8/6/25 Hour 3 - High Five, Rockies lose 20-1, Broncos expectations

00:00 High Five.

17:35 Rockies lose 20-1.

35:55 Broncos expectations.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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We're gonna pause, though, is we catch up on the
stories of the day. Kind of interesting. I believe this
is where we start to get a lot more of
the joint practices and whatnot. It's weird not having the
Broncos really, I think they were out there, but there's
no availability as they get ready to jump on a plane.

(00:46):
But Mark Mark Springer still has found five stories to
update you on. As we're we're almost gonna wrap up.
What's kind of the camp if you will the quote
unquote camp. So what's going on there?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Spring, Let's find out what's going on in today High five?
The Broncos release their first unofficial depth chart. This depth
chart is unofficial according to Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Let's see of note here, did we get any oars? No,
Indianapolis is doing where they had Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Broncos had some oars back in the day. In recent
years at quarterback, I remember some oars. I can't remember.
It has been something.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
You're right, it was Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Locke, I
think got the might have been that one.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, there was at least one ore for us. But
let's see wide receiver two. The second outside receiver listed
there atop the depth chart is Marvin Mims.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Okay uh?

Speaker 4 (01:44):
And then all the rookies you go to the back
of the line. For example, R. J. Harvey, you are
RB six, No super you hold.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
On, did what did we do with Bowl last year?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
He was q he was QB three.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, So this is kind of what Sean is what
he does. All right, all right, I will are we
surprised Marvin Mims is wide receiver too? You and I
talked about the fact that we were trying to remember
who wide receiver two was last year at spring.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, apparently it doesn't matter because it's unofficial. So can
I tell you why it doesn't matter?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, you said the right thing there. You want you
know why it doesn't matter. By all accounts from Sanford
and Leggy, the wide receiver two is really ev An Ingram,
but he plays tight end. But that'll be the guy
that gets the second catches. I think Marvin Mims is
worthy of having the position, but I don't think, like
we just said, I don't know how many targets that's
going to buy him, even though he's a starter. How

(02:42):
often do you when do you pay attention? Do you
even look at a depth charting game prep as much anymore?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, going through camp for example? Up it see you
right now? So when when I think the ones are
out there, I make a mental note, but I don't
pay attention until we'll get the week before.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, there's so many some packages more too, I mean,
and you got to remember.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So let's see, today was practice number eight, I think,
and that really that first five or six was all
about installation, and so now they're kind of making that
transition and say, you know, in the NFL, that first
week there, it's installation, and then then you start to
turn and you start to look for, you know, patterns
that you're seen developing out there. Okay, this guy has
been out there with the ones. That's kind of the

(03:23):
way I do it. But I really don't pay any
real attention until we get a week out. Then I say, okay, now,
now I think I see what's happening.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
By the way, coaches hate this depth chart, I don't know.
I don't know how the coaches haven't got this out
of there yet. They they all again across the league.
They just grit their teeth at Shanahan hated. Although Shanahan
would use it to send messages, I don't think we
got any messages sent here. But sometimes remember Mike what
was his last name, the Arizona running back, that kind

(03:52):
of Mike Bell surprised us and we're like, ah, he's
not really number one. Turned out he ended up being
the starter they were trying to motivate. Uh Ron Dane.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's remember that forgot yeah, and that didn't work. I
always forgot Ron Dane was a brunco at one point,
so did he.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
So, Shaudeur Sanders is starting for the Browns on Friday night.
It'll be uh, just two quarterbacks playing for Cleveland, Should
Sanders and Snoop Huntley.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Miles.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Garrett was asked about Should Sanders today. Here's what he
had to say.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I mean, he's he's funny, he's optimistic, light hearted, but
he works hard. You know, he takes it. He takes
it seriously, his craft, and he's watching what the others
are doing and not doing it his own way in
which only he can. So, you know, looking forward to
to see him then these preseason games and now he
uh you know, manages the offense.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But I think he he looks good. But all the
guys look good right now. Boy, he was trying hard
not to say anything, wasn't they.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
He was, Well, okay, you and I both covered Tim Tebow.
You and I also, you've now witnessed full fledged anything
to do with the Sanders family. You want to know
the power of the Sanders family, And I'm not Look,
it's just the evidence. I watch Get Up every morning.
Get Up, couldn't talk enough Dallas Cowboys. So of course

(05:10):
they're all over the Micah Parsons thing. You want to
know the number two story they are hitting literally every day,
how many snaps Shador is getting with the starting unit
and can he be? They have somehow found a way
to spin it to a topic. It's like the different
wording of the same question will he start? And he
answers consistently No. Not with Joe Flacco, this team's gonna

(05:31):
at least take a crack at being as competitive as
they were two years ago when Flacco got him to
the playoffs. Now, if Flacco proves to be what Spring
likes to term and Nate likes to term zombie Joe Flacco,
where you find out he's just not got it anymore.
I don't know what happens after that. Well, but do
you think they're trying to manage the momentum like we
saw with Tbo?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, I think that's part of the equation. Yes, now,
But I don't like about this announcement yesterday that he's
going to start preseason game number one. If he hasn't
really been taking that many snaps with number one all
of a sudden, in what seventy two hours you want
him to start, that means did he get plenty of
snaps with the ones today and then the day before.
Is it's gonna be some walk through stuff that's not
giving him a lot of prep time, if you will,

(06:13):
or lead time going and distorting this game coming up
here in a couple of nights there.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, there is a theory wondering if so, is this
setting him up to fail? Exactly right? And is that possibly?
What's I would you do that just to kill the hype?
Which I know then why he even draft him? We're
all asking.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I just knowing Shador like I do the last couple
of years and loving what he did. I don't like
the way this is being handled. And that's why when
I heard this yes show, I thought, yeah, I don't
like the way this line's up.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't disagree with you, but we also and look
I loved watching Shador too, But you and I both
know I would say he needed he needs to learn
to do the progressions, maybe a little bit more, at
least more than he did in college. So I would
have no problem if they just tried to put him on.
I'm with Spring. I don't understand what because again the

(07:02):
owner Jimmy HASLM insists, oh he's not.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why he's not the reason he took on that deal
last week when he carried about and did I mean
the Browns are gonna brown and that's what they're doing
right now right. I mean, the way they've handled this
thing has been horrible from the get kill. If you're
going to draft him with which they did in the
fifth round, you knew this was coming. You should have
been prepared how to navigate the waters that that is
going to come with. You know the magnitude of schidor Sanders.

(07:25):
You knew that it was going to be all sorts
of attention and the hoopla and everything that was going
to build around him. You should have been prepared how
to handle this. They have been. I mean, they have
stumbled and bubbled their way through this entire thing. But
it is the Cleveland Brown So I guess what do
you expect?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I do wonder is Joe Flacco. He's got to be
so so irritated, so irritated a guy gets picked in
the fifth round and it's all he's hearing about it.
And Joe has been around for one hundred and forty
two years. He went, he lived the Drew Locke experiences,
and I remember that basically told us no, I'm not
going to teach him any they have trying to keep
this job.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Oh, let's hear from Mary Jones. He talked after Cowboys
practice yesterday after we got off the air, and he's
asked about Michaeh. Parsons. Here's a good little chunk just
under a minute, Jerry Jones, do you feel a sense
of urgency in extending Micah Parsons again?

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Your definition of urgent? Uh? Is not necessarily I don't
get if he gave a definition of urgent, okay, and
so I stay urgent okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Any confidence that he will.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Be on the field good again? No, absolutely not. That
has to a big part of that is his decision.
How would I know that. I'm just saying no, but
I'm urgent to see essentially, need to reach out to
you again. If y'all are getting in the what's in

(08:54):
the mind and what's in the said, Uh, this is
a good time. He's a subject matter. What it is
is what it is, and we've will work through it
or we will not work through it.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Honestly, have you ever have you seen an owner love
the attention about negativity more.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Than this guy?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's almost like he seeks it out because this is like, again,
we all think that Jerry Jones gets a big kick
out of leading Sports Center and leading Get Up and
leading Good Morning Football and all that other stuff. He
likes to know his team's being talked about. But this
is not a good thing for you.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Do you remember the scene in Major League with a
third baseman came in with his contracts. I don't have
to do that and the manager threw it on the
ground and peet on it. That's essentially what Jerry Jones
did right there.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Well, you know what, I saw a quote earlier he said,
we essentially have a contract and we're talking about renegotiating,
and it's just again, it's these comments from like Jerry.
None of this is going to make I'm what's it's amazing.
What's made this so funny is you and I covered
the NFL at a time where the player just wouldn't
show up to camp right now, right and then they'd
wave the fines for them not being there, and everybody'd

(10:10):
shake hands, hug and we'd all be friends again. Well,
you can't wave the fines anymore, which has led to
these players staying there, and it just keeps these conversations
going and again Jerry just decides he's going to land
the copter, walk out, wait for his media hord continue
to make these comments. It's like, dude, I would think you,
of all people, would want everybody he quit talking about this,

(10:32):
and yet you show up every day to make sure
that they're talking.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
About Well, you talked about the media horde. Jerry's a
media horror, right, That's what he loves. He loves the attention.
He wants to be in the middle of it. And
so for him and his personality, it's like, you know,
I'll continue, but he's he's not saying anything to eliminate
this or diminish the issue at this point in time.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
All right, fine, Hey, Saturday night preseason football. The Jaguars
are hosting the Steelers in What County.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
All will Aaron.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Rodgers make his Steelers debut? Could Travis Hunter be the
first player to intercept Aaron Rodgers as a Steeler. We'll
see if Aaron Rodgers plays in this game. He was
asked today if he wants preseason reps with the Steelers.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Yeah, I mean, that's interesting conversation. I think Mike and
I have that at some point. I'm not I don't
think it's in the plan for me to play this week.
But whatever Mike wants to do, I'm fully onboard. Who
wants me to go out there and play, I'll play.
If not, then I won't. I've said a lot, you know,
with all due respect, then I can say whatever I want.

(11:42):
Preseason football is not necessarily real football because the defenses
just don't do a whole lot and the offenses don't either.
So you go out there with a very limited playbook
against the defenses playing one eye zone, one high man
or two I zone, and there's not much pressure. There's
oftentimes communication between the coaches about hey, we're not going
to pressure this week, or hey we need to see

(12:03):
a little bit pressure. It's really about the operation.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's not wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Did he just pull a Ricky Bobby there by the way,
all due respect, and then you go on and disrespect
disrespect everything he did. He pulled a Y Bobby.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. I I'm torn by this because I see some
tape now again it's tape out of camp. I don't
know what to make of it. He doesn't look like
he's moving the most spry whatever that's worth. Okay, Yeah,
I don't know if he's that old. I think he's forty.
But bottom line is I'll go look it up. Bottom
line is this he's older. But the reports are this

(12:42):
Arthur Smith offense, that he's trying to run. They don't
look good quite often, that the he's not completing passes
to guys the way that he normally would. They're not
seeing the same end of the routes. I saw a
Cones really did the other day where he seemingly slowed
down as the thing went along, almost wondering, Okay, this
is a guy that's already blown in a kill. Is
why are you having him do this? I guess we'll see.

(13:03):
I almost feel like he does need to play if
it looks as bad as the reports are in camp.
Now again it's camp reports. I don't know what to.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Is this going to be one of those guys that
was a great player and kind of a nose die
at the end of his career and you're like, wow,
what happened there?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Brett did have a good final year with the Vikings.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
He did, he had a nice year with the other yah,
but there have been some that you know, they really
tail off. You you're kind of getting the sense now
he went to the Jets and that was a disaster.
Obviously got the injury in the middle of it. But
you're wondering if this is kind of let me ask
you this petering out because.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's funny these guys have kind of been tied at
the hip when it comes to Broncos country because originally
we thought both guys had a shot had coming here.
Who's done more damage in the last three years Aaron
Rodgers or Russell Wilson two Hall of Fame guys that.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, Russell Wilson's kind of become a punchline down in
the end, he really has. Yeah, yeah, do you think
I mean, you know, Aaron Rodgers is an odd dude
and and we know the kind of the hippie dippy
stuff he gets into, but had has maintained a level
of respect as a player, where I think Russell Wilson,
like I said, has kind of become a joke in
the league.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Now, yeah, I would ask you this, are they both
still Hall of Fame candidates?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Russell Wilson know?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
And yeah, I think Aaron Rodgers so bad for Russ.
Like again, Rogers got hurt, right and then last year
he did keep the job with the Jets the way,
and Russ has been benched.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yes, he's been moved on from I can't Is there
anybody that would make an argument at this point in
time that Russell Wilson is still in the conversation with
the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Aaron Rodgers, I don't think. I don't think you debate
that at all. No, Rogers is one.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Of the all timers. He's got all the all time numbers,
and he's won a bunch of MVPs.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Wilson should send Pete Carroll and I'm sorry message. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
A lot of people thought that was going to happen
and that he would go to Vegas this year, and
that clearly didn't happen. And I don't think. I don't think.
I think those two are too worried about, from what
I understand, getting together for coffee. Let's get this last
one in fine Or.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
We have a joint practice going on between the Commanders
and the Patriots. Day we had a little fight between
the two teams, and Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel dove
in to that fight to try to break things up,
and he came away from it with a bloody cheek.
Patriots quarterback Drake May was asked after practice what went down.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I think passport. I think it's physical. It's physical game.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
You know, it's a it's a man's game, and things
happen out there. I'm not sure if anything on this
field happened, but I think there's a time where opps,
you don't want to come out here and fight and
get into trouble, but same time you won't.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
You want to back down for nobody.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I'm sure you know.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Coach will give the mind get kind of appreacher, you
can't have that, but at the same time kind of
in the back of our minds. So that's kind of
how we want to play.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
All right. Mike Rabel jumps in, had the bloody cheek,
the pictures going around, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
He's a linebacker, of course he jumped in the fight.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, we're not shocked. Who's the craziest coach you've ever
been around? Who's the biggest nut job you've ever been around?
That's probably a former player. I know you've known it.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
You Uh, there have been some guys that weren't former
players that were nut jobs. I've been around well, you know,
just from it in terms of intensity, and the guy
that would would stick his nose and everything was Eric Beenemy, right,
Eric Beennamy never backed down from anybody man, and so
when stuff would get heated, Eric was in there. John

(16:23):
like anybody, whether he was whether he was a player
or he was a guy that was fifty years old.
Eb's just intense all the time. And so he's the
guy you think of in terms of this kind of
stuff who was scarier.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
He be your Gene Katie, because you dealt with Gen Katy,
and all I've heard about is Gen Katy is nothing
but intimidating.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I was. Yeah, he was you know, never told a
story about his dogs. His dogs and me. I should
tell you that sometimes, Gene, when I was very again,
I was like twenty four years old. Yeah, he'd make
me peepy just a little bit every time he'd yell
at me. Yeah, okay, sorry, coach.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so you weren't afraid of Bobby Knight, but you were, well,
I had.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
The face Gene every day.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
We got this.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
By the time you be got here and I was
reading that. We were both in our fifties at that
point in time. So that was all right, but you
might hate you Just.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Leave it like that, all right. That is the High Five,
the five biggest Stories of the day. We do it
every day at five o'clock and it's authored by Mark Springer.
By the way, our training camp coverage on Altitude Sports
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Speaker 1 (17:26):
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Speaker 4 (17:39):
You know what's funny, Mark Johnson, It's two marks right now,
Mark Springer, Mark Johnson is I. I was just talking
with Andy Lindall in the hallway and I had a
sense of you know, we just heard Jerry Jones talk
about a sense of urgency, right, and I had a
sense of urgency of like, I got to get back
to the control room. We're about to get back from break.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Can Lindall did not now?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
So Linda was.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Waiting for you one wonders. We went into the restroom
they had separate restrooms, and I came out and this
is a faster pier than you man was Was there
a prostat I literally thought you were. Was there a
prostrat issue that you couldnt get all the back and.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Then time to sell? Because I thought you were? You know,
I was like, did he tell me what the situation was?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I got my business done, I'm back here to still
you're waiting on you.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
My flow was perfect. Yours apparently not so much.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, Listen, you went through you went through the slim
genics hues with me, you know, aeritized. You're like, what
is going on? I have to tell you this is
how you lose the weight with them.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So you know what speaking of which years ago when
you did that, and when when Lindenhall went through the
whole slim Genics thing. I mean you pete about every
three and half pregnant woman literally And we went on
a bus road trip and we were out. We used
to meet at a hangar on the edge of d
I a out there and the other day a little
memory popped up and so media you standing out on

(19:01):
the edge of the field peeing, and I took a
photo of you and we put that on social media.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well, and then we had Mike Bone calling me what
was Stifflerer?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Which is still trip.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Mike was always great to us, but uh, I didn't
get the connection.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I understood either. It was funny to him.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Though, Hey what hey?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
By the way, that was the Kansas trip where the
eight point lead.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
The last game in which how do you feel about
having to go to Kansas State for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
By the way, well, I'm not going to be there.
I'm going to be in the Palm Desert for basketball
on Thanksgiving, as I had worked my way to Kansas
State for the game on Saturday. Yeah, I'll be on
the That's right, it is a Saturday. Yeah. We got
a basketball tournament out there Thanksgiving Day in the day after,
and then football on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, I got a couple of things I want to
get to especially with you, know your extensive history in
the state in spring. I want you to weigh in
on this one too. We had mentioned the Rockies had
lost twenty to one today. Okay, for those who missed
it out by thirty nine. Yeah, forty five to six
was the run. Forty five runs in a three game

(20:07):
set for Toronto six for your Colorado.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Rackies, ouch, thirty wins?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Why isn't this kind of dubbed more one of the
more embarrassing moments in Denver sports history. I feel like
if any other team, and I'd throw CSU and see
you up there as well, the Avs, the Nuggets, the Broncos,
any of these teams we're going through what is essentially

(20:38):
this is like trying to go one in fifteen. It
almost feels like in a football season, or you know,
the season that the Avs had that netted him Nathan McKinnon.
Why is not a bigger deal?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Are we just so used to the stink?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well? I was gonna say, you know the old line.
They always say that the worst thing is not when
they don't like you and they hate you. The worst
thing is when there's apathy. Right at least if somebody
is angry about what you're doing, there's passion there. When
you get to the point of apathy and people just
kind of ignore it, that's not a good sign, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is there? Even if you're a Rockies fan? Three h
three five oh four O nine two five shot mas.
The text line one price, one hour, one person. Again,
if this were the Broncos and you and I know
it because we lived through it with the Josh McDaniels final.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
The city would be smoldering if this were the Broncos, right.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Hey, aspire everybody around there, and when are we going
to fix this? And what's going on? You know, when
when is this? Well, someone just brings up the Dolphins
hanging seventy on you. That's a great comp yes, and
people still bring it up. People still remember it. But
it led to anger and outrage and when will this
get better? And so on and so forth. Why doesn't

(21:56):
that happen with the Rockies?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
You want to meet away and all way, Well, the
NFL's king first, like with the Broncos, You're right, I
think that now the training camp has started and preseason
game number one is on Saturday Night, and they got
just like a tick better. I mean they won like
a few games, but now it's just like, Okay, they

(22:19):
were so bad when nothing was going on, and that
was the story and we're just kind of sick of it.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Now we're just like.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Oh, they're really bad.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
It is what it is. Broncos are here, Rockies can
lose twenty to one and it's terrible, but okay, Broncos
Niners Saturday Night.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, that's what it is. I think there's something to that.
And then and in spring, don't you think the expectation when
you become sure a frank, if this were happening, for example,
with the New York Yankees, right with the Dodgers, where
the Saint Louis Cardinals, those fan bases would be going
out of their minds. Here in Denver, it's like, well,
it's the Rockies. Oh yeah, the Broncos are getting ready

(23:01):
for their first preseason game, so that's what we pay
attention to.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, but this is still you and I both know,
and we're getting a lot of texts, not enough hardcore
Rockies fans. There was a passion for baseball. There really was.
And I again, I was here when it felt like
we went two or three times and probably was just one,
but I was younger, but it felt like this This

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city was constantly putting on the dog and pony show
for major League Baseball to get a team here, right,
And people voted in the stadium and handed the rights
over to the things so that they could run it
and all that.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Other street bombers and along with that, yes, and even
going back to the you know that miracle September with
the Rockies when they went to the World Series October
and all that, but since then there hasn't been much
And so you become people's expectations, become what you are.
And then so when it gets bad like this, I
think they kind.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Of But Mark, this is a passion at sports city
now without people have texted in and they've said, this
is a football town. There's no doubt you guys are right.
This is a football city. I talked about it earlier.
I grew up here, I knew football amongst all else.
The Broncos have been a religion since the seventies, so
on and so forth. But I honestly, I'm telling you

(24:18):
I never thought i'd see a passion for a major
sport like baseball is stomped out like it feels like
it has been in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
But it could come back in a second. Did you
see the crowd on the Breton Doyle walk off on
Friday nights?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, because I think you finally saw something wacky that
you didn't expect.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
That was likely one fun moment this year.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
You're right, this year, maybe the last three years. I mean,
think about this, then look what are they going for?
Three straight hundred lost seasons. This is unbelievable, how bad
this is. You've called a lot of bad cu football.
You and I have been a part of one win seasons.
But here even more outrage for that. There was anger

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in you know, the part of the state roots for Cus.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I think that there's still was more outright the Texters out.
I'll never forget when I first got here back in
two thousand and four, right, I'll never forget. One day
I was out of Broncos and I run into Dmac
and we were chatting. Of course we had that connection.
I just come from Syracuse. He's a Syracuse guy, and
we were talking about kind of the market and what
it was. It's nothing think about. Might have been Sandy
Cluff I was talking to. Anyway, whoever it was. He said,

(25:26):
let me tell you about what what Denver, Colorado is.
This is Cluff. It was Cloff Well Furman's cloth, all right,
I think it was Cloff. Now did you mention it?
He said, this is a Broncos town. And he said,
when the Buffaloes are good in football number two and
it's a distant number two, but it's just a football town.
And so the Buffaloes are there and everything else kind
of falls behind it, and then whoever's good at that

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point in time kind of comes the passion. So and
I found very quickly that what Sandy said at that
point in time was very true. And so what are
we talking about that if that's still the case? And
I think it probably still is. They're on the verge
of their third consecutive one ever lost season. Guess who's
at the bottom of the wheel right now, Roxies. And
even though we're seeing some textures and they say they're

(26:08):
diehard Rocks fans, and I fully understand that, and I
believe that, however, the casual fan, what really makes a
team the buzz, is the casual fan that wants to
jump on the bandwagon. Every franchise has got it's hardcore fans.
What happens when you get in a bad cycle, the
hardcore fan or the casual fans rather start to drop
off and aren't paying attention. And I think that's where

(26:30):
we're at right now with the Rockies casual fans.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I'm telling you, Mark most of the people in Spring
It's what your point about Friday Night? You know why
that was so amazing because most of the people that
go to the games anymore, are not even Rockies fans.
It's the other team's fans at every game. And I
know this.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
That one was kind of the exception because it was
the Pirates, right, but well.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
And it was a Friday night, hey, and coursefield, it's
still summers in Colorado. You go down, you hang out,
and sometimes you semi pay attention to the factors ball game.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
The a ton of casual fans of that game, Yes,
at that game now.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Because it's a great social media not necessarily.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Pirates fans, a handful of Rockies fans, but just people
hanging out.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
But when they were like, hey, here's a comeback, oh,
walk off, they all got into it.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
How many casual fans casually knew about Paul Skeens and
probably thought he was pitching Friday night because they didn't
bother to check. Do you remember realize he wasn't going
tel Saturday?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Do you remember he was years ago across the street
when he and I were still over there before they
fired both of us. Do you remember we sent an
intern up to the party back at one time, and
I said, I told him walk around and do some
interviews and ask people what's going out of the game.
And I'm they if he talked to fifty people, forty
eight had no clue the game was even going.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
They weren't watching it exactly, they weren't watching. And look
a lot of people are saying, play good and the
casual fan will come back without question. But I will
ask you this though, because again here's the thing. Like again,
one of the good Texters here is said, look at
the Nuggets and went from empty seats to a sellout streak.
You're absolutely right, but you know how that happened, Nikole Jokic.
It's real simple. Yeah, Jamal Murray's got to say, Michael
Malone did his part at the trading fair and Gordon,

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but Nicole is the reason you've got the best player
in the sport.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's another reason why the Pronco passion kept going and
burning so long through the eighties. You had John Elway,
and John Elway was a talking point on NFL pregame shows,
on and on and on and on. The early Rockies
had a Todd Helton, the adda Larry Walker. But I'm
telling you, you tell me seriously, you've covered sports a
long time, all sports. I have no idea like to me,

(28:25):
I don't know how you dig out of this quickly.
I've told people, people are asking me, what do you
want to see? What I want to see is you
somehow figure out how to cultivate a minor league system
that in four years you got about nine guys like
Todd and the Toddlers that are ready to come up
with Ethan Holiday. So we can see a folk because
Ethan's great good. I love Matt, so of course I'm

(28:46):
gonna root for Ethan. I would also I got another
player I want to bring up in a second. Well,
let's finish this part of the discussion.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Well, here's the thing, Eddie. Unlike an NFL team, you
can't draft a quarterback to change this immediately.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
These guys are drafting, we know they're gonna be good
for three years.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
You don't have that that trigger position. Even if you
get a top level pitcher once every fifth day, you're
gonna see this guy come around, right, And so baseball
is a different creature in that regard. In basketball, you
can come up with Nicola Jokic or a Michael Jordan
or one of those kind of guys and it turns
your franchise immediately. Baseball is a slow just like it's
a slow game. It's a slow turning game, and you

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don't you don't turn this round.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I just want to say too, Kyle Freelan starting today
shouldn't have He shouldn't have started. He should be on
another team. No, there's no doubt one or two good
starts slightly before the deadline. He shouldn't have even been
out there today, and he gets sheld for six earned runs,
four and two thirds.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It shouldn't even be there. It just feels to me
so daunting a task to make this thing not not
sorry again, you know what I mean? Like you good Hey, warning, warning,
Burnable Ben or Berna bell They were all really really
pushing in Berna Belle today on the broadcast, So I
guess I'm gonna go that way. He's a fun player,
although I'm talking about a player that ran over his

(30:01):
catcher trying to catch a simple pop up last night
that added to the pain of what that game was.
They have bad News Bears plays on the regular where
it literally feels like you're watching something out of a
bad baseball movie. And I just feel like like even
Dmax trying to stir it up because he loves baseball

(30:21):
and even he's broken by this thing. Like I honestly
feel like this is so bad. You somehow stamped out
of passion for a major league sport again. You know
how many towns whenever I used to go see my
family in Amarillo, Texas, you know how their eyes would
get for you get a watch all four major sports.
You've got a Major League Baseball my dad every time

(30:42):
when we were across the street because I could get tickets,
just the polite can we please go to a Rockies game?
Can I please just go watch Major League Baseball? And
they have just this is just putrid, putrid.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
It's it's hard to watch, and it's it's to fla.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well, yeah, I mean you're a guy that doesn't really
have hope because of your profession. But even professional hope
right now, it's gonna take a lot of work. It's
gonna take a lot. Like I said earlier, baseball turns slow.
I know how often.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I mean, you know, I grew up a Twins fan,
and they had that worst of first deal, you know,
back in the early nineties and stuff, and so that
does happen on occasion. But at least you could look
and say, well, there are the pieces right back then
you and Ed Kirby Puckett and Ken her Back and
guys like that run that franchise center, Prince. So you went, okay,
you could see that turn. Where do you look here
and go, oh, I see the building blocks that are

(31:40):
going to turn this thing around immediately.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Ethan Holiday, I'm hoping. And then, look, as much as
I love Ethan, let's be realistic about it. He's a
high school player, yes, And I remember thinking when they drafted,
when they drafted Brendan Rodgers, and all of a sudden,
Trevor's story comes up, and I'm like, oh man, this
is going to be a bit of a problem. They
just drafted. And guess what. Rodgers couldn't even get his
way up to the big leagues for like five years,

(32:04):
and then once he got here, he wasn't even And
I liked Brendan Rodgers the guy, but he was never
what they projected him to be. No, No, he was
never the slugger that he was supposed.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
To And like you said, Holidays, what eighteen nineteen years
old or whatever, he is, right, You're gonna that guy's
not going to be your savior next year.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well and again until they figure out some pitching. Like again,
I don't even know how he answered the pitching question.
You know, you could sign all sorts of free agents
that could be fun with the bat. They've done it
in the past. You know a guy like a Michael
kadi Er, maybe not a Dragon Slayer, but that guy
was a fun player for you as a free agent.
But what's the point when you have zero pitching and
gosh all it takes. You know what's funny? They're like,

(32:42):
they're like the offensive lineman. I was talking to Tyler
about this Columbus the other day, where you know the
offensive lineman. You and I hear it all the time.
We know somebody they get so upset because they could
have ninety eight good plays, but the two that gave
up sacks and they suck and they need to cut
right right. The Rockies could get eight good innings of pitching,
and yet they've always got the guy that's like, you know,
gas to a fire, like he just finds a way

(33:04):
to just give them up five.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, it's not like the it's not like the offenses
on fire with you.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But when they would get it, like Tyler Kinley Frankly
was that guy. I was like, why do you guys
keep bringing in Tyler Kintley?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Just stop to tell you there's no other answer, nobody
else to bring it.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I was just sure he was sure to burn down
whatever lead you had built. I'm telling you, I, you
and I have been around some bad teams. This is
this may be the worst.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
This is well the white socks, I mean, they're they're
on pace to Is it right to say better the
white socks from a year ago? Worse the white socks
than you're you're you're, you're in the when any time
you're in the in the conversation of historic terribleness, terribleness, brutality,
that's not a good conversation to be. And it's where

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we are right now, and it is, it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Okay, I want to I want to I want to
ask you this one fun thing way and three or
three five h four own two five because I want
to turn to something else on the other side of
the break. Should they just go the all Suns team,
because again Drew, Drew and Spilly and Houston were talking
about it last night. They're not sure that the Jays

(34:19):
can afford Bob Baschett. Should they go get Bob Baschett
as the first free agent in a long time to
pair one day with ethan holiday and do all they
can to try to create a new version of the
Bombers with all the kids.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That that just kind of sounds like something Bill Beck
would have done back in the day, Right, you go
get both polis all night and then and then all
the kids.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
But I will tell you this, I would go watch
the kids at least because I like their dads.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, yeah, but that would last. That would last about
two weeks if the game, Yeah, go to.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
A whole series like Spring said, I'm going to the
Friday Night Special. I'm having a couple of pops and we're.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Getting out of them. Yeah. That would last a moment
or two and then we'll be back in the same
bad once again.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
What other kids are out there? Should they just go
to the old junior team period? Get Vlad Junior is
Prince Fielders, It's Prince Fish.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
It'd be great if they had money for that that
wasn't tied up in Chris Bryan's.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Well there is no Sarah cap Oh, well thirty wins. Yeah.
Does Todd Helton have a kid ready yet?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Outscored by thirty nine of the last three years.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Is Andra Scalaraga got a grandchild. We could maybe go.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Sign twenty to one. The score ten twenty to one.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Hope you enjoyed that day? Oh too bad? What was
like in ninety five degrees? Too?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Could you even see with all the haze out there?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Goodn't they?

Speaker 5 (35:41):
All?

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
We're gonna wrap it up after this.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
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Speaker 2 (35:59):
Craikman and Linda All. Mark Johnson in from one more
segment again, We've got more Shenanigans coming your way tomorrow.
We are going to connect with Marcus Washington. He's gonna
hang out as we talk a little bit of football. Uh,
Spring's gonna be in. We've got coach Sanford in again.
We're gonna try to hook up with romy Bean after
the practice in San Francisco. Marcus, you got a former
Buff there, former Buff had safety also played in the

(36:22):
CFL with for Gary Barnett back in like did so
we'll talk to them. Yeah, and then we're gonna have
Jeff Lagwad on Friday. He is gonna literally come from
the airport with the practices and come and give his
report to us. So that's so, I got a question
for you, because I think we're all a little bit
thrown off. Sean Payton to me, and I've said this

(36:44):
before again, he to me feels like an old school
coach because he's always talking about how he's you know,
he's a product to Bill Parcells as an old school
as it comes. And so listening to him praise this team. Now,
he's said a lot about BO, and I get it.
He's proud. He look he saw things in Bow that
the rest of us didn't. Good for him, he gets

(37:05):
to brag there, But his praise this year is not
just about Bo. It's spilling over to the entire team.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
You've been around a lot of coaches in your career.
We've talked about some of them. Have you ever heard
a coach he's so positive about his team to the media,
And what reaction do you have when you hear that, Well,
it's it.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Almost makes a little bit uncomfortable because of his reputation
being a little bit old school and a guy that's
you know, not nearly as evasive with his speech as
we're seeing this year. I mean, did he ever do
this back in the day with the Saints what he
had Drew Brees and knew that they were his Super
Bowl contending team. I don't recall him doing that.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't either, But again, the media wasn't quite as
big when he had you know, Super Breeze if you will.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, So it is a little disarming when you hear
him be this gushing about his team, and especially since
listen and I wasn't sure what bo Nix was going
to be as a quarterback. You know, I saw him
a number of times in college and thought he was
a fine quarterback. I was wondering about the transition to
the NFL. It's been one year in a very nice
rookie season, but year number two is always the year

(38:10):
that I watch where I go, Okay, now we're really
going to find out, right, because everyone's got a book
on you. Now we know that they're going to defend
you certain ways that they've picked out on. So your
number two to me is always the great evaluation year. Okay,
is this really an upper level quarterback? Or was year
one just kind of a surprise to people because they
didn't know what to expect from And so it's a
little bit disarming for me when I hear this kind

(38:31):
of praise going on from a guy as veteran is
what Sean Payton is and so I'm kind of fascinating
to see if the praise is legit and or is
he sending a message to his team trying to Now,
it also helps when you're going to have what we
all believe is going to be one of the premier
defenses in the Getafel, and you can really be I think,
over the top of your praise because you believe that's
what the calling court is going to be for this.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, so I'm going to tell you that right there
is why I can't because I got a lot of
people and it's a fair question. Do you really buy
that they're going to be this good? Are you really
to call them a Super Bowl contender? D mack ass
out of Tyler and Scott both said no. And I
understand why. There's a reason though that I get paused.
And here's if that defense is as good as what

(39:12):
we saw in twenty fifteen, and I think there's elements
there now. I don't know. Listen, Nick Benito looks like
he could be set up for a special year. Jonathan
Cooper always seems to have really good spurts. What I
have to see out of Jonathan Cooper for them to
be twenty fifteen consistency consistency, DeMarcus Ware was a good
second guy, and then they've got it. They've got to,

(39:34):
you know, Jonah Ellis has to take another jump in
his growth. Hugh Robinson looks like a good rookie, but
you and I have seen plenty of good rookie camps
and don't translate to the regular season. So that's a
question that's got to be answered.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
But this appears to be a potential top five type
p fans.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Nick Benito appears to have every bit as good the
first step as von Miller had and I don't say
that lightly. And Zach Allen I think does things on
the inside, and Vaughan himself. Von Miller himself said that
he and Derek Wolf's just had a special connection where
Derek would do something that would allow the blocking to
shift to where he could do what he wanted. And
if they saw a certain formation or a chip or

(40:08):
whatever coming they almost had this innate, unspoken way of
knowing what each other was gonna do.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Pass.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, so Zach Allen and Benito have a little of
that thing going on, okay, because Benito talked about it
when they named Zach Allen the ninetieth best player on
that ninety nine countdown or whatever it was. So yes,
I think those those elements. John A. Baron is showing
me he's got the ability. He's a very smart player.
He does a lot of things inside. Jay Kwan McMillan
is better than Kevon Webster, who was pretty darn good

(40:39):
as a diningback. I think they've got the secondary again.
You know, you got a Brandon Marshall and see, I
don't know. I do think Singleton and Dre Greenlaw, if
they can stay healthy and already in camp that's been
a bit of a challenge, so we've got to be
careful about it. But if they can continue to stay healthy,
they could be every bit is it as Travathan and

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Brandon Marshall, maybe even better. Drake Greenlaw is a beast man.
He's a throwback to the linebackers you and I knew.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
But even even with them being said on the defensive
side to hear a guy like Sean Payton. So Shawn's
not doing this because he's emotionally. This is very well
thought out by him, right, I think so. So he's motivating.
Sean's a brilliant guy. We know that he's not doing
this just because it it. I'm kind of tickled by
what I see. And I'm excited because I was right
about Bonnicks when others weren't. That's not why he's doing this.

(41:28):
He must believe that there's a purpose behind how if
he was somebod he's saying with with his uh praise
at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, I just I just think with that, with this defense,
I don't think he could count it out. And again,
you don't have a Demerius Thomas on this team. But
I do think JK. Dobbins can be as good as CJ.
Anderson was. I do think R. J. Harvey can be good,
if not better, than Ronnie Hillman was to that Super
Bowl team. Now I'm going through the offensive side of

(41:57):
the Super Bowl team. Was chatting with thrown me to
set up tomorrow's interview, and she brought up the offensive
line right away. I do think this is a better
offensive line than what they had on that twenty fifteen team.
And bo Nicks may not be as cerebral as Manning,
but he's he's pretty darn cerebral on.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Him to do right. So you just went through that
offense and maybe they don't have the explosiveness we saw
on that team, but that's putting a lot on the
plate of Bonnix.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
It is. But with Evan Ingram, Look, they didn't have
an Evan Ingram last year. I think they can finally
design some plays and some routes that they didn't have
the Evan Ingram option. So I think that can be better.
And you know, Cortland Sutton is still he and Bow.
Now I say this, it's interesting because we've just gone
through a week where a lot of Bow's interceptions have
basically been him forcing it to Courtland Sutton. So he's

(42:46):
got to quit doing that. You know, Marvin Mims, I
think can be an intriguing player. I just think they
have the potential to be at least on par with
what was not the greatest of offenses under Manning in
twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
But if you're going to be in that conversation the
Super Bowl conversation. Your quarterback is going to have to
elevate everyone around him.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
You're right, Look, you're right. And for those that are
hearing that and wondering why, because you're dealing with Josh Allen,
you're dealing with Joe Burrow. And I haven't even meant
mentioned the dark Prince known as Patrick Mahomes. Right, So
you got those three alone. I have not mentioned Lamar Jackson,
you know, the guy that's won a couple MVPs himself.
It's a brutal conference.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
NICKX is going to have to elevate everyone around him
if they're going to be that kind of team in
your number two, and that's asking it awful lot.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
All right, let me ask you this, do you think
they can win the division? The guy that's got the
biggest orange kool Aid going in his veins right now
at this station, I think is Mark Springer, who's predicting.
Would you say twelve or thirteen wins? Twelve twelve wins
and a division win? Now I'm not counted out because
at some point I would.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Think I think they could. I think they could.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Kansas City to me, he's got some questions.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Wh I agree, But I hate questioning Mahomes because again
is dark magic shows up every year whenever everybody's talking
about how bad they were. Last year was a fifteen
and two times, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:07):
So I don't I think this is a year where
maybe they split with with Kansas City and it's gonna
put them in the conversation then for for that division title.
So yeah, I think they've got a chance.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
See, I think about the split only because they've.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Got they split last year for goodness, Well they did.
Oh that's right, they did. Yeah, doing the same thing
a lot of us do.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
We don't count the second game because they didn't play
anybody did the.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Chiefs, but the Bronx that was a legitimate split.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah they did win that one. But you know, Broncos
Christmas against the chief scenariohead that could be for a
whole lot. Yes, if not the division, it could be.
It could be a lot for the Chips in the conference.
I don't know. Do you think is bo better than
Justin Herbert? Are you ready to say that the two
Oregon guys.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I can't say that yet after one year.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
But he's got a chance.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
He's got a chance. Yeah, he's got a chance. I
just can't say it after just automatically make that kind
of statement after one year, I've got to see more
in year number two.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Do you think Sean's right? Do you think Sean's talking
too much? You've seen a lot He's saying it to everybody.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I can't say you're saying too much. I just don't
understand him saying it. That's what I'm gonna get right,
because it just it seems a lot of character to
over reject what your team is before it actually.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know what it is. Do you watch The Wonder
Years ever?

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Remember that show? Whenever Kevin's dad was in a good
mood on that show, You're like, what is going on?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yes? Yes, you in a good mood? Right, Because you
don't generally don't see coaches talking this way.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
You're the come home, throw the bridge, sings on the
couch and grunt through disc And I've been hanging out
with Gary Brynet for ten years.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Gary's always doom and gloom and why this isn't gonna
work and we need to approve here. That's just a
out of character for a coach. That's what makes you
wonder about it. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Know all right. We appreciate Mark Johnson sitting in. We
will talk to you tomorrow. Thank you to Mark Springer Again.
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