8/6/25 Hour 2 - Mark Johnson is with Andy the rest of the way, players turned coaches, possible CFB RedZone

00:00 Mark Johnson is with Andy the rest of the way.

16:35 Players turned coaches.

31:40 Possible CFB RedZone.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Four o'clock hour. Underway here on Krekman and Lindall as
we hang out here in the back is in Shakers Studios.
Their passion is justice. We appreciate those folks. Mark Springer along.
We're now joined by the voice of Dad Mark Johnson.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hey, the first time I've been to the new studios. Man,
I'm digging this. This is nice.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Do you like everybody being able to watch it? This
is open a studios.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We've ever had a little bit of a fish bowl.
They can should put the chairs out there and sell
tickets or something.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Were you freaked out? You and I went to a
little bit of a high school reunion show. We say
last week we did, I guess Scott talked about it.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
We both went over to care everyone's old. Everybody is
old except for you and me.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
The plans and the and the schemes you and I
used to concoct that that area is all gone. Yeah, yeah,
we were pretty Uh, it was wiped out.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
They let they led us into When I got there,
there was two or three of us that came in together.
They led us into the area where the social was
and uh yeah, I looked around it at Reed Fisher,
who has been my producer forever. I said, where are
we right now? I don't even recognize any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of white going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was a lot, yes, yeah, a lot of how
about little color someplace, little wallpaper, something to kind of,
you know, mix it up a little bit. But it
was cool seeing everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Can you not burn my retinas when I leave? It
was cool to see everybody, But I didn't know who
was who by the time we walked out of there,
because I was seeing spots, you kne who.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I wanted to see and didn't see. And I think
being a radio audience Steve Kelly, which which one. Steve's
always been a good friend and he and I have
talked for a while, and I was wishing he would
have been there.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah you know what now you think about it that yeah, yeah,
that's too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, there was a time boy here in Denver where
Steve O's name was as big as anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
There's no doubt about it. So hopefully he's doing well.
If you're out there, ste that's right, all right? College football?
First off, to start with the obvious, I guess we
got to take the easy path first. Don't need to
drive up the hill any fast er than we can.
How are the Buffs looking. I know you've watched a
few of the practices. I know there's only so much
that you're able to divulge from those things. But you
got a gut feel for this team. Editor, are you're

(02:09):
gonna need to see some games?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well? You know what's funny about it, Well, first off,
the evaluation process. This weekend they're going to scrimmage. I'll
see a little bit of that, but see you go
them out, it's like you going out to the broncosh, right.
You think they're doing drills in large part and find
there's some you know, eleven on eleven on occasion. But
you know, it's tough to evaluate because at some point
you're thinking, well, I think the defense is good or
is the offense not good, or you know whatever, vice versa.

(02:32):
So you get out there and watch and you know
by the time the practice is over, I always walk
over to Gary and go, Okay, tell me what I
think I saw today, Right, and so we go through
that whole evaluation. It's different because you don't have the
monster personalities out there. You know, the offensive coordinator, Pat Schrumureau.
Every time he referenced Shador anytime we were talking about Sure,
he always call always called him that heroic son of

(02:52):
a gun. Right. You don't have that guy out there
that's dominant under center. You don't have the greatest athlete
and that I've seen the last you know, generation and
in Travis Hunter being out there. And so you take
that out of the equation and you wonder, Okay, what
does that mean when in doubt number two found number
twelve the last two years?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And so now you've got a transfer quarterback and Caden
assaulted from Liberty, and you've got the number two high
school quarterback in America in Juju Lewis. And so those
guys there are times you think, boy, he really looks good.
That guy really looks good. But what does that mean?
Are they going to be able to carry a team
like like should do or disc I don't know that
that's going to be possible in particular for a freshmen,
but I will tell you this, and this is something

(03:31):
both you know, Gary who's got much better sense of
this than I do, have evaluated they're much better upfront,
So I think I think that offensive line is much better.
Pat continues to say, we're going to run the football.
I talked with Marshall Falker a couple of days. He
was echoing the same thing. He loves his group of
running backs, and so that ended of itself is going

(03:52):
to be a positive right there. Listen, the one thing
we know about Prime is he is going to find
wide receivers. He's going to find defensive backs, right. I mean,
those two groups just look like they're supposed to look.
Everyone's long and angular and athletic and fast, and so
you've got a group on both sides of the ball
you love there. I think they've had a major upgrader linebacker.
They've totally redone that room and the defensive front. Just

(04:13):
yesterday did some stuff with the Domotop Echo and Warren
Sapp and those guys, and and and they're they're raving
about that group because you'd a madeover group there as well,
with a few guys like Arden Walker and some of
those guys coming back. So overall, I think the defense
could be very good. The offense. I'm still wondering about
because it's it's gonna be so new look, but I'm

(04:36):
kind of excited. And then the schedule sets up anty
very nicely. Most of the games that are supposed to
be tough games based on a year ago are at
Fulsome Fields. Seven home games, five on the road. Yeah,
you do have to go to Kansas State, but you
got Arizona State and BYU at home and some of
the you know, Arizona States coming here, and so you've
got some of those games on the schedule at Fulsome Field.

(04:57):
So it sets up all the nice I'm kind of excited.
I'm inntioned to see one it's gonna look like when
you take away those two guys in the last two
years we've just identified as being the face of everything.
They're not there now. So is this going to be
a deeper, more balanced team. I think that's what's gonna happen,
But we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah. You know, it's interesting because you brought up some
of the players there that are now coaches, and of
course Hall of Fame type resumes when you talk about
a guy like Marshall Fulk and you talk about a
guy like Warren sap Domata. Peko's a guy I got
to know covering the Broncos a long time. I mean,
a gentleman.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Ohas a locker room I said yesterday, what is the deal?
How can you be this gregarious and nice and then
you walk on the field and you're dirty? Made a nicety?
What's the deal there? Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
My gosh, when you're that big, Oh, nobody's gonna bother you.
All right, you know what, Let's let's pause the college
football conversation for a minute, spait, I need some breaking news.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Uh oh, this is.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
The Rockies just lost twenty to one to Toronto. Good lord,
we don't have it on the TV. So I was
not I knew they were down a bit when I left,
but I think a down a bit was like four
to one, twenty to one to one?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Dude, why are we? Why are you even shocked by that? Though?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't know, and yet still I am.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
At this point some of the scores, some of the
stretches seeing this season, are you really surprised?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Someone had texted in and said, can we just end
the Rocky season already? And so I was like, yeah,
I'm sure it's going bad. I was thinking ten to one,
twelve to one, did it?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You weren't there yet, but I will tell you I
met you much later. But of course, mister Tim Smile,
who's another one I didn't see that the other night,
would have very low to him. Mister Tim Smile was
the guy that was taking me when I was an intern,
and so I interned in both the spring and the
fall when I was getting going in this thing in
ninety nine. I've told people my very first day over
there was Scott.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
You were Scotty's erond boy at that time.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, well, David Scott were still in Miami after the
Super Bowl win against the Falcons, and so I started
the monday after. This was very cool. We did John
l w I call him from the Tonight Show Green
Room to take an interview with these just all this
kind of stuff, right, Jim Leland we thought was gonna
be good. Jim Leland wasn't good. And so Tim took
me to you know, basically cover Rockies games as an intern, right,

(07:18):
And so there was one day I go there and
they get blasted like that, like the twenty I think
it was twenty two to five, and only they may
have been one or two, but it was bad.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
What was your bad? Nine? Okay eight? Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, so yes, it was the ninety nine Super Bowl,
ninety eighth season. So I go there and in the fall,
when I was doing my fall internship, they send me
this game. It was against Diamondbacks they get crushed, or
maybe this one was against the now it was. I
know it was against the Diamondbacks because there was a
little tet of tet that when.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It wasn't just the fact that there's different options to
this lopside of score you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'd also covered a twenty five to like two games
against the Reds or something. It's just ridiculous. I don't
remember what year that was. But I'm an intern and
you now it goes Rockies fall. We need some sound
and this has bet and we were down at fifteen
or fourteenth in Lawrence. We were downtown, YEP. So we
sent everyone. They sent interns to every Rockies game, and
I'd been trained in the spring, so the fall, I

(08:19):
get stuck going to this game. You know, They're like,
you're gonna go to the game today, which in the
business wee's cool.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
It does. But in the business we call this the
tape monkey. You just go and collect tape. That's all
you do is if we go there and you're gonna
do hold your microphone.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Put the mic in there. You would always tell the interns.
Maybe you don't ask a question.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Don't say a word, don't listen, collect the tape. If
you ask a question, I'm gonna hear about it, and
I have to call the franchise and apologize.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Tim had told me during my training, he goes, listen
and you get to these games because I go, Tim,
I'm not the best at baseball. I did not grow
up in a baseball town. People know my passion for football,
and there's a reason why I started playing lacrosse in
high school. It's just, you know, baseball just went really
my thing. And again, when there's every game, it's hard
enough when you're already nervous to come up with questions

(09:05):
on an everyday sport. So I was happy not asking.
And so Tim goes, look, if there's not a lot
of people there, just follow the writers around and try
to get in.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Because and again at that time, following Ringles being my
cliss there was I think Rank was still covering it.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
There was some other guy, but anyway. Look, what Tim
didn't tell me was the writers don't really want you
getting in on their interviews. Okay, So I go to
this game, all disaster breaks loose. Nobody's letting me follow
him around. There's no TV crew because we've all switched.
They're all out at Broncos practice, and this is a
day game.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Did you ask a question?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh? Did I? So I was like, well, I gotta
get some tape. I can't go back without any tape.
What I'm I gonna tell him? I gotta get some
kind of tape, right, So I go up to Kurt
Abbott was his name. He was a second basement. Okay,
Abbot was the only guy that did anything at the
plate that day. So I was like, oh, maybe I'll
go ask him at least talk about his hits. I
don't know he's got so for just to paint a picture.

(10:01):
People have all seen the shots of the cours Field clubhouse.
He's basically sitting on what's what's the equivalent of a bench,
like a padded bench, and his head is down practically
between his hands and dumb little internaity probably should have
read the body language right there, but didn't. Sure as hell,
wasn't gonna go up to Todd Hilton or go up
to be Shut or any of these other guys. So

(10:21):
I go up. You know, I mean, mister abbot, can
I ask you about that gab a little bit today?
And I mean, like as squeaky voice as possible.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And by the way, when little Andy's walking up there,
however old you were, there was a little peepee coming
out twenty two. Yes, I got to talk to this
guy a little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Is awful.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Little all up.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
He doesn't even look at me. Okay, he raises his
shoulder a bit. I'm seeing the top of his head.
He goes, why why? I mean, he threw so many
f bombs at me for asking to just talk about it.
He yelled at me. And I tell people the story.
I warned the interns all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I go.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
There's no badge that says, hey, I'm learning be nice today.
He this guy dog cussed me. I turned around like
George Costanza and walked out of that clubhouse like Costanza
would walk out of Steinbrenner's office. And he did not
quit failing curse words at me until I had gone
through the double doors. Now, the only way this worked

(11:16):
out in my favor. I was like, what am I
gonna because I'm freaking out. I'm like, I'm gonna fail
his internship. I haven't got any tape.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I walked down Are you rolling on that? By
the way, do you know you didn't have an audio
of getting dog? All I did said, Hey, listen, that.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Was like a fight where I shove You think I'm
gonna shove back? No, he just hatemakered me without a
second shove.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right. We didn't do the dance.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
So the only thing that was good was I ended
up going down to the Diamondbacks clubhouse. I'm like, I
just got to get something from them somehow. So I
go down to the Diamondbacks clubhouse and I come up
on Buck Showalter, who apparently apparently the Montforts are walking
off and Darren Holmes had closed out this game, and
he yelled something angrily at the Montforts because he had
been let go, and then an exchange had begun, and

(12:00):
so Buck Showalter at least talked about that and saved
my oh, because that was the only thing they brought back,
because you know, of course class listen. So at least
I got some good angry tape.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Every one of us.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Was it for that?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
It would have been screwed. Every one of us has
gone through that. I had to Here's a great one
early in my career. I'm living in Minnesota, in man
Kid of Minnesota, and I went up to cover it
was it was kind of training camp for the Timberwolves
and they had traded for Chuck Person. Remember Chuck Person.
The rifleman wanted to talk about. And Chuck was an.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Angry, angry human, the old RBF going on, Oh.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Jeez, was he angry? And I'm about the same age
you're talking about it. I'm twenty two, twenty three years old.
And he had been traded and he came from a
winning I forget where he came from, winning franchise, came
to the Timberwolves and then back in the Indiana right,
I think that might be right. And they were horrible
at the time, and so I thought, well, this will
be a logical question. And I say, Chuck, you come
from a winning organization and you're coming to a franchise

(13:00):
now that it has not had winning in its brief
history here in the NBA. What kind of transition? I
thought it was a legitimate question. It is, and he unleashed.
I don't know that he said anything but words that
started with fre There might have been an A and H,
and there were a couple of times. But this dude
unleashes on me and he's screaming at me, and I'm

(13:20):
standing here getting the whole thing on tape. By the way,
that's a different reason you was. I had the microphone
up and he dog cussed me for I don't know,
thirty forty seconds, and I said, well, I'm still wondering
about how the transition would take place. Then he deaf Mimmy,
aregain to walk away?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
You did not care?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm like, yeah, I'm out of here. Dude. He was
echoing because again there were no media in this thing.
His words were echoing off the clubs and it just everybody,
of course, lazily looks over at you. Nobody cares.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, nobody cares that they're laughing at it.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh, I'm sure there had to be left in the room.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I actually see that kid.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I screamed out of the room.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Where I knew that I'd been initiated into this. This
business is when Bobby Knight did that to me one time. Yeah,
but didn't you get.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
To talk to him years later.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh yeah, you tell them the story about how yeah
you laugh. You about that time, Well, it was We're
in Chicago for a big ten media days and about
that same time period, I was right before I got
into a right after Minnesota went to India in him
and so anyway out there and I'm sitting up front,
you know, and I'm not the smartest due in the world.
You know that I'll just ask the question. I don't care.
And I'm sitting right up front, and Bobby Night walks in.

(14:24):
I think they give him like fifteen minutes for each
big ten coach at the media date to talk. Well,
he came in. He didn't know how he manipulated everybody.
And he comes in. For the first ten minutes, he's
talking about a rule change to the uniforms. And I'm
sitting up there thinking what's going on here? And you know,
and upfront there you got guys from the Chicago Sun
Times and Tribune and you know, uh everyone everyone from

(14:45):
from Chicago WGM. And finally he stops. He goes all right,
any questions out there, And I'm looking around and people
are like they're realizing, Okay, the veterans are thinking, Bobby's
in a mood. It's best not to poke the bear, right.
So I'm sitting there, I like I raised my hand.
So I raised my hand and the mediator points to
me and I should have known. Man, the look out

(15:06):
his face is priceless. And so the media polar of
some pole had come out in the Indiana was picked
third or something, and and so I just said, coach,
I know it's before the season, but do you look
at a year and kind of evaluate who you think
are gonna be the top teams?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
And they do.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
He says to me, you're that snot knows kid from Latfia.
N aren't you. I was up in Lotfia Predue country.
You got to show up there. You're a smart guy.
I've heard you before. You think you've got all the
blankety blank answers. Why don't you tell us? And I said, well, coach,
I don't think anyone wants to hear me. And he
just went off again and and f bombing and screamed
at me and then walked away. That was his fifteen minutes.

(15:42):
And one of the reporters from the I think the
Tribune or something looks over and he says, young man,
welcome to the business. You've now been an agate of
my Bobby Night. You're official. Thank you. Yeah, it's good
not to have too much, shall we say, shame of
those situations like yeah, whatever, Well, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's Jeller and it's gonna happen. We gotta come back.
I want to get I want to I want to
talk to you about this all star coaching staff and
what they're doing, because I know you've had a chance
to talk to a lot of them recently one on one.
But then I also want to I do want to
get into the topic. With ESPN taking over. You have
a question how red Zone will go, and again I'm
gonna tell you why. I just am not sure this
is gonna work as well as it did at the

(16:19):
college level. And specific reason. We'll get into that ahead.
On Altitude Sports Radio, You've.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
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It is Kreikman and Lindahl or please to have you
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next week. By the way, we're gonna have Marcus Washington
in for a part of the show ning up tomorrow.
What do you remember about Marcus?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Uh? A pretty dan good player, really good guy. Yeah.
I run into Marcus every once in a while, by
the way, really good dude.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
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get back to it, because people are not texting, and
I did not realize that they're outscored in the series
forty five to six.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
How about that? You know I run differential three hundred
and sixteen this season, By the way, that's what that's going.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, it's all going well.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Ex sourceus was one hundred and forties or something like that.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I kind of wondered, do you guys. I wonder how
many guys are like man. I was kind of hoping
to get traded and now I know I'm not. So
it's setting in at least if you're a veteran player,
but maybe not who knows.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
All Right, you know this being around I don't care
what franchise if you know, baseball is awful, tough. You know, Jack,
the great legendary Drack buck winz that there's nothing better
than broadcasting good baseball and nothing worse than broadcasting bad baseball, right,
because it's every single day now, as you well know,
during my twenty one years doing the Boffs, I've had
some rough football seasons. You've had the rough Yeah, it's
been kind of rough. So you go through those years

(18:04):
and it's brutal, but that's once a week and baseball
that happens every single day. When you're around a team
like this, everything sucks, right, Yeah, I don't know what
you do. You suck, The management sucks, the guy that
serves the popcorn sucks, the broadcaster suck. Everything's awful and
it's just painful to be around.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You. Imagine being a beat guy and having to go
and report on that every single day. No, I don't
know what you talk to these guys about anymore. We
just kind of did the locker room story and at
least you and I can laugh about it. We both
got to get out of there. I don't know how
you're going right about this team every day. Legit don't
not easy. But you know what, here's the thing that
it's nearly September and it'll all be done, so all right,
h It is interesting because you and I both have

(18:42):
had situations in our career where we've seen guys that
have been really great players not necessarily translate to really
good coaches.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
But I do.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I do feel like Warren Sapp did some good things
for those defensive linemens last year. I'm curious, how do
you think Marshall Falkel do and are you good vibes
off of the All Star coaches if you will?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, you know, it was interesting. So was it yesterday?
The day before, I guess is when I talked with Marshall,
and that's the first time he and I had any
lengthy conversations. So we chat a little bit, mother're sitting
the cameras up, and then we did the piece that
ended up being sent out online. And one of the
things I said to him, I said, you know, I
once heard Barry Bond say that it was tough to
coach because he couldn't understand why the player didn't see

(19:23):
what he saw right, when you're a Hall of Fame
level player, you're so stupidly talented and you understand the
game and it's innate to who you are, right, and
so things come natural for that level of player that
the average person doesn't see. And then when you're going
to drop down to the college level, and now you're
dealing with eighteen, nineteen twenty year old guys that you're

(19:45):
trying to coach and trying to get them to understand
that things that were so basic for you you need
to teach them. And so I basically pose that question
I did with Warren yesterday as well. But what Marshall
I thought, who, by the way, is wonderfully, wonderfully articulate
in terms of what he says and how he says it.
He can tell he worked in the media for a
long time and so he understands how to communicate, and

(20:07):
so I thought he gave a great answer. He said
he had somebody early in his career that told him,
in regards to coaching, you don't coach them how you are,
you coach them to how they are. And he said
that's been a huge difference maker for him in terms
of when he sits down with a running back and
then think, you know, obviously you're going to think yourself, well,
why wouldn't you know I do this with with other broadcas,
you know, like, why wouldn't you do it this way?

(20:28):
That doesn't make sense what you just did. So he said,
I don't think that way. I look at them and say,
here's where we need to get them, here's where they are,
and that's how we need to coach them to help
them improve. And so I thought he was really insightful,
really interesting to talk to. And so you know, you
wonder about those guys, the gold Jacket guys, because they
did it at the highest levels, they made enormous amounts

(20:50):
of money. They don't have to be doing this. So
between you know, Primes a different deal being that that
he's the head coach, but with Marshall Falk and then
Warren Sap Hall of fame guys who have decided to
do this. I think you probably saw it yesterday during
the podium portion of what Warren did yesterday, he had
said there was a time I didn't want to coach
at all, and now I'm just taken by it. He's

(21:12):
not I'm addicted to it. I want to be out there.
And he's got this great energy about him, and Marshall's
kind of been talking about the same thing, and so
they've all got kind of a bigger perspective on this thing.
And so you wonder when a guy like that comes in,
will they really love it like coaches do, because you know,
you've been around this game for a long time. Those
guys are insanely obsessed with what they do. And you wonder,

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if you've made the money and you've had the success
and you've had the fame, do you really want to
be that nuts about it? And you kind of get
the sense of both these guys are really addicted to
it at this point.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well when even it comes down to accepting failure. I mean,
people in a text in you can use the you
can use the shop mas the text line one price,
one person, one hour, three or three five, four O
nine two five. Name the great coaches to me, the
great players that became great coaches. I remember Larry Bird
had some good success with the Indiana Pace Magic Johnson.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
But he kind of washed up to the front office.
Magic just flat out said he couldn't do it. He
can't do it because they don't care like I did. Yes, yeah,
and and most you know, Jordan never was. So who
were the you know, great coaches think about great players.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Campbell's proved. Now I don't know it was Dan, but see,
was Dan Campbell a great player? I don't remember Dan
Campbell the players, and.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
That would tell you it's not a great player, right right, right.
So so a lot of times the kind of average
to below average kind of guys. Think of baseball, for example,
it seems like guys who are not great catchers end
up being becoming great managers, right because they had to
think the game. Uh, and they had to they had
to be you know, beyond the physical because they weren't
of that ilk if you will. And so it's interesting

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to think about who were the great players that have
ever become great coaches?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
See, I would have been, And I know this is
going to drive everybody nuts, so I'm ready for it.
Text away three or three five oh four O nine
two five. I felt like Patrick watt a shot.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And there'd be one.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Whatever happened with the Phil difference where he just decided
I'm out of here happened and they went on to
win the Cups. And when just texted and water. Bill
Jackson's a good example.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I was Phil Jackson a great player. He was a
good player.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But what would you do with Rabel right now? Dark
good coach? So far, he's probably a better player than coach,
wouldn't he?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, probably, I'd say so at this point. I mean,
he was a pretty darn good player, though.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
A great hockey player at times. He was a good
coach for the Avs. But I don't know if I
go great there was Quinnville ever a player because he
won a Cup with Chicago. But if I'm asking you
this probably wasn't.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
If you're asking if he was a great player, then
he was not a great player. Because those guys are obvious,
and we're talking about the top left. I mean, think
of the guys we just mentioned was cu Dion Sanders, Marshall, Fulk,
Warren Sap, Noel Jackets, right, Gold Jackets. Nobody doubts them
being great players. So great players generally have not made
that transition for the reasons we'd just talked about.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think great text from postal Brian didn't Bill Russell
he coached the championship a year after they won it, right, Well,
he was a player was a player coach, So does
that not count?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I wouldn't count that.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Wow, here's a great run from the six to oh one. Okay,
now it's coming in with a bunch of people. You're
all getting on the same wavelength. Mike did coach, but
he had one great team.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, it did not go.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well in New Orleans, but man, he got there. Now
and again there's a lot of the drama about who
created that great defense, and Buddy.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Those guys will tell you they had two head coaches
back then.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
What about Dave Roberts, I don't know enough about the
baseball history. Would you call Dave Roberts a great? A
great player?

Speaker 3 (24:40):
He's pretty daring good. I don't know if i'd call
him great.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is baseball where you find this the most though, where
a great player can come in and because again take
this the right way, but you're not coaching the game
so much day to day. Like to me, when I
talked to Rod Smith, one of the things that I
always thought Rod was good about. Rod to me was
a great player. Where I thought he would make a
great coaches. He knew how to break things down to

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the simple like you're talking about. Was Mike Singletary a
great coach. He had some good player, he was a
great player. Yeah, I wouldn't say he was a great coach.
Somebody says, Gary Gate, there's a great example. There's maybe
the greatest lacross guy in your world. Uh you know,
so here here we're kind of up with handslicking. Steve
Kerr Dan Reeves has just been thrown out there. And

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he was a really good running back. But was he
a great running back? I don't know if i'd classic
Sparky Anderson's another suggest.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Okay, somebody just said Andy just said Steve Spurrier Heisman
Trophy winner. Oh there you go. There there's one hell
of a coach. There's one. I think you'd given on
to that one.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
A few people now ask him?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
What do you do with with Pete Rose? Jerry Sloan
was pretty darn good?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, there's I was told Sloan was scary as hell.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, he was a nasty human being. That was pretty
good one.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
What about what about Pete Rose? Ever?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
And again in the human beings pat Riley was not.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
You're not answering my question. Was he a good coach?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Who was that he Rose? Uh? No, I wouldn't know
he wasn't a great coach.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
No, no manager, I should say manager.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
We're getting some good good Uh oh, don Mattingly.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Did Mattingly win a championship with one of his teams?
Did he win a World Series?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Somebody says Dan was he was.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
He manager of the Dodgers?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Who is?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Who is? Maddingly? What about Boachie? Was Bochie a good player?
Bruce Bochie?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Somebody just said Dan Isle? Would you say Dandy was
a great coach, great player? You'd make that without that claim,
without questioning it.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Look, I think he did some great things with his teams.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I don't think somebody just said Chauncey Billups, Okay, Chauncey,
without question was a great player.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm gonna say this was a great player, good coach.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Johncey's been a quality coach. At this point, I would
say so too.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
We're gonna call you a great coach. Don't you have
to have a chance or at least sustained success to this.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
You're finish, right, So you you've got a few of
those people that you can put out there and say, yeah,
great on one side, maybe you know run of the
mill or average on the other.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Side, about John Madden. I don't remember John Madden the player.
I very much remember John Madden. There you go, matter
of fact, John Madden. Well, look I'm too young.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Lenny Wilkins just came in. That's a good one. Okay,
that's a good one, Lenny Wilkins. You've got to give
them on to it. Lenny.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Here's another one I think is debatable. How about Doc Rivers.
Are you Are you comfortable putting great in front of
player or coach with Doc Rivers? I think very good
at both. I don't know if I go great.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I think i'd go pretty darn good at both.
I'm not sure great would be Jim Harbaugh. I think
would you call him a great place?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
See, that's hard. I don't think i'd call he was again,
he was good, Yeah, he was good, but he wasn't
the elite like we're talking about. Yeah, I can't say
that Gretzky. Gretzky coach that didn't go too well?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Right, I didn't go well?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did Jordan coach? Jordan?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, no, No, I don't think he coached all. No.
If I did, it didn't go Larry Bird continues to
come in and make no mistake on the player side,
one of the greatest of all time. He might be
on the Mount Rushmore, but on the on the coach side,
he was serviceable over that side.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Ryan just sent in Nicola Jokic what we just saw
in this playoff run. We may eventually be saying, yeah,
that's true because I think he shipped in there.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
That goes back to the Bill Russell. Think you talked
about the guy that was playing and coaching at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
All right, let me ask you this. All right, Eric
b Enemy certainly a great running back, hadn't been a
head coach, Okay, but he's positionally coach position coach in
a nice job.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
But I guess I'm thinking, if if we're gonna call
you and put you in the upper echelon, you've got
a head.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Coach, that's fair. Baylor. Do you remember Baylor?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
The player Alan Baylor was putting on good He was
as tough and mean as they came.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I can't call him a great coach though a great manager. God,
he was a lot of fun. He's one of my
favorite Rockies managers, no doubt. Steve Cursey. Again, I would
not call Steve Kerr a great player.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
He was made very good play because he played with the.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
John Paxson replacement with JACKI move Larry Brown.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Jack just came up with Larry Brown. And Larry was
a very good player. He played mainly in the ABA
for remember correctly, right right, and had the multiple championships,
so he'd I think you got to put him in
that category, all right.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I did not expect to get into that. But here
we keep going. Bud Grant. Do you remember Bud Grant,
ninety year old Bud Grant a couple of years ago
and they had to play the playoff game outside and
he's like, ah, you're all a bunch of sissies, and
he walked down in his polo. I remember, everyone is
like in a moon suit and he's out there in
a polo flipping the coin.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You gotta remember, I grew up a Vikings fan up
in the Oper Midwest. So yeah, neew, Bud Grant, somebody
who's putting coach prime. We had a lot. He's on
his way.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
He's on his way.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
He's on his way. From a football standpoint, I'm not
sure he's done it long enough to qualify, but then,
but he's certainly on his way at this point.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
See Dusty Baker's another good one. I would say, hey,
what about Rick tocket Spring is Rick Tockett? Like I
feel like Rick Tockett was a good player. I don't
know if I'm gonna call him a great player. Gordon Bombay,
Tom Landry, see again, you're with all due respect, I

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don't know. I don't know. It's I don't remember Tom
Landry as a player. I can't remember the coach. I
can't say that. I've got else was a player coach.
How many player coaches?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well, I think that was more common back in the day.
You're not going to see that. Well, with the exception
of Nicola Jokic and what he's doing. But that's not
an official title.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I told you not to.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Did.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
We started with Patrick Waugh, But again I don't I
think Patrick could have been great. I think the stint
here was too short that we'll.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Ever know it was Islanders coach now, I know, But
I mean, there's.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
No championships there yet it gets to a championship. He's there.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
So Zach just wrote in the Cody Hawkins.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, guys like to have fun, and that's what we're
here for, all right. I'm gonna we got to get
to this red Zone college thing, because again ESPN, I'm
really curious to see where this all goes. So ESPN
has purchased some things from the NFL. They are giving
ten percent of the revenue to the NFL. It's a
wild deal. ESPN's now announcing a slew of new streaming services.

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For example, Hulu and Disney Plus are now together. We're
about to have like the ESPN app launch, which is
just called ESPN. It's gonna like again, you may think
you have all this stuff, it's all about to change.
It's all about to be new. We'll get into that
and what does it mean for red Zone next.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You've got the Krekman and Lyndahl Podcast. Listen live every
weekday from ten am to noon on Altitude Sports Radio
ninety two to five and on the Altitude Sports Radio App.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
We were all on. It's Corregman and Linda all hanging
out with you until six o'clock tonight. Mark Johnson's sitting
in today. Nick Krekman returns on Monday, and we'll have
our first preseason game of the year to talk about.
So that's gonna be a great time as we have
a full weekend of action of preseason action if you
want to call it that. Now, I'm gonna be curious
to see, you know, how much action we get what

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teams play starters? It sounds like the Broncos. I guess
we'll see what Sean says after tomorrow's joint practice Sean
Bey and Sean.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Payton, And if he are you on a first name
basis with him now, I'm really not.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's why I wanted to throw that last name in
there as well. Yeah, coach Peyton, Coach Peyton, if you'd like,
he likes Sean, He's okay to Sean. But we'll see
if after they get done with these joint workouts what
they are work out singular, If he decides he's still
going to play some starters, I won't be shocked if
he will, especially considering the San Francisco defense should not
be the same test that he's been dealing with when

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with the first team defense he is out there.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
How about the Brown's announcing is going to start?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, I'll have to talk about that in the five
o'clock hour. I want to get your take on that,
because again, there's some theories out there as to what's
going to go down. But let's start with the red
zone situation. So first off, I know you're not really
a big red zone guy. You get enough of your
football at work, so I don't think you're seeking it
out when you're on your off day. I know Coach
Barnett had told me in the past he mainly just
does the college football thing. Now, but you've watched Red Zone,

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so I'm curious. First off, you're a little worried about
the product going to ESPN.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Well, it's not like ESPN doesn't have a history of
changing things, changing and diminishing.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
People are worried abo that the inside that the NBA
is not going to be or whatever the T and
T show was is going to be the same now.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Right, And you just worry that that. You know, the
great thing about the red Zone was you if you're
a football junkie, if all you want is football information,
you went to red Zone and you got it right.
You're not messing around with it. You're not talking about anything,
but you're giving me football. That's all I want is football.
I want to see what's happening. I don't know who
made the plays, what the score was, what the stants were,
what the the plays that turned the game. All those

(33:46):
kind of things, and I'm just worried that they're going
to mess around with it.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
You think there's going to be a debate in the.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Middle of the you never know, you never know, or
there's going to be some political message or or some agenda.
You say, that's what you get worried about because they're
is a history of that on ESPN.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Now, Okay, are you're worried there's gonna be commercials because
Red Zone has been commercial.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Free for the most part.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yes, yeah, I believe they've already announced that they're going
to try to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Right now. I guess if they're placing you know, product
logos around the screen, that's fine. We're we're so used
to that now in sports, that kind of Nascar, you
know esque type of advertising. Okay, that's fine if you
do that, But you just weren't because it's been so
pure and so wonderful and it is just, you know,
just shoot football into my in my bloodstream, unadulter aged footbright.

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And I'm just worried that they're gonna mess with that,
and that worries you. The other thing about this is,
by the way, how does this being that now the
national Football League is one of your owners, yeah, because
they own like a what is a ten percent?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I think it's just the profit of red zone. I
don't think they've got any steak in ESPN, but Pro
Football Talk did wonder aloud today will this change how
they cover the NF.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
But exactly right, that's a legitimate question, you know, can
you be as objective when.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I would agree? But I also I understand about it this.
I understand the concern, but I think as a rights
holder already, I don't think they were afraid to call
over there and say, hey, aren't we kind of partners.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
In this thing? Well? They like, that's true, that's true,
and that does happen, as we well know in our business. However,
when you're now sharing profits, you've added another layer.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's true. You were that okay, So here's why I
don't think this is going to hit the same for
the college football fan. Do you want to see because
everybody says they want to see the touchdowns? And I
want to hear from that. I really want to hear
from those that enjoy the red zone channel because we've
already had the debates again. To me, I'm more I'm

(35:41):
into watching the games. But I certainly understand why people.
I've had a couple of afternoons that I really enjoyed
just watching red zone in the game. I'm not gonna
act like I've never enjoyed it. But three h three
five four oh nine two five shot mas. The text line,
do you really want to see the small school touchdowns?
Do you really want to see the players? You don't know?
I'll even take you one step further. Do you want

(36:02):
to see the games? Because you and I are not
really a part of it from what we do, and
you know I've talked about I've never gotten really into
the gambling, frankly, because I was, you'd have gotten in
trouble for that for the longest time in our careers.
So it just never became a part of what I do.
But if you're the gamblers that love the red zone,
the fantasy football players that love the red zone, they

(36:22):
want to see their guys. Right, Well, there's so many
college football schools.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, I was gonna say, how do you encapsulate that? Right,
there's thirty two teams in the UNAFL, So what is
their fourteen games? They're sure we got in afternoon slight
and so you've got a finite number that you're going
to recap and continue just to rotate through throughout the
course of the day. Now, how do you do that
with what is there? One hundred and thirty two four six,

(36:48):
whatever it is? You know FCS football programs? How do
you do that with with something that large? Are you
going to focus just in the power for conferences? That's
what I'm asking, right, And so I don't know how
you can do the same type of thing in the
college game unless you're just going to say we're gonna
we're going to focus on what the power for Pro
conferences you're doing.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Now, I will say this, as far as the morning
slate the evening slate, you could go with the SEC
thing at the beginning, right, do your SEC and your
Big ten in the morning, and you could go more
with the PAC twelve and whatever later games occupy the
tight slot.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
The Big twelve, Big twelve, Well it's the Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, the PAC twelve's.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Gone, Well, no, it's still there.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It's just twelve, right, But whatever that league is.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
The late night games, they went shopping at Rubbis shows
and picked up whatever they could out there.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I think about it. We had twenty eight o'clock games
being in the Big twelve last last year, right.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, still got to fill those television spots, so that
but you'll find the TV the whole time. But see,
what you're talking about is kind of the point of
this whole thing. How do you encapsulate that many games?
If there are you know, sixty games, sixty five games
on a given weekend in FCS college football, that's a

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lot of game aims to recap well.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
And again we have a text right here admitting the
red Zone channel is cool because of fantasy and gambling,
but I couldn't care less about it for college I
want to know if you're a hardcore fantasy football player.
I mean, first off, there is no college fantasy football
league that I'm aware of, so that takes one element
out of this thing. And if you're a gambler, you know,

(38:21):
I mean again, are you going to be psyched if
somehow they decide to pull your game off the octobox
or whatever they're going to call this thing to pull
up you know, Farnham and Miami of Ohio or whatever
it may be.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Well, that's just it. I don't know what kind of
audience there is going to be for that in the
same way we're talking about it people.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And I again, I am curious. Are people more loyal
to their colleges like I feel like around Denver, I
feel like people are most loyal to the Broncos, right
because we're not We're not Georgia where they'd rather watch
the University of Georgia.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, here's the difference between college and the NFL. You've
got to obviously, I've got an investment within the NFL
franchise you follow, but within college generally you have any
emotional connection. And what I mean by that is you
went to the school, or mom and dad went to
the school, or that's kind of the family institution, or
you know those kind of things. Are you getting the
state of Nebraska? Obviously it's the game in town, and

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so you have those kind of connections to it, and
there's that kind of personal history where when it comes
to the NFL franchise, you didn't you know, the Denver
Broncos fan didn't go to the University of Denver Broncos.
They cheer for the Denver Broncos. That's kind of the
I think how I differentiate. I'm with you, but I
just don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I feel like college fans want to watch their college play,
you know what I mean? Mark, What do you? I mean?
What are you doing during the day on a college
football Saturday. Are you as into it as the NFL?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Not as compared to the NFL, but still vary into it? Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Are you hoping? Are you hoping for red zone channel
for college football?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Because the way that they kind of distribute the games
throughout the day in each different window. You got your
ten am games, you got your one thirty two pm
games primetime.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
It gets a little more.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Chaotic, but you'll eat like there's like one or two
games in the morning or afternoon window that are worth
a damn. Then it's like Tennessee versus Vanderbilt. Do I
really need a live looking on Tennessee versus Vanderbilt? You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Well, that's why I'm saying as we go, as we go,
what about we'll stay with Vanderbilt because I guess that's
the one that keeps coming in. You got Vanderbilt, Mississippi State,
nothing's on.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
This is what I'm kind of well, this is what
I'm getting at.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I think you kind of touched on it. In the NFL,
I think you're watching your team and the league. In college,
you're watching your team. Don't you think there's a little
bit more of that?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I agree? So would they be better off like making
a red zone for the conference? YESEC red Zone channel,
the ACC red Zone Channel, the Big twelve red zone,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You could really make that argument in the SEC country.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yes, well, because again, at least if I'm doing that
and I tune into that, then at least I'm wondering
about the other teams in my conference. Right, But then
do you have enough games to support something like that, right?
Not like all these guys are playing it. All these
teams play at one time, you know, now, I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
How often do you swing by Rutgers per Due on
a Saturday at ten am Mountain time? Ago? I need
to stop a watch? If so, it's in the red zone,
do I care?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I really don't care.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
But but if you if in the NFL, if you
swing on bye and it's you know, Miami's playing New England,
should stop it one.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But again, it's because of the fantasy aspect of the
chances are good, I've got a fantasy player on one
of those teams, and so that's what I'm seeking it for.
I don't have to go look it up what did
my player do on the stat line or read the scroll.
I can watch it off red zone if you're not
playing college fantasy. And I again, if it's out there,
i'd I don't know about it, nor am I seeking
it without that element. I just don't think this hits

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the same.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
We are showing no respect for Vanderbilt Rutgers on here.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Here's absolutely right we are, and you know what, Vanderbilt
actually had a pretty good year last year. But do
you really want to watch Army Navy in the red
zone the minute they cracked the twenty? Do I need
to see Army Navy?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Well, it's Army Navy, so that's a little bit kind
of a unique monster there. No, that I probably stopped
because it's when the academies play. It's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, I'm sorry, I know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
You are an Unamerican comedist, aren't you? Huh? Are the
Army Navy is in the red zone and you don't care?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I saw where it. I don't need to see two
of the same veer offenses trying to do the same
thing or whatever they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, but USSR Jersey underneath that TS or whatever there.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yes, mister L don't think I just don't think you
need a college red zone channel. Again, I just don't
think this is gonna hit this disagree with you there.
I just think this is not. Matter of fact, there's
a bunch of other sports too that I don't think
this is gonna work. Well, the NFL is you need
because it's a once a weekend deal.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Do you know what this is? This is We've got it.
We had a really great idea and it's exploded and
everyone loves it. So to apply it to others, we're
going to try to duplicate it and it's not going
to work in that way because the circumstances are internally different.
That's what this is on again.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
See someone said this is the best thing because the NFL,
or because the Broncos stunk for the last ten years. Yeah,
but you're still playing fantasy football. I promise you if
your pro team stinks, your fantasy team still matters. There's
no option to pull me to a red zone college
football channel.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
So besides, how do you apply this to basketball? For example?
Like you said, So somebody question, so in the NFL,
like I said, Miamier plays, So Miami's in the red zone,
you go there. How do you do that in the NBA?
What what are you going to.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Last?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
You're not in the red zone. You're going back and forth.
It's it's ebb and flowing. It's fluid the entire So
you can't just dive in at a key moment like
you can in football you could have do in baseball
in some respects.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
The only thing I can think of is just showing
me the end of every game and every night in
the NBA, because let's be honest, for some that's all
you need to watch baseball.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
You could go if there's you know, runners at second
and third with two outs, you could go to those
key situations. In the NFL, though, it's unique in terms
of when the drama is going to rise because somebody
is inside the twenty yard line. You can't do that
in basketball. You can't do that in hockey either.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
By the way, Army Metvich Army Vet Mitch Yeah, also
disagrees with my take, but he says they beat Navy
every year.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Go Army, there, you go, thank.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
You, Army.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Ve Yeah, I think in the name we know what's
going on. They get the commercial back. I'm giving you
the back of my hand for being anti.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean, you have to try to get over here.
We'll have to see I can still move. You've got
the bad hip. Remember, we're gonna get the five biggest
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