April 21, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hey, it's good Friday Eve.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We're heading into Easter weekend, and so we have so
much that we're going to be catching up on with
Trump's pastor about it's an Easter that's going to look much.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Different than under the last administration.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We also have a singer who gave up fame and
fortune to follow his convictions, and yet he still has
to deal with an evil mob that's trying to destroy him.
The news you need to know, but with solutions and hope.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
This is Get Free with Christie Lee.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now, hey, if you haven't already, you can start checking
out a daily show now that we have here on
Lindell TV. I start off our DC live coverage Monday
through Friday at one pm Eastern and cover much of
everyday's headlines there. So I've shifted more of my news
content onto the daily show, So check that out LINDELLTV
(01:12):
dot com and you can just watch the live feed
and you'll see me there Monday through Friday starting at
one pm. And so today I really wanted to dig
into and cover just this embrace of the inverse by
the Democrat Party. So we covered how the Democrat Party
is all in on trying to bring illegal alien, criminals, murderers,
(01:34):
rapists back into our country. They put them on this pedestal.
They raise all this money for them. They raised all
that money for that teen that stabbed another teen at
a track meet.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now he's living in a nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Dollars home with a brand new car, and he brought
a knife to attract me and murdered another individual, and
yet he's being put on this at pedestal.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We saw this have with Fauci, right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
When Fauci has the biggest crimes against humanity, tried to
hide that where the coronavirus came from, that it came
from Muihan Lab.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He lab he coordinated to hide that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Lots of people up in their homes advocated for that
one in mass mandated inductions that have killed and harmed many.
And yet he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
and just awarded something else. They always put this evil
up on a pedestal. They celebrate the evil as good, right,
(02:36):
and then they paint the good as evil. And there
is a scripture that speaks to this Isaiah five Pot
twenty Woe onto them that call evil good and good evil,
that put darkness for light and light for darkness. That
put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. And there's
just countless examples of how this is playing out in
our headlines. And recently, you know, we saw this headline
(02:59):
come out that a San Antonio show will go on
for hate group supporting former Misfits singer Michael Graves. He's
described as a hate group, right, but as you'll see
today in interviewing him, he's not a hate field person
at all. In fact, quite the opposite. They're trading evil
for good and good for evil. Just another example of this.
(03:21):
So want to go ahead and invite Michael Graves in.
He is the former lead singer of the Misfits and
continuing to use his beautiful voice but for different causes.
And Michael's so glad you could join me. We've been
friends for a while now and your testimony is so
compelling and it's just so sad that you're still having
(03:42):
to deal with this. I mean, you're a person that
I see is giving up fame and fortune and all
kinds of things, and yet you're still dealing with backlash.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, it's crazy. It definitely is backwards world. And you
hear lot about you know, I'm called the Nazi. People
like me are are constantly called Nazis. That's one of
the that's one of the the you know, words that
are used to describe who we are and and people
(04:16):
often can't understand how something like what happened in Nazi Germany,
neighbor against neighbor, you know, family against family, how people
could just turn on one another. But as you just
said in your opener, it's it's it's literally happening right now.
(04:37):
I mean, it comes down to dehumanization. You know, if
you I just I just saw that that kid that
murdered that other young man walking out, he's got he's
got a whole security team, and he's being treated like
(04:58):
a celebrity. And you know, like with the Luigi Mangione,
they just forget that the human element to that well,
it doesn't matter that that he was, he had a family,
he had a son, and so the human element is
just ripped out of that whole section of of of
(05:23):
people that we see and that's a very very dangerous thing.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
And you know, you went.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
To that, to that scripture, and it had it's directly
correlated with with the lack of spirituality, with the lack
of really God, and in people's life. I see you
all the time. You see the caliber of person that
(05:52):
that are saying these things to me or to you
or to you know, that are firebombing Tesla's everybody. So
they and it look the same. They all have the
same sort of look in their eye. You know what's
going on? Why do they look that way? And you know,
evil resonates with evil? So right, everything is is is moving.
(06:13):
And when you resonate in the spirit, when you resonate
with good things, when you resonate with love and are
connected to that, you move a certain way. You you resonate,
you vibrate a certain way. And so when you as well,
you know, if you're if you're resonating on that on
that evil spectrum, and those are the things, those are
(06:34):
the thoughts that you have, those are the things that
you're attracted to. You start to you start to move
and resonate like that. It's really strange, you know, I
because I see things. I see things on a street level.
You know, I just got back on the road. I
spend a lot of time. I spend a lot of
(06:57):
time I'm out on the road in venue, use in clubs,
in people's homes talking to them, and so I really
feel I have an ear to the ground, you know,
Canary and the coal mine sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And on one hand, there's.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
A lot of people say, oh, well, things have kind
of calmed down because of the because Trump's got in so.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But it's it's the opposite. It. Things have certainly gotten worse.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The pendulum has swung even further, you know, to the left,
and these people are even more enraged.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, and to that point, you know, we're
going to get more onto a specific of your story.
But since you brought that up, there was this article
that came out of the Washington Times that it's so
bad that most liberals will now justify assassinating, actually killing
the president. It's assassination, assassination culture on the rise, and
(07:57):
it says that they can justify killing them. More than half,
more than half of liberals say that destroying TUSSLA dealerships
is acceptable. They also support, as you mentioned, Luigi Mangioni,
the twenty six year old man accused of gunning down
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
According to the survey, so this this is very real.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They embrace murder and then and in fact celebrate it.
And you also mentioned something about how they humanize they
dehumanize the victim there because oh, well, he was a
United Healthcare CEO. He was in the system, Like, how
can you blame somebody for not wanting to shoot down
And they dehumanize him and reject him as a husband
and a father. Yet they take this gang member MS
(08:39):
thirteen gang member they're calling Maryland father. And now it's
also coming out that his wife filed a protective order
against him, not once, but twice.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So it's not like he's this like father of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And he was in this country illegally, Like that is
the biggest truth out there was here illegally, and you
have his senator fighting to bring him back. Yet the
poor mother, Patty Moren, her daughter was lost to a
different illegal alien, but also in Maryland, and that senator
(09:13):
he didn't even call her and offer her condolences or
or get her story out. He's more focused on this
gang banger and bringing him back into the United States
when he's not even in a United States citizens. So
everything is inverse. It's just it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, it's it's it's hard to imagine if it wasn't happening, right,
and somebody was telling you this, that this would happen,
and you'd shake your head, yeah, it's it's an it's
an incredible thing. And these people are they're they're very
emotional and.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
And it's that same sort of spell.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's the same spell that again used the nineteen thirties
Germany example. It's that same sort of spell where it
doesn't matter, it's just this emotionally thinking. It's that it's
this hypnosis the mass formation that has taken hold, especially of.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
This younger generation. But also you know.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That last March that they had a couple of weeks ago,
one of the one of the complaints was that there
were so many you know, boomers like older people there
and they're.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Under that spell too, and.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They're just they act on their emotions and it doesn't
make any sense. It's not supposed to make sense. But
that's the tell that, like you just described, this congressman
is literally from he's a congressman from Maryland. That constituent
that went up there, that poor woman. Can you imagine
(10:59):
the pain I can hardly imagine the pain of this
woman of what she went through and describe the brutal,
the brutal beating and murder that her, her innocent daughter
went through. Uh and had to go up on television
and describe it to people, just so that you can
weigh it against this this idiot who gets on a plane,
(11:26):
you know, taxpayers pay for him to get on a
plane to go to El Salvador like and try to
release this Al Salvadorian criminal.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But it's it's.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's crazy, and it's enraging people on both sides. And
so on one side you have all of these blue
hair goblin troll people that are freaking out because, you know,
innocent people are are being locked up, or fathers from Maryland,
they're just being the new word has disappeared, right, everybody's disappeared,
off the off the street.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
And and these crazy people, the goblin trolls who are
being hypnotized, they believe it.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
They actually believe.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
That there's this tyrannicy, you know, this authoritarian government that's
now going to come for everybody.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And that's a.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Scary, dangerous thing because the trajectory of all of this
once they take to the streets, just like they actually
believed that, you know, ninety percent of the police force
in America was actually just there to go lynch black
people back in the you know, the the BLM days.
(12:41):
You know, when when the when the signal goes out,
whatever that signal is, and these people take to the streets,
it's not going to be it's not going to be
pretty because again, the left are just a bunch of
nut jobs that are that.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
That actually prefer.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Violence, have no problem with violence, and there's people on
the on the right that they've had it, they've absolutely
had it. And I'm certainly I'm certainly not a violent
person and in.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Fact, quite the opposite.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I don't want to see anybody get hurt at all.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
But you know, it's the future seems to be that
we're going.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
To be knee deep in blood and guts because that's
where this is all headed.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And it's awful.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of talk and
we thought we would maybe see civil war under a
Biden administration. But as evil is backed into a corner
and more power is pulled from them, it's making them
enraged and lash out. But speaking of the whole hate
group narrative, that's what they attack you with. They say
you were part of a hate group and boycottish show
(13:52):
and caused violence and chaos outside of his shows, things
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But again, like they're the ones calling for islands.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We see it with the Tesla firebombing and destroying that
company as a whole. Basically, they haven't been detta against
not just Elon but his companies. And you know, you
literally have most liberals being able to justify killing if
it's who they want killed, like Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yet they post articles and.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Campaign to destroy you because of your affiliation with the
Proud Boys.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So maybe explain.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What that affiliation is and how you do not see
the Proud Boys as a hay group.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
My affiliation goes back to twenty twenty one, and it
was really it started out with me trolling using a
picture that was taken of me doing the okay sign.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
And we back up a little bit. I've known I
remember when.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
The Proud Boys first started here on the East Coast,
when Gavin started them in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
I knew people that.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Were part of the club, the group, which was just
Gavin and a bunch of people.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
At a bar drinking beer.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
So jumped to twenty twenty when I had already been
being canceled and attacked for other things, including not participating
in what was called Blackout Wednesday that the music industry
and people were doing, and people freaked out over that.
But so I released this picture again as a troll
(15:42):
of me doing the okay sign, and people started freaking out,
and I put in the caption about being a proud
Western chauvinist and I wasn't going to apologize.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I know who was part of the Proud Boys called
me up and he said, he said, why don't you
join the club. It's like, look, I don't drink beer.
I don't I'm not a clicky person. I don't want to,
you know, be part of your club. I love you guys,
but you know, and whatever. So he he talked me
(16:19):
into doing it, and I hopped on with Joe Biggs
and Enrique and uh and Rufio and those guys. They
were doing a podcast and I and I did the
whole you know, oath thing and and.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Just people lost lost their freaking mind.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So that's that's basically my affiliation with them. You know,
I've met I've met and got to different clubs, and.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You know, the Proud Boys.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I got into it before it was called out on
national TV right when when they uh, when Trump was
was debating Biden and Biden had asked Trump to to
denounce Proud Boys. Then all then that's when things really
started to get crazy. But one of the things that
I was doing because of who I am and the
(17:09):
band that I'm affiliated with. I used to sing with
The Misfits, are pretty popular band. There was a lot
of young guys that started joining Proud Boys, And one
of the things that I wanted to do and did
do was I would visit the different clubs and I
would talk to the chapters, especially targeting the younger guys,
(17:32):
and I would talk to him about spirituality.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I talk to them about.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
What it is to be a man, what it is
to be responsible, and and just get to know these
guys and and try to get them and uh, you know,
be somebody that they can look up to as far
as a you know, as as far as a figure.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
So you know, that's that's my affiliation, right.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
So I was there on January fifth, I was there
on January sixth, and Rique Tario got arrested, and so
I hooked up with with some of the guys, and
because of what had happened the last time Proud Boys
were in Washington, d C. We figured, and I figured
that Enrique always wanted to keep everybody safe.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We didn't want anything to get out of hand.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So I put together, we put together a plane where
everybody was going after the rally, after everybody was going
to speak, we were going to go back to the
airbnb that Proud Boys had had rented, and I was
going to play a concert. Everyone was going to stay there, hangout.
But things went sideways and that that didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And then you know, later.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I testified for those guys because I was there January fifth,
January sixth, and I understood what happened, and I knew
what didn't happen, and so I testified for these guys
because it was the right thing to do, and I
knew the truth. So I mean that that's it. But
you know that that the Proud Boys have this rap.
(19:06):
The disinformation, the misinformation against them is just almost you
can't you can't dig out of it. And once these
people here January sixth, or they hear Proud Boys, or
they hear Trump, or they hear any of the keywords
that's it. They just nothing else matters. You can't talk
to these people. I've tried to talk to them. I'll
(19:28):
tell you another one of the things that I wanted
to and was getting into with the Proud Boys, where
some of these guys were doing, we're meeting with now.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
This is back in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
We're meeting with local BLM, you know, chapter heads and
trying to de escalate things on the street and talking
to them and saying, we have to find things that
we agree with, and we can continue to talk about
the things that we we don't agree with each other
with and on, but we need to de escalate and
(20:02):
stop hurting one another. We have to try to keep
people safe on the streets. So I guess for that
now this is, you know, there's this incredible campaign against
me where every time I or nine out of ten
times where I rear my head out there, you know
(20:24):
there's a there's goblin trolls that are coming after me.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And so you think the big part of that now
is because you've actually tried to de escalate, You've actually
tried to talk to BLM, and now it's you know,
it just.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It doesn't matter what I've done or what I haven't done.
It's baked into these people's mind that the Proud Boys
or anybody affiliated with January sixth, or anybody that's a
Trump supporter is a Nazi. When you try to to
(21:00):
extract reason and logic, when you speak to these people
and you ask them a series of questions, well why
why are the Proud Boys Nazis? And then you start
to try to extract that information, you always run up
into this this intellectual wall with them, and it just
becomes this emotional thing where they just want to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You are just you are.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You're bad, You're you're you're bad for the country, you're
bad for the world, and so therefore you must be destroyed.
And because of the lack inside these people, there is
no light inside these when you look into their eyes
and you speak with them, there is no light. They
just they want to destroy, they want to destroy. They're
(21:44):
so angry and they're they're so lost, they just they
want to destroy.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It. It's it's evil, and it's it's the it's the devil.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
They're you know, the opposite of God, right, It's it's
the devil.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And you see the devil and these people, you know,
when you were.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I was just gonna ask you, do you regret like
how this all got started. You mentioned you did like
an okay sign is like a trolling Like I don't
even know what it means. I've been told that like
doing an okay sign now is like racist. I mean,
explain that to me, And is that something that you
regret doing?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
No, No, I don't because so the so the whole
okay thing, it was a joke.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think it was a Reddit joke where they wanted
to see how far it would it would go, where
they tagged that okay symbol to it's a it's a
secret white supremacist thing, and then all the you know,
the a d L and the Southern Poverty Law Center,
all the the usual.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Outlets picked it up and said, well it is.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It is a white supremacist sign, and will the Proud
Boys do it? And so it just became this thing
and it's just the most ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So I had this like you were being like, yeah,
this is why smarms like yes.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yes, yeah, it's just trying to get a because it
was the ridiculousness of it.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
But no, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I don't regret anything that I that I've done. I
wish I had worked harder and done more along the way.
But as far as you know what I've done and
how I've how I've carried myself, you know my actions,
my behavior, I don't. I don't apologize. I haven't done
anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I want to make sure that I pitched that
there is a documentary about all this, and we do
have a quick video we can show to.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Pitch that documentary.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Believe you can find the documentary on your website right
or Official Michael Graves dot com. Okay, like watch, Let's
watch this real quick and then I'll be back with
you in just a moment.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Former lead singer in the MYSS band from major to
music festival recruiting Alcouns and Paul Watson because we're all Nazis,
even those about those, those Nazis don't like that.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It was absolutely crushing the backlash that happened to me.
I mean, no record companies were interested in what I
was doing, and certainly no booking agency here or in
Europe would touch me with a ten foot pole.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So you can watch that on official Michael Graves dot com.
The documentary of what you went through. Now, you mentioned,
you know, facing cancel culture. This is how you have
been making a living after leaving the Missets. You've continued
in music and tumoring and all of that, and you
faced all these cancelations and blacklisting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
As actually has that died down at all?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Because I mean, it seems like you've been able to
report efforts to shut you down, and it seems like
from the outside that does died down a bit, but
maybe not.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
No, it's actually gotten worse. Yeah, it's gotten worse. It's
gotten more intense, for sure. Yeah, it hasn't died down.
And that's what I was saying about being the Canary
and the coal mine, where when I this is the
first tour that I just got back out on.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That was the first tour that I've done in about
a year.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And I'd done little sort of one offs here and there,
especially down in South America.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I'd spent a little bit of time down.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
There, but for the most part, I had stepped out
of music and I was working doing something completely different
than what I'm doing now, still applying the talents that
God's given me, but and thinking about getting back.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Into a lot of the council I got.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Some of the council I got was well, Trump's back in,
things are calm.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
The whole cancel culture thing that's like a thing in
the past. People aren't doing that anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I was like, well, we'll see, And you know,
I was right, it's worse. It's absolutely more intense. It's
more intense.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's really sad that you're still dealing with that. But
so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You have been able to be safe as far as
that San Antonio concert. You said you were able to
work with authorities as far as these people protesting your
appearance and have permits and such.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, So I was getting I was getting threats and
things started to get at a hand as behind the scenes.
So I was in contact with San Antonio Police Department
and then the Sheriff's department just to keep everybody safe
and make sure that there wasn't actually any sort of
credible threats things that were going on.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
And we want to make sure as well that.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
The venue owners were safe and everybody knew what the
boundaries were. And at the end of the day, I
think there was like maybe six people that showed up
to protest, and it was the type of person or
people you would you would expect.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They were very, very angry.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
They didn't want to talk, they didn't want to come
to the show, even if it was for free. We
had barbecue going people, we're smoking brisket, and it was
a whole party. They wanted nothing to do with it.
They didn't want to have any fun. They just wanted
to be mad. And they flew their anti for flag
and they had a bluetooth speaker and they were playing
old misfits music and yelling vile things at us. But
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you know, back to I love that that you have
such a spiritual bend to your show and you include
that in your in your show, because that's certainly the
way forward and the way to beat this back. When
you start to deconstruct this left this movement and you
start and you speak to these people, you can always
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back engineer it to satanism, to the devil. Even in
entertainment and music, you back engineer it, and it's all
it's all this satanic imagery.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
It's all this Luciferian.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Stuff, except in some country music. You know, But when
you look at our movement and the people that say
you and I deal with on a professional level and
a personal level. You can all back engineer that to Jesus,
to God, to light and that that's the difference. That's
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what's happening here, and it's becoming more and more a
parent as we go forward.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Absolutely, And to that end, I have a pastor coming
up next, Trump's pastor that I'm gonna be talking to
just after you. And so just to wrap things up,
I do want to encourage the people to check you
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extra support considering everything that you've been through, and so
just want to ask, like, what would you like to
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lead people with as far as like your current state
of spirituality.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I know it's led you down this wild ride of.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Being in the mismits and then I'm ultimately going outside
of that and so any final words of wisdom from you.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Oh boy, Well, sometimes we find ourselves in God's waiting room, right,
and it seems it's one of the hardest places in
the world to be, Especially for me. There's been many
times where I've lost patience with the Lord and I
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say I'm just doing Michael's doing this now and whenever
whenever I've tried to do things in my own in
my own way, I've always found myself at a place
perhaps that I don't want to be, or situations where
I don't want to be. So when they say, you know,
just give it to the Lord, there's really something to that.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And and we have to you have.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
To have faith that that that the Lord makes all
things work for our good. It says that in scripture
the Lord makes all things work for our good. And
if we believe that, and we hold on to that faith,
and and we we walk down that that narrow path.
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It's easy to walk down the big the big one.
It's easy to do that. But we have to humble
ourselves and and and just have faith that that that
that that that the Lord is there for us. And
we follow the spirit, and we listen to the spirit,
and we're going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
We got to let go of this world.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
We have to let go of this world, the material
part of this world.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
We have to let that go.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I tell that to young people all the time, and
that's another thing I pray for, Like the young people
out there. We have to continue to talk about Jesus,
really talk about our spirituality. Put it in all things
that we do, and not be afraid to push back
against you know, the devil, the Luciferian stuff that seems
so cool, but it's not.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
It's certainly not.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, and I know I kind of put you on
the spot there, but that was just so perfect, perfect,
perfectly said, perfect for what I've been feeling lately myself.
Just a great reminder that, yes, being in God's waiting
room is not a fun place to be in, and
a reminder that, yeah, like sometimes we can sit here
and feel sorry for ourselves, but this is what we
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signed up for.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We signed up for the narrow road, you know, and
the adventure that.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, nothing, it's not. Life is not comfort stable most
of the time. It's it's not supposed to be. That's
never that's not promised to us comfort and you know,
everything rosy and happy all the time. Sometimes things are,
you know, the way that they are, and it's difficult.
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I wouldn't change anything in my life, as difficult and
as rough as it is, because at the end of
the day, you know, it's all going to be good.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
God's got us, Yes, Roman's eight twenty eight. All things
work together for the good to those that know the
Lord and our fault according to his purpose.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, thank you so much, Michael, and I look forward
to speaking to you again real soon.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And again folks.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
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Speaker 1 (32:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Thanks, Christy, youve it all right.
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And as we gather with family and friends, will not
forget the true source of our joy and our strength.
America has put our trust in God. It will always
be in God. We trust. We will never change that.
You know there's a movement to change it. It will
not happen. We won't let that happen. Can you imagine
a movement to change that? Robert, You're not happy about
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that when you hear it.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Look at him.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
He's getting angry and angry. We can get angry too,
can't We have now it's never going to change, and
with God's help, we can overcome every challenge, triumph over
every evil, and restore the spirit of faith in the
United States for generations to come. We have a very
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simple slogan, make America great Again, and that's exactly what
we're doing.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
It certainly does feel much better under President Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I mean, this is a far cry. As we head
into Easter, weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So different than the Biden administration that has transactuals throwing
up their shirts, flashing people running after big stubbed bunnies
or looking for one as you'll recall President Biden doing. So,
We're in a much different place, and so it's great
to have America acknowledging the spiritual end of things and
(35:29):
that we are under God and to talk about that
with me. Is the founder of the Now television network,
and he was labeled by Time magazine as Trump's pastor.
Pastor Mark Burns. So happy to have him with us today.
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Happy to be here as always.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yes, it's been really interesting to hear from Trump. He's
shared his testimony saying that that experience of being almost killed,
almost assassinated has really kind of changed, has resolved. Have
you had an opportunity to speak with him since that
assassination attempt and how that's changed his outlook on things?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (36:05):
I mean again, I spoke to him personally over the
phone right not too long right after that happened, and
then of course we've been in conversation with each other
since then over the phone, and I can tell you
that everything he sends publicly he has said privately about
his faith, his renewed faith in the Lord, and his
faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, this is holy
weak where billions of people around the world have taken
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this week aside to worship the true and Living God
and to honor.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
The resurrection power of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
And so it is so refreshing to especially when you
had a previous administration as you just stated, that has
a hard time understanding or what a woman is, answering
the question of what a woman is, and pushing for,
you know, biological men to compete against females, stripping away
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female's rights and making it even more easier to abort babies.
And yet we now have a president that understands the
traditional values of the marriage, the traditional values of the family.
There are schools right now in Detroit and Michigan that
still are are breaking the law by pushing their sexual
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orientation agenda onto the children's schools. So this president, my
friend of ten years, and this White House is one
hundred percent behind the traditional values that had made America
great and we're getting back to that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, it definitely feels good.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean, Biden always said that he was a Catholic,
But I mean, I don't see any evidence of following
Christ in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And so it's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
How when you recall with the frunt of the White
House lawn look like, with transsexuals and people pulling their
shirts up, I mean, it's just it's such a desecration
for the holiday.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
How do you see this holiday looking differently?
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Well, I mean it clearly. You see what took place
yesterday in the White House. You see that the President
is openly talking about his faith and knowing that he
is giving honor to the living God. Again, our pleasure
of allegiance is intertwined in the name of God. This
nation was founded on judaeo Christian principles. The founding framers
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or the founding fathers, majority of them worst seminarian graduates.
And so this nation was founded on these Christian judae
of principles. That has made us great. It's been the
bedrock and the foundation of our nation. And to see
the Biden administration remove itself, to see the Obama administration
remove itself, to see them lining up with organizations that
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actively then announced the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
Those that denounce faith in.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
General, and again to to see a president who is
openly bringing it all back to the White House, bringing
it back into the center of American lifestyle. That is
what again made America great and the president slogan is
to make it great again. And part of that is
to is to bring God, to make God uh, to
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make God big again here in America. And I believe
that's the revival that that we're starting to see around
this nation.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
And again.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Again you got people who Katie identify what a woman is.
You have people you're seeing transgenders now who are coming
out and they're saying, I was wrong.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
I should have never had these surgeries. This is takes.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
It shows that those who who go through trans transsexual
surgeries bottom surgeries or top surgeries as what they're called
seven sixty seven years later be come suicidal after they
had these changes.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
And so these are.
Speaker 9 (40:04):
Demonic things that that people are pushing onto have been
pushing onto children and pushing onto our society.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
But now we're getting back to normal.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
There's two sexes, there's two genders, there's male and there's female.
There are no cats. There are no dogs humans think
that they're cats. There are no humans think that the
children think they're furry animals, they call them furries. All
of those things are being pushed aside under President Donald Trump,
and we're having the same White House is back again.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Now, I know that there's efforts to bring the Bible
back into the classroom, that the White House has established
a faith office.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
What would you say to those that are.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Pushing again back against these efforts, saying like, oh, no,
that violates the separation of church and state.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Well, I mean, you got to really know what the
Jefferson mean when they said that the separational church of
state was not to keep the government keep religion out
of the government. It was designed to keep the government
out of the religion. And so it was completely about
making sure that religion doesn't overstep our faith. But they
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have misconscruted it to making it believe as though that
religion cannot be involved in government or in the public sector.
That is not the case at all. You can go
back and read what it wrote, read what the Jefferson
said when he made that comment and in his letter.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
But the reality of it is this.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
You can trace back to the amount of mass shootings
that took place in America when you saw prayer and
the Word of God being stripped out of the public
school systems, that the hand of God has left our
children in the public school system.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Go back and look at it. There were no mass
shootings like there are now. There were still guns even then.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
But the moment that you took prayer and you took
the Bible out of the schools and it stopped being
at one of the requirements that children were able to early,
children were able to receive, then you could see the
mass killings even more taking place, bullying in the schools,
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suicides in the school all because of I believe the
spiritual hand of God has been has come off of
our children and we got to put it back.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, and I know I only have a few more
minutes with you, but wanted to talk to you about
this article that says that new research shows Christianity is
growing in America right now, reversing a downward trend. Now
it reports that after many years of decline, that Americans
who identify as Christian show signs of leveling off. So
at least it is not going down, but it's not
necessarily going up. But the cause for concern is really
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the majority of younger Americans are now identifying as non Christians.
So this targeting of youth has really worked. Do you
think what can we do to reach our youth now
and to inspire revival?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Do you think?
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Well?
Speaker 9 (43:12):
Again, Number one is a power prayer. I mean, this
is a supernatural move that has to happen. And I'm
saying it here in South Carolina and in other parts
around the world where young people are crying out to
God that there is a revival that is taking place
now amongst young people. But again, anything set by Heaven
will be contested by Hell. Anything loved by God will
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be hated by Saving. And so there's always a contradiction
to what God is trying to do to our young people.
But I also know that in the end, the Book
of Revelations will come to pass. And I'm not doom
in gloom because again there's a resurrection. Remember we're in
the Holy Week. We're talking about the resurrection of the
Lord Jesus Christ. And so the resurrection is proof of
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the reward of obedience, right, and so you know, every
act of obedience has a resurrection, and so that means
the Book of Revelations is coming to pass. There's come
a time where the Body of Christ will be in
hiding in America, and it's happening right now in other
parts of the world. Right now, there are pastors in
other parts of the world that are running or hiding
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from their in fear of their life being killed.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
And I'm getting these reports.
Speaker 9 (44:23):
All over the world, and I'm traveling all over the
world to help investigate and bring a light to all
of this that is happening. And so again, I just
got back from Ukraine. Seven hundred churches that have been
targeted by the Russian aggressions in Ukraine. My whole heart
had to change significantly about Ukraine because I was on
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the ground there. I wasn't paid to go, but the
Holy Spirit the Cross impelled me to say I was
wrong about my attitude towards Ukraine. So when you see
seven hundred churches that are being targeted by Russian when
you hear the three hundred rapes that are happening to
women in congregations by these pastors, and I met with
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so many spiritual leaders at the interfaith gathering in Ukraine
where I was the keynote speaker. When you see in
the pastors being assassinated or having their heads shot off
of the back of I mean, these things are happening
right now because there are a strong stance for the
Lord Jesus Christ at the hands of the Russians. So
we know that revelations is going to come to past
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is going to get bad, but eventually the resurrection will happen,
and that's where we find joy again. The cross is painful,
but the tomb was temporary. And that's the work that
I have for everybody who sees a decline in Christianity
and in America.
Speaker 7 (45:45):
The resurrection is painful, the cross is painful. We're going
to go through more and more turmoil.
Speaker 9 (45:51):
The Bible is clear, and if we believe in the
Word of God, we know that is true. But we
also know that there's a resurrection, and we also know
that there's a second coming of the Messiah.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
His name is Jesus. And we find joy and peace
and hope.
Speaker 9 (46:04):
And regardless of what happens on this world, in the end,
we will see Jesus. And the Bible says all needs
shall bow, every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord.
And so I get excited about the resurrection, not so
much about the cross.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah. Amen, well, Pastor Mark Burns, thank you so much.
You can follow him on x and check out Mark
Burns dot org. Got to get you off to your
next interview.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But thanks to you. Thank you so much for stopping by.
Speaker 7 (46:31):
God bless you all so much.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I mean interesting that he and I didn't get a
chance to ask him about his change and stands on Ukraine.
But although we may may have differences of opinion on
how we approach Ukraine that whole Ukraine topic, I think
we can all agree in the power of prayer and
praying for the innocent people. That's the problem with these
conversations is we tend to form them around and the
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leaders of the different countries, the governments of the countries themselves.
I support the people of Israel, but I don't necessarily
support the government of Israel. I support the people of Ukraine,
but I don't necessarily support President Zelenski, you know. So
we do need to focus on the innocent people that
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are caught up in these political tensions and foreign affairs
and continue to pray for them. He also raised a
point of the amount of Christians that are still being
persecuted and not rarely makes any news headlines is the
mass discrimination and mass persecution of Christians. And I'm so
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thankful that I was raised to to pray for the
for those to be aware of the continued Christian persecution
of Christians. Like with organizations like Voice of America, sometimes
you have to read articles and that are just heart wrenching,
that are just appalling, but they also give you encouragement, like, Wow,
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what a what a thing to have a faith like that,
to have to be in these situations and still have
the faith and the confidence to not reject God, to
not denounce Him. And that's that's the kind of fiery
faith that we are all called to have, is to
stand up and trust in our Lord and Savior no
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matter what. And as a pastor, Mark Burns, it says,
to recognize that there is the cross, there is the pain,
but then there is a resurrection.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
What a hope we have in Jesus.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And that's what's so exciting about going into Easter weekend
is that we get to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus,
the symbolism of the reason that we have a hope
to make it to heaven because of Christ's great sacrifice.
There great pain on that cross to take all our
sins upon him so that we can be forgiven, so
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that by grace we can be saved through faith. And
we definitely don't want to gloss over the significance of
that and the power of prayer in that we have
a new administration. Now Trump is certainly not perfect. God
never seems to use perfect characters. I have to do
is look at the many examples in the Bible of
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people he chose to allow to raise up, allowed to
assume that position of leadership. And because Trump, though, is
in that position, he's gonna face not only danger like assassination,
but also the danger of deception. So we need to
continue to pray for Trump that he will be the
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honorable man that he's professing to be, that he is
truly following Christ and tapping into the spiritual side of
things and finding strength from Jesus Christ. And we want
to pray for the sincerity of that. I think it's
always a good idea to skeptical. I mean, I remember
I was a huge George W. Bushmand because he said
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he wrote his Bible. But you know, since since then,
I the evidence of his fruit is lacking. We'll say,
so we should use our discernment and be skeptical of
just just because someone says they're they're on team Jesus
doesn't necessarily mean that. But let's pray intentionally for those words,
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for what he's doing to be authentic, right, to be authentic,
and that a spiritual hedge of protection will will be
around him, and that he can help in what we
all need to be doing, which is bringing glory to
God and bringing more people into the Kingdom of God.
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So the verse of the day was from Isaiah five
twenty Woe onto them that call evil good and good evil,
that put darkness for light and light for darkness, that
put bitter for sweet and sweet for better. And boy
does that go along with everything that we're seeing right
now as we see the Democrats elevate murderers and rapists
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and and I mean.
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That very very much, pretty much covers it.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You think of all of the people that they're elevating,
and they're literal murderers and rapists and criminals, and they're
choosing to elevate them and calling that good. And then
they're calling the good people like Michael Graves who we
had at the top of the show, they're calling him
evil and he is such a good man that just
wants people to become spiritually awakened. And so take that
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We also have a singer who gave up fame and
fortune to follow his convictions, and yet he still has
to deal with an evil mob that's trying to destroy him.
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dot com and you can just watch the live feed
and you'll see me there Monday through Friday starting at
one pm. And so today I really wanted to dig
into and cover just this embrace of the inverse by
the Democrat Party. So we covered how the Democrat Party
is all in on trying to bring illegal alien, criminals, murderers,
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rapists back into our country. They put them on this pedestal.
They raise all this money for them. They raised all
that money for that teen that stabbed another teen at
a track meet.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now he's living in a nine hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Dollars home with a brand new car, and he brought
a knife to attract me and murdered another individual, and
yet he's being put on this at pedestal.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We saw this have with Fauci, right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
When Fauci has the biggest crimes against humanity, tried to
hide that where the coronavirus came from, that it came
from Muihan Lab.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He lab he coordinated to hide that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Lots of people up in their homes advocated for that
one in mass mandated inductions that have killed and harmed many.
And yet he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
and just awarded something else. They always put this evil
up on a pedestal. They celebrate the evil as good, right,
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and then they paint the good as evil. And there
is a scripture that speaks to this Isaiah five Pot
twenty Woe onto them that call evil good and good evil,
that put darkness for light and light for darkness. That
put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. And there's
just countless examples of how this is playing out in
our headlines. And recently, you know, we saw this headline
(02:59):
come out that a San Antonio show will go on
for hate group supporting former Misfits singer Michael Graves. He's
described as a hate group, right, but as you'll see
today in interviewing him, he's not a hate field person
at all. In fact, quite the opposite. They're trading evil
for good and good for evil. Just another example of this.
(03:21):
So want to go ahead and invite Michael Graves in.
He is the former lead singer of the Misfits and
continuing to use his beautiful voice but for different causes.
And Michael's so glad you could join me. We've been
friends for a while now and your testimony is so
compelling and it's just so sad that you're still having
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to deal with this. I mean, you're a person that
I see is giving up fame and fortune and all
kinds of things, and yet you're still dealing with backlash.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, it's crazy. It definitely is backwards world. And you
hear lot about you know, I'm called the Nazi. People
like me are are constantly called Nazis. That's one of
the that's one of the the you know, words that
are used to describe who we are and and people
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often can't understand how something like what happened in Nazi Germany,
neighbor against neighbor, you know, family against family, how people
could just turn on one another. But as you just
said in your opener, it's it's it's literally happening right now.
(04:37):
I mean, it comes down to dehumanization. You know, if
you I just I just saw that that kid that
murdered that other young man walking out, he's got he's
got a whole security team, and he's being treated like
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a celebrity. And you know, like with the Luigi Mangione,
they just forget that the human element to that well,
it doesn't matter that that he was, he had a family,
he had a son, and so the human element is
just ripped out of that whole section of of of
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people that we see and that's a very very dangerous thing.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
And you know, you went.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
To that, to that scripture, and it had it's directly
correlated with with the lack of spirituality, with the lack
of really God, and in people's life. I see you
all the time. You see the caliber of person that
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that are saying these things to me or to you
or to you know, that are firebombing Tesla's everybody. So
they and it look the same. They all have the
same sort of look in their eye. You know what's
going on? Why do they look that way? And you know,
evil resonates with evil? So right, everything is is is moving.
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And when you resonate in the spirit, when you resonate
with good things, when you resonate with love and are
connected to that, you move a certain way. You you resonate,
you vibrate a certain way. And so when you as well,
you know, if you're if you're resonating on that on
that evil spectrum, and those are the things, those are
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the thoughts that you have, those are the things that
you're attracted to. You start to you start to move
and resonate like that. It's really strange, you know, I
because I see things. I see things on a street level.
You know, I just got back on the road. I
spend a lot of time. I spend a lot of
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time I'm out on the road in venue, use in clubs,
in people's homes talking to them, and so I really
feel I have an ear to the ground, you know,
Canary and the coal mine sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And on one hand, there's.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
A lot of people say, oh, well, things have kind
of calmed down because of the because Trump's got in so.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But it's it's the opposite. It. Things have certainly gotten worse.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The pendulum has swung even further, you know, to the left,
and these people are even more enraged.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, and to that point, you know, we're
going to get more onto a specific of your story.
But since you brought that up, there was this article
that came out of the Washington Times that it's so
bad that most liberals will now justify assassinating, actually killing
the president. It's assassination, assassination culture on the rise, and
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it says that they can justify killing them. More than half,
more than half of liberals say that destroying TUSSLA dealerships
is acceptable. They also support, as you mentioned, Luigi Mangioni,
the twenty six year old man accused of gunning down
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
According to the survey, so this this is very real.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They embrace murder and then and in fact celebrate it.
And you also mentioned something about how they humanize they
dehumanize the victim there because oh, well, he was a
United Healthcare CEO. He was in the system, Like, how
can you blame somebody for not wanting to shoot down
And they dehumanize him and reject him as a husband
and a father. Yet they take this gang member MS
(08:39):
thirteen gang member they're calling Maryland father. And now it's
also coming out that his wife filed a protective order
against him, not once, but twice.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So it's not like he's this like father of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And he was in this country illegally, Like that is
the biggest truth out there was here illegally, and you
have his senator fighting to bring him back. Yet the
poor mother, Patty Moren, her daughter was lost to a
different illegal alien, but also in Maryland, and that senator
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he didn't even call her and offer her condolences or
or get her story out. He's more focused on this
gang banger and bringing him back into the United States
when he's not even in a United States citizens. So
everything is inverse. It's just it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, it's it's it's hard to imagine if it wasn't happening, right,
and somebody was telling you this, that this would happen,
and you'd shake your head, yeah, it's it's an it's
an incredible thing. And these people are they're they're very
emotional and.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
And it's that same sort of spell.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's the same spell that again used the nineteen thirties
Germany example. It's that same sort of spell where it
doesn't matter, it's just this emotionally thinking. It's that it's
this hypnosis the mass formation that has taken hold, especially of.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
This younger generation. But also you know.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That last March that they had a couple of weeks ago,
one of the one of the complaints was that there
were so many you know, boomers like older people there
and they're.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Under that spell too, and.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They're just they act on their emotions and it doesn't
make any sense. It's not supposed to make sense. But
that's the tell that, like you just described, this congressman
is literally from he's a congressman from Maryland. That constituent
that went up there, that poor woman. Can you imagine
(10:59):
the pain I can hardly imagine the pain of this
woman of what she went through and describe the brutal,
the brutal beating and murder that her, her innocent daughter
went through. Uh and had to go up on television
and describe it to people, just so that you can
weigh it against this this idiot who gets on a plane,
(11:26):
you know, taxpayers pay for him to get on a
plane to go to El Salvador like and try to
release this Al Salvadorian criminal.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But it's it's.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's crazy, and it's enraging people on both sides. And
so on one side you have all of these blue
hair goblin troll people that are freaking out because, you know,
innocent people are are being locked up, or fathers from Maryland,
they're just being the new word has disappeared, right, everybody's disappeared,
off the off the street.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
And and these crazy people, the goblin trolls who are
being hypnotized, they believe it.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
They actually believe.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
That there's this tyrannicy, you know, this authoritarian government that's
now going to come for everybody.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And that's a.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Scary, dangerous thing because the trajectory of all of this
once they take to the streets, just like they actually
believed that, you know, ninety percent of the police force
in America was actually just there to go lynch black
people back in the you know, the the BLM days.
(12:41):
You know, when when the when the signal goes out,
whatever that signal is, and these people take to the streets,
it's not going to be it's not going to be
pretty because again, the left are just a bunch of
nut jobs that are that.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
That actually prefer.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Violence, have no problem with violence, and there's people on
the on the right that they've had it, they've absolutely
had it. And I'm certainly I'm certainly not a violent
person and in.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Fact, quite the opposite.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I don't want to see anybody get hurt at all.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
But you know, it's the future seems to be that
we're going.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
To be knee deep in blood and guts because that's
where this is all headed.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And it's awful.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of talk and
we thought we would maybe see civil war under a
Biden administration. But as evil is backed into a corner
and more power is pulled from them, it's making them
enraged and lash out. But speaking of the whole hate
group narrative, that's what they attack you with. They say
you were part of a hate group and boycottish show
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and caused violence and chaos outside of his shows, things
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But again, like they're the ones calling for islands.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We see it with the Tesla firebombing and destroying that
company as a whole. Basically, they haven't been detta against
not just Elon but his companies. And you know, you
literally have most liberals being able to justify killing if
it's who they want killed, like Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yet they post articles and.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Campaign to destroy you because of your affiliation with the
Proud Boys.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So maybe explain.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What that affiliation is and how you do not see
the Proud Boys as a hay group.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
My affiliation goes back to twenty twenty one, and it
was really it started out with me trolling using a
picture that was taken of me doing the okay sign.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
And we back up a little bit. I've known I
remember when.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
The Proud Boys first started here on the East Coast,
when Gavin started them in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
I knew people that.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Were part of the club, the group, which was just
Gavin and a bunch of people.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
At a bar drinking beer.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
So jumped to twenty twenty when I had already been
being canceled and attacked for other things, including not participating
in what was called Blackout Wednesday that the music industry
and people were doing, and people freaked out over that.
But so I released this picture again as a troll
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of me doing the okay sign, and people started freaking out,
and I put in the caption about being a proud
Western chauvinist and I wasn't going to apologize.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I know who was part of the Proud Boys called
me up and he said, he said, why don't you
join the club. It's like, look, I don't drink beer.
I don't I'm not a clicky person. I don't want to,
you know, be part of your club. I love you guys,
but you know, and whatever. So he he talked me
(16:19):
into doing it, and I hopped on with Joe Biggs
and Enrique and uh and Rufio and those guys. They
were doing a podcast and I and I did the
whole you know, oath thing and and.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Just people lost lost their freaking mind.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So that's that's basically my affiliation with them. You know,
I've met I've met and got to different clubs, and.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You know, the Proud Boys.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I got into it before it was called out on
national TV right when when they uh, when Trump was
was debating Biden and Biden had asked Trump to to
denounce Proud Boys. Then all then that's when things really
started to get crazy. But one of the things that
I was doing because of who I am and the
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band that I'm affiliated with. I used to sing with
The Misfits, are pretty popular band. There was a lot
of young guys that started joining Proud Boys, And one
of the things that I wanted to do and did
do was I would visit the different clubs and I
would talk to the chapters, especially targeting the younger guys,
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and I would talk to him about spirituality.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I talk to them about.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
What it is to be a man, what it is
to be responsible, and and just get to know these
guys and and try to get them and uh, you know,
be somebody that they can look up to as far
as a you know, as as far as a figure.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
So you know, that's that's my affiliation, right.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
So I was there on January fifth, I was there
on January sixth, and Rique Tario got arrested, and so
I hooked up with with some of the guys, and
because of what had happened the last time Proud Boys
were in Washington, d C. We figured, and I figured
that Enrique always wanted to keep everybody safe.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We didn't want anything to get out of hand.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So I put together, we put together a plane where
everybody was going after the rally, after everybody was going
to speak, we were going to go back to the
airbnb that Proud Boys had had rented, and I was
going to play a concert. Everyone was going to stay there, hangout.
But things went sideways and that that didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And then you know, later.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I testified for those guys because I was there January fifth,
January sixth, and I understood what happened, and I knew
what didn't happen, and so I testified for these guys
because it was the right thing to do, and I
knew the truth. So I mean that that's it. But
you know that that the Proud Boys have this rap.
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The disinformation, the misinformation against them is just almost you
can't you can't dig out of it. And once these
people here January sixth, or they hear Proud Boys, or
they hear Trump, or they hear any of the keywords
that's it. They just nothing else matters. You can't talk
to these people. I've tried to talk to them. I'll
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tell you another one of the things that I wanted
to and was getting into with the Proud Boys, where
some of these guys were doing, we're meeting with now.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
This is back in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
We're meeting with local BLM, you know, chapter heads and
trying to de escalate things on the street and talking
to them and saying, we have to find things that
we agree with, and we can continue to talk about
the things that we we don't agree with each other
with and on, but we need to de escalate and
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stop hurting one another. We have to try to keep
people safe on the streets. So I guess for that
now this is, you know, there's this incredible campaign against
me where every time I or nine out of ten
times where I rear my head out there, you know
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there's a there's goblin trolls that are coming after me.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And so you think the big part of that now
is because you've actually tried to de escalate, You've actually
tried to talk to BLM, and now it's you know,
it just.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It doesn't matter what I've done or what I haven't done.
It's baked into these people's mind that the Proud Boys
or anybody affiliated with January sixth, or anybody that's a
Trump supporter is a Nazi. When you try to to
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extract reason and logic, when you speak to these people
and you ask them a series of questions, well why
why are the Proud Boys Nazis? And then you start
to try to extract that information, you always run up
into this this intellectual wall with them, and it just
becomes this emotional thing where they just want to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You are just you are.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You're bad, You're you're you're bad for the country, you're
bad for the world, and so therefore you must be destroyed.
And because of the lack inside these people, there is
no light inside these when you look into their eyes
and you speak with them, there is no light. They
just they want to destroy, they want to destroy. They're
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so angry and they're they're so lost, they just they
want to destroy.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It. It's it's evil, and it's it's the it's the devil.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
They're you know, the opposite of God, right, It's it's
the devil.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And you see the devil and these people, you know,
when you were.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I was just gonna ask you, do you regret like
how this all got started. You mentioned you did like
an okay sign is like a trolling Like I don't
even know what it means. I've been told that like
doing an okay sign now is like racist. I mean,
explain that to me, And is that something that you
regret doing?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
No, No, I don't because so the so the whole
okay thing, it was a joke.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think it was a Reddit joke where they wanted
to see how far it would it would go, where
they tagged that okay symbol to it's a it's a
secret white supremacist thing, and then all the you know,
the a d L and the Southern Poverty Law Center,
all the the usual.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Outlets picked it up and said, well it is.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It is a white supremacist sign, and will the Proud
Boys do it? And so it just became this thing
and it's just the most ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So I had this like you were being like, yeah,
this is why smarms like yes.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yes, yeah, it's just trying to get a because it
was the ridiculousness of it.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
But no, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I don't regret anything that I that I've done. I
wish I had worked harder and done more along the way.
But as far as you know what I've done and
how I've how I've carried myself, you know my actions,
my behavior, I don't. I don't apologize. I haven't done
anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I want to make sure that I pitched that
there is a documentary about all this, and we do
have a quick video we can show to.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Pitch that documentary.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Believe you can find the documentary on your website right
or Official Michael Graves dot com. Okay, like watch, Let's
watch this real quick and then I'll be back with
you in just a moment.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Former lead singer in the MYSS band from major to
music festival recruiting Alcouns and Paul Watson because we're all Nazis,
even those about those, those Nazis don't like that.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It was absolutely crushing the backlash that happened to me.
I mean, no record companies were interested in what I
was doing, and certainly no booking agency here or in
Europe would touch me with a ten foot pole.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So you can watch that on official Michael Graves dot com.
The documentary of what you went through. Now, you mentioned,
you know, facing cancel culture. This is how you have
been making a living after leaving the Missets. You've continued
in music and tumoring and all of that, and you
faced all these cancelations and blacklisting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
As actually has that died down at all?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Because I mean, it seems like you've been able to
report efforts to shut you down, and it seems like
from the outside that does died down a bit, but
maybe not.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
No, it's actually gotten worse. Yeah, it's gotten worse. It's
gotten more intense, for sure. Yeah, it hasn't died down.
And that's what I was saying about being the Canary
and the coal mine, where when I this is the
first tour that I just got back out on.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That was the first tour that I've done in about
a year.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And I'd done little sort of one offs here and there,
especially down in South America.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I'd spent a little bit of time down.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
There, but for the most part, I had stepped out
of music and I was working doing something completely different
than what I'm doing now, still applying the talents that
God's given me, but and thinking about getting back.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Into a lot of the council I got.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Some of the council I got was well, Trump's back in,
things are calm.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
The whole cancel culture thing that's like a thing in
the past. People aren't doing that anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I was like, well, we'll see, And you know,
I was right, it's worse. It's absolutely more intense. It's
more intense.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's really sad that you're still dealing with that. But
so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You have been able to be safe as far as
that San Antonio concert. You said you were able to
work with authorities as far as these people protesting your
appearance and have permits and such.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, So I was getting I was getting threats and
things started to get at a hand as behind the scenes.
So I was in contact with San Antonio Police Department
and then the Sheriff's department just to keep everybody safe
and make sure that there wasn't actually any sort of
credible threats things that were going on.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
And we want to make sure as well that.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
The venue owners were safe and everybody knew what the
boundaries were. And at the end of the day, I
think there was like maybe six people that showed up
to protest, and it was the type of person or
people you would you would expect.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They were very, very angry.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
They didn't want to talk, they didn't want to come
to the show, even if it was for free. We
had barbecue going people, we're smoking brisket, and it was
a whole party. They wanted nothing to do with it.
They didn't want to have any fun. They just wanted
to be mad. And they flew their anti for flag
and they had a bluetooth speaker and they were playing
old misfits music and yelling vile things at us. But
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you know, back to I love that that you have
such a spiritual bend to your show and you include
that in your in your show, because that's certainly the
way forward and the way to beat this back. When
you start to deconstruct this left this movement and you
start and you speak to these people, you can always
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back engineer it to satanism, to the devil. Even in
entertainment and music, you back engineer it, and it's all
it's all this satanic imagery.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
It's all this Luciferian.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Stuff, except in some country music. You know, But when
you look at our movement and the people that say
you and I deal with on a professional level and
a personal level. You can all back engineer that to Jesus,
to God, to light and that that's the difference. That's
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what's happening here, and it's becoming more and more a
parent as we go forward.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Absolutely, And to that end, I have a pastor coming
up next, Trump's pastor that I'm gonna be talking to
just after you. And so just to wrap things up,
I do want to encourage the people to check you
out official Michael Graves dot com and show him some
extra support considering everything that you've been through, and so
just want to ask, like, what would you like to
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lead people with as far as like your current state
of spirituality.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I know it's led you down this wild ride of.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Being in the mismits and then I'm ultimately going outside
of that and so any final words of wisdom from you.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Oh boy, Well, sometimes we find ourselves in God's waiting room, right,
and it seems it's one of the hardest places in
the world to be, Especially for me. There's been many
times where I've lost patience with the Lord and I
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say I'm just doing Michael's doing this now and whenever
whenever I've tried to do things in my own in
my own way, I've always found myself at a place
perhaps that I don't want to be, or situations where
I don't want to be. So when they say, you know,
just give it to the Lord, there's really something to that.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And and we have to you have.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
To have faith that that that the Lord makes all
things work for our good. It says that in scripture
the Lord makes all things work for our good. And
if we believe that, and we hold on to that faith,
and and we we walk down that that narrow path.
(30:37):
It's easy to walk down the big the big one.
It's easy to do that. But we have to humble
ourselves and and and just have faith that that that
that that that the Lord is there for us. And
we follow the spirit, and we listen to the spirit,
and we're going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
We got to let go of this world.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
We have to let go of this world, the material
part of this world.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
We have to let that go.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I tell that to young people all the time, and
that's another thing I pray for, Like the young people
out there. We have to continue to talk about Jesus,
really talk about our spirituality. Put it in all things
that we do, and not be afraid to push back
against you know, the devil, the Luciferian stuff that seems
so cool, but it's not.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
It's certainly not.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, and I know I kind of put you on
the spot there, but that was just so perfect, perfect,
perfectly said, perfect for what I've been feeling lately myself.
Just a great reminder that, yes, being in God's waiting
room is not a fun place to be in, and
a reminder that, yeah, like sometimes we can sit here
and feel sorry for ourselves, but this is what we
(31:50):
signed up for.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We signed up for the narrow road, you know, and
the adventure that.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, nothing, it's not. Life is not comfort stable most
of the time. It's it's not supposed to be. That's
never that's not promised to us comfort and you know,
everything rosy and happy all the time. Sometimes things are,
you know, the way that they are, and it's difficult.
(32:16):
I wouldn't change anything in my life, as difficult and
as rough as it is, because at the end of
the day, you know, it's all going to be good.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
God's got us, Yes, Roman's eight twenty eight. All things
work together for the good to those that know the
Lord and our fault according to his purpose.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, thank you so much, Michael, and I look forward
to speaking to you again real soon.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And again folks.
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Thank you.
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Thanks, Christy, youve it all right.
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And as we gather with family and friends, will not
forget the true source of our joy and our strength.
America has put our trust in God. It will always
be in God. We trust. We will never change that.
You know there's a movement to change it. It will
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that when you hear it.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Look at him.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
He's getting angry and angry. We can get angry too,
can't We have now it's never going to change, and
with God's help, we can overcome every challenge, triumph over
every evil, and restore the spirit of faith in the
United States for generations to come. We have a very
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simple slogan, make America great Again, and that's exactly what
we're doing.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
It certainly does feel much better under President Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I mean, this is a far cry. As we head
into Easter, weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So different than the Biden administration that has transactuals throwing
up their shirts, flashing people running after big stubbed bunnies
or looking for one as you'll recall President Biden doing. So,
We're in a much different place, and so it's great
to have America acknowledging the spiritual end of things and
(35:29):
that we are under God and to talk about that
with me. Is the founder of the Now television network,
and he was labeled by Time magazine as Trump's pastor.
Pastor Mark Burns. So happy to have him with us today.
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Happy to be here as always.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yes, it's been really interesting to hear from Trump. He's
shared his testimony saying that that experience of being almost killed,
almost assassinated has really kind of changed, has resolved. Have
you had an opportunity to speak with him since that
assassination attempt and how that's changed his outlook on things?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (36:05):
I mean again, I spoke to him personally over the
phone right not too long right after that happened, and
then of course we've been in conversation with each other
since then over the phone, and I can tell you
that everything he sends publicly he has said privately about
his faith, his renewed faith in the Lord, and his
faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, this is holy
weak where billions of people around the world have taken
(36:29):
this week aside to worship the true and Living God
and to honor.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
The resurrection power of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
And so it is so refreshing to especially when you
had a previous administration as you just stated, that has
a hard time understanding or what a woman is, answering
the question of what a woman is, and pushing for,
you know, biological men to compete against females, stripping away
(36:58):
female's rights and making it even more easier to abort babies.
And yet we now have a president that understands the
traditional values of the marriage, the traditional values of the family.
There are schools right now in Detroit and Michigan that
still are are breaking the law by pushing their sexual
(37:23):
orientation agenda onto the children's schools. So this president, my
friend of ten years, and this White House is one
hundred percent behind the traditional values that had made America
great and we're getting back to that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, it definitely feels good.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean, Biden always said that he was a Catholic,
But I mean, I don't see any evidence of following
Christ in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And so it's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
How when you recall with the frunt of the White
House lawn look like, with transsexuals and people pulling their
shirts up, I mean, it's just it's such a desecration
for the holiday.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
How do you see this holiday looking differently?
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Well, I mean it clearly. You see what took place
yesterday in the White House. You see that the President
is openly talking about his faith and knowing that he
is giving honor to the living God. Again, our pleasure
of allegiance is intertwined in the name of God. This
nation was founded on judaeo Christian principles. The founding framers
(38:35):
or the founding fathers, majority of them worst seminarian graduates.
And so this nation was founded on these Christian judae
of principles. That has made us great. It's been the
bedrock and the foundation of our nation. And to see
the Biden administration remove itself, to see the Obama administration
remove itself, to see them lining up with organizations that
(38:58):
actively then announced the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
Those that denounce faith in.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
General, and again to to see a president who is
openly bringing it all back to the White House, bringing
it back into the center of American lifestyle. That is
what again made America great and the president slogan is
to make it great again. And part of that is
to is to bring God, to make God uh, to
(39:26):
make God big again here in America. And I believe
that's the revival that that we're starting to see around
this nation.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
And again.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Again you got people who Katie identify what a woman is.
You have people you're seeing transgenders now who are coming
out and they're saying, I was wrong.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
I should have never had these surgeries. This is takes.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
It shows that those who who go through trans transsexual
surgeries bottom surgeries or top surgeries as what they're called
seven sixty seven years later be come suicidal after they
had these changes.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
And so these are.
Speaker 9 (40:04):
Demonic things that that people are pushing onto have been
pushing onto children and pushing onto our society.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
But now we're getting back to normal.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
There's two sexes, there's two genders, there's male and there's female.
There are no cats. There are no dogs humans think
that they're cats. There are no humans think that the
children think they're furry animals, they call them furries. All
of those things are being pushed aside under President Donald Trump,
and we're having the same White House is back again.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Now, I know that there's efforts to bring the Bible
back into the classroom, that the White House has established
a faith office.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
What would you say to those that are.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Pushing again back against these efforts, saying like, oh, no,
that violates the separation of church and state.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Well, I mean, you got to really know what the
Jefferson mean when they said that the separational church of
state was not to keep the government keep religion out
of the government. It was designed to keep the government
out of the religion. And so it was completely about
making sure that religion doesn't overstep our faith. But they
(41:17):
have misconscruted it to making it believe as though that
religion cannot be involved in government or in the public sector.
That is not the case at all. You can go
back and read what it wrote, read what the Jefferson
said when he made that comment and in his letter.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
But the reality of it is this.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
You can trace back to the amount of mass shootings
that took place in America when you saw prayer and
the Word of God being stripped out of the public
school systems, that the hand of God has left our
children in the public school system.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Go back and look at it. There were no mass
shootings like there are now. There were still guns even then.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
But the moment that you took prayer and you took
the Bible out of the schools and it stopped being
at one of the requirements that children were able to early,
children were able to receive, then you could see the
mass killings even more taking place, bullying in the schools,
(42:18):
suicides in the school all because of I believe the
spiritual hand of God has been has come off of
our children and we got to put it back.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, and I know I only have a few more
minutes with you, but wanted to talk to you about
this article that says that new research shows Christianity is
growing in America right now, reversing a downward trend. Now
it reports that after many years of decline, that Americans
who identify as Christian show signs of leveling off. So
at least it is not going down, but it's not
necessarily going up. But the cause for concern is really
(42:56):
the majority of younger Americans are now identifying as non Christians.
So this targeting of youth has really worked. Do you
think what can we do to reach our youth now
and to inspire revival?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Do you think?
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Well?
Speaker 9 (43:12):
Again, Number one is a power prayer. I mean, this
is a supernatural move that has to happen. And I'm
saying it here in South Carolina and in other parts
around the world where young people are crying out to
God that there is a revival that is taking place
now amongst young people. But again, anything set by Heaven
will be contested by Hell. Anything loved by God will
(43:34):
be hated by Saving. And so there's always a contradiction
to what God is trying to do to our young people.
But I also know that in the end, the Book
of Revelations will come to pass. And I'm not doom
in gloom because again there's a resurrection. Remember we're in
the Holy Week. We're talking about the resurrection of the
Lord Jesus Christ. And so the resurrection is proof of
(43:55):
the reward of obedience, right, and so you know, every
act of obedience has a resurrection, and so that means
the Book of Revelations is coming to pass. There's come
a time where the Body of Christ will be in
hiding in America, and it's happening right now in other
parts of the world. Right now, there are pastors in
other parts of the world that are running or hiding
(44:17):
from their in fear of their life being killed.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
And I'm getting these reports.
Speaker 9 (44:23):
All over the world, and I'm traveling all over the
world to help investigate and bring a light to all
of this that is happening. And so again, I just
got back from Ukraine. Seven hundred churches that have been
targeted by the Russian aggressions in Ukraine. My whole heart
had to change significantly about Ukraine because I was on
(44:43):
the ground there. I wasn't paid to go, but the
Holy Spirit the Cross impelled me to say I was
wrong about my attitude towards Ukraine. So when you see
seven hundred churches that are being targeted by Russian when
you hear the three hundred rapes that are happening to
women in congregations by these pastors, and I met with
(45:03):
so many spiritual leaders at the interfaith gathering in Ukraine
where I was the keynote speaker. When you see in
the pastors being assassinated or having their heads shot off
of the back of I mean, these things are happening
right now because there are a strong stance for the
Lord Jesus Christ at the hands of the Russians. So
we know that revelations is going to come to past
(45:25):
is going to get bad, but eventually the resurrection will happen,
and that's where we find joy again. The cross is painful,
but the tomb was temporary. And that's the work that
I have for everybody who sees a decline in Christianity
and in America.
Speaker 7 (45:45):
The resurrection is painful, the cross is painful. We're going
to go through more and more turmoil.
Speaker 9 (45:51):
The Bible is clear, and if we believe in the
Word of God, we know that is true. But we
also know that there's a resurrection, and we also know
that there's a second coming of the Messiah.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
His name is Jesus. And we find joy and peace
and hope.
Speaker 9 (46:04):
And regardless of what happens on this world, in the end,
we will see Jesus. And the Bible says all needs
shall bow, every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord.
And so I get excited about the resurrection, not so
much about the cross.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah. Amen, well, Pastor Mark Burns, thank you so much.
You can follow him on x and check out Mark
Burns dot org. Got to get you off to your
next interview.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But thanks to you. Thank you so much for stopping by.
Speaker 7 (46:31):
God bless you all so much.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I mean interesting that he and I didn't get a
chance to ask him about his change and stands on Ukraine.
But although we may may have differences of opinion on
how we approach Ukraine that whole Ukraine topic, I think
we can all agree in the power of prayer and
praying for the innocent people. That's the problem with these
conversations is we tend to form them around and the
(47:01):
leaders of the different countries, the governments of the countries themselves.
I support the people of Israel, but I don't necessarily
support the government of Israel. I support the people of Ukraine,
but I don't necessarily support President Zelenski, you know. So
we do need to focus on the innocent people that
(47:21):
are caught up in these political tensions and foreign affairs
and continue to pray for them. He also raised a
point of the amount of Christians that are still being
persecuted and not rarely makes any news headlines is the
mass discrimination and mass persecution of Christians. And I'm so
(47:43):
thankful that I was raised to to pray for the
for those to be aware of the continued Christian persecution
of Christians. Like with organizations like Voice of America, sometimes
you have to read articles and that are just heart wrenching,
that are just appalling, but they also give you encouragement, like, Wow,
(48:05):
what a what a thing to have a faith like that,
to have to be in these situations and still have
the faith and the confidence to not reject God, to
not denounce Him. And that's that's the kind of fiery
faith that we are all called to have, is to
stand up and trust in our Lord and Savior no
(48:27):
matter what. And as a pastor, Mark Burns, it says,
to recognize that there is the cross, there is the pain,
but then there is a resurrection.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
What a hope we have in Jesus.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And that's what's so exciting about going into Easter weekend
is that we get to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus,
the symbolism of the reason that we have a hope
to make it to heaven because of Christ's great sacrifice.
There great pain on that cross to take all our
sins upon him so that we can be forgiven, so
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that by grace we can be saved through faith. And
we definitely don't want to gloss over the significance of
that and the power of prayer in that we have
a new administration. Now Trump is certainly not perfect. God
never seems to use perfect characters. I have to do
is look at the many examples in the Bible of
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people he chose to allow to raise up, allowed to
assume that position of leadership. And because Trump, though, is
in that position, he's gonna face not only danger like assassination,
but also the danger of deception. So we need to
continue to pray for Trump that he will be the
(49:43):
honorable man that he's professing to be, that he is
truly following Christ and tapping into the spiritual side of
things and finding strength from Jesus Christ. And we want
to pray for the sincerity of that. I think it's
always a good idea to skeptical. I mean, I remember
I was a huge George W. Bushmand because he said
(50:04):
he wrote his Bible. But you know, since since then,
I the evidence of his fruit is lacking. We'll say,
so we should use our discernment and be skeptical of
just just because someone says they're they're on team Jesus
doesn't necessarily mean that. But let's pray intentionally for those words,
(50:26):
for what he's doing to be authentic, right, to be authentic,
and that a spiritual hedge of protection will will be
around him, and that he can help in what we
all need to be doing, which is bringing glory to
God and bringing more people into the Kingdom of God.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.