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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, it's Crukman and Lindall. Nate's out all week.
(00:03):
Mark Springer, I produced the show. I'm in with Andy
the rest of the way. Andy Lindall is getting ready.
It's getting ready for Bronco season. That's what he's doing
right now. I assume you know how ready Andy Lindall
is for Bronco season is that he's in the hallways
right now sniffing the smelling salts. That's what he's doing.
(00:27):
That's how ready he is. Except we learned today that
the NFL is banning smelling salts and ammonia packets. George
Kittle revealed that on NFL Network today, and George Kittle
was big mad. He was big mad because he said
he smells those things before, like every drive. He said, Andy,
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how are the smelling salts in the hallway?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah? What is going on with this? I had not
heard about this. Everybody's blown it up. So the NFL
is banning these things, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And George Kittle's not happy. I'm sure he's not alone.
George Kittle looks like a smelling salt guy. The hockey
players love their smelling sauce. Yeah in the key for
the one they get with that all the time. Oh,
he tried it where.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ryecroft likes to just sneak him on guys and he
gets Keifer in Moser with him all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and Kyle didn't. I think he had like one
of those like you know, like when you like put
your teeth on a popsicle, that cringe feeling, you know,
So you've.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I've never smelled him. I've never heard there just it's
awful that it seems awful. So, but you've never tried
it eat, Yeah, I probably wouldn't take. Yeah, I don't
need it to I don't need that lingering. It seems
like something that linger in your nostrils, you know, like
uh like ron Burgundy and burns the nostrils.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I don't it's probably worse than sex panther.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I would think that it is. So it's just brutal. Yeah,
I'd like to do they have an Do they have
an open explanation for this thing? You're not seeing anything yet?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, No, George Kittle just said their band and he's
not happy.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All right, you know what I gotta go through. We
gotta figure out somebody we could talk to as to
why they like him. And all that kind of stuff.
Can we get right now? Just fires them up, like well,
it's supposed to wake you up. I think, wake you up,
take out of the dold rooms. You know, it's like
a quick cup of coffee or whatever. But again I
don't yeh, yeah, I don't know. Some guys remember John Randall.
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Do you remember the old Vikings defensive tackle John Randall?
And they used to show you may be too young,
but they'd show video of him and he'd have a
trainer that'd come up every day and literally like full
on slap fight slaps to his face. He'd have him
do like four or five to each side just to
wake him up, and he'd scream and go play, you know,
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but that it was just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we were kind of talking about this yesterday, like,
you know, the defensive lineman, kittle tight end. Guys need
to fire themselves up. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Though, Quinn says it gets the brain going. Jeff Hall
says they keep jars of him on the hockey bench
every game. That doesn't surprise me. Another text in one
of our regulars uh says, a quick buzz and an
influx of oxygen, okay, alert makes you feel super alert
and focused. See that would makes sense. Why the why
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the hockey players like it, especially if you kind of
gets you because our guy VAL's always sniffing them, right,
and then I don't know, you go out and see
the pucky focus in.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Look, dude, happy Gilmore had to take batting cage baseball's
to the chest.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's right to get them for it. By Yeah. Somebody
says it wakes up the brain, but it's probably bad.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, it's probably not good for you. There's I don't know,
the gut feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Jess says it clears out your sinuses. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I'm telling you. We got to find the John Henderson
if you can find if I can find it, I'll
send it to you. We'll put it on the big
screen behind us, because it it's it's funny. Not Henderson
Randall And I say, I said Randall.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You originally said Randall. Yeah, sorry, you were doing smelling something.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know what. Patty cakes. Patty Cakes is right too,
John Henderson, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
John Henderson was a he was a big old so
I got a funny John Henderson. It wasn't funny, but
the first road game that I did in the regular
season on the Broncos was like early two thousands. It
might even in two thousand and five. But we go
to Jacksonville and all I remember is some happened where
Matt Leps's hit Stroud. He blocks Marcus Stroud, uh or
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maybe it was I don't remember a Stroud or Henderson,
but anyway, we'll say Stroud. Stroud gets blocked, he trips,
falls in Ruben Drones, goes to cut block him and
broke his leg like a nasty, nasty injury. And John
Henderson was big and angry, and he came over like
one of these. Stroud and Henderson were two of the
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most massive human beings I'd ever seen on a football field.
There the defensive tackle paired a four to three defense
for the Jaguars, and so Drowd's upset about or Henderson's
upset about it, comes over and just starts screaming at
the side, like I'm telling you, spring the largest angriest
human being I'd ever seen to that point in my life,
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screaming at the Broncos sideline. I'm maybe seven yards away
from all this, and all of a sudden, John Lynch
jumps in and starts screaming back at him and like
Lynz is half his size, and all I'm thinking, I'm like, dude,
what are you doing it?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Don't make it worse. He see you get a fifteen
yard personal foul if you do anything, you know, still
stand up to him.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The spring, this guy was so angry and the threats
were flying. I'm like, I don't know if there's a
Bronco player big enough to stop this dude.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He was.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He was huge, huge, and this was their Shanahan two
hundred and seventy five pound offensive lineman time. Right, there
ain't no Ryan Clady hanging out ready to come over.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
There was no Quinn Miners that was going to show
up and kind of lay justice, you know. I just
was like, holy cow. They were big individuals, so all right,
well everybody sole down, Uh well, even playing field.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Let's monitor George Kittle's production this year. Does this affect him?
I'm just curious. Does this didn't go for college? Do
you not allow him in high school? I mean, what
in hockey in the NHL? Perhaps I don't, I don't know,
I don't. Yeah, I'm curious to see the reason.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Is Phillips says they were using him in the firehouse.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm sure they Yeah, you know, you gotta go
put out those fires. I would need to get hyped
up for that big fire.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Scary all right, Dude, where do you get these at?
Do you just go and get these at like a
random I don't. Can you go to Dick's Sporting Goods
and get some smelling salts or something? Is that you
need ant like the pharmacy or whatever?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Do you need a dealer?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Should we try it for the radio show? They would
probably like it if I took a couple.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, you can get dude. Google literally says you can
get him at Walmart. You can get him at Coles Coles,
That's what I said. Where do you buy smelling salts?
The B twelve store, Walmart, Supercenter. Coals are the first
three things that pop up.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Why would Coles? What? Look when you're hanging that faux
painting that you bought the print of the painting that
was forty five bucks originally priced one forty five. By
the way, if you buy anything full price of coals,
you're a sucker. Get that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Get that coals cash?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah you got But the problem with the coals cash
you know what, I figured out. I don't shop there
as much anymore, but once upon a time when we
were new homeowners, that was like the more affordable place
to buy the decorations. The coals cash isn't They don't
put anything on sales. Coals cash week, Your coals cash
is your sale.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Also, you can't use coals cash on like Nike and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Thing you actually want to buy the coals cash. If
you want to buy the caspray and whatever, then you
can have Maybe you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Could buy smelling salts with it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Why you sell those coals? I don't get that. Hey,
when I've done hanging that, I'd like to hit a
smelling salt to really focus in on what it looks.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Buying paintings is boring you to hype yourself up.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, okay, but you can't buy what you go buy
and walk out the store, hit a couple, then go
back in for the painting. You're all jacked up for
your uh perfectly priced comforter set or whatever. So all right, well,
maybe we'll give him a try. I don't know if
I can think of it and can go find some
See this is where Nate would come through. This is
where we need Nate back in town, so he could
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come through and go get these and then he'd make
me do it the next day.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Air would be something, that'd be something.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, but again I'm afraid of the lingering.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You might vomit.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, the lingering smell is I don't want to deal
with that, you know what I mean? You break them
open right like something like a stick.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like does the smell get on your hands?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Eric Rabbers says, you needed to pick up some cargo shorts. Now, man,
the shorts are fine. You don't need smelling salts to
get that perfectly great piece of fashion. So yeah, there
you go. There, there it is.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's a thing. That's an nos are.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Gonna be upset. So what are they gonna have to do?
Is this the equivalent of baseball getting rid of the
sticky stuff that got the pictures? All? Man?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
By the way, do you remember that game?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Did that? I'd forgotten about the whole check in the
hands and tell them watching the game last night and
one of the Toronto pitchers comes off and they're still
doing the check the hands thing. I didn't really think
we'd keep that around.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They just don't camera. Yeah, and you know, Alice Hey,
speaking of the Rockies, you know, mentioned their series win
over the Pirates yesterday and I called them like the
crap I saw a Nate Krkman term the crap tacular
Pirates and some texts.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Like, hey man, the Pirates have won like x out
of x games since the break. They're actually playing pretty well.
And then the Blue Jays come to town and beat
them fifteen to one. Yeah, yeah, an actual good team.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, that's you know, they're their first place in the
Al East, which is a good division.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Someone wants us to get a bath bomb. Someone else
is giving us all the thing for smelling salt. El
We have a text here going change a diaper, smelling salts,
take out the trash, smelling salts, getting intimate smelling salts. No,
how would she take that? Or he whatever? Where hold on,
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let me let me really lock in here.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Smell geez.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
All right, well, let's see Eddie Royal used to him
right before the kickoff returns.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Watching a Rockies game. You need him before that?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You kidding me? Watching a Rockies game like you need
one every inning? Last night was burrutal burrutal, and it
felt like the Jays like I went walked the dog
for an hour and came back, and the Jays were like,
not letting the game go not they can still come back,
let's add on, let's add on.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, when you're facing Rockies pitching and you gotta boost
your stats, I don't think you never underestimate that you
want to boost your stats.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Chris says, Coles sell them for the husbands that are
forced to be there with their wives.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's kind of what I was alluding to. Yeh, you're
just like, I gotta be here.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh you're not done yet. Oh we're going to the
other side of the store. Here we go, here we go.
All right, I'm ready, I'm ready. Let's go look at
some cook wear. You know, the only player is you
can get a cook wear and some kids shoes all
in the same place. Now it's uh, by the way,
how about Seth Halverson. Everybody's saying, you can't trade Halverson,
can't trade Halverson?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, and he he suffered an elbow injury.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh they're thinking, did you hear? Like everybody on the
broadcast is just saying they're just waiting for the Tommy
John's dyck.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh really, I had seen an update, yes, maybe before
the game, that they were optimistic he could be back
before the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really, because both the broadcast crew and even even the manager.
I'm forgetting the manager didn't sound so good after the games.
But maybe they should have traded.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm like trader Ryan McMahon traded Jake Bird, traded Tyler Kinley. Good,
should have traded even more.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I agree, should have got rid of any of your
starting pitchers. Poor Austin Gomber. How bad do you think
he wanted out of here?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think he's a UF I think agent.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No way he's coming. So why would you why you?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I know they got like what like some nothing prospect
for Kinley? Fine, fine, something is better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm with you, and you need all the young arms
you can get. All right, we promised the list. We
got a couple of them. Is there a list the
Broncos will never get off of? We tell you what
that list is.
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here in the chair right now, do you.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Ever listen to classic rock station that talked about getting
the let out?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I did not, Hazy Why back in the day and
now of funked Denver station, you used to like to
get let out City KBPI when it was on a
different dial position. It was wild. We used to have
two of them. Did you know that now there's none.
I guess KVPI is still around, all right, three h three,
five oh four. I'm sorry my friends. They got a
lot of friends over there. Love the station. Forget about
it though. Do you listen to music in the car?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Okay, but not on a radio station, right.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I listened to ninety three three sometimes?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, my friends, there we go. I thought we'd
l at five? Is not always go on now that
I like that? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I rarely listen, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All right, we're in the back and Shanker Studios. Their
passion is justice. We appreciate them supporting us here today. Okay,
let's get to some lists. It's that time, you know,
we're almost done with summer, but not quite so we're
still listening. We're still out there listening things. And today
one of these things came across from CBS Sports about
the worst sports trades, that ranking the twelve worst NFL
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trade since two thousand. I would say this. I would
say that the trade we're gonna mention and you all
can figure out what it's going to be, it's just
about its placement would hold up for worst sports trade.
I don't think it's just confined to the NFL. So
let's get to it. We'll start, of course number one.
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There's a debate, but I don't think there's any debating this.
Deshaun Watson to the Browns is the one that knocks
Russell Wilson to the Broncos to the number two position.
But the worst sports trade of all time is DeShawn
Watson to the.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Browns and it was So you have a list that's
all worse sports trades. This isn't just a NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
This one I've got pulled up is nothing but a NFL.
So give me the where would it rank you think
in sports trades?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Let me try to find worse sports trades of all time?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Because this one, Now, how about this one Randy Moss
from the Raiders. I believe the Raiders traded him to
the Patriots and he was actually really good for the Patriots.
They got nothing from from the Vikings. Randy Moss was
so good with the Vikings the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, I thought when the Broncos went to the Super
Bowl to play and they beat the Falcons, I thought
it was going to be Broncos Vikings. And I'm a kid,
but that Randy Moss on the Vikings was as seconds is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Very early in his career. Oh yeah, I mean just insane, dude.
He was so good as his rookie year. He was
teamed up with Chris Carter. They had Randall Connyham as
their quarterback. I'm telling you that was at nineteen ninety eighteen. Dude,
I don't know if the Broncos went back to back
Super Bowls. Now. Every guy that I talked to on
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that Broncos team, and from Atwater to Alfred Williams to
Schlare It to all the usuals that you can imagine,
they all said Ray Krockett. They said, they all claimed
they had something for him. They had to figure it out.
They knew how they were going to beat him. They
weren't afraid of them, they weren't worried about it, and
so I mean they're like confident, confident had they had
to play that game and that would have been that
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might have been one of the all time super Bowls.
I think Packers Packers Broncos is an all time super Bowl.
That game was so good, but for just pure entertainment value,
I would have liked to have seen because it was
like the one loss Vikings against the two loss Broncos.
There were three losses between those two. Ultimately ended up
being a two loss Vikings team because they lost in
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the playoffs, But that super Bowl would have been absolutely ridiculous,
ridiculous Reggie, it was Randall Cunningham. Culpepper came later nineteen
ninety eight. We get this text every time Colepepper was
a stud. But Cunningham was on the ninety eight Vikings
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that had Who was it? Who was the kicker that
missed it?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Like a single bar kicker.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh my gosh, I want to say Craig something, but
I'm probably not there.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm gonna go look up the roster now, because they
would have they would have been Garry Anderson, Yes, who
so Garry Anderson. I still remember. Hey, look, as a fan,
I was psyched, you know what I mean? Again, that
says a fan. You're like, I don't need to play
the best, approve her the best. I just want another trophy.
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It's fine. Bring Jamal Anderson and the Dirty Birds on down.
Bring nineteen thousand year old Chris Chandler on down. Who
was there? Tim DWIGHTE remember Tim Dwight.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Team because I was a kid. Jamal Anderson's like the
only dude I remember from that team.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Dude, it was a beast of running. And of course
Dan Reeves. Of course, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's what I thought is that it was Dan Reeves.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
John Elway would finish his career against Dan Reeves. How
about that? Okay, And again people are throwing out the
herschel Walker trade where they traded with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Did not make this CBS list. Yeah, that was crazy.
The hall that.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The Cowboys got from the Vikings for herschel Walker basically
build the Cowboys dynasty teams under Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Sure, it was unreal. That's interesting that that did not
make this list. So on CBS Sports, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
You, how far are we gonna have to go Football
are sports in general? I mean, I'm sure we could
dig up some baseball trades. Sure we can dig up
some basketball trades. But Russell Wilson, he gave up two
first round picks. She gave up three players. Now, those
three players weren't really much for the Seahawks. Shelby Harris
I think ended up being the best. Even though Noah
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Fans stayed the longest. Drew Locke never became their starter,
but Shelby I think was the actual best player that
then would move on after that year. You know, Noah
Fense was just fine, but you know, nothing special for
them to the point where now he's a Cincinnati Bengal.
But Russell never played it down under the contract that
you gave him. Two coaches, He got a coach fired
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and then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh yeah, it's really bad.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
This thing will never be I don't know what it's
gonna take to outdo that in Denver.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
History with someone on the text line and a couple
people have come in with the Nolan Ronado trade. If
we're going, uh, that's got to be the other one
in Denver history.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Okay, that is a great one. But let me ask
you this, Gomber has at least giving you. See again,
everybody we can pull out from that trade is at
least worked for you under the contract you then gave them.
They've at least contributed to some things. Well, but you
did give up fifteen does it?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Giving up fifty million? Is rough?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But does it help that Nolan and the Cardinals really
haven't done anything since the trade? And I love Nolan
and I still am mad that they made the trade.
But oh Luca to the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, if yeah, if you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is that gonna be worse some trade?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Though?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I meant he got to coach fired in his first year.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's a Anthony David. It's not a good trade. It's
a terrible trade, but it's not as bad as Ross.
It's not as bad as Nolan.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Chris Drewy trade was bad. I like Derek Morris, hell
of a nice guy, not a good hockey player for
that franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know. So I found uh here's an article from
remember the old page two on estan dot com. Yes,
and like Bill Simmons had his column on here, so
this must be an older article. But they have number
one and some Texas have come in with this Babe
Ruth to the Yankees from the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, that is h history. See here's the problem. I
didn't get a ce Babe Ruth play. I guess, judging
by the fact that one's a Hall of Famer and
the Red Sox were cursed until recent history. Yeah, would
tell you. Yes, that's far worse.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They have. Number two, Colts trade Lway to Broncos.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Really, see again, that's tough man. The Colts got Chris Hinton,
who was an All Pro offensive lineman for them. Okay,
so look at you now, I'm not telling you that
the Colts like again, Yeah, that trade sucks for the Colts.
The Broncos to go to four Super Bowls with John
Elway or what five Super Bowls with John Elway and
the Colts went to none.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But Chris Hinten did not play in a Super Bowl.
But I mean again, they still got a guy that
wasn't All Pro player at his craft, Russell Wilson. Russell
Wilson got Now again, I think there was some politics
behind it. But Russell Wilson got benched at the end
of his tenure year and never made a dollar under
the new contract they gave him. He made a dollar
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for because it was guaranteed, but never played one down
under the new contract. Never a down. If Chris Bryant
was a trade, would you rake that? Would that be worse?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Okay? But I think you have to say the Nolan
trade is worse because at least the Broncos flirted with
the playoffs and Russell even though like you said, hey,
he never sees the contract, he never plays under the
contract extension. I get that, but they did flirt with
the playoffs in his second year. Now it was weird football,
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but they won some games. The Rockies have done nothing
and have plummeted to one of the worst teams of
all time since the Nolan trade. And nobody, I mean
there was in his What Russ did in his second
season was and Gombers had a few decent starts, but
that is more impactful, you know, kind of getting an
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NFL team close to the playoffs than a handful of
decent Austin Gombers starts.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Fair enough, fair enough, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That trade is bad. Nolan's yeah, he's not, as he's
fallen off, but he's still good. He's still good.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Got are we more? Okay? So Denver fans way on
this two, three h three, five h four nine two five,
and then people are bringing in and a lot of
people have said this Matt de the latest one. And
you mentioned it right there. The Colts moved out of
Baltimore too, in the part of that trade too, when
Elway came to Denver. Isn't the russ trade made worse
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by the fact that we actually thought you had made
a good trade, Like again when you did what you
did for Nolan and we couldn't figure out why you
didn't get one of their top three prospects for the guy. Yeah,
nobody was. Nobody was applauding that trade. Nobody was to
the point where Dick Montford had to come out and say, look,
I gave them fifty basically so I didn't have to
pay him the other two hundred. I would have vowed
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him because the TV deal wasn't as good.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, No, I told us love the trade.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We loved the rust trade. I don't care most of
the people unless you were from Seattle and you knew
what they were dealing with. And our guy, Kevin Shackey,
who runs this station, has told me they could not
believe what Denver was doing at the time. And I
was like, why did you get You couldn't given us
a heads up somewhere. And we've had on his radio
host from his previous station that said they were laughing
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about it when it was done. So Seattle knew that
they had duped us apparently, But for the most part,
the response to Broncos Country was it was a party.
Let's go get the jersey. He had the number one
selling jersey to prove that Broncos Country was all about it. See,
I think the rest trade is worse because you thought
you'd done something right.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
But then but now the Broncos ever covered fairly quickly
from it. Does that ease the because if the what
if the Broncos you know, went Rockies because of that,
because it's the Rockies esque move.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Ooh, here's a good one. What about the Carmelo and
Chauncey trade. Now the Nuggets were competitive.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
No, the Carmelo trade was fine. In fact, the Carmelo trade.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Was well because you had to just because you had.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Actually the return was tremendous.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh, it's more than what we thought they were gonna get.
They got mos go Off, they got Denilo Gallinari, they.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Got Wilson Chandler, Felton or Raymond Raymond. But most importantly
they got the trade. They got the rights to the
draft pick that ended up being Jamal Murray. It's actually
a tremendous trade, all right, great trade.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, and he was gonna leave, Carmelo warned you. At
least Carmelo told giants sticking around.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And Natal point out that, you know, Carmelo did the
nuggets of solid by pretending to have interest in going
to Brooklyn to try to drive up the price from
the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's right, By the way, how about this from the
three four to seven Rockies weren't clowned by SpongeBob cartoon
on a national TV. Well, but the right, well, the
Rockies are clowned all that. They're clowned all the time.
Right now, let's go back and read. Remember the The
Athletic did a very extensive article on what what is
going on inside that? How about the Tulowitzki trade? That's right?
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Who's that shortstop.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
They got the Jose Reyis Did he ever play? Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He did, and then he got busted for domestic violence
and never played again.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right, Yes, and he wasn't that he wasn't very good.
He was once an n L M. VP with the Mets.
Jeff Hoffman was the key and now he's actually like
a decent reliever.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I know, well so's So's t remember he was he was.
You didn't even get anything for him, he just let
him go.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I can't put the Tulo trade above not
above us, no, yeah, or Nolan.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, see, I I just think. I just think the
fact that you really, you really bought in like the
the Nolan trade, the Rockies have been what I've expected, frankly,
the Rockies to be since you traded your best player
and didn't get the hall that you thought you would.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, and Nolan saw this coming. That's part of why
he called the organization out. He saw the trajectory they
were going on.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So that's why it doesn't upset me. I knew you
made a bad trade. I just think there's something when
you add the spiciness of thinking you had found your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Okay, but no, you were done. Let's go back to
the NFL. Though it's not it's not worse than the
DeShawn trade. Though it's not as bad as that.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, the De'shawn trade is the worst ever because you
know the guaranteed money you can't get out from this.
The guy's a terrible quarterback. That may be the all
time or sports trade. I don't know, Babe Babe Ruth
and the Yankees. If I had actually seen it, I
don't feel like I can argue with history I didn't witness.
We've all heard about the curse of the Bambino.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
And you know what's crazy about that era too, is
like because with this awful Rocky season, we've learned about
the Cleveland Spiders, right, and how like they were owned
by another better Major League Baseball team, so they just
traded all their good players to that other team. Right,
So weird stuff just happened in that era.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Because there was no oversight. It was barely a real league.
That supplows me away about what we were talking about
with the Rockies. For a while, this was not modern baseball,
wasn't even modern times. They were not taking airplanes from
city to city.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They were lighting trains as bad as the Babe Ruth
trade may have been and was, and they were cursed.
I mean, who doesn't believe in curses? I mean the
Red Sox that was just it's like a century. That's
a big deal. When they won that World Series and four. Now,
granted many Ramirez and David Ortiz are probably juice out
of their minds. Still was fun as hell though, to
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watch that four run Yeah, down three in the World
Series to the Yankees, Are you kidding me? And they
come back and win that thing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, we got a lot
of people win. What if we just changed from trade
to transaction sports transaction period, that's where you could get
Chris Brian in there, because he's a free agent signing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes see, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Chris Brian has been so bad for the amount of
money that you've given him. But again, it's not changing
what we were watching. Even if Chris Bryant would have
been perfectly healthy, you have more home runs, you probably
have a better run scored average, But ain't he ain't
winning more.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You're still the worst team in that vision.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You don't. You just don't have any pitching, you don't
have a bullpen, you don't have you know enough, I'll
just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Oh excuse me, ALCS not World Series. Yes, they beat
the Cardinals in the World Series. Thank you. Text line. Yeah,
that ALCS was awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Trying to think what else happened in Denver. You kept
Joe Sakic. Who else did you sign? That was all right?
See if we go to transactions, where does RUSS rank
when it comes to Team Mussoloni and Paul Korean? Paul
Korean in particular of the team Mussolani, Paul Korea, Era
and I remember being so excited. I was about ready
to go on vacation. You know, right before they they
did that, I was dancing out of the place I
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was working at, you know what I mean, just like,
awesome they got these guys, It's gonna be amazing. Like
Paul Korea, I barely remember him playing any games at
least team with Soloni played.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Didn't Korea always have injury?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He was injured that whole day time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But even like before he got to the ads, I
think with the Ducks, Yeah, it was fun. That was like,
was that just before the salary cap? Right after the
salary cap?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh, it was before because that's when they were everybody Yeah, ooh,
Mike Campton's a good one. Change it to try. But
you know what, Mike Campton. People forget the first half
of Mike Hampton's run. He was an All Star. He
made the All Star Game his first spring as a Rocky,
and then they traded his catcher, Brett Maine, and everything
went to crap after it was amazing, Well that.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Was the area where the rock and it's kind of
still is that way, Like they just have to over
had to overpay for pitching.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh, Patty Cakes. The Juwan James signing, there's a good one.
That guy barely played for you. I think I remember
two halves of Juan James football. See Peyton Hills for
Brady Quinn's a good suggestion. But the problem was the
coach and the player had something going on with each
other and uh, just a lot of personal stuff. So
that's why that trade was made. How about SGA This
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we've just mentioned a couple of times Clippers trade SGA
for Paul George.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's a bad trade. There was a lot of There
was a lot of draft picks too that went with
SGA to the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I like this comp the Abs getting Korea Slannie was
like the Lakers getting Malone and Gary Payton in their
older years. It's a real good comp Okay, Someone's asking
could the NBA could the MPJ trade end up? In
this conversation, a bad trade well for Denver, but I
don't expect it to and now I don't know. Now,
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maybe it goes I guess it could go wrong for Brooklyn.
I don't know what to expect out of MPJ unless
he shows us he's gonna start getting his own shot,
as Nate always talked about. Nate has harped on these
airways during this show that MPJ does not get his
own shot. You need another guy that can find a
way to get his own shot, and they've got that
with Cam Johnson.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Okay, And I've said the only way that the MPJ
trade is bad, but it will never be bad in
terms of like return, Cam Johnson's gonna be good. He's
gonna be just fine the only way. And I think
MPJ will play well in Brooklyn. It's a weak Eastern Conference.
I only win a ton of games.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But he could be the star of that team.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, he could be. It probably will be well. Look,
the only way it goes bad is if you want
to classify it as like a Miko Ranton in situation
where he comes back to the and I've said this,
if he comes back to the Western Conference and then
he burns you in the playoffs. Now, will MPJ ever
be the best player on a team like Miko was
on the Stars, and you could argue the Stars have
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a better player. I would say no, Miko's their best player. No,
but as a role player, like if MPJ were to
come back to the Western Conference and like ignite against
the Nuggets, then you know, only in a Mico Ranton
in situation could you say yeah. But not in terms
of return, Cam Johnson was a great return.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
People are saying the rant In trade will go down
is one of the worst. Again, we'll have to see.
Here's the thing that's tricky about both Ranton and and MPJ.
It's about what you freed up. Because to me, the
MPGA trade, I'm not worried about it, just being for
Cam Johnson. You were allowed to sign more players with
him gone. He's attached to everything they've done this offseason.
That would not have happened. Did you not move the
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salary now? Again, I'd like to see a few more
moves out of the abs, and I keep seeing rumors
that something's coming. We'll have to wait and see what
happened there.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I think nas Drury and it was one or
two draft picks It was a good return and it
also opened up you know, now you can go get Coyle, Nelson, everyone,
one of those dudes they couldn't have gotten had they
kept Miko Ranton in.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And again I understand the bitterness of how Miko ended
up playing against the Avs. We all hate that. But
then Miko kind of slipped back into the dad fans
calling for him to be traded here before he got traded.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I think the revenge factor was very real. I think
he that was the best I've ever seen Miko Ranton
in play. Yeah, those final three games of that series
with the best, and I've seen him play very well.
It was the best I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He also was pretty good against uh Winnipeg the next
series too, at least the start of the Winnipeg series. So,
by the way, a couple of interesting ones involving coaches
getting rid of Mike Shanahan for Josh McDaniels is a
good one. And uh, we're hiring Hacket period. See again,
if you knew what Hackey was gonna be, when you
wish they just kept with Vick one more year, it didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
We liked Hackett at the time. We liked the higher
and we also they hired Hackett before they traded for Russ,
so there was that thought of like, oh, is Anon
Rodgers coming, and then no, it turned out it was Russ.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And now why we liked Hacket though. See what I
liked about Hackey was everybody kept saying he was a teacher,
and then turns out no, he wasn't. You're wrong. He
didn't teach anything. He teaches you how to like goldmember. Right,
we gotta get to our break. There's another list too
that we've got to get to. We'll do it at
five point twenty. Mark Springer found this list and he said,
this is the true quarterback ranking. We also have some
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NFL network power rankings. Everyone's starting to rank their power.
We can rank some power. We did a little power
ranking last week and we got more coming up.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You've got the Krekman and Lynn Dahl podcast. Listen live
every weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports
Radio and on the Altitude Sports Radio Act.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh, it's another sure sign of football season. We've kind
of slacked off with all the vacations on just ranking
random things. But guess what, not a problem anymore now,
I don't have a full list of power rankings like
we would normally have on a Tuesday in the middle
of football, But I've got enough power rankings from NFL
Network to let you know we're gonna talk about it.
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By the way, you are you into this he Man
live action movie apparently they're making. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know I missed he Man, but I'm like familiar
with it. That's when I made this intro. I you know,
I was very much aware of the I've Got the
Power thing it every time I played.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's a throwback to when I used to watch after
school cartoons. I'll give you that hope.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It was better than the Power Rangers movie. That thing sucked.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I don't know that I got high hopes for. But
why is everything a live action these days? By the way,
because why did Lelo and Stitch need to be live action?
Why did how I, How to Change your Draft, how
to Train Your Dragon? I guess yeah, from you to say,
why is that live action?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
They did Lion King live action?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We just run out of stuff still, well, because they're
they're trying to you know, the older people have money
and they're tapping into our nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, you're of the age group they're going after now.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And they want us to go to the theaters and
see these things. But are you no?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, Nope, That's why I ask. All right, we've got
power rakings ahead of the first full week of preseason football,
which you'll get going later on this in this week,
did you say we have a Thursday game? Springer is
a Friday?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
No, we got a couple of Thursday games, obviously the
huge Cleveland Browns Carolina Panthers game on Thursday Friday. Excuse me,
where Sheeddur Sanders is starting. Let's see Thursday night, we
have Ravens hosting the Colts. Anthony Richardson getting this start. Okay,
you got the Eagles in, the Bengals and the Sea,
the Seahawks and the Raiders, h Pete Carroll and you
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know Smith going and they p it's gonna play his
guys to start. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Gonna be old school. I saw today at a quote
where he just was like, we're ready to go and
we're doing it all right, Good for you.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So those are your three Thursday games.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
All right. Since we don't have a number of lists
to go around, I'm just gonna go ahead and give
you the rankings here. Of we'll do the top fifteen,
which will be a hint the Broncos falling the top
fifteen of NFL dot COM's preseason ranking. If you got
a guest, where do you think they are? Well?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
ESPN had the roster ranked fourth. Okay, I'm gonna say,
without even like looking at anything, just ballpark? How about nine?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Nine? All right, Spring's locked in. Here we go. Number one,
your Super Bowl champions, the Philadelphia Eagles, and I think
that's fair. But honestly, they beat the Chiefs. Yeah, they
were the number one when we left last season. It
can be number one right now? Who do you think
is number two? Spring?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I mean I think it should be. I think just
out of respect, you gotta go Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
See they always they always do this.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
We fall in love with the Ravens and get them
all night and yes, only for them not to get
anything done in the playoffs. Remember the Ravens locked to
the loss to the Bills last year. Ravens can't beat
the Bills and the Bills can't beat the Chiefs. A right.
The number three is the aforementioned Kansas City Chiefs. Number four.
No shock, although maybe all right, who would you think
is number four?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean, top of my head, I would go Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It is the Bills. Are you surprised the Lions sit
of five?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
No more, Ben Jonson? That actually is kind of a
concern of mine.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, fair enough, then then they belong in five. There's
just a part of me that I think we all
forget how good the Lions are because they had a
bad weekend in the playoffs. But that team was phenomenal. Phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, and you know you just worry about Jared Goff ultimately.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Without his guy. It's fair enough, man, you lose the
play caller.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Don't get me wrong. Like I'm impressed that GoF is
kept it going and someone turned it around since leaving
the Rams. But there is there feels like a ceiling there.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
All right, who do you think is it's six?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, now I need to look at Oh gosh, um Bengals.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Ooh, I like the thought. No, it's actually from the
NFC and it's the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Woo.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Now that you brought up the Bengals. See again, I wondered,
But their.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Defense is gonna hurt them. But I just I look
at Burrow and like, I'm a quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay. Our first surprise, in my opinion, comes in at
number seven. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow, that's a lot of Okay. Now, let's so the
Commanders and the Buccaneers above the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Above the Broncos and above the Packers.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Look, I get it, Jayden Daniels is awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I don't really have a problem with the Commanders. Now,
you know, the Terry McLaurin thing's worth watching. But is
Leggy laid out to us yesterday, which I guess I
didn't put the apples to apples compared there? He said, Basically,
Terry McLaurin in his mind, is Courtland Sutton same age,
you know, maybe a slightly different skill set, but roughly
the same guy. And do you really want to pay
that guy big money? If if Courtland Sutton was looking
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to get a huge raise with the Broncos, have this
thing done right? Now? I don't know, but I think
Courtland Sutton asked for the right asked for the right
amount of money, and that's why things got done right. Sure,
But yeah, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thing, that really kind
of shocks it I mean again, if you're gonna be
if you're gonna downgrade the Detroit Lions for losing their
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play caller and having a good chemistry at the quarterback,
you have to do the same thing with the Bucks
because their guy, the weirdo Liam going Liam Cohen is
off to Jacksonville. Dude.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And I'm a huge Baker Mayfield fan, but even I
have to admit there is a ceiling on him.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And it's a good team.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
But the Broncos have that defense is incredible.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right all right? At eight is the Green Bay Packers.
See again, I'm surprised the Bucks are ahead of the Packers,
but again here are the Packers in Bengals.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was very high on the Packers last year.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
See I was too. But the Packers and Bengals have
to quit screwing around beginning of the season. Packers and
Bengals can't be waiting until November to decide they want
to lock in and get a key playoff spot. You
got to decide that stuff in September, you know what
I mean. Bengals chief among it, Bengals. I really wonder
what would the Bengals do if they actually got to
play anybody at home in the playoffs of note, you
know what I mean, and the Packers really the same way,
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especially when you consider that it's usually gonna be miserable
weather that nobody enjoys out there in Green Bay. Who
do you think is nine?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Real quick? Johnny Jazz Cabbage. Broncos kicked the crap out
of the Bucks and that was early in the year,
and that was in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It was in Tampa. I agree, Tampa's too high.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's too high. I like that team, but that's too high.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
They lost their play caller and they were just they
won the worst division in football.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
All right, number nine. It's probably not the Broncos. It's not.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Rams, it is How did you guess that?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Because I do feel like I overvalued the Bengals there
and people. Yeah, I get it. You bring in Devonte Adams.
Jared Verse was with defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yes, very good at getting to the quarterback. See again,
I think it's a risky ranking. I'm fine with you
right now, but watch the back situation with Stafford. If
I are the Rams, I'd be very nervous about the
back of one Matthew Stafford. Who do you think is
at ten? It's not the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I guess I'll go Bengals. Screw it, Minnesota Vikings, Okay,
I mean questions with JJ McCarthy though.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
See again that way too high, way too high. Yes,
you don't know how that new quarterback is going to
work in It's just that simple. And JJ McCarthy may
be a stud I'm not making any comment on that.
You have zero idea what this guy is gonna do. Sure,
the person that got you so good is off in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
At least I have seen bon Nicks, right, and.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So this is going to make it interesting. The Broncos
fall a number one, eleven eleven. This one goes to
eleven eleven, and that's the Broncos. So they're behind the Vikings,
the Rams, the Packers, the Bucks, and the Commanders at
this point because the top five are pretty much what
you'd expect. Now, Look, the Commanders made it to the
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NFC Championship Game. I don't think the NFC is as
strong as the AFC. I got no problem with the
Commander's ranking at all, but I think the Broncos, if
this is where you're putting teams, could easily bump ahead
of certainly the Bucks and the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
The Vikings for sure, because we haven't seen JJ. We
haven't seen JJ in the box as well, And honestly,
I consider RAMS too.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, honestly, when you don't know how healthy Matt Stafford's
going to be, I agree with you. It's a great point.
But they're ranking this before anybody plays a game. The
Bengals falling at twelve, I think that's a little low,
Chargers at thirteen, Houston at fourteen in San Francisco, rounds
out at fifteen. I guess we'll go to the halfway point.
Sixteen's where you find the Pittsburgh Steelers. So there you go.
The rest of them are at NFL dot Com. It's
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their preseason and rankings. But they've got the Broncos at eleven.
They go to eleven. I think they should have been
top ten with some of the teams you had in
the top ten front.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I like them right in that Commander's ballpark, and you
know Von's a commander.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Now, how about that?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
See if you can stay healthy coming out of the
bye week, you know, Chiefs before the bye week week eleven,
mid November. Then they come out of the bye week Sunday,
November thirtieth Sunday Night football in Washington. If everything goes
like according to plan and guys stay healthy, that is
an amazing Sunday night football match.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Oh, it's gonna be fun. Gonna be a lot of fun.
I'm a little surprised Broncos Commanders isn't earlier in the
year for exactly what you said. Hell of a football
game if you've got everybody healthy, So why risk how
much injury you have late in the year, although everybody
could it hurt in preseason two. All right, we're gonna
hit it more football when we get back. We've got
the five biggest stories of the day. It's the it's
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the High five coming up at five o'clock and at
five twenty Mark Springer is what he calls the real
quarterback ranking list. He'll explain why then
All right, it's Crukman and Lindall. Nate's out all week.
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Mark Springer, I produced the show. I'm in with Andy
the rest of the way. Andy Lindall is getting ready.
It's getting ready for Bronco season. That's what he's doing
right now. I assume you know how ready Andy Lindall
is for Bronco season is that he's in the hallways
right now sniffing the smelling salts. That's what he's doing.
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That's how ready he is. Except we learned today that
the NFL is banning smelling salts and ammonia packets. George
Kittle revealed that on NFL Network today, and George Kittle
was big mad. He was big mad because he said
he smells those things before, like every drive. He said, Andy,
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how are the smelling salts in the hallway?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah? What is going on with this? I had not
heard about this. Everybody's blown it up. So the NFL
is banning these things, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And George Kittle's not happy. I'm sure he's not alone.
George Kittle looks like a smelling salt guy. The hockey
players love their smelling sauce. Yeah in the key for
the one they get with that all the time. Oh,
he tried it where.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ryecroft likes to just sneak him on guys and he
gets Keifer in Moser with him all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and Kyle didn't. I think he had like one
of those like you know, like when you like put
your teeth on a popsicle, that cringe feeling, you know,
So you've.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I've never smelled him. I've never heard there just it's
awful that it seems awful. So, but you've never tried
it eat, Yeah, I probably wouldn't take. Yeah, I don't
need it to I don't need that lingering. It seems
like something that linger in your nostrils, you know, like
uh like ron Burgundy and burns the nostrils.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I don't it's probably worse than sex panther.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I would think that it is. So it's just brutal. Yeah,
I'd like to do they have an Do they have
an open explanation for this thing? You're not seeing anything yet?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, No, George Kittle just said their band and he's
not happy.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
All right, you know what I gotta go through. We
gotta figure out somebody we could talk to as to
why they like him. And all that kind of stuff.
Can we get right now? Just fires them up, like well,
it's supposed to wake you up. I think, wake you up,
take out of the dold rooms. You know, it's like
a quick cup of coffee or whatever. But again I
don't yeh, yeah, I don't know. Some guys remember John Randall.
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Do you remember the old Vikings defensive tackle John Randall?
And they used to show you may be too young,
but they'd show video of him and he'd have a
trainer that'd come up every day and literally like full
on slap fight slaps to his face. He'd have him
do like four or five to each side just to
wake him up, and he'd scream and go play, you know,
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but that it was just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we were kind of talking about this yesterday, like,
you know, the defensive lineman, kittle tight end. Guys need
to fire themselves up. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Though, Quinn says it gets the brain going. Jeff Hall
says they keep jars of him on the hockey bench
every game. That doesn't surprise me. Another text in one
of our regulars uh says, a quick buzz and an
influx of oxygen, okay, alert makes you feel super alert
and focused. See that would makes sense. Why the why
(03:13):
the hockey players like it, especially if you kind of
gets you because our guy VAL's always sniffing them, right,
and then I don't know, you go out and see
the pucky focus in.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Look, dude, happy Gilmore had to take batting cage baseball's
to the chest.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's right to get them for it. By Yeah. Somebody
says it wakes up the brain, but it's probably bad.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, it's probably not good for you. There's I don't know,
the gut feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Jess says it clears out your sinuses. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I'm telling you. We got to find the John Henderson
if you can find if I can find it, I'll
send it to you. We'll put it on the big
screen behind us, because it it's it's funny. Not Henderson
Randall And I say, I said Randall.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You originally said Randall. Yeah, sorry, you were doing smelling something.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know what. Patty cakes. Patty Cakes is right too,
John Henderson, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
John Henderson was a he was a big old so
I got a funny John Henderson. It wasn't funny, but
the first road game that I did in the regular
season on the Broncos was like early two thousands. It
might even in two thousand and five. But we go
to Jacksonville and all I remember is some happened where
Matt Leps's hit Stroud. He blocks Marcus Stroud, uh or
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maybe it was I don't remember a Stroud or Henderson,
but anyway, we'll say Stroud. Stroud gets blocked, he trips,
falls in Ruben Drones, goes to cut block him and
broke his leg like a nasty, nasty injury. And John
Henderson was big and angry, and he came over like
one of these. Stroud and Henderson were two of the
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most massive human beings I'd ever seen on a football field.
There the defensive tackle paired a four to three defense
for the Jaguars, and so Drowd's upset about or Henderson's
upset about it, comes over and just starts screaming at
the side, like I'm telling you, spring the largest angriest
human being I'd ever seen to that point in my life,
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screaming at the Broncos sideline. I'm maybe seven yards away
from all this, and all of a sudden, John Lynch
jumps in and starts screaming back at him and like
Lynz is half his size, and all I'm thinking, I'm like, dude,
what are you doing it?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Don't make it worse. He see you get a fifteen
yard personal foul if you do anything, you know, still
stand up to him.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The spring, this guy was so angry and the threats
were flying. I'm like, I don't know if there's a
Bronco player big enough to stop this dude.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He was.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He was huge, huge, and this was their Shanahan two
hundred and seventy five pound offensive lineman time. Right, there
ain't no Ryan Clady hanging out ready to come over.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
There was no Quinn Miners that was going to show
up and kind of lay justice, you know. I just
was like, holy cow. They were big individuals, so all right,
well everybody sole down, Uh well, even playing field.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Let's monitor George Kittle's production this year. Does this affect him?
I'm just curious. Does this didn't go for college? Do
you not allow him in high school? I mean, what
in hockey in the NHL? Perhaps I don't, I don't know,
I don't. Yeah, I'm curious to see the reason.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Is Phillips says they were using him in the firehouse.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm sure they Yeah, you know, you gotta go
put out those fires. I would need to get hyped
up for that big fire.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Scary all right, Dude, where do you get these at?
Do you just go and get these at like a
random I don't. Can you go to Dick's Sporting Goods
and get some smelling salts or something? Is that you
need ant like the pharmacy or whatever?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Do you need a dealer?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Should we try it for the radio show? They would
probably like it if I took a couple.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, you can get dude. Google literally says you can
get him at Walmart. You can get him at Coles Coles,
That's what I said. Where do you buy smelling salts?
The B twelve store, Walmart, Supercenter. Coals are the first
three things that pop up.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Why would Coles? What? Look when you're hanging that faux
painting that you bought the print of the painting that
was forty five bucks originally priced one forty five. By
the way, if you buy anything full price of coals,
you're a sucker. Get that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Get that coals cash?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah you got But the problem with the coals cash
you know what, I figured out. I don't shop there
as much anymore, but once upon a time when we
were new homeowners, that was like the more affordable place
to buy the decorations. The coals cash isn't They don't
put anything on sales. Coals cash week, Your coals cash
is your sale.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Also, you can't use coals cash on like Nike and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Thing you actually want to buy the coals cash. If
you want to buy the caspray and whatever, then you
can have Maybe you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Could buy smelling salts with it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Why you sell those coals? I don't get that. Hey,
when I've done hanging that, I'd like to hit a
smelling salt to really focus in on what it looks.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Buying paintings is boring you to hype yourself up.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, okay, but you can't buy what you go buy
and walk out the store, hit a couple, then go
back in for the painting. You're all jacked up for
your uh perfectly priced comforter set or whatever. So all right, well,
maybe we'll give him a try. I don't know if
I can think of it and can go find some
See this is where Nate would come through. This is
where we need Nate back in town, so he could
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come through and go get these and then he'd make
me do it the next day.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Air would be something, that'd be something.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, but again I'm afraid of the lingering.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You might vomit.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, the lingering smell is I don't want to deal
with that, you know what I mean? You break them
open right like something like a stick.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like does the smell get on your hands?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Eric Rabbers says, you needed to pick up some cargo shorts. Now, man,
the shorts are fine. You don't need smelling salts to
get that perfectly great piece of fashion. So yeah, there
you go. There, there it is.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's a thing. That's an nos are.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Gonna be upset. So what are they gonna have to do?
Is this the equivalent of baseball getting rid of the
sticky stuff that got the pictures? All? Man?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
By the way, do you remember that game?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Did that? I'd forgotten about the whole check in the
hands and tell them watching the game last night and
one of the Toronto pitchers comes off and they're still
doing the check the hands thing. I didn't really think
we'd keep that around.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They just don't camera. Yeah, and you know, Alice Hey,
speaking of the Rockies, you know, mentioned their series win
over the Pirates yesterday and I called them like the
crap I saw a Nate Krkman term the crap tacular
Pirates and some texts.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Like, hey man, the Pirates have won like x out
of x games since the break. They're actually playing pretty well.
And then the Blue Jays come to town and beat
them fifteen to one. Yeah, yeah, an actual good team.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, that's you know, they're their first place in the
Al East, which is a good division.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Someone wants us to get a bath bomb. Someone else
is giving us all the thing for smelling salt. El
We have a text here going change a diaper, smelling salts,
take out the trash, smelling salts, getting intimate smelling salts. No,
how would she take that? Or he whatever? Where hold on,
(10:15):
let me let me really lock in here.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Smell geez.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
All right, well, let's see Eddie Royal used to him
right before the kickoff returns.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Watching a Rockies game. You need him before that?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You kidding me? Watching a Rockies game like you need
one every inning? Last night was burrutal burrutal, and it
felt like the Jays like I went walked the dog
for an hour and came back, and the Jays were like,
not letting the game go not they can still come back,
let's add on, let's add on.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, when you're facing Rockies pitching and you gotta boost
your stats, I don't think you never underestimate that you
want to boost your stats.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Chris says, Coles sell them for the husbands that are
forced to be there with their wives.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's kind of what I was alluding to. Yeh, you're
just like, I gotta be here.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh you're not done yet. Oh we're going to the
other side of the store. Here we go, here we go.
All right, I'm ready, I'm ready. Let's go look at
some cook wear. You know, the only player is you
can get a cook wear and some kids shoes all
in the same place. Now it's uh, by the way,
how about Seth Halverson. Everybody's saying, you can't trade Halverson,
can't trade Halverson?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, and he he suffered an elbow injury.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh they're thinking, did you hear? Like everybody on the
broadcast is just saying they're just waiting for the Tommy
John's dyck.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh really, I had seen an update, yes, maybe before
the game, that they were optimistic he could be back
before the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really, because both the broadcast crew and even even the manager.
I'm forgetting the manager didn't sound so good after the games.
But maybe they should have traded.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm like trader Ryan McMahon traded Jake Bird, traded Tyler Kinley. Good,
should have traded even more.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I agree, should have got rid of any of your
starting pitchers. Poor Austin Gomber. How bad do you think
he wanted out of here?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think he's a UF I think agent.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No way he's coming. So why would you why you?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I know they got like what like some nothing prospect
for Kinley? Fine, fine, something is better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm with you, and you need all the young arms
you can get. All right, we promised the list. We
got a couple of them. Is there a list the
Broncos will never get off of? We tell you what
that list is.
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Speaker 2 (12:44):
We were all on here on Krekman and Lindahl, we
get the letout. As Nate would say, had you been
here in the chair right now, do you.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Ever listen to classic rock station that talked about getting
the let out?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I did not, Hazy Why back in the day and
now of funked Denver station, you used to like to
get let out City KBPI when it was on a
different dial position. It was wild. We used to have
two of them. Did you know that now there's none.
I guess KVPI is still around, all right, three h three,
five oh four. I'm sorry my friends. They got a
lot of friends over there. Love the station. Forget about
it though. Do you listen to music in the car?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Okay, but not on a radio station, right.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I listened to ninety three three sometimes?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, my friends, there we go. I thought we'd
l at five? Is not always go on now that
I like that? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I rarely listen, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
All right, we're in the back and Shanker Studios. Their
passion is justice. We appreciate them supporting us here today. Okay,
let's get to some lists. It's that time, you know,
we're almost done with summer, but not quite so we're
still listening. We're still out there listening things. And today
one of these things came across from CBS Sports about
the worst sports trades, that ranking the twelve worst NFL
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trade since two thousand. I would say this. I would
say that the trade we're gonna mention and you all
can figure out what it's going to be, it's just
about its placement would hold up for worst sports trade.
I don't think it's just confined to the NFL. So
let's get to it. We'll start, of course number one.
(14:18):
There's a debate, but I don't think there's any debating this.
Deshaun Watson to the Browns is the one that knocks
Russell Wilson to the Broncos to the number two position.
But the worst sports trade of all time is DeShawn
Watson to the.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Browns and it was So you have a list that's
all worse sports trades. This isn't just a NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
This one I've got pulled up is nothing but a NFL.
So give me the where would it rank you think
in sports trades?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Let me try to find worse sports trades of all time?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Because this one, Now, how about this one Randy Moss
from the Raiders. I believe the Raiders traded him to
the Patriots and he was actually really good for the Patriots.
They got nothing from from the Vikings. Randy Moss was
so good with the Vikings the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, I thought when the Broncos went to the Super
Bowl to play and they beat the Falcons, I thought
it was going to be Broncos Vikings. And I'm a kid,
but that Randy Moss on the Vikings was as seconds is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Very early in his career. Oh yeah, I mean just insane, dude.
He was so good as his rookie year. He was
teamed up with Chris Carter. They had Randall Connyham as
their quarterback. I'm telling you that was at nineteen ninety eighteen. Dude,
I don't know if the Broncos went back to back
Super Bowls. Now. Every guy that I talked to on
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that Broncos team, and from Atwater to Alfred Williams to
Schlare It to all the usuals that you can imagine,
they all said Ray Krockett. They said, they all claimed
they had something for him. They had to figure it out.
They knew how they were going to beat him. They
weren't afraid of them, they weren't worried about it, and
so I mean they're like confident, confident had they had
to play that game and that would have been that
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might have been one of the all time super Bowls.
I think Packers Packers Broncos is an all time super Bowl.
That game was so good, but for just pure entertainment value,
I would have liked to have seen because it was
like the one loss Vikings against the two loss Broncos.
There were three losses between those two. Ultimately ended up
being a two loss Vikings team because they lost in
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the playoffs, But that super Bowl would have been absolutely ridiculous,
ridiculous Reggie, it was Randall Cunningham. Culpepper came later nineteen
ninety eight. We get this text every time Colepepper was
a stud. But Cunningham was on the ninety eight Vikings
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that had Who was it? Who was the kicker that
missed it?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Like a single bar kicker.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh my gosh, I want to say Craig something, but
I'm probably not there.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm gonna go look up the roster now, because they
would have they would have been Garry Anderson, Yes, who
so Garry Anderson. I still remember. Hey, look, as a fan,
I was psyched, you know what I mean? Again, that
says a fan. You're like, I don't need to play
the best, approve her the best. I just want another trophy.
(17:19):
It's fine. Bring Jamal Anderson and the Dirty Birds on down.
Bring nineteen thousand year old Chris Chandler on down. Who
was there? Tim DWIGHTE remember Tim Dwight.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Team because I was a kid. Jamal Anderson's like the
only dude I remember from that team.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Dude, it was a beast of running. And of course
Dan Reeves. Of course, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's what I thought is that it was Dan Reeves.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
John Elway would finish his career against Dan Reeves. How
about that? Okay, And again people are throwing out the
herschel Walker trade where they traded with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Did not make this CBS list. Yeah, that was crazy.
The hall that.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The Cowboys got from the Vikings for herschel Walker basically
build the Cowboys dynasty teams under Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Sure, it was unreal. That's interesting that that did not
make this list. So on CBS Sports, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
You, how far are we gonna have to go Football
are sports in general? I mean, I'm sure we could
dig up some baseball trades. Sure we can dig up
some basketball trades. But Russell Wilson, he gave up two
first round picks. She gave up three players. Now, those
three players weren't really much for the Seahawks. Shelby Harris
I think ended up being the best. Even though Noah
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Fans stayed the longest. Drew Locke never became their starter,
but Shelby I think was the actual best player that
then would move on after that year. You know, Noah
Fense was just fine, but you know, nothing special for
them to the point where now he's a Cincinnati Bengal.
But Russell never played it down under the contract that
you gave him. Two coaches, He got a coach fired
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and then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh yeah, it's really bad.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
This thing will never be I don't know what it's
gonna take to outdo that in Denver.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
History with someone on the text line and a couple
people have come in with the Nolan Ronado trade. If
we're going, uh, that's got to be the other one
in Denver history.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Okay, that is a great one. But let me ask
you this, Gomber has at least giving you. See again,
everybody we can pull out from that trade is at
least worked for you under the contract you then gave them.
They've at least contributed to some things. Well, but you
did give up fifteen does it?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Giving up fifty million? Is rough?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But does it help that Nolan and the Cardinals really
haven't done anything since the trade? And I love Nolan
and I still am mad that they made the trade.
But oh Luca to the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, if yeah, if you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is that gonna be worse some trade?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Though?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I meant he got to coach fired in his first year.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's a Anthony David. It's not a good trade. It's
a terrible trade, but it's not as bad as Ross.
It's not as bad as Nolan.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Chris Drewy trade was bad. I like Derek Morris, hell
of a nice guy, not a good hockey player for
that franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know. So I found uh here's an article from
remember the old page two on estan dot com. Yes,
and like Bill Simmons had his column on here, so
this must be an older article. But they have number
one and some Texas have come in with this Babe
Ruth to the Yankees from the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, that is h history. See here's the problem. I
didn't get a ce Babe Ruth play. I guess, judging
by the fact that one's a Hall of Famer and
the Red Sox were cursed until recent history. Yeah, would
tell you. Yes, that's far worse.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They have. Number two, Colts trade Lway to Broncos.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Really, see again, that's tough man. The Colts got Chris Hinton,
who was an All Pro offensive lineman for them. Okay,
so look at you now, I'm not telling you that
the Colts like again, Yeah, that trade sucks for the Colts.
The Broncos to go to four Super Bowls with John
Elway or what five Super Bowls with John Elway and
the Colts went to none.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But Chris Hinten did not play in a Super Bowl.
But I mean again, they still got a guy that
wasn't All Pro player at his craft, Russell Wilson. Russell
Wilson got Now again, I think there was some politics
behind it. But Russell Wilson got benched at the end
of his tenure year and never made a dollar under
the new contract they gave him. He made a dollar
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for because it was guaranteed, but never played one down
under the new contract. Never a down. If Chris Bryant
was a trade, would you rake that? Would that be worse?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Okay? But I think you have to say the Nolan
trade is worse because at least the Broncos flirted with
the playoffs and Russell even though like you said, hey,
he never sees the contract, he never plays under the
contract extension. I get that, but they did flirt with
the playoffs in his second year. Now it was weird football,
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but they won some games. The Rockies have done nothing
and have plummeted to one of the worst teams of
all time since the Nolan trade. And nobody, I mean
there was in his What Russ did in his second
season was and Gombers had a few decent starts, but
that is more impactful, you know, kind of getting an
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NFL team close to the playoffs than a handful of
decent Austin Gombers starts.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Fair enough, fair enough, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That trade is bad. Nolan's yeah, he's not, as he's
fallen off, but he's still good. He's still good.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Got are we more? Okay? So Denver fans way on
this two, three h three, five h four nine two five,
and then people are bringing in and a lot of
people have said this Matt de the latest one. And
you mentioned it right there. The Colts moved out of
Baltimore too, in the part of that trade too, when
Elway came to Denver. Isn't the russ trade made worse
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by the fact that we actually thought you had made
a good trade, Like again when you did what you
did for Nolan and we couldn't figure out why you
didn't get one of their top three prospects for the guy. Yeah,
nobody was. Nobody was applauding that trade. Nobody was to
the point where Dick Montford had to come out and say, look,
I gave them fifty basically so I didn't have to
pay him the other two hundred. I would have vowed
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him because the TV deal wasn't as good.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, No, I told us love the trade.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We loved the rust trade. I don't care most of
the people unless you were from Seattle and you knew
what they were dealing with. And our guy, Kevin Shackey,
who runs this station, has told me they could not
believe what Denver was doing at the time. And I
was like, why did you get You couldn't given us
a heads up somewhere. And we've had on his radio
host from his previous station that said they were laughing
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about it when it was done. So Seattle knew that
they had duped us apparently, But for the most part,
the response to Broncos Country was it was a party.
Let's go get the jersey. He had the number one
selling jersey to prove that Broncos Country was all about it. See,
I think the rest trade is worse because you thought
you'd done something right.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
But then but now the Broncos ever covered fairly quickly
from it. Does that ease the because if the what
if the Broncos you know, went Rockies because of that,
because it's the Rockies esque move.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Ooh, here's a good one. What about the Carmelo and
Chauncey trade. Now the Nuggets were competitive.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
No, the Carmelo trade was fine. In fact, the Carmelo trade.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Was well because you had to just because you had.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Actually the return was tremendous.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh, it's more than what we thought they were gonna get.
They got mos go Off, they got Denilo Gallinari, they.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Got Wilson Chandler, Felton or Raymond Raymond. But most importantly
they got the trade. They got the rights to the
draft pick that ended up being Jamal Murray. It's actually
a tremendous trade, all right, great trade.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, and he was gonna leave, Carmelo warned you. At
least Carmelo told giants sticking around.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And Natal point out that, you know, Carmelo did the
nuggets of solid by pretending to have interest in going
to Brooklyn to try to drive up the price from
the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's right, By the way, how about this from the
three four to seven Rockies weren't clowned by SpongeBob cartoon
on a national TV. Well, but the right, well, the
Rockies are clowned all that. They're clowned all the time.
Right now, let's go back and read. Remember the The
Athletic did a very extensive article on what what is
going on inside that? How about the Tulowitzki trade? That's right?
(25:35):
Who's that shortstop.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
They got the Jose Reyis Did he ever play? Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He did, and then he got busted for domestic violence
and never played again.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right, Yes, and he wasn't that he wasn't very good.
He was once an n L M. VP with the Mets.
Jeff Hoffman was the key and now he's actually like
a decent reliever.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I know, well so's So's t remember he was he was.
You didn't even get anything for him, he just let
him go.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I can't put the Tulo trade above not
above us, no, yeah, or Nolan.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, see, I I just think. I just think the
fact that you really, you really bought in like the
the Nolan trade, the Rockies have been what I've expected, frankly,
the Rockies to be since you traded your best player
and didn't get the hall that you thought you would.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, and Nolan saw this coming. That's part of why
he called the organization out. He saw the trajectory they
were going on.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So that's why it doesn't upset me. I knew you
made a bad trade. I just think there's something when
you add the spiciness of thinking you had found your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Okay, but no, you were done. Let's go back to
the NFL. Though it's not it's not worse than the
DeShawn trade. Though it's not as bad as that.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, the De'shawn trade is the worst ever because you
know the guaranteed money you can't get out from this.
The guy's a terrible quarterback. That may be the all
time or sports trade. I don't know, Babe Babe Ruth
and the Yankees. If I had actually seen it, I
don't feel like I can argue with history I didn't witness.
We've all heard about the curse of the Bambino.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
And you know what's crazy about that era too, is
like because with this awful Rocky season, we've learned about
the Cleveland Spiders, right, and how like they were owned
by another better Major League Baseball team, so they just
traded all their good players to that other team. Right,
So weird stuff just happened in that era.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Because there was no oversight. It was barely a real league.
That supplows me away about what we were talking about
with the Rockies. For a while, this was not modern baseball,
wasn't even modern times. They were not taking airplanes from
city to city.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They were lighting trains as bad as the Babe Ruth
trade may have been and was, and they were cursed.
I mean, who doesn't believe in curses? I mean the
Red Sox that was just it's like a century. That's
a big deal. When they won that World Series and four. Now,
granted many Ramirez and David Ortiz are probably juice out
of their minds. Still was fun as hell though, to
(28:07):
watch that four run Yeah, down three in the World
Series to the Yankees, Are you kidding me? And they
come back and win that thing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, we got a lot
of people win. What if we just changed from trade
to transaction sports transaction period, that's where you could get
Chris Brian in there, because he's a free agent signing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes see, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Chris Brian has been so bad for the amount of
money that you've given him. But again, it's not changing
what we were watching. Even if Chris Bryant would have
been perfectly healthy, you have more home runs, you probably
have a better run scored average, But ain't he ain't
winning more.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You're still the worst team in that vision.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You don't. You just don't have any pitching, you don't
have a bullpen, you don't have you know enough, I'll
just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Oh excuse me, ALCS not World Series. Yes, they beat
the Cardinals in the World Series. Thank you. Text line. Yeah,
that ALCS was awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Trying to think what else happened in Denver. You kept
Joe Sakic. Who else did you sign? That was all right?
See if we go to transactions, where does RUSS rank
when it comes to Team Mussoloni and Paul Korean? Paul
Korean in particular of the team Mussolani, Paul Korea, Era
and I remember being so excited. I was about ready
to go on vacation. You know, right before they they
did that, I was dancing out of the place I
(29:25):
was working at, you know what I mean, just like,
awesome they got these guys, It's gonna be amazing. Like
Paul Korea, I barely remember him playing any games at
least team with Soloni played.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Didn't Korea always have injury?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He was injured that whole day time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But even like before he got to the ads, I
think with the Ducks, Yeah, it was fun. That was like,
was that just before the salary cap? Right after the
salary cap?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh, it was before because that's when they were everybody Yeah, ooh,
Mike Campton's a good one. Change it to try. But
you know what, Mike Campton. People forget the first half
of Mike Hampton's run. He was an All Star. He
made the All Star Game his first spring as a Rocky,
and then they traded his catcher, Brett Maine, and everything
went to crap after it was amazing, Well that.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Was the area where the rock and it's kind of
still is that way, Like they just have to over
had to overpay for pitching.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh, Patty Cakes. The Juwan James signing, there's a good one.
That guy barely played for you. I think I remember
two halves of Juan James football. See Peyton Hills for
Brady Quinn's a good suggestion. But the problem was the
coach and the player had something going on with each
other and uh, just a lot of personal stuff. So
that's why that trade was made. How about SGA This
(30:39):
we've just mentioned a couple of times Clippers trade SGA
for Paul George.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's a bad trade. There was a lot of There
was a lot of draft picks too that went with
SGA to the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I like this comp the Abs getting Korea Slannie was
like the Lakers getting Malone and Gary Payton in their
older years. It's a real good comp Okay, Someone's asking
could the NBA could the MPJ trade end up? In
this conversation, a bad trade well for Denver, but I
don't expect it to and now I don't know. Now,
(31:12):
maybe it goes I guess it could go wrong for Brooklyn.
I don't know what to expect out of MPJ unless
he shows us he's gonna start getting his own shot,
as Nate always talked about. Nate has harped on these
airways during this show that MPJ does not get his
own shot. You need another guy that can find a
way to get his own shot, and they've got that
with Cam Johnson.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Okay, And I've said the only way that the MPJ
trade is bad, but it will never be bad in
terms of like return, Cam Johnson's gonna be good. He's
gonna be just fine the only way. And I think
MPJ will play well in Brooklyn. It's a weak Eastern Conference.
I only win a ton of games.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But he could be the star of that team.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, he could be. It probably will be well. Look,
the only way it goes bad is if you want
to classify it as like a Miko Ranton in situation
where he comes back to the and I've said this,
if he comes back to the Western Conference and then
he burns you in the playoffs. Now, will MPJ ever
be the best player on a team like Miko was
on the Stars, and you could argue the Stars have
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a better player. I would say no, Miko's their best player. No,
but as a role player, like if MPJ were to
come back to the Western Conference and like ignite against
the Nuggets, then you know, only in a Mico Ranton
in situation could you say yeah. But not in terms
of return, Cam Johnson was a great return.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
People are saying the rant In trade will go down
is one of the worst. Again, we'll have to see.
Here's the thing that's tricky about both Ranton and and MPJ.
It's about what you freed up. Because to me, the
MPGA trade, I'm not worried about it, just being for
Cam Johnson. You were allowed to sign more players with
him gone. He's attached to everything they've done this offseason.
That would not have happened. Did you not move the
(32:52):
salary now? Again, I'd like to see a few more
moves out of the abs, and I keep seeing rumors
that something's coming. We'll have to wait and see what
happened there.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I think nas Drury and it was one or
two draft picks It was a good return and it
also opened up you know, now you can go get Coyle, Nelson, everyone,
one of those dudes they couldn't have gotten had they
kept Miko Ranton in.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And again I understand the bitterness of how Miko ended
up playing against the Avs. We all hate that. But
then Miko kind of slipped back into the dad fans
calling for him to be traded here before he got traded.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I think the revenge factor was very real. I think
he that was the best I've ever seen Miko Ranton
in play. Yeah, those final three games of that series
with the best, and I've seen him play very well.
It was the best I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He also was pretty good against uh Winnipeg the next
series too, at least the start of the Winnipeg series. So,
by the way, a couple of interesting ones involving coaches
getting rid of Mike Shanahan for Josh McDaniels is a
good one. And uh, we're hiring Hacket period. See again,
if you knew what Hackey was gonna be, when you
wish they just kept with Vick one more year, it didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
We liked Hackett at the time. We liked the higher
and we also they hired Hackett before they traded for Russ,
so there was that thought of like, oh, is Anon
Rodgers coming, and then no, it turned out it was Russ.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And now why we liked Hacket though. See what I
liked about Hackey was everybody kept saying he was a teacher,
and then turns out no, he wasn't. You're wrong. He
didn't teach anything. He teaches you how to like goldmember. Right,
we gotta get to our break. There's another list too
that we've got to get to. We'll do it at
five point twenty. Mark Springer found this list and he said,
this is the true quarterback ranking. We also have some
(34:40):
NFL network power rankings. Everyone's starting to rank their power.
We can rank some power. We did a little power
ranking last week and we got more coming up.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You've got the Krekman and Lynn Dahl podcast. Listen live
every weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports
Radio and on the Altitude Sports Radio Act.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh, it's another sure sign of football season. We've kind
of slacked off with all the vacations on just ranking
random things. But guess what, not a problem anymore now,
I don't have a full list of power rankings like
we would normally have on a Tuesday in the middle
of football, But I've got enough power rankings from NFL
Network to let you know we're gonna talk about it.
(35:25):
By the way, you are you into this he Man
live action movie apparently they're making. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know I missed he Man, but I'm like familiar
with it. That's when I made this intro. I you know,
I was very much aware of the I've Got the
Power thing it every time I played.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's a throwback to when I used to watch after
school cartoons. I'll give you that hope.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It was better than the Power Rangers movie. That thing sucked.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I don't know that I got high hopes for. But
why is everything a live action these days? By the way,
because why did Lelo and Stitch need to be live action?
Why did how I, How to Change your Draft, how
to Train Your Dragon? I guess yeah, from you to say,
why is that live action?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
They did Lion King live action?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We just run out of stuff still, well, because they're
they're trying to you know, the older people have money
and they're tapping into our nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, you're of the age group they're going after now.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And they want us to go to the theaters and
see these things. But are you no?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, Nope, That's why I ask. All right, we've got
power rakings ahead of the first full week of preseason football,
which you'll get going later on this in this week,
did you say we have a Thursday game? Springer is
a Friday?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
No, we got a couple of Thursday games, obviously the
huge Cleveland Browns Carolina Panthers game on Thursday Friday. Excuse me,
where Sheeddur Sanders is starting. Let's see Thursday night, we
have Ravens hosting the Colts. Anthony Richardson getting this start. Okay,
you got the Eagles in, the Bengals and the Sea,
the Seahawks and the Raiders, h Pete Carroll and you
(37:00):
know Smith going and they p it's gonna play his
guys to start. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Gonna be old school. I saw today at a quote
where he just was like, we're ready to go and
we're doing it all right, Good for you.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So those are your three Thursday games.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
All right. Since we don't have a number of lists
to go around, I'm just gonna go ahead and give
you the rankings here. Of we'll do the top fifteen,
which will be a hint the Broncos falling the top
fifteen of NFL dot COM's preseason ranking. If you got
a guest, where do you think they are? Well?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
ESPN had the roster ranked fourth. Okay, I'm gonna say,
without even like looking at anything, just ballpark? How about nine?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Nine? All right, Spring's locked in. Here we go. Number one,
your Super Bowl champions, the Philadelphia Eagles, and I think
that's fair. But honestly, they beat the Chiefs. Yeah, they
were the number one when we left last season. It
can be number one right now? Who do you think
is number two? Spring?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I mean I think it should be. I think just
out of respect, you gotta go Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
See they always they always do this.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
We fall in love with the Ravens and get them
all night and yes, only for them not to get
anything done in the playoffs. Remember the Ravens locked to
the loss to the Bills last year. Ravens can't beat
the Bills and the Bills can't beat the Chiefs. A right.
The number three is the aforementioned Kansas City Chiefs. Number four.
No shock, although maybe all right, who would you think
is number four?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean, top of my head, I would go Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It is the Bills. Are you surprised the Lions sit
of five?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
No more, Ben Jonson? That actually is kind of a
concern of mine.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, fair enough, then then they belong in five. There's
just a part of me that I think we all
forget how good the Lions are because they had a
bad weekend in the playoffs. But that team was phenomenal. Phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, and you know you just worry about Jared Goff ultimately.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Without his guy. It's fair enough, man, you lose the
play caller.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Don't get me wrong. Like I'm impressed that GoF is
kept it going and someone turned it around since leaving
the Rams. But there is there feels like a ceiling there.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
All right, who do you think is it's six?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, now I need to look at Oh gosh, um Bengals.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Ooh, I like the thought. No, it's actually from the
NFC and it's the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Woo.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Now that you brought up the Bengals. See again, I wondered,
But their.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Defense is gonna hurt them. But I just I look
at Burrow and like, I'm a quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay. Our first surprise, in my opinion, comes in at
number seven. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow, that's a lot of Okay. Now, let's so the
Commanders and the Buccaneers above the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Above the Broncos and above the Packers.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Look, I get it, Jayden Daniels is awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I don't really have a problem with the Commanders. Now,
you know, the Terry McLaurin thing's worth watching. But is
Leggy laid out to us yesterday, which I guess I
didn't put the apples to apples compared there? He said, Basically,
Terry McLaurin in his mind, is Courtland Sutton same age,
you know, maybe a slightly different skill set, but roughly
the same guy. And do you really want to pay
that guy big money? If if Courtland Sutton was looking
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to get a huge raise with the Broncos, have this
thing done right? Now? I don't know, but I think
Courtland Sutton asked for the right asked for the right
amount of money, and that's why things got done right. Sure,
But yeah, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thing, that really kind
of shocks it I mean again, if you're gonna be
if you're gonna downgrade the Detroit Lions for losing their
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play caller and having a good chemistry at the quarterback,
you have to do the same thing with the Bucks
because their guy, the weirdo Liam going Liam Cohen is
off to Jacksonville. Dude.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And I'm a huge Baker Mayfield fan, but even I
have to admit there is a ceiling on him.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And it's a good team.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
But the Broncos have that defense is incredible.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right all right? At eight is the Green Bay Packers.
See again, I'm surprised the Bucks are ahead of the Packers,
but again here are the Packers in Bengals.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was very high on the Packers last year.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
See I was too. But the Packers and Bengals have
to quit screwing around beginning of the season. Packers and
Bengals can't be waiting until November to decide they want
to lock in and get a key playoff spot. You
got to decide that stuff in September, you know what
I mean. Bengals chief among it, Bengals. I really wonder
what would the Bengals do if they actually got to
play anybody at home in the playoffs of note, you
know what I mean, and the Packers really the same way,
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especially when you consider that it's usually gonna be miserable
weather that nobody enjoys out there in Green Bay. Who
do you think is nine?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Real quick? Johnny Jazz Cabbage. Broncos kicked the crap out
of the Bucks and that was early in the year,
and that was in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It was in Tampa. I agree, Tampa's too high.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's too high. I like that team, but that's too high.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
They lost their play caller and they were just they
won the worst division in football.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
All right, number nine. It's probably not the Broncos. It's not.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Rams, it is How did you guess that?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Because I do feel like I overvalued the Bengals there
and people. Yeah, I get it. You bring in Devonte Adams.
Jared Verse was with defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yes, very good at getting to the quarterback. See again,
I think it's a risky ranking. I'm fine with you
right now, but watch the back situation with Stafford. If
I are the Rams, I'd be very nervous about the
back of one Matthew Stafford. Who do you think is
at ten? It's not the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I guess I'll go Bengals. Screw it, Minnesota Vikings, Okay,
I mean questions with JJ McCarthy though.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
See again that way too high, way too high. Yes,
you don't know how that new quarterback is going to
work in It's just that simple. And JJ McCarthy may
be a stud I'm not making any comment on that.
You have zero idea what this guy is gonna do. Sure,
the person that got you so good is off in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
At least I have seen bon Nicks, right, and.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So this is going to make it interesting. The Broncos
fall a number one, eleven eleven. This one goes to
eleven eleven, and that's the Broncos. So they're behind the Vikings,
the Rams, the Packers, the Bucks, and the Commanders at
this point because the top five are pretty much what
you'd expect. Now, Look, the Commanders made it to the
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NFC Championship Game. I don't think the NFC is as
strong as the AFC. I got no problem with the
Commander's ranking at all, but I think the Broncos, if
this is where you're putting teams, could easily bump ahead
of certainly the Bucks and the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
The Vikings for sure, because we haven't seen JJ. We
haven't seen JJ in the box as well, And honestly,
I consider RAMS too.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, honestly, when you don't know how healthy Matt Stafford's
going to be, I agree with you. It's a great point.
But they're ranking this before anybody plays a game. The
Bengals falling at twelve, I think that's a little low,
Chargers at thirteen, Houston at fourteen in San Francisco, rounds
out at fifteen. I guess we'll go to the halfway point.
Sixteen's where you find the Pittsburgh Steelers. So there you go.
The rest of them are at NFL dot Com. It's
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their preseason and rankings. But they've got the Broncos at eleven.
They go to eleven. I think they should have been
top ten with some of the teams you had in
the top ten front.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I like them right in that Commander's ballpark, and you
know Von's a commander.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Now, how about that?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
See if you can stay healthy coming out of the
bye week, you know, Chiefs before the bye week week eleven,
mid November. Then they come out of the bye week Sunday,
November thirtieth Sunday Night football in Washington. If everything goes
like according to plan and guys stay healthy, that is
an amazing Sunday night football match.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Oh, it's gonna be fun. Gonna be a lot of fun.
I'm a little surprised Broncos Commanders isn't earlier in the
year for exactly what you said. Hell of a football
game if you've got everybody healthy, So why risk how
much injury you have late in the year, although everybody
could it hurt in preseason two. All right, we're gonna
hit it more football when we get back. We've got
the five biggest stories of the day. It's the it's
(44:55):
the High five coming up at five o'clock and at
five twenty Mark Springer is what he calls the real
quarterback ranking list. He'll explain why then
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