8/12/25 Hour 2 - The potential fall of Hard Knocks, Broncos Super Bowl hype in the media, the most famous NFL player

00:00 The potential fall of Hard Knocks.

20:40 Broncos Super Bowl hype in the media.

38:00 The most famous NFL player.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
It is.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Tuesday, which means we get a fresh ep of Hard
Knocks tonight. Trade excited with the Buffalo bills. I mean, Andy,
I'm gonna watch. I'm always I am a Hard Knocks viewer.
I will say episode one of the Buffalo series might

(00:45):
have been the lamest episode of Hard Knocks I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, I can't disagree with that. Number one is always
a little slow. Yes, that was. You know. One of
the most interesting thing about my Hard Knocks viewing experience
a week ago was I discovered a documentary called The
Yogurt Murders that I actually was more into.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, was it like fro yo or like Greek yogurt?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh dude, it's froyo California? All right, pretty gnarly case man.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Okay, all right, well that sounds Why a yogurt shop?
Why do you want to kill people that just want
to have a low fat snack.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh, there's a lot of intrigue already. So I'm one
of five in looking more forward to that, frankly than
Hard Knocks right now. That thing better spice up.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
If you want to make it more boring, have Terry
Pegula give you a tour of a fro yo shop.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh my gosh, so that episode, how long before you
get the stadium tour? Is that going to be what
you're describing that? That's what it was?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Did Pagola and Josh Allen wandering through the thing? Allen, Gee,
mister pa, this looks terrific.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
What are you gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
The thing was an infomercial for the Bills?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well? Is that not what this is turning into with
coach is control?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, with the organizations having editorial control. This is what
I worry about now with Hard Knocks is like, you know,
we didn't have an off season Hard Knocks. We didn't
get it because why because the first season was too good,
Because that the Giants and their giant mess was too good,

(02:23):
and letting Sakwan walk and Mara Bean pissed off and
bold declarations being made by the front office, and then
the Giants go out and stink and it suddenly nobody's
gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Sa Quon's MVP of the league and win in a.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Super Bowl exactly like you know in season hard knocks. Uh.
Last year I thought was good. The AFC North, I
thought it was good, but the training camp won, especially
when everyone has this much time on their hands right
now at this time of year, I just think the
editorial control that you're given these teams is it is
killing the show. It's it's taken. And this will soundly

(02:55):
a silly statement, but follow me for a second. It's
kind of taking the soul of this show away.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm with you because we used to see real, like
real actual football. It created the human element.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
One of the things that I'm most bummed about when
Marcus Washington was in here last Thursday, he couldn't believe
they got rid of it was the cut scenes, right,
and I realized we're trying to be a more sensitive society,
and I'm for that. But there were a lot of
guys that gave you a great example of how to
handle a firing because guess what, whether it's the NFL
or real life what we're all doing, it's gonna happen

(03:29):
to you. Remember the the the.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Joe Philbin season with Miami, Yeah, and O Joe Sinko
ends up getting axed and Philbin is calling him in
and they got the you know, the camera up there
in the court. It was terrific television. It was absolutely gripping.
It was wonderful.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
What about that tight end? It add to dad and
Cleveland juiced to juiced Yeah, and he had to go
tell his dad. I'm bummed I didn't make it again,
but I think he ends up getting signed two days later.
I actually was actually interested in him and his kind
of funny dad.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean, you know, and again we're only one episode
into it, but this has kind of been the trend
as they've gone away from the the end of the
roster guys, which oftentimes they're the most compelling stories. The
will they won't they are they gonna make it story?
You know, the injuries that pop up. You know, it's
it is gripping, like these guys fighting essentially for their
professional football lives, and instead it's like, all right, well,

(04:23):
here's here's some more Josh Allen sound bites for you,
And Josh Allen's a perfectly likable guy, but he's just like,
what what's all that compelling right now? With Josh Allen
on this show? Dion Dawkins like, how is it possible
to make Tokyo drifting look boring?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Somehow? He did?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, you know, White like good personality, Turtavius White. I
enjoyed all that, but again, like just like handing out
ice cream again, it felt it felt like product placement
more so than anything else. This was a show that
you know, we used to go inside the code meeting rooms.
They would mic up, you know, hilarious assistant coaches, remember

(05:04):
Bob Wiley and Cleveland, the big fat guy you know
who's gut would bounce every single time that he would
say hut like that.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Compairing animals to how you got to attack exact Tyler Columbus,
by the way, sat through one of those as he
was with him in Washington.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
You know, I think of the Jets season with Rex
Ryan just being so completely oblivious of you know anything,
Let's go eat a bleep and snack f bomb every
other word, and it was it was so good. And
now because the league is shifted to giving the editorial
control to the organizations themselves, and the coaches are reviewing
all of this. What you get is last night, which

(05:40):
was maybe or last week excuse me, maybe the most
boring episode of the show that I've ever seen. And
yet I bet you if you were to ask Terry
Pagula or Sean McDermott or Josh Allen, they'd be like, Oh,
you were bored by it, and you maybe don't want
to watch anymore. Perfect that's awesome for us?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Is it also thrown in there the fact that they're
a good team. I feel like the fact that the
Bills the Bills. The only thing they get approve is
when January shows up? Sure, and can they get past
the Chiefs, which I even kind of felt like it
was touched on, but like glossed over completely the heartbreak
of a year ago. Yeah. Completely. They just showed a

(06:18):
bunch of happy Bills fans waiting for that first preseason
game or whatever they're doing right.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
And quite honestly, if you wanted to do a show
about Bill's Mafia, that would be about our buddy del
Reid and about everybody else from in the Insane fans
of Buffalo go around to the businesses where the Browns
bars and everything else.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like, I'd be all for it.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think that, honestly would be more interesting than what
we got out of the football team in episode one.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, and give me some flashback to the meetings, to
watching that tape again, to the pain of how do
we get past these guys? Right, give me some of
that Tomas to be the most just again like Thurman Thomas,
I'm I'll just stay in here and I'll speak in
ex jock cliches to all of you guys.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And this is supposed to service some inspiration for the
upcoming season, like what are we what are we doing here?
And and that's that's what sucks about it is that
that truly did used to be one of the best
shows on television.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Now here's why I'll give it a little bit of hope,
and I think it starts this week once they finally
get the preseason going. But see to your point, you've
got to follow guys trying to make the team. I
don't need Dion Dawkins and Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
You don't want to on the team. Dawson Knox's wife
pack his suitcase.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Cool girl. Wow, Yeah that this is this is thrilling stuff. Yes, yeah,
there's no I want to see conjuiced telling his dad.
I'm stressed. I'm not going to get enough chances to
prove myself.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think there's an interesting show in there that they
just decided not to. They didn't even mention that Tomorrow
Hamlin died on the field. He was on the show.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
That didn't mention.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It was just like, here's here's a famous Bills player
whose name you heard of, and you know he talked
about again his his you know how his religion and
his faith helps him in his football life, all of that.
But it's just like this, this is the story you're
telling right now? Yeah, what's going on right here?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
But I felt like I was watching a boring infomercial
for the Buffalo Bills, right and I didn't want to
buy it. Tell you what, it's Tuesday. Okay. I need
some power rankings in my life. Okay. I have a
list that sits in front of me of every team
all time that's been on Hardkno, that's been on hard knocks.

(08:39):
Let's rank some teams, shall we? Okay? But I can't
do it until I get a little of the he
Man sounder in my life spring? Would you please there?

(09:00):
It is soon to be a live action movie. All right?
Did you like he Man or Fisto better? Who is Fisto?
This is one of his Should I have known was

(09:22):
one of his bals I that he called? What was it?

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Look at the names of some of these people. I
mean I knew there was Skeletor man at arms, many faces,
many faces, Uh huh Fisto? Just that they all had
the dumb punching action looking like Chris Farley trying to
fire you up as the motivational speaker. Why you know

(09:51):
what those toys suck? Why have they not remade Masters
of the Universe starring Dolph Lunder and yet they've remade
every the other They're literally doing action on serious shared
leto is Skeletor? Are they bringing back Courtney Cox? I
don't think so. I don't know who gets to play Shira.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Why was Courtney? She wasn't even a he Man character.
It was there was some like interdimensional time travel thing
going on in the show. Why just give me he Man.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Because you made a movie based on a damn toy
that wasn't really all that popular. I just want Dolph
Lundron to be stabbing skeletor in the face. I think
they got yeah, I think they got another like European
bodybuilder guy to oh good and run around with the sword.
That's important.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Doing roids in the basement with Brigitte Nielsen can't say.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I can't say how you got all right? He Man
was juicing. Come on, nobody lives in the dumb Castle,
by the way, he Man and Brett Boone rather than
rank ardnoc seasons. Let's remember some Mitchell report. All starts today. Yeah,

(11:08):
Luis Gonzalez is alone.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Brady Anderson, anybody? Oh yeah, fifty one home runs for
the Baltimore Orioles. I think his previous career HI had been.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Like twelve and then just done after that. Okay, all right,
we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. Yeah,
all right. You want to know one of the teams
that I thought was low key, I'd probably put him
as my number five team. Okay. And maybe it's just
the nostalgia of us watching this season as you and
I started our show together. But when the Raiders did it,

(11:38):
and it was twenty nineteen for those who don't remember
that was you know why that was so interesting and
not because of Derek Carr's Giant Baby. You had Antonio
Brown and the sagas that were Antonio Brown. Yeah, and
they kept haf to dancing around the storylines of the
fact that the dude was at camp then wasn't at
camp allegedly. Remember his feet got burned in the cryo chamber.

(12:01):
He hated his helmet, ye, and all they could show
him on the show, like, I don't think he talked
the entire time, got in the fight with with Mayock. Yeah,
but he didn't. He he kept showing up and working out.
But I'm not sure you had a lot. I guess
he had a couple of lines. His kid wanted to
know where Ben Roethlisberger was. That ain't our guy, and

(12:22):
you're with me? Well that was interesting because they drove
He and Mayok get in the car. Yeah, he's listening
to eighties hair but hand at four in the morning
as they drive to start camp.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
By the way, you see today Gruden lost his lost fell.
It's it's going this is this is not going to arbitration. Nope,
Gruden's gonna get his day in court as a rule money.
That's that contract that I believe. I'm I think I'm
gonna kind of enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
What's funny is like I feel like when I think
back on seasons of Hard Knocks, I remember specific moments
more so than anything else. Rex Ryan's let's I don't
think that was on hard Is.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
That not there? We made fun of it. He came
out somewhere, Oh it was Wes Welker made fun of
it at a press cort.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
He did, Yes, he made fun of it at a
press conference. He was talking about somebody having good feet
and not just sounded like Rex Ryan or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Rex Ryan and Gwent and Tarantino both the bigfoot guys.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
No the the.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Now Let's go eat ap bleeping snack after ripping his
players so good, so good that that one was was
completely unforgettable. Do you remember the the Baltimore season?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I remember them. Was it Sharp hit ray Lewis's car?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Everybody did the every and at the Rookie Show they
all did their best Shannon Sharp impression, and like Sharp
was not amused by it, and his teammates.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Were just crying. Last thing that was good.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I remember that one being very strong.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Do you remember the Dallas So the Dallas Cowboys were
on there a few times. Okay, first, the Dallas Cowboys
were on there in eight. They'll remember that was the
Shanahan the Wayne Clady fight year.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
The Wade Phillips Oh oh wait, the Wade Phillips team
was really good.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
It was that one was fun. Yeah, pac Man Jones
was on that team. Pac Man Jones was on that team. Remember,
oh two though, let's go to two. In O two
they had gosh, who was it? It was like it
was it was their former offensive coordinator had taken over
one of those like guy was always an o C.

(14:46):
But they cut Danny am and Dola. I want to
say it was and I remember they were saying it
Chan Gaily, that was it, thank you. But I remember
I remember Chan Gaily was cutting it, and I believe
it was Damim and Amman Dola. He goes, yeah, that
guy m pretty good. I don't know if we made
the right choice. And he goes off to become really
good with the Patriots or whoever. Okay, so see those

(15:08):
are the ones I like where you cut a guy
he could tell the coach is stressing over it, and
then it comes back to Biden. Who could forget it's
a sound effect on springs board. It was Texans.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was Dave Campo that took over. Dave camp with
the glasses, okay, and.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I believe they cut him and dol it didn't they?

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Because he would come back and actually be a really
good player for both the Rams and the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
You know what, what hard Knock season I Loki enjoyed
And it was only because I was so appalled that
this guy was an NFL head coach.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Was the Matt Eberflus bear scene that was last year?
It was only last.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Year, but it was just the thing, and it wasn't
like a great season of the show. But I was
sitting there watching Matt Eberflus and I was just going,
how the hell did this guy get this job?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
This guy hit He has no charisma none, There's no
magnetism to him at all. Dude, guy, his guy had
to make a call for him. Nick Sabment, that had
to be it. Yeah, what about the twenty fifteen Yeah,
And then he'd try to make it look like this
is legitimately why I got a job, right? How about
twenty fifteen with the Houston, Texans. We got Brian Cushion puking.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh, Vince will Fork in the over Vince will Fork
and his overalls were great.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Psycho Bill O'Brien with his quarterbacks. Oh that, and he
loved Rick Ross. He loved Rick Ross. And then JJ
Watt just going out there and like at midnight taking
the camp to watch him go punch tackling dummies or
sleds or whatever. You remember that he had his bed
in the facility. Yeah, he had his special mattress that

(16:44):
was like set up in the facility so he could
like sleep in the middle of this. I like JJ Watt.
That was very Russell Wilson ish. Oh. His Hard Knock
season was very felt, very very propped up. It was
script let's show JJ Watt exercising. Put some dubstep music
to it, and that will qualify as television. You know.

(17:06):
The camera guys are like, really, we gotta go watch
you run around and blocking dummies again at midnight. That's
heigh knees on the plane kind of Oh man, this
show again is can be so good, so compelling and
so good at times. And let's let's see what twos.
You know, I'm gonna come back for up two. I'm

(17:27):
gonna I'm gonna watch it. I gotta I gotta see
what's in store with Sean McDermott too. Man that that
man is translucent. That guy is I mean, I mean paled.
He does not get out. I see the size of
the sun. Bro, have you seen a beach? Just just

(17:50):
you don't even have to go to the West coast.
Just go like you know, go, I mean, gets your
lobster and just take just take it a little vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Wasn't mcderbott also the coach that they exposed that he
told his guys in a meeting like an example of
a group working really well together.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Was the nine to eleven hijackers?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, uh huh, yes, yeah, that's I tell you what
you want to spice up hard knocks?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
You put that on television, okay, unfiltered? What about remember Detroit?
What did we the Detroit Lion season twenty twenty two?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Dan Campbell? We found out that Dan Campbell pounded uh
two americanos first thing in the morning. He always crushed
a thing of ice cream when he got home, but
he shared it with his dogs. Dan Campbell just automatically
makes for compelling to oh, I should like it, but.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Man, there were too much. There was too much, like
full on rage into crying. By the end, it was like,
all right, I'm warning there were so many tears. He
just stabilize a little bit.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
There were so many and they ended up being good
that they did.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
The twenty one Cowboys was fun with Jerry. That was
with remember h you had you had Digs the corner,
not Stefan Diggs's brother, Trayvon Trayvon Diggs and his cute
little kid.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
That was when we found out that Jerry Jones puts
extra salt on an egg.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Mcmuffy, Yeah, this thing isn't enough.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I think it may have been a mcgriddle. Actually, now
that I think about it.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
The helicopter pilot left without Steve and are we gonna
have this kind of day? Have we already screwed it up?
That was a fun one, right, that was good. That's
how Glizzie came into our life because.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Of his Yeah, Parsons and Zeke. We started talking about Glizzies.
By the way, the Chicago White Sox they had a
fifty foot long Glizzy the other day.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Fifty was it boiled? How the hell do you cook that?
That's a great question. I don't know. Just leave it
out in the sun for a while of water. Did
you throw that in? Did you go to the shamoo
take and eat it up? Can you make a seven
eleven roller fifty feet long with the light? We don't
know the more impressive roll record, the dog or the roller.

(20:00):
We cooked it on.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It's the Greikman and Lynn Dalls Show. Yes, we we
are hard knocks lovers. We have high hopes for the show.
Uh pick it up a little bit, okay, fellas, just
just give us a little something. Well, take a break
when we come back. I got some great quotes from
Sean Payton talking about a quarterback that was drafted last

(20:22):
year that was not bon Knicks. What does this mean
for Shawn's love for bon Nicks. We'll explore that next.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
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Speaker 4 (20:44):
We won't win it. We'll sit back and say why
didn't we do it? We didn't do it because where
were our priorities? How about our offense? When are we
gonna put it together? When are we gonna put it together?
Can we not run the ball down their throats every snap?
Can we not throw it anytime we want to throw it?

(21:07):
Let's make sure we play like the New York Jets
and not some slap team. That's what I want to
see tomorrow. Do we understand what the I want to
see tomorrow? Let's go to eat a damn snack?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That was like four hundred pound racks? Ryan too, what
what would he consider a snack?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's a great question. Which one was? Treat yourself? Yeah,
well grilled? Which one were they get in the ice cream?
Was it Detroit where they had the ice cream? Do
you remember that.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Dan Campbell was ad dick to do? It was the
coffee ice cream, wasn't it? You would go home every
night and crush like two of those things.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I think you're right there was. I'm telling you there
was another one where they just always had the ice cream.
There's there is a good indication that you get from
that show, like just how unhealthy football coaches really are,
like their lifestyles of just like nothing but nicotine and
caffeine imbibed at all hours of the day. Okay, I

(22:11):
had someone tell me they don't think that Sean Payton
would want to do hard knocks. Don't you feel like
this version of Sean Payton would want to do hard knocks?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You know, it's funny that you bring that up. I
saw this tweet today. I saw it because you sent
it to me.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Good, so better than you not seeing it, uh, which,
as we all know, happens quite off. What happens quite off.
I'm not calling anyone out. I miss most things. I
don't think I've doubled up ontween tweeting at least a month. Hey,
that's you know why it's good. We've all been on vacation.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So kay Adams, was was it practice today?

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Uh huh?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
And and she she tweeted something last night that you
sent over that I saw from the show thread that
I happen to see because Andy put her right in
front of me. She tweets Denver tomorrow to visit the
Super Bowl contender Broncos. All rights, we've we've gotten. Colin

(23:21):
Cowherd has has gone all full. The Broncos can win
the Super Bowl. That's another big time Sean Payton, media guy,
Diana Russini and Jase Daniel on their podcast, they went
all in on Denver, contending that that's that's all right there.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Congratulations by the way to our guy James Palmer. He's
jumping in with that crew for a couple of days
a week.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I listened to episode one with with him on there.
So there's there's a substantial amount of national media heavy
hitters that we have pinpointed over the years here Andy
like cow Herd, Peyton and cow Heard were together at Fox.
Peyton was regularly doing his show during his sabbatical. Kay Adams,

(24:06):
who Sean loves and the entire.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
NFL I think loves her. When she did Good Morning Football,
she was very.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Popular, very popular, and her and Peyton seemed to have
a a rapport.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yes, if you will remember this is where we got
them what I think we need.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, the joker cut was from the Kay Adams podcast
Joker Yeah. And and again she's gonna be and and
remember like last year when when he sat down with her,
like it was you're not saying any of this stuff
to the local media, and so good on k for
being able to get that. That's that's her job right there.

(24:45):
And again, like Chase Daniels got played for him. Something
that I wondered about when I saw that tweet today. Okay,
the hype that is going on around the Broncos right
now out of the national media, honestly, Andy, and again,
I don't listen to every second of every radio show
or read every single column inch or blog line written

(25:07):
in Denver, but I consume a lot of it. Okay,
I don't feel like the super Bowl hype is coming
from inside the building. It's coming from outside the building, sure, generally.
And when I say that, I mean the town, the market. Okay,
Sean Payton wants it to be known. Super Bowl expectations
are out there. Steve Levy was talking about it during

(25:29):
the broadcast the other day, that the Super Bowl expectations
are out there. Okay, there's a lot of Sean Payton
hype going on. And to be fair, like Shawn's earned
it ten wins a year ago, you took bo Nicks twelve,
like you made the playoffs. You're doing a great job
right now. One thing I wondered about here in the
AFC West. Some of the highest paid coaches in the

(25:51):
entire NFL are right here in this division, including the
one NFL head coach that according to reports, makes more
an average annual salary than Sean Payton Andy Reid in
Kansas City. The funny part being that the Kansas City
Chiefs oftentimes do really bad on that PA survey. Andy
and have often been criticized by people within the organization

(26:12):
to being a bunch of cheap skates. And yet there's
Andy Reid with his three rings making more money than
Sean Payton. Here's Sean Payton working for the wealthiest owners
in all of professional sports. Do you think that Sean Payton, ever,
wonders why he isn't the highest paid coach in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm sure just yeah, ultra competitive Sean Payton. Yeah, well,
I mean, look, all these guys think they're the best,
shouldn't be doing the job. Sure, so, yeah, I wouldn't.
I'm sure it crossed. I would imagine if a Super
Bowl victory comes in the next two years, they'll be
an ask, There'll be a request. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I kind of wonder if some of the hype is
trying to prime that.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Pump a little bit. That's interesting, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Don't I don't think Sean Payton likes that he's not
the highest aid coach in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I could see.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
That, especially once again he remembers who his owner is,
uh huh, who his bosses are? They like Andy, they
could they could swipe a new contract out, xerox that
thing off and sign it up and boom and they
wouldn't even notice, right, wouldn't know the difference. They could
give Sean Payton twenty one million year versus the eighteen

(27:24):
mili that he's getting right now, and boom it's done.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Sure. I think Craig Penner probably would say, all right,
let's let's get a playoff win first and then we'll
maybe think about what we want to do with this contract,
because again this fair year three and it's been it's
been all positive for Sean. He yet to really.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't think Sean Payton liked that the you know,
the the idea of the West Coast guys, that that
they were clowning Sean Payton, That there was that there
was mockery of what he did with Russell Wilson, that
there was mockery of his choice of taking bow Nicks
at number twelve. I I I think he wants his
mouthpieces doing his work for him and declaring his team

(28:05):
as a contender right now.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Okay, well yeah, because again, look to be fair to
the discussion. And this is where I think we got
to be a little bit careful. And I think a
lot of people in town that watched the season last
year saying everything is pointing upwards. It's great. It's a
better time to be a Bronco fan than it's been
in nine years. Easily, easily, without a doubt. You can

(28:27):
have great faith and I think legitimate faith and hope
that this season could be something fun and special more
than the last eight or nine event. That's said, this
team does get talked about like they were the ones
that had the clock tick out on them with just
a score needed to go on to the super Bowl
and not Buffalo. They didn't win a playoff game. They

(28:49):
need to win a playoff game. You know. You know
the hype that they're getting right now is it's the
same hype that Houston got last year.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yes, yeah, right, it's the exit. It is a mirror image, man,
because we like the new kid on the block.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
We want a new toy to play with.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah mm hmm, it's it's Denver in the AFC, and
it's Washington in the NFC, and to your.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Point, he has sewn is powerful national media friends. Yep.
Remember Chase Daniel played for him. He and Diana Russini
clearly have a long standing relationship. As you said, we
know the connections to a Colin Cowherd. We know a
Peter Schrager often did some stuff with him at Fox
when he did that one year of the pregame show.
He's got national people that like.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Him connected, yep. Connected and for good reason. I think
Sean gives them good information. I think he talks football
with him. I think he plays the game really well.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Listen when he wants to not be in a bad
mood and give you something. He's got interesting answers in
perspective on the history of the game.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, story, Toma, Sean, we get it often. Here's some
great quotes from Sean Payton for you. So Seth Wickersham,
who we've had on the show before, we've talked about
his new book book that is going to be coming
out American King's a Biography of the Quarterback, comes out
next month. I can't wait to read this thing. Seth

(30:08):
Wickersham's stuff is really really good and in one section
of the book. This is according to a piece in
The Athletic Today from John Greenberg. Seth wickersham sits down
with Sean Payton ahead of the twenty twenty four draft,
and the large gist of this story is about Caleb Williams.

(30:29):
And if you recall Caleb Williams dad, Carl Cool Carl,
He cool Carl. He wanted to steer his son away
from being drafted by the Bears.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
He even dropped the idea of like giving him like
a minority stake in the franchise. He was, you know,
he was very much a football dad. But also I
will say this, I would say his concerns about his
son going to play for the Chicago Bears well founded.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Okay, So yeah, after that rookie and remember the quotes
you're talking about, are the quotes that got stirred up? Yeah,
this passed offseason in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
So there was an idea that he was going to
pull a Jack l Way or an Archie Manning, and
like Jack did with John, like Archie did with Eli,
and st steer his kid away from the team with
the number one overall pick, Caleb reportedly wanted to play
for Minnesota that that was what he wanted to go
play up there and play with a coach that was

(31:25):
more aligned with his thinking rather than playing forever flues.
And you know, as it was revealed, like Kayla, Williams
even had quotes of saying, like nobody watched film with me.
I didn't know what I was doing, like that that
the coaching staff did not do a good job. The
Bears were smart to hire Ben Johnson. But Sean Payton
gave some great quotes that are in this book about
Williams ahead of last year's draft. These are from before

(31:46):
the draft last year, and as as was written in
The Athletic, Peyton wasn't sold that Williams would excel in
the NFL. For one, Peyton has a formula weighted on
negative plays in college that informs evaluations, and William's number
was higher than Bo Nicks and Jayden Daniels. We were
talking about that the other week. I think Sean dropped

(32:08):
it was like one in eighty two plays or something
like that by bone Nicks at Oregon was a negative play. Yep,
that's a good number. While Peyton loves William's arm at USC,
he is worried a little about his processing speed. Peyton
sees too many easy completions left on the field open
receivers that Caleb fails to spot quickly. But his primary

(32:28):
concerns with Caleb Williams are existential. Peyton wonders how Williams
will deal with failure at the NFL level on the surface.
As John Greenberg writes, I thought Williams answer handled that
part pretty well in terms of he didn't miss any games,
his teammates seemed to like him, even as crappy as
the team was. He did a pretty good job being

(32:50):
affable with the media and all of that. So, like
I would say those concerns, Caleb Williams tended to handle
the failure of his first year in Chicago pretty well.
But the part about process speed and too many completions
being left on the field and holding the ball too often, yeah,
those are all very real concerns. And I wondered as
I read these quotes Andy, if given the opportunity a

(33:13):
year ago, if Caleb Williams and bow Nicks had been
on the board at the same time when Sean Payton
was drafting, would he have taken bow Knicks over Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I know a lot of people that firmly believe he
would have Yeah, right, because of the way, because Baile.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Right, because of the profile. I believe that Jayden Daniels
would have been the guide that Sean really wanted, that
he would have taken number one overall. But remember like
Bow was taken after Drake May, after Penix, after JJ McCarthy,
after all of these guys, and yet Shawn very much
Like if you're to ask Sean Payton, what's the most

(33:51):
important quality you can have in a quarterback? Gets avoid
negative plays? And bow Knicks does that as well as
any quarterback in the draft last year. The one thing
I do wonder about is I know that John Payton
is a quarterback guru. I know that John Payton has
a very specific taste in quarterbacks. I get all of that,
But like if you were to give him and just

(34:14):
say like, Okay, you can have the athleticism and arm
of Caleb Williams and you can have the decision making
of bon Nicks, would John Payton in his head have
justified it? Of Like, I can teach the decision making.
This guy's got too many qualities that I can't teach.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
See, I don't think so Okay, here's why I believe it.
I just think and I think Russell Wilson laid out
the blueprint for it. Now, the guy that I think
would have been intriguing had he been there, would have
been Michael Pennix. Penix was not known to take a
ton of sacks either. Yeah, right, I don't think he
was as good as bone Nicks, but he had that
arm that you're talking about, So would Sean. Would that

(34:51):
have been a tougher decision that never had to be
made because Atlanta surprised everybody. Again, everything I've been told
by people close enough to the situation have said love
Nick's with clear clear Everything we've read is the same.
But he did like he did like Daniels. He would
have taken Daniels over Caleb Williams. He would have taken
Daniels over bow Nicks. I'm confident of that, right, But

(35:13):
I do think bow was his number two. A lot
of remember, we'll see what Drake May does, but they're
still and you remember it because you stood up for
your guy. A lot of people don't love the long
release of Drake May and think it's got a shorten
up somehow. So I don't think that would have been
a Peyton thing. But I just think Peyton loves the
plays that he designs, and I don't think he wants you.

(35:34):
I don't think he cares if you go off script
if it works. But when Russell Wilson is constantly trying
to redo the play that he called or not do
the first couple plays to set up the big play
that he's thinking in his head, I think it drives
him absolutely nuts. And I think Caleb Caleb showed again
last year he's not He's not. He's not he's an
offensive coordinators. I think headache because he just wants to

(35:58):
do whatever he thinks he wants to do and won't
just take the throws while they're there.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
There was a quote yesterday in the Quarterback Tiers list
on the Athletic about Kayleb Williams. Listen to this. This
is a an NFL defensive coordinator said quote. He's got
the talent to move up, but in terms of processing
ability and getting the ball out of his hands, he
was the worst we played against. He just holds the
ball forever.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Close quote because again he's got that college thing built
into him. Yeah, of I don't need this first route
that comes open, I can wait and get the second sure. Yeah,
and he couldn't. Now he's got an amazing arm. I'm
not gonna tell you. I wasn't hoping that he'd find
a way to the Broncos. Ye, when the Broncos and
Bears are playing each other that game, Broncos came back

(36:42):
to win. Yeah. But again, look, I get why Sean
Payton's likes what he sees out of Bonnicks, But I
also think there's just I think Sean Payton wants the
way he wants to play, run the way that he
wants it run. I love system, I love fit for Sister,
because he's basically the Madden Controller guy at that point.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, and and and in many ways, Shawn's process is
probably right. Like again, like the test with Caleb Williams
this year is can Ben Johnson repair him? That's that
Johnson's been hired to do exactly that thing. Like Sean
Payton had a very clear idea of what he is
looking for in a quarterback. And Sean Payton also knows
that his his future is completely tied and invested into

(37:23):
the success of bo Nicks. If you're looking for the
proper situation to incubate and develop a good franchise NFL
quarterback like Sean Payton is. He's pretty much figured out
exactly how to do that. He's he's got that on lockdown,
which again goes back to Kayleb Williams. Dad was probably

(37:44):
right to not want his kid to play for the Bears.
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Speaker 2 (38:04):
No, Nick Benito today at practice. We'll dive into that
a little bit further coming up here in the High
five the five biggest stories of the day fro around
the NFL. Do that right at five o'clock, Andy, I
want to continue the conversation we were having in in
Cross from earlier today. Does Nick Benito need to be

(38:24):
in any hurry to get back to practice for the Broncos?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Well, I mean no, here's the thing. Do you think
today was regard was not an intense practice? I watched it? Okay,
not only that, but do you think this is a
contract thing? I mean, and we talked about this yesterday.
I think it's Nick Benito's people that want to wait,
not the Broncos. Around the Broncos, I'm trying to figure

(38:52):
out what minimum amount of guaranteed money you'll take so
we can just get this thing done before the market
gets reset by one or two more pass rushers possibly, sure,
you know what I mean. Obviously, Michah Parson's chief among them.
I don't think Nick Benito needs to play another down
the rest of the preseason, if that's what you're asking.
He's in great form right. Matter of fact, again, if
you're gonna continue to go against the ones, I think

(39:13):
about Jonathan Cooper getting out of there too, because both
these guys have the snapcounts timed up. And then Benito
goes and shows you how good he is against the
Niners the other night.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, he's he's so damn good. Jonathan Cooper. Really, I mean,
that guy's a former seventh thron pick. That's a that's
a wonderful NFL success story right there.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
It is.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, and he's he's already gotten paid, so that's great too. Yep.
Jona Ellis is another fun one to watch. You know
what I can't believe is how all of a sudden,
this team has just a wealth and an embarrassment of
linebackers both outside and inside. It feels like now, hopefully
when we get to the regular season that continues to
hold up. But we were talking about a team just

(39:55):
a year ago. ESPN's GM survey named them the thirty
first roster in the NFL. I know, isn't it wild?
And now all of a sudden, we talked about it earlier,
what were they top ten? Uh huh?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Right, Andy, I'd like, as I was watching camp a
year ago, I was just like, do they have good
players beside certain That's what it felt like as you
were watching it, like who's who's standing out? And now
you go out there and you watch and it's like,
holy crap, Jonathan Cooper is dominating on every damn play
and he's already been compensated well for it. Nick Benito,
we saw it the other night. He had a whole
series that it was just like I'm gonna I'm gonna

(40:25):
ruin everything that San Francisco is trying to do with
Mac Jones right now, Like there's there's so much friggin
talent out there. The D line anchored by DJ Jones
who know how good Zach Allen is. Franklin Myers is
a freaking beast man.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Did they shop him? If Savion Jones continues to look good? No, no,
just be I know, but JFM wants a contract.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, well he can get it on another team next year.
But like for now, no, like, just just be awesome,
be loaded, and be deep, and be awesome on that
side of the ball, because I really do think the
offense is going to be a work in progress this year. Okay,

(41:06):
let's starting from a much better place than they have been,
but still, I'm looking for this offense to be a
lot better in December than I think they're gonna look
in September.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, well that seems to be the place of Sean
Payton period. Yeah, you know again, I do think it's
it's it's if they're really gonna go ahead and do
things that they haven't done in the past couple of years,
which is win a playoff game. They've got to get
off to a better start than what they've typically done
under Sean Payton. Now I realize people can go back

(41:35):
and look at the two and one start. I believe
they had his first year where they lost in Seattle
than what they do. They beat Houston here, but that
was a terrible game where the fans are counting down
the play clock and I can't even remember who the
next victory was, but we were just looking at this
going this is not good. They can't move the ball,
they couldn't score points. Remember, I mean, it just was terrible. Yeah,

(41:56):
or no, wait, I take that back to Houston thing.
That was the Hack debacle. It was so Sean's first year.
They lose to Washington inexplicably. They lost to the Raiders
the first game, remember that. So they've got to do
better under Sean than they've done the last couple of years.
So did they get off to two and one last year?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
They were rowing to last year and then they were
lost to Ye. They beat the Jets and they beat
Tampa Bay. They were two and two and it was
unexpected by everybody.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Of the first you want to go four or five games,
it doesn't matter because I believe that the Philadelphia is
the fifth game, right it is? They let stop at four,
then what do they need that record to be?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I will argue that the first two games of the
year for the Broncos there must win Tennessee and Indianapolis
are must win games with the Broncos because I Am
not going to be stunned if they lose to both
the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
And the Bengals. Yeah, it's real possible.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, I'm not going to be stunned. And then you
go to Philly, Then you go to Philly, and then
you go off to London to face the Jets. Yeah,
it's you know, Jets, Giants, Cowboys, you get you got
a good opportunity to get right. You gotta Week ten
against the Raiders like that. There's there's plenty of correctible
opportunities in there. But I right now, I think the

(43:11):
best case scenarios three and one at the end of September.
I think that's best case scenario. I mean, sure you
could go four and o. I just I don't think
they're going to. I think there's a loss baked in
between the Chargers and Cincinnati. So it's like, Okay, you
gotta get the first two absolute must wins, and then
you got to get one of those next two at
the Chargers a home against the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, if you're two and two, then you're gonna have
to you you're gonna have to win the Jets game
in London. You're not gonna have a choice. Yeah, you
got it, you got it. I think they have to
win that game anyway, because the Jets stank. You have
to win that game. I wouldn't I would don't disagree.
But again, the travel is the great each Twisers sometimes,
you know, sure, absolutely, Now I don't know this team.
Remember they had that weird stretch where they did the Greenbrier,

(43:55):
they did Tampa, they did the Jets. It rained all
that great, never came home. Yeah, it to maintain it. Yep,
great through all that. Well, who's right after the Jets?
Because that you don't get a bye after London. That's
what's kind of weird. You're back home against the Giants. Yeah,
you can't go letting London screw up that w for you.
Let Russell will schedule doubly come in and beat you. Yes,

(44:18):
scheduled win get it. Okay, do not lose that game?
So Andy, did you know Travis Kelsey has a podcast,
been aware of it for a while. He makes a
snotload of money off of it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's called New Heights. Sure, he hosts it with his brother.
I've heard a thing or two about it.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think we've played a clip or two on this show.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
So so so Taylor Swift is going to appear on
this podcast.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, there's cuts flying all over the place.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Tomorrow releases tomorrow at five o'clock Mountain time.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
In the internet. Then breaks.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yes, she has already announced she has a new record
coming out, the Life of a Showgirl. I don't know
if that's about Elizabeth Berkley either, but that's that's gonna
be the new record, the new album from Taylor Swift,
and she is announcing it. On the Travis Kelsey and
Jason Kelsey podcast.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
She showed off what was a blurred cover and the
clips circulate. We don't get to see the cover, yes,
so do we get to see it tomorrow? I hope.
So I need to know what's the cover art? Yeah?
Who is the show girl? Yes, that is the life
of the album. I'm assuming it's Taylor Swift. But there
was a movie that again, there was there was a film.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It was really bad. Sucked is in the eye the Beholder?
And okay, all right, I quite frankly I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
So now you get to the end and you're like,
you know what everyone get dressed and go home? What
are we doing? When they got to the point where
the woman's knee broke and it sounded like a tree
branch crack. Ye, listen, I don't know who's in charge
of sound effects, but a tree branch break was not

(46:09):
the sound effect because she hurt her knee. All right.
You know what though, Andy? Memorable? Well, yeah, memorable. Yeah,
you didn't forget it, did you.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
By that point I was offended. I was even I'm like,
I am a moron. Hey, look I like a lot
of what's being shown on screen, but I am ready
to go home. Never thought i'd have enough. But you
found my point. We get it, nipples got it? Yeah,
everyone's miserable and naked in this movie. Yeah, I don't know.
I liked it. Boy, Vegas looks cool.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Gotta say I kind of liked it anyway. Is Travis
Kelsey the most famous football player in the world?

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yes? Is he really? Yes, Mordan my home. Yes, in
the world. Yes, I don't mean like yes amongst sports fans.
Yes he really is. Yes, It's it's wild. There's no discussion.
All right. You know, I'm gonna google real quick. Who
would be even be number two?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Mahomes. I guess just because he's the.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Saquon Josh Allen. Josh Allen man. Now, listen, here's where
Josh Allen could make a run a little bit. Travis.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, he's got the movie star girlfriend wife. Hey, they
married Jet Hailey Steinfelding got married, fiance?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Is it over? We got married?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Not my invite, it's just beginning. I saw clips of
them singing mister Brightside at his wedding. Okay, all right, yeah,
it seemed like a good time. So here's my thing.
I'm texting, I'm texting I. I just asked AI on
Google how.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Many fans man does Taylor up Jet gpt on the
Google on the Google machine? How many fans does Taylor
Swift have? That's the questions. Yes, Taylor Swift is believed
to have fans estimated in the hundreds of millions. It
includes over two hundred and eighty million followers on Instagram alone,

(48:02):
and I promise you I would say ninety percent of
the two hundred and eighty million, two hundred know who
Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Is, probably probably because they're all.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Obsessed with her and he's her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Even the Russian porn pots that follow her know who,
Travis Kelly are.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Quite aware they won in on that too. And remember
that was just that's just Instagram. Yeah, only that's not
X that's not any that's not whatever Facebook page, that's
not back in the day when she hit me up
on MySpace, okay, because she she friended the entire MySpace community. Yeah,

(48:44):
he is the most famous because her fan base is why.
That's it. That's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Who's number two? Aaron Rodgers? No, it's pretty famous. I
would say Mahomes or okay, Josh ok it's a qb
it over Rogers. Yeah, I mean Aaron Rodgers has crossover appeal,
all right, Well, the Joe Rogan crowd loves that.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
It's just because you know who he is.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
It's he's he's got a he's got a baked in fandom.
I mean he's got automatically like all those years with
the Packers one of the most iconic franchises, and being
a four time m v P, and then when he
became conspiracy theory guy, like, I think that he garnered
an entire new fan base.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I don't think that carries weight like Hailey Steinfelder Taylor Swift,
but I might be wrong on Josh Allen. All right,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Have to go what what about Shalne Woodley and the Clay.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah that work out so well?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Did it? Still some name recognition to it?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Okay? But when I when you talk famous, I think
it's people that root for them. I think Travis Kelsey
has the entire Swift Nation rooting.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Oh I'm not. I'm not even talking about approval rating.
I'm just I'm talking straight.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Just straight. I just think Kelsey has it because of
Taylor's buy a ton What about homes? He does a
thousand commercials. You don't buy insurance from him? I actually no,
I do. Yeah, now that I mention it, yeah, uh huh.
What else he's selling you? He's got the Oakley's, he's
got the Gatorade. I'm sure there's Nikes.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm sure there's it's got to be a serial in
the shoulders somewhere right shoulder.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
That's a great call, good call, that's a great call.
He doesn't, yep, does he have a famous wife's famous?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Almo Nicks is doing is just exercising and dropping inspirational.
That's That's all I'm getting out of him. Right now.
He's working out on it.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
He's getting ready for he's getting you ready for. This
show is not to do it whether you want to
or not.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I'll be there, man, I'm in the in between.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I'm already enjoy it. No, you just got to do
it now.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I just I watched it, Okay, I mean this show,
this show, this show. That's a loaded question.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
You're just here because you have to the check here
so I don't get fine, could you be still in
New Mexico camping? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Maybe maybe, but you're here instead. I'm here and I'm
stone sober and doing sports talk radio with my pal Andy.
It's the Craigman and Lindall Show. Uh, finding the first
of the day around the NFL. Hang out with Lindall.
Every day we got the fiving stories of the day

(51:28):
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you right here on the Craigman and Lindall Show.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
That is next