8/27/25 Hour 2 - JK Dobbins and RJ Harvey's workload distribution, Sam Ehlinger's decision to join the practice squad, Nick Kosmider hops on

00:00 Nick Kosmider joins the show.

14:40 JK Dobbins and RJ Harvey's workload distribution.

34:20 Sam Ehlinger's decision to join the Broncos' practice squad.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
The fifty three is set. Nick Cosmighter wrote all about
it today for the Athletic dot Com. Subscribe and get
Nick's Bronco content there. It is absolutely top shelf. Nick,
let's start right there with the fifty three. What on
that fifty three surprised you? Not necessarily from the because

(00:35):
you're watching every second of practice, not from recent history.
I'm talking about if we would have told you, Nick Cosmier,
Broncos reporter, this happened on the final roster, This happened
on the fifty three back in June July. What jumped
out at you was kind of unexpected?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, I mean, and even if you had told me,
like last year, like in week eight or week nine,
when the Broncos went to cant the City and they're
playing in this big game where they almost beat the Chiefs,
and you know, Rodric Estimate leads the team and carries
and has some really nice moments in that game, and
you say, hey, this is a kid who's twenty one
years old, they dropped it in the fifth round. He

(01:13):
definitely seems like he's becoming a part of their plan.
And yet we get to yesterday, and to your point,
like by by yesterday, we certainly knew the writing was
on the wall that he was in fact gonna be waived.
But I think big picture wise, that surprises you. But
I look back on it, having covered this team every
day since twenty twenty, I really do think it speaks

(01:34):
to like, when when you have like the big position stilled,
and when you have kind of answers to some of
the you know, the bigger roster problems that have vexed
this franchise for a long time, all of a sudden,
now you can get kind of greedy, so to speak,
in the way that you you know, draft over guys
or sign over guys who you know, on a team

(01:54):
that maybe didn't have as many things losed down, you
wouldn't be looking to take somebody over like you're gonna
let that develop what you try to go solve some
bigger roster problems. That's just kind of the point that
they've got to that leads to something like, you know,
moving on from a guy who, like I said that
last year there were times where it really looked like
he was kind of becoming part of the vision.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
All right. Ultimately, why do you think they chose what
they did a defensive line is just because they knew
that they could get Ellinger back on the practice squad?
Is that the one guy that they probably had a
good feeling about that allowed him to I guess keep
Jordan Jackson. How do you think they got to the
numbers there?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean Sean Payton is certainly like and he'll
tell you, like pretty confident in his abilities as a recruiter,
so like that this is where he kind of comes
into play with a lot of this of like being
able to convince you know, guys that that that have
options why staying with the Broncos, even if it's in
a you know, quote unquote lesser position, is worth it

(02:53):
to their careers. And you know, he points out things like,
you know, Chase Daniel and yanking him out of the
Washington Football Office is you know, kind of promising him,
you know, the the number of elevations needed to make
the money, but also the the opportunity that he was
going to have, you know, as a quarterback for that team,
and you know obviously ended up spending a lot of

(03:14):
years in New Orleans and and you know, carving himself
out of good career as a backup. So I do
think they probably had a pretty good read on Sam Ellinger.
But but Sean Payton said yesterday, like interestingly, like we
really aren't worried about the quotas, but you're you're not
You're not keeping somebody out of position just because you
feel like you need to have a certain number there.

(03:36):
And conversely, you're only going to keep extra if if
you feel like the player was really worth it. And
you know, just watching throughout camp, they felt like Jordan
Jackson and any Juaza Rique were players that that they
wanted to continue to develop and have as part of
the depth. A little bit unusual because there're a three
four front to have seven guys in that room, but
you know, Peyton reiterated that came down to the to

(03:56):
the actual players, you know, wanting to keep them around.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Nick Cosmider the Athletic dot Com Nick. In our business,
we get these consultants that like to come in and
tell you the kind of topics that hold the audience's
attention and keeping listening to the radio, get those ratings points,
and any consultant worth their salt will tell you full
back talk holds the audience. That's what it's about in

(04:21):
sports talk radio.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's the most hotly contested position in football.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So feel free to elaborate as long as you need
to on this one, Nick, what is the Broncos plan
early season at fullback?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, apparently we have consultants too, because I pitched a
two thousand word opus that was going to get into
every granular detail of what the Broncos need to do
at fullback, what their options are, all these sorts of things,
and was kind of turned down this and why do
you slide that nugget into a notebook? And to be fair,

(04:55):
it pretty much is as simple as like again, it's
a position where people aren't like, people aren't clamoring to
claim cut fullbacks. And so with Adam Prentice, who obviously
did not have a ton of other opportunities, it's why
he was he was sitting there available in August to
be signed in the first place. You know, kind of

(05:19):
saw all along that they were going to do with him
what they did last year with Michael Burton, which was
they cut him as a vested veteran, he could not
get claimed anyway right and had the opportunity to come
back and sign to the practice squad, where you say, hey,
you're going to get elevated the first three weeks of
the season and then we'll ultimately find a place for
you on the roster. Now, I don't know if that

(05:40):
part of it's going to work for Adam Prentiss, the hey,
we're going to find you a place on the roster,
But just looking at the way the roster exists right now,
Sean Payton said, the vision's gonna come together pretty quickly
about what we're doing. Well, a day later, he signs
to the practice squad, and it's pretty clear that while
Nate Adkins recovers from the ankle injury that he had,
that Adam Adam Prentiss right now is their fullback. We'll

(06:01):
see how much they use that. Look, they're gonna use
more two tight end stuff this year. I think that
now that you have Evan Ingram and maybe even some
some more thirteen personnel with three tight ends. So so
how much they really do use a fullback in this
year's offense, It is going to be interesting to see.
It's gonna be a part of it for Sean Payton,
but but not I think an overwhelming amount. So how

(06:22):
much this really ends up mattering? I think the consultants
would have their word with you about how.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Much would a tight end consultant would he advise thirteen
personnel for this tight end group in Denver.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, if you're in if you're in the big tight
end business, like the big tight end you know, marketing sphere,
you want to talk about thirteen personnel all day like that,
that's your jam. But I think what's interesting is that,
you know, Evan Ingram truly is is more of kind
of like a big slot receiver, right, Like He's part

(06:54):
of the reason they moved on from Devon Vailey is, yes,
the growth of Pat Bryant, the growth of Troy Franklin,
but also because Evan Ingram is going to kind of
be in that role quite a bit. And so you know,
how much are you using you know, Lucas Kroll to
also give you kind of a second pass catcher at
that position that can create some mismatches, you know, and
if Ingram's not quite the blocker that you need him

(07:16):
to be, but still want them, you know, out on
the field are you Are you using some more of
these these guys, like when Nate Atkins comes back using
him and Adam Troutman at the same time. I'm really
curious to see what they're going to do with some
of the configurations at tight end.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
All right, where are you at with the Chiefs. I
don't know if we've talked to you too much about this,
but you know, Nate and I have a new segment
called All the People that Aren't Talking About the Broncos,
and then we play literally cuts from every single show
they can't quit talking about the Broncos, where they start saying,
nobody's talking about the Broncos, but everyone's throwing dirt on
the Chiefs. Nate and I are going back and forth.

(07:50):
I gotta believe it when I see it. Nate's already
got him down at ten and seven. He thinks it's done.
He thinks the runs over. What is your belief that
what problem will the Chiefs present for the AFC this year?
In your mind?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, we had to do division preview and I also
peg them at ten and seven. You know, I think
part of it is like they're older, and you even
see it with some of their roster stuff where they're
kind of looking for, you know, they're still trying to
put together some of the back pieces of their roster.
You know, obviously we've seen Patrick Mahomes be able to
navigate you know, lack of talent quite frankly among his

(08:26):
wide receivers. They're gonna deal once again with with Rashid
Rice being out. I think a big part of it
with the Chiefs is like, you're not going to go
fifteen and one by winning all these close games, like
the pendulum is gonna swing back the other way. Like
that's what the law of averages tells us. It's what
kind of like close game odds and trends tell us,
is that it's not gonna go that way, just like

(08:47):
the Broncos probably aren't gonna go one in six in
they're close games. Like, I think some of those things
are gonna come come back to each other. That's where
you see some of the ground getting made up between
those two teams. You know, I agree with you Andy
that there is there. There does have to be the
settlement of like they've won nine in a row, don't
we actually have to see it before you count on it.
But I just think the rest of the division in particular,

(09:09):
and the conference at large, you know, just has a
lot more firepower than in years past, and so I
just think part of it is the attrition they're going
to face through their own schedule.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Read Nick Cosminor stuff the Athletic dot Com. Subscribe and
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roster notes right there. But AFC West preview coming up
here in a couple of days. It's all going to
be right there at the Athletic dot Com. Nick six
drives one touchdown for the first team offense in the preseason.

(09:42):
What's real and what isn't When it comes to the
performance that we have seen out of bow Nixon company
thus far, well, I think.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
What's real is that, like I think it's going to
I believe that this is going to ultimately be a
better running game for the Broncos than they had last year.
But I do think it's going to take some time.
You know, Mike mcglinch, she mentioned it again yesterday, like
they are dealing with, you know, new things. So as
much as the Broncos do have continuity, you know, on
the offensive line, but also on the offense in general,

(10:12):
they are doing some new things in the run game,
some schematic tweaks that I think they're still trying to learn.
And quite frankly, we haven't seen JK. Dobbins at all
in like games, So I mean part of this is
like we really do have to see what it what
it's going to look like. You know, you're not ever
really able to commit to the run in the preseason,
like you're you're working through so many kind of different things.

(10:34):
So I do think some of what we've seen of
like that might be slow moving. I do see them
maybe hitting their stride with it after the quarter pole
of the year, as they get a little bit more
comfortable with it. And I think the other thing is
is Corland Sutton Bonix. I think that what you saw
in that last drive, I think is sort of a
reminder of like when we're still when we're in these

(10:54):
ruts or we're still trying to figure out like that
connection is sort of a good way for them to
get out out of the get out of a rut,
and and and and Bonix went to that on Saturday
when when things weren't really clicking. I think that's real.
I think Corland Sutton is poet poised for a huge
season that those are kind of like my main takeaways,
but the third just being like I don't know, like yeah,

(11:17):
and I know that's like not a sexy thing to
hear from the Beat reporter covering them the other day.
But like bo Nix is a guy that just he
just relishes the game planning process. He's a son of
the head coach who sat in his living room for
his entire life. Like putting that together, like, that's where
I think he and Sean Payton together are really gonna shine.
There's so little of that in the preseason. So check

(11:40):
back with me on September eighth, and I think I'll
have a lot better idea.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Last one for you. Do you think a lot of
wide zone is gonna happen with this running game? We
keep hearing about it, We've seen some hints of it.
But again, if you talk to some folks like Mike Sandford,
he doesn't love the personnel for wide zone runs. How
much do you think that gets filtered into all this?

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're going to have some
trial and air with it. You know, certainly they believe
that that R. J. Harvey is is the kind of
the perfect back for it because of his kind of
quick instincts, you know, his one cut ability back, you know,
back toward the middle. They likes the progress that he
made with it, you know through throughout training camp, even
if the last preseason game you didn't really see a

(12:18):
whole lot of it. So but again, I just go
back to the thing of like they're they're gonna have
to tinker with it a little bit. They're not gonna
be an exclusively outside zone team like Sean Payton is
always kind of, you know, tinkered with with different elements.
You're gonna have GAF schemes, you're gonna have inside zone.
You know. The way Adam Troutman says is we are
just gonna be a little bit more committed to, you know,
the outside zone principles that we have. So I just

(12:41):
chalk that up to another thing of like they're gonna
they're gonna tinker with it. I don't think it's gonna
look the same every week, but but I think down
the stretch, I mean, the bottom line, guys, is this
like that no team in the NFL has more returning
like continuity among their their their front lines. Right like
the they have have to win in the trenches this season,

(13:02):
like they have to be committed to it, like because
they have that's where their personnel is. That that's where
they're that's where they're bringing everybody back, that's where they
have the continuity. So that's what they have to be, Like,
can you can you lean into that enough to be
effective and take some of the pressure off Bonex. I
think that that's what they ultimately, you know, have to do.
It's why they've invested, you know, in the running back

(13:22):
position this offseason. So uh, I just think we gotta
we gotta have some trial and error to look at
and see where they're actually going with it.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I predict a Nick cosmid byeline in the first week
of October what's working and what isn't with the Broncos
run game. Go ahead and read that in the Athletic
dot com. That is where Nick's content is available to you.
Subscribe to the Athletic because Nick is the best. Nick.
Well done, man, We appreciate it. We'll talk to you next.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Week, all right, fellas, thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Nick Cosmier with us and and yeah, like that, that's
the kind of stuff that's right up his alley. That
kind of analysis stuff, what's working, what is and andy
To that point, I do think it's going to be
probably a little bit of a slow start. That said,
I saw a hot take prediction about the Bronco run

(14:12):
game Okay on ESPN today that I want to share
with you when we come back. I truly like my
eyebrows went up when I read it. Something to think about,
especially heading into your fantasy draft. I'll tell you what
that is coming up next.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
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(15:10):
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(15:30):
football all over the place.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
And at North Carolina will have go Lopez as their starter.
That was announced by Bill Belichick today, So there you go,
Geo Lopez.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Geoe Lopez will be his.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Quarterback when he starts his college coaching career.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Go Lopez sounds like he should be the catcher for
the Cincinnati Reds. Yeah, but he can also be a
college with Bill Belichick and the Lady Lady Friend. Lady
Friend's got a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
She spring sent us an interesting tweet where she's just
decided that literally everything apparently is hers and his and
they've now copyrighted it.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
What is the latest?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Oh, there's all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
What do we got?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
One of them was the bellustrator.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, that was.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
One of the one of the things that he apparently
is decided to the bellustrade. The bellustrator, I prefer the
czar of the telestrator, Mike Fritello. She's already went ahead
and trademarked the term gold Digger in hopes of using
that with a jewelry line.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Would and Kanye have already No.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
He might have something to say, but apparently he is
not paying attention to Okay, hmm. So she's going to
create a line of jewelry and key chains under gold Digger,
because who doesn't need a key chain these days?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Also filed trademarks for chapel Bill, Trail of Salty Tears,
No Days Off, and the Belichick Way. This all according
to Bleacher Report.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
All right, I'll Patriot Way Belichick way.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It wasn't the Patriots, it was Belichick.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Okay, sure, uh huh sure didn't Belichick wade in that?
Sound like that should be like the name of the
street outside gelet stickam and Foxborough on.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
He doesn't get the statue because the statue is a
pretty pricey kind of deal. Sure, but he does, in
fact get Belichick Way Belichick Way. Yes.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, So all right, so if you're if you were
looking to cash in on bootleg merchandise.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
If you wanted to have fun with gold Digger, Yeah,
it's no longer up for grass. Yeah, how can you
copyright something that's that's that common lingo. How does one
do that? You pay a lawyer a lot of money
to get that figured out?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, patent lawyers, man, That's that's the whole business right there.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
And she's not been allowed to practice. Is this what
she's been up to? Things? I'm gonna copyright just gotta
have a value to the operation. Is there is there
anything else we're missing right now?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah? I feel as though that list could probably include
more things. What about just could they could they copyright
just the word?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Can they do that?

Speaker 4 (18:09):
We're not talking about that.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right, Oh, that's that's that's a catchaw.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
That's what it should be.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
We're not talking We're not talking about yeah's money making opportunity.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
We're not talking about that.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, Gordon's Fisherman pictures creeping everybody out? Sure the Emperor.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Tell your Bellichick put a hood on it. It looks
like the Emperor.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
The Emperor was dating Ray at the end of the
Star Wars movie, what what instead of shooting electric out
of my fingers, we just go out for a while.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Why ah, We go to a nice dinner, come back
to my place, sit on some red tan furniture, and
I'll draw up a defense.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'll get a four thirty reserve.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
I'll get out the bellustrator.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Is that what he calls it? Is that where it came?

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay that all that all is now making sense coming
back to it's the bellustrator, illustrator.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Why wouldn't it be.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
All right? O? Kem Broncos run game.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Spring set the tweet? What do you want me to do?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
It's it's informative. This is all.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
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at ESPN dot com Today, twenty twenty five NFL Bold
predictions potential surprises for thirty two teams. What's funny is
I tease this and then literally the promo right after
it stole the thunder. Nice job, sand Man, his surprise

(20:00):
the Broncos. Don't be surprised if veteran JK. Dobbins is
the Broncos lead running back. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
That made you, that made you take pause. That may
just stop biting your bagel for a minute. I don't
believe JK. Dobbins will lead the Broncos and carries this really,
I don't believe he will. Okay, yeah, I believe our J.

(20:21):
Harvey will. And let me tell you why. I think
in September JK Dobbins will lead the Broncos in carries.
But then, uh, the JK Dobbins thing is gonna happen.
Like last year. You know, he goes for a buck
thirty five buck thirty one, runs for ninety six yards

(20:43):
in that victory at Denver when the Broncos were playing
without certain and then it's like, oh yeah, two yards
of carry, three yards of carry, and then he just
he gets banged up because he's JK. Dobbins. That's that's
been the MO of his NFL career. I think RJ.
Harvey is going to probably lead the group in targets

(21:04):
from the running back position to start off the season.
I think he very well may lead the NFL in
targets from the running back position by the time the
season is all said and done. But I think by
mid October. RJ. Harvey will will be the number one
back on this team.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't think there's a Bell Coow situation. I don't
think there's a Bell Coow situation happening at any point
early on or later. But I think by by probably
mid to late October week seven to eight, RJ. Harvey
becomes the dude.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I think the plan you laid out is their desired direction. Yeah,
now will it happen? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
I asked Jeff Lagwald, what's going on? Why did he
play most and why did Dobbins not play at all?
Just yesterday? And he said, look, you know RJ. Harvey
or I guess on Monday when we chatted with him,
he said, RJ. Harvey, he's going to be a good
running back, and he shows all the signs of being
a good running back. Now he's got to get to
just trusting his in.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
He's making a lot of classic rookie running back mistakes.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
And he's trying to go where they're telling him instead
of just seeing it and going where they maybe open
the hole that you didn't expect it.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of things that he's
doing right now that we're not unexpected for the coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
No, I would agree, Yeah, but how about I throw it.
You see, here's what I could see happening. I could
see Dobbins. I could see it, like I think we're
all hoping that Harvey has the path you just laid out. Yeah,
because I don't think Dobbins was signing. If they wanted
him here long term, it would have been more than
a one year deal. But I could see it also
where Dobbins is the guy that gets the most carries,

(22:37):
and yet Harvey still gets the most touches because he'll
get the carries and get thrown to more probably than
Dobbins does.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
So last season, the Broncos Stela running backs, which was
not great, was targeted one hundred and sixteen times. That
was the second highest total in the NFL. Jvante Williams
was actually in terms of receptions, number two on the team.
They were targeted one hundred and thirty two times, this
being Broncos backs one hundred and thirty two times in

(23:06):
twenty twenty three the Russell Wilson team that was the
most in the NFL. This is just a part of
a Sean Payton offense. In addition to you know, bo
Nicks is a point guard style quarterback, and so that
means getting the ball to playmakers out in space. Sean
wants to use a lot of that stuff. It's a
screen heavy offense. RJ Harvey quite frankly, like, I'm not

(23:29):
taking RJ. Harvey in like the top three rounds of
my fantasy draft. But as long as you got a
points per reception PBI scoring system, RJ. Harvey is gonna
be productive this season. It's gonna touch the ball a lot.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, I would think he'd be. He'd probably be. Let's
nerd out a minute. I guess who's your You know,
it's probably courtland Son. Who's the top guy your drafting
off this offense?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It would be Sutton.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
But RJ is an Ingram or RJ after.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
That, right like st I think probably is a top
fifteen receiver after that. Yeah, I'd probably go Ingram then Harvey.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Just because we trust him right now.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
And again, yeah, I'm going off of trusting you early season.
I also like those early training camp practices. Wow, he
threw to Ingram a lot, and then you notice he
kind of stopped, And I honestly wondered if he got told, Okay,
you know that's there.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Let's work on some other SHOs.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Let's do some other things. Okay, bo Nicks has a
tendency and it's not a bad quality, but bon Nicks
has a tendency to take the easy completion. Well, if
you know that's going to be there regardless, then I
would say, do something else and in your practice time.
And I think the Broncos worked on that an awful lot.
I think Ingram becomes a huge part of this offense

(24:52):
once the season starts. Yeah, I would go in terms
of like fantasy value, I would go. I would go
Sutton one, Ingram two, Harvey three, Mims four Bronco skill
position players.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, that works, that works. Mimes could. Mames could move
up there, but we'll see.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
The tricky thing with Mimes is I think there's gonna
be weeks where he gives you twenty eight points, and
there's gonna be a week after that where he gives
you three points and you're gonna go cool, he's got
two catches for nine yards or something like that, and
you're gonna go, wow that I'm really glad I started
that guy.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
He's got the cool three week stretch.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Then, yeah, I just think it's his.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Performances are gonna be a little bit tough to predict
because there's just gonna be weeks where he breaks the
first tackle, and there's gonna be other weeks where he doesn't.
But I think he's special because he can break that
first tackle and then boom, you got forty yards on
the play. Yeah, there is something something about this JK.
Dobbins thing, and he's a Look, he's a quality veteran

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running back. But I am skeptical of a guy that
has missed it as much time as he has.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's just fair.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I'm skeptic of a guy that Jim Harbaugh had no
problem going all right, I'm good, I'm gonna I'm gonna
go get something else. And a guy that was as
available deep into the offseason as JK. Dobbins was. Now,
maybe maybe this is the year where the guy just
finds crazy health and he plays sixteen games and he
touches the ball three hundred times. I'll allow for that possibility.

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I just there's the track record there of that not
happening with him, and Harvey's young and fresh. Why you
like a nice rookie running back?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Right, Yeah, you're right, you do. It's if he gets
hurt then all bets are off. I'm really hoping they'll
test the depth of this running back room that they
kept around. I just do think there's here's what I
think it's gonna be key as long as if they
do show us a dedication to the run. And again,
you and I are still kind of questioning how much sure,
And we're just going off the track record of Shawn's
last two years. Now, maybe he's not had the option

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like he will have JK. Dobbins or RJ. Harvey in
order to stay to the run a little bit more
enticingly than he's had. But I would say this, JK
and I saw it in some of the practices. He
knows where the holes open up in that wide zone.
He knows. Matter of fact, the day that they got
real chatty, then the day that Dobbins was going back

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and forth with Malcolm Roach, it started. It got going again,
I should say, because Dobbins found a cutback lane cut
back there would have been into the open field, and
he came back and let the whole defense or you know,
know about it after they've done some chatting with him.
And I just think he does have that feel, he
does have that instinct that Jeff has talked about. Now again,
can he take a few helmets to the knees or

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you know whatever. I mean. We're worried about Matthew Stafford's back.
This is a guy that's had some leg injuries the
last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
So the update from Broncos practice, By the way, I
can't wait. Timing is perfect on this. Marvin Mims left practice.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
He's got an ankle injury, I believe was said.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Uh, groin, Hello, groen, he's got a groiner. Sean Payton said.
Mims is being evaluated for a groin injury, and the
team isn't overly concerned.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Well, I'm glad you're not. Nobody is concerned this time
of year. Talk to me next when it's a week
from today or a week from tomorrow, August Tomorrow's Thursday,
then let me know how you're feeling.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Groins are also really personal. Nobody gets concerned about somebody
else's groin. Yeah, we're not overly concerned. That's his problem
right now. Have you ever had a groin injury?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (28:19):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. I gotta say like, and I will knock on
wood and not tempt fate in any way. I've had many, many, many,
either sports or just at this point, old man injuries.
My groin's have been okay.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I've had I've had the quad in front where it
just knots up on you. Yeah, you can't even walk,
especially trying to. I had it a couple of years ago.
I had it more than that where we were trying
to play softball and I could not leave the box
trying to run because it felt like I had a
I felt like the leg muscles were tied in a
knot and they were pulling from both ends. Yeah, it

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doesn't feel good when it happens.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, I wouldn't think so. Mm hmmm. Do you remember
Nate Jackson's book Slow Getting Up when he described his
groin ripping off the bone in in very very clear.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Details, more than we would have asked for.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And then and then he's an excellent writer. He also
in that book he did he did go on to
detail how some of those injuries affected him.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Sure is off the field activity.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
In certain activities.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
After that book came out, we Nate came in, he
came in studio with with me and Nalen, and we
made him give us a romantic read of that.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Just set the music.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh, you know, it's Yeah, we made him. We made
him give us a live read of his own book,
and uh he went a little romance novel on it.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I could see it.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, he's sure again he's he's versatile. He's a renaissance man.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
By the way, a little early in the show for this,
but that does bring up I mean, speaking of the
the activities I sent you. This is more a knee
krekman story. But I was proud I found it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Okay, what do you got?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
We've got ourselves, Randy, I gotta go pull it back up.
But Randy the uh, the hamster I believe it was.
There's a hamster name Randy, and he was not suffering
from such an affliction. Randy was able to get free
from his cage, jumped into the ladies cage, the lady
Gerbil or hamster cage. Uh and uh now has one

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hundred's he's got a hundred expectant mothers on his way. Wait, Randy,
the Gerbil went nuts. It was a hamster. Sorry I
keep saying Gerbil. It's a hamster. Hamster right, No, guinea pig,
I'm sorry, guinea pig. I've got the wrong Fermi marmot
or whatever. Guinea pig. Randy the guinea pig got into

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the other enclosure where there were one hundred females, and
he is now gonna have one heck of a father's day.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
So Randy is the Wilt Chamberlain.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yes, got it all done.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Randy breaks into female enclosure and pregnates one hundred female
he had all night. Good on your Randy.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I mean, could you have a more perfect name? Randy?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Seriously?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Where did they get Randy from?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Did he just look like a Randy?

Speaker 4 (31:19):
And now this incident has come to solidify the given name.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, I think it was. Uh, it was like we
could either name him Horny or Randy, and let's go
with Randy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Austin powers on the TV and they're just like, Randy's
hit me for some reason. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Who's uh, who's the most famous? Randy Travis Johnson, the
Big Unit, Well, it depends on what you listen to.
Randy Travis pretty name popular, the macho man. Randy Savage.
Randy Savage is up there, gotta be high on the
new Randy to chant American idols. Randy Jackson, Randy Jackson. Yeah,

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now that you mention it, Yeah, but how famous your
pitchy dog. I mean he was in the East Street band.
He was gonna say it in thirty five million people
watch that show every week.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Well, I mean, but yeah, didn't he play with Bruce Springston?
What band was he in? Didn't he? He was in someone's.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Band, the Jackson Pine.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
No, that is not one of the Jackson's. I gotta
look it up, Okay, like he's a he's a legit musician.
And yet all we knew him for was just saying that.
And that ain't it for me? Dog?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It was a no pitchy dog, pitchy Randy Gratish. Are
remember some Randy's today three oh three five four in
ooh fine actor Randy Quaid. Yes, remember some Randy's in
honor of Randy the guinea pig who impregnated would you
say one hundred?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
One hundred? The guinea pig somehow got out of his
enclosure got into the other enclosure. I mean, look, love
will make you do silly things, it will. It'll give
you a power you never knew.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
You had. My daughter's preschool class, they put two guinea
pigs in there. I believe their names were. I think
it was Jack and Annie. I think They were named
after the Magic Treehouse characters, and they were brother and sister,
and next thing you know, there was a lot more
guinea pigs. The poor preschool teacher was like, I didn't
sign up for this.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well, I mean, you gotta watch out you do. I
did have that happen with a Gerbil just jumped apparently
over one glass enclosure into the other. Ah, And my
mom was like, you're gonna get rid of all of them.
These are basically mice too. Any guys didn't that sign up? Yeah?
Randy Jackson, frontman of Zebra. He was the lead singer
of the band Zebra and has been inducted into both

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the louis Louisiana Music Hall of Fame and Long Island
Hall of Fame with the band.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
He's from Long Island, so was Billy Joel.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
What about Louisiana and Maria? Which what are you more
proud of? Which goes on the business card? First, Louisiana
or Long Island Music Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think it would go Long Island. Yeah, yeah, although Louisiana,
you know, you got the meters. It's it's quite strong.
All the Zeidaco musicians, it's strong. It's good. It's the
Craigman at Lyndahl Show. Remember some Randy's on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two five.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
You've got the Krekman and Lynn Dahl Podcast. Listen live
every weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two to five and on the Altitude Sports
Radio app Andy.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
According to reporting okay from Jordan Schultz, Yes, I don't
know if he was arguing with anybody in a Starbucks
or not.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think we were cool this time, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Jordan Schultz says that Sam Ellinger turned down multiple offers
to be on a fifty three man roster in order
to stay with Denver's practice squad. He had multiple offers
to sign on to a fifty three, but because he

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is a vested veteran after completing his rookie contract, he
was not subject to waivers and instead will stick with
the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
What do you think of that? Smart move?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Why would you not take a shot at being on
a fifty three?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Is it just you know you're probably not gonna play anyway,
and you at least like it here and you like
the guys you're with. I mean again, it's still I
think it's what two hundred to five hundred thousand dollars. Now,
if you're on a practice squad, it's still a pretty
good living.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's not bad like to be. Yeah, it's an excellent living.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
But you know what, I'd like to know who are
the teams? You know what I mean? That's where I'd
like a little bit more of the story filled in.
I don't think Jordan gave us that piece of it, right, No,
but I'd like to know, like again, is this one
uh like.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
The Saints or something?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Well, hey, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, the Saints
got an eye full of him the other day and
he looked just as good, if not better than what
they were rolling out there, you know what I mean?
Like seriously, but it also comes down to who's my
supporting cast for me to look good.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I just came up with a theory.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Give it to me.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Who's the Broncos quarterbacks coach?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Davis Webb?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Davis Webb? Yeah, mm hmm. Is it going to be
a quarterbacks coach for long?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I don't think. So.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
He's going to be an OC very soon.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, he's gonna be an OC very soon.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Sean Paton, Shawn May May, I have to make a
tough decision.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah. Sean Payton has has shown a willingness to give
young coaches an opportunity if they can show that they've
got it. If you're Sam Ellinger, ellenerr, excuse me, hang
out for a year, impress, show that you can be
a vital part of game planning every single week, critical

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to what's going on, work with the scout team on
a weekend, week out basis. Like, it's got to be
clear to Sam Ellinger by now right the dream of
being a franchise quarterback may not be for you. Heck,
right now he's the number three quarterback at fifth year
in the league. Yeah, so you could look at it
and say, the likelihood of even being a top backup

(36:56):
might be tough for me to do. But if I
want to go into the coaching realm, this could be
a really good place to be on Sean Payton's staff
with Lombardi, with Davis Webb, Like, if you're if you
if you're thinking about a five year plan, this could
be a good place for him to be.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
You see, So it's interesting you bring it up. I
just went and looked up his age just just for funsies. Yeah,
he's twenty six years old. Jared Stenham, who's listed balloms
at twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Davis Webb I think started at twenty two eight.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think he decided I'm just going to get into
coaching because I don't want to keep moving my family
every couple of years. Yeah, you think he's ready to
go to the coaching you're out at twenty six.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I mean the backup ahead him is three years older.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't think he needs to be, but like, I
think he's thinking about a world where he can get
himself on the track.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
By the way, he'll be twenty seven and about a
month oh birthday September thirtieth. That says okay, yeah, yeah,
that could be. That could be the reason why. I
also just think if you if you were to get
in there.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
He's from wes Leigh High School by the way, so
you know Davis Webb is he's also a Texas guy.
So there's just there's a lot of connections right there. Again,
it's a he's getting himself in on the if he
wants to go that track. He's getting himself on the
ground floor of a situation here in Denver, where he

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could have a lot of people that would be interested
in seeing him progress and have his backgund all right,
that's just if we're looking for theories as to why
somebody turns down a chance to be on a fifty three,
to be on a practice Squan could be one.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Let me ask you this, how important is Davis Webb
to the whole thing? Like does Sean Payton need to
keep Davis web around? I do think Davis Webb is
very important a lot of this operation because I think
he is the Sean. I've said it before, but I
believe it even more now. I think. Look, there was
back when, and I think you've probably heard this, back
when coach Shanahan was doing his thing, Garry Kubiak was

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the go between between coach and the and the quarterback. Sometimes.
You know, Mike could run a little hot. Does that
sound familiar? Sometimes I don't think he ran as hot
as Coach Peyton does. But Mike Sheenan is a guy
that could be at times a little hard on guys,
and sometimes there was it was nice to have the
buffer of Gary Kubiak between Mike and For perfect example,
the exact example is Jake Plummer. I've heard about some

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interesting stories of Mike and John having a few words
with each other too, and Gary just kind of being
the guy in the middle. I do think that Davis
Webb is that kind of go between bridge, that that
that perfect sort of middle ground between Peyton and his
quarterbacks sometimes. And I bring this up because if he
if teams start coming to him to be in OC,
does Sean have to make a decision? I mean, how

(39:40):
long do you stick with you guys? And out of
a little bit of a connection to the younger.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
One, well, because he'll never be a play caller here.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Well, that's true, you're right, right?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
And if that, because that's the next thing he has
to do, right, He's he has to be a play
caller like that, that's the next big step up. He
was given what passing game coordinator duties this year?

Speaker 4 (39:59):
He was as well, chance to call the game what
two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
A couple of weeks ago. Yeah, but that's you. There's
also just like there's a lower ceiling in Denver in
terms of what your opportunities are going to be because
of who the head coach is.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Does Shawn ever have to think about giving up a
play calling.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I don't think he ever will. No, I don't have
a lot to complain about what he did last year.
Like I know, you know, we heard the Chase Daniels
story about how he runs hot and can can occasionally
get himself a little too wired and fired up during
games and spitting out play calls and everything else like that.

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But also like that, that's where Sean Payton is at
his best is as a play caller, getting into that groove.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
The guy's a super Bowl winning head coach. He's a
he's a certified football genius. Just ask him. But also,
like look at his track record, I don't think he
should be given up play calling duties to you if
he does not. It's what he does. He's not a
CEO type head coach.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
No, I get that. I do completely understand.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think he's got CEO skills. But like he's he's
a play caller. That's I get it. That's his gifts
I know, to be an NFL head coach.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
I just wonder though, if sometimes if you don't stick
to the run again, if you have a tough time
doing some of the things you promises you know is
better for the team, you think about the younger guy.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Well, here's the other question, who's going to fire him that? No,
well he's not fired himself.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah, unless Greg Penner. I mean Penner doesn't have any
evidence to prove anybody else would be better at Yeah. No,
I mean a preseason game against base look defense in
the Arizona Cardinals doesn't count.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I don't. I don't think you know, I don't think
Shawn's going to go to like a Bobby Bowden type
of elder statesman role anytime soon. Sure, I so, No,
I don't. Again, that's where I think, like, if you're
a coach progressing in a situation like this, like I don't,
I'll be sort if the Broncos hit the ceiling and
all that good stuff. I don't think Davis Webbs here

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next year.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
No, I think you're probably right. I think you're probably.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right if Bo takes the next big step. And because
you're right, he does.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Have to call plays or what are you really doing?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Right?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
And I'm sure as a former quarterback, he'd love to
call plays, right.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You know, Sean Sean designed the offense, he calls the offense.
It's his, it's his show.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
So you think this is Ellinger wanting to be the
next Davis Web because if it does all goes down
a year, he'll be the exact same age as Davis
Webb when he decided to switch it up to.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I think they got a good room. I really do well.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I would agree. I think Davis Web's a part of it.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I think that I think that bo runs hot. I
think that Stiddy, in the world where he has accepted
his his his fate or really his opportunity as a
as a well compensated future NFL backup quarterback, is perfect
to be in there. And then clearly Ellinger they they

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must like the vibes because they they wanted him to
stick around, and they made it very clear to him.
In addition to Davis Webb like this, I think being
Sean Payton, I think being an NFL quarterback anywhere is
probably stressful as hell. I think being Sean Payton's quarterback
is probably also extra stressful. And I bet you I'll
even say this, I bet you Sean Payton has an
awareness of that and says, Okay, this is the kind

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of ecosystem that I have to put around my quarterback
to be able to thrive in this situation.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
I would agree, and I think three trying to battle
that all out is better than just two.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I don't know. Is there any chance there's a hint
that if the right call is made, Stiddy could be
dealt and Ellinger knows I could be too fairly quickly.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I will be stunned. I would agree if Jared Stidham
doesn't finish out this two year deal. Yeah, you got
Sandford's getting to you, man, Hey man, he's trying to
trade stitty. No.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
I look, I could also see a world where Jared
Stidham has just hit that Gary Kubiak point in his career.
He just knows I'm better off being a backup. I'm
better off you hitch hitting duty, and I'm gonna live
in Denver and make a lot of money and enjoy
my life and then go into the coaching as well.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
That's why that's why he signed here.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, No, I s Diddy right now. I bet you
Jared Stidham can get another six years out of the
backup quarterback life at.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Twenty nine, Yeah, thirty five, he may make it to forty.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I think he could easily do that.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
It's not like he's run around guy.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Right, he's this is a perfect job for him to have.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
He could be he could be Josh McCown.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Right, Chase Daniel, Yeah, yeah, name your favorite backup quarterback,
any of them accounts, any of them accounts, all of
them draft him account sure, uh huh. But but he
can now be that guy and he can make an
excellent living. And again it's it's critical for him for
a guy like him, you got to be a good
vibes guy. And what didn't he say, was it like

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the golf tournament?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Didn't he say like he like stated Shawn's plays in
Mexico or whatever?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, and hung out right, Yeah, he's he's in man Stid,
He's in the club.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
And Legy told it to the afternoon, to the mid
guys in front of us. That facility is gonna have
a lot of players thinking, I don't think I won't
leave denever anytime soon. Right, that is going to be
the state of the art in the NFL when it
is done. Legy said, he thinks some other some other
places are gonna have to up some cash to up
their facilities now too. Knowing this is part of the battle.
We've now entered the college ranks. Of the Texas or

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Oklahoma weight room. Remember when people would talk about the
Texas and the Oklahoma weight room, how they were nicer
than the most NFL facilities. Well, it sounds like the
NFL facilities are going to need to get an upgrade.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Every one of those quarterbacks has their own personalized massage chair.
I'm sure right in the.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
With a USB outlet. You don't even have to fight
for one.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
It's right there in charge everything. In fact, it's not
even the outlet. They give you the court. You got
it all. It's not bad. It's Craig bit to Lendall.
We're talking Broncos fifty three plus everything else happening around
the NFL. A big suspension in the AFC West, and
we got Micah Parsons rumors to drop on you. That's

(45:57):
all coming up next