Kinks Don't Match End It!-S05E10

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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to mydungeon. Welcome to Caldron and Script.
I'm your host, Master Cultron.If you're to the show, we's are
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zero five or visit the crypt atcaldronscript dot com. In this episode,
we are going to be discussing whatyou do when your kinks don't match.
Well, I've got quite a bitof personal experience in this, and I

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think in the Vanila dating world thatMayfair and I both have a lot of
experience in this. So yeah,how you doing, Mayfair? Good?
How are you? Well? Youmay notice I'm a little bandaged up.
Took a high speed cheese car virtuemy hand. Actually it's a wood carver,
but yeah, it looks just likeit's a cheese grater, and really

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hurt myself, cut through a tendona quarter or three quarters the way through
another tendon, and I got anerve channel in there, and just all
kinds of nasty, disgusting stuff.I'm probably going to have to have surgery
on it. Just waiting to seethe ortho so we can determine this morning

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though, And I won't show youon camera YouTube. Wouldn't like that,
and it might make some people sickbecause it's it's pretty disgusting, even if
you're into the medical stuff. Butit's looking like I may lose it.
I don't know. It looks rough, but I'm right handed and it's my
bird finger on my left hand,so you know, I can live without

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it, but i'd really rather not. Oh, some of my aren friends
wound care or something. Yeah,uh yeah, I worked under your one
care nurse in the nursing home,taking care of everything from stomas to bed

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sores that you could put both yourfists in. And yeah, this one
is just I have a friend whofinds joy in that. So if you
need her to come, like tobreed the wound, you let me know,
only if she's bringing some novacane tonumb it up. Otherwise I wouldn't
be able to take it. Outsideof not being a mascus, it just

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freaking hurts. So yeah, anyway, enough about that. I want to
say as Juni Corn's Angel says HappySunday and Junie, I'm glad you're able
to show up. She's a littleunder the weather today, so having a
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and respect. All right. Thisis August of twenty twenty three. This
is Kinks Don't Match end It,Season five, episode ten. So,
uh, may fair you remember wereyou on the show when we talked to

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Stephen Ing When I talked, okay, I didn't think so, because that's
been some time ago. If you'renot familiar. Stephen ng i n G.
He has a doctorate in psychology PhD. He did a TED talk that
I saw and then I invited himon the show. And it's if you

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do ted talk Magic Sex Number,you'll find it. I highly recommend every
person watched that. Every adult needsto see that. And if you're not
an adult, please go ahead andcheck out. Now we are talking about
adult things, so your preciousness,you don't need to be here if you're
not an adult, but check outStephen Ing Magic Sex Number on YouTube.

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Phenomenal person that Unfortunately, the audioquality in that interview absolutely sucked due to
technical issues on his side, butthe content does make it worth the listen.
If you haven't listened yet, orif you just watch that video,
you'll get the gist of it.But basically, everybody has their own sex

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number. It may be once aday, once an hour, once a
year, once a decade, butit's important that they match up because if
if I'm with somebody that wants ittwice a week and I only want it
once a week, then they wantit twice as much as I do,

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and that's a lot. You know, if you're if you're going to buy
a car and you know your needsfor the car, you can only drive
on four wheels and the car onlyhas two aka a motorcycle, it's not
going to match up to what youneed, or if you have kids and

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there's you know, the seats inthe car, not enough seats. So
a lot of people think, yeah, but it's only one more time a
week than me. Yeah, butit needs to match up. And this
is just part of what we're talkingabout today. So Mayfair, does this
bring to mind anything any of yourpersonal experiences, if you've shared them before,

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it's perfectly fine. We got we'llhave bunches of new people checking this
one out, as they do everyepisode. So what comes to mind when
you think about not matching up withsomebody? I mean, I had the
one guy who was every Monday.That was when we had sex every Monday
afternoon, no other time any othertime than that. Then I'm I'm I'm

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obsessed with sex, and guys don'tfind that attractive. Was what I was
told. Is I want too muchsex and that's just not an attractive feature.
And a girl, is this theone that is still waiting to come
out? It's a ten year one. Yeah, yeah, so I'm pretty

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con advance that. Yeah, there'sthere's some waiting going on there. I
mean, honestly, if you lookat the girls, he stated, and
got stupid over instead of me,because he admitted I wasn't his type.
If if you look at those girls, he is a psychologist, like you

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know, it's not the rarity,it's the This is the example of why
these things are said. He's datingpeople who were just like his mother.
They strung out there, got alot of drug and issues and absent a

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lot. And his mother was twelveyear old boys. I mean his mother
was honestly built about the same way, like she was a very skinny person,
but she was always on a plethoraof drugs. When he was in
school, she would forget to pickhim up and he would have to walk.
It was like an hour drive toschool, and she would she would

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forget him so he would have towalk home and then she would he be
mad at him for being late.Like he is like the stereotype of a
sick of what psychologists would call,you know, girls date their daddies and
state their mommies and Oedipus complex.He's he does that to a te Oh

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god, I know, Uh whenI was, when I was a bit
younger, I had a much muchhigher drive, uh than what I do
now. I don't know if it'saging or finding things that I love more

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or what I know. It's notmy testosterone because I had that checked because
I was really concerned about it.And no, I'm on the higher side
of of what the high scale is. So I think the tests that when
they tested me, it was likefour hundred to twelve hundred. It was
a huge range or something maybe sixto twelve hundred, I don't remember,

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but I was above the high side, are on above the normal high So
but yeah, that that certainly causedan issue because I was And I will
also say, mayfair, there's nothingunattractive about a woman who wants sex.

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It was the guy's own issues,not your issues. Nothing at all unattractive
about that. In fact, mostguys that I know are are aggravated in
their vanilla relationships because women think thatthey should be ashamed and to want sex,

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and so they don't communicate their needsto their partner. And the partner's
just over here saying, you know, I wish you talked to me,
I wish you'd tell me, youknow, let's discuss this. And of
course that goes back to what Ilove about kink, in the open and
honest communication that we're supposed to have. But anyway, what I was getting

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into was I was a three timea day or more kind of person.
There was one girlfriend in every houron the hour. Well, the first
two hours we kind of ran thatsession session together, and then after that
it was every hour on the hourfor twenty four hours. And yeah,

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it was a big drive back then, so that created a lot of issues
and not knowing about or not reallythinking about making sure that I've matched up
because there are some people that justdon't really care about it and others that

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because of circumstances, might not beable to do it. Yeah, Andre
it was. It was every houron the hour for twenty four hours.
It was exhausting, but cool todo it. Rabbit much Cauldren say.
The most I think I've had ina time frame was had sex with a

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guy nine times in like a dayand a half. Nine times in a
day and a half. That's still. That's that's good job. And that
was that was including the four hourdrive to to him and then back to
my house and then the four hourdrive back to his place. So yeah,

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wow, it was a fun weekend, no doubt, no doubt.
Hey, Jackie, y'all are champions. She says, Oh God, of
course you know there are. Mygoal was thirteen and twenty four hour period,

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thirteen times or thirteen different partners becauseporn star. Wow wow wow wow
wow. Anyway, so making thingsmatch up. If I just released the

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Bloodplate episode, which may fair,that actually turned out really good compared to
what I thought it was going tobe. I went through and edited,
Yeah, a lot of it reallywell. I don't know if you've listened
back to it. I know youusually don't. I don't want to hear
myself. Yeah, but I've editedout a lot of the part where I

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disappeared where and had to reset myrouter and oh good you're back. That
was just too cute. I leftthat in there. But rambling on,
yeah, like if blood play beingone of your huge kings, if that

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is not something that somebody else isgoing to be into, would that be
a problem for you if you decidedto enter into a new dynamic. I
don't think so. Like, it'sfun and I do enjoy it, but

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it's not an It's not a necessity. Sex is a necessity for me.
I can't even remember. I thinkit was a TikTok that I've saved where
to find it. But it talksabout how some people there are two styles

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with how people view sex, andI'm sure there's more than that, but
this TikTok in particular was talking like, you know, if we're not being
intimate, I feel like I amthere's a disconnect in the relationship, like
without the sex, I feel verydistant from someone. Hmm, that's yeah.

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I could relate to that this,especially more so in the past.
Uh yeah, And I think there'sa lot of people that feel that way,
and you get into ah so yahn, hello, love and respect from

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Norway, welcome. But I thinkthat there's a lot of people. Of
course, you know the famously thefive Love languages or whatever it is that
people get into, but that intimacy, and there's there's different forms of intimacy.

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Of course, for some people it'sthat just closeness and talking, and
for other people it's a physical actof cuddling or of sex or whatever it
may be. And if it's notthere, then just start feeling like the
relationship has faded away or it's it'snot there. So I can definitely understand

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that are there any Are there anyof the kinks though, other than sex
itself that you think would be Andagain we're talking about a dynamic here,
not just a a relationship. Wasthe definition of sex? Oh? Is
that the achievement or of an orgasmor penetration or just sexual acts? That's

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a good question, junny for mesince I have very very very seldomly orgasm
from sex, because sex is youknow that famous quote that I love so

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much from Oh God, What's hisName? Wrote? Captain's Courageous says that
that everything in life is about sexexcept sex itself, which is about power.
And for me, sex is definitelypower. In fact, there's been
times in my life when I've donethings that are on your list juny sexual

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acts that other people would definitely considera sexual act, and to me it
was just one hundred power or play. So Mayfair, how would you do
you? Do you have a isthe achievement organ of orgasm or penetration or
sexual acts? Do you have astatement on that which one? Any of

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it? I need? The penetrationwith current parties present excluded orgasm was really
kind of my own deal, likeit was very rare for that to happen
with a partner, So it's Ineed that that penetration, I guess,

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like it's it's very important to me. What about orgasm, Yeah, it's
not that important, but the penetrationfor the closeness. Nice, uh that

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answer, because I know it's trueas far as a dynamic goes. Honestly,
the dominance is I think the thingI couldn't the roughness and the dominance,
and that's the only thing that wouldbe I would have to be the

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bottom, I guess is the whatI'm trying to say, I don't want
to be in control. The lackof control and at least sexual aspects.
Yeah, I think I think you'vestated recently, or at least over the
past year a few times that asfar as everything else, you don't really
have much of an interest in insubmission except for bedroom. Yeah. I

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think a lot of it is tiedto bedroom. Yeah, and that's okay.
Like, there's there's a lot ofpeople out there I've I've that feel
that same way, and that's justwhat they want and there's nothing wrong with
that. I think in the pastI've gotten into trouble because people think that

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I've I've poo pooed that, likeyou know, oh, you're just a
bedroom kinkster. But that's never beenmy intention. So let me set that
straight, Like that's a very bigpart of who some people are. Mayfair
being one of those people, Andno, I don't think that there's anything
wrong with that. Like it's yourking, you, you do what fits

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you. But that may fair.As we feel as we talk about this,
feel free to throw anything at methat you care too, Like if
it's a personal thing, uh towardme or whatever, I don't, I
don't care. I'm just going tosay that up front, because you know,
there's a lot of years there todraw from in which I'm not going

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to shoot anything at you that wehaven't already talked about. So don't worry
about that. So all right,what say ye chat room? Let's see.
Ben says certain kinks can definitely besidelined if many others align. I
think it's when more don't than do. Is when I turn away from starting

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a dynamic with another I think there'sa lot of people like that. And
I think a lot of people getinto a dynamic or a relationship, whether
even if it's just a casual partner, and a lot of people want to

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claim that looks don't matter or somethinglike that. But we we for those
of us who have sighted, weuse our vision first. That is how
we see somebody and if there's anattraction there. So I countered that a

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little okay, because there's one guythat in my past I have had relations
with. He was friend for many, many years. He was very obvious
in his feelings for me, butI was like, no, he was

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not attractive to me. But afterwe had been friends for so long and
I was like, you know what, maybe I do care for it.
Maybe, And I tried to domore. I tried to turn it to
more. And during that time frame, like those NRI feelings, like they

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kind of masked that he's actually physicallynot my type at all. Granted they
went away really quickly because the sexwas terrible, but god love, you
know, I hate hearing anybody havingbad sex that that just and like it

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was. It was a very disappointingthing because all the other girls who I
had known around him, who hadhad sex with him, like they bragged
about him to High Heaven. Andnow it's like, maybe I can give
it a shot. And then likeI kind of explored that and like we
would cuddle and like but then yeah, he's he's one of the gentlemen who

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think that sex is ninety eight percent. I'm gonna play with your quit the
whole time. I love him,and I'm just like, stop touching.
It didn't work out. But duringthat moment though, like when we were
trying the fact that he was absolutelynot my type physically, kind of it

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got shaded away. Initially, likemeeting in a bar, I would have
said no, but I do believethat physical stuff. Yes, I absolutely
feel that way. Don't touch it. It's not for play. Don't touch
it. Bullshit, it hurts veryquickly. I mean, do you not

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remember playing with the vibrator and I'mlike, it feels like you're tattooing it.
Yeah, Like it doesn't like alot of activity. It likes the
subtle activity. Ben says, mayfairdefinitely an emotional attraction over the physical attraction.

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I just I wanted to throw thatthat it is possible to not be
physically attracted to someone and have thatYes, and I agree with that.
But initially, we walk into adungeon, we see somebody that we've never
seen before, and we want toplay with them. It doesn't matter which
side of the slash you're on,or if you see their skills, you

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maybe see them playing with somebody elseand you see their style or their skills,
and that's attractive to you. Somethingabout them is attractive that makes you
want to participate in something with them, or the way they look, especially
for guys. I mean, guysare very visual. And so you know,

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a lot of people because of whateverattraction there is there, whether it's
to their mind, their body,their ability, whatever it may be,
try people try to force a relationship. And you know, that's when that's

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when I've seen my friends who havebeen too amazingly beautiful people. We'll say
Travis and NICKI that's not their names, but that's what we'll say. So
Travis and Nikki two amazingly beautiful,beautiful people, and there was a whole

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lot of physical attraction there. Theyhad some things in common, but not
a lot. But when they gottogether other than physically, they just did
not match up and there was somuch butting heads and and it ended up
breaking up our whole, our wholelittle group there because it just created such

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chaos. And you know, Ithink if we're honest with ourselves, I've
been I've been in relationships with peoplethat I should not have been in.
They didn't last very long, thankfully, and honestly usually they were the smarter
of the pair because back when thatwas happening, I was a whole lot

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younger. But you know, recognizingthat and saying being mature about it and
saying, you know this, justthis, just we're two totally different people
and we don't match up. Helloto Subbecs thirteen and of Alfreya and Hope,

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welcome in. Thank you so muchfor stopping in a lot of good
comments on this topic today. Let'ssee where did it go. Physical attraction
is a big first step of itfor me, Ben says. Andre says,
I have an amazing partner, sofair or not for me to take

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on another dynamic. That person hasto be into my needs that I don't
get met now. Yeah, Imean that's kind of one of the points
of polyamory is it's kind of builton a belief that no one person can
fulfill all of your needs, andso you're having those met by other people.

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I mean, you would only haveone friend if you could get what
you needed from only one person,And I don't know too many people,
if any of that just has onefriend Subecs thirteen. Physical attraction is definitely
important. But I've had physical attractioncome after an emotional bond was formed.
Yes, I can relate to thatas well. For me, I'm just

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saying in general, the first theinitial is that attraction, and then you
know, if if you get toknow somebody, you become friends, whatever,
then there may be more there.Junior says. For me, emotional
and mental attraction leads to physical attraction. So, uh, yeah, I

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can't. I can't say that Iknow people who are like that. It
is not that uncommon. Well,I'll say it's it's definitely not rare.
Uh. That's where what being demisexualcomes from, is having to have that
emotional connection with somebody. Beens thesame here, Great Minds of Afreia.

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Physical attraction is essential for Vlfrea.Been agreeing with Andre about the amazing partner
and needing other needs and wants fulfilledif they were to ever enter into something

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with somebody else. So yeah,a lot of great comments. Keep them
coming. You guys are awesome,all right. So when I was thinking
about this, I did find ashort article on this. This is not
the case of find an article doan episode? This was do an episode

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and then found an article completely unrelated, but I want to hit this.
This is a listener question kind ofthing. A reader from a blog by
Eleanor Gordon Smith on June the twentysecond, twenty twenty three. It's called

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I am kinky, but my partneris not. Should I end our secure,
loving relationship? And I did notpost the link to this, but
it will be posted in the shownotes description. I can't post links on
YouTube. I've already got a strikeand I don't want to get another one,
So no more links except for tomy website that I know doesn't have

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any porn on it. So awriter Sounds often says every relationship involves sacrifice.
I'm sorry, let me just readthis. Every relationship involves sacrifice,
writes columnist to Eleanor Gordon Smith.But yours may not be as fulfilling as
you think for either party. Ihave been in a loving relationship for three

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years. When I first met him, I told a close friend that I
thought I'd met the love of mylife. That initial infatuation we know is
we know in the kink world isnew relationship energy NRA. That initial infatuation
gave way to more realistic affection.But he's smart, handsome, and caring.

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I enjoy our time together and feelsecure and trusting. Sexually, things
were enjoyable at the beginning. Theycalm down into a less frantic dynamic,
but we still have sex once perweek. That almost always happens in nearly
every relationship. It starts off onfire, you're doing it all the time,

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and then it slows down. Iam kinky and he is not.
We have discussed this and he doesn'tfeel comfortable doing the things I enjoy.
Initially I thought this would be okay. Relationships always have compromise, but as
time has gone on, I'm notsure it is something I can forego.

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He has made clear that an openrelationship would not be acceptable to him.
I have an anonymous online profile ona kink dating site. I started talking
with someone who shares my interest.We met and the sexual encounter was satisfying
to a level I've never experienced before. We have continued to meet on a

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weekly basis for six months. Neitherparty knows about the other. I guess
both of them are also with otherpeople, so we're talking about cheegers here.
I do not want to end myrelationship, but I cannot live without
this aspect of my sexuality. Ifeel guilty about being unfaithful, but exploring

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in this way has enabled me tostay in the relationship. Should I leave
my partner because of the gap betweenour sexual tastes? Should I give up
my kink desire for what is otherwisea relationship? I would have no reason
to leave. My boyfriend's aggressive doghas stalled our plans to move in together.

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How can we move forward? Sothat's the end of the the uh
question. The question there mayfair.Do you want to comment on that part
of it? Or do you wantme to read the short response and then
comment. She already doesn't really havea loving, trusting relationship. She already

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broke that shit. She says,she feels safe and secure, but the
minute, if she ever actually ownsup to it, she's given her partner
no safety and no security. He'sgoing to leave. Did you see the
boots? Okay? I love youboots? Yeah. And if you've never

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read it on my fet life profile, I did her writing guilty, called
an open letter to a cheater,and and give that a read. Somebody
wrote me and they were basically sayingthe same thing as this person and wanting

(35:15):
me to tell them that what theywere doing was okay. And you're if
you're doing things that lack integrity lackrespect, No, it's not okay.
And I'm not saying I'm perfect orI've never done things without respect, or
I've done a lot of things thatdidn't have respect. The house mado respect

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above all else is that because thatcan be something that I struggle with.
So it's my way of pushing myselfto try to live up to a standard
that I want to achieve, notthat I achieve every day. It's what
I want to achieve, what Idesperately try to achieve. But at the

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same time, you can't make makeexcuses for bad behavior, right, don't
and don't come to to me sayingthat bad behavior is okay or validate you.
It just shows that she was theperson that wrote me as somebody who's
never listened to the podcast. Uhbut anyway, sorry, Mayfair, were

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you done before I went on thatramp? I don't know. I'm laughing
at mister Boots here, yeah Boots, yeah. But when I'm honest,
I get things thrown at me.It's just she's wanting something that she's not

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willing to give her a partner.She wants to stay in this relationship because
it makes her safe and secure.But she's not being truthful. She's not
being honest. And I'm sure thatthere is a time out there someone can
say, oh yeah, I nevergot caught, But nine times out of
ten, the shit comes out,the truth comes out, and you're gonna

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lose both. Because she said thather kink buddy doesn't know about her boyfriend
either, so like she's just lyingto everybody. She's not being honest about
shit, you know. And thisbrings me to something completely well, not
completely off topic, but aside,if I was, if I had kids.
I just heard something the other daythat absolutely astonished me. One in

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three men who are raising children actuallybeing a dad to their kids, not
deadbeat dads, but one in threeare raising children who are were fathered by
somebody else, and the men don'tknow it. One in three. So

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there's a whole lot of cheating goingon out there. And like I knew,
because you figure, you know,how many times can people have sex
and not conceive a baby, Sofor it to be one in three,
that's a that's an astronomical amount,and that was from Oh god, I
can't remember where I got it from. It's a I've checked the source material

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from this site before. It's likePsychology Today or something like that. I
can't remember which one it was.It was a professional site that has no
political leaning. But anyway, Uh, yeah, if I was a parent,

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if as a dad, I woulddefinitely be getting a test done unless
I just did not want to blowup my entire world. Just be honest,
And that's what all the comments comingthrough right now, tons of them
about honesty and not cheating. Jackiesays, also, cheaters are just typically

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so bad at cheating. Y'all arenot as slick as you think you are.
Spoken like a woman who has beenscorned by a cheater before. It's
a special kind of insult to getcheated on in a polyamorous relationship too,
Like all you had to do wasbe honest and you could have fucked whoever

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you wanted, but you couldn't evendo that. Yeah, I agree.
Andre says, Oh my god,that would kill me if I ever found
out that my daughter was not mine. Yeah, so for my presents on
that totally off topic, but ifyou've already been raising the kid, it
doesn't matter about your danny, likethat's your kid, because if it's all

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about the blood quantum, you're saying, adopted kids aren't really your kids either
if you do find out, becauseinevitably someone is going to have that situation.
Mm hmm. You've been there,and you've been there changing diapers,
You've been there crying over skint kneesand first day of school. You are

(40:24):
their dad, blood be damned right. You know, if it's like the
first week or two of the babybeing born, Okay, I can see
bouncing, but like you've already beenthere, like, just fuck it,
it's it's your kid. M No. I agree, And that's why I

(40:45):
say. You know, if ifthings are going great and and and you
don't want to blow your life upor risk blowing your life up, I
definitely wouldn't do it. There's noway in hell. Uh, no way
in hell. Jackie says, mayfaircoming hard with the truth wisdom today Absolutely

(41:08):
Boots says honesty and communication are lowkey superpowers right behind common sense, which
common sense is the greatest superpower.There is definitely the rarest trait in people.
But yeah, that's a truth bomb. Boots. For sure, blood
of the Covenant is stronger than thewater of the womb. Such a way

(41:32):
with words, I think that's howthat the saying actually goes. Yes,
Andrea John says, Andrea, Yeah, that killed me when I found out
another reason I got rid of platethrowing one. Not sure there, Guido

(41:55):
Juice Caldron, can I send linkto stream one to join? Can I
send you the link to the stream? Can we tuito Juice? I do
not know, Guido Juice Weed dojuice? So now I can't. We

(42:17):
typically don't do that. Sorry.If you email me Master Colder at gmail
dot com there's a specific topic thatyou want to discuss, uh, then
we can have a pre interview andpossibly get you onto the show. Andre
says, I agree with you,mayfair. However, if a breakup where

(42:37):
to happen, it would have abig impact on things like child support.
Yes, absolutely, but that's somethingthat every person has to has to make
up their in mind on, youknow. All right, so back on
topic, let me get this responseout. Excuse me. Eleanor's response.

(42:59):
Listen, it's fine to feel thatthis part of your sexuality is something you
can't live without. It's also fineto decide that a relationship isn't going to
work. Because of that, weget to leave relationships when staying would mean
being breath over missing out on somethingthat doesn't get less true just because the

(43:21):
thing in question is sexual. Youcould leave if you wanted kids and your
partner didn't, if you wanted tolive in a particular country and your partner
didn't. Continuing in a relationship isn'tjust a question of whether you like this
person. It's a question of whetheryour lives can really dovetail. But what's

(43:46):
never going to be fine is continuallydeceiving your partner into staying in a relationship
that isn't the way they think itis or the way they want it to
be. You say, your partnerhas been clear that he wouldn't be all
right with an open relationship unbeknown tohim though he's already been in one,

(44:08):
and continuing these meetups is continuing tokeep him in an arrangement you know he
wouldn't be okay with. Your partnerwill be making sacrifices to be in this
relationship. They might differ from thesacrifices that you make in their content and
exact contours. But all of uschange our lives and reorder our priorities to

(44:32):
be in a relationship. So faras I can tell, you're accepting this
person's sacrifices monogamy, commitment, support, cooperation, friendship. He's making considerable
alterations to his life in order tohave a certain kind of relationship with you,

(44:52):
which in fact he is not getting. It is not deviant or selfish
to decide that you have to havethis part of your self satisfied. For
many of us, sexuality isn't anoptional extra to a well lived life.

(45:12):
It's just as crucial of an ingredientin in your well being as friends,
or exercise or time with family.The fact that it is called kink and
gets relegated to the sideline of subculturedoesn't mean you have to relegate it to

(45:32):
the sidelines of your life. Butit's just never going to be the case
that the best thing to do wouldbe to carry on deceiving someone who you
respect, I would say, supposedlyrespects quite quite Aside from the obvious unfairness,

(45:55):
it also won't get you what youwant, not really you want to
feel electric you want you don't wantto keep this part of yourself separate from
the rest of your life forever,so that it's always wrapped up with splintering,
with concealment. You said that thisaside, you'd have no reason to

(46:21):
leave. As I see it,though, you do have a reason to
leave the fact that if you stay, you'll be deciding You'll be deciding your
partner should remain in a relationship ofsignificant deceit instead of finding someone whose preference
about sex and monogamy really do alignwith his. Whether to end this relationship

(46:45):
isn't just a question, isn't justa question of, as you put it,
what you want. So yeah,I definitely agree with that that it
needs to end, and not justbecause of the cheating part. Like you
can take that aspect out of it. This is something that she obviously feels

(47:09):
strongly about that she needs, andthat's okay. You've got to give yourself
permission to to look at a situationrealistically and to be happy to find a

(47:30):
partner that provides you with what youneed. So Boots says, ooh,
hot, take incoming, go ahead. I think she before she started cheating,

(47:51):
she should have sat down and said, look, I know that you've
said you're really not wanting to dothis stuff, but like I need it,
Like this isn't something I can justignore. And if the relationship has
grown from the time you started,maybe he would be more open to trying
something now then at the beginning,because you're at the beginning. Everything's new

(48:12):
and you know you haven't learned eachother as much yet. But if you'd
say, hey, I know wesaid no to all this in the beginning,
but I'm really struggling not having thisin my life, I think she
would have gotten her answer there likeabsolutely no, I can't add that.
Okay, then I need to gobecause this isn't working, or okay,

(48:37):
let's try it well. And obviouslyshe's not one who's good for communication,
so I would I'd be willing tobet some pretty high stakes that the conversations
that she had were very light andshallow on the topic and not really a

(48:59):
true sit down in deep diving.Of course I don't know that, but
from the aspect of which she wroteher in her first yeah, our question,
I just can't see her as beingsomebody that really Sir Junicorn's angel JUNI

(49:21):
knows that I love definitions, soshe put up the definition of sacrifice the
act of giving up something important toyou. Someone else forcing you to give
up what's important to you is notthat. Yeah, and then bootst hits

(49:42):
on something that I was about toget into. People change and evolve and
grow. You aren't the same personyou are twenty minutes or twenty years ago.
Growing as part of being human,Being honest and communication is key.
Most relationships start well, but peoplegrow, and sometimes they grow in different

(50:04):
directions, and that's just part oflife. Love is the amount of sacrifices
you're willing to make before you loseyourself. Yeah. I like that.
I've either heard that exact thing beforeor a different version of it, but
yeah, love is the amount ofsacrifices you're willing to make before you lose

(50:29):
yourself. Pretty damn profound words there, Mayva, he said, I say
that it's mine. No, it'smine. I think it's important to You

(50:52):
can love someone, but you haveto stop before you lose who you are
now. If you want to growand be something better, you can try
to grow together, but you can'tjust Oh, because I love this person,
I'm going to put all of mystuff to the side and make sure
I just take care of them andgive them what they need because you no
longer are a person, then you'rejust an object fulfilling their needs. And

(51:16):
it's important to remember that you haveto love yourself first. Mm hmm.
And I think that's that's the hardestpart for most people. Sorry, go
ahead, It's just it felt importantto throw that out there. Is you

(51:37):
have to you have to have boundariesin place for yourself or you have no
idea who you are and you're goingto do things that you're gonna regret if
you don't know what your limits are. Yeah, yeah, and yeah,

(51:57):
I say this a lot to people. It takes two healthy people to have
a healthy relationship, so that thatself love. And I'm not talking about
a sexual act of self love.Anybody can do that, that's easy,

(52:19):
but actually loving oneself and not tothe point of narcissism or arrogance or cockiness,
but actually just loving yourself. Thatit's hard to do for most people,
but you you have to get tothat point. Boo says, like

(52:40):
I love Cauldron, but he won'ttake me. It's sad, but I
respect those boundaries. Ben says,if you lose yourself in your sacrifices.
That's when resentment begins to grow.Hell yeah one percent. Yeah, well

(53:02):
stated that is that that is definitelywhat builds resentment. I'm putting more into
this relationship than you are. It'sso hard, especially when you've been together
for a long period of time,to say, hey, we've we've grown

(53:24):
over the years and we no longermatch up or what we need is no
longer what we needed, and whenyou can have a mature, honest conversation
about that, it doesn't have tobe a war. That's something that just

(53:49):
about everybody has in common is they'veended relationships and they've been an owl out
war. But it doesn't It doesn'thave to be. There can be if

(54:09):
you really love somebody, then understandingthat you have changed and or the other
person has changed, and being willingto let them go, you know,
and not even wanting them to comeback because you know that if they did

(54:32):
it would it would be to theirdetriment. And you want to see them
grow and thrive and flourish. Youknow that that's love. Andre says called
an interesting question kind of on topic. Can a relationship survive going back to

(54:58):
vanilla after being deep Yes, Yes, absolutely. Can it survive? Absolutely?
Will it survive? The only thingto stop it or the two people
are the people involved. That goesback to what everybody's been throwing in the

(55:22):
comments communication, openness, honesty,maturity, finding your superpowers of common sense,
and being able to discuss things maturely. What do you think about that?

(55:42):
Mayfair? I mean, I thinkwhen we first started talking, you
said that long term DS often turnsvanilla, that it's pretty common. Yeah,
And I also said that a lotof times that is what leads people
to in that relationship is because itturns vanilla and neither person are getting what

(56:07):
they're getting their needs met. ButI think if if just you know,
say two married people they've got aDS dynamic and it's not working out for
them, they're talking about it,they're being mature about it. There's understanding

(56:35):
there because of honesty, and they'renot trying to attack each other. Well
you didn't do this, well,you didn't do that, Well, you
didn't do this. Well you didn'ttell me this when this was going on.
If you would have just told methen I would have known. Well
I did tell you and you didn'tdo anything about it. Did you really

(56:55):
tell me though, or did youhint at it, or did you tell
me in your own way which isnot a way that I understood it,
or I would have made change it. I mean, people get tied up
in this loop of this argument constantly. But if there's honesty, yeah,
I think absolutely they can make itthrough. Yeah. If you're hearing a

(57:22):
high pitched squill coming through, itwas my computer. My alien were revving
up. Fetish artist, Hey gladyou're here. Stephen Kobe, the author
of Seven Habits of Highly Successful People, notes the emotional bank account there is

(57:43):
a point in a relationship where thatcan go into the red Yeah, where
you're not getting the emotional side ofthings met and you're giving more than you're
getting. I remember before it wasreally talked about, and everybody was you
know, our relationships are fifty tofifty and it's a partnership. And then

(58:06):
I'm going to know that doesn't makeany sense because it's two people who have
one hundred percent and sometimes they cangive one hundred percent and sometimes they can't.
And then finally, I guess Iwas a teenager before I ever heard
somebody say, well, it's onehundred and one hundred when when it's even
which is very rare. It's oftendifferent. Sometimes people can give have more

(58:35):
to give, other times they don'thave near as much to give and the
other person has to kind of takeup the slack a little bit. But
you know, people just have becomeinstant gratification and wanting the right now instead
of looking to the future. That'swhy, like for a one K in
investing and things like that are becomingrarer and rarer because we want that instant

(59:05):
gratification and nobody really thinks about thefuture, and the future is is,
hey, we can come back fromthis as long as we do the things
necessary to do that. So mayhave ar any thoughts there, Okay,
well, we got a little bitmore that we're going to discuss. Keep
those questions and comments coming in thechat room. And while the chatroom does

(59:25):
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you want to point out? No, Andre says what. I have no
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there. Yeah, I know,right, we need some conversation topics.

(01:05:54):
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you're worried about the TSA, WhippingStripes has some that are TSA proof,

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purchased some to take back to Englandwith him when he was here for our
event that apparently we have every coupleof years now. So yeah, I
got a lot of questions about itis there going to be another crypt event

(01:07:00):
next year. I don't think therewill be one next year. So but
we'll have to see. You know, you never know what's going to happen
if you're trying to cut off allyour limbs. Maybe yeah. Right.
It's very very expensive for me tokeep that free for everyone. And this

(01:07:21):
year I had a couple I wastalking to a couple of people about it,
and they suggested opening it up tothe locals to come, and the
locals would have to pay an entrancefee. So I don't I don't know
how I feel about that because Ilike the privacy of it. I guess
it'd be something that would be votedon by discord. So Ben says,

(01:07:42):
love love my new toys from WhippingStripes with good the Lord, you bought
enough of them. We could alwaysdo like a local invite only yeah for
a fee. Well, we didn'tget folks that we know are drama,
right, because every community, itdoesn't matter where you are, there are
folks who cause and bring drama.Yeah, it doesn't matter what you're doing

(01:08:05):
in life. There's somebody who callsit dumb shit. Yeah, it doesn't
matter what kind of community you're talkingabout. There's whether it's your work tribe
or your friend tribe or whatever.I was taking someone's blood pressure and she
got up and walked away in themiddle of it because I said it was
high, and she said I wasjust doing it wrong. So like they

(01:08:28):
literally had the cuff around her armand I had the stethoscope to her arm,
and she just got up and walkedaway. And I'm standing there like,
so you know, there's always drama. I just laugh at her.
But you know, before I forgetreal quick, if anybody in town or

(01:08:50):
anybody's in from out of town andthey were planning on joining us at the
Mexican restaurant tonight, we won't bethere. Juny is a little under the
weather, and I am feeling verymuch like I don't want to be in
public today. So we've decided tocancel dinner tonight. It's going to be

(01:09:14):
a ordered door dash or a pizzaor something and watch a movie at home
with the wife and my animals.So I guess the wife would just say
she'd be hanging out with her animals. But wow, all right, so

(01:09:39):
kinks don't match ended I think goahead, be honest. It doesn't have
to match, but you have tobe honest with each other. You have
to really get down and dirty andtalk about This is actually a need,
this is a want. This wouldbe a bonus, like you need to

(01:10:00):
know that about yourself, Like,what do you need out of this relationship,
whether it's a dynamic, whether itis a relationship, a friendship even
of friends with benefits. This iswhat I need. This is what I
would like also, But this isthe basic need. This is like the

(01:10:23):
whipped cream. And then this islike the cherry. Right for a milkshake
you gotta have for milkshake, youhave to have the milkshake. Okay,
this is required to have a milkshake. And then whipped cream. Oh great,
a cherry even better. Don't forgetthe nuts if you're a nut person,

(01:10:43):
No nuts for me, Andre says. Does anybody know if a neon
wand can travel by playing without toomany questions? Yes, you just have
to pack it in your checked baggage. But you can do that. It
shouldn't be a problem at all.John says, Cauldron say self care tonight,

(01:11:09):
then yes, self care very important, very important, And I think
I've tried to show that a lotover the past couple of years with all
the changes to the podcast, howimportant self care is with changing it from
weekly to every other week and orevery first and third and then officially setting
my publishing schedule is two weeks,which I know in the month of June

(01:11:34):
i posted episodes weekly. So butyeah, you know, I never answered
the question is there a kink thatI could have that you could without that
I couldn't do without, And priorto my injury on February the tenth of

(01:12:01):
twenty twenty two, my answer tothat, well, I guess until I
found out what was actually wrong andwhat it was going to take to fix
and how it was going to limitme, I would have to say,
yeah, impact play because it's beena huge replacement for sex for me from

(01:12:25):
that psychological standpoint. People have heardme say before, I'd rather have a
good impact scene because of that energyflow back and forth. Then that need
for sex fulfilled, cause you getkind of tired of giving that act you're

(01:12:48):
all and not physically, you know, the frustration of no release can can
be quite taxing on the mental sideof things, and after so many years,

(01:13:13):
it can really yeah, it canreally be a bother doesn't mean I
don't enjoy it. It just yeah, because again it's it's a power play.
But yeah, I mean that that'sa whole episode itself there. But
yeah, that's important. Which onewe figured out that Mayfair was a spanko

(01:13:40):
loves the spankings. That was like, oh, but then the body still
wouldn't wouldn't get along sometimes before therewas good medication and a good diagnosis even
really, but yeah, I thinkthat would have been one. Now,

(01:14:02):
I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say for a dynamic.
I don't know. I gotta thinkabout that. I had an answer

(01:14:23):
for it, but that was aknee jerk reaction to the question, and
I don't want to put that outthere. Yes, I do have one
actually promo, because that is somuch who I am. If somebody can't

(01:14:45):
if if if they don't understand theprimal side, or if it was somebody
who giggled at a growl like ina like in a ridiculous way, I

(01:15:08):
guess is what I'm trying to say. You know how somebody can say something
and just laugh shaking your head likeoh god that again, Uh yeah,
they didn't. If they didn't understandthat then then that would be a problem,
you think what. I don't know. I feel like I may have

(01:15:29):
giggled at some point with a growl, but not in a laughing at you
manner, but in the okay,let's play. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's cool, that's cool. I mean that that certainly happens.
I mean, it's gonna go.I well, there's again. I've said

(01:15:56):
this so many times, but it'ssomething that in the moment, I don't
even realize that I'm doing it.Like it's just so who I am and
who I've always been sexually since Iwas thirteen, probably younger, when I
was, you know, figuring outmasturbation and this kind of thing. I

(01:16:18):
don't remember doing it, but I'mprobably I'm like ninety percent certain that when
I was just figuring out how mybody worked, it took place then too,
and I didn't realize it. Imean, I was I've told that

(01:16:39):
story before that I went back andasked after somebody said something to me that
other people had said, and asked, what did you mean by that?
And you know, their answer was, well, you get very animalistic,

(01:16:59):
which we know is promm So andreSay's wife keeps saying if he gives giggles,
that's going to hurt, but it'llbe fine. Yeah. Yeah,
So say, before I even reallyunderstood the concept of sex, I liked

(01:17:23):
being bound. I was you know, I've talked about the clothes hangers.
I was doing that before sex waseven a thought in my mind. Yeah,
before somebody goes a different direction withthat, let me address that.
Those clothes hangers that she's referring toare these cool fold up plastic ones that
you can turn into handcuffs real realeasy. I mean they don't lock,

(01:17:46):
but they're they're meant to hold multipleitems, and so you hang it up
with the two hooks and you putyour clothes on and you take the one
hook off and it like tears them, so you're not you're using on a
closet space. Yeah. When theycame out, my grandmother was a huge
as seen on TV buyer, sowe bought them from as seen on TV.

(01:18:10):
But I would like to put myIf you put your hands in the
hooks and the twisted it, itfelt like your hands were stuck because the
hooks they bend, they're hinged,And we had those when I was a
kid. I'd forgot about that.Even as many times as we've talked about
it, I've never remembered. Andthen I just I was picturing my all

(01:18:31):
where the laundry was. It was. I was probably around eight doing that.
And when I say it was avery young eight, I really was.
By twelve. I was still soinnocent that when the sexual abuse happened,
I was like, what that worksthat way? What? Like?

(01:18:58):
I didn't even know that was acontent. I was a very young knive
girl. But I still like thefeeling of being bound. Oh go ahead,
my Fair read that. Andre says, Oh my god, we have

(01:19:21):
those I can't believe and I've neverthought of using them that way. And
because I am a smart ass,please don't take this the wrong way.
But you've been out smarted by aneight year old. This is real snarky.

(01:19:43):
This one is oh shit, allright, Well, we're a few
minutes early, but don't see anythingelse really coming through in the chat.
No questions, good topic today.I think I hope you guys got something
out of it. I've certainly enjoyedthe back and forth with Mayfair and chat
room. Hello. Odie tried towatch services slow at the moment for me,

(01:20:09):
so hey and by, but yeah, I've definitely enjoyed the back and
forth on this conversation today with Mayfairand the chat room, So thank you
guys so much for being around.We will be back here on today's the

(01:20:30):
sixth, so the twentieth of August, and next week for those who are
Patreon producers, we will have amonch at three pm, and which those
mounch is low attendance. There's beenlow attendants, so I'm thinking about dropping

(01:20:51):
those down to once a month insteadof twice a month, unless any buddy
has a real issue with that.Those started out again as a way to
kind of help us all through thepandemic. Here is the reason that we
started doing the weekly and back thenthere was a whole lot of participating because

(01:21:15):
we had nothing else to do butsit at home and lose our freaking minds.
And that's well over with. SoI will see you guys Sunday next
Sunday for the monch, and thenback here on YouTube on the twentieth for
another live episode. May Fair,any final thoughts, anything you want to

(01:21:35):
wrap up with yep, I thinkwe've covered it well in that case.
This has been master Cauldron and Mayfairfor couldronscript dot Com unearthed the Truth Bye
a buddy, good old time sake, say goodbye Mayfair. Bye may Fair.

(01:21:58):
Uh great one know Andrea, thankyou. I really appreciate it.
We do.

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