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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A light on a story too often ignored, the ruthless
persecution of Christians across the globe while other struggles get
the spotlight. Thousands of Christians are being slaughtered and silenced,
from Nigeria's church massacres to India's prayer attacks, and it's
time we ask why this crisis is overlooked and why
it matters to all of us. We'll dive into what's
(00:21):
being done with an exclusive chat with the president of
International Christian Concern, who's on the front lines of this fight.
Then we're bringing in the Praying Citizen to break down
some scorching headlines and guide us on how to pray
through them. We're talking shocking revelations about MLK and more
the news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is Get Break with Christie Lee.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Starting with some good news.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Young men and gen Z are turning to Christianity in
a big way, with a Make America Faithful Again movement
gaining steam. It's like a spiritual revival. Experts say church
attendance is up, especially among gen Z guys, thanks to
a hunger for meaning. But while that's going on, we
need to feed these young men because We need to
give them the reality that when you become a Christian,
(01:27):
you need to be prepared to be persecuted. In fact,
the Scripture tells us that we will be persecuted, and
for some it is harder than others. Open Doors just
released it's twenty twenty five World Watch List preview showing
violence against Christians has spiked again, with over six two
hundred killings reported globally in the first half of twenty
(01:48):
twenty five. That's a jump from last year's total. Nigeria
remains a hot spot with four one hundred deaths linked
to Fulani and Boko Haram attacks since January, while India
saw three hundred church is damaged in June alone due
to Hindu extremist clashes. Right Scoop is reporting over forty
Christians were just recently brutally murdered in a Catholic church
(02:10):
and the Democratic Republic of Congo by Islamist rebels over
the weekend. That happened, like I said, just over the weekend,
local leaders saying the attack happened in the East, with
the Allied Democratic forces claiming responsibility and families just left mourning.
As this violence escalates here to discuss the persecution of
Christians is Jeff King. He's the president of International Christian
(02:31):
Concern since twenty twenty three and one of the world's
top experts on religious persecution.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So, Jeff, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Christy. It's a non or to be with you.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yes, this is a topic that is and dear to
my heart, I was definitely wasn't shielded from that Christians
get ruthfully persecuted. My mom was always a big fan
of Voice of the Martyrs. I'm sure you're familiar with
that organization. I would always ask her, why are you
reading such horrible things like torture of horrible things happening,
(03:03):
And she would because I would see her, she'd be
reading these stories and like crying, and she's like, I
look at it as a sacrifice like that that I'm
it's almost like an inneccessory prayer thing.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
She viewed it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
She felt like it was like something she needed to do.
And it really stuck with me, like we would had
these bracelets that said bound with them.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And it's a fascinating topic.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Also, because I come from my background is in traditional
news media.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Is to put it nicely, and this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is definitely something that was not ever covered. Really, mainstream
media seems obsessed with persecution, obsessed with you know, if
it bleeds, it leads, all that kind of stuff, except
for when it comes to Christians being persecuted.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But you being a yeah, but you being somebody that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is an expert on religious persecution in general, why is
it that this is a problem that is so easily ignored.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you know, as you know, Christy, you know, if
you survey journalists today and this is going back, you know,
fifty years, they're overwhelmingly liberal. So at best they're neutral
towards Christianity. A lot of them are hostile. So look,
it just gets buried. And so then what happens is
(04:28):
is better than what it used to be. But generally
what happens then is that the pastors uninforming the masses
of believers are uninformed. So that's the deal.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, it's really really sad.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And I know that your latest one of your latest
articles was what happened in particular Indonesia.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Can you tell me the details of that situation?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, I think I was going to hit on India.
So in India back on July thirteenth, Yeah, there was
an attack on church and radical Hindus came into the church
and beat up the the the people in the in
worshiping as well as the pastor Christy. Unfortunately, this is
it's almost not news. It just happens on and on
(05:14):
and on. Uh So the real headline is why why
does this keep going on? Why is the Prime Minister
of India silent on this as well as his political party?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, I mean that that is wild that they're they're
remaining silent on this. You know, we're in a situation
where we have an administration that I think posits that
it's that it's Christian friendly and that it is.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I mean, we hear Trump talk about how God.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Saved his life from a bullet things like that, But
is enough being done to to.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Elevate these concerns?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And you know, with a administration that is so America first,
does that mean that we leave these Christians out to
dry that are in these other countries?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, what are your insights there?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, you know, I've been in d C. Well, I
grew up in DC. I've been here all my life.
But you know, twenty years in advocacy and so something
you learn is that religious freedom is always going to
take a backseat to general you know, US interests. That
being said, President Trump has been a very faithful friend
to persecute Christians. We always wish more could be done,
(06:26):
but in the past he has will. He has been
willing to go out and name and shame, and that
is really the greatest tool we have is for the
US president to name and shame and just bring attention.
So even like the India situation we're talking about, they
are intensely interested in trade, in making money. So anything
that upsets that order of balance is going to get
(06:49):
attention real quick back home. So President Trump has called
out different leaders in the Oval Office, in the in
the gardens, in press, in press events. Very helpful, excellent.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I did see on your website, which I encourage people
to check out prosecution dot org something of a whin
you could say that a Pakistan court denied a Muslim
man custody of a Christian girl.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Can you tell me a little bit more about that story?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, boyle boy, this is a heartbreaker and Christy this
first of all, So what happens is if you're a
Christian girl, oftentimes what happens is you'll have a Muslim
suitors what you know around you, saying you're too pretty
to be a Christian, you need to be my wife.
And if she refuses, which is often the case, what
happens is she could be kidnapped. So she's kidnapped, she's drugged,
(07:46):
she's forcibly married in quotes, she's raped repeatedly, and then
she's you know, you think of a very fundamental society.
She is ruined socially, and so at that point they
kind of give up. And the police are involved too,
so they will help the kidnappers keep the girls. And
(08:06):
so the daughter is gone, she's gone for life, all
of a sudden poof. And this is including when the
parents know who kidnapped. So back to the case. That's
the broad picture. Back to the case you're mentioning. This
is where we're really seeing the courts in Pakistan step
up for the first time, not necessarily for some but
very rarely has this happened when the court said no,
(08:29):
this girl must be returned to her parents. So that's
basically what's going on. On the one hand, super encouraging
that we see the Pakistani courts doing this, but a
daylight a dollar short, and we need to see a
whole bunch more.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, I mean we're kind of focusing on global obviously
when we're talking about Indiana. Just in the live show
here on Lendell TV DC Dispatch that I have daily,
we were talking about a case of parents that were
being held accountable for plotting to kill their daughter because
(09:05):
they were trying to bring her to Iraq against her will.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
To Mary.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So, I mean, this is really infiltrated America. And I mean,
even with Trump's efforts to deep bore and everything, like,
there's already like it almost a point of no return
on some of these things, like with the infiltration that
has happened in our country.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
You know, it's such a complicated subject. So first of all,
I couldn't argue too much of what's happened with the
inundation of Muslims and the majority of Muslims. I would say,
if you pull them in the US, they tend to
be much more mainstream than elsewhere in the world. And
yet we have our huge share of radicalized Muslims. Almost
(09:51):
all the mosques in America have been built with Saudi
funds or goalf funds, and these are you know, these
are absolutely fundaments. I know that's the most radical moms
out there, and so they're going to have more and
more influence over time. I mean, we've seen these kinds
of honor killings. The only thing I get I'd like
to get across to Christians I know you'll get this
(10:14):
is is that the Lord brought these here. So oftentimes
they can't be reached in their own country, but the
Lord brought them here where they can be reached with
the Gospel, and they're very hospitable people. So I always
urge people reach out. What changes the heart, it's the
love of Christ. When we encounter it, it breaks us.
And that's no different especially in fact, it works especially
(10:36):
well with Muslim believers. All they know is a God
of law and of justice, a very harsh, stern God.
When they encounter Jesus and they see his people reaching
out love, they're very susceptible to the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I do find that to be the case, and you
wouldn't necessarily think so. I think there's a lot of
Christians that would be almost afraid to share the Gospel
with Muslims. But Mean says you were talking. I happened
to recall a circumstance way back when when I was
in community college, and this was just after the nine
(11:11):
to eleven attacks, and so anybody that even looked Middle
Eastern was definitely like being looked at a certain way,
like they were having a lot of hostility. So I
had a young gentleman in one of my classes, and
I was able to just talk and he was kind
(11:32):
of able to like vent out. I guess if you will,
like that he was afraid because everyone was looking a
certain kind of ways. This had just happened, and I
was able to share the gospel with him. To this day,
I don't know if it's a seed that.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Grew or you see that it was planned, but I found.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Him to be receptive because I was just kind and
unassuming and loving. And that was at a time when
they they were not getting that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Let's face it, everyone was like, We're like, we need
to go to the Middle East and abolish these people.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Are driving mombs.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah exactly, that was the sentiment.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, and it still is really with a lot of people.
And it's a misunderstanding really of what nation we belong
to first, right, we belong first to the Nation of God.
And so another way to look at this is that Muslims,
you know, they're followers of a religion that's Islam, but
the Muslim is the person. And Islam was created as
(12:33):
a giant jail spiritually, okay, that's and those people are
locked up. The Lord longs to freedom. Oh my gosh,
his heart bleeds for these people, and he's bringing the
Gospel to them. More Muslims have come to Christ in
the last thirty years than in all of history combined previously.
It's unbelievable what's going on in Iran. Islam is largely
(12:55):
dead in Iran, and guess where the fastest growing church
in the world is Iran.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, yeah, almost unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I mean, and I think another point to reach them,
I mean is just this whole concept of grace, Like
Islam lacks the fundamental of Christianity, which is this loving grace.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And I kind of have new eyes on that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
My husband was raised Mormon and he still struggles, like
with the religion of Mormon that it really lacks grace
and he still has like I feel like, trauma of
just not being able to fully accept that he has grace.
And so it just it's been eye opening that so
many of these other religions lack that that concept of grace,
(13:46):
and so if we can show them that and and
share what it means to have grace, like it would
just be so compelling. Now again, it's so shocking to
me that that Christianity would be so fast growing and
Iran because you would think, like, gosh, I would never
I'd be scared to go there. And it's kind of
like one of those those things. But that being said,
(14:06):
where is where is it to be? I guess where
is it most dangerous to be a Christian right now?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think we think of places like China, But like
as I mentioned earlier in Nigeria, where is it the
persecution of Christians most ramped up right now?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Well, you know there's two places I always point to,
and North Korea is the one. And so people I
think have a general idea oh my gosh, Yes, that's
a terrible place, and it's it's really hard to understand.
It's such a foreign, foreign, Satanic place. I'll never forget.
I've interviewed so many defectors from North Korea and I
just will always remember this one man, and he was
(14:46):
a government loyalist, and you know, so a staunch communist
until he ran a foul and came under suspicion for
no reason, and then he was locked up and horribly tortured.
And he said to this day that when he he
goes to sleep, he has to have headphones on with
loud blaring music to keep the demons at bay. And
(15:07):
that man was not a Christian, And I asked him,
I said, what has kept you from coming to christ?
But you can imagine in that case where your whole
worldview is fake. And so for him to embrace christian
it's often very hard because everything they were taught turned
out to be a lie. So they tend to be
very cautious. But North Korea absolutely terrible place. But at
(15:29):
the same time, I think Nigeria is the center killing
ground for Christians and christian as you know, in the
last twenty years, probably almost one hundred thousand Christians have
been killed, three and a half million Christian farmers have
had their lands taken. And you'll never believe what's going on.
It's like year after year the government there can't seem
(15:52):
to arrest anybody, They don't chase the attackers. They continually
come to Washington and say our dear friends and Washington.
This is such a terrible thing. But it's a bush war.
We can't it's gorilla fighting. We can't figure out how
to stop this. Could you give us money for arms
to fight this? And then we just gave them a
billion dollars. Now here's the inside scoop. Imagine in our
(16:14):
country if you know, I'm trying to think, let's say
five hundred thousand Christians have been murdered in the last
twenty years, and the government says, we can't figure out
how to do anything. It's so complicated, it doesn't work.
When it goes off for twenty years, the fix is
in and we all understand the deep state now, right,
So this is an Islamic radicalized Islamic deep state that's
(16:35):
really running the show in Nigeria. And so it's a
stealth gehod and it's a slow mogenocide. That's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's really really sad, but it gives us something specific
to pray for there.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I did notice also on your.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Website persecution dot Org, that there is a new bill
that is drawing attention to this condemning christiancution, particularly in
Muslim majority nations. Now the obvious question is like, Okay,
what does this bill do? Like how how can this
bill actually help protect Christians?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I think it falls into that category we talked
about before where it's the name and shame and to
come out and it's it's really reaction to to two
decades of stupidity, where it's not complete stupidity. Well, basically
what happens like over the last twenty years, no one,
no one can say Islam, radicalized Islam is evil for
(17:34):
some reason, and you know, it comes it kind of
gets blurred over the lines of you know, our racial
politics over the over the years and our misteps. But
so this is basically trying to write that to say, hey,
wait a minute, radical Islam is extremely destructive, extremely dangerous,
and we're seeing the rise of anti Semitism here. So
(17:58):
it's a it's a backlash with the those two things
with anti Semitism and just the desire to start speaking
plainly and to say to name and shame and to
call out the perpetrators.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It does seem like that narrative of anti Semitism, which
we have seen, It does seem like that gets a
lot more attention though than the plative of Christians again,
is there some kind of special interest involved that we
hear more about, say that particular a group as opposed
to Christians who've been relentlessly persecuted for many, many years.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Wow, what a complicated but fascinating subject. So I'd say, well,
there's any number of things. But first of all, look
at what the Jews went through the level of persecution
and so there's very much a never again mentality, and
you know where they could be wiped out entirely. So
they're extreme, they're hyper vigilant, and Jews are very political aware,
they're very educated and so and at the same time,
(18:59):
we give Israel, you know, multi billion dollars per year
in aid, and a lot of that aid comes right
back to influence legislators. So that's tied in. I think
it's it's warranted to be hyper vigilant on anti Semitism,
but that's kind of part of the background of it.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So part of the point of having you on today
was to make sure that this continues to be the
attention is given, that we're aware of what Christians are
going through and suffering around the globe.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
But what's the next step.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Obviously prayer, we need to consciously pray and intercess for
our fellow brothers and sisters across around the world.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Is there anything else we can do as believers?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I love that question. And I was thinking about your
mother and you were telling that wonderful story. Oh my gosh,
and I was smiling because I thought you were going
to in a certain direction. This is what I hear
all the time. And I'll bet your mother would have
said this, or would say this to this day. And
I'd say, people get hooked on the persecuted church. And
there's a reason for that. There's a reason your mother
did it. Because what you're seeing, if you boil it down,
(20:14):
what you're seeing is biblical Christianity. It's the Book of Acts,
and it's still going on. And so what you know,
the the martyrs, the persecuted are whispering to us all
the time, and Christianity in our own country is very off.
What we're experiencing is really weak Christianity, and they are
calling to us. They're whispering to us and saying, here
(20:37):
is the way to orient your life so that God
is at the center. That's where I start. I say,
first of all, follow So if you're not reading our
magazine at persecution dot org, you know, read another newsletter,
so you start to you start to understand and start
to hear. Because we're all so busy, anything I say
isn't going to make a difference. So I say, first
of all, learn understand and start let the Lord disciple
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you through these believers, and then everything else falls into place.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I love that, and I mean, I think it's just
so important because I mean I started this whole segment
with the I guess celebration that more people are coming
back to church, but that is so surface level unless
we feed them. You know, there's become this obsession with
like bringing people to the Lord and all that that's
(21:26):
well and good, you know, the rise of megachurches and
everything like welcome everyone, and yeah, that's that's great, But
we are feeling people if then we don't feed them,
and we also don't prepare them for the reality of
biblical Christianity, which means it's not necessarily going to be
abundance or all rainbows and butterflies you feel good.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Feel good to be a Christian, and we do need
to prepare people for that, particularly as we know that
many of us have been through a low level persecution,
having been through the pandemic, and trying to fight for
our freedoms, freedoms to even meet in church, and so
we just need to be prepared for anything that can
come down the pike. And also see that that it's
(22:12):
happening right now, that there's there's intense persecution. Just because
it's not happening in your backguard doesn't mean it's not happening.
And I love how you frame that, Like, the more
that we read about what's going on, I mean that
can minister to our souls and inspire us and and yes,
just be so much more effective.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So yeah again again Jeff King, International Christian Crisis A
President and Persecution dot org. So we can continue to
read from persecution dot org. And then is there anything
else that we should know or do?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Uh, there's so much more. Like I said, I'd say,
start by getting the magazine to start reading about your
brothers and sisters, and from there, you know, when attacks happen,
then you can then you know, you can be clued
in to call your legislator. And that's the big thing.
But the first thing I think we need as believers
in this countries. Our hearts need to be revived. We
need to fall back in love with the Lord. That's
(23:09):
what the persecuted church is teaching us.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. Thank you so much, Jeff,
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Keep us in the loop because I would love to
be a part of keeping this in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Absolutely love you to come again.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Thanks. All right.
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It has been a passion of mine to always keep
God at the center of delivering this news that you
need to know. And thankfully I met Lori Cawley. She's
of the Prank Citizen and she has also a passion
for covering news headlines from a biblical worldview. She does
a great job running a substack. Her and her husband Bob.
They keep the Prank Citizen newsletter up to date so
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that we can sort of the noise and nonsense and
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Speaker 3 (30:44):
So welcome back, Laurie, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Thank you, it's good to be with you. Boy. I
really sweated this one out. I thought about all of
us who have always He's had a special place in
our heart for Martin Luther King Junior and what he
would he tried to do to bring up the minorities
(31:10):
in this country and help them. And boy did we
get a surprise at least I did last week with
the release of those files. So I wanted to update
everybody on that, because, let's face it, I don't know
how you Christy keep up with things because there's so
much flying around. It's like you just it's like you're
grabbing things out of the air trying to, you know,
(31:32):
make sense of things. So I, you know, last week
was just busy as they as every day is in
the Trump administration. So we have that those files that
were fully released, two hundred and forty thousand pages were
released last week. But I also wanted to bring your
viewers up to date on some of these you know,
(31:53):
weird things, these assassination attempts or actual successful assassination of
people in the political sphere. So I thought we would
start with would be assess and Ryan Ruth. Now he's
a guy that was hiding out at the golf course
last fall before the election and he wanted to take
(32:14):
out Donald Trump. So he tried to purchase a military
rocketer and RPG from Ukraine because he was really pro Ukraine,
and he told he wrote that Trump is not good
for Ukraine, So got to take that guy out and
then he signaled his intent of murder by saying he
needed equipment. So Trump doesn't become president, right, so we
(32:34):
know that he is. He was caught before something terrible happened,
and he faces trial in September. Well, what's interesting, you know,
you look at the connections, you look at people's backgrounds,
and you see a disaster, and a lot of the
disaster that I see is in the sexual area because
(32:55):
I kind of keep my eye on what's happening with
our culture in that aspect. And so there's more to
the story because he has a son who's a convicted pervert,
and you know, it's just stuff travels through generations, like
the Bible tells us, you know, third and fourth generation
(33:15):
of those who hate God. So his son Oren was
arrested last week and sentenced to eighty four months in
jail for possession of child porn. Now, during the hearing,
the judge noted that because of his involvement in a
pro child abuse web channel, so this would be a
place where these despicable people go to share stories, share techniques,
(33:43):
post just the worst. You know, possible images. Well that's
where they go to swap stories and stuff. So he
was part of this website. And you know, of course
there's a split family in this. His parents were married
until he was I think thirteen or twelve or thirteen.
Then he lived with his mother, Laura, and then when
(34:05):
he was fifteen, he refused to go to church with her,
so she kicked him out of the house. He went
to live with his dad, and then according to the
court filings, his dad kicked him down the stairs and
then he left his dad's house and then mom describes
dad as being a sex addict. So I mean, it's
just like, oh my gosh, So who knows what's in
(34:27):
this guy's background and what they're going to find out
and what else might come out in that trial in September.
So he was the son was investigated in twenty twenty three,
but they didn't fill up on any of it. They started,
you know, finding stuff on orin, but until his dad
tried to assassinate President Trump, they didn't do anything. So
(34:49):
that's kind of you know, I suppose if you're in
law enforcement, you go with the stuff that's critical, and
maybe they didn't consider him to be a critical.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Threat anyway, you know, Laurie, I mean, I can't help
but think of the whole Biblical element of you know,
eyes being the window to the soul when you look
at these pictures, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So often these these bug guys.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You know, I joke yesterday Kristen Welker had those bug
eyes when she was growing Lindsey Graham and trying to
defend the Russia lie.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And then that picture of Orin, like, man, it's so creepy.
He's just kind of like bug guy, bug guyed cot
Guide right there. Yeah, It's just it's a it's a
creepy picture.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
It's a creepy and and like you said, and this
is we've been seeing that. I mean, think about Charles Manson,
you know, just throughout history of these people when we've
had photos available. Okay, So, and then let's move on
to the shooter in Minnesota, Vance Belter and I you
and I talked about him recently. So he was an
evangelical missionary, very pro life, but he shot and killed
(35:57):
a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband. And then before he
shot her and killed her, he had tried to kill
another Minnesota lawmaker and his wife and their daughter was
in the room and anyway, they survived, thank god. So
recently and again, this stuff just kind of goes by
because we are all so busy.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah that we keep up with that recycle. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
So he sent a letter or he had a letter
in his car written to FBI Director Cash Bettel, and
then they published it, and in it he confessed to
the killings. It predicted he'd soon be dead. So then
he says he's been trained since college by US military people,
and he was serving on projects in all over the world.
(36:41):
And then he said that his stuff that he did,
shooting these people was all in the line of doing
what I thought was write and best for the interests
of the United States. Well, in this letter that you're
showing right there, he says that, and you can see
there's many lines in here. I don't know what the
deal is. The guy is a PhD in education or
I think leadership, So who knows, you know, I guess
(37:03):
it's like written on toilet paper his PhD. But he
writes in here that Tim Walls, and the governor of Minnesota,
wants to be a senator and he doesn't trust blank
and Blank to retire as plan, and that she is
planning to stay at the last minute. With Amy plus
Blank gone, then Governor Wallace would get one of the
(37:24):
open Senate seats and wants to be governor. And then
Keith Ellison, who's the Minnesota Attorney General, would be rewarded
with a generous position. So he's wanting He says Tim Wallas,
the governor, was trying to hire him to kill Amy Klobuchar,
who's a Senator, and Tina Smith, right, so I mean what?
(37:47):
And then he says he responded to Walls saying he
wanted nothing to do with it, calling the plan off,
or called the plan off, or I will go public.
So he described the killing, saying he was able to
get away by God's mercy and went back a short
time later and shot at both Blank and blank. He
doesn't explain why he's shooting at people that even weren't
(38:11):
even mentioned by supposedly mentioned by Governor Walls. I mean
what state lawmakers? He doesn't want their position. These people
are in the State House of Minnesota. So then he
notes that he didn't fire at police, but he could have.
He could have had every opportunity, And then he invites
Patel to call Tim Walls and verify all of this,
and he says Wall supported him, which is true, and
(38:33):
placed him on the Governor's Workforce board. That Walls kept
the initial reports about the shots fired from the press,
which I think it did took a while for that
information to come out, which who knows, you know, is
maybe that's true. It's probably a mix of truth and lies.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And then he says he knows almost seems like an
MK Ultra case gone wrong. It's like they tried to
program this guy to be the life trumper that you know,
but it didn't work out because he was already obviously
publicly connected to Tim Walls, and maybe he wasn't fully
programmed because he was able to reveal some weirdness with
(39:12):
Tim Walls and the plan that got misconstrued and is.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Broken MK Ultra brain or something.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's like, you have to think of these wild explanations
because none of it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
None of it does. And it's the brainwashing, right, it's
and we talked about that the last time. It's just
how these the MK Ultra is the brainwashing program and
it works. And there's net there's a Netflix documentary on
the unibomber, who was MK ultra at I believe at Harvard.
(39:42):
So I think people are starting to understand this stuff
isn't made up, it's real. Now we get to MLK
Junior and here's you know this, this one is really
sad and I okay, So you bring bring out the
truth and there are going to be people who say
it's lies. You're just trying to smear this wonderful person.
(40:05):
All right, So we can all be the judge of
what is in these files. So they were released from
and they're available in the government archives. These are memos
and summaries. Now, the summaries are tight, and then like
we used to do back in the day, you would
write corrections in the margins or you know, make so
(40:26):
that's what we basically have, like a rough draft before
I guess the final draft was printed. And then there
are also some newspaper articles. So again two hundred and
forty thousand pages. Now when I went to the website,
there were maybe two hundred and thirty pages. So I'm
not really sure where all the rest of it is.
But back in January, President Trump signed an executive order
(40:50):
to release all this stuff. And then in twenty twenty seven,
we're supposed to have the audio recordings of the wire
taps that they did on King's phone. All right, So
the media claims that there are no bombshells in these
Martin Luther King Junior files, and then the AP, you know,
always a stalwart of telling the truth, adds that Trump
(41:11):
pushed the files out now because it deflects from Jeffrey Epstein,
you know whatever. I mean, he signed the thing back
and I don't know whatever. That's the AP. So the
King children tried to block the release, but Alvida King,
who's Mlka's niece, she thanked President Trump. She's a strong
(41:32):
Trump supporter. So there are two main things we should
know about mister King. He was not a Christian in
any way, shape or form, either by the content of
his preaching or the content of his character. And number two,
he was a Communist who wanted to bring Soviet style
government into the United States, using the issues of racism
(41:55):
and civil rights as a way to bring that stuff in.
The FBI spied on him because of his Communist party affiliations,
and the one who signed that approval was Attorney General
Robert F. Kennedy. He kind of went back and forth,
and he finally approved on surveilling him from November of
(42:15):
sixty three to April sixty five, and because of the
surveillance on his communist activities, they caught up all this
information about his moral character. Now, I don't know if
you had heard this. I heard years ago that he
had a problem with women, and you know he was
always cheating on his wife. Well, you know, that's just
(42:38):
a tip of the iceberg. He was a consummate hypocrite,
He was a bragger, he had a foul mouth. He
was a sexual pervert, and he relished punishing women who
wouldn't perform quote, unnatural sex acts. And so we have
a page there. So he's the agent is writing a summary,
(43:00):
and he says, on one occasion Maryland, Maryland minister brought
to Washington several women parishioners of his church. The group
met in his room and discussed which women among the
parishioners would be suitable for natural or unnatural sex acts.
When one of the women protested that she did not
approve of this unnatural acts, the Baptist minister immediately and
(43:26):
forcibly raped her. King looked on, laughed, and offered advice. Now,
can you imagine a pastor taking his women parishioners. I mean,
first of all, what husband would let his anyway let
his wife go, you know, just just horrible.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
You know obviously, Laurie that like, these allegations are going
to be hardheld to swallow for some because there's great
reverence from MLKA, especially because he has been sold to
us as a Christian and you know, so this, this
one's tricky. I mean, the opposite side would be like, well,
why would you trust these documents, Like these agencies have
(44:06):
always been corrupt. Maybe they were just trying to take
him out because he was a good person. So it
can get tricky at times to make sense of all
of this.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
I agree, I agree. And if I hadn't read the
stuff myself and seeing the repert you know, who's going
to know that all this went on. Well, they interviewed
the prostitutes that were also hired you to be part
of this stuff, and there's just page after page after page,
and I suppose it could all be made up. But
(44:35):
the fact, Okay, so even if we take all of
that out, he still was a communist because you go
down to he founded something called the Southern Christian Leadership
Council that came after the march in Montgomery or Selma, Alabama,
(44:57):
or before, sorry, but it came out of his activities
in Alabama. So in nineteen fifty seven he found this
Southern Christian Leadership Council and their headquarters were in Atlanta,
and they used civil descent such as boycotts and marches
to protest segregation. Most of the leaders were ministers who
believed that descent should begin a church. So who did
(45:19):
he hire as the treasurer of this August group? None
other than Stanley Levison, who was a communist Jew. Does
that even make sense?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, no, it doesn't.
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I really want to encourage people to check out your
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Great honorable mission and what we should be doing when
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Speaker 3 (45:51):
So thank you so much, LORI.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Thank you Christy.
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A light on a story too often ignored, the ruthless
persecution of Christians across the globe while other struggles get
the spotlight. Thousands of Christians are being slaughtered and silenced,
from Nigeria's church massacres to India's prayer attacks, and it's
time we ask why this crisis is overlooked and why
it matters to all of us. We'll dive into what's
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being done with an exclusive chat with the president of
International Christian Concern, who's on the front lines of this fight.
Then we're bringing in the Praying Citizen to break down
some scorching headlines and guide us on how to pray
through them. We're talking shocking revelations about MLK and more
the news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is Get Break with Christie Lee.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Starting with some good news.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Young men and gen Z are turning to Christianity in
a big way, with a Make America Faithful Again movement
gaining steam. It's like a spiritual revival. Experts say church
attendance is up, especially among gen Z guys, thanks to
a hunger for meaning. But while that's going on, we
need to feed these young men because We need to
give them the reality that when you become a Christian,
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you need to be prepared to be persecuted. In fact,
the Scripture tells us that we will be persecuted, and
for some it is harder than others. Open Doors just
released it's twenty twenty five World Watch List preview showing
violence against Christians has spiked again, with over six two
hundred killings reported globally in the first half of twenty
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twenty five. That's a jump from last year's total. Nigeria
remains a hot spot with four one hundred deaths linked
to Fulani and Boko Haram attacks since January, while India
saw three hundred church is damaged in June alone due
to Hindu extremist clashes. Right Scoop is reporting over forty
Christians were just recently brutally murdered in a Catholic church
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and the Democratic Republic of Congo by Islamist rebels over
the weekend. That happened, like I said, just over the weekend,
local leaders saying the attack happened in the East, with
the Allied Democratic forces claiming responsibility and families just left mourning.
As this violence escalates here to discuss the persecution of
Christians is Jeff King. He's the president of International Christian
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Concern since twenty twenty three and one of the world's
top experts on religious persecution.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So, Jeff, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Christy. It's a non or to be with you.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yes, this is a topic that is and dear to
my heart, I was definitely wasn't shielded from that Christians
get ruthfully persecuted. My mom was always a big fan
of Voice of the Martyrs. I'm sure you're familiar with
that organization. I would always ask her, why are you
reading such horrible things like torture of horrible things happening,
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And she would because I would see her, she'd be
reading these stories and like crying, and she's like, I
look at it as a sacrifice like that that I'm
it's almost like an inneccessory prayer thing.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
She viewed it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
She felt like it was like something she needed to do.
And it really stuck with me, like we would had
these bracelets that said bound with them.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And it's a fascinating topic.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Also, because I come from my background is in traditional
news media.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Is to put it nicely, and this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is definitely something that was not ever covered. Really, mainstream
media seems obsessed with persecution, obsessed with you know, if
it bleeds, it leads, all that kind of stuff, except
for when it comes to Christians being persecuted.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But you being a yeah, but you being somebody that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is an expert on religious persecution in general, why is
it that this is a problem that is so easily ignored.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you know, as you know, Christy, you know, if
you survey journalists today and this is going back, you know,
fifty years, they're overwhelmingly liberal. So at best they're neutral
towards Christianity. A lot of them are hostile. So look,
it just gets buried. And so then what happens is
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is better than what it used to be. But generally
what happens then is that the pastors uninforming the masses
of believers are uninformed. So that's the deal.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, it's really really sad.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And I know that your latest one of your latest
articles was what happened in particular Indonesia.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Can you tell me the details of that situation?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, I think I was going to hit on India.
So in India back on July thirteenth, Yeah, there was
an attack on church and radical Hindus came into the church
and beat up the the the people in the in
worshiping as well as the pastor Christy. Unfortunately, this is
it's almost not news. It just happens on and on
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and on. Uh So the real headline is why why
does this keep going on? Why is the Prime Minister
of India silent on this as well as his political party?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, I mean that that is wild that they're they're
remaining silent on this. You know, we're in a situation
where we have an administration that I think posits that
it's that it's Christian friendly and that it is.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I mean, we hear Trump talk about how God.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Saved his life from a bullet things like that, But
is enough being done to to.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Elevate these concerns?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And you know, with a administration that is so America first,
does that mean that we leave these Christians out to
dry that are in these other countries?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, what are your insights there?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, you know, I've been in d C. Well, I
grew up in DC. I've been here all my life.
But you know, twenty years in advocacy and so something
you learn is that religious freedom is always going to
take a backseat to general you know, US interests. That
being said, President Trump has been a very faithful friend
to persecute Christians. We always wish more could be done,
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but in the past he has will. He has been
willing to go out and name and shame, and that
is really the greatest tool we have is for the
US president to name and shame and just bring attention.
So even like the India situation we're talking about, they
are intensely interested in trade, in making money. So anything
that upsets that order of balance is going to get
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attention real quick back home. So President Trump has called
out different leaders in the Oval Office, in the in
the gardens, in press, in press events. Very helpful, excellent.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I did see on your website, which I encourage people
to check out prosecution dot org something of a whin
you could say that a Pakistan court denied a Muslim
man custody of a Christian girl.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Can you tell me a little bit more about that story?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, boyle boy, this is a heartbreaker and Christy this
first of all, So what happens is if you're a
Christian girl, oftentimes what happens is you'll have a Muslim
suitors what you know around you, saying you're too pretty
to be a Christian, you need to be my wife.
And if she refuses, which is often the case, what
happens is she could be kidnapped. So she's kidnapped, she's drugged,
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she's forcibly married in quotes, she's raped repeatedly, and then
she's you know, you think of a very fundamental society.
She is ruined socially, and so at that point they
kind of give up. And the police are involved too,
so they will help the kidnappers keep the girls. And
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so the daughter is gone, she's gone for life, all
of a sudden poof. And this is including when the
parents know who kidnapped. So back to the case. That's
the broad picture. Back to the case you're mentioning. This
is where we're really seeing the courts in Pakistan step
up for the first time, not necessarily for some but
very rarely has this happened when the court said no,
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this girl must be returned to her parents. So that's
basically what's going on. On the one hand, super encouraging
that we see the Pakistani courts doing this, but a
daylight a dollar short, and we need to see a
whole bunch more.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, I mean we're kind of focusing on global obviously
when we're talking about Indiana. Just in the live show
here on Lendell TV DC Dispatch that I have daily,
we were talking about a case of parents that were
being held accountable for plotting to kill their daughter because
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they were trying to bring her to Iraq against her will.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
To Mary.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So, I mean, this is really infiltrated America. And I mean,
even with Trump's efforts to deep bore and everything, like,
there's already like it almost a point of no return
on some of these things, like with the infiltration that
has happened in our country.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
You know, it's such a complicated subject. So first of all,
I couldn't argue too much of what's happened with the
inundation of Muslims and the majority of Muslims. I would say,
if you pull them in the US, they tend to
be much more mainstream than elsewhere in the world. And
yet we have our huge share of radicalized Muslims. Almost
(09:51):
all the mosques in America have been built with Saudi
funds or goalf funds, and these are you know, these
are absolutely fundaments. I know that's the most radical moms
out there, and so they're going to have more and
more influence over time. I mean, we've seen these kinds
of honor killings. The only thing I get I'd like
to get across to Christians I know you'll get this
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is is that the Lord brought these here. So oftentimes
they can't be reached in their own country, but the
Lord brought them here where they can be reached with
the Gospel, and they're very hospitable people. So I always
urge people reach out. What changes the heart, it's the
love of Christ. When we encounter it, it breaks us.
And that's no different especially in fact, it works especially
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well with Muslim believers. All they know is a God
of law and of justice, a very harsh, stern God.
When they encounter Jesus and they see his people reaching
out love, they're very susceptible to the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I do find that to be the case, and you
wouldn't necessarily think so. I think there's a lot of
Christians that would be almost afraid to share the Gospel
with Muslims. But Mean says you were talking. I happened
to recall a circumstance way back when when I was
in community college, and this was just after the nine
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to eleven attacks, and so anybody that even looked Middle
Eastern was definitely like being looked at a certain way,
like they were having a lot of hostility. So I
had a young gentleman in one of my classes, and
I was able to just talk and he was kind
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of able to like vent out. I guess if you will,
like that he was afraid because everyone was looking a
certain kind of ways. This had just happened, and I
was able to share the gospel with him. To this day,
I don't know if it's a seed that.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Grew or you see that it was planned, but I found.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Him to be receptive because I was just kind and
unassuming and loving. And that was at a time when
they they were not getting that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Let's face it, everyone was like, We're like, we need
to go to the Middle East and abolish these people.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Are driving mombs.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah exactly, that was the sentiment.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, and it still is really with a lot of people.
And it's a misunderstanding really of what nation we belong
to first, right, we belong first to the Nation of God.
And so another way to look at this is that Muslims,
you know, they're followers of a religion that's Islam, but
the Muslim is the person. And Islam was created as
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a giant jail spiritually, okay, that's and those people are
locked up. The Lord longs to freedom. Oh my gosh,
his heart bleeds for these people, and he's bringing the
Gospel to them. More Muslims have come to Christ in
the last thirty years than in all of history combined previously.
It's unbelievable what's going on in Iran. Islam is largely
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dead in Iran, and guess where the fastest growing church
in the world is Iran.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, yeah, almost unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I mean, and I think another point to reach them,
I mean is just this whole concept of grace, Like
Islam lacks the fundamental of Christianity, which is this loving grace.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And I kind of have new eyes on that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
My husband was raised Mormon and he still struggles, like
with the religion of Mormon that it really lacks grace
and he still has like I feel like, trauma of
just not being able to fully accept that he has grace.
And so it just it's been eye opening that so
many of these other religions lack that that concept of grace,
(13:46):
and so if we can show them that and and
share what it means to have grace, like it would
just be so compelling. Now again, it's so shocking to
me that that Christianity would be so fast growing and
Iran because you would think, like, gosh, I would never
I'd be scared to go there. And it's kind of
like one of those those things. But that being said,
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where is where is it to be? I guess where
is it most dangerous to be a Christian right now?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think we think of places like China, But like
as I mentioned earlier in Nigeria, where is it the
persecution of Christians most ramped up right now?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Well, you know there's two places I always point to,
and North Korea is the one. And so people I
think have a general idea oh my gosh, Yes, that's
a terrible place, and it's it's really hard to understand.
It's such a foreign, foreign, Satanic place. I'll never forget.
I've interviewed so many defectors from North Korea and I
just will always remember this one man, and he was
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a government loyalist, and you know, so a staunch communist
until he ran a foul and came under suspicion for
no reason, and then he was locked up and horribly tortured.
And he said to this day that when he he
goes to sleep, he has to have headphones on with
loud blaring music to keep the demons at bay. And
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that man was not a Christian, And I asked him,
I said, what has kept you from coming to christ?
But you can imagine in that case where your whole
worldview is fake. And so for him to embrace christian
it's often very hard because everything they were taught turned
out to be a lie. So they tend to be
very cautious. But North Korea absolutely terrible place. But at
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the same time, I think Nigeria is the center killing
ground for Christians and christian as you know, in the
last twenty years, probably almost one hundred thousand Christians have
been killed, three and a half million Christian farmers have
had their lands taken. And you'll never believe what's going on.
It's like year after year the government there can't seem
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to arrest anybody, They don't chase the attackers. They continually
come to Washington and say our dear friends and Washington.
This is such a terrible thing. But it's a bush war.
We can't it's gorilla fighting. We can't figure out how
to stop this. Could you give us money for arms
to fight this? And then we just gave them a
billion dollars. Now here's the inside scoop. Imagine in our
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country if you know, I'm trying to think, let's say
five hundred thousand Christians have been murdered in the last
twenty years, and the government says, we can't figure out
how to do anything. It's so complicated, it doesn't work.
When it goes off for twenty years, the fix is
in and we all understand the deep state now, right,
So this is an Islamic radicalized Islamic deep state that's
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really running the show in Nigeria. And so it's a
stealth gehod and it's a slow mogenocide. That's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's really really sad, but it gives us something specific
to pray for there.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I did notice also on your.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Website persecution dot Org, that there is a new bill
that is drawing attention to this condemning christiancution, particularly in
Muslim majority nations. Now the obvious question is like, Okay,
what does this bill do? Like how how can this
bill actually help protect Christians?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I think it falls into that category we talked
about before where it's the name and shame and to
come out and it's it's really reaction to to two
decades of stupidity, where it's not complete stupidity. Well, basically
what happens like over the last twenty years, no one,
no one can say Islam, radicalized Islam is evil for
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some reason, and you know, it comes it kind of
gets blurred over the lines of you know, our racial
politics over the over the years and our misteps. But
so this is basically trying to write that to say, hey,
wait a minute, radical Islam is extremely destructive, extremely dangerous,
and we're seeing the rise of anti Semitism here. So
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it's a it's a backlash with the those two things
with anti Semitism and just the desire to start speaking
plainly and to say to name and shame and to
call out the perpetrators.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It does seem like that narrative of anti Semitism, which
we have seen, It does seem like that gets a
lot more attention though than the plative of Christians again,
is there some kind of special interest involved that we
hear more about, say that particular a group as opposed
to Christians who've been relentlessly persecuted for many, many years.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Wow, what a complicated but fascinating subject. So I'd say, well,
there's any number of things. But first of all, look
at what the Jews went through the level of persecution
and so there's very much a never again mentality, and
you know where they could be wiped out entirely. So
they're extreme, they're hyper vigilant, and Jews are very political aware,
they're very educated and so and at the same time,
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we give Israel, you know, multi billion dollars per year
in aid, and a lot of that aid comes right
back to influence legislators. So that's tied in. I think
it's it's warranted to be hyper vigilant on anti Semitism,
but that's kind of part of the background of it.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So part of the point of having you on today
was to make sure that this continues to be the
attention is given, that we're aware of what Christians are
going through and suffering around the globe.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
But what's the next step.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Obviously prayer, we need to consciously pray and intercess for
our fellow brothers and sisters across around the world.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Is there anything else we can do as believers?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I love that question. And I was thinking about your
mother and you were telling that wonderful story. Oh my gosh,
and I was smiling because I thought you were going
to in a certain direction. This is what I hear
all the time. And I'll bet your mother would have
said this, or would say this to this day. And
I'd say, people get hooked on the persecuted church. And
there's a reason for that. There's a reason your mother
did it. Because what you're seeing, if you boil it down,
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what you're seeing is biblical Christianity. It's the Book of Acts,
and it's still going on. And so what you know,
the the martyrs, the persecuted are whispering to us all
the time, and Christianity in our own country is very off.
What we're experiencing is really weak Christianity, and they are
calling to us. They're whispering to us and saying, here
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is the way to orient your life so that God
is at the center. That's where I start. I say,
first of all, follow So if you're not reading our
magazine at persecution dot org, you know, read another newsletter,
so you start to you start to understand and start
to hear. Because we're all so busy, anything I say
isn't going to make a difference. So I say, first
of all, learn understand and start let the Lord disciple
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you through these believers, and then everything else falls into place.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I love that, and I mean, I think it's just
so important because I mean I started this whole segment
with the I guess celebration that more people are coming
back to church, but that is so surface level unless
we feed them. You know, there's become this obsession with
like bringing people to the Lord and all that that's
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well and good, you know, the rise of megachurches and
everything like welcome everyone, and yeah, that's that's great, But
we are feeling people if then we don't feed them,
and we also don't prepare them for the reality of
biblical Christianity, which means it's not necessarily going to be
abundance or all rainbows and butterflies you feel good.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Feel good to be a Christian, and we do need
to prepare people for that, particularly as we know that
many of us have been through a low level persecution,
having been through the pandemic, and trying to fight for
our freedoms, freedoms to even meet in church, and so
we just need to be prepared for anything that can
come down the pike. And also see that that it's
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happening right now, that there's there's intense persecution. Just because
it's not happening in your backguard doesn't mean it's not happening.
And I love how you frame that, Like, the more
that we read about what's going on, I mean that
can minister to our souls and inspire us and and yes,
just be so much more effective.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So yeah again again Jeff King, International Christian Crisis A
President and Persecution dot org. So we can continue to
read from persecution dot org. And then is there anything
else that we should know or do?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Uh, there's so much more. Like I said, I'd say,
start by getting the magazine to start reading about your
brothers and sisters, and from there, you know, when attacks happen,
then you can then you know, you can be clued
in to call your legislator. And that's the big thing.
But the first thing I think we need as believers
in this countries. Our hearts need to be revived. We
need to fall back in love with the Lord. That's
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what the persecuted church is teaching us.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. Thank you so much, Jeff,
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Keep us in the loop because I would love to
be a part of keeping this in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Absolutely love you to come again.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Thanks. All right.
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It has been a passion of mine to always keep
God at the center of delivering this news that you
need to know. And thankfully I met Lori Cawley. She's
of the Prank Citizen and she has also a passion
for covering news headlines from a biblical worldview. She does
a great job running a substack. Her and her husband Bob.
They keep the Prank Citizen newsletter up to date so
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that we can sort of the noise and nonsense and
provide excellent content and per points on politics and culture.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So welcome back, Laurie, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Thank you, it's good to be with you. Boy. I
really sweated this one out. I thought about all of
us who have always He's had a special place in
our heart for Martin Luther King Junior and what he
would he tried to do to bring up the minorities
(31:10):
in this country and help them. And boy did we
get a surprise at least I did last week with
the release of those files. So I wanted to update
everybody on that, because, let's face it, I don't know
how you Christy keep up with things because there's so
much flying around. It's like you just it's like you're
grabbing things out of the air trying to, you know,
(31:32):
make sense of things. So I, you know, last week
was just busy as they as every day is in
the Trump administration. So we have that those files that
were fully released, two hundred and forty thousand pages were
released last week. But I also wanted to bring your
viewers up to date on some of these you know,
(31:53):
weird things, these assassination attempts or actual successful assassination of
people in the political sphere. So I thought we would
start with would be assess and Ryan Ruth. Now he's
a guy that was hiding out at the golf course
last fall before the election and he wanted to take
(32:14):
out Donald Trump. So he tried to purchase a military
rocketer and RPG from Ukraine because he was really pro Ukraine,
and he told he wrote that Trump is not good
for Ukraine, So got to take that guy out and
then he signaled his intent of murder by saying he
needed equipment. So Trump doesn't become president, right, so we
(32:34):
know that he is. He was caught before something terrible happened,
and he faces trial in September. Well, what's interesting, you know,
you look at the connections, you look at people's backgrounds,
and you see a disaster, and a lot of the
disaster that I see is in the sexual area because
(32:55):
I kind of keep my eye on what's happening with
our culture in that aspect. And so there's more to
the story because he has a son who's a convicted pervert,
and you know, it's just stuff travels through generations, like
the Bible tells us, you know, third and fourth generation
(33:15):
of those who hate God. So his son Oren was
arrested last week and sentenced to eighty four months in
jail for possession of child porn. Now, during the hearing,
the judge noted that because of his involvement in a
pro child abuse web channel, so this would be a
place where these despicable people go to share stories, share techniques,
(33:43):
post just the worst. You know, possible images. Well that's
where they go to swap stories and stuff. So he
was part of this website. And you know, of course
there's a split family in this. His parents were married
until he was I think thirteen or twelve or thirteen.
Then he lived with his mother, Laura, and then when
(34:05):
he was fifteen, he refused to go to church with her,
so she kicked him out of the house. He went
to live with his dad, and then according to the
court filings, his dad kicked him down the stairs and
then he left his dad's house and then mom describes
dad as being a sex addict. So I mean, it's
just like, oh my gosh, So who knows what's in
(34:27):
this guy's background and what they're going to find out
and what else might come out in that trial in September.
So he was the son was investigated in twenty twenty three,
but they didn't fill up on any of it. They started,
you know, finding stuff on orin, but until his dad
tried to assassinate President Trump, they didn't do anything. So
(34:49):
that's kind of you know, I suppose if you're in
law enforcement, you go with the stuff that's critical, and
maybe they didn't consider him to be a critical.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Threat anyway, you know, Laurie, I mean, I can't help
but think of the whole Biblical element of you know,
eyes being the window to the soul when you look
at these pictures, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So often these these bug guys.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You know, I joke yesterday Kristen Welker had those bug
eyes when she was growing Lindsey Graham and trying to
defend the Russia lie.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And then that picture of Orin, like, man, it's so creepy.
He's just kind of like bug guy, bug guyed cot
Guide right there. Yeah, It's just it's a it's a
creepy picture.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
It's a creepy and and like you said, and this
is we've been seeing that. I mean, think about Charles Manson,
you know, just throughout history of these people when we've
had photos available. Okay, So, and then let's move on
to the shooter in Minnesota, Vance Belter and I you
and I talked about him recently. So he was an
evangelical missionary, very pro life, but he shot and killed
(35:57):
a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband. And then before he
shot her and killed her, he had tried to kill
another Minnesota lawmaker and his wife and their daughter was
in the room and anyway, they survived, thank god. So
recently and again, this stuff just kind of goes by
because we are all so busy.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah that we keep up with that recycle. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
So he sent a letter or he had a letter
in his car written to FBI Director Cash Bettel, and
then they published it, and in it he confessed to
the killings. It predicted he'd soon be dead. So then
he says he's been trained since college by US military people,
and he was serving on projects in all over the world.
(36:41):
And then he said that his stuff that he did,
shooting these people was all in the line of doing
what I thought was write and best for the interests
of the United States. Well, in this letter that you're
showing right there, he says that, and you can see
there's many lines in here. I don't know what the
deal is. The guy is a PhD in education or
I think leadership, So who knows, you know, I guess
(37:03):
it's like written on toilet paper his PhD. But he
writes in here that Tim Walls, and the governor of Minnesota,
wants to be a senator and he doesn't trust blank
and Blank to retire as plan, and that she is
planning to stay at the last minute. With Amy plus
Blank gone, then Governor Wallace would get one of the
(37:24):
open Senate seats and wants to be governor. And then
Keith Ellison, who's the Minnesota Attorney General, would be rewarded
with a generous position. So he's wanting He says Tim Wallas,
the governor, was trying to hire him to kill Amy Klobuchar,
who's a Senator, and Tina Smith, right, so I mean what?
(37:47):
And then he says he responded to Walls saying he
wanted nothing to do with it, calling the plan off,
or called the plan off, or I will go public.
So he described the killing, saying he was able to
get away by God's mercy and went back a short
time later and shot at both Blank and blank. He
doesn't explain why he's shooting at people that even weren't
(38:11):
even mentioned by supposedly mentioned by Governor Walls. I mean
what state lawmakers? He doesn't want their position. These people
are in the State House of Minnesota. So then he
notes that he didn't fire at police, but he could have.
He could have had every opportunity, And then he invites
Patel to call Tim Walls and verify all of this,
and he says Wall supported him, which is true, and
(38:33):
placed him on the Governor's Workforce board. That Walls kept
the initial reports about the shots fired from the press,
which I think it did took a while for that
information to come out, which who knows, you know, is
maybe that's true. It's probably a mix of truth and lies.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
And then he says he knows almost seems like an
MK Ultra case gone wrong. It's like they tried to
program this guy to be the life trumper that you know,
but it didn't work out because he was already obviously
publicly connected to Tim Walls, and maybe he wasn't fully
programmed because he was able to reveal some weirdness with
(39:12):
Tim Walls and the plan that got misconstrued and is.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Broken MK Ultra brain or something.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's like, you have to think of these wild explanations
because none of it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
None of it does. And it's the brainwashing, right, it's
and we talked about that the last time. It's just
how these the MK Ultra is the brainwashing program and
it works. And there's net there's a Netflix documentary on
the unibomber, who was MK ultra at I believe at Harvard.
(39:42):
So I think people are starting to understand this stuff
isn't made up, it's real. Now we get to MLK
Junior and here's you know this, this one is really
sad and I okay, So you bring bring out the
truth and there are going to be people who say
it's lies. You're just trying to smear this wonderful person.
(40:05):
All right, So we can all be the judge of
what is in these files. So they were released from
and they're available in the government archives. These are memos
and summaries. Now, the summaries are tight, and then like
we used to do back in the day, you would
write corrections in the margins or you know, make so
(40:26):
that's what we basically have, like a rough draft before
I guess the final draft was printed. And then there
are also some newspaper articles. So again two hundred and
forty thousand pages. Now when I went to the website,
there were maybe two hundred and thirty pages. So I'm
not really sure where all the rest of it is.
But back in January, President Trump signed an executive order
(40:50):
to release all this stuff. And then in twenty twenty seven,
we're supposed to have the audio recordings of the wire
taps that they did on King's phone. All right, So
the media claims that there are no bombshells in these
Martin Luther King Junior files, and then the AP, you know,
always a stalwart of telling the truth, adds that Trump
(41:11):
pushed the files out now because it deflects from Jeffrey Epstein,
you know whatever. I mean, he signed the thing back
and I don't know whatever. That's the AP. So the
King children tried to block the release, but Alvida King,
who's Mlka's niece, she thanked President Trump. She's a strong
(41:32):
Trump supporter. So there are two main things we should
know about mister King. He was not a Christian in
any way, shape or form, either by the content of
his preaching or the content of his character. And number two,
he was a Communist who wanted to bring Soviet style
government into the United States, using the issues of racism
(41:55):
and civil rights as a way to bring that stuff in.
The FBI spied on him because of his Communist party affiliations,
and the one who signed that approval was Attorney General
Robert F. Kennedy. He kind of went back and forth,
and he finally approved on surveilling him from November of
(42:15):
sixty three to April sixty five, and because of the
surveillance on his communist activities, they caught up all this
information about his moral character. Now, I don't know if
you had heard this. I heard years ago that he
had a problem with women, and you know he was
always cheating on his wife. Well, you know, that's just
(42:38):
a tip of the iceberg. He was a consummate hypocrite,
He was a bragger, he had a foul mouth. He
was a sexual pervert, and he relished punishing women who
wouldn't perform quote, unnatural sex acts. And so we have
a page there. So he's the agent is writing a summary,
(43:00):
and he says, on one occasion Maryland, Maryland minister brought
to Washington several women parishioners of his church. The group
met in his room and discussed which women among the
parishioners would be suitable for natural or unnatural sex acts.
When one of the women protested that she did not
approve of this unnatural acts, the Baptist minister immediately and
(43:26):
forcibly raped her. King looked on, laughed, and offered advice. Now,
can you imagine a pastor taking his women parishioners. I mean,
first of all, what husband would let his anyway let
his wife go, you know, just just horrible.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
You know obviously, Laurie that like, these allegations are going
to be hardheld to swallow for some because there's great
reverence from MLKA, especially because he has been sold to
us as a Christian and you know, so this, this
one's tricky. I mean, the opposite side would be like, well,
why would you trust these documents, Like these agencies have
(44:06):
always been corrupt. Maybe they were just trying to take
him out because he was a good person. So it
can get tricky at times to make sense of all
of this.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
I agree, I agree. And if I hadn't read the
stuff myself and seeing the repert you know, who's going
to know that all this went on. Well, they interviewed
the prostitutes that were also hired you to be part
of this stuff, and there's just page after page after page,
and I suppose it could all be made up. But
(44:35):
the fact, Okay, so even if we take all of
that out, he still was a communist because you go
down to he founded something called the Southern Christian Leadership
Council that came after the march in Montgomery or Selma, Alabama,
(44:57):
or before, sorry, but it came out of his activities
in Alabama. So in nineteen fifty seven he found this
Southern Christian Leadership Council and their headquarters were in Atlanta,
and they used civil descent such as boycotts and marches
to protest segregation. Most of the leaders were ministers who
believed that descent should begin a church. So who did
(45:19):
he hire as the treasurer of this August group? None
other than Stanley Levison, who was a communist Jew. Does
that even make sense?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, no, it doesn't.
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I really want to encourage people to check out your
sub stack. You are seeking the truth above all and
trying to pray about these headlines figure out what to
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And I just think that's such a.
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Great honorable mission and what we should be doing when
it comes to news dissemination.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
So thank you so much, LORI.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Thank you Christy.
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