September 10, 2024 • 9 mins
Jon Liedtke joins the Jerry Agar Show for Party For Two and we discuss some of the big stories of the day, including former Bank of Canada and Bank of England Governor Mark Carney joining the Liberal Party as a special advisor, an analysis of the NDP and Jagmeet Singh ending the Supply and Confidence Agreement with the Liberal Party of Canada, the Bloc Québécois' and upcoming by-elections, and social media regulations relating to social media and pornography.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's get this party started. I love party. We're having
a big party.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thanks for being along and joining me at the party table.
Radio and podcast host at c k l W A
eight hundred in Windsor, John Lightke.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good morning, Good morning, Jerry. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm well, you know, do I say your last name correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's lid Key. But I'm not gonna drive up all
the way to the four one to Toronto and get
out at you.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, but I might come through Windsor someday and you'll
be waiting for me.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what I'm worried about. There you go, that's the issue.
For sure. You can't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You'll ask Melissa or Kakook tell me when he's coming.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's what we call her the General.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know you do, General Schultz. All right, So former
Bank of Canada Governor Mark Karney joining the Liberal Party
as a special advisor. I look at this and think, uh,
I don't know, justin do you want to let the
fox into the henhouse.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm just laughing and laughing and laughing at all of this.
I mean, is this the session training? We could hit
up HBO and try to get some advice from Brian Cox,
But you know, I look at this and I just
wonder you Already Pier pauliev is coming out and attacking
Mark Karney and saying he's going to sell out Canada
and destroy the resource sector, and it's like you had
to have expected that this is what's going to happen.
(01:27):
The guy is the former governor of the Bank of Canada,
the former governor of the Bank of England. He's as
elitist as you could get. To me. This is like
a hot night through hot butter.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, And I don't know that he would succeed should
he become the new leader of the Liberal Party. I
don't know why he'd want to be involved if he isn't.
He has the name recognition and the haft maybe, but
I don't know that he can galvanize the public. I
was talking to John Moore about this this morning. You know,
he just I don't know, he doesn't seem to light
(01:59):
it up. I get why people thought Trudeau was all
bright and new and shining, hip and young and our
version of JFK, you know, that kind of thing. They've
soured on him now. But I don't know that that
kind of vision is going to come with if the
message is being put forth by Mark Karney. But anyway,
it'd be interesting to see there's a long time apparently
till the election, and in fact saying that do you agree?
(02:20):
People are now looking at something that I said and
people laughed at off and now I'm starting to see
articles about it. And that is what difference does it
make that jug Neat saying is saying he's tearing up
his agreement to support the Liberals because you've got the
block who have more MPs than the NDP does and
the block I think is already angling, Hey, what can
(02:42):
we get for Quebec.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's clear that we are approaching an election. We are
in the midst of silly season right now. This is
a there's a lack of substance to what jug Meets
Singh has done. We all know that he's not going
to actually vote non confidence and trigger an election until
at least February of next year or when he becomes
eligible for his pension. Absolutely, I mean the block here
(03:04):
is angling and saying, look, we'll be able to get
a few things for ourselves here. And what benefit is
it to judge meet Thing to have given up any
of the power except to maybe distance himself. If you're
the Prime Minister Trudeau and you're looking at a willing
dance partner in the block, why not throw them a
couple extra one hundred million dollars and make sure that
you have senstability until you're ready to go to the election.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, and I don't think that would be tough for
Justin Trudeau to do either, because I think we've seen
indications of where he's favorable to Quebec anyway exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I mean, this is the guy who is relying on
a strong Quebec vote.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now, we do have some by elections coming up. It's
actually Monday the sixteenth, and this report from the Star
ahead of a highly contested by election in Montreal and
NDP candidates leaflet is illustrating the stark division in Canadian
politics over the war in Gaza. And this is a
guy named Craig Salvey. He's running in one of the
(03:57):
ridings in Montreal and he was the city council. But
he's putting out material that shows himself with a Palestinian flag.
First of all, what's that got to do with the
Canadian politics? And secondly, I think a lot of people
are going to look at this and say you pick
the Hamas side of the debate.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, it's very revealing right now when you look
at leftist and MDP and traditional union type groups and
they're launching themselves and wrapping themselves around this issue right now. Meanwhile,
Canadian support for the Palestinian cause, if you will, as
roughly around the same levels as the NDP are nationally.
(04:36):
So just from a political perspective, I don't see the
benefit to it now. I can't speak directly to how
the electoral politics and those specific by elections are, but
if you look at how things are going more nationally
in terms of this issue, Canadians don't seem to want
to focus on this. Canadians want to focus on their
pocket books. They want to focus on their economic prospects
(04:57):
or an employment, not something that is six thousand miles
away on the other side of the world. That quake
frankly doesn't have much bearing on our domestic politics. So
I think it's poor political posturing. But you know, we'll
see how it goes for them. But I think it's
the kind of thing that you're not able to walk
away from.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, well it seems racist to me as well, anti jew,
but that's never been a problem in the NDP. Unfortunately,
I was talking with people a little earlier. Some agreed
with me, some did not. Australia is looking at an
age limit for the use of social media. My position,
maybe John, you'll disagree with me, but my position was,
(05:35):
you pass a law when that law has a reasonable
chance of being effective. I don't see that this law
would do that. So it's going to have to come
down to parenting because keeping kids off anything on the
internet seems impossible to me, and just passing a law
and shaking a finger and saying, hey, you're only fourteen,
you can't use TikTok, whatever comes down to.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean what you said right as enforcement, how are
you going to actually police and ensure that they are
not using it when they're not allowed to be. Are
you going to mandate the use of government identification to
be able to create a social media account to be
able to log in? Are we going to use the
camera to verify who the person is and use some
artificial intelligence and algorithms. I mean, this is the same
(06:16):
debate that it comes down to when you have a
right leaning politicians that say let's go band pornography online
or create an age limit where you can access it.
How the heck do you have a government bureaucracy big
enough to be able to deal with that while also
purporting to be living in a freedom ography.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I've told this story before, I'm going to tell a
real short version of it. There was a school board
in Raleigh, North Carolina, where I first started doing talk radio,
and they were concerned, as they should be, about kids
access and accessing porn on school computers. So they bought
this really expensive software. And then somebody contacted me and said,
it's not going to do anything, and so I did
(06:53):
an experiment on air. I had young guys, high school
age guys apply to be a part of this, and
they had to bring a parent with them in order
to do this. But we set computers up, we put
the very software the school system had purchased on the computers,
and then we came up with the We came up
with the name of a porn site and the and
(07:13):
that's why the parents had to be there. And the
objective live on the show was to get through the
software that the education people had spent like one hundreds
of thousands of dollars on or something and get to
the porn site and we would see if they could
do it in the course of the show. So we
set the show up. I did it right off the beginning.
I introduced the whole setup like this and then said
(07:36):
go And then I said, all right, we're going to
do other topics, but throughout the course of the show,
we'll be checking in and see how And one of
them went got it. That's how long it took. And
here's the issue. If that one guy can do it,
believe me, he shows the rest of them how to
do it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh absolutely, I mean listen, I mean teenage boys are
going to be teenage boys. Kids are going to be kids,
and they're always going to be one step ahead of
the smartest middle aged people who try to put in
a circumventory software as a block things. Kids are gonna
be kids and they're always going to be smarter than
middle aged people to older people. That's just the way
it goes with new tech. So stop trying to overpolice
(08:16):
it and let parents be parents. And you know, if
there needs to be more education through our schooling system
than do something like that. But let's not go and
police the internet.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think what we're dealing with here as nice gentleman
who called me, and he and I debated it pretty aggressively.
But here's the thing. I think what a lot of
a lot of parents don't want to sit their kids
down and talk about how what happens in porn and
why it's not real life. That's an uncomfortable conversation with
your teenage son and daughter. But right it comes down
to the world is what the world is, and those
(08:46):
are conversations you're going to have to have.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Jerry. I'm driving up to Toronto right now, to London
right now with my father is sitting next to me,
and I'm uncomfortable having this conversation with you. You're working
to do it quite so. Yeah, nobody wants to have
those types of conversation with a loved one. But like
it's the birds and the bees, we live in this
reality and let's start to deal with the actuality of
where we're at, rather than lofty, idealized legislation that quite
(09:12):
frankly isn't enforceable. And I don't think you want the
government regulator showing up to your door and knocking on
it and going, hey, let me see the porn site
you've been going to Hey, let me make sure you're
not logging into your social media. Nobody wants that. Keep
the government as far away from my house as possible.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Please all right, John Lidke, Radio and podcast hosts at
KLWAM eight hundred in Windsor.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Thanks very much, always a pleasure.
Let's get this party started. I love party. We're having
a big party.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thanks for being along and joining me at the party table.
Radio and podcast host at c k l W A
eight hundred in Windsor, John Lightke.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good morning, Good morning, Jerry. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm well, you know, do I say your last name correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's lid Key. But I'm not gonna drive up all
the way to the four one to Toronto and get
out at you.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, but I might come through Windsor someday and you'll
be waiting for me.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what I'm worried about. There you go, that's the issue.
For sure. You can't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You'll ask Melissa or Kakook tell me when he's coming.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's what we call her the General.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know you do, General Schultz. All right, So former
Bank of Canada Governor Mark Karney joining the Liberal Party
as a special advisor. I look at this and think, uh,
I don't know, justin do you want to let the
fox into the henhouse.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm just laughing and laughing and laughing at all of this.
I mean, is this the session training? We could hit
up HBO and try to get some advice from Brian Cox,
But you know, I look at this and I just
wonder you Already Pier pauliev is coming out and attacking
Mark Karney and saying he's going to sell out Canada
and destroy the resource sector, and it's like you had
to have expected that this is what's going to happen.
(01:27):
The guy is the former governor of the Bank of Canada,
the former governor of the Bank of England. He's as
elitist as you could get. To me. This is like
a hot night through hot butter.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, And I don't know that he would succeed should
he become the new leader of the Liberal Party. I
don't know why he'd want to be involved if he isn't.
He has the name recognition and the haft maybe, but
I don't know that he can galvanize the public. I
was talking to John Moore about this this morning. You know,
he just I don't know, he doesn't seem to light
(01:59):
it up. I get why people thought Trudeau was all
bright and new and shining, hip and young and our
version of JFK, you know, that kind of thing. They've
soured on him now. But I don't know that that
kind of vision is going to come with if the
message is being put forth by Mark Karney. But anyway,
it'd be interesting to see there's a long time apparently
till the election, and in fact saying that do you agree?
(02:20):
People are now looking at something that I said and
people laughed at off and now I'm starting to see
articles about it. And that is what difference does it
make that jug Neat saying is saying he's tearing up
his agreement to support the Liberals because you've got the
block who have more MPs than the NDP does and
the block I think is already angling, Hey, what can
(02:42):
we get for Quebec.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's clear that we are approaching an election. We are
in the midst of silly season right now. This is
a there's a lack of substance to what jug Meets
Singh has done. We all know that he's not going
to actually vote non confidence and trigger an election until
at least February of next year or when he becomes
eligible for his pension. Absolutely, I mean the block here
(03:04):
is angling and saying, look, we'll be able to get
a few things for ourselves here. And what benefit is
it to judge meet Thing to have given up any
of the power except to maybe distance himself. If you're
the Prime Minister Trudeau and you're looking at a willing
dance partner in the block, why not throw them a
couple extra one hundred million dollars and make sure that
you have senstability until you're ready to go to the election.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, and I don't think that would be tough for
Justin Trudeau to do either, because I think we've seen
indications of where he's favorable to Quebec anyway exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I mean, this is the guy who is relying on
a strong Quebec vote.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now, we do have some by elections coming up. It's
actually Monday the sixteenth, and this report from the Star
ahead of a highly contested by election in Montreal and
NDP candidates leaflet is illustrating the stark division in Canadian
politics over the war in Gaza. And this is a
guy named Craig Salvey. He's running in one of the
(03:57):
ridings in Montreal and he was the city council. But
he's putting out material that shows himself with a Palestinian flag.
First of all, what's that got to do with the
Canadian politics? And secondly, I think a lot of people
are going to look at this and say you pick
the Hamas side of the debate.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, it's very revealing right now when you look
at leftist and MDP and traditional union type groups and
they're launching themselves and wrapping themselves around this issue right now. Meanwhile,
Canadian support for the Palestinian cause, if you will, as
roughly around the same levels as the NDP are nationally.
(04:36):
So just from a political perspective, I don't see the
benefit to it now. I can't speak directly to how
the electoral politics and those specific by elections are, but
if you look at how things are going more nationally
in terms of this issue, Canadians don't seem to want
to focus on this. Canadians want to focus on their
pocket books. They want to focus on their economic prospects
(04:57):
or an employment, not something that is six thousand miles
away on the other side of the world. That quake
frankly doesn't have much bearing on our domestic politics. So
I think it's poor political posturing. But you know, we'll
see how it goes for them. But I think it's
the kind of thing that you're not able to walk
away from.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, well it seems racist to me as well, anti jew,
but that's never been a problem in the NDP. Unfortunately,
I was talking with people a little earlier. Some agreed
with me, some did not. Australia is looking at an
age limit for the use of social media. My position,
maybe John, you'll disagree with me, but my position was,
(05:35):
you pass a law when that law has a reasonable
chance of being effective. I don't see that this law
would do that. So it's going to have to come
down to parenting because keeping kids off anything on the
internet seems impossible to me, and just passing a law
and shaking a finger and saying, hey, you're only fourteen,
you can't use TikTok, whatever comes down to.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean what you said right as enforcement, how are
you going to actually police and ensure that they are
not using it when they're not allowed to be. Are
you going to mandate the use of government identification to
be able to create a social media account to be
able to log in? Are we going to use the
camera to verify who the person is and use some
artificial intelligence and algorithms. I mean, this is the same
(06:16):
debate that it comes down to when you have a
right leaning politicians that say let's go band pornography online
or create an age limit where you can access it.
How the heck do you have a government bureaucracy big
enough to be able to deal with that while also
purporting to be living in a freedom ography.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I've told this story before, I'm going to tell a
real short version of it. There was a school board
in Raleigh, North Carolina, where I first started doing talk radio,
and they were concerned, as they should be, about kids
access and accessing porn on school computers. So they bought
this really expensive software. And then somebody contacted me and said,
it's not going to do anything, and so I did
(06:53):
an experiment on air. I had young guys, high school
age guys apply to be a part of this, and
they had to bring a parent with them in order
to do this. But we set computers up, we put
the very software the school system had purchased on the computers,
and then we came up with the We came up
with the name of a porn site and the and
(07:13):
that's why the parents had to be there. And the
objective live on the show was to get through the
software that the education people had spent like one hundreds
of thousands of dollars on or something and get to
the porn site and we would see if they could
do it in the course of the show. So we
set the show up. I did it right off the beginning.
I introduced the whole setup like this and then said
(07:36):
go And then I said, all right, we're going to
do other topics, but throughout the course of the show,
we'll be checking in and see how And one of
them went got it. That's how long it took. And
here's the issue. If that one guy can do it,
believe me, he shows the rest of them how to
do it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh absolutely, I mean listen, I mean teenage boys are
going to be teenage boys. Kids are going to be kids,
and they're always going to be one step ahead of
the smartest middle aged people who try to put in
a circumventory software as a block things. Kids are gonna
be kids and they're always going to be smarter than
middle aged people to older people. That's just the way
it goes with new tech. So stop trying to overpolice
(08:16):
it and let parents be parents. And you know, if
there needs to be more education through our schooling system
than do something like that. But let's not go and
police the internet.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think what we're dealing with here as nice gentleman
who called me, and he and I debated it pretty aggressively.
But here's the thing. I think what a lot of
a lot of parents don't want to sit their kids
down and talk about how what happens in porn and
why it's not real life. That's an uncomfortable conversation with
your teenage son and daughter. But right it comes down
to the world is what the world is, and those
(08:46):
are conversations you're going to have to have.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Jerry. I'm driving up to Toronto right now, to London
right now with my father is sitting next to me,
and I'm uncomfortable having this conversation with you. You're working
to do it quite so. Yeah, nobody wants to have
those types of conversation with a loved one. But like
it's the birds and the bees, we live in this
reality and let's start to deal with the actuality of
where we're at, rather than lofty, idealized legislation that quite
(09:12):
frankly isn't enforceable. And I don't think you want the
government regulator showing up to your door and knocking on
it and going, hey, let me see the porn site
you've been going to Hey, let me make sure you're
not logging into your social media. Nobody wants that. Keep
the government as far away from my house as possible.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Please all right, John Lidke, Radio and podcast hosts at
KLWAM eight hundred in Windsor.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Thanks very much, always a pleasure.
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