8/6/25 Hour 1 - Cross talk, Mike Sanford is with Andy this hour, Nick Kosmider joins the show to talk Broncos

00:00 Cross talk.

26:00 Mike Sanford is with Andy this hour.

41:20 Nick Kosmider joins the show to talk Broncos.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where are you at Andy with the red zone? Your
red zone guy?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You're not a red zone guy? No man?

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Again? Where am I?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
What do I do for a living here? What is
the point?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't know. Captain Spector would be all about it
with you.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh, everybody would be with me on this. Why there's
three guys of the five that are in here that
say they're not with you.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let me ask you this, Okay, I do think it's
about I do think it's about I guess what you
grew up with. My life growing up.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Was Broncos football in the NFL. In general, I had
the NFL chets, I had the NFL pencils.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
You know, I had all the little helmets. I love football. Okay,
So I like they talked about I want to know
the story of a drive, Like, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
The famous drive in Denver?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know how men crap plays took place on that
The ball nearly went off Watson's.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Rear end and screwed up a play second they got
act a bunch of hold on second about the fight
to second quarter Lions Titans Week three? You care about
the drive or do you care that golf is in
the red zone.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I saw the best analogy ever on here about the
red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I just don't know if I can read it, but
I really.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Wanted to use use alternative words, use like chocolate cake
or I don't know, this is tricky.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Do I need to look it up and help you here?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
We need to go back to the old K S
F M H D one, Broomfield, Denver, Boulder.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'll pull up the text on and try to find it. Well,
here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
If you radio pro and he's gonna figure it out for.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
You, Tyler, and he's gonna do so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
And he's about to radio radio splain, Scott, you got something.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I just have to clear my throat.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, clet me clear my throat.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Put that song on my watching by the way, Hang on,
Hang on, sports fans. October second in San Diego, Nuggets
basketball is back preseason action against the Timberwolves.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Can I go cover that? Can I come with you?
Go out to Chunga Arena please?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
October Second's shows out there for a while.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I'd like to go. Can I catch a Chargers game?
And they caught Mike gott to do a live podcast
from I think that would help the Hot Mike audience
row exponentially. All Right, I keep hearing I keep gearing
promos for you and Sanford's a little thing.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh well, we got sponsors. Why do you got guys
go to working? It's some money for the thing. Like
you work for these sponsors. I figured it out.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You work for these sponsors. Does everybody kiss your butt?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I did not not work for the sponsor.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, so here's my thing. You love baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm watching the Rockies right now, exactly, so.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
My question becomes, Yeah, what if they just had the
only home run channel and all you got out of
the game is whenever.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
A guy hit home run?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Because that's exactly what is awesome. Really, you don't want
to watch. You wouldn't want to watch an actual battle
like your boy warming Burnable.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
You mean every bell? You mean every single time?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't care every single time I'm gonna see a
home run hits. Just watch the home run Derby then
war that'd be see you've driven Tyler and Scott out
of here. We did it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Just so I'm trying to figure out what I'm trying
to find that the text that he's that he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't know what he's talking about, Josh, and Firestone
agrees with you one thousand percent, by the way, So
it's not just everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Of course, it's not you. You three are the weird
ones here. It's not me and Dan.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm not calling you weird. I'm not. I'm any people
love it. I just think if you really love the
game of football, you don't need it, that's all.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Springer is all in on red Zone. By the way.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
He's a gambler, of course he is. Well, it goes
to say, without the gamblers, I'll always love it, of course,
and the fantasy people, the gamblers, which is so much
of the NFL.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
If you're not in fantasy football or gambling, it's come.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
On, I do love it, and I'm not that of
all with But yes, if you are a gambler, of course.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
If you gave me the choice red zone or the ticket,
give me the ticket all day so I can just
watch the games.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I want to watch.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
The ticket is boring and.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
That you know what, Yeah, the ticket's not boring. You
find a good quarterback, you watch and play. I have.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Time.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I had the ticket last year.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
My friends and I split it they black out one hundred,
like half the games.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh, I didn't know that, really, I thought that was
the whole thing with the ticket you got everything.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
It must be a Denver thing because my buddies in
Phoenix say they didn't have an issue with it. But
literally half the games for me were blacked out.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
You know, it's the tickets only when I had it,
and I had it through direct TV. I'm certainly not
paying the five thousand dollars it cost to watch that
thing now.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
But when I had it, the.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Only the CBS and Fox games were blacked out.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
That was it.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It was the only two and it only and it
would tell you you have to go to the regular
channel on the television to watch it. You're telling me
that they shouldn't be taking things away. What's the point
of paying for it?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Again?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
The only game is he blacked out? Were the two
you already had in your market? That was it?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Did you not realize that I.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Don't have cable?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Is that part of the problem.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I don't have cable.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Hey, you don't have rabbit ears.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I was screaming, Actually, just all right. I was screaming
at vict this morning because we disagree about the bow
next up. But I'm like dying to like talk to
him because I know he feels the same spring.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm glad is a basketball guy.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I don't even get this. I just think it's I.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Just think we all have our favorite sports. Hey, third,
look at me when you're talking. Why are you staring
at the I feel like we're one of those bad
diala dates where you're already looking at your other options.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Look Kevin in his office and uh no, he's right here.
You can go in there.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Sean's walking around. Don't know who you got? You got
no other options here? Oh you know what, you can
go talk to Big Rob.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Big Robs.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I love, Well he's there. That's that's who you can
next diala date, Go talk to Big Rock.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I got to figure out how to kill a couple hours.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Brandon's gone. Oh, Jill's gone.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I know that's so sad.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I think Steve's here, you guys, Sal's gone.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I do have the rest of the Rockies game to
be able to watch great. It is addressing when they
when they just play somebody who's I mean, they just
have are getting their ask at three games in a row.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Like it's just no, I was with you last night,
and we're going to talk about it at some point today.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I got Mark Johnson coming in here.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, what time's he coming in?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Four o'clock. Yeah, he's gonna be in studio for a
couple hours.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
One of the things I want to cover is is
this one of the most embarrassing moments in Denver history,
because I do think the fact that they're going to
escape worst team all.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Time, right, Yeah, I was with you.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh I don't know though, Andy, So it is still
in flux. Twelve games?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are you out of your walking bed?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Not yet? No, not even getting close, right, twelve games?
They got to win twelve more.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
If they play, if they play like they did last
I mean, dude, I saw the moment you were talking
about when when who was it burnable? And good men
run into each other? You can't even get a dang
pop fly called right right, And they've had.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Like three or four of those moments just in July.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
We're like, this is embarrassing baseball.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, last night was maybe the worst managed and operated
game that I've seen in a long time. Usually the
Rockies have been pretty scrappy. Now they'll get their ass kicked,
but usually they're pretty scrappy and hang around and whatever.
But last night, like Warren Shaffer was terrible, Like they
couldn't figure. They left Molina, who was the starting pitcher,
really quick he had pitched. Actually, okay, he gives up

(07:36):
back to back home runs after five innings. Hey man,
you just gave up back to back home runs. You
pitch for five innings, it's eighty something pitches. We'll see you. No, no,
let's leave him in. Next guy he walks. Guess what
the next guy did another home run. The dude gave
up five home runs in one game. Only an incompetent
coaching staff would allow that to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Are we witnessing in real time Darren McKee turning his
back on two of his favorite Denver sports You are
well Shaker's been out for listen. He was a Warren
Shaffer guy, but he was a very Hey, Bud Black
getting fired is gonna cure all the time.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, I didn't say cure all. I said they
would get better, which they have, and Shaeffer's been a
plus more than Bud Black. However, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Call don't turn your back on him.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It's not turning my.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Back if I'm being loyalty is a dad gun verb.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
There's something I like it, not just this theory. You
gotta be loyal to your guy both no matter what
you're not.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
You know he's not loyal.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Watch his red zone. He's not even loyal to the game.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think you gotta be honest. And if I pride myself,
I'm not phony with my with what my opinion is.
This is not made up. And and by the way,
another thing. If I see another person say nobody cares
about a sports opinion? Up yours? They do good saying
go do something else? Why do I do this? If

(09:03):
I don't care, and so go you go do something else.
But if I'm saying something about the Rockies, don't hit
me with up who cares? Clearly I care, you moron,
And if you don't care, that's fine, you don't care.
But the I don't care or who cares? Thing? See you,
dee bac, do something else?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Go read a book, d back. How old are you
growing up in Massachusetts? When you go to the school
of how to be a masshole? When they tell you
when you get animated that you've got to say moron.
Because I learned that from Brian Kelly, a fellow mass.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
What happens is you grow up with your grandfather telling
you how bad the Red Sox are and how they're
gonna break your heart, and that goes from your grandfather.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Is dad gone? Mon?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
My father told me the Red Sox were gonna finish
in fifth place every year since I was a little kid.
Every year they're gonna break you hot, except for the Celtics.
That's different. Celtics generationally are great.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Brian Kelly used to drop always to quarterbacks like a
quarterback would throw an interception in practice and be like, what.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Are you doing? You ran?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's not even close to the accident.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know what was on last night? That's perfect the town.
I was gonna settle into the town, but as I
had to vote for the Buffalo Bills training camp town
Hard Knocks, Watch Hard Knocks.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I loved Hard Knocks. I had josh Alan ptsd envy.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I wondered about that.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Actually, all those Allen jerseys at the end of the episode,
and I'm like, man, some people like DM are gonna
lose their minds.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Actually, to be fair, it was actually pretty boring. It
was it was boring, but it was hard for me.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
He coach is boring. Yeah, everything was the guy's boring.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
The whole show is kind of boring.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
He's corporate, Okay, but it's not the problem with a
good team. Yeah, they don't have a lot of drama. Correct,
They can't can't prove anything. That's what sucks, because remember
the Brokers have been that team with many you can't
prove anything. Tell the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was more like I just was like, it was
a lot of what ifs last night for me watching
that about Josh Allen, Guess what a lot of what ifs?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Are you ready for next year? Why it's gonna be
the Broncos?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Why do you say that? Is that for ture reasons? Okay,
for two reasons.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Hey, Sean Payton is interesting. Now bow Nicks is.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Gonna do that?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
And I know you hate the YouTube channel, and I'm
not totally against you, but I'm also like, it's just
modern times, which is kind.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Of funny, Danny. I just don't like phony.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, let me ask you this real quick, real quick.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I don't think he staged any of the stuff he did.
I at least felt like he was doing what.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Bo does was catching the footballs, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
But at least but he was, I promise you, whether
it's just a basket, he's just being bo.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Russ was trying.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
To be Hey, I'm not Tom Brady. I'm about to
see use some water. So Bo wouldn't do any of
that boat. It almost felt like he was annoyed. His
own camera crew was there. Yeah, this sucks, but I
gotta do it.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
If you want to, Bibn join me.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
So naive, so sweet, sweet Andy.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Whatever, I'm just telling you, sweet naive.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
But here's the thing, so Bo if Bo continues to
be a popular topic of conversation with the personality that
is Shawn and don't forget.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Who do you think is going to want to show
off the new Empire States building they're building there? Dude,
I think I think I'd be the team next year.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, here's what Hart Knocks is. It's just a five
episode promo for your team. It's only going to be
positive things. It's only going to pump you up.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Because coaches the final say it used to, but it
doesn't anymore. It's just a it's just a five hour
promo for your team. You'd be insane to not do it.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, remember Sean in the Russell Wilson years. Sean said, Oh,
I'd love to do it. I'd love for you to
come see my process.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That's pretty funny. So oh, everybody thinks it's distracting or whatever,
the cameras, but at the end of the day, it
just makes you like the team more. It makes you
like the athletes more.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
All right, let's go back to it. I'll ask you, coach,
is it distracting with the cameras all of a sudden,
Like I think it was ten years ago when these
guys were used to having, you know, state secrets in
the vault sealed up. Man, they got you got cameras
and social media people. The teams hire these dudes surround
you all the time. I had an opportunity at the
University of Notre Dame to have showtime. I don't even

(13:14):
know if showtime is still a thing. Hell, yeah, it does.
Dexter Resurrection Okay, I didn't know. It didn't get absorbed into.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
The HBO Max Paramount plus Baby yet it's.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Been a big day for absorbing.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
It apparently owns everything they downed.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Wwe also like.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
What the hell is going on about the.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Training rights to all the Showtime DDA. It was basically
a Hard Knocks college edition. It was Brian Kelly. It
was when I was a brand new offensive coordinator at
Notre Dame. The young thirty whatever, thirty one year old
coming in thinking he's big, you know, big time guy
from southern California. Yeah, so they were. They were everywhere
they came. They came to my house. Now I'd cleared

(13:54):
it with them. I was working at one of my
eighteen hours with them.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Did you clear with him?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I did not clear with my wife, and they showed
up with boom microphones in our house and I had forgotten,
and so I hear the doorbell. I'm like, oh my god,
Amory the Showtime cruise here. Wait what Yeah, hey, you're
half naked with curlers on.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
We got a whole camera car.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
She was asleep without her hair did and her makeup did.
She didn't paint her face. But it was good because
it was actually real, authentic family. So you can go.
If you ever watched, it was yelling you can go
in the kitchen. It's episode three of a season with
Notre Dame Football.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh, it wasn't titled with You in the bad luck
of the Irish.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
No, because we actually were fantastic that year, gotcha? And
uh that was the year that Deshaun Kaiser was our
third string quarterback to start the year off and he
ended up having to be the starter and set every
record passing in that one season at the University of
Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Speaking of horrible Browns quarterbacks, are you buying the conspiracy
around Shedur Sanders?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Is it the one that they're gonna They're gonna throw
them out there with twos and threes and that's gonna
be the only opportunity they're not really has.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
The conspiracy theory, Andy, is they're not prepping him the
right way to set them up for failure. That's the
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Well, we talked about it yesterday and look you and
I saw it Foxy in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very much.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Tried to keep Tim Tebow from becoming this wave of
momentum where he Remember I told that I was on
the sideline of the very first Remember we were the
second Monday night game.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
They're playing the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm on the sideline by the bench as Orton threw
his second interception of the first half, the fans start.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Booing, and Joe May's chief among them. I remember hops
up on the bench and they start waving their arms like,
knock that off.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
It already just started this.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
The team did not want and then ort was just
so bad those first five games, I think, frankly because
it started with Detroit, and then I think they thought
they had something in Miami obviously, where they're like, you
want your guy, here's your guy.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And all of a sudden, I don't know, well what
you waives The one we win in Miami.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
It was fifty seven minutes of the worst football you've
ever seen in your life. They're down by fifteen with
like three eighteen left to go, and they won d MAC.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
You've probably never heard this story because you and I
oftentimes have not done radio where you could listen to
each other.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I was. I was the sideline guy at Miami game.
I'm standing remember Daniel Fells, of course, standing with Daniel
Fells on the Dolphins logo, and Daniel Phills look at
me and he goes, Andy, how the bleep did we
win that game? I go, I go, you don't have
any answers? He goes, I don't even know what just happened,
And I said, Dan, you better come up with some
because that's exactly what I'm about to ask.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Who was the Dolphins guy who said it was divine intervention?
He felt like the Lord my backers, right.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Listen, you want, I'll give you you want real and
raw andy. One point, Eric Decker walks by. These are
all guys that I kind of like. I use the
term friends loosely because you know you're not are hanging
out a house, but you know, my man, Eric Decker
walks find he goes, can you believe this? Bleeping?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Like I can't even repeat half of what he said.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And then at one point, because I used to follow
the place, so i'd go behind the bench because you're
not allowed to be behind the bench, are he basically
had to host up at the thirty fives. So he's
walking on my way to the other thirty five and
I see Orlando Franklin at one point they come off
the field, spike his helmet and go, you better throw
the damp ball fifteen.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I don't have all day, and I don't know where
you're gonna be. And i' mean just on this whole
like he's screaming at him. And remember Orlando was like
the biggest.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Offensive lineman I've ever had at the time, and.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm just like, oh my god, it's melting down down here.
And then all of a sudden, like I'm telling you,
du Marius Thomas caught one of those passes towing the
sideline like stab both ends of the football.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'd never seen it.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It wasn't a trying where the point goes in.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
He literally took his hands because it was glittering like a.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Duck and dapple thattches of it, and somehow called it
was the most amazing catch I'd ever seen.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
You know, it's crazy about Tiva. What was so fun?
And Decker told me that too. I go, what was
it like? Catching passes from t Bow? Goes like this
and the others like that? So t Bow not only
could he not really throw a spiral, but it was
coming the wrong way because he was a lefty, so
it would it would be a fluttering pass spinning in
the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So what Decker was essentially trying to tell you, it's
like going to watch Grateful Dead with Nate Krekman at
the sphere. Sure, catching pass from dude.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I'm telling you did you speaking of?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Which is is Kreiker actually watching his eleventh Grateful Dead concert?
And how many has he been to?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think he's back to He's like Spear's only been
spent to all of them. Did you ever talk, because
you and I know a bunch of the linemen from
that group. Did you remember the famous long run.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Against the Raiders? Did you ever were.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
You ever told where it was? In Oakland? Tim went
the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Everybody went to the to the to the left, and
the Raiders read the play, so they went to the left.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Tim would have to hit it to the.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Right, realized, oh, not the play, and then went running
like the water boy body Bouchet is.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Not because he just had his look on his face
and I could hear you know, the the whole way down.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Do we think this is.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Between the three of this?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know if Spring has any stats on decibel levels.
Has this been the loudest? Because you went on you
went extremely loud masshole for a minute there.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
When you asked, I know out there, you came in loud.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I did come in really loud. Yeah, there's probably a
lot of people turning the volume down in the car.
These guys taking poor poor Jason. I broke the edge
of my dap. But here's the thing. I pulled it
out and I'm like, oh, oh is it in there?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Did it break?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
The first I was like, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I don't know if it broke that way?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
The famous in there? Last words, it was the tip
of the thing. So my last thought before d mack
you vacate the premises here. I know you know you're
gonna stay around, hang out.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I don't have anything else to do. Give a wife right,
not till five thirty.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
She only is married to you after five thirty?

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Do you not?

Speaker 8 (20:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you begin popular? I could go there. We used
to have a key dooe, but that's going I feel
like everything's closing around us since we got here. What's
your point serious talking about your wife and relationships and loyalties. Yeah,
I feel like the last twenty four to forty eight
hours for you, it's almost a little bit like I'm

(20:39):
starting to learn about what your dating life was like
before you met your wife. Oh really, because I feel
like you fell head over heels for Bonex, Yeah, and
you've fallen out of love with Boneck felt far and
then you went and checked out maybe somebody else's Instagram
profile by way of hard Knocks and Josh Allen. No, no,

(21:00):
and all of Well, I'm saying, but you know, when
I settled for bon Nicks, that's what we really want.
But now he wanted. Now he's going back. Now he's
going back here, he's shot a shot with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Do you think that's what my dating life is? Do
you think I had choices?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, it's all relative, my lord demon, It's hold on you.
Some some man's four is another man's. He's not divorced
Bone Nicks. They're simply having an argument. And when Nicks
goes and plays some football, he'll forget. He won't care.
As long as the YouTube channel stays out of his life.
That'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I'm annoyed by the YouTube channel, and I will not
not be annoyed by selling T shirts for no reason.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Are they at least cool T shirt?

Speaker 5 (21:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Suck?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I think they're awful to getting one. They're only thirty bucks.
Oh great deal this day and age man, you get
you get a T shirt for fifty.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Dollars concert merchant.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Now it's like seventy five bucks for a dad T shirt.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Here's what I think is stupid. I think Bonnicks doing
anything aside from playing football right now, at this point
of his career, is stupid. You haven't done enough yet.
You can build your brand the whole thing when it matters.
But to me, it's a useless distraction. And the video
was stupid and phony. Sean Payton flapping his gums about
how great everything is is way too many lattes for me.

(22:14):
Who hasn't he talked about about what a genius he was,
about how he discovered bo Nicks. You're not Simon from
America's got talent. Calm down, dude, you're not trying to
start making well. I mean, it's it's just like I
want to be more current.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Buts toys in the attic.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Wasn't on toys and little Airsmith you you you found
you made the right decision, which I've said in front
of you two obnoxiously. You were there to witness it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I was right? And the problem is, why do we
have to hear Sean Payton talk about how incredible he
is in his process to every time Dick and Harry
associated to a national publication that walks through his door.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Why you think he's motivating his team through that way.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
No, I think he's squassing himself Andy, and I think
that's an egomaniac.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
But I don't disagree. But don't you think in his process.
Don't you think it's his way of motivating.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
To No, I literally think he's not that bright when
it comes to that. I think he likes to seansplain everything.
He's the right coach at the right time for the Broncos.
I don't regret that. But stop smelling yourself so much here, guys.
And this is coming from a guy who thinks they're
gonna win eleven games and win a playoff game. And
I haven't backed off on that. That doesn't change my opinion.

(23:38):
But I'm looking at these guys.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You just your little Your vibes towards bo and towards
Sean are just a little, you know, than they were
after July thirty twenty, the greatest football practice in the
history of Listen, though.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
My cap to him you you are not being hypocritical
at this hard in on russ so kill you the truth.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Hey, with you guys, does anyone just smell themselves and
be like man, I smell great now? Kreikman's got an
even grosser term for it. But what is all who
walks around smelling themselves? I actually do check. Yeah, I've been.
I've been known to do a couple of finger swaps
here and there, various.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
A sell check that's like how bad is it?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
You just want to know? You just want to know
how much a pig pen you are right now?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Kind of what.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Kind of flow is surrounding you?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Will the liesole cover it will be good enough. And
in general, I I, yeah, oh I know, I I
I I hit it every day.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
You're you're okay. The only time you got me was
when you were playing drums. There is there is an
egg aroma going on. You really got going on a
lot of you was he pretty good? It really wasn't
fair the songs and like, hey these are easy. It's
to save four chords. Meanwhile, I had no idea what
the drummer was doing. A DX like just say, it's

(25:01):
the fastest music ever. And now that I'm educated, I
realized what I asked him to do. We're going to
playing time. I was like, there the simple songs and
DX want an a marathon back there trying.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
To keep up with it.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
You're playing speed Bay. There's one time.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I mean it was a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
You're playing it from Blake. One time we played Damnit
and from Blake where he came out about mock four
and by the end we were a slow walk through
the park.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
The song that killed me was Drunken Lullabies. If you
want to do that, Oh yeah, wow, play drugging lovel wise?

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Is that by Dead Kennedy? No?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, sorry, oh yes, there you go, one of them
Irish Irish there it is all right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Jason got it fixed. Everything's done. We're gonna take a break, Tmac.
That's go hang in the other room and we'll.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Be back to talk a little more football with Sandford.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
You've got the Crekman and Lynn Dahl Podcast. Listen live
every weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
It is Altitude Sports Radio ninety two to five. Andy Lindahll,
Mike Sandford, Mark Springer hanging out with you this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Coach.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
We got Mark Johnson coming in to spend a couple
hours with us. Here, we're gonna talk to Nick Cosmider
coming up.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
To three forty five. Get his assessment at camps. You
you got the heavy hitters coming in today. Outside I'll
tell me, once you get past the having to survive,
listen to the coacher for a couple hours or at
one hour, I guess a couple hours on the day
you get to go here the the illustrious pipes of
Mark Johnson.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
I'm gonna tell you we're gonna talk about it when
he gets in here. Everyone's all hot and bothered about
the red zone possibly coming to college football and then
other sports. I'm going to tell you why. I don't
think it'll work as well for college football. But we'll
talk about that once Johnson gets in here. So but again,
I guess, do you want to weigh in on the topic, dujure,
I don't think you had a chance. Everybody's fighting over

(26:53):
where they like red zone or not. I got nothing
against anybody that likes red zone.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I get it. Yeah, I'm not gonna mat it. I'm
not a a not mad at a red zone view, No,
I'm not at all. And look, there's pitches ony days
where if there is, I get it. Like Dmax said,
there's times when you get caught was a couple. It's
more for me in the evening with a couple that
I should say the afternoon slate, get a couple of
bad games on the West Coast that whatever nobody's scoring, okay,
I'll go to red zone, or I don't you know,

(27:17):
there was one cool time where I think I got
the triple box and one went to overtime and the
other was coming down to the end. I'll give it
to you there.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
But more for the most part, I'm the guy that
I just like watching a football game.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's all. I love the sport. I wait all year
to watch it, and I want to watch the game.
The only way that I can consume football on a
college football Saturday or on a Sunday NFL type of
day is the red zone. No oh, watching, just watching
the games. I gotta watch a game. Yeah. And when
there are multiple good games on or multiple games that

(27:48):
I have interest in because of relationships, say with a
player that I coached, or with a coach that I've
coached with, or just a really fascinating game that I like,
I think I need to prepare for having the conversation
on the greatest sports talk radio show and Planet Earth
here right now, dude, sports Radio. I have the most
important game is on my large television screen, and then

(28:11):
I start accumulating iPads laptops and I just put them
on the little what's it like the footrest thing called
what are those? There's like a there's a term for them. Yeah,
the ottoman ottoman, my ottoman in my basement has like
there there are iPads and laptops that are like falling,

(28:33):
like half falling over because they're all stacked on top
of each other. So there's times where I've I've had
my wife's computer, my laptop, my work laptop, my my
daughter's iPad, my son's iPad, like there are six games
going on, and then my eyes can go and get
the totality of a game when it's interesting. So it's

(28:54):
kind of like I have I have the fullness of
every game, or the potential of the fullness of every game,
but with the mindset of red Zone. But I get
to choose where my eyes go, as opposed to allowing
somebody else to choose for me like red Zone does. Yeah, It's.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's funny because the takes really are all over the place,
and Dustin keeps asking do I like frozen frenzy. I've
never seen frozen frenzy at Dustin, so I'm assuming that's
something with hockey. I wouldn't mind. I guess checking that
out at some point. But you know what, look, at
some point, here's what I think sports does have to
be careful of. Three h three five O four oh
nine two five.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I did not really intend on going this route.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
We're gonna talk some Broncos, I promise, and again we'll
get an update from Nick Cosmiter. But with all the
announcements for me is pan today, I mean, at what
point are you the sports fan tapped?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Like?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
How many streaming services am I gonna have to buy
to watch sports?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's what I get a little worried about. Because I'll
tell you this. I loved red Zone or not red Zone.
I love the Sunday ticket and when I had it,
I probably had it six seven years because I'm a
I'm a ticket gay. Yeah, because I want to watch
the games.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
I want to watch the facts that I want to
watch and the defenses and whatever. And again, like everybody else,
I don't get into fantasy the way I once did.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
But I think if you have.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
If you have your guys playing, you know, like who
doesn't want to watch their fantasy quarterback in particular on
a given Sunday and so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
But look, dude, it's just I feel like I still
am in touch with the blue collar guy because I
this isn't your classic blue collar job, but we are
really still blue collar stuff. And I'll give you. I
will award you blue collar as somebody who lives in
the blue collar county of Weld. You, my friend, are
a blue call Yeah, no one. No one looks at

(30:37):
it and he goes, well, that's a white collar. So
you're you're like a you're a refined blue collar guy.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is, don't make it too
don't make it too expensive for guys like us, is
all I'm trying to say. Because you know where blue
collar comes from. That fan that wants to do you think,
do you think the CEO?

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Now I know there's a lawyer out there, I won't.
I know he dresses up, I'll put it that way.
He gets way into it. But he's a funny guy.
Is one of the most hardcore fans there is. But
I'm just saying, don't don't don't price out the face
paint and chess Payton.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
You know people that live and breathe this stuff, you
know what they're and a way they can all go
to their local watering hole man. All right, okay, but
late you've seen the So what your ten dollars beer
at the stadium is could be the ten dollars beer
at the water man if you had a real if
you're if you're in a real blue collar community, which
I'm fortunate enough right now to say that I live
near some very very blue collar workers, and I love

(31:30):
having so number thirty eight. You like going to the
number three, number thirty eight. I love the place, fantastic
place up. I like the Hawk Brow. Go check out
the hawk Brow. I know you've watched games there. It's
alassive and fantastic about any kind of food you want.
I like jerry D's, Man, Jerry d Jerry D's, all right,
jerry D's and Dacono. They got all the NFL games
going on, and you can get a cold beer for

(31:50):
under five bucks.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Stony's down Town's another great spot that's a massive bar.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I don't know if what do we have a we
used to enjoy going to the sports book. Are there
any Are there any blue collar bars? And Castle Pines, Colorado?

Speaker 4 (32:04):
You're gonna have to tell me. I don't get invited
there too often. I don't Tyler's not having me by,
you know.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
Surprisingly, though, there are some blue collared vibes even in
Highland's Like there's areas of Highland's right, there's some great
dive bars that are not nearly as hoity toity as
one would think you need.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
You need a good blue collar You need a good
dive bar for a lot of this, you know what
I mean? Like again, do we have me and the misses?
We're talking about this recently? Okay, eight twenty years of
being married, fourteen moves. We look back most fondly when

(32:42):
we had a true go to dive bar, go to
Blady that we lived in, and other places where you
just couldn't find that right spot, like he was either
like so divy that it was you felt like you
might be taking your life in your own hands. There
might be something that breaks out, you know, be a
biker gang type of situation, could be I've been down.

(33:06):
I bet I've lived in some parts of the country
where there could be some some various race riots that happened.
You're like, I don't know if it's the place for
me and the wife you to hang out here on
a Saturday night, but the right we're gonna try it anyway.
The place that fits you like a glove man. You
got that in your life right now? Andy, Because true, No,

(33:26):
the closest place would be my long standing relationship with
the hawk Brow if i'm that's just how it is,
and I very much. How far is that from where
you live? Though that's twenty minutes fifteen twenty five minutes.
Some reason I thought it was closer highways and he
plays a highways. I'm fine.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
It's when you try to send me to wash Park
that we got a damn issue because there's no fast
way there. Get us some of your favorite dive bars
three or three five, four h nine two five holes.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Shout him out again. But you got to remember, I'm
a little like you where I've worked most of these games,
So I don't I'll tell you this. You know what
I've never done that I'd like to do. I've tried
for years to get a sponsor, where all I'd like
to do is get a darn RV or something to
akin to that and go have a really cool tailgate
before a few of these games. When I was working

(34:10):
the Bronco games, because I don't have to do the
prep as the sideline guy compared to the other people,
I was like, look, man, you want to do these
pregame hours we do. Shove me out in the put
me out in the tailgating a lot. Let's do a
show from there, and let's cater the heck out of it.
You know, get me a little Brother's barbecue or GQ
or whatever it is you love in your life, and
let's get out there and let's serve the people. Give

(34:33):
me one of these, give me the Keiks Taco truck
out there, and let's do this, sucker.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
But I've never been able to do it.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I've only been only one time.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
I'm not kidding, Only one time have I actually been
to a tailgate.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And I was ten or eleven years old when it happened.
And it's the story I always tell about. It was
funny because the guy that they knew who was in
the camper next to me, and they're like, hey, just
go up in there and grab me a dog. So
I walk in there and Sam winder are starting running
back because it was the eighties, was challenged out with
these people inside their tailgate camper before he went into

(35:07):
the locker room and got dressed for the game. So,
but other than that, I've never been to a tailgate.
Have you ever had a chance to go to a tailgate?
I hadn't been to a tailgate outside of growing up
as a kid. My dad coaching when I was really young,
so you probably had a pretty Some of those are
probably pretty cool, right they were at USC. We'd be
right there at Exposition Park, right across from the coliseum,

(35:27):
and as more of a family gathering. I was young,
I mean I was six seven years old, and then
when I was about eight years old and I was
able to rise my way into talking myself as a
ball boy or I held I held the Remember when
headsets for coach like coaches, headsets used to have a cord. Yeah,
I was a chord holder on the sideline of the

(35:49):
USC games. Then I became the ballboy. So I never
I missed out on entire childhood of potential tailgate appearance.
I mean, especially in my years of adolescence and young
adulthood and then as a college football player, never once
tailgated right as a college coach. I mean, I didn't
even know what to do. My er getting there before

(36:09):
the sun comes. Oh yeah. My very first year of
being able to tailgate was following the debacle of twenty
twenty two at CU, I get fired, the whole staff
gets fired, Coach Primes at CU. I ended up having
a chance to tailgate at a CU game and I
was like, I like, I almost had a panic attack.
I'm like, I'm missing warm ups right now. But the

(36:30):
one that got me we made the hadje Ta Mecca
to go out to it Cream Bay, Wisconsin and going
we stayed about probably about a two hundred yard walk
from lambeau Field and all the tailgate lots. I was
so excited to go tailgate. And I envisioned that you
start tailgating at three thirty four in the morning, and

(36:51):
the parking lots open and you're rolling, and you walk
up and there's brats going, there's Mick Ultras being to
consume Miller Miller High Lives and the champagne of beer.
This is going. So I wake up genuinely at three
thirty in the morning so excited. I'm like, this is
gonna be awesome. I've been dreaming about this day for
my whole life. Walk all the way over, bundle up.
It's about eighteen degrees in Green Bay and I get

(37:13):
to the parking lot. There's not a soul in sight.
And I texted my wife. I'm like, hey, babe, nobody's
at the park. At the parking lot. She goes, Honey,
people till get like two and a half hours before
the game. Yeah, yeah, not calm down. Not eleven hours
before the game, you moron. It wasn't even open.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
It opened lots.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I think six AM's when they start here. They had
the Bronco party bus here, which was awesome for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
See again at the other spot. I used to be
more in touch. I know we've got we've got our
I don't have my.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Computer up because there and again I broke my headphone
thing off in there, so.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'd to not get totally set up. But I'm telling
you who I'm trying to remember. I can't remember his name,
one of our great twitterers. I need it.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I'm forgetting his his handle name, the doc. He goes
all the time and he invites us all the time.
So we got to go check him out. Uh, you
know what, I also promise here we go, we gotta,
we gotta get some of these dive bars in because
they said, we got a shout out.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Shout out to my neck of the woods. Parrots, Sports
Bar and Grill and Firestone Colorado.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Let's go, Okay, Maddie B coming through with the the
dirty duck.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
We got a blue collar dive bar down in Pueblo.
They're all of them. Basically, every bar in Pueblo is
a great dive bar, all of them.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
You say, giggling grizzly by course, Field's a fun one.
I'll agree with that. Let's see here.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Brewery Bar two oh, Brewery Bar is real good. How
do you say that?

Speaker 8 (38:42):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Calamath or Klamath Calamath Klamath.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
There's also there used to be one out in Aurora,
but I don't know if it still exists. There Room
Saloon in Denver, TJ. Sports Bar in Lakewood.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Trail Side and Thornton Trail trail Side. Saloon on one
on one oh fourth, one hundred and fourth. Tad says,
Ace High in Golden is one of them, don't Fancy's
Irish Pub and wheat Ridge Okay, I've heard of that one.
Let's see steak out and for Collins, Oh, Sunset Girl,
Ryan Goode, Bryan Olmichael Cross, guys go to Sunset Grill.
This year's a good one. Parker Hey Boulder, Yeah, all

(39:14):
you see you, Hanks, I love you. How good is
dark horse Man? Dark Hours is a good one. Shady
Pony Lakewood, Lakewood Lounge that's by Sloan's Lake, No that area, well,
the Pioneer near the University of Denver, Lulu's.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
And Watkins, the Columbine Lounge. I know that Scottie loves that.
Let's see Tailgate and Parker. You guys are sending so
many and roasties and Greeley just got a couple of
rileys in on Wich West Colfax.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
What was the one there was like the Alameda Lounge
is what I went to. They used to play music there.
But yeah, it's one of those very now you know,
it's one of those Samblin Rose and one of the
saddest moments of of having moved around the entire country
and staying connected to a lot of these dive bar
communities and their owners and sometimes they're you know, restaurants.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Die bar grill.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Speaking of that, I don't know why you triggered that
damn grill shut out to those guys, that damn grill.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Is kind of like tech scenery. So the thing that
that is, like one of the saddest things is when
my wife and I just have a good spot and it's
like we just go like sometimes you see get away
from the kids for an hour. Yeah, you know, he's
gotta get just gets greasy food in a cold beverage. Man.
So it's in watching watch the ball, watch a couple
of quarters of football or basketball or hockey or whatever.

(40:27):
Wife and I we've kind of always add that vibe
to us. The saddest thing, man, is when we go
back and we follow them on Facebook or Instagram and
we get like, seven years later, we get the dreaded.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
We gotta close, we gotta close piper in shutting or no,
I don't want to close down a bar that isn't happening.
One of the don't take that about the piper in
for oh, it's the hornet. The hornet's shutting down. After
twenty nine years, I'd eat at the hornet a bunch.
They're saying, we gotta go Okay, Lucky Joe's, Fort Collins,
The White Horse and Garden City Benders in Westminster Stadium

(40:58):
in Denver, el Chipultitech before it closed.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
We gotta get going.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
By the way, my favorite dive bar name, It'll Do,
used to be Off I seventy.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I was like, Eh, it'll do.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Nick Cosmier.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
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Speaker 4 (41:24):
It is Krekman and Lindahl. We're gonna have Mark Johnson
in with us starting at four o'clock. His coach vacates.
We got Nick Cosmeier on now, we're about to talk
to him. By the way, all our training camp coverage
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(41:44):
medical doctor and attorney and visit Ramoslaw dot com and
that's where we find our guy, Nick Cosmier of the Athletic.
You gotta read him in the Athletic. They've been ranking
stuff Nick's been retweeting things. He's got fantasy coverage, He's
got college freak athletes from Ain't Brugler in the like, Nick,
how are you are you on your way to San
Frian and where are we at?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
I have to We have two talented colleagues in Victa
four and Matt Barrows, who are going to be on
the ground out there, so they'll they'll have us covered
from from both the forty nine ers and Broncos in
So I'm gonna stay out here. I've got a half
marathon race on Saturday morning and gonna do that and
then we'll get back at it when they get back
here next week.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Nick, what do you make of some of the national
narrative leaks, if you will, or just comments that have
been made by Sean Payton that are talking a frankly massive,
massive expectations are now going to be placed on the
Denver Broncos. Does it match up with what you've seen?
And you and I have both been out there so much,
I just want to hear your opinion. Does it match

(42:47):
up with what you've seen potentially with this offensive unit
about being one of the best units in pro football?

Speaker 8 (42:55):
Well, they you know, it doesn't have to be leaks,
because he seems to be telling it to anybody who's
willing to have an open ear and listen about what
he thinks of this unit. And and and like I do,
I'm almost like, I'm not surprised that he has like
high expectations, but the degree to which he's he's voiced
what he thinks this team can be. And and then
you know, the offense in particular, you know, it really

(43:18):
just does speak to I think what he sees in
bo Nicks, what he believes he has as the quarterback
goes into his his second year, and and a lot
of that is probably like you know, when you I
think you've asked him this the other day, ask somebody
like the things that we don't get to see, the
time spend in the meeting rooms and how everything gets explained.
You know, maybe back to Sean when Bo saying what

(43:38):
he sees, I think that's probably where the confidence comes
in as much as what they're actually seeing out on
the practice field. So I mean, again I kind of
defer to that trust. There's been enough that I've seen
to make me think like, hey, you can look there
and say yeah, there's there's definitely going to be a jump,
and I think the run game would be one of
those things. Especially the last few days. I think r J.
Harvey's uh, you know, the comfort that he's starting to

(44:02):
have with you know, with with where he needs to be,
what is you know, what his landmarks are when he's
taken handoffs and then just hitting the hole like it's
been impressive. You haven't seen a guy that you feel
like is really thinking his way through things. He's hitting
the hole, he's going And again, I just think that
if he and if he in a healthy Dobbins are
your top two backs and they can kind of be
available most this year. I just don't think there's any

(44:24):
doubt that that is. That's an upgrade from kind of
whatever they had at the top of the pecking order
last year, which of course changed from from week to week.
That's where I would have the confidence. And then yeah,
with with Nicks, I just think the familiarity that comes with,
you know, finally being in the same scheme, like he said,
for the first time since he was in high school.
All all those things are going to going to make

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a difference now being an elite top of the league unit,
like you've got to go out and you've got to
prove that. We've got to see it. We've got to
see some of these receivers take the kind of jump
in the regular season that we're seeing from some of
them in practice.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
A quick follow up for you, Kauz your eyes. Has
this been a good training camp? Not speculative not? Has
this been a good training camp from Bonis?

Speaker 8 (45:08):
I I think so, I do. I mean I think
that like it's not been perfect. And but again I
thought going into this that like having having that defense
that you face every time, Like I never thought that
he was going to look like excellent every day. I
just I just think there's too much of what they're
throwing at him. I think he's been better this year

(45:29):
in camp than he was last year. Like there were
times last year where again it was just him thinking
like him, you know, it would take time or or
he would you know, he'd get one installed down, but
then as soon as they were going to the next one,
there'd be kind of like a step backwards. I haven't
necessarily seen that from him. You know that the decision
making sometimes hasn't always been what you want it to be.

(45:51):
But but I think he's been I think he's been
better this year than he than he was last year.
And you know, again facing a defense, it's probably even
better than it was last year too.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
All Right, I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Things have been better than what we saw at camp,
but it's still been choppy, we'll say for the offense. Nick,
when what look, at what point should we get a
little bit concerned as you said that maybe Sean's doing
a little too much chat and maybe we ought to,
you know, one latte back and let's see how this
thing plays out.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Well.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
I mean, I would think if you go, if you
go there even starting tomorrow on Thursday, and they're at
outside Levi Stadium and you're playing against the forty nine
ers defense a while, it has some talent has been
banged up. I mean that the forty nine ers. I
was just talking to, you know, one of their radio
hosts out there who said, like last year they had
to cancel a practice, a joint practice with the New
Orleans Saints because they didn't have enough that they were

(46:43):
just too injured. They didn't they didn't have enough bodies
to get through two days of practice. He said that
they're they're kind of in that same neighborhood. This year,
they're going through with the practice because it's it's only
one day this time, it's not as much of a
of a workload. But but nonetheless, like this should they
should have a good showing tomorrow, Like they should be
able to come out and do the kind of things
that they want to do, you know, move the ball offensively, defensively,

(47:06):
really be able to kind of like, you know, lock
up what is right now again a banged up cast
of weapons for the forty nine ers, Like if you don't,
if you don't come out and have a good showing
against that backdrop, then you kind of say, hey, you know,
let's pump the brakes a little bit on some of this.
But I don't know, I mean yeah, like again, I
think it's been choppy, but that I mean, you see,

(47:27):
if that wasn't the case against against the defense is good,
then we'd be completely worried about the other side of it. Like,
I really do think that gets lost in the saw
sometimes of like what it is that you're facing in
a given day, Like it's not going to be constant fireworks,
And I think the way that you've seen guys like
Troy Franklin. You know, developed through this has been encouraging.
So yeah, again I I'm with you that I think

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we need it. We still need to see plenty more
and tomorrow and then of course on Saturdays. It's going
to be a good start to finally have some some
evidence to go on.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Cause what do you think the list of players that
will not be asked to participate in this preseason game against.

Speaker 8 (48:05):
The preseason game or the practice the preseason game. Yeah,
I think like when you look at I think it
probably starts with Drake Greenlaw. Again, we didn't see him
in any kind of team activities or team periods this week.
You know, Sean Payton had said at the end of
last week that there's, you know, a chance that he
could get back to work this week. But but again,

(48:25):
I just think that there's going to be kind of
the utmost caution with the guy that's already dealt with
the one quad injury that he recovered from. And now,
you know, again they say it's they say it's in
a different spot, but it's it's still the quad. You
know that there's just no reason whatsoever in my mind
to rush a guy back who's you know, you know,
what you're gonna get from him when when he's on
the field, So that that kind of probably be where

(48:46):
I'd started of like, yeah, we might we might not
see it. You know. Joe Lombardi mentioned yesterday that Devon
Veley has been dealing with a few things. We saw
him have a practice out. I'll be curious to see
whether he goes. Of course, he practiced this past week,
so so perhaps he's good to go. Uh. And and
then Alex Singleton, like, you know, they think he's gonna
be back this week with you know, with that club

(49:07):
over over his thumb, but we'll have to kind of
see whether he whether he goes. And then yeah, just
just some of the veterans who are coming back from
injury that they've kind of slow played. Mike mcglinchy along,
will they you know, will they kind of wait until
next week to have him see preseason action?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
You know?

Speaker 8 (49:23):
What's the plan with JK. Dobbins, another guy that you
know they have him on one of those you know,
Sean Payton's called it kind of a load management type plan.
Those are the guys to watch in terms of if
you're gonna if you're gonna sit a couple veterans. Those
are probably the ones all.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Right before we let you go, Man, we appreciate it.
Read Nick in The Athletic. We got the podcast going right.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
At some point? Okay, well I keep.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Catch you with the wrong question. Sorry, Nick.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
You know what this is what Nate does to Leggy,
and Leggy's like, God, I feel like you're asking me
where you my editor?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Get off me? Correct man. So that's kind of how
that's kind of how Cosmider feels about me today. Give
me the one guy in camp, how about we do this,
you mean, the guy that's caught your eye that you
like and the guy that maybe you're like, all right,
need to get something going in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 8 (50:06):
Yeah, Riley Moss has been on a guy that, especially
the last week or so, you're just like, man, you
love the smoothness, like the just total lack of panic
that he has. You know, I thought, especially those those
last like two or three practices where you know, he's
just covering Marvin Mims, you know, on deep stuff. He's
right there with Courtland Sutton. I just think that the

(50:29):
confidence that he's playing with has been really really good
to see for a guy that is going to be
so important to what you do because we know how
much he's going to be involved in getting getting attacked
by opposing quarterbacks who are trying to avoid pastor can,
so that that's been really good, you know. On the
other side, Mims is always just a curious one to
me because we know that he's he's a guy that
they're going to use in a lot of different ways.

(50:50):
So with camp, some of it is you wonder, like
how much are they not really just opening up the
door to what he does because you know they want
to keep it under wraps or whatever the case might be.
But he's not necessarily had like the splash his camp,
and so I'm curious that they get into the preseason
here a little bit like can they get him going
in a way that shows your hey, he's not just
gonna be this like, you know, occasional big play guy.

(51:11):
He's going to be a little bit more, you know,
consistent with our with our game plans.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
All right, we'll have a longer conversation about that next week.
Is Frankly, Nick, I'm with you. He's the guy that
I think could do so much more, and I can't
figure out why it's not happening. I don't know if
it's a Sean and his route development. I don't know
what it is, but it's it's a weird situation because
I think that's a hell of a football player there,
and but.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
We've seen this with consistency over this is the third
season going on it I know.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Is it because he doesn't run the right routes? Look
like it does Sean fall into the You know, that's
a bigger discussion and we'll have it.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's almost like the scripts are being used from like
ten years ago and there's no customization I know for
the player and his development.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Well that's the yards after the catch guy in my mind,
and I like to se him.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Used that week. Nick, Thanks man, you have a great weekend.
We'll catch up with you next week.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
All right, that's our guy, Nick Cosmi to read him
at the Athletics. Subscribe and it's not another buck King
podcast when it's up and go and listen to that
as well.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Is he in for Is it implying that he uses
bad words or no? It is a double contract. They
buck bucking Bronco. Do you're not? You're not?

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Were you not?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You're a rodeo guy from some part of the country,
not another, not another podcast. That sounds like it could
be implied that what were you just earlier? The nick
Cosmider might be might be using the the F word. No, okay,
I just want to make sure he's playing. It's a
play on words, That's what I'm saying. Have you never
had a play call that was a play on words? Oh?

(52:36):
I have plenty of them. What's your favorite? Mm hmm,
it's going to be your favorite if you don't know
right there? It wasn't like z why Banana Spiders? Okay.
The craziest thing is the signals that I've had for well,
what about the Spring? Who was it that did the
smoke and J Clor remember that where they went up

(52:57):
and they did a little smoke and J Cutler against him?
Do you remember the QB that was, Well, that's always
been that's always been part of smoke was always quick
game protection, So it's always been a cigarette, like for
twenty five years before they were playing color.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yeah, smoking, Jake Keller just kind of come out, so
I thought, I think they were doing it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Control job. We gotta let you go. We got Mark
Johnson coming in. We're gonna cover a little college football,
and I'm gonna tell you why I'm not so sure
college red zone will hit the same