8/4/25 Hour 1 - Cross talk, Mike Sanford is with Andy talking Broncos

00:00 Cross talk.

17:25 Mike Sanford is with Andy talking Broncos.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi Andy. How you doing, hey, guys?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Look bo is bad today. It's all right to say it.
Guys canna have bad days. He was behind people one great,
he was not great in timing. It's fine. Look, I'm
not after last year. Let's just see what happens. It
looks like regular season, Tyler. Are you surprised that they're
playing the starters on Thursday or whatever they're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
No, I'm not. Today, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I think that there's never gonna be a bigger variance
of opinion on how to handle this than it is
going to be right now. Head coaches are still figuring
it out. You know, previously it was so uniformed. The
first game, every team would go one series. Second game,
you'd go the first half. Third game, you'd play one
series into the second half. Fourth game, you didn't play
at all. And now it really is different team from team.

(01:01):
So my assumption when he says the guys will play,
if you got a hangnail, you'll probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Playing sure Dre Greenlaw isn't playing.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I know, be shocked. I'd say that.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Pats aer Tan the second has a pretty solid hangnail.
For all of us, maybe we agree the best thing
is for pats er Tan's hangnail to be uh and
and he actually do his shoelaces don't work something something
he just it's we don't need to see Dray green Law.
I don't want to see Tellano Hufanga.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
No, I've seen enough. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Look I think it's a straight freaking coold blooded killer about.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I love that player, love that player. It might just
be because it's what I grew up with, and I
know Scotty says it to you all the time. I
would take back going to a couple series for the starters.
First game, maybe a quarter of the second. And I mean,
I know there's West games and all that, but you know, go.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Out, have one good drive and be done.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Colin Nini, Well, that's a great thing about this year.
There's not this made u unnecessary quarterback competition that we're
having to endure. You know, remember last year in the
in the Indie game. I think it was the last
time Jared Stidham thought he had a chance of winning
that job. I don't think he ever thought we all
were told that he did. Let me ask you this,
do you think there's a little is it is Jared Stidham?

(02:20):
First off, I've grown to like Stidham's personality just listening
to him out there and the chatter and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Your boy Scott he hates his guts.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Why, but you know he's just mad at him that
he uh that that he makes the money that he
makes to never have to play, probably because I think, honestly,
if if if something were to happen to Bo Nicks,
I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately, just saym Ellinger somehow
ends up being your starting.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, that's what it's gonna ask. I mean again, look,
I don't know, you gotta go put out on tape
that you're putting out on tape. You gotta live with it, right,
But I mean, Ellen are the last couple, and we're
gonna go. I'm gonna go with the hard g because
that's what I heard all his college play people call him.
Not even my guy Tyler over there seems to know
what it is like.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I'll tell you what my guy Parker Gabriel from the
Denver Post. He calls him Elinger a a linger.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, that ain't right.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
It wasn't good.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
And I can tell Sean was really close to Sean's
plaining the mispronunciation.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Of I loved over the weekend.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
When Sean got mad at you, Sean got testy with you.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
He doesn't realize that.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
And I do research because because I know that in
the back of his mind, he just he just puts
you in the same group as the rest of us,
slappy like this guy know jack about ball and little
does he know you are a high school football coach.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
He can't mess with me, Sean, I coach five a
football in high school.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I know as much as you.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I promise that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Okay, what did he get mad at you?

Speaker 5 (03:47):
He he got mad at me because ultimately he didn't
have an answer get mad. But I don't know if
Spring might have the cut. But it's me asking him
the question, is there a comp for Zach Allen in
his career? And what I the way I prefaced it
was Zach Allen while he is certainly a defensive and

(04:11):
defensive tackle, a three to four defensive end, right when
you say four technique with some flexibility.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean I would say his primary home was
a four eye.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Sean took offense to the fact that I said that
he's essentially played everywhere in the front. That morning when
he signed his contract, I went back and watched every
snap where and exactly where Zach Allen was was lined up.
He ended up lined up as a as a rush
and a defensive end isolated on the other side up.

(04:41):
You ever remember those fronts where they overload one side
and they go center, Yeah, the center, and.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
They put Albert Haynesworth over me. Yes, yes, I remember.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
You were essentially get no help because you know, you
got to slide the guards to the three man side.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's like an extreme they did vance Joseph did.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
That was Zach Allen as the singled up guy, because
he knows that Zach Allen can bull USh lighter tackles, right,
because he's a different he's a different entity. So I
asked the question to Sean Spring. I don't know if
you have the clip or not today it was it
was on Saturday. It'd be the cutchy from Saturday, just
about comps for Zach Allen.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I asked him and.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Springs still got my ties in him.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Shoot Spring great, great time. Yeah, where'd you go? Spring?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
San Diego?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Sandago?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
A what kind of what's the weirdest thing you got
into Spring in San Diego?

Speaker 6 (05:28):
I got wasted on Monday night. Okay, good, it sounds
like wasted.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Go to his twitter. He gave us a.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Whole play by play.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, rundown.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Oh that was only a small snippet.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, but still, you know there's stories you can tell,
stories that you can't. Spring tried to go find the
ones that you can't. Yeah, anyway, so back to it, Sean.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Sean did not like the fact that I said that
he's lined up everywhere, and he also he couldn't recite
a comp so Sean's answer, but he.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Also improperly said that he's primarily a three technique, which
is not true.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I'm like, have you watched the film?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Like, he does line up at knows at times, he
does line up at three sometimes, but his home is
a four technique. Yeah, a four technique is lined up
directly over at offensive tackle and then you can kick
it and be a four eye if you have a
rush outside of you, right, And I'd be an inside
shade over at tackle. Right, So uh, he said, He's
let's just make it clear that his home is the

(06:25):
three technique.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I'm not so sure, but I don't know about that.
All right, I'm gonna ask you. I asked you the
question on the way out. We all had a little
chuckle because I think after last year, and I will
tell you, I think one of the greatest things to
influence my mind of what we're watching is you saying
last week, I've seen some of these practices before, and
me remembering last year, Oh yeah, a lot of this
stuff didn't look great in camp and then they found

(06:50):
a way to get it great. So is it just
part of Sean's process? You know what I mean? Is
it just part of them getting used to each other.
Because if we're gonna be honest, the two weeks, the
ten days, whatever it's been that we've all watch, they've
been pedestrian at best. You put it right when you
said Bo had a few plays a few throws today,
And again, what I hate is we always blame Bo.
There is not a lot of protection on most of

(07:11):
the plays he takes a snap from when they face
that first team defense, So it is a hell of
a secondary that they're going against. So I'm trying to
give him credit because now we know this is legitimately
a great defense. But at some point I'd like to
see the offense get a little flow and get a
little win here at.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
That So to properly answer your question, like context, right,
the history of the NFL, history of college, it doesn't matter,
history of any football training camp is that the first
five six days, the defense is normally gonna dominate. Look,
it's no secret a bunch of big, dumb animals get
you got the a gap, gay, you got the big gap.
How tough is this thing going to be? Okay, we're

(07:46):
running covered two today. That's what we got. It's not
the most difficult thing in the world. And so they
come out and they don't have to think as much
as an offense is thinking. They don't have to put
people in motion, they don't have to worry about who's
on the ball, who's off the ball, all the different
things that offenses is thinking of. And so they come
out and they usually kick your ass in the first
five or six days of training camp. But we are
past that point, and there is a cutoff point that

(08:07):
you say, Okay, when does the offense need to catch up.
We're about there, I mean, we're about at the point
of training camp that you say, okay, the excuses are gone.
If we're not early on, we've probably got I don't know,
what would you say, eighty five percent of the install
in if not more by now.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
And it seems like just about everything when you get
into the weeds of strange end of game situations. So
you see that weird play that they ran where it
was like end of game and the entire offensive line
and running back just sprinted to the right and bow
kept the football and sprinted hard left again. It was like,
I think that it's like twelve seconds left, Hail Mary

(08:45):
type situation where you can actually potentially use the quarterback
run to get inside the thirty five yard or something
along because it was really I've never seen it before.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I was like, that is interesting, that is weird.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Interest.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
It was like a misdirection, strange situation. But and bo
is trying to get out of bounds his walk through
to walk through sitting.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
When you start getting into those type of situations, you're
pretty much done.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
You're done, man, Like you have one hundred percent of
your install in.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
You were talking about the walk through Hill, Mary, all Right,
you know what I'm seeing the I'll be honest with
you what I'm seeing though, and I don't know that
it's gonna well, part of it is. Part of it is,
and I will admit maybe it's just part of my
bias or whatever you come into the season with. This
team does need a playmaker. This team does need a
tackle breaker. This team needs someone that, once the balls
out of Bo's hand, can do a little something with them.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Again, sorry, but I don't know. I'm hoping that's going
to be Troy Franklin.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
And I've seen enough glimpses that i feel like I've
got fair I feel like it's a fair.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Home tackle breaker though I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I mean, you're right that he's getting I think he
can run past every He gets behind everybody.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You see in the plays.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
He doesn't finish.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
He doesn't finish catches consistently, and it's just it's frustrating.
Like even on Saturday and opportunity bo I probably had
his throw of the day and it's a red zone
you know, bang post, a glance post and just perfect
back line ball. Troy just drops it again, like perfect throw.
He did it again today. I saw one in red zone.

(10:14):
He has a great over the shoulder fade ball back
corner of the end zone. He gets the separation and
the ball just goes right through his hands. I don't
know what it is. He just is like a dayly
eight dollars short type of receiver, even though he keeps
getting behind everybody.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
He's just got a different speed he does, is what
I'm getting too. It's different than what even Marvin mems
to be. It's different.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, here's what I'm hoping we see when we go live.
Evan Ingram is a guy that catches the ball evans
to get down. I know. That's why I say bo
at the offense, first offense and I have a great
day to day, and don't one else put it? I
seemed out of saint The timing wasn't there.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
I had a conversation with somebody friend of the program,
real real good friend of the program as it relates
to a Krekman and Lindall. He's saying like, I think
about one period of the entire training camp has been
won by the offense, yep, And I don't think that
I would. And it was that third and ten period
when the defense had dominated three straight weeks or three

(11:11):
straight practices, gets out there and Bo completes. I think
it was three out of five on third and ten plush,
which is a great period for the offense.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
And again, just to tip a cap to the young quarterback,
a lot of times when they do get something done,
it's because he escaped the pocket and made something happen,
you know at some point. Again, it is wild. This
is why these camps are so tough to watch. We
used to see more live action, and for dumb dumbs
like me, at least I could say, all right, the
blocking truly held up there. With the way they do

(11:41):
it nowadays, where you're never really in full pads much,
if at all, you do kind of wonder would that
have been a real rusher, if the offensive line felt
like they could have unloaded. Would that maybe not have
been the pass rush that we thought. But either way,
Bo's not getting a lot of time. Let me ask
you this as a coach, because this is what I
thought I sensed today and it was kind of the
murmurs in the media ville. So take it for what

(12:03):
you will.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
All of us morons, Yeah, us us that have internet shows,
But you and your Internet show, Hot Mike. You internet
show got.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Oh yeah, well it's little too. It very it's got
a little following, and it's only on an hour. So
my favorite thing about Hot Mike I love when you're
holding hot mic. Well, I always, yeah, I've got it.
I got no feeling in the hands left.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Speaking of which, well, that thing goes really long, like
if if you get on a post playoff win or
lost for the Nuggets, and Scottie Hastings jumps on, how
tired is your hand from holding a mic?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh yeah, well it's hey, I'm in a chair. I'm okay, Scottie,
you know, we we got it. He's laying down sometimes,
he is.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We need to get.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
What we need to do is get the old game
show mics that look like they weigh about two ounces. Okay,
so I got two things. I got a question for
you about Sean today, but you also brought up the
old I don't know why you brought it up, but
your hand hurting all that. I saw Alex Singleton today, okay,
and I just stopped him. He was walking by his
Saint Heli's being courteous. It probably wasn't supposed to, so
maybe I shouldn't be saying this, but I just go, hey,
can I ask you a question? Because I saw his

(13:03):
thumb unwrapped and I was like, he goes, yeah, what's up?
But I go, your thumb looks awful. I said, do
you like what a bunch of slubs like me you're saying,
we'll just throw a club on it. You'll get back
out there. And he kept giving me the tough guy
you know. I was standing with Rome and he's given
us the tough guy stuff. He's like, well, I mean,
you know it really is fine. He goes, they can
they could totally wrap it up there. Yeah, no, I

(13:26):
just it was so swallen got it was. I just
it's one of those things where I feel like we
as normal people, throw these and really is I wanted
to go Alex show the whole media what your damn
thumb looks like before we all get on our talk shows,
and they're like, hey, just tape it up, club it up,
go out and you'll be good. Awful people would not

(13:47):
be functioning with that hand. And he's just, man, He's like,
I'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
You know how many of our on air talent here,
this the crew, the lineup of on air talent.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
He'd be out a week.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
They wouldn't even show up to work to talk into
a microphone if their hand looking like that.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Now, so I broke this one. I broke I broke
my right one and you could see the leftover weird
my lockback guy, friend of mine, of all people, three
hits and the third one blew it up. So I've
got I guess I just have a little empathy for
that particular injury because I can remember the slightest little
Now again, you know, they do whatever they do, and
they give you the shots and they put you just insane.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Dude, this is insane. And he was laughing.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He's like, oh, I totally could go. He didn't think twice.
He wasn't singing me as sad song, he wasn't playing
a violin. He just is like, let's do it. Rock
it up. If we got a game right now, put
the club on and I'm going out there. I'm just like,
this is just a different world. Anyway. Did you feel
like Sean got a little frustrated, Like, again, there wasn't
any yelling. This wasn't the famous coach blow up, but man,

(14:53):
we took a lot of time between some huddles today. Yeah,
even like what felt like a first down, he stopped
the offense, he brought them all together, he talked with
him what felt like it probably was two minutes, but
it felt like five minutes, like a long pause in
the middle of whatever this drill was. Do you do
you think is that just coaching and refining a part

(15:13):
of the process, or Sean was frustrated today? It is
media availability. You sensed it.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
It was a far cry from the thirty three minute
Sean Payton telling all the stories. And you know what,
I think he's He's justified in his frustration because the
offensive unit overall just hasn't has it performed with any
level of consistency throughout the entire training camp. Is it

(15:43):
strange for me to say, which is so unusual in
an NFL city, that the player that I think needs
preseason reps the most right now is bo Nicks.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, I mean probably you got some new guys to
do some new things with you.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Also, confidence, man, Yeah, like like take the donut off
the bat and swing a heck of a lot lighter
bat than what you're seeing every freaking day in practice.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
So again, is that going against the twos just to
get some some lather going. Yeah, but then there's almost
it's funny. All the football guys hated. I was talking
to Nick ferguson the other day about this. He doesn't
like that idea. People weren't good on good, so it's
so funny.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
I had I had a scrimmage that I scripted, and
it was like, I was gonna go good on good
one on one one one O one D two O
two D, and I had it scripted for later in
the scrimmage to go one O versus two D, and
and I literally fought it in real time. I was like,
I scripted it, I communicated it to everybody, and then
when I made the decision to get to that spot,

(16:46):
I'm like, no, I want the best playing the best
because that's the only way that we're gonna get better.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I get that. But again, in fairness, I said this
early on, you know what, let's let's do this, let's
take our break, let's come back. I do. I do
think there are applausible, fair explanations through what we're seeing.
That doesn't mean the sky's following by any stretch, and
I want to get into those next. It's Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two to five.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You've got the Krekman and Lyndahl podcast. Listen live every
weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports Radio
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Speaker 3 (17:26):
All right, it is Krekman and Lindall. Nate Krekman is
off this week and then we'll all be together at Mark.
Nate and I have not been together for three weeks.
Mark and I both went to San Diego. Nate wasn't
cool enough to do that marking on. Dude, you went
to that Pacific beach bar where it's a Bronco bar.
You put it on Twitter and now there's a bar.
Oh yeah, in San Diego. There's a huge Bronco fan

(17:47):
base down there. I will never forget. The last game
that I did in the old Jack Murphy Qualcomm Stadium
of a thousand names that I went to was the
twenty fifteen season. Was now it's twenty sixteen, I guess,
but both games had massive Bronco fans. Matter of fact,
in twenty fifteen, when brock Osa brock Osweiler was in

(18:08):
the middle of his run, leading them to the Super
Bowl and going five and two in his seven game stint.
They actually had so much noise Philip Rivers could not
function in his own end zone in his own stadium
because that's how many Bronco fans were there and making
it a problem for them. So there is a big
Bronco fan base there. And Spring hit a bar that

(18:28):
we had literally just been in the week before. I
knew exactly where he was, and I kind of wanted
to be back there anyway.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
All Right, Lindell, were you ever like single in your twenties?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Oh? Yeah, I was never.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I basically met Anne Marie in college and then got
I got engaged going into my fifth year of playing ball, married.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
A week after graduation. Well good for you.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
So I missed Pacific beach bars. I missed all of
that world that exists out there. Frankly, it looks a
bit like a sesspool to me. Looks a little bit
kind of nerve, kind of dirty, greasy.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
You spend time and after a while it's kind of
like a hot tub where you feel like I probably
need to get out, probably had enough.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
But is it because of the heat of the hot
tub or is it because some of the floaties and
that it.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Would be a little a little b. Look, I don't
know what bars you think this specific beach bar is
by far. There's worse places to go. You got no idea.
I did learn you gotta call p B PB. Yeah,
you're a loser.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
You're a loser out of town if you call it
Pacific B.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Looking to interact with any of them? It's cool?

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Did you would you see like overall you've kind of
been on a pretty neat little fitness year in the spring.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I'm real proud of you. By the way your day.
He's got the body full on the beach spring.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Would it be appropriate for you to go tarps off
for the rest of his segment?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
He could? Wouldn't be appropriate for this, but he could. Man,
he just did it on X. Are you? Are you
the kind of guy? Right? X? Do you manscape? Man?
You keep it?

Speaker 5 (20:01):
You got to okay, so you were ready for PEEB
Now ask you, Springer, did you go to PB fully single?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Or no? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Yeah, very much?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
So what this is a fairly new.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Development for me and my relationship with you that involved
some some soccer matches, go into some some rapids.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Sure those didn't Those are all in your imagination, my friend.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Oh, they're the old days, the old days worried. This
makes sense why you've been on it.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
There's a new chapter and the chapter was glorious this
past week.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
So let me let me bring back to football.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, hey, I got a question for him bringing on
back to football.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Because Andy, you mentioned you know there's a good Broncos
fan base in San Diego, and you know I got
them starting four and oh week three in l A
against the Chargers, and I failed to mention this, but
it had been on my mind. It's me Bronco heavy
crowd at SOFI Stadium.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, I'm telling you there's a huge Well I don't
know about l A, but yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
The Broncos in la Is. They don't have Charger fans there.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
They love going out there. Bronco fans love going out there.
Remember they they moved that game a year ago off
the Christmas holiday, and I thought, no big deal. And
I was soundly educated by a number of fans that
were gonna take the holiday to go out there, watch
that game and spend a little time in California. So
I was wrong, all right. So I want to again,
I want to make this point about the struggles that

(21:17):
we're seeing because you just said it you would like
to have a couple of periods where maybe the offense
is won, which I won't argue that. Okay, I'm not
here to make excuses, but I legitimately think you had
talked about going good on good and that was the
theme of the conversation. But we have to accept this
Broncos offense. Though I think it's good, it's not as

(21:38):
good as the Broncos defense, nor necessarily should we expect
it to be. Last year was the beginning of this
version of the Broncos offense period, the Russell Wilson year.
Throw it out the door. It might as well not
ever have existed. So last year was the first year
of the build. This is going to be the second
year of the build. They added a couple more pieces,
and this defense has been building first off advance. Joseph

(22:00):
got here. You know, sometimes you get a house, and
you know, my first house that I bought, we liked
enough of the kitchen. We didn't do anything to it
right away. Lived in that house for three years. Kind
of the way we bought it changed a couple of things,
but I kind of liked what they did with the place.
That was probably one of the things that attracted me
to buy it in the first place.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
As long as the carpet matches and grapes, right.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, it's a huge We eventually did switch that up,
But my point being, vance Joseph got to move into
a house that had a lot of players that fit
more his style of what he wanted to do. He
and Vic Fangio weren't so far off. So not only
are they a year ahead on the build, they had
more people here to kind of try to help do
the build with with what they were doing, I guess
it was technically a Giro Everro, but Egiro Evro, Vic Banjo,

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it's all. They've stayed a three to four. They've had
that personnel in the building. You know, I've seen it
where you've had to do the massive the old school
from the three four to the four to three flip
like that was a big deal in the early two thousand.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
The VJA change was about more multiple fmplicity and you're
sure and utilizing your front players, namely guys like certainly
Zach Allen and Jonathan Cooper, Nick Benito as just multiple guys,
multiple guys, and then and then utilizing jaquant mcmill in
multiple ways, utilizing all of your personnel in various ways.

(23:21):
But then the number one thing that I see Giro
Avero and Vic Fangio, that tree that's also the Robert
Solid tree. It's a lot more zone coverage, a lot
more split safety coverage. Fairwell as this is the highest
percentage of man coverage in pro football.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well, it gives you some insight into seventy to twenty
that first year of this whole thing too, where guys
didn't seem to know what they were doing, and how
you let Tyreek Kill just run dead through the middle
of your zone without anybody picking them up, and you
go double the guy the PS two has it. The
help didn't need to be there. You left your zone
for no reason. But my point is the defense in
this development, in this we're seeing in Bronco football, has

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had the greater start, and so I don't think we
should be surprised that the Broncos number ones aren't quite
ready to compete with the with their number ones on defense,
at least the offensive number ones are not there. There's
still you talked about it, You're still trying to get
some things right. You're refining things again. Don't tell me

(24:22):
they had a bunch of the routes that they're putting
in for Evan Ingram planned out for Lucas Kroll last year.
You know, I'm sure there's new things Sean cannot wait
to do with Evan Ingram and RJ. Harvey and even
Pat Bryant. Tell me something. I know you said something
to Leggy while we were standing there. Are you. Are
you surprised by Pat Bryant? Yes, I mean for the

(24:43):
guy the book was the speed was not great, and
I know it's still something that from time to time
pops up. But man, this kid gets opening. He gets
the ball when he does.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
There's something to be said for for overlooking human beings
that are graduates to the University of Illinois. That's yeah,
Nate Krekman, I feel you sometimes you overlook him and
then he comes at you with it like a a
little singer. Get you right between you, get you here,
get you here, Pat Bryan, Man, that dude's his his

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play strength.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
There's terms like play speed, and I would say Troy
Franklin has crazy play speed. That's what That's what Tyler
Plumbus has been noticing, is he plays because he's a
bigger dude than you think he is. Everybody thinks that
he and Marvin Mims are the same prototype of receiver. No.
Troy Franklin sixty three. Like, I walk by Troy Franklin
every day before practice and I kind of do the

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you know, stand straight up, and I'm like, he's got
his helmet on, Like, is he taller than me? I'm
six three and five eighths man? At least, That's what
I tell myself, And he's right there with me. Pat
Bryant's big lower half guy, taller than you think he is.
I think he's listed in the six two range, but man,
he feels big his play strength. And I'm talking about today.

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There was a red zone rep. He ran a route.
It's a red zone concept. In the West Coast offense.
There's deep Colorado, which is a type of a it's
a post corner route, but you don't come out of
the out of the post at a high angle. You
come out almost like at the top of a question mark.
You know, when you draw a question mark, it's a
little bit of a an arc. It looks like a sickle. Sure, yeah,

(26:23):
holding a sickle.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
The reaper or the corn maze corn maze guy.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
So he ran that route in the red zone today
against Patzertan, the second who is probably the most physical
corner in terms of speed and physicality in the.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
National Football League. Dude.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
He he used his body to create separation and then
Pat was there. Pat was in position, and I told
patser Tan, So Tan was in position. But Pat Bryant
used his body and his strong hands to go fight
back to the football for a touchdown in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I go, oh, that's that's impressive. See, I'm telling you,
I think he could be a real red zone weapon
this year. I've seen him get open. He gets opened
so fast.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
There's another guy the best red zone target. Go ahead
and just laugh at me, make fun of me.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
You can go.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
You know, I understand that pro football's big business, but
you're undrafted free agent. That is absolutely gorgeous in pads
Joaquin Davis from North Carolina Central. He is destroying starting
corners for the Denver Broncos in the red zone in
one on ones. He is a baller and crazy ball

(27:35):
skills inside the red zone. I don't know if, like,
is there a chance there's a spot for him.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Look I've liked him from the get go because he
first off, he caught my eye in OTAs because I
thought he was a tight end wearing that age. Does
he not look and then I figured it's like a
big version receiver.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
He's like a bigger version of Ingram even though he
weighs somehow he weighs forty five pounds less, which doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Let me ask you, this is there any again? We're
sorely guys. I'll tell you my hesitation. I want to
come at you with hot take after hot take after
hot take, because that's where it paid to do, I
guess on radio, although on this show we try to
have a little fun and get you home with some conversation.
That said, I just you know how many camps I've
watched where the first two weeks were one thing, and
when we started playing games it became a whole different

(28:17):
other thing. That's what if there's always like a superstar
of the first two weeks of camp that just gets
washed out by the time you start playing games and
you get on the field and the real stuff shows,
and then the guy I always might any long time
listener to the show knows there's a running back on
the Broncos twenty to twelve team, Paton Manning's first year
named Xavier Oman, who went off al during camp and

(28:39):
he even had a good game against Chicago to start
his career. And Xavier Oman was nowhere to be found
by the time we got to the final cuts. So
that's why I hesitate some of these early couple of
week camp takes. Who was like a guy out there?

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I had a guy last year that was the apple
of may eye and he had been around Brion Johnson,
Brandon Jones.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Brandon Johnson, know he's he was the son of Charles Johnson.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
We all kept thinking this guy, Yes, we are Charles Johnson,
our favorite buff.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
No, No, I'm sorry, No, No, the catcher Charles Johnson
of Miami Marlins. Oh yeah, he does come from a
very rockyletic lineage. Yeah, former Rocky, former Marlin. I love
that one.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Like last year at training camp, I'm well, is he
my favorite receiver today?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Steve or Steve who was the other guy? Spring that
it was him and it was like at number seventeen.
They both were always we thought both of them were
gonna be good.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Jalen Virgil, No, it was Jalen Virgil was the dude.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
It was Brandon Johnson and Jalen Virgil and they caught
everything in Camp and Michael Fast and Michael Bandy again
Michael Bandy, but does Michael Bandy Michael Camp guy? He
is Camp?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
But does he not look like he could play?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But they're the guy.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I mean again to where I look at it from
what I've been doing, is this shows you why this
league is so damn hard to even just break into.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Is Sean Payton ever really had the Brandon Stoke league type?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
It's a great question. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
I can't think renfro type.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
The name some more branded stokely West that telling you
he's looking for the white slot receiver. That's shifty spring,
he's shop. I wasn't picking who was it. Who was
the guy that was even smaller that went to the Patriots,
Dan Wood?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, he was a Chadrin State guy. Yeah, Chadrin Yeah, No,
I don't know, Chad Shack and a bed.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I mean, he was going through all the former players
he had before that were his joker the other day
in our long soliloquy about football, that actually was quite fun.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Dude, I almost asked him a question again. I was
getting last week, so he was going through the definition
of a joker, and I almost asked him because his
definition of the joker is is a tight end or
a running back that is plus in the receiving category
like above and beyond that you feel like you should
line him up as a standalone receiver. And I was
gonna ask him, Deebo Samuel, do you see him as

(31:07):
a modern day joker, which is a receiver that could
become a true running back in the backfield?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, so Cody says, Sean had Brandon Cooks, would you
call him what we're talking about? He was a smaller receiver,
but he was the see to me, he's more Troy
Franklin of the I'm Gonna run outrun everybody. Cooks had
serious time. He was six speed. He was six speed.
Didn't they have a problem at the end of his
career where kind of Drew Brees had lost a little
of the fastball and couldn't get it deepen on to.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Him set and Brandon Cooks had something about him that
was a bit different than that that category that we
were just defining, you know, the Wes Welkers and Uh,
you know renfro and Griff remember Griff Whalen who was
Andrew lux guy both at Sea.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Man Betty Royal was fantastic at it.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Trent Irwin, Trent Ierwin for the Cincinnati Bengals, Ryan Whalen
for the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Who the Bucks? Who is the Bucks guy.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
That Scottie Miller Scotty Miller is.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I don't know that Shawn's ever had one of those.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, they're they're they're receivers.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
These inside guys are the basketball body types.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Yes, yeah, Devon Valley is a slot receiver for Sean
Payton right now.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean, make no mistake about it. Wants the slant route.
You got no chance getting around my dude to make
a play. What do you think about Devon Valley? So
this is why I went off on the old speech
about the first two weeks. I don't know that Devons
popped to me the way he had last year. Quiet
And then you bring up a guy like Joaquin Davis
that you start to wonder, is there see I think

(32:39):
vle at minimums at least back on the practice squad.
But I don't know whatever, But do we worry about
a guy like vle he did show he could catch
the ball in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
In the last five days since Devon Valley has been
been back from whatever ailed him, because something ailed him.
If you're in a mini camp and then earlier in
trade camp, he was a bit of a he was
a milk carton, truly.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
He went on the field for one or two.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Practices, came back out there looked like he was kind
of nursing something. I couldn't tell what exactly it was.
Had a leg sleeve on just one leg, so it
could be soft tissue, could be like knee inflammation, whatever
it might be.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The look, yeah, it could be sweet.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Sean Payton has a little bit of that Michael Malone
syndrome where he's gonna kind of go with the known
commodities guys, and if he's gone, like Devon Valley had
to become his guy because he's drafted in the seventh rounds.
So like the investment in de von Valley wasn't insanely high,
he became one of Sean's trusted agents. And I would

(33:39):
argue man Julil McLoughlin, as much as it appears he's
had a bit of a kind of a slower training camp.
It's picked up in the last three or four days.
He is he has a Sean Payton. He's in the
club man Michael Burton, who was actually noticeably absent from practice.
I think several of these last couple of days. Also
a known Sean Payton guy.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, the thing that makes me laugh is Burton will
be the guy that they probably wave anyway, tell the
stay in town. He's cool to do it because he
doesn't want to move. He'll get waived in the initial cut.
They'll make their whatever machinations to whatever injured list you
got to go on, and they'll re sign him after
it's all said and done. You know, it's funny because
now I got to go to the whiteouts. So here's
who was there last year. Philip Dorrison, David Sills. That

(34:24):
was our guy, David Sills. I have no idea, but
he's not with them, David, but I knew there was
someone else's you got talking about.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
David Bills was our guy. Sills are very good.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Sills was very good in the games, and we all
were like, hey, there might be a spot. I think
Joaquin Davis may be him. Like you like that comp I.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Think that David Sills is not as dynamic as Joaquin Davis.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Okay, I like Joaquin a lot.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Believe David Hills twenty nine years old.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Though, Okay, okay, but whose spot is is he?

Speaker 5 (34:57):
He's also David Sills was also a fifth gen ceration
David Sills.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Really it was David Sills the fifth.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
He is David Sills v for the Fifth. That's a
lot of David Sills, man. I mean that takes you
back to not quite the American Revolution, but takes you
back to the Civil War, does it?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Not?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Sure? Yeah, fIF nobody had any We weren't getting a
lot of Braiden's and Jaden's and Hayden's and Maidens and
all that other stuff going on.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Yeah, so David Sills is in Atlanta Falcon, not a
Tajetage's back. Then we'll find out, man, we'll have a
chance to watch Michael Pennix Junior spin the football to
David Sills in some preseason football.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Are you pretty excited you see neither Pennix nor Kirk
Cousins is playing. What are you doing with Cousins? They're
just trying to keep him in bubble wrapped till someone
needs a QB. If you're the Browns orre you not halfway,
you wouldn't, but he is. They're apparently in on the
Arch Manning plan.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
But what is Arch Manning done in the college game
to make you think that you should make decisions to
suck today?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
All right? Let me in order to get him. Let
me ask you this his last name. It is his
last name, and I would ask you this was was
there not a little of that going on with Eli?
Eli Manning was a good quarterback. But I think Eli
Manning because he played for the Giants and has the
last name that he does.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Arch hasn't even started football game. Eli had started many
football fair enough, are you not?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Are you telling me the art started one? Maybe two?

Speaker 5 (36:22):
And it was He's a zone He's a zone read guy.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
If I gave you a pick all your Hall of
famers or potential hall of famers, how long before you're
taking Eli?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I'm taking them pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Really, I am over guys like John Elway. I'm a
big Steve you.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
I love the fact that that he got there twice
and he won twice.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's a big deal. Man with nine and seven teams,
he won Super Bowls. Man two of them all right? Sure?
How many super Bowls did he go to? Two? How
many do you win? Two? Yep?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
That matters, legacy, matters, big game hunting. Baby, it's Eli Manning.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
If the Broncos go to the Super Bowl this year,
would they look like those Giants teams? Good offense, exceptional
pass rushing defense, because remember that was their NASCAR package
they had, like it felt like they had nine guys
they could put down when it came to the Nickel
package to just get after you, they'd rush off all
four upfront. Could it look a little similar to that

(37:22):
where the Sean Payton is telling people?

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Where the Giants a little bit more offensive, skill position talented,
I don't know as.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
A Moni Tumor better than Portland Sutton, Wash David Tyree,
better than who do you want to go? Marvin Mims Devon?
Who is the number two on this team when they
go to line up and start on the first Sunday
of the year, Is it going to be Mims and
Sutton out there? Mims and are Sutton and Franklin going
to be at Sutton and Vle The.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Number two receiver is Evan Ingram without question? Well I
get that, but he's kind of being employed as a
number two receiver too, in terms of how he's being
aligned even during you know, periods of practice he's going
with the wide receivers as opposed to going with the
tight ends and the offensive line and working on running
you know, run blocking and pass protection. Evan Ingram's, without questioning,

(38:13):
your number two wide receiver on this roster. And then
if the actual like in the receiver room, it is
going to be a flavor of the week.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
It is and it was last year? Was it not?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Did?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Was your established number two? Last year? Here's what I love? Well,
you're established, and I'm trying to remember who they had.
I'm not sure they even really got to one, right.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Mims kind of felt like it for a for a couple.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Of games the beginning of the season did and Josh
we forget about it because he had his incident and
he never really played for the team. So Josh Reynolds
felt like it.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
And then when Josh Reynolds had his injury and then
also had a subsequent situation at the place of U
of Entertainment, Glendale Ballet, Yeah there it is the Glenda Ballet.
So he it ended up being Devon Vley for a while.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It did.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Then it was kind of Marvin Mims for it was
the flavor of the week. And then a bit even
Troy Franklin felt that it was trying. They were trying
to make Troy Franklin be the number.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
It's the number two. Yeah, here's the thing I would
like to see shorter route. It's the number two. You
hit your guy, Marvin Mims, and let's watch those punk
return skills take over. Let's get a little yak yardage
going that way. It was some tunnel screens. He was
pretty sweet. Tunnel screen game coach likes a tunnel screen coach.
Saw one thing today he can't wait to tell you.

(39:31):
Bet we'll find out what that is next.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
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Speaker 3 (39:48):
It is Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five. Mark Springer
back in town, Nate Krekman out of it. Last week
of vacation. I think Brett and Nat are gone this
week and then everybody's back to normal. We I'll go
up the chin straps after the first game is played,
and it's nothing but here for the rest because not
only do you have Broncos, then we get Avs and
we get Nuggets and the next thing, you know, there's

(40:09):
actually important stuff talk about no else. We get here
pretty soon. What's that Preps football? Preps football getting going
real quick?

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Wins zero week, it's the twenty second.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Gosh, it's so early this year. August that's to me.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Then, uh, Scrimmage week is the week before.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan on the rants. I
understand that the school folks have got their challenges laid
out for them, and I get it. Mom was a
teacher the whole time, so I have empathy for empathy
and admiration for those working in the school system. But
I would request to the administrators this one tiny thing,
and my kids aren't too bad oft victims of it
to where we live. Why can't we just start school

(40:50):
in September and keep them in school a little bit
longer In June just feels like you get a lot more.
There's a hot weather in August than you.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Do in g when's the last time you had an
eight and a ten year old in your house at
the same time?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Me never, because my kids are six years apart. Yeah,
when you.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Have an eight when you have an eight and ten
year old boy in the house at the same time.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, probably like my two dogs that just can't stay
off each other. There's some rough housing or Shenanigan's constantly going. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
So when you're working, you know, right now, I'm working
a lot of hours, you know, and kind of wearing.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
A couple different enough.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Mom is had enough, right, Miss an Marie wouldn't mind
if yes, if the end of summer was uh sure
was July first?

Speaker 3 (41:28):
No, I get that.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
I do you remember when that was kind of a
it was in vogue. Was a year round school?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh they tried that here for a bit. Yeah, I
never I couldn't.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
It's a weird deal, you know what the new thing
kids doing that? But I'll tell you it's a wild
thing that's in vogue right now. It's like school districts
that give almost two full days off a week, like
no Friday school.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Real Have you heard about this? No?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
No, there's there's districts in the state of Colorado where
they have like full days off every week. And I'm like,
how did how do people do that? Like like parents
of kindergarteners that work, the two parents that are the
are working nine to five rs.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Just leave him at home, figure it out. No big deal.
So you not, it's not expensive? Can I pay the teas?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
No, that we were going there. We were going there.
The one thing that Mike Stanford saw today he couldn't
wait to tell you about.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
So there's a player that I fell in love with
a year ago on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh not David Sills, Okay, no, David.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Sills, Brandon Johnson, love those guys, but the guy in
the defense side of the ball that has training camp
went on. And then really when preseason games started, I
was was watching the film on the NFL Plus app
and I said, that, dude's he's special. That's Joan Ellis.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Joan Ellis. You know, that was one of my guys
from the draft class last year. But I covered his dad.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Luther Love the Bloods, great family from men. Four of
them are playing in the National Football League with the
last name Ellis with two s's.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yes, pretty cool, you remember that.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
So Jonah Ellis a bit of a kind of a
slow finish to the season. He was banged up.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He had an injury. He sustained it.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
I think it was about mid season and he just
felt like the the juice was gone, the explosiveness, the
tenacity off the edge was gone. It was frankly because
he was nursing an injury.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I think the off.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Season was even a little bit slow, and the return
to training camp it wasn't just this I'm back moment,
because when you get out at training camp, you've seen
Jonah Ellis. Is he a huge guy, especially compared to
his dad?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Right? No, And he's not like his dad is all
because his dad was a defensive lineman. Got to remember that.
He almost kind of.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Looks like a traditional linebacker, but he's a defensive end
atge rusher. Sure, he's been working back in with the ones,
and he has been on fire the last ten days
of training camp. You've got Ellis, You've got Cooper, You've
got by Jonathan Cooper, and there's.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
A guy decent this. You know what? Was son of
a jag? Help me out here? Was it you or
was it Tyler that called the chip that Benito was
facing the other day Friday? Do you remember that we
were all standing together and that's why couldn't.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, Tyler hated the chip presence.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
That's right. He goes to the chip, he sees the chip,
and he saw Benito adjust and then Benito went and
beat both guys and got to the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
That's funny because Benito knows when he's being chipped.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Okay, that's the other thing I wanted to ask you,
But I'm glad you brought that up. And yes, hey,
I love jon Ellis too. Let's keep a watch on him.
But again, the more you can rotate. If you want
to replicate the Broncos twenty fifteen Super Bowl defense, you're
gonna need four pass rushers because that's what they had.
That's what they had. They went four pass rushers deep
on the outside. When he came to DeMarcus where von Miller,

(44:47):
Shack Barrett was in his bag a lot. He was
doing great things. And even though I'm marty forgetting his
name because he wasn't a great Bronco for a long time. Hey,
who did they draft and ended up having the Chiefs
tattoo on his back? Remember him? Shane Ray.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
That didn't exactly materialize, No it.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Didn't, but Shane Ray as a rotational pass rusher was
great for them. And if the Broncos can get that
out of a Jonah Ellison and Jonathan Cooper and Nick
Benito and maybe they get another you know, there's a
couple of the other Q Robinson's at his moments, even
though he's dealing.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
With the thing right now, I hate it too because
I was super excited. So interestingly, Q Robinson and Joan
Ellis they end up playing the same position when they
see two tight ends or a full back and the tailback.
So when you're getting into twenty one or twelve personnel
and vance Joseph ops for base defense, where you have
four down linemen, namely that's gonna be your Malcolm Roach

(45:41):
and or DJ Jones, you know, and then your two
edge players or Zach Allen, you know, and then to
the to the boundary you have Nick Benito linebackers. Right
now it's Lavell Bailey and Justin Strenad. And instead of
either ja Kwan McMillan or or John A. Barn being

(46:02):
the nickel, they actually play with either Jonah Ellis or
ke Robinson in that sam position. Think traditional old school
smash him, smash mouth for three football, three four football,
big middle lineback.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
So Ironically, Jonah Ellis looks more like a linebacker body type.
But I don't love Jonah Ellison coverage.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
No, I don't think a lot.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Ke Robinson looks like a he looks like a traditional
d N. He looks like think Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well that fifty one though, he looks plenty right for
the stand up rush job for me, that son of
a gun can cover. Well, then there, let's get him,
Let's get it going.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
We need to get that whatever that stiff legged brace
that he has on right now.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Not a huge fan of it all right before we
gets you out of here today, and Mike Sanford will
be with us again tomorrow. We got Jeff Leagwall coming in.
Well really just kind of a hodge podge week. Now.
The good news is Friday we get to talk to
Jeff Lagwald fresh off of watching the San Francisco practices,
So that's gonna help us. I wish we could go
all go out there and watch it. I'll be excited

(47:12):
to go watch the Broncos and the Cardinals get together
because I do like the joint practices. What do you
want to see out of think? What do you think
we get tomorrow? First off, seem like today for fighters.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
For whatever reason, I feel like you're getting pads tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Do you think so I just got to because I
don't think. I don't think Peyton and Shanehan agree. Do
you think they go full pads to their one practice.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
They should Broncos Packers were last year, were they not?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Well, that's a West Coast offshoot, So yeah, I think
you're right, so we should get that. Then if they
go real hard in pads Thursday, do you think they
maybe changed their plan about starters playing Saturday? If we
get a good, you know, a good two hour lather
in pads for joint practice.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Who should you definitely not see on on the in
the preseason game?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Uh? He is too?

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Nick Benito, Nick Benito, Zach Allen?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Sure? Uh? Whufonga? Yep? Telling who? Alex Singleton? No chance? Man.
I'm so torn on Bonnicks because I wouldn't mind him
getting a chance to get some looks against a lesser defense,
which I think the Niners will bring. But I don't
want bon Nicks hurt.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Crazy as it sounds, you have to play Bonnicks in
the preseason.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Is the longer gonna sneaky? Surprised to him. That's what
I was gonna ask. I'll tell you what, man, you want.
You want to go kind of going on today?

Speaker 5 (48:29):
You want to go ahead and steal some money and
laugh all the way to the bank. Download that Circus
Sports Colorado app and you put some serious heat on
some on some three legged parlays all surrounding Ellinger.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I got home. When we get to game day, you'll
probably still see the majority of the action. Yeah, he's
not playing around. He likes going deep. Today we were
all there. He's all the fun. He ran out and decided, well,
nobody's coming, so he ran down the sideline and then
he directed the rookie that number thirty nine, the rookie
tryout guy Kyrie, bump and bump him so we could
go and jump into the end jumped into the end zone.

(49:05):
Table was actually fun though. Whereas the other two guys
seemed a little frustrated, he was actually just out there
having a little fun.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
You imagine how that Sam Ellinger point five over under
touchdown passes.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
The overall day, if that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
I mean, you imagine that one point five combined touchdowns
for for Ellinger. Yeah, between rushing and see a couple
of tds for him, seventy nine and a half yards. Spring,
you're gonna hammer that. For Sam Ellinger, Spring is.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
So back to be. He's back in time to hit
a little hit a little football.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
About just in time season football.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Sam Ellinger, The parlays are gonna Do you have any
good times.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
With the Hall of Fame game?

Speaker 7 (49:45):
No, dude? Is he one downside of California.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Is yeah, you're they're geo tracking you.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
You know what I see in the in the horizon,
and it's more of the eight mile horizon.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Sure, the boats sing the Sean Payton horizon, not the
Zach Allen.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
So my Sean Payton eight mile horizon. I see myself,
the man, the myth legend.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Jeff Lagwald. Well, he's coming in next and we'll get
to it after this on Altitude Sports Radio