October 16, 2024 • 16 mins
Phog Lounge & Meteor owner Tom Lucier joins Jon Liedtke on AM800 CKLW to discuss a Windsor Judge ordering an unexpected restitution of $13,000, but not jail, for a serial downtown window smasher, and what problems he sees that most affect the downtown and businesses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Earlier today, we were talking about how a Windsor judge
ordered restitution for that gentleman who went throughout the downtown core.
He had a little bit of a vendetta with some
business owners at the end of twenty twenty two, going
into twenty twenty three, decided to take upon himself to
start throwing some metal bolts through people's front windows, smashing them.
(00:23):
Shattering them wasn't great whatsoever, caused thousands upon thousands upon
thousands of dollars in damage. It was reported that the
guy has addiction issue, substance issues, that he is on disability,
that he probably won't be able to pay back the
restitution that's been ordered of thirteen thousand dollars for the
(00:44):
window and door repair claims, but that he has agreed
to go to rehab. Some people are left asking the question, though,
of what happens to the businesses who had their windows broken.
They still had to reach into their pockets, pull out
their wallet and go pay for it. They can't just
go to the write it off money tree and pick
off some bills, right Tom Lusier, owner of Fog Lounge.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Downtown, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, people like to think that writing things off is
just makes it all perfect and easy, But such is
not the case. You had to deal with this yourself, right, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, it's funny because in November, during with the film festival,
somebody else in broad Daylight, I'd say ten am shattered
like our biggest window, and there's a big uproar, and
people wanted to spend money, their money to fix it,
(01:39):
and I said, we can't do this. This is totally
pointless to do when the core problem isn't being addressed
and this kind of activity happening downtown is going to
happen again. And when that window breaks again, are you
how angry are you going to be that you've given
me your hard earned money to fix this thing when
(01:59):
the real problems been you know, basically brushed under the
rug for such a long time and really not addressed
properly on a grand scale with like you know, provincial
dollars and actually trying to help help people that are
out there struggling. And the gentleman that was just was
(02:20):
just punished in court. I would say. Five weeks later,
he shot a both that hit my same front window
that I did not pay to repair intentionally because I
guess I had a sixth sense that this was literally
going to happen again, and it did. I didn't put
(02:42):
an acclaim at all, and I found out about the
perpetrator having done this till like fifteen or sixteen other
businesses after the fact. But I guarantee that that's what happened.
It was like a puncture, almost looked like a bullet
hole right in that front window, which wasn't there in November,
(03:02):
but it was there in late December. So yeah, it's
disheartening because as a small business owner, that window is
still sitting there the way it was. It has not
been replaced and it was. It's probably going to cost
somewhere in the range of like two thousand dollars just
from my one window.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a lot of money. I remember when that happened,
when it was during with you said, Tom, outside of fog,
there was a security guard sitting overnight right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
On the other block. I believe, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So it's not a matter of even I guess the
policing in this sense. It's as you said, it's these
underlying issues, the need for federal dollars for provincial dollars
to flow down to help with the underlying issues, the
mental health supports, the addiction supports, the drug supports.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean that's the process of you know, trying
to just keep your doors open. Any small business owner,
I'm sure there are thousands that are listening right now.
You have these intangibles beyond staffing and whatever that are
so difficult just to stay open. And I've done it
in an hour. Downtown the declining still declining, mind you, Downtown,
(04:12):
despite restore the core or whatever the heck it is.
It's so difficult after twenty one years that a thing
like this happens, and it's it's impossible to recover from
a thing like that without special help. Because if you
want to get some dollars from like the programs like
the BIA, who will help kind of repair your window.
(04:33):
I think it's like it's it's a it's a it's
a pittance that you are offered in comparison to the
cost of a window. And then you need to get
a police report to prove that it was a crime,
which you have to pay for, by the way, So
you got to you have to make time to go
get the police report, pay for it, and then that's
(04:56):
you still eat that cost and you know, to get
four hundred dollars or three hundred dollars or something toward
a fifteen hundred dollars window. It's such a pain. Again,
if the city, or you know, if the costs of
these things were put elsewhere, I'm sure money would be
spent a little bit differently to defer that, to avoid
(05:17):
these kinds of instances happening. Because again, the downtown at
certain times of the day and night are so dismally empty.
It's the wild left. There's there's no problem getting away
with the crime down there. It does not matter about
the extra money for the police Ingram. Sorry, you can't
be everywhere at once. There's no Batman action in downtown Windsor.
(05:42):
And the main issue is you've got a lot of
hurting people and the organizations that are put in place
to take care of them can only do so much
because there is enough money. And the downtown is completely
empty because we've got landlords that don't want tenants, and
so it's you know, it's a ghost sound.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It is a bit of a cycle there. How do
you feel about the fact that the justice ordered thirteen
thousand dollars in restitution, but everybody agrees that the guy's
not going to be able to pay it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Man, these punishments that we hear about that everyone you know,
listens to on the radio and paper, you are not.
It is so clear from people who are like on
the ground every day, kind of in the nitty gritty.
I'm not saying I'm mister Joe Street smart, but I am.
I'm on the ground level or below every day. And
(06:37):
when I hear a thing like that, it's so out
of touch with what is needed. I don't think anyone
listening is like, well that sounds fair. What nice gentleman
now is you know, rehabilitated he'll pay that. No, no way.
Small business owner hears that and is like, oh god,
I'm never seeing a dollar of that restitution. And it
(06:58):
would be much better if it was like like a
Seinfeldian solution where you have to be my butler. It's
like you should have to clean my bathrooms every day
for a month and then like at three in the
morning after a busy night, and then you have to
go do it for another month for the next the
(07:20):
next business, and then another month for the next business.
Like that work that money off somehow. Because the solution
of oh yeah, let's let's just get this guy to
pay with no other with no other punishment is ridiculous.
I mean, it's better than just letting him completely off
the hook. But it isn't going to happen. If anyone
(07:42):
knows the history of this particular character, this is a
person who makes bad decisions, whether they are addicted to
drugs or have a mental illness. This is someone who's
been doing this for like twenty five years. FYI. I
mean that the person's name was published I don't know
(08:02):
how many months ago or years ago, and if you
did a quick Google search, it was like, oh wow,
this is this is someone that has been doing this
since their twenties, not just in turn fifty five and
found a slingshot and thought this will be fun. So
this is a this is a person that the recidivism
is almost certain, and they're not going to pay it
(08:24):
any had on money. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you'll be heartened to know that. Mike Kaycook on
Mornings with Mike and Meg suggested the Butler answer as well,
you're kidding. No, he absolutely did. He was one hundred
percent in on it, and he said that that was
something he thought would work We've had people that have
texted in saying, hey, the guy should go and have
to clean the dishes until he pays it off, or
shovel the snow or wash the windows. So it seems
(08:48):
like you'd be down with some kind of a community
service punishment where the community service was repaid to the
business owners that were affected.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Look, dude, I mean the it's really hard to say
what's what's useful. You want the person who went and
got the help, right, got rehab and whatever, because that
is like the bare minimum. It still leaves these these
pits in the bank accounts of the businesses if they
(09:19):
did end up dealing with it. Although I see a
few of the people who had the windows broken did not.
They decided to, you know, tape it up and push
forward the way I did because of the fear of
the same thing happening. Right, So that that cycle just
sucks so much when you are so disheartened and dejected
(09:41):
because you know something like this is probably just going
to happen again. I don't know, it's it's just a
real maddening thing. I mean, it's not the first time
that this has happened to me. I would say there
was a there when there was a bar open on
the corner of Polisher and University. Somebody got in a
fight at this nightclub and then just decided to come
(10:02):
and kick my door in glass door, got arrested, the
whole deal, the whole punishment. Here's the case number. Call
us so we can try and get money for you.
Of course that didn't happen like that didn't happen back then.
That was like, you know, probably nine ten years ago,
and it's not going to happen now for the people
who had this happened in them. It's again it comes
(10:26):
down to it being systemic. Now these problems aren't about
one guy who's going and doing this, and it's not
about handing down proper punishments to prevent people from doing this.
It's all it's going to keep happening because the root
cause isn't being addressed properly. Period.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So fog is obviously moving out of the core and
to Erie Street. And the main reason that you've talked
about is, of course, you know, increase in rent by
landlords who ended up purchasing the building. But I wonder
if you know the state of downtown and this type
of crime has anything to do with it as well.
I mean I don't. I don't think that this would
have been like the main reason for you to leave.
(11:03):
But I have to think like it's on your mind,
going like, oh, I hope I don't have to deal
with this anymore at least, I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's gonna be everywhere. The place we're moving to is
not very far. It's one point seven kilometers from where
we are. We're basically in the same neighborhood, we have
the same counselor. It's it's I kind of feel good
in that way that I'm not too far from our roots.
But we are all kidding ourselves, especially elected officials and
(11:33):
BIA heads, if we are not going to believe the truth,
which is people are afraid of windsors downtown. They do
I think they should be afraid. No, I don't. I'm
down there constantly. The people that are down there that
are troublesome or that are unsavory, are so trying to survive.
(11:56):
Let's say ninety nine point nine percent of them. It's
it's and it doesn't look good, and it doesn't feel
good to encounter it and encountering mental illness because you
want to go have dinner or you want to go
see a show, and it's like right in your lap.
But for us to pretend that that isn't what's driving
people into other neighborhoods to open their businesses or just
(12:18):
to spend their money is so it's so silly. It's
such an obvious thing. Speak to anyone about what is
preventing them from coming down to and they tell you
it's like, I don't know why this is being This
is not the most pressing thing when every win's are
right that I talk to that says, oh, I haven't
been downtown in eight years. It's not because of COVID.
(12:41):
It's of the main issue that is in the news constantly.
And then we get people who have the powers that
be that can spend and guide dollars to the right places,
who just had their talking points, and the money is
not going the right spot, you know where it's going.
We're getting a new that won't even be able to
(13:01):
freeze because Windsor, Ontario hasn't had three snowfalls in ten
winters combined. But we're going to have million dollars skating
rink at city Hall. Like these things really do anger
Windsor rights because they see it for what it is.
You know, these legacy projects spending millions in places where
(13:23):
we need millions of dollars to help in all these
other places. We have gone over this so many times, John,
I mean the issues are cyclical because the landlord issue
that we haven't even touched on is I think the
number one issue downtown, and that's not still not being addressed.
There is still no punishment or checks and balances for
(13:45):
having an empty space, whether it's intentional or unintentional. And
it's the scourge of downtown is having empty space, and
that all comes down to landlords, which might be actually
you know, hurting. The landlords could possibly be struggling because
there's not funding in place to help them with rising costs,
(14:08):
et cetera. But these are these are the issues downtown.
Like it's there's several of them. It's the daisy chain
connected problem. You can't just solve one that you have
to chip away at all of them. You know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It seems like if you could just get everyone around
a table to have some conversations with people like you,
to say like, hey, what's wrong, what do you think
can be done? The answers are there. But I guess
it comes down to that that one pesky saying show
me your budget and I'll show you your priorities.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Right. Oh, that's a good thing. I mean, I wish
I was more learned in terms of policy and how funding,
you know, really works. I'm not that guy. I'm the
guy on the ground who has very good observation skills,
and I know what might till looks like at the
end of every night, and I know what is happening
in the street down there, and anyone when we hear
(15:00):
about increased police presence, I'm sure people at home think,
you know, you would notice. You don't notice. You don't
see anything any difference whatsoever when you're down there every day.
There might that might be different for people on O
that avenue. Maybe maybe that coverage is glued to that
(15:20):
mean thoroughfare. But again, the issues are so broad and interconnected.
You can't just throw money at one of them. I e.
Police officers, who I love. Man. They call, they come
when I call, and they solve lots of problems for me,
which happens I would say on a weekly or bi
weekly basis, unfortunately. But it's it's this huge issue. It's
(15:41):
it's so many issues tied together, and no, I don't.
I'm not politically involved for a lot of good reasons
enough to know the ins and outs of how that
money is being misspent and how somebody in the room
could go, Hey, isn't there like a major issue now
right now with X, Y or Z, Like, I don't
(16:01):
know how it's not being brought up in those moments
when the dollars are on the table. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, we'll keep asking those questions and trying to get
to the bottom of it. But Tom, until then, I'm
sure we'll speak again at some point.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yet, we're down there till the end of December, and
I'm going to try and enjoy every minute of it
despite all of this.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There you go, Hey, check out fog Lounge while you can,
and it's downtown location until the end of December. Tom Lucier,
owner Fog Lounge, coner METI or thank you so much
for your time. Thanks man, cheers, all the best.
Earlier today, we were talking about how a Windsor judge
ordered restitution for that gentleman who went throughout the downtown core.
He had a little bit of a vendetta with some
business owners at the end of twenty twenty two, going
into twenty twenty three, decided to take upon himself to
start throwing some metal bolts through people's front windows, smashing them.
(00:23):
Shattering them wasn't great whatsoever, caused thousands upon thousands upon
thousands of dollars in damage. It was reported that the
guy has addiction issue, substance issues, that he is on disability,
that he probably won't be able to pay back the
restitution that's been ordered of thirteen thousand dollars for the
(00:44):
window and door repair claims, but that he has agreed
to go to rehab. Some people are left asking the question, though,
of what happens to the businesses who had their windows broken.
They still had to reach into their pockets, pull out
their wallet and go pay for it. They can't just
go to the write it off money tree and pick
off some bills, right Tom Lusier, owner of Fog Lounge.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Downtown, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, people like to think that writing things off is
just makes it all perfect and easy, But such is
not the case. You had to deal with this yourself, right, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, it's funny because in November, during with the film festival,
somebody else in broad Daylight, I'd say ten am shattered
like our biggest window, and there's a big uproar, and
people wanted to spend money, their money to fix it,
(01:39):
and I said, we can't do this. This is totally
pointless to do when the core problem isn't being addressed
and this kind of activity happening downtown is going to
happen again. And when that window breaks again, are you
how angry are you going to be that you've given
me your hard earned money to fix this thing when
(01:59):
the real problems been you know, basically brushed under the
rug for such a long time and really not addressed
properly on a grand scale with like you know, provincial
dollars and actually trying to help help people that are
out there struggling. And the gentleman that was just was
(02:20):
just punished in court. I would say. Five weeks later,
he shot a both that hit my same front window
that I did not pay to repair intentionally because I
guess I had a sixth sense that this was literally
going to happen again, and it did. I didn't put
(02:42):
an acclaim at all, and I found out about the
perpetrator having done this till like fifteen or sixteen other
businesses after the fact. But I guarantee that that's what happened.
It was like a puncture, almost looked like a bullet
hole right in that front window, which wasn't there in November,
(03:02):
but it was there in late December. So yeah, it's
disheartening because as a small business owner, that window is
still sitting there the way it was. It has not
been replaced and it was. It's probably going to cost
somewhere in the range of like two thousand dollars just
from my one window.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a lot of money. I remember when that happened,
when it was during with you said, Tom, outside of fog,
there was a security guard sitting overnight right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
On the other block. I believe, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So it's not a matter of even I guess the
policing in this sense. It's as you said, it's these
underlying issues, the need for federal dollars for provincial dollars
to flow down to help with the underlying issues, the
mental health supports, the addiction supports, the drug supports.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean that's the process of you know, trying
to just keep your doors open. Any small business owner,
I'm sure there are thousands that are listening right now.
You have these intangibles beyond staffing and whatever that are
so difficult just to stay open. And I've done it
in an hour. Downtown the declining still declining, mind you, Downtown,
(04:12):
despite restore the core or whatever the heck it is.
It's so difficult after twenty one years that a thing
like this happens, and it's it's impossible to recover from
a thing like that without special help. Because if you
want to get some dollars from like the programs like
the BIA, who will help kind of repair your window.
(04:33):
I think it's like it's it's a it's a it's
a pittance that you are offered in comparison to the
cost of a window. And then you need to get
a police report to prove that it was a crime,
which you have to pay for, by the way, So
you got to you have to make time to go
get the police report, pay for it, and then that's
(04:56):
you still eat that cost and you know, to get
four hundred dollars or three hundred dollars or something toward
a fifteen hundred dollars window. It's such a pain. Again,
if the city, or you know, if the costs of
these things were put elsewhere, I'm sure money would be
spent a little bit differently to defer that, to avoid
(05:17):
these kinds of instances happening. Because again, the downtown at
certain times of the day and night are so dismally empty.
It's the wild left. There's there's no problem getting away
with the crime down there. It does not matter about
the extra money for the police Ingram. Sorry, you can't
be everywhere at once. There's no Batman action in downtown Windsor.
(05:42):
And the main issue is you've got a lot of
hurting people and the organizations that are put in place
to take care of them can only do so much
because there is enough money. And the downtown is completely
empty because we've got landlords that don't want tenants, and
so it's you know, it's a ghost sound.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It is a bit of a cycle there. How do
you feel about the fact that the justice ordered thirteen
thousand dollars in restitution, but everybody agrees that the guy's
not going to be able to pay it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Man, these punishments that we hear about that everyone you know,
listens to on the radio and paper, you are not.
It is so clear from people who are like on
the ground every day, kind of in the nitty gritty.
I'm not saying I'm mister Joe Street smart, but I am.
I'm on the ground level or below every day. And
(06:37):
when I hear a thing like that, it's so out
of touch with what is needed. I don't think anyone
listening is like, well that sounds fair. What nice gentleman
now is you know, rehabilitated he'll pay that. No, no way.
Small business owner hears that and is like, oh god,
I'm never seeing a dollar of that restitution. And it
(06:58):
would be much better if it was like like a
Seinfeldian solution where you have to be my butler. It's
like you should have to clean my bathrooms every day
for a month and then like at three in the
morning after a busy night, and then you have to
go do it for another month for the next the
(07:20):
next business, and then another month for the next business.
Like that work that money off somehow. Because the solution
of oh yeah, let's let's just get this guy to
pay with no other with no other punishment is ridiculous.
I mean, it's better than just letting him completely off
the hook. But it isn't going to happen. If anyone
(07:42):
knows the history of this particular character, this is a
person who makes bad decisions, whether they are addicted to
drugs or have a mental illness. This is someone who's
been doing this for like twenty five years. FYI. I
mean that the person's name was published I don't know
(08:02):
how many months ago or years ago, and if you
did a quick Google search, it was like, oh wow,
this is this is someone that has been doing this
since their twenties, not just in turn fifty five and
found a slingshot and thought this will be fun. So
this is a this is a person that the recidivism
is almost certain, and they're not going to pay it
(08:24):
any had on money. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you'll be heartened to know that. Mike Kaycook on
Mornings with Mike and Meg suggested the Butler answer as well,
you're kidding. No, he absolutely did. He was one hundred
percent in on it, and he said that that was
something he thought would work We've had people that have
texted in saying, hey, the guy should go and have
to clean the dishes until he pays it off, or
shovel the snow or wash the windows. So it seems
(08:48):
like you'd be down with some kind of a community
service punishment where the community service was repaid to the
business owners that were affected.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Look, dude, I mean the it's really hard to say
what's what's useful. You want the person who went and
got the help, right, got rehab and whatever, because that
is like the bare minimum. It still leaves these these
pits in the bank accounts of the businesses if they
(09:19):
did end up dealing with it. Although I see a
few of the people who had the windows broken did not.
They decided to, you know, tape it up and push
forward the way I did because of the fear of
the same thing happening. Right, So that that cycle just
sucks so much when you are so disheartened and dejected
(09:41):
because you know something like this is probably just going
to happen again. I don't know, it's it's just a
real maddening thing. I mean, it's not the first time
that this has happened to me. I would say there
was a there when there was a bar open on
the corner of Polisher and University. Somebody got in a
fight at this nightclub and then just decided to come
(10:02):
and kick my door in glass door, got arrested, the
whole deal, the whole punishment. Here's the case number. Call
us so we can try and get money for you.
Of course that didn't happen like that didn't happen back then.
That was like, you know, probably nine ten years ago,
and it's not going to happen now for the people
who had this happened in them. It's again it comes
(10:26):
down to it being systemic. Now these problems aren't about
one guy who's going and doing this, and it's not
about handing down proper punishments to prevent people from doing this.
It's all it's going to keep happening because the root
cause isn't being addressed properly. Period.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So fog is obviously moving out of the core and
to Erie Street. And the main reason that you've talked
about is, of course, you know, increase in rent by
landlords who ended up purchasing the building. But I wonder
if you know the state of downtown and this type
of crime has anything to do with it as well.
I mean I don't. I don't think that this would
have been like the main reason for you to leave.
(11:03):
But I have to think like it's on your mind,
going like, oh, I hope I don't have to deal
with this anymore at least, I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's gonna be everywhere. The place we're moving to is
not very far. It's one point seven kilometers from where
we are. We're basically in the same neighborhood, we have
the same counselor. It's it's I kind of feel good
in that way that I'm not too far from our roots.
But we are all kidding ourselves, especially elected officials and
(11:33):
BIA heads, if we are not going to believe the truth,
which is people are afraid of windsors downtown. They do
I think they should be afraid. No, I don't. I'm
down there constantly. The people that are down there that
are troublesome or that are unsavory, are so trying to survive.
(11:56):
Let's say ninety nine point nine percent of them. It's
it's and it doesn't look good, and it doesn't feel
good to encounter it and encountering mental illness because you
want to go have dinner or you want to go
see a show, and it's like right in your lap.
But for us to pretend that that isn't what's driving
people into other neighborhoods to open their businesses or just
(12:18):
to spend their money is so it's so silly. It's
such an obvious thing. Speak to anyone about what is
preventing them from coming down to and they tell you
it's like, I don't know why this is being This
is not the most pressing thing when every win's are
right that I talk to that says, oh, I haven't
been downtown in eight years. It's not because of COVID.
(12:41):
It's of the main issue that is in the news constantly.
And then we get people who have the powers that
be that can spend and guide dollars to the right places,
who just had their talking points, and the money is
not going the right spot, you know where it's going.
We're getting a new that won't even be able to
(13:01):
freeze because Windsor, Ontario hasn't had three snowfalls in ten
winters combined. But we're going to have million dollars skating
rink at city Hall. Like these things really do anger
Windsor rights because they see it for what it is.
You know, these legacy projects spending millions in places where
(13:23):
we need millions of dollars to help in all these
other places. We have gone over this so many times, John,
I mean the issues are cyclical because the landlord issue
that we haven't even touched on is I think the
number one issue downtown, and that's not still not being addressed.
There is still no punishment or checks and balances for
(13:45):
having an empty space, whether it's intentional or unintentional. And
it's the scourge of downtown is having empty space, and
that all comes down to landlords, which might be actually
you know, hurting. The landlords could possibly be struggling because
there's not funding in place to help them with rising costs,
(14:08):
et cetera. But these are these are the issues downtown.
Like it's there's several of them. It's the daisy chain
connected problem. You can't just solve one that you have
to chip away at all of them. You know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It seems like if you could just get everyone around
a table to have some conversations with people like you,
to say like, hey, what's wrong, what do you think
can be done? The answers are there. But I guess
it comes down to that that one pesky saying show
me your budget and I'll show you your priorities.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Right. Oh, that's a good thing. I mean, I wish
I was more learned in terms of policy and how funding,
you know, really works. I'm not that guy. I'm the
guy on the ground who has very good observation skills,
and I know what might till looks like at the
end of every night, and I know what is happening
in the street down there, and anyone when we hear
(15:00):
about increased police presence, I'm sure people at home think,
you know, you would notice. You don't notice. You don't
see anything any difference whatsoever when you're down there every day.
There might that might be different for people on O
that avenue. Maybe maybe that coverage is glued to that
(15:20):
mean thoroughfare. But again, the issues are so broad and interconnected.
You can't just throw money at one of them. I e.
Police officers, who I love. Man. They call, they come
when I call, and they solve lots of problems for me,
which happens I would say on a weekly or bi
weekly basis, unfortunately. But it's it's this huge issue. It's
(15:41):
it's so many issues tied together, and no, I don't.
I'm not politically involved for a lot of good reasons
enough to know the ins and outs of how that
money is being misspent and how somebody in the room
could go, Hey, isn't there like a major issue now
right now with X, Y or Z, Like, I don't
(16:01):
know how it's not being brought up in those moments
when the dollars are on the table. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, we'll keep asking those questions and trying to get
to the bottom of it. But Tom, until then, I'm
sure we'll speak again at some point.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yet, we're down there till the end of December, and
I'm going to try and enjoy every minute of it
despite all of this.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There you go, Hey, check out fog Lounge while you can,
and it's downtown location until the end of December. Tom Lucier,
owner Fog Lounge, coner METI or thank you so much
for your time. Thanks man, cheers, all the best.
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