July 29, 2025 • 17 mins
This week’s Friday Round Up dives into the headlines and hot topics shaping the nation and beyond, hosted by Shane Hewitt with panelists Jon Liedtke and Andrew Caddell. Topics discussed include:
- What breaks do you take to unwind?
- Hulk Hogan's legacy in wrestling and as a pop culture figure, and the concept of public versus private personas.
- Concerns about a potential trade deal between Canada and the United States, focusing on the impact of tariffs on the automotive industry in Windsor and the broader Canadian economy, and the difficulties of negotiating with Donald Trump.
- The effects of strained Canada-US relations on border towns and the concept of decoupling supply chains.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Shane Hewitt and the night Shift Podcast. Joining me now
with the Happy Friday roundup panel is Andrew Caddell, as
always mister reliable, here hanging out with us. Andrew, Hello,
Hey there, all right, and where do we find Andrew
Caddell today?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
By the way, I'm in Gamaraska, but somehow the internet's
not working, so we're going to have to go the
old old.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
School way, old school on the telephone. Jimmy Zubras is
on vacation. He'll be back with us here in a
couple of weekends for us. I followed Jimmy Zubers on
his Instagram. He looks like he's having a heck of
a time, My god, as you look relaxed and happy
and refreshed. That's nice too. Special guests filling in John
Lidkey from Windsor popping in to say hey hey, John, Hey,
(00:44):
hey good, it's been a minute. Glad to see you
back here hanging out on the show and putting up
with us. We're looking on a Friday night. Nice to
see our social calendar has not improved so the last
time we talked.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If you want to get connected, with with our guys,
you can easily do exactly that. Edward Cadel is a
town councilor in camera asqu Quebec, columnists for Time, Hill
Times in Ottawa, president of the Task Force on Linguistic
POLI and so much for He's a previously a diplomat,
ministerial advisor, broadcast journalist and so much more. John Lydkey
as a broadcast radio host, reporter, an opinion columnist. You
(01:19):
can often hear in Money Am eight hundred clw In Windsor,
co host and producer of the Rose City Politics and
a member of the SEGA. That's a terrible acronym. It
hard to say for people like me. All right, let's
dig into this sabbaticals. Have you ever taken a sabbatical?
Can you go on sabbatical? It's just part of the
conversation from earlier on in the show, how do you
(01:40):
take a sabbatical? And how to destroy your finances and
destroy your career? Andrew Caddell, how do you take a sabbatical?
And have you ever done it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Actually I've done a couple and they really worked for me.
I went to Europe when my wife was appointed as
a diplomat in Geneva, and it was complete change of life.
I became what they call the trailing spouse and had
to find work as a consultant. I ended up doing
actually reading the news on the local radio station in English,
(02:11):
which I did as a volunteer activity, and I got
involved with the plays the theater, and eventually I ended
up working for the World Health Organization through contacts that
I made. Then I came back to Autawa after five
years and I did my master's degree in journalism. And
that was a sacrifice economically, and I thought it would
(02:34):
be major sacrifice, but in fact, because I got a
master's degree, my salary went up, and within about a
year after I got the degree, I was back to
the situation. Actually I didn't lose any money. In fact,
I gained money. And so it ended up over the
three years that for the two years of academic and
(02:56):
then the work that I did, it all balanced out
so there was no real mom So I'm a big,
big advocate of sabbetic.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh very good. Well, I did not know you had
a master's degree. But doctor John Lidkey is here, PhD.
And awesome, take that, John, I've how's that for a resume?
To follow up on.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, glad to follow up on that one. Thanks so much.
Really appreciate that. Heat it up the other way around.
Let's be honest. Uh, you know, listen about working for
myself primarily, it's all pretty well sabbatical in that sense.
So it's all about dealing with the finances and making
sure that you're able to sustain yourself, you know throughout
what that period is going to be, and you want
(03:35):
to make sure that you're always you know, improving yourself,
trying to find things that you can do that's going
to benefit yourself. It may be your community, whatever that
may be. And so that's what I try to do.
Well I'm in between projects, if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, let me watch about that. Self employed means often
no days off. That's one thing for sure that people
go through when you do get a moment. What kind
of break do you take, Because some people take like
a literary break, some people will take a musical break,
some people take a quiet break. Some people will exercise
or just go on a trip. They go to a
(04:09):
mountain and sit on it. Like what kind of sabbatical?
Air quotes if you will, Self imposed refreshes John Lidkey
to be the best that he can be.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Exercising is something very crucial for me to be able
to disconnect from the world that we have, just get
into my own head, to get connected with my own body.
I love to read, I love to listen to audio books.
It's really just about trying to separate myself from the
world of stimuli that we all deal with that's coming
(04:42):
at us at all given time.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Love it eder cadell for you today? What is the
air quotes sabbatical self imposed that you find as your
biggest refresh today? That gets your mind clear? You're logical
thinking clear, Maybe it's your heart clear. What do you do? Hi?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Bike?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I get on the bike today. I did eighty six
kilometers and it really did. It clears my head, It
strengthens my heart, it cuts down on my weight. I
can pretty well eat anything and I'm still in shape.
It's great. That's for me is the biking is great.
And my wife bikes too, and I think it really
(05:23):
provides a benefit.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
For her too. What's okay? First of all, how many
kilometers today? Eighty six? Okay? Do you want to talk
about how old you are? Can we show that? How
old do you ride? Seventy three yea seventy three years
old and riding eighty six kilometers on a bike. How's
that for impressive?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
A wow?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, what's really I'm aiming to do two thousand
for the year by the end of the month, and
right now I'm at seventeen fifty.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think, wow, for the year by the end of
the month. It's July. Just so you know, let's talk
about being a keener my goodness. Uh okay, well that's inspiring.
If I haven't heard anything inspiring so far. For the
day to day, let's talk about Hulk Hogan as our
first topic of the day. A man who passed away.
(06:14):
He changed in industry, he changed people's lives. He also
could never really seem to turn off. What was Hulk Hogan?
Andrew Cadell, your first comment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, I never really would have got into into wrestling
from the very very beginning when it was on when
I was a kid, But I you know, because because
it wasn't. Boxing to me was real and and and
and you know, very violent, but it was real, whereas
wrestling was obviously fake. On the other hand, the showmanship,
the entertainment value, numbers of millions and millions and millions
(06:48):
of people who followed Hull Hogan and who hul Cogan
actually made wrestling sort of an acceptable TV entertainment sport.
And so I I think he'll go down in history
as being a pioneer in that sense. And he ended up,
i think, in the latter part of his life being
a bit of a caricature, but also being being just
(07:12):
sort of living off his celebrity.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
John Licky were your wrestling fan, what are your thoughts
on Haulcochan?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I was never a wrestling fan growing up. But for me,
all Cogan was always mister Nanny, to be perfectly honest,
that was an early nineteen nineties movie for me. He
was just a top culture celebrity who you know he
embodied the mid eighties, late eighties, early nineties. He was
(07:42):
a fixture of course what happened with Gocker and how
he ended up bringing them down after there was the
sex tape that was put out by them. He left
an indelible mark on what the actual media landscape looks like.
He's a figure that won't be forgotten. He's bigger than life.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Tell me about Vanity because nobody ever knew Terry. Only
everybody knew Haul Cogan.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
John, Absolutely, And that's the thing, and he talked about
that when it came to the lawsuit and how he
tried to defend himself, trying to separate himself from the
character that he was, describing it as a caricature. It
was a really interesting case and his life, his celebrity,
is a very interesting case study. And we can all
(08:27):
look at what we look to as celebrity and what
that means through that lens of him.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Andrew Cadell thirty seconds. But is it a good reminder
that sometimes the person we put in public is not
the same as the person we are.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, let's say that anybody who's ever been in public
life knows that there's basically two personas. There's the public
persona and then there's the person. And if you ever
become involved in politics or entertainment, you start referring to
yourself and the third person because that other person is
the person that's in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's interesting. Look, well, we are going to talk about
some of the political things coming up for you next
Happy Friday Roundup panel. John Leadky is here, Andrew Caddell
is here as well. I'm feeling like I'm grossly underperforming
in my fitness regiment. So I'm going to take a
little break, do some sit ups, and then when we
come okay, let's sit up, and then when we come back,
we will get back to our Happy Friday round Up panel.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Sam Hewett and the night Shift Night Shift Podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Happy Friday round Up Panel. Our guests John lead Key
Andrew Caddell both here hanging out, sharing their thoughts on
some of the stories and their fitness routines. Which is great. Okay.
So Canada has a couple of days to sort out
a trade deal with the United States. Donald Trump has
been speaking about it, and here's what Trump has had
to say recently.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We haven't really had a lot of luck with Canada.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Canada could be one with it just by
taras not really a negotiation.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Uh when was the last time you did an interview
outside a helicopter, John Lidkey.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I no, never did that. Let's be honest. But
this is this is really concerning here, especially you know
in Windsor where I'm based out of. You know, I
listened to what Flavio Volpe from the APMA was talking
about how this if they go through decimates, you know,
the automotive industry in Windsor and the spill off and
what that could actually mean throughout all of Canada. Job
(10:29):
losses are just immense if these tariffs actually go through.
And you know, purportedly it's about fence and all, but
we did so much the first time around when he
said it was about fence and al and we already
know that we aren't really the entry point for fence
and all. And then you have his Commerce secretary talking
about how they actually want market access, but what is
(10:49):
that market access? The goalposts keep moving and how do
you negotiate with someone like that? And I see criticism
of the government and I don't. I don't care if
it was going to be Qualiev or if it's Carnie
or or whoever it was that was going to end
up winning. I don't. You can't negotiate with someone who's
erratic like this. And I don't think he actually wants
a trade deal. I think he just wants to fight.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, I'm curious to see who who in the background
just goes he said, what you know, because they're trying
to do a deal, and then of course Canadians react.
Andrew Cadelli, your thoughts on that comment, because I do
imagine that one of the reasons why we included this
today is because John is in Windsor. There are places
that are impacted more greatly than others, that's for sure.
(11:32):
And in Windsor you see it every day going to work,
You see it every day going to have a beer
with your brother and a play a French frise with
your sisters. So it's a different tone in different places.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, I think it's very hard for us to think
in terms of the fact that we are dealing with
someone who's a failed reality TV show host.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh I did. I think he's a successful reality TV
show host and he's living it today. This is his
reality show.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So Paul Wells, Paul Wells wrote a piece just today
that I was just reading talking about the negotiations and
had spoken to somebody I imagine probably Dominic LeBlanc because
the way he described and he said his eyes bugged
out when he asked him how the negotiations were going.
And then Paul well said this, and the person that
(12:22):
he was speaking to agreed absolutely. He said, it must
be like negotiating with a roulette wheel. And that's exactly
how I think it must be. Because this man does
not have an attention span beyond about five seconds. He's old,
he's probably got some level of dementia, and we're counting
(12:44):
on that one individual to determine a complex relation of
hundreds of billions and billions of dollars that goes across
our borders on an annual basis. And on top of that,
we have brilliant trade negotiators on the Canadian side, like
our ambassador Christin Hillman, who have to deal with the
(13:06):
insanity of these incompetent people that Trump has in his cabinet,
like this fellow letnik who is basically just a toady
and will do anything Trump tells him to. So it's
it's it's extraordinarily depressing, and it's just not the way
the world, the world's supposed to work.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't dispute anything that you just said, Andrew, but
do you really believe that guys like Trump are doing
anything more than give it to me in three sentences?
Did they solve this and and and move on? Because
do you think he cares and even looks at the details.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
He makes Ronald Reagan look like Einstein?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, John Lecky?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, And it's it's it's let's be honest, it's also
it's it's a protection racket. He's he's sneezing. He's squeezing
the margin out of producers and retailers and taking it
for himself to put into the federal treasury. He was
talking earlier today about how there might be a refund
to lower income people of the tariff money. It's it's
(14:06):
their own money, giving it back to them. I mean,
he plays this game where he talks about the countries
are paying it, but that we know that that's not
the case. But what is going to happen is, again
the producers and the retailers are going to try their
best not to raise their prices, so they're going to
squeeze into their own margins. This is just good fellas.
That's a nice business you have there. It's a nice country, Yeah, exactly,
(14:31):
And that's what we're dealing with here. And it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, I agree. I think that that's quite interesting down
in the States. So they're calling it like the Canada
tacks and all these things. Public perception. Accuracy is one thing.
Public perception is another thing. Andrew, does it even really
matter because everything you guys both described is what candidate
has went through with the carbon tax. By the way, Andrew,
what's what's the takeaway for Canadians in this, because we
(14:57):
get made out to be the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, you know, the old story is that the the
opera isn't over it until the fat Lady sings. So
when one can hope that we.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Still have uh, you know, some negotiating rooms, some room
for for some a possible deal, and that the Americans
will come to their senses, because certainly it doesn't make
any sense for us and the Americans to be a
longer hit on an economic basis because there's so much
(15:28):
collateral damage in places like Windsor, and and and even
places like Camarasca, where are our dairy farmers could be
enormously affected.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Your face looks disappointed.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Me.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, Like I'm used to your expression, and I
can I can feel it, like I can feel the
disappointment in this. Yeah, John, you're you're you're right there
in Windsor and you see it every day. I mean
you must see some compromised relationships over it. The stress
on the folks of Windsor. I just like the people
in Vancouver, in Victoria, all of these border towns, right,
(16:04):
what's it like, you.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Know, listen, I mean on the most minuscule of people
who used to go across the border to buy groceries
and came back the first time and got hit with
an extra seventy five dollars tariff fee because they brought
back teriff items that they had no idea. So they're
not doing it again, to just not making those trips
because they're concerned about security, which is a strain on families,
(16:27):
on friendships, on work. The whole thing is just tenuous
and it's disappointing. And you know, when you start to
look towards different supply chains, like we're decoupling Canada, the
world is decoupling from the US. And when you established
new supply chains, Andrew knows this better than anyone else,
you don't go back to the ones that you had before.
(16:47):
It takes a lot. It's like a giant ocean freighter.
It takes a long time to change your course, and
it takes a long time to decide what your course
is going to be once you change it. When it
comes to supply chains, and I'll let Andrew pick up.
I see that you jump in well.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I you know, I as a trade officer, I used
to go and talk to people about the possibility of
using other going to other countries, and it was very
hard to convince business people that they should change from
shipping to the United States because it was so much
easier for them.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Now they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
To, all right. So John Ladkey Andrew Cadell a Happy
Friday roundup panel. You can feel the tone shift on
that conversation as at the time the clock does tick
down to the deadline of when trade deals are supposed
to be done. John, great to see you, Andrew, thanks
as always for being here. Sank Hewitt and the nicest
much or the latest from the iHeartRadio app.
Shane Hewitt and the night Shift Podcast. Joining me now
with the Happy Friday roundup panel is Andrew Caddell, as
always mister reliable, here hanging out with us. Andrew, Hello,
Hey there, all right, and where do we find Andrew
Caddell today?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
By the way, I'm in Gamaraska, but somehow the internet's
not working, so we're going to have to go the
old old.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
School way, old school on the telephone. Jimmy Zubras is
on vacation. He'll be back with us here in a
couple of weekends for us. I followed Jimmy Zubers on
his Instagram. He looks like he's having a heck of
a time, My god, as you look relaxed and happy
and refreshed. That's nice too. Special guests filling in John
Lidkey from Windsor popping in to say hey hey, John, Hey,
(00:44):
hey good, it's been a minute. Glad to see you
back here hanging out on the show and putting up
with us. We're looking on a Friday night. Nice to
see our social calendar has not improved so the last
time we talked.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If you want to get connected, with with our guys,
you can easily do exactly that. Edward Cadel is a
town councilor in camera asqu Quebec, columnists for Time, Hill
Times in Ottawa, president of the Task Force on Linguistic
POLI and so much for He's a previously a diplomat,
ministerial advisor, broadcast journalist and so much more. John Lydkey
as a broadcast radio host, reporter, an opinion columnist. You
(01:19):
can often hear in Money Am eight hundred clw In Windsor,
co host and producer of the Rose City Politics and
a member of the SEGA. That's a terrible acronym. It
hard to say for people like me. All right, let's
dig into this sabbaticals. Have you ever taken a sabbatical?
Can you go on sabbatical? It's just part of the
conversation from earlier on in the show, how do you
(01:40):
take a sabbatical? And how to destroy your finances and
destroy your career? Andrew Caddell, how do you take a sabbatical?
And have you ever done it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Actually I've done a couple and they really worked for me.
I went to Europe when my wife was appointed as
a diplomat in Geneva, and it was complete change of life.
I became what they call the trailing spouse and had
to find work as a consultant. I ended up doing
actually reading the news on the local radio station in English,
(02:11):
which I did as a volunteer activity, and I got
involved with the plays the theater, and eventually I ended
up working for the World Health Organization through contacts that
I made. Then I came back to Autawa after five
years and I did my master's degree in journalism. And
that was a sacrifice economically, and I thought it would
(02:34):
be major sacrifice, but in fact, because I got a
master's degree, my salary went up, and within about a
year after I got the degree, I was back to
the situation. Actually I didn't lose any money. In fact,
I gained money. And so it ended up over the
three years that for the two years of academic and
(02:56):
then the work that I did, it all balanced out
so there was no real mom So I'm a big,
big advocate of sabbetic.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh very good. Well, I did not know you had
a master's degree. But doctor John Lidkey is here, PhD.
And awesome, take that, John, I've how's that for a resume?
To follow up on.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, glad to follow up on that one. Thanks so much.
Really appreciate that. Heat it up the other way around.
Let's be honest. Uh, you know, listen about working for
myself primarily, it's all pretty well sabbatical in that sense.
So it's all about dealing with the finances and making
sure that you're able to sustain yourself, you know throughout
what that period is going to be, and you want
(03:35):
to make sure that you're always you know, improving yourself,
trying to find things that you can do that's going
to benefit yourself. It may be your community, whatever that
may be. And so that's what I try to do.
Well I'm in between projects, if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, let me watch about that. Self employed means often
no days off. That's one thing for sure that people
go through when you do get a moment. What kind
of break do you take, Because some people take like
a literary break, some people will take a musical break,
some people take a quiet break. Some people will exercise
or just go on a trip. They go to a
(04:09):
mountain and sit on it. Like what kind of sabbatical?
Air quotes if you will, Self imposed refreshes John Lidkey
to be the best that he can be.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Exercising is something very crucial for me to be able
to disconnect from the world that we have, just get
into my own head, to get connected with my own body.
I love to read, I love to listen to audio books.
It's really just about trying to separate myself from the
world of stimuli that we all deal with that's coming
(04:42):
at us at all given time.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Love it eder cadell for you today? What is the
air quotes sabbatical self imposed that you find as your
biggest refresh today? That gets your mind clear? You're logical
thinking clear, Maybe it's your heart clear. What do you do? Hi?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Bike?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I get on the bike today. I did eighty six
kilometers and it really did. It clears my head, It
strengthens my heart, it cuts down on my weight. I
can pretty well eat anything and I'm still in shape.
It's great. That's for me is the biking is great.
And my wife bikes too, and I think it really
(05:23):
provides a benefit.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
For her too. What's okay? First of all, how many
kilometers today? Eighty six? Okay? Do you want to talk
about how old you are? Can we show that? How
old do you ride? Seventy three yea seventy three years
old and riding eighty six kilometers on a bike. How's
that for impressive?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
A wow?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, what's really I'm aiming to do two thousand
for the year by the end of the month, and
right now I'm at seventeen fifty.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think, wow, for the year by the end of
the month. It's July. Just so you know, let's talk
about being a keener my goodness. Uh okay, well that's inspiring.
If I haven't heard anything inspiring so far. For the
day to day, let's talk about Hulk Hogan as our
first topic of the day. A man who passed away.
(06:14):
He changed in industry, he changed people's lives. He also
could never really seem to turn off. What was Hulk Hogan?
Andrew Cadell, your first comment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, I never really would have got into into wrestling
from the very very beginning when it was on when
I was a kid, But I you know, because because
it wasn't. Boxing to me was real and and and
and you know, very violent, but it was real, whereas
wrestling was obviously fake. On the other hand, the showmanship,
the entertainment value, numbers of millions and millions and millions
(06:48):
of people who followed Hull Hogan and who hul Cogan
actually made wrestling sort of an acceptable TV entertainment sport.
And so I I think he'll go down in history
as being a pioneer in that sense. And he ended up,
i think, in the latter part of his life being
a bit of a caricature, but also being being just
(07:12):
sort of living off his celebrity.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
John Licky were your wrestling fan, what are your thoughts
on Haulcochan?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I was never a wrestling fan growing up. But for me,
all Cogan was always mister Nanny, to be perfectly honest,
that was an early nineteen nineties movie for me. He
was just a top culture celebrity who you know he
embodied the mid eighties, late eighties, early nineties. He was
(07:42):
a fixture of course what happened with Gocker and how
he ended up bringing them down after there was the
sex tape that was put out by them. He left
an indelible mark on what the actual media landscape looks like.
He's a figure that won't be forgotten. He's bigger than life.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Tell me about Vanity because nobody ever knew Terry. Only
everybody knew Haul Cogan.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
John, Absolutely, And that's the thing, and he talked about
that when it came to the lawsuit and how he
tried to defend himself, trying to separate himself from the
character that he was, describing it as a caricature. It
was a really interesting case and his life, his celebrity,
is a very interesting case study. And we can all
(08:27):
look at what we look to as celebrity and what
that means through that lens of him.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Andrew Cadell thirty seconds. But is it a good reminder
that sometimes the person we put in public is not
the same as the person we are.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, let's say that anybody who's ever been in public
life knows that there's basically two personas. There's the public
persona and then there's the person. And if you ever
become involved in politics or entertainment, you start referring to
yourself and the third person because that other person is
the person that's in the public eye.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's interesting. Look, well, we are going to talk about
some of the political things coming up for you next
Happy Friday Roundup panel. John Leadky is here, Andrew Caddell
is here as well. I'm feeling like I'm grossly underperforming
in my fitness regiment. So I'm going to take a
little break, do some sit ups, and then when we
come okay, let's sit up, and then when we come back,
we will get back to our Happy Friday round Up panel.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Sam Hewett and the night Shift Night Shift Podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Happy Friday round Up Panel. Our guests John lead Key
Andrew Caddell both here hanging out, sharing their thoughts on
some of the stories and their fitness routines. Which is great. Okay.
So Canada has a couple of days to sort out
a trade deal with the United States. Donald Trump has
been speaking about it, and here's what Trump has had
to say recently.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We haven't really had a lot of luck with Canada.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Canada could be one with it just by
taras not really a negotiation.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Uh when was the last time you did an interview
outside a helicopter, John Lidkey.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I no, never did that. Let's be honest. But
this is this is really concerning here, especially you know
in Windsor where I'm based out of. You know, I
listened to what Flavio Volpe from the APMA was talking
about how this if they go through decimates, you know,
the automotive industry in Windsor and the spill off and
what that could actually mean throughout all of Canada. Job
(10:29):
losses are just immense if these tariffs actually go through.
And you know, purportedly it's about fence and all, but
we did so much the first time around when he
said it was about fence and al and we already
know that we aren't really the entry point for fence
and all. And then you have his Commerce secretary talking
about how they actually want market access, but what is
(10:49):
that market access? The goalposts keep moving and how do
you negotiate with someone like that? And I see criticism
of the government and I don't. I don't care if
it was going to be Qualiev or if it's Carnie
or or whoever it was that was going to end
up winning. I don't. You can't negotiate with someone who's
erratic like this. And I don't think he actually wants
a trade deal. I think he just wants to fight.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, I'm curious to see who who in the background
just goes he said, what you know, because they're trying
to do a deal, and then of course Canadians react.
Andrew Cadelli, your thoughts on that comment, because I do
imagine that one of the reasons why we included this
today is because John is in Windsor. There are places
that are impacted more greatly than others, that's for sure.
(11:32):
And in Windsor you see it every day going to work,
You see it every day going to have a beer
with your brother and a play a French frise with
your sisters. So it's a different tone in different places.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, I think it's very hard for us to think
in terms of the fact that we are dealing with
someone who's a failed reality TV show host.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh I did. I think he's a successful reality TV
show host and he's living it today. This is his
reality show.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So Paul Wells, Paul Wells wrote a piece just today
that I was just reading talking about the negotiations and
had spoken to somebody I imagine probably Dominic LeBlanc because
the way he described and he said his eyes bugged
out when he asked him how the negotiations were going.
And then Paul well said this, and the person that
(12:22):
he was speaking to agreed absolutely. He said, it must
be like negotiating with a roulette wheel. And that's exactly
how I think it must be. Because this man does
not have an attention span beyond about five seconds. He's old,
he's probably got some level of dementia, and we're counting
(12:44):
on that one individual to determine a complex relation of
hundreds of billions and billions of dollars that goes across
our borders on an annual basis. And on top of that,
we have brilliant trade negotiators on the Canadian side, like
our ambassador Christin Hillman, who have to deal with the
(13:06):
insanity of these incompetent people that Trump has in his cabinet,
like this fellow letnik who is basically just a toady
and will do anything Trump tells him to. So it's
it's it's extraordinarily depressing, and it's just not the way
the world, the world's supposed to work.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't dispute anything that you just said, Andrew, but
do you really believe that guys like Trump are doing
anything more than give it to me in three sentences?
Did they solve this and and and move on? Because
do you think he cares and even looks at the details.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
He makes Ronald Reagan look like Einstein?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, John Lecky?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, And it's it's it's let's be honest, it's also
it's it's a protection racket. He's he's sneezing. He's squeezing
the margin out of producers and retailers and taking it
for himself to put into the federal treasury. He was
talking earlier today about how there might be a refund
to lower income people of the tariff money. It's it's
(14:06):
their own money, giving it back to them. I mean,
he plays this game where he talks about the countries
are paying it, but that we know that that's not
the case. But what is going to happen is, again
the producers and the retailers are going to try their
best not to raise their prices, so they're going to
squeeze into their own margins. This is just good fellas.
That's a nice business you have there. It's a nice country, Yeah, exactly,
(14:31):
And that's what we're dealing with here. And it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, I agree. I think that that's quite interesting down
in the States. So they're calling it like the Canada
tacks and all these things. Public perception. Accuracy is one thing.
Public perception is another thing. Andrew, does it even really
matter because everything you guys both described is what candidate
has went through with the carbon tax. By the way, Andrew,
what's what's the takeaway for Canadians in this, because we
(14:57):
get made out to be the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, you know, the old story is that the the
opera isn't over it until the fat Lady sings. So
when one can hope that we.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Still have uh, you know, some negotiating rooms, some room
for for some a possible deal, and that the Americans
will come to their senses, because certainly it doesn't make
any sense for us and the Americans to be a
longer hit on an economic basis because there's so much
(15:28):
collateral damage in places like Windsor, and and and even
places like Camarasca, where are our dairy farmers could be
enormously affected.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Your face looks disappointed.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Me.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, Like I'm used to your expression, and I
can I can feel it, like I can feel the
disappointment in this. Yeah, John, you're you're you're right there
in Windsor and you see it every day. I mean
you must see some compromised relationships over it. The stress
on the folks of Windsor. I just like the people
in Vancouver, in Victoria, all of these border towns, right,
(16:04):
what's it like, you.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Know, listen, I mean on the most minuscule of people
who used to go across the border to buy groceries
and came back the first time and got hit with
an extra seventy five dollars tariff fee because they brought
back teriff items that they had no idea. So they're
not doing it again, to just not making those trips
because they're concerned about security, which is a strain on families,
(16:27):
on friendships, on work. The whole thing is just tenuous
and it's disappointing. And you know, when you start to
look towards different supply chains, like we're decoupling Canada, the
world is decoupling from the US. And when you established
new supply chains, Andrew knows this better than anyone else,
you don't go back to the ones that you had before.
(16:47):
It takes a lot. It's like a giant ocean freighter.
It takes a long time to change your course, and
it takes a long time to decide what your course
is going to be once you change it. When it
comes to supply chains, and I'll let Andrew pick up.
I see that you jump in well.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I you know, I as a trade officer, I used
to go and talk to people about the possibility of
using other going to other countries, and it was very
hard to convince business people that they should change from
shipping to the United States because it was so much
easier for them.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Now they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
To, all right. So John Ladkey Andrew Cadell a Happy
Friday roundup panel. You can feel the tone shift on
that conversation as at the time the clock does tick
down to the deadline of when trade deals are supposed
to be done. John, great to see you, Andrew, thanks
as always for being here. Sank Hewitt and the nicest
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