. I think you've got your your money's worth.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
To this point. I think all that.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I think you still hear this.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
But I'm telling you, Palcewski, I would I'd find a way.
I would not count him out. I'm just putting it
that way. And I don't think he'd be taking Garretts.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I think they like him, but but business the number
saying it happens next to you.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
You'd have to trade him at those numbers.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, Okay, back to the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Back to your two and zero prediction against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Rashee Rice is going to be suspended. Yeah, we don't
know how long yet.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
When you guess four games, I feel like for what
it's that that's kind of their go to.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah. Probably maybe he appeals it down to two.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
But Hollywood Brown already has an ankle injury, so he's
already banged up and they were hoping to get him
back in healthy this upcoming season. Now Xavier Worthy is
is you know, very good. But after that, like it's
the the depth comes back into question. They don't have
elite receiving talent. Travis Kelcey is old and distracted. Okay.

(20:07):
I think look, I think Travis Kelsey's a future Hall
of Famer. I think he's gonna show up and he's
going to be a pro. I don't think he's what
he was. No, and by any stretch.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Like he's got a taste of what a nice off
the field life could be like.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And the point that I keep on bringing up is okay.
So right now, the Chiefs have competition at both of
their tackles. No, I say both their tackle spots. I
believe Josh Simmons, the rookie first round pick number thirty
two out of Ohio State, will start at left tackle.
At right tackle right now, it's a competition between Juwan
Taylor and Jalen Moore. They tried to have Kingsley Suaya Mattea,

(20:40):
the former second rounder out of BYU over there last year.
He was really bad. I think he started at left
guard the last game against Denver last season, the blowout.
He is probably going to be their starting left guard.
But also Jalen Moore, who they kind of signed as
a fifteen million dollars wing tackle, maybe gonna be their

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starting right tackle, but he's also getting reps over at
left guard. The point here being is that it's an
offensive line that is in flux right now. Their skill
position talent is I will call it banged up and troubled,
and they're gonna be going up against a Denver front
seven and a defensive line of DJ Jones Zach Allen,
who is probably about to get paid and JFM, along

(21:23):
with those two beasts on the outside, along with oh,
by the way, now Dre Greenlaw in the middle of
this Denver defense, They're gonna have themselves a hell of
a time. I don't think the Chiefs matchup well with
the Broncos. I think right now, in the matchup, and
I'm saying this about an offense that as Patrick Mahomes
at quarterback and the matchup of Denver defense versus Kansas

(21:44):
City offense, the Broncos defense is better.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. Now, I always have
a tough time. It's just built in. I think when
you're raised in Denver, you don't pick the Broncos to
win in Kansas City, no matter who the quarterback is.
Only Maning did it consistent in December. In December especially,
but Kansas City period's always been a problem.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
For this team.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
But you're right, it's been an absolute nightmare in December.
And I think there are distractions that come along with
a Christmas game. Remember we heard about everybody was playing
the role with me Car, whate was me Car. They
had to play on Christmas A couple of years ago
when they went to La I I look, I thought
you you had a great question. I think you asked
it right, saying power rank, your your confidence in the division.

(22:30):
To me, I feel like the Broncos will go to
and oh against the Raiders. I would if I had
to predict a second sweep, it would be the Chiefs
because Chargers.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, and look, I'm not saying it makes a ton
of sense.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
The reality is the Broncos struggled against the Chargers last
year and they're up on him in the second game, right,
and they couldn't finish the.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Job and it was wild.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
And I think that I think the Chargers are only
going to be more physical and tough to deal.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Here's my problem though, My big problem is that I
have a hard Patrick Mahomes is l way Manning Brady
Montana pick.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
You're great.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah he is, And I get uncomfortable all assuming he's
gonna just let it fall apart.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I mean I don't think he is. I think he
will be terrific, but again, like look back at look
at his numbers last year. Sure, pedestrian, you're right, and
when they had a lot of these same problems and
it's like, yeah, did that team squeeze a lot of
fourth quarter games out with twelve one score victories that
they had a season ago. Like, I know that Mahomes

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has football voodoo. I get that, but like there is
a there's one hundred years of NFL football history that
will tell you if you are doing that one season,
you are regressing to the mean the next, because that's
just the law of football averages. One score games are
coin flips and you cannot live on them forever.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Fair Enough, I will say this, the Kansas City Chiefs,
I think no, because they've done it before. They don't
have to have home field advantage to get and win
to the get to the super Bowl and win it.
So maybe they don't like you could get to that
Christmas game in December. Maybe they're not freaking about out
about the priority of things are locked up and all that.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
But I'm trying to think, no, you're right, You're.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Right, yeah, because remember they went to Buffalo, then they
went to Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
They beat them both. Yep. The year who did they
play that year? Was that San Frayan again a couple
of years ago. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Now, this is an interesting text from a Texter because
I thought about this and they verbalized it.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
We talked about Terry mcclaurin here.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
How much woud your opinion change if the Chiefs decided
to go all the way in to get to.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
The first team I thought of was Kansas City. How
am I going to pay him? Is my question?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
How, But they keep finding a way to pull all
these little moves off here.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I don't think they can.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
They got Joe Toney quite on.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know what, though, like like hasn't this this has
been sort of like the kind of running joke in
recent years is just like anytime a big name receiver
becomes available, everyone's just like, well, he's gonna go to
the Chiefs and they almost never do.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
No, they don't do it because they do think the
cap thing does factor in. And again, if you were
he'd be interesting. Would McLaurin drop his new contract demands
to get to play with a true Super Bowl contender?
Although I don't think Washington was a game away. Oh,
I was gonna act like they're not.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, I was gonna say like he could just stay
there and play for the Manders and and and have
a chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, could be interesting. I don't know. Look, the Chiefs,
this is the year to get them. It would feel like.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think I would say that that they get got
You're You're right. I didn't think they were good two
years ago and they won the Super Bowl. I really
didn't think they were that good last year and they
went to the Super Bowl. Defensively, it's the thing that
they have going for them is obviously Mahomes and Reid,

(25:55):
and then with that defense and Spag's game planning, by
the time they get to the postseason, that that's that's
where they're dangerous. But I'm not asking you to beat
them in the playoffs. I'm asking you to go to
to zero against them in the regular season. And that's
when I'm grading strength on strength. And I think that

(26:16):
this Denver defense, which Andy, they are freaking smothering right
now in this training camp, and they were. They added
to strength with green Law and Hufonga and and barn
so that this secondary is absolutely loaded. I think this
Denver defense is the best unit in the AFC West,

(26:41):
and it very well could be the best defense in
all of football. I know Philadelphia and Baltimore would like
to have something to say about that, and I know
that Charger defense is good. I'm not ready to kick
them out of bed. But this Denver defense is the
best unit in the entire AFC West.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
And it's why nobody can scoff at the thought at
Denver actually going to and zero against him this year.
And if you were to get them home in the playoffs,
I would like your chances because they've struggled at Nevertheless,
they should have Denver should have snapped a stupid streak
dad against him a long time before they did. Yes,
they just remember the Melvin Gordon fumble at the end
of remember coach Coach having to deal with Melvin Gordon

(27:19):
fumbling away that chance for them to finally win that thing.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
There were opportunities themselves.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Even Dance Joseph, Dude, Dance Joseph had a shot when
all this started in Patrick Holmes Patrick mahomes first year
as a starter back in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Story is, by the way, the rumors started flying this morning,
Andy that Zach Allen is getting close, He's he is approaching.
They they think that the finish line is within sight
to get a deal done for Zach Allen. Again, that's
only going to be another nice culture builder for the
Broncos right there, because Zach Allen is very respected inside

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that room.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
You know what I don't remember if I I think
you and I talked about it, is Sean Payton a
player coach. And I think when you think players coach,
sometimes we think of like a Wade Phillips or somebody
like that who tends to not be quite the disciplinarian.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's funny to me because honestly.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
The style of coach that Sean Payton is doesn't feel
like something i'd label a players coach. But his guys
get paid, his guys seem to like him, and he's
not quite the Josh McDaniels, let's beat the crap out
of him guy that I thought when he got here.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Like Nathaniel Hackett is the is I think, like the
television image of what you think is a practice as
a players coach. He's out there at practice, he's goofing
around with guys, he's high energy, he's in there taking
running back reps at practice, goofing around with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Like that was your typical players coach, right.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
And as it turns out, Well, no, because he sucks.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
It's just a clown.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, he's not a good football coach. Like really, in
the modern parlance of the NFL, with guys knowing everything
that they now know today about what this game does
to their bodies. The players coach is they that gets
anybody paid? And the way that Shawn talked about Courtland,
I think the way that he's handling this Zach Allen thing,

(29:08):
that's guys will look at that and they will say, Yeah,
that's the guy that's my player's coach right there. This
is an organization that's going to take care of me,
and some of it helps with where Sean works. Chi Ching,
Chi Ching. They got money around these parts. Yeah, these
things don't hurt at all. Rocky's made a trade today.
We'll tell you what they got in exchange for a

(29:32):
reliever that really has not been good. Uh that In
a couple other notes before he wrapped things up on
a Thursday afternoon, Creigman and Lyndall, I've been doing training
camp coverage all day long here on Altitude Sports Radio,
powered by Ramo's Law, the official injury law firm partner
of Broncos Country Quieter Day as the Broncos ramped it

(29:53):
up physically yesterday. Today they backed it off. They pumped
the brakes on the physicality, which they earned.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I mean, it was an intense couple of days.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It was a hot practice Yesterday. They've been in pad's
the last couple of days. Today, no pads. Just got
to work and really, like, honestly, Andy, I mean, I've
watched that football practice today, Like, I don't know, it's
a good audric estimate run up the middle, but it's
rotten play without pads, so who knows. I noticed a

(30:22):
Trent Sherfield make yet another catch from bow Nicks Bow
once again had success throwing the ball into the net.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Can you throw to your guy Brian too? I thought
Pat Brian had a couple of nice catches.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Pat Brian had some nice snags out there today. He
continues to impress. I like him an awful lot, not
just because he went to Illinois. It really looked like
he has comported himself well so far in this camp.
But again today was given what the last couple of
days was. Today was a little bit of ho hum.

(30:54):
We'll see if a rams back up tomorrow, Andy and
I will both be out there. We'll let coverage for
you tomorrow three to six.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
We might even have a little interview or two after
to play for you. So stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
We have a Rockeys trade today. They did sell somebody today,
Andy Jake Bird in.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
His twenty five six ERA for the month of July.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Jake Bird has flown to the Yankees. That's right, the
Rockies trading Jake Bird to New York for two prospects.
Those pros prospects being infielder Rock Reggio Rack and left
hander Ben Shields. Reggio the yankees number ten prospect according
to Pipeline, Shields number twenty nine on Rock Regio Andy,

(31:40):
he is currently I believe, playing for double a summer
set right now in the Yankees organization. So I assume
he'll be off to Hartford. I would think that that's
where he is going to go. Reggio's a fourth round
pick of the Yankees last year after wrapping up his
collegiate base career at Oklahoma State.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah, so is there a small party that just goes
Rock Raisio?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
No, Why why did the Yankees seem to like former Rockies?

Speaker 4 (32:15):
They picked up DJ lem.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Mayhew, Mike Tuckman, the Sockman.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Didn't they weren't they? Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
The closer too, out of No out of Vino was
a Yankee for a while.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, the Rockies do have some good players.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean they do.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know they do. Why, Like they desperately needed a
defensive upgrade at third base. That was why they went
and got Ryan McMahon. They the Yankees bullpen, I believe,
in the month of July has been the second worst
in baseball to only Colorado's and that is why they
added Jake Birds. So they were clearly needs right there.
I mean, DJ at the time made all the sense

(32:48):
in the world to the Yankees, and one of the
biggest reasons was DJ. Lem mayhew Is one of them.
Was one of the best opposite field hitters, including opposite
field power hitters, in all of baseball. Well rightfield, the
Yankee Stadium is basically the shortest porch in the game.
So DJ made all the sense in the world. He
was an MVP candidate his first season there with the Yankees.

(33:08):
But the guys that they've gotten, like you bring up
out of Emo right there, for example, Like that's a
good player.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Now, I if you were a yelp, Tulo never made
it to the ink.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Did he finally become a Yankee? I can't remember. He
did finally become a Yankee? Did he?

Speaker 5 (33:25):
If you're a Yankee, if you're give me, give me
the guys, give me the Was there one.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Major leaguer in the deal rock Regio?

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Right? But you said he's down in the minors and.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Ben Shields, they're both prospects. The Rockies did not get
a major leaguer as well. They shouldn't just get prospects.
That's good.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
You know why you shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Does the guy pull the Trevor's story and with the
personal Dave he gets traded to the Rocks from.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
You on that team? Yeah? Man, that's during the Yankee
system and now you're off to Colorado. I tell you what?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Okay, So the you know, in the trades that the
Rockies have made, they got a couple of pitchers in
the McMahon deal. They get Shields today, they got Austin Smith.
If you're a young pitcher and you get traded into Colorado,
your reaction is, oh, f nobody wants to come pitch here.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Well, you know what I was worried about the other day,
Austin Gomber was having a good start his last home
game and then of course just gets torched by the
sixth inning or whatever, Yeah, and walks off the mound
talking to himself, which to me is never a great sign.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Oh, he does not want to be on his team anymore?

Speaker 5 (34:28):
How bad do you think he wanted to prove his
words so he could get out of here by the
deadline right right?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Well, or in the very least, just be ready to
leave town as soon as he possibly can and get
some longevity back to their career. Like this is a club.
And again this is where I look at what they've
done at the deadline and two pictures. They've added four
pitchers to the system at this deadline. Okay, that's good,
Sure you need because the Rockies need quantity more so

(34:56):
than anything else because they are just going to run
through so much pitching talent. Obviously they don't move Marquez.
That that sucks because he's gonna walk at the end
of this year and you're gonna get nothing for him.
But also, honestly, Andy, like I.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Don't he wasn't exactly pitching.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I don't know what the demand was for Marquez right now.
I don't know what the demand was for Freeland, Like
there wasn't gonna be any demand for Senza. This is
this is a part of the issue. Is is that
you know, and like if you.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Waited too long, Nate, you could have done this two
years ago and actually got something.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I actually didn't see. Did the I don't think the
White Sox moved. Oh no, they did. They move Lewis Robert.
I don't think they did. No, so Louis Robert is
still with the White Sox. But like even the White
Sox last year, as bad as they were, still had
pieces that they could move. Colorado is so bad right now.

(35:50):
There's just not a lot of demand for players that
are in this on this team, in this system at
all right now, Like Tovar would have had your highest
trade value. Probably look at that.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Look at the list the Twins put.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Up there today. The Twins, they moved. They moved Carlos Correa,
he went back to the Astros. Yeah, the way waved
no trade clause, which of which is wild. Uh. They
moved Joe Ryan today, Harrison Bader went to Philadelphia, he
went to Bata went to Philadelphia. But what did they move?
Eight guys? Nine guys today did the Twins.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Three, four, seven, eight, nine, ten to eleven.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right, this is and if you're and look, if you're
a Twins fan, I'll like, I get it out. I
was trying to like these guys all that kind of thing.
But like, there's the Twins six games under five hundred
right now, with like no misconceptions about what they are. Oh,
we're a mid market franchise. We've disappointed this season. It's
time to reload. And that's all they did today.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, I'd love to see. It's great.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
We see the names they got rid of. How about
the hole they got back?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh, exactly.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Love to see the guys in the rank. And I'm
sure it's tough to find the chart.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
This is what's smart. Smaller market club said.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
They did it two years later. You and I started
the show in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
The Rocks were coming off that that wild card beating
of the Cubs.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Got eighteen just those were good teams.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
They were good teams.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
But then by nineteen twenty we knew you're not a
good team anymore, and we were screaming. We were screaming
in nineteen trade Marquez, you could get a king's ransom.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Look at there we go. Look at all the players
they got back.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
You know who who else was saying that they're no
good back then was Nolan Arnado and then he got
traded for it. And by the way, you didn't get
anything in that teen.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Players in return for the Twins, thirteen of them.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Okay, I just I want to point out one thing
really quickly, just to kind of put a bow on
this conversation. So, even with everything that happened to the
deadline and Korea moving obviously was very big, but the
biggest trade of the year in baseball still was Boston
shipping Rafael Devers to the Giants. Have you seen what

(37:59):
he's been doing lately? The answer is nothing. The answer
is making outs, okay, and right now the Red Sox,
even without getting anything spectacular in that deal, the Red
Sox look brilliant because they're not paying the freight on
Rafael Devers anymore, who has been incredibly mediocre for the Giants,
so much so to the point that the Giants aren't

(38:21):
even in it anymore. Like the the NL West was
kind of a four team race for a while. This
year it's Dodgers and Padres. Now Diamondbacks fell off, they
traded Suarez.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Giants traded just Strimpsky.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Today it's there was a bunch of moves getting made
by these clubs right now. So it's like again when
that deal went down, everyone was like, oh, this is
brilliant for the Giants. They gave up so little to get.
What are the Red Sox doing right now? Well, the
Red Sox have been one of the best teams in
all of baseball since that deal went down, and Devors
has been nothing special for the Giants. Like, this is
one of those days where you know, whatever team you

(38:53):
are that's buying it the deadline, you were so pumped
about all the pieces that you were acquiring. It's just
a good reminded everybody. Let it breathe, see what you
really got. Okay, Is Jake Bird the guy that we
saw in July for the Yankees with a with a
nineteen plus era or is Jake Bird gonna be the
guy that he was for the first four months of

(39:14):
the season for the Yankees.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
We're not sure. I do know. Ryan McMahon had to
walk off hit last night, so that.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
For him, good for him.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, But by the way, Bakia, did they get that
Yankee game in today. Did they finish it? Okay? Did
the yank win okay? So they beat Tampa. By the way,
it was the last series in New York against the
Rays this year, so they had to get that game in.
That's gonna do for Cracktman on Lindall here this afternoon.
We're we're wrapped for the day. That was an awful
lot of fun. We're back tomorrow at three o'clock. Sandman's

(39:42):
going to be hanging out for an hour Mike Sandford,
so we'll be doing the football with him. We're talking
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