January 8, 2025 • 58 mins
About tonight's Featured Guest:
I am Bishop James Long, the Presiding Archbishop for the United States Old Catholic Church. It is an honor to have this opportunity to share my journey with you.I was born and raised in Louisville, KY, within the Roman Catholic tradition. From a young age, I felt a deep calling to serve the church and knew that I wanted to become a priest. Even as a child of just five years old, the path before me was clear.As I grew older, my thirst for knowledge and understanding led me to delve into the realms of demonology. At the age of nine, I began earnestly studying books on this topic, embarking on a lifelong journey to explore the depths of theology and demonology.After completing high school, I felt compelled to spend a few years working before fully dedicating my life to the church. Eventually, I accepted God's calling and enrolled in the Roman Seminary. It was at Loyola University in Chicago where I obtained my undergraduate degree while continuing my seminary studies at the graduate level.During this time, I received my Minor Orders from the Roman Catholic Church. However, it was also during this transformative period that I felt a clear message from God, a beckoning to serve within the Old Catholic Church. Through spiritual discernment and profound prayer, I humbly accepted this divine call.Within the United States Old Catholic Church, I have been ordained as a Deacon, Priest, and consecrated to the Episcopacy. With great joy and conviction, I stand before you today, armed with a 110-page document attesting to my Apostolic Succession.
I am Bishop James Long, the Presiding Archbishop for the United States Old Catholic Church. It is an honor to have this opportunity to share my journey with you.I was born and raised in Louisville, KY, within the Roman Catholic tradition. From a young age, I felt a deep calling to serve the church and knew that I wanted to become a priest. Even as a child of just five years old, the path before me was clear.As I grew older, my thirst for knowledge and understanding led me to delve into the realms of demonology. At the age of nine, I began earnestly studying books on this topic, embarking on a lifelong journey to explore the depths of theology and demonology.After completing high school, I felt compelled to spend a few years working before fully dedicating my life to the church. Eventually, I accepted God's calling and enrolled in the Roman Seminary. It was at Loyola University in Chicago where I obtained my undergraduate degree while continuing my seminary studies at the graduate level.During this time, I received my Minor Orders from the Roman Catholic Church. However, it was also during this transformative period that I felt a clear message from God, a beckoning to serve within the Old Catholic Church. Through spiritual discernment and profound prayer, I humbly accepted this divine call.Within the United States Old Catholic Church, I have been ordained as a Deacon, Priest, and consecrated to the Episcopacy. With great joy and conviction, I stand before you today, armed with a 110-page document attesting to my Apostolic Succession.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I can sense them in my vicinity.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So I guess I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Walk in head Han Show, walks out ear reveal. Yeah,
the crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the
secrets from the Air Force that were not out there
in public. So welcome back to last night on UFO
(00:55):
Twitter folks. Tonight, we got an interesting show for you.
You know, we've been interacting with the UFO Twitter community.
I love these people. I appreciate everybody that wants to
have a voice in this phenomenon. We've been interacting with,
(01:15):
let's say UFO influencers in certain ways outside of the
Twitter community, and something that quite often comes up. For example,
Danny Jones just put out, you know, some viral interview
stuff this week talking with Diana Posalka about this hierarchy
(01:39):
that apparently Tyler referred to this like, you know UFO
insider that worked with NASA, that there's a hierarchy in
which humans are kind of at the bottom of the intelligenced.
And let's say, uh Eved totem poll and then from
(02:02):
there you go up and it's like aliens, demons, angels,
and God. So this is a controversial subject and I
cannot sit here and pretend that I know the truth
to all of this. You know, I would be lying
(02:25):
if I did say that I was telling you the
absolute and only truth that exists in terms of this question. However,
I did want to bring to the forefront tonight this
discussion with a subject matter expert. Usually we have Dale
(02:48):
kind of kick off the conversation of these spaces. He
gives us something positive to think about. And you know,
he's a pastor with a Christian practice, and I've had
this conversation with him too before, So Dale, why don't
(03:08):
you kick it off? And then I'm going to bring
in the conversation with Bishop James Long. This is a
archbishop in the Catholic Church. He's got a huge following online.
If you look him up on for example, TikTok, he's
(03:29):
got seven hundred thousand followers there. And you know this guy,
just so people understand his background, he's performed thirty three exorcisms.
So this man actually has interacted with demons, and it's
(03:52):
important that we have subject matter experts like this address
what is so commonly argue about in the UFO community,
especially on UIFO Twitter, because many people say aliens or
demons or I don't know why I'm using an accent
aliens or demons or you know, demons are aliens and
(04:14):
vice versa. But you know, let's hear it from a
different perspective of just people that are painting a broad
brush on this subject. So I'm going to bring in
Twitter to the kg R dally there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I was just waiting for you to finish.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Go for amends speak want to catch off.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All right, you guys know I have a catchphrase for
each one of my talks with you guys. Today's catchphrase
is It's not about you. That's one thing that we
have to remember, It's not about you. You know, something
happened this week that was pretty upsetting for me. You know,
as a pastor a lot of people come to me
when there's a crisis in their lives. And I got
(05:00):
one of those phone calls this last this week, and
the wife was hysterical. She had she found out that
her husband was doing drugs, that he was addicted to
meth and the thing that upset her the most was
that he had been lying to her. I don't know
how she got him to do it, but somehow she
bought a yurine test and forced him to take it.
(05:23):
Reminds me of something you do for a kid. But
he tested positive, and so she was upset. They got
in a big blow up, and he was on his
way to the bank take her name off of the
checking account, and he was on his way out, and
I told her, I said, you know, you can't confront
someone like your husband because all he's going to do
is run. I mean, and the good thing about this
(05:44):
guy is he's not a bad guy, and he's actually
a pretty good guy. But you know, the other thing
I told her is when it comes to addictions, addicts lie.
I mean, that doesn't mean that he's a liar over
the rest of his life. Addicts lie because that's how
they get by with their addiction. They keep it hidden,
and they keep it hidden by lying. And then I
(06:05):
told her something that was kind of difficult to tell her.
You know, I told her I understood how bad she
was hurting, but I said, right now, the focus has
to be on your husband. It's not about you, and say,
just think about cancer. If it was cancer, the focus
would be on him. But drug addiction is a disease.
(06:25):
And so I convinced her that, you know, she needed
to put in first. And I asked her, I said,
you know, I wish you would have told me. Would
I would have loved to have given you some advice
so that it didn't get this far, because it really
looked like, you know, the marriage was over. I mean,
the guy was going to take his wife's name off
the checking account. But I told her, immediately send him
(06:46):
a text. You tell him you love him, because that's
the one thing he needs to hear most right now,
is that you haven't given up on him. And so
I reminded her, you know, once again, it's not about you.
I was so relieved the next when I called and
I found out that the husband had come home, that
the text worked and stuff. So it was a valuable
(07:07):
lesson and now he's wanting to get help. I don't
know how it turned around so fast, but I'm grateful
that it did. And so how does this apply to
the UAP community. Well, let me say it again. The
same principle applies. It's not about you. I think one
of the things that is absolutely killing disclosure are all
the egos that are out there. I mean, everybody seems
(07:29):
to want to be top dog, and it's a dogg
eat dog race out there, and it's just not healthy forever.
Going to get to disclosure, we've got to put our
egos behind us. We've got to work together because remember,
it's not about you, it's not about me, It's about disclosure.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Agreed, Dale, appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let's get to the conversation with Bishop James Long, so
I'm going to actually bring in audio. He has a
night school that he does his prayers, prayer groups and
stuff with. Sorry, I don't really know how it works
as a nonpracticing human being, but he took the time
(08:22):
before tonight's show to really let me dig down and
ask all these questions in terms of demons, aliens, UFOs, angels.
And you're going to hear this right now and then
we're going to open it up and discuss it as
a group. So give me a thumbs up if you
can hear this. He's been how long you've been practicing, sir?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
For twenty two years? Very cool?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And what is your area?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Well, of course I knew I wanted to be a priest.
When I was five that I began studying books on demonology.
And when I was nine and I just I just
had such a drive I could not stop reading, which
it became not an obsession, but just like it was
just I knew that I needed to do it. It
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was just I was just naturally drawn to it. And
the more I read, the more I wanted to read more,
and so it just kind of grew from there. So
I'm I'm the presiding archbishop for the United States or
Catholic Church. And one of my ministries, one of the
mini ministries that I do, is I serve as an exorcist.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, and people would be pretty excited to know that,
you know, you're a bishop. So for some people that
don't understand this, you know, there are levels there. There's
kind of hierarchies within the Catholic religion in terms of
professional leaders who are leading the faith. And so there
(10:02):
is reverends. Uh, there are priests, there are bishops, and
then above a bishop is you know, like a cardinal
and that type of thing in the Roman Church, yes, oh, okay,
(10:22):
in the Roman Church. Okay, So then you're you know,
you're you're practicing in Catholicism, and then like below being
a bishop, what are sort of like the levels that
leadership and guiding the faith.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
So I studied for the a Roman Catholic priest who
for six years received my minor orders there. And uh,
I had everything planned out. I mean, my life was planned.
I knew what was what I was going to be
a Roman Catholic parish priest and life was going to
be good and that's what I was going to do.
And uh, and then the seminary, I just felt God
kind of judging me over in a different direction. And
(11:02):
that was not that was not in my plan at all,
because you know, how do you go from you know,
want to be a Roman Catholic priest to say, okay,
now James, I need you over here because over there
I didn't know what over there meant because with you know,
with the old Catholic Church. See, we don't receive stipends.
We received no retirements, no paycheck, no salary. This ministry
(11:23):
we fund with our own income. So there's no retirement,
there's no housing. You don't they don't give you a
church and say that there you go, Uh, you just
you fund it yourself, and so I learned that God
had called me to serve everybody, you know, regardless of
the denomination. And I've I've had to learn that process
that you know, throughout this two decades. But so when
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you have the you have the presiding archbishop for a jurisdiction,
So you have the presiding archbishop and the Old Catholic Church.
Each bishop has their own jurisdiction. So within the Old
Catholic Church, you might have some Old Catholic communities that
are ultra conservative. You may have some that are ultraliberal,
and there are some that are moderate. You may have
some that only do the Latin Rite and some do
the nov Soto. So it really just depends on the
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jurisdiction itself. So the presiding Archbishop is the individual through
whom all faculties are given. So in other words, you
have the presiding archbishop, and then you have auxiliary bishops
under them, and then you of course, if you have
a religious order, so we have an abbot of a
Benedictine community, and then of course you have priests, deacons,
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and then the seminarians, and then of course you have
the professed. So the individuals who want to become a Benedictine.
I'm a Benedictine. So you can be a fully professed
Benedictine and not be ordained to the diaconate or to
the presbyterate. You want to live a religious lifestyle, so
as a benedicted.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Very interesting like to sort of break down those levels
within the faith that you are practicing. So you are
are just below an archbishop?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Is that I am an archbishop? You are? I am
the presiding archbishop for the United States o Catholic Church.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Oh wow, okay, so you are guiding all those levels
under everything.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Yeah. And then and then what we do is with
you with the United States Catholic Church, we govern by
the Council of Bishops. So we have a council of
bishops that are over overseeing you know, the Catechism and
et cetera, daily the daily business of just obviously governing
a church community and which can be a lot especially
(13:33):
if especially if you have a thriving community. Our community
is we have an extremely thriving community online right now.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I see. I mean, I've I've been on your show.
I've been on your TikTok before, over seven hundred thousand
followers on that excuse me, and uh, you know, plus
you have a kg R A show, and and you
know you're streaming on all these different social media platforms.
(14:04):
Are you on Twitter? By the way, I am okay,
send me you're at because i want to make sure
that you hear the Twitter space that I'm hosting tonight
and I'm going to feature this conversation in because I
couldn't find you. But you are guiding a huge amount
of people, Like how many churches are you kind of
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overseeing within your diocese.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We don't focus on the churches at all if as
a matter of fact, most of the clergy do not
have a building, nor do they want to build because
remember we don't have we don't collect money, so which
was very difficult when you're trying to when you're trying
to focus on building churches, because there are two three
hundred thousand dollars buildings. So that's not what we focus on.
(14:48):
What we focus on is homeless ministry. We focus on
going to visiting the nursing homes or doing chaplaincy in
the hospital. We instead of having a building and say okay,
now come to us, we actually get out of the
building and go to the people and administer the sacraments
that way, and quite honestly, it's it's intelligent to do
that for many reasons. Number one, many of our clergy
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can't afford to spend two three hundred thousand dollars on
a building because they have to pay for it out
of their own pocket. And so really I did. I did.
I did parish ministry for quite some time, and although
it is uh, I enjoyed it, but at the same time,
it was almost restrictive because I wanted to get out.
(15:29):
So I wanted to get out to the public because
I had a homelesssground guy. Yes, yeah, absolutely so, I
had a very active homeless ministry, and doing parish ministry
there was so much administrative responsibilities that it kept me
from doing all the other responsibilities that I loved.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, so let's get to the juicy part of tonight's conversation.
You are very open to the UFO phenomenon, Am I right?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
What is your experience with sort of UFOs, What have
you found through your research and how does that align
with your religious values?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Well, I think that I certainly believe that this in
my opinion, the evidence is there. It certainly it's credible
to argue the existence of UFOs. I mean, we certainly
see them. That's inevitable. I mean, especially with all the
drone situations. But I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Drones are for the drones situation. Even prior to that.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, because many many years ago, right before I went
to the seminary, I used to work for an airline
and we were cross utilize, so it was really it
was really cool. We work on the ramp and we
worked inside the tickets, and I got to meet a
lot of pilots and a lot of captains who have
had thirty forty years of experience. Many of them have
said they have seen things that they just simply could
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not explain however, UFOs UFOs. But most of them never
reported it because if you did, it was kind of
a taboo kind of a thing. It's like, Okay, we
need to check you out for see if you're you
know of sound mind. Now, because there are so many
people that are finally coming forward and saying, look, I
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not only am I saying this, but I am actually
reporting it to the FAA. See when when pilots and
captains who have thirty four years of experience flying seven
forty sevens or even bigger when they're willing to say
and make official reports to the FAA that that absolutely
one million percent should turn people's heads, right, because we're
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not even like you're you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Talking about commercial pilots, sure not factoring in Ryan Graves
and all these Native and Air Force pilots and astronauts
who are also pilots that have you know, testimony that
they've seen things that you would qualify as a UAP
or UFO. So there's amountain of evidence, you know, publicly
(18:01):
that this is a real phenomenon in your perspective of
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I mean, these are these are individuals who are very
analytical and the thought, they use logic, They are experts
in their field as far as obviously with a visual
I mean they are there. They control the emotions, especially astronauts. Look,
I'm a kid, I'm a space camp kid. I went
I went to space camp when I was a kid,
so I can tell you I met, I met. I
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had the opportunity to meet quite a few asset They
were very by the book. I'm incredibly by the book,
very analytical, and so I think there's there's really I
think unless someone is living under a rock that they
would actually think that UAPs or UFOs do not exist.
I can't. I can't even fathom that argument anymore as
being valid, that they don't exist. I just can't see
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that as being true.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, Yeah, And I mean, all the work that's being
done recently with Congress, it's just it all adds up to, Hey,
there's something happening here. We all want to know what's
going on, and we're trying to get more answers, obviously
from the public and from the powers that be, let's
(19:11):
say the military and the intelligence agency. I think they
have the keys to that car. But let's swing back
around to your faith and the organization that you represent,
and you tend to Catholicism. Where does that fit in
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the overarching belief system? Do you get challenged by people
within your community? Are you, you know, welcomed with these
thoughts by people in your community? Where does the Pope
sit on this? Like, how does that work?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah? Actually, the Vatican in twenty fourteen, Francis even said
that absolutely, that it's perfectly fine to believe in aliens.
And as a matter of fact, I was even asking
he would baptize an alien and so he said the
church should never close his door see anyone. So matter
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of fact, in twenty ten, the Vatican has a really
amazing astronomy department. There's a chief astronomer, and I forgot
his name, but he said that he would even baptize
an alien. Have asked so to me, there is no
question at all with certainly within the Roman Catholic Church,
they have already declared that it is okay to believe
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in UFOs and aliens. It doesn't invalidate our faith because
certainly God is the creator of all things, including alien life.
Now we don't know obviously their faith or that's a stretch,
that's certainly is we don't know. We have no idea
what they believe, what they know, what they don't know.
We just simply don't know. But we do know that
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God is creator of all things, including aliens.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Okay, so you answered probably my second question there. How
do you Now people may not know, they can go
up and look you up on Google, Bishop James Long,
and they will find that you have quite a deep
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understanding and research into demonology, demons, right evil spirits. Ye,
how do you reconcile demons and aliens existing? In the
same reality.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh very easy, very very easy, I mean even from
a metaphysical perspective, but just just when you look at
just the basic foundation of the nature and purpose. So
look and we see demonology in various religious texts. It
suggests that demons have clear metaphysical objectives tied to moral
and spiritual rems, so chiefly to attempt to see even
(21:57):
lead humans away from God. But with UFO and connors
are typically described in terms of physical phenomena without inherent
moral or spiritual implications. So the absence of discernible theological
agenda in UFO sightings, I think suggests a distinction from
classically defined at demonic activity. So you have to look
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at the intent. So with the with the UFO phenomena,
we do not see any form, at least from my perspective,
we do not see any type of the spiritual I
guess existence. Or with with the demons, you certainly do
you see the intent behind it, which is to desecrate
the obviously the image of Christ or the image of God,
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which all of us are created in God's image. So
I think with the UFOs, Now, there are some cases
I have read where some people have been allegedly abducted by.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Worrying attempted abductions.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Yes, and have have cried out, you know, Jesus helped
me now and then they would They stated that, of course,
then the abduction would stop. Now what does that mean?
We simply don't know. We can argue and theorize, but
is it is it possible that they know this Jesus
of Nazareth, We we simply do not know. That's something
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that I guess, well, we'll know when we sit down
and maybe one day if I could just have a
conversation with one of the graves, then we'll find out.
We'll find it all out.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
We'll discuss when you're done with them. Can you give
get them all?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Absolutely? Absolutely? I tell you what if if I'm visited
by one of those suckers said, I'm giving you a call,
rings a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Put me on speed, I want to talk. So then
does that sort of put into perspective that maybe these
people that were saying they were having an abduction experience
were perhaps having a having a demonic experience, and that's
why crying out like in the name of Christ would
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have thwarted that attempt. Like there's even that's deceiving a
human to think that it's an abduction.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Listen, uh, when you have to look at them them
when you're looking at demonology and uh. And I performed
thirty three exorcisms as of today, so I I know,
you know, my background on demonology is something that I've
devoted my entire life to. Look. Theological accounts describe demons
as spiritual beings. They're capable of influencing the material world,
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but they primarily exist in a non physical plane. The
purpose of possession is desecration of the image of God,
which we are creating in God's image. Once the desecration
is done, they're finished. They're done. They have no desire
to remain. They're finished with it. So when I said,
we didn't go on toys, they move on. Yeah, So
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they're they are. They are depicted as requiring possession or
manipulation to interact directly within the physical realm. But by contrast,
when you look at UFOs, they're perceived as physical objects
or phenomena, suggesting it like an origin from the material
universe rather than a purely a spiritual one. And I
think that understanding should should perhaps point towards a natural
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rather than a supernatural explanation.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, so you want to divide the two by A
demon does not ride a craft like it does not
have a purpose for a physical vehicle, doesn't a physical
It doesn't have a gray, alien looking body. It does
not have you know, a table that puts you on
and does medical experiments with.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Does not. Maybe it communicates telepathically, right, I mean people
that certainly. Yeah, So I think that's where things can
get a little bit blurry because abductees or experiencers slash
people that have had maybe demonic experiences. They have a
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lot of mind speak, right, They have a lot of
thoughts coming into their head that no one else can
hear around them. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Sure, and that's under the demonic obsession. So demonic oppression
demonic obsession. Now, but look, the deal with the whole
point is with demonic entities is to the eradication of
the intellect and will. So that's that falls under demonic
obsession and demonic oppression. So the demon is constantly a
barrage of attacks on the person's will. So biting, scratching,
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pinching is causing sleep deprivation, It causes the will to
be so depraved, in a praved state that the person
can no longer fight, and then it goes also demonic obsession,
so it attacks on an intellectual level. You begin to
hear it, it interacts with you, uh and and what
the way it interacts with you is very harmful. It's
very aggressive, very abusive. That's to eradicate the intellect. And
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so once the intellect and will have been eradicated, then
the person can no longer fight on an intellectual level
or a physical level, and then you have possession. They
see what we're looking at. I think with people who
claim to have been abducted, we don't see the ongoing
process as far as demons are not going to just
simply okay, well that was fun and then walk away.
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And no, they're going to continue a barrage of attacks,
and they're going to continue with the attacking of obviously
the image of God. They're going to intent continue because
we are created againting God's image. We have the living
Temple of the Holy Spirit, as Paul says, So it's
going to constantly, it's not going to relent. So that
won't it will not just say okay, well we're going
(27:45):
to leave now, and I think also with the UFOs
or with grays, especially with alien induction, the intent seems
by some arguments of pro creation. I've even heard of
arguments of this I have, but there seems to be
an intelligent, intelligent reasoning behind it, whether it be yeah,
(28:07):
whether it be research or or certainly nefarious. Now let's
make that clear. What they do, what they do to
humans is nefarious. But let me just make this clear
because people get see I think that's where people get
uh confused, because they see demons as nefarious. Certainly, they
see aliens who are abducting people, which I believe reports
are valid. They see that's nefarious, which is true. But
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it's not so far fetched that we in fact act
very much like the grays, right, because how many times
have we taken animals and then God Awful says, you know,
scientific experimentations or not even scientific experimentations, but just experimenting
by spraying cologne in the animal's eyes, just to see
if it would irritate them, to see if they could
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sell it to human beings so we can have the
best smell. So to me that that is just as
if more, that's barbaric, certainly so human beings when you
look at that perspective, when you look at history, it
seems like there's always a species that's dominant over another,
and perhaps they are certainly more, perhaps maybe intellectual advanced
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technologically speaking, But we do the same thing to animals. Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So when somebody says to you, whether it's from the
UFO community or the Catholic community, Bishop James Long, all
abductions are demons, what do you.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say, Well, I would say, will improve that abductions happen
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Okay, So that's the first thing you say to them.
Proved that abductions have happened in the first place.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
If the abduction is proven to happen, and the person
is still persistent that all physical abductions are demons, what
do you say in respect to that?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Then I would say, have you were you present in
all physical abductions?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay, that's that's a good answer. They're most likely they
have not been present.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Because when you make universal statements like that, that already
is erroneous because you know you can't make you can't
make universal statements like this unless it's objectively true. But
we don't know if it's objectively true, unless we've actually
been physically present in all abductions, so therefore that's a
stretch in logic.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Great, I appreciate that. So then we are on this
same page that abductions are something different if they're being
led by these non human intelligences that are interacting with
our planet and mankind. Right, yes, then demons are a
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evil spirit that have their own plan of conquest and
their own marching orders to carry out on mankind. Yes, okay,
what about angels? Are you hearing much from people that
actually refer to angelic presences in today's day and age.
(31:18):
It's a very negative world that we live in. I
am not hearing that much.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, actually, it's it's it's interesting because I've spoken to
quite a few people who have had near death experiences
that were clinically dead, and many of them say that
they have seen angels. They heard angels. Uh, they were
actually in heaven, they were clinically dead and they saw it.
And keep in mind, demons are angels. They are fallen angels.
They are fallen but unconfined angels. There there's there's there's
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a couple of theories as far as the demons and
what they are and the origins. Some people say they're
their spirits of deceased evil people. Incorrect, that was actually
a view of Philo and Josephus. Uh, it's some ancient
Greek and actually Luke chapter sixteen, verse twenty three says, Nope.
Some say it's the spirits of the pre atom race
based on the gap theory. Well, the problem with that
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view is that it depends on a creat of humanity
prior to Genesis one and two, so that we can't
make that. We can't argue that. Then they say that,
of course the offspring of angels and women, the Nephalom.
People need to the nephil were not offspring of angels
and women. The sons of God were known as the
children of Seth. Seth was the third child of Adam
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and Eve. Genesis chapter six, chapter six, verse four says
the Nephalom existed prior to prior and after the angels
or the sons of God had relations with women. So
therefore the Nephilm could not have been the offspring of
angels and women. And Jesus made it very clear by
the way that angels neither pro create or marry. So
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the whole idea that the Nephilom were offspring of angels women,
they're not. Genesis chapter six, verse four says they were not.
That was the book of Enoch and even tim Saint
Paul in One Timothy chapter four, verse seven, it says,
stop arguing over endless genealogies and the fullest myths of
the Nephilm. So because they were not, that's just that's
just a nonsense. Is a book from Enoch. It's incorrect. Actually,
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in the Subtuagen in the Greek translation of the Old
Testament nephilim and Greek means fierce warriors. It has nothing
to do, nothing to do with giants or offsprings of
angels and demons. Nothing. So that's just simply incorrect. So
theologically speaking, their fallen but unconfined angels.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, okay, So Nephelin, Nephilum and demons are even you're
saying those are two separate groups as well.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Totally, the Nephilim has nothing to do with demons, nothing
to do with demons. Nephelim means uh, fierce warriors. They
were the So the Nephilim existed. In Genesis chapter six,
US four says the nephilms existed before and after the
sons of God had relations with women, so therefore they
could not have been the nephilum, could not have been
the offspring if they were there before.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, okay, so your logic is pretty sound here, you know,
your theology studies and the history of it. Is this
kind of like your answer to Billy Carson and how
you know, he kind of parades the idea that humans
are part nephylum and part you know, whatever creature ape
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like man was here before.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Do you mean like Dan at all?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, kind of like that, like modern hopo homo sapiens.
You know. He kind of changes the creation story quite
often to be a mix of a reinterpretation of Biblical thought.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, well, here's it. I don't know this individual, to
be honest, because I haven't read much of it. I
know that Matthew chapter twenty two, verse twenty nine through
thirty Jesus made it very clear that that angels do
not marry and they're not given the way, and that
they don't pro create. Well, uh, that's that's who I
go by if I'm Christian, and if Jesus said they
don't do it, I'm going to say, Okay, they didn't
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do it, So I don't. I don't accept the fact
of the argument at all that we are the offspring
of demons and women. I just I theologically soundly refute that.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, what would be your message to the UFO community
and people that kind of are uh spreading the idea
that all non human intelligences that are interacting with this planet,
that maybe you know, sporting technological craft or are coming
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into our existence in a physical way and interacting with us,
are calling them demons? Uh, you know, just maybe tell
us a bit of your background in demonology and how
long you've been doing this stuff to sort of give
perspective on that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Well, yes, like I said, I've been studying since I
was nine years old and intensely. That didn't stop, and
then are studying the Roman Catholic Seminary, studied, the graduate,
went on to graduate school, received my minor ors, continue
to study and that's never stop. So I read as
much as I possibly can on demonology and angelology. Thomas
Aquinas even in Tsuma Theologica has a beautiful section on angels.
(36:31):
Look here here's the deal. Demons do not need they
don't need objects to fly around it. They just simply
don't need that. That's preposterous even to think about it.
So they're not going to fly around in drones. They're
just not going to do it. So I think we
have to realize demons are following the unconfined angels. They
are spirit They are spiritual beings. Their purpose is not
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to fly around and to scare you. That's not that
flying around in objects. Their purpose is to convince you
one that God does not exist. And two if you
refuse to accept that, and you perhaps offered invitation such
as like for example, let's go out to a location
and you say, come on, I dare you to do something.
I dare you to do something. Please understand you're not provoking,
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you are inviting. There's a big difference because you're saying
I dare you to do something that the demons is
literally with an interest saying oh I will, I'll do something.
When your wife or your husband leaves you and you
lose your job and you can't you're suffering from loneliness
and depression, that's when I will accept your invitation. See demons,
the intent is pure evil, pure evil. There's nothing good.
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There is nothing good they've already been judged, they've already
been eternally condemned. They want destruction at all costs. I
have never seen, never, ever in my life, have I
ever seen an alien abduct a human being and possessed them.
I have seen demonic entities cause horrible oppression and obsession
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and then possession takes place. And I have seen the
sacramentos of the church. I've did the solemn rite, the Rosary.
I have seen the reaction to it. I have seen
the contortion of the body, of the eyes going solid black,
the levitat form of levitation. I've seen those things. But
I have never seen a gray take possession of a
(38:29):
human being. And I think that's important, isn't it, Because
the difference between a demonic entity is they want to possess,
to control, to desecrate. Whereas we see with grays in abduction,
it seems like there has there's some type of scientific
intent behind it. There is no scientific intent behind demons.
They want to destroy, that's what they want to do,
(38:52):
completely destroy, desecrate the body. Whereas people who are abducted,
sometimes they have people who are long term, they get
abducted several times, but they don't see a desecration of
the body as far as the destruction of the body,
and I think we have to look at the intent.
It seems like people who are abducted, especially if they're
abducted multiple times, perhaps obviously for scientific reasons, but with demons,
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that that's not the case. They don't want to keep
you alive. They want to destroy you. They want to
destroy the body, and they're not going to there's no
scientific experiment going on. It's total destruction of the intellect and.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Will Okay, look, you've given me a great explanation tonight.
I don't want to keep you forever. I really respect you,
bless you, Thank you, Bishop James Long, and I hope
we can talk about this again sometime in the future. Okay, folks,
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we're back. That was my pre recorded conversation with Archbishop
James Long, who has done thirty three exorcisms performed.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
He's a believer that UFOs are you know, possibly non
human physical non human intelligence that are pallated and they
are not demons. That's what he says from a Catholic perspective. Dale,
just before we go to hands, what's your sort of
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thought on all of this.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, I actually was relieved because I ran into somebody
in Roswell that it's all demons, and it's like and
I think that the bishop made it clear that there
are demons out there, but there's a distinction between the
demons and the Grays or the Nordics or whatever. And
(40:56):
so I couldn't get any common ground with a guy
in Roswell. It was either all demons or it was
all or nothing with him and stuff. Now, the one
thing I did probably I have question with And just
to give you my credentials, I have a master's degree
as well, and in studying the Bible, I've never found
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that demons and fallen angels are the same thing. I'm
not telling you I know where the demons come from.
I've heard the nefhliinit explanation. I thought he put that
to bed pretty well. But I've never seen anything that
shows that demons are fallen angels. I can't tell you
where they came from. But that would be the one
(41:38):
point I probably would disagree with him on. But I
thought he did an excellent job of describing exactly why
demons are one thing and why aliens are another. And
I think this is a common problem within the community
is they get conflated, They get like, Okay, these are
the same thing, when they're really not.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay, But just by the christ Christian perspective, can I
clarify with you, Lucifer was an angel?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yes, okay, he was.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
He was a chief angel I think, supposedly in charge
of music at one point, and so was worship in heaven.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Now was Lucifer cast down from heaven?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's what the Bible says, yes, okay. And if you
go to the beginning story of the serpent in the
Garden of Eden, that would be satan. Now how much
of it that's metaphorical, I don't know, okay, but that's
the trick with the Bible.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
If you go from the Christian perspective, and also, let's
say the Catholic perspective, because that's where Archbishop James Long
is coming from. Lucifer cast down, he's in the garden
of Eden, he was a former angel. He is therefore,
in that perspective, a demon.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Right, I would not say that, I would say fallen angel.
That that would be my understanding of it, that he's
a fallen angel, not a demon, because he doesn't possess
anybody he entices them to take, because God gave them
only one tree in the whole stinking garden that they
were not supposed to eat from. And yet Satan told
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him that when they ate from that tree, then they
would they would be like God, they would know good
and evil. And so he enticed Eve. Eve handed it
to her husband.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
They both ate.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
But I don't, and that's just my personal opinion. I
don't see fallen angels and demons as the same thing.
I'm not going with the Nephelim or some of the
other explanations. I'm just being honest enough to say I
don't know where demons came from. I don't think that's
clear in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Okay, so it's it's a bit of a loose interpretation.
But Bishop James Long's interpretation from a Catholic perspective is
that demons are fallen angels. Just heard that. That may
be an actual Catholic doctrine. Okay. And you're difference, You've.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Got to understand their difference between the Protestants and the Catholics.
You know that they split off somewhere. I think around
twelve hundred is when the split began. The first one.
Maybe that was the Greek Orthodox Church. But and then
Martin Luther was the major split where the Protestant Reformation
movement began.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And then you know, originally Catholicism is the ancient Christian religion,
and Christianity came out of Catholicism, right.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It evolved out of it. There are some there are people,
and I'm not one of them, that think that that
was the corrupted Church and that what came out of
it was back to the original Church. In fact, the
movement I'm a part of is, you know, we're New
Testament Christians. We're going We're going back to the Bible.
I don't hold that myself, though, I want to say
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that I think Catholics are just as much Christian as
anybody else. I know people try to demonize them. I'm
not one of those people.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Okay, thank you for your perspective on this. I just
you know, we're having the open conversation because one of
the most popular themes discussed on UFO Twitter or just
Twitter in general. I've joined spaces that are like mostly political,
that are non UFO related and had like a lady
(45:31):
scream at me UFOs and aliens or demons and I'm like, well,
what the heck is your basis on that?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So I thought that this space would serve a purpose
to try and bring to the forefront the history of
what a demon is considered and where that terminology came from,
and so on and so forth. Andy, can you pipe
in here? I know that you're also you have a
Christian background. You wanted so for perspective for people that
(46:03):
just so they know the reason why we're discussing this
tonight is because Andy said to me, as my co host,
my friend, when I said, Hey, what do you want
to discuss this week? He's like, Hey, would you ask
maybe past the Dale if he could come up and
talk about you know, you know, how he how UFOs
(46:24):
are related to his religion and how he you know,
can you know, uh settles that in his mind? Can
they both exist? And how they demons and all that stuff.
And I was like, cool, So I asked Dale. Dale's like, look,
one hundred percent, I'll speak to it somewhat, but I'm
uncomfortable just like saying that I know everything about this
(46:46):
because it may offend certain people.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Cool. So I went and found Bishop James Long, who
is a uh you know arch bishop that doess and
has dealt with demons. So there you go, Andy, what
do you think. I'm just gonna turn over the conversation
to you and let you take over for a second.
(47:10):
My dog is crying and I'm gonna let you lead
for a second.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
Okay, thanks course.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
It was mainly because I was I was really curious
when Darcy first told me that, well, this is toward
you past the dale that you were a part of this.
You're the second pastor that I've ever heard of that
accepts this I guess phenomenon alongside the belief in your religion.
(47:41):
Like Darcy said, you know, I do come from a
religious background. I was born Catholic, and I used to
be a an usher and then converted to Christianity and
was ushering there. But once I had my experience with
what I saw, it kind of just throw everything out
of whack. I just I didn't know how to interpret
(48:04):
and combine both until as I was, you know, going
through life trying to understand and researching and you know,
making sense of everything, I began to kind of put
the phenomenon and merge it with certain parts of religion
or the Bible when things started to kind of make
(48:24):
a lot more sense than it did when I was
in church, not believing in this or not, you know,
having that experience. So when he told me about you, Pastor,
I was like, you know, I'm curious to.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I'm curious to pick your brain.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
In that, because as someone who's devoted to God who
also believes in this, do you feel that there is
a connection where the phenomenon may have been a catalyst
for what we believed in or would you believe in? Now?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Are many people leave it?
Speaker 6 (49:00):
Could that actually have actual legitimate ties to what we
now consider these religions that that that we believe it?
You understand what I'm saying, Like, that's that's kind of
what I've gotten along, you know, my my path of researchingness.
So I'm just curious what your thoughts in that aspect
are giving your position at allways.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, the first thing I want to make clear is
I am not religious. I don't I don't think religion
ever helped anyone. I'm spiritual. I have certain things I believe,
but I believe ultimately love God, love people. I mean,
that's what Jesus said, the Great Commandment was and so
that's what my focus is and stuff. But I you know,
the one thing I did when I came into this
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community is I purposely set aside my training because I
didn't want to be biased as I looked at the evidence,
I knew if I looked at the evidence through my training,
I knew what I would see. And unfortunately a lot
of Christians come into this community, but not just Christians.
Whatever your bias might be, you come in it and
you interpret what you see through your own experience or
(50:08):
through your own belief system. And I made a conscious
effort to do the best I could to come at
this with a clean slate. Now no one completely does that,
but that was my goal to get to eliminate my
own training so that I could just look at the evidence. Now,
I'll be honest with you, I can see how as
you look at some of the things that people called
(50:29):
gods in all the different religions, I can see how
people can look at that and say, well, maybe that
was just aliens. You know, if we went back into
the first century right now, with the technology we have,
I mean, we could be mistaken for gods. But the
one thing I always hold true to and the one
thing that always makes sense to me is I don't
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care whether you're talking about aliens or whatever else. There's
no explanation for the existence of the universe or even
man or even aliens without some kind of creator. And
I'm not going to tell other people to decide and
tell him who that creator is. I think every person
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needs to be able to go and study for themselves
and make their own decision. But the one thing I'm
absolutely sure on sure of is that there is someone
somebody started as somebody has to have always existed. You
can call him God, you can call him whatever you want,
but there has to be someone who's always existed. Otherwise
where did everything come from. And I don't believe aliens
(51:33):
are God. I absolutely do not believe that. I believe
they are a creation, just like the bishop said. So
that's just my take on it. It's not a threat
to my faith because I can see them coexist. I mean,
if God created us, why couldn't he create other species.
That's the one thing the guy in Roswell could not
understand is the fact that he couldn't accept the fact
(51:54):
that God could have created other species. He challenged me
on it, and he so show me in a Bible.
I said, well, the Bible says God created the heavens
in the earth, And I said, so the heavens would
include other planets with possible life on them, And so
I don't see any kind of conflict. I realized that
I'm probably in the minority with a lot of pastors.
(52:15):
I don't think they processed this yet. Hopefully the church
will catch up though, isn't.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Isn't there isn't there a part in the Bible I
believe Genesis where they make reference to or there's a
reference to the kings of the planets or something like that.
So what you know, like, how would you interpret them?
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I don't think i've heard that to think about.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Sorry, we're going to go to hands now.
Speaker 6 (52:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, if I could just have your time for just
one minute, I'll just give you my background like you
did so you understand me. I'm a mechanical and electrical engineer,
and my career has been business transformation using information technology
across energy and utility, retail, aerospace, and defense. So I
(53:03):
would ask you, I look at everything that I know
today as that gentleman just said. So, first of all,
angels is really like angles and over time. Now we've
got everything digitized, we have a three sixty view of
information that we didn't have before to now prove the
answer that already exists. And I would ask you to
(53:27):
think about what is alpha to omega? That is humans
using mass and light to make energy, and we do
it via owns law, which is using amps right and
resistance to make voltage that we power appliances with. So
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that's your alpha to omega.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Now nobody would.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Know that back in zero AD or thirty AD. We
had to learn it, so it's been a learning curve it.
Now if you take four score and twenty and look
at a musical stanza, it's a top e and a
low e. So that's the range we're in.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, Now, in.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
The Bible it said let there be light, but before
that was sound. Now I have in my ears and
I don't lie a sonar and I get signal steps
in my ears. Now if you think about frequency waves,
because we came from an energy that became a vibration
(54:37):
ev and then gave us energy. Now when you overheat, wait.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Can I just tell you are for we got But can.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
I just finish this one thing? I'm always finished.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, well, I got to go to commercial I got
to go to commercial break. Can I say with the
radio you said a lot and you get no. Oh
my lord, I might even consider you being demonic right now.
I know I'm just choking. All right, So we're gonna
go to a commercial break. I am live on KGRA radio.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Vert.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You got your your words in there for the audience
on KGr. But just remember, folks, you can continue on
with the conversation live on UFO Twitter. We have a
space every week on Wednesdays. Come join take part in
the after show. Uh and verb. We'll pick up. We'll
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continue this conversation in just a moment after I play
the outro.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Thank you two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
I can sense them in my so I guess I'm
just very tuned.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
In bulkan head. Honchow walks out your reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in
the public. So error error, all right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Ver.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I guess bailed. That was Uh.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
I feel bad.
Speaker 6 (56:35):
But unfortunately I had to because I know we had
to cut that for the show. I had to kind
of knock her off because you wouldn't stop you talking.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
All right, Well, maybe she can join in another time.
But yeah, unfortunately, guys, when it is going live to
kg r A, it's not you know, I'm an amateur host.
Obviously I'm better at other things. But this is the
first fifty five minutes of the show. We really kind
(57:07):
of people can't go crazy with the explanations of things,
but we can do it now. Who's up next? T
o Star Citizen? What's going on?
Speaker 6 (57:22):
I think Citizen had his handle first.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Okay, yeah, Citizen, well was first.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Go for it. Who are we talking to here, Citizen?
Affirm diplomat? Yeah, how you doing fighting?
Speaker 5 (57:44):
Oh? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I will say, just to cut you off real quick,
you know, I stopped the recording. We had a conversation afterwards,
and Bishop James Long is going to come on in
two weeks and do a whole hour Q and A
with yeah live with all you guys here, right, so
(58:09):
you'll be able to ask him whatever you want, keep
that list of questions and fire away. In two weeks.
He'll probably tell you all about the exorcisms he's performed
and all kinds of stuff. So I didn't get into
the minutia, but I just wanted to discuss the difference
between aliens, demons, UFOs demons, you know, all that jazz,
(58:33):
because it gets very blurry when you go into these
spaces and discuss these themes, and many of these people
do not even know the root of demonology or demons,
and it comes from Catholicism, right, So there you go.
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I can sense them in my vicinity.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So I guess I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Walk in head Han Show, walks out ear reveal. Yeah,
the crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the
secrets from the Air Force that were not out there
in public. So welcome back to last night on UFO
(00:55):
Twitter folks. Tonight, we got an interesting show for you.
You know, we've been interacting with the UFO Twitter community.
I love these people. I appreciate everybody that wants to
have a voice in this phenomenon. We've been interacting with,
(01:15):
let's say UFO influencers in certain ways outside of the
Twitter community, and something that quite often comes up. For example,
Danny Jones just put out, you know, some viral interview
stuff this week talking with Diana Posalka about this hierarchy
(01:39):
that apparently Tyler referred to this like, you know UFO
insider that worked with NASA, that there's a hierarchy in
which humans are kind of at the bottom of the intelligenced.
And let's say, uh Eved totem poll and then from
(02:02):
there you go up and it's like aliens, demons, angels,
and God. So this is a controversial subject and I
cannot sit here and pretend that I know the truth
to all of this. You know, I would be lying
(02:25):
if I did say that I was telling you the
absolute and only truth that exists in terms of this question. However,
I did want to bring to the forefront tonight this
discussion with a subject matter expert. Usually we have Dale
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kind of kick off the conversation of these spaces. He
gives us something positive to think about. And you know,
he's a pastor with a Christian practice, and I've had
this conversation with him too before, So Dale, why don't
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you kick it off? And then I'm going to bring
in the conversation with Bishop James Long. This is a
archbishop in the Catholic Church. He's got a huge following online.
If you look him up on for example, TikTok, he's
(03:29):
got seven hundred thousand followers there. And you know this guy,
just so people understand his background, he's performed thirty three exorcisms.
So this man actually has interacted with demons, and it's
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important that we have subject matter experts like this address
what is so commonly argue about in the UFO community,
especially on UIFO Twitter, because many people say aliens or
demons or I don't know why I'm using an accent
aliens or demons or you know, demons are aliens and
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vice versa. But you know, let's hear it from a
different perspective of just people that are painting a broad
brush on this subject. So I'm going to bring in
Twitter to the kg R dally there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I was just waiting for you to finish.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Go for amends speak want to catch off.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All right, you guys know I have a catchphrase for
each one of my talks with you guys. Today's catchphrase
is It's not about you. That's one thing that we
have to remember, It's not about you. You know, something
happened this week that was pretty upsetting for me. You know,
as a pastor a lot of people come to me
when there's a crisis in their lives. And I got
(05:00):
one of those phone calls this last this week, and
the wife was hysterical. She had she found out that
her husband was doing drugs, that he was addicted to
meth and the thing that upset her the most was
that he had been lying to her. I don't know
how she got him to do it, but somehow she
bought a yurine test and forced him to take it.
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Reminds me of something you do for a kid. But
he tested positive, and so she was upset. They got
in a big blow up, and he was on his
way to the bank take her name off of the
checking account, and he was on his way out, and
I told her, I said, you know, you can't confront
someone like your husband because all he's going to do
is run. I mean, and the good thing about this
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guy is he's not a bad guy, and he's actually
a pretty good guy. But you know, the other thing
I told her is when it comes to addictions, addicts lie.
I mean, that doesn't mean that he's a liar over
the rest of his life. Addicts lie because that's how
they get by with their addiction. They keep it hidden,
and they keep it hidden by lying. And then I
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told her something that was kind of difficult to tell her.
You know, I told her I understood how bad she
was hurting, but I said, right now, the focus has
to be on your husband. It's not about you, and say,
just think about cancer. If it was cancer, the focus
would be on him. But drug addiction is a disease.
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And so I convinced her that, you know, she needed
to put in first. And I asked her, I said,
you know, I wish you would have told me. Would
I would have loved to have given you some advice
so that it didn't get this far, because it really
looked like, you know, the marriage was over. I mean,
the guy was going to take his wife's name off
the checking account. But I told her, immediately send him
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a text. You tell him you love him, because that's
the one thing he needs to hear most right now,
is that you haven't given up on him. And so
I reminded her, you know, once again, it's not about you.
I was so relieved the next when I called and
I found out that the husband had come home, that
the text worked and stuff. So it was a valuable
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lesson and now he's wanting to get help. I don't
know how it turned around so fast, but I'm grateful
that it did. And so how does this apply to
the UAP community. Well, let me say it again. The
same principle applies. It's not about you. I think one
of the things that is absolutely killing disclosure are all
the egos that are out there. I mean, everybody seems
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to want to be top dog, and it's a dogg
eat dog race out there, and it's just not healthy forever.
Going to get to disclosure, we've got to put our
egos behind us. We've got to work together because remember,
it's not about you, it's not about me, It's about disclosure.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Agreed, Dale, appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let's get to the conversation with Bishop James Long, so
I'm going to actually bring in audio. He has a
night school that he does his prayers, prayer groups and
stuff with. Sorry, I don't really know how it works
as a nonpracticing human being, but he took the time
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before tonight's show to really let me dig down and
ask all these questions in terms of demons, aliens, UFOs, angels.
And you're going to hear this right now and then
we're going to open it up and discuss it as
a group. So give me a thumbs up if you
can hear this. He's been how long you've been practicing, sir?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
For twenty two years? Very cool?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And what is your area?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Well, of course I knew I wanted to be a priest.
When I was five that I began studying books on demonology.
And when I was nine and I just I just
had such a drive I could not stop reading, which
it became not an obsession, but just like it was
just I knew that I needed to do it. It
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was just I was just naturally drawn to it. And
the more I read, the more I wanted to read more,
and so it just kind of grew from there. So
I'm I'm the presiding archbishop for the United States or
Catholic Church. And one of my ministries, one of the
mini ministries that I do, is I serve as an exorcist.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, and people would be pretty excited to know that,
you know, you're a bishop. So for some people that
don't understand this, you know, there are levels there. There's
kind of hierarchies within the Catholic religion in terms of
professional leaders who are leading the faith. And so there
(10:02):
is reverends. Uh, there are priests, there are bishops, and
then above a bishop is you know, like a cardinal
and that type of thing in the Roman Church, yes, oh, okay,
(10:22):
in the Roman Church. Okay, So then you're you know,
you're you're practicing in Catholicism, and then like below being
a bishop, what are sort of like the levels that
leadership and guiding the faith.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
So I studied for the a Roman Catholic priest who
for six years received my minor orders there. And uh,
I had everything planned out. I mean, my life was planned.
I knew what was what I was going to be
a Roman Catholic parish priest and life was going to
be good and that's what I was going to do.
And uh, and then the seminary, I just felt God
kind of judging me over in a different direction. And
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that was not that was not in my plan at all,
because you know, how do you go from you know,
want to be a Roman Catholic priest to say, okay,
now James, I need you over here because over there
I didn't know what over there meant because with you know,
with the old Catholic Church. See, we don't receive stipends.
We received no retirements, no paycheck, no salary. This ministry
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we fund with our own income. So there's no retirement,
there's no housing. You don't they don't give you a
church and say that there you go, Uh, you just
you fund it yourself, and so I learned that God
had called me to serve everybody, you know, regardless of
the denomination. And I've I've had to learn that process
that you know, throughout this two decades. But so when
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you have the you have the presiding archbishop for a jurisdiction,
So you have the presiding archbishop and the Old Catholic Church.
Each bishop has their own jurisdiction. So within the Old
Catholic Church, you might have some Old Catholic communities that
are ultra conservative. You may have some that are ultraliberal,
and there are some that are moderate. You may have
some that only do the Latin Rite and some do
the nov Soto. So it really just depends on the
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jurisdiction itself. So the presiding Archbishop is the individual through
whom all faculties are given. So in other words, you
have the presiding archbishop, and then you have auxiliary bishops
under them, and then you of course, if you have
a religious order, so we have an abbot of a
Benedictine community, and then of course you have priests, deacons,
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and then the seminarians, and then of course you have
the professed. So the individuals who want to become a Benedictine.
I'm a Benedictine. So you can be a fully professed
Benedictine and not be ordained to the diaconate or to
the presbyterate. You want to live a religious lifestyle, so
as a benedicted.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Very interesting like to sort of break down those levels
within the faith that you are practicing. So you are
are just below an archbishop?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Is that I am an archbishop? You are? I am
the presiding archbishop for the United States o Catholic Church.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Oh wow, okay, so you are guiding all those levels
under everything.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Yeah. And then and then what we do is with
you with the United States Catholic Church, we govern by
the Council of Bishops. So we have a council of
bishops that are over overseeing you know, the Catechism and
et cetera, daily the daily business of just obviously governing
a church community and which can be a lot especially
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if especially if you have a thriving community. Our community
is we have an extremely thriving community online right now.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I see. I mean, I've I've been on your show.
I've been on your TikTok before, over seven hundred thousand
followers on that excuse me, and uh, you know, plus
you have a kg R A show, and and you
know you're streaming on all these different social media platforms.
(14:04):
Are you on Twitter? By the way, I am okay,
send me you're at because i want to make sure
that you hear the Twitter space that I'm hosting tonight
and I'm going to feature this conversation in because I
couldn't find you. But you are guiding a huge amount
of people, Like how many churches are you kind of
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overseeing within your diocese.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We don't focus on the churches at all if as
a matter of fact, most of the clergy do not
have a building, nor do they want to build because
remember we don't have we don't collect money, so which
was very difficult when you're trying to when you're trying
to focus on building churches, because there are two three
hundred thousand dollars buildings. So that's not what we focus on.
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What we focus on is homeless ministry. We focus on
going to visiting the nursing homes or doing chaplaincy in
the hospital. We instead of having a building and say okay,
now come to us, we actually get out of the
building and go to the people and administer the sacraments
that way, and quite honestly, it's it's intelligent to do
that for many reasons. Number one, many of our clergy
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can't afford to spend two three hundred thousand dollars on
a building because they have to pay for it out
of their own pocket. And so really I did. I did.
I did parish ministry for quite some time, and although
it is uh, I enjoyed it, but at the same time,
it was almost restrictive because I wanted to get out.
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So I wanted to get out to the public because
I had a homelesssground guy. Yes, yeah, absolutely so, I
had a very active homeless ministry, and doing parish ministry
there was so much administrative responsibilities that it kept me
from doing all the other responsibilities that I loved.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, so let's get to the juicy part of tonight's conversation.
You are very open to the UFO phenomenon, Am I right?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
What is your experience with sort of UFOs, What have
you found through your research and how does that align
with your religious values?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Well, I think that I certainly believe that this in
my opinion, the evidence is there. It certainly it's credible
to argue the existence of UFOs. I mean, we certainly
see them. That's inevitable. I mean, especially with all the
drone situations. But I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Drones are for the drones situation. Even prior to that.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, because many many years ago, right before I went
to the seminary, I used to work for an airline
and we were cross utilize, so it was really it
was really cool. We work on the ramp and we
worked inside the tickets, and I got to meet a
lot of pilots and a lot of captains who have
had thirty forty years of experience. Many of them have
said they have seen things that they just simply could
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not explain however, UFOs UFOs. But most of them never
reported it because if you did, it was kind of
a taboo kind of a thing. It's like, Okay, we
need to check you out for see if you're you
know of sound mind. Now, because there are so many
people that are finally coming forward and saying, look, I
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not only am I saying this, but I am actually
reporting it to the FAA. See when when pilots and
captains who have thirty four years of experience flying seven
forty sevens or even bigger when they're willing to say
and make official reports to the FAA that that absolutely
one million percent should turn people's heads, right, because we're
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not even like you're you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Talking about commercial pilots, sure not factoring in Ryan Graves
and all these Native and Air Force pilots and astronauts
who are also pilots that have you know, testimony that
they've seen things that you would qualify as a UAP
or UFO. So there's amountain of evidence, you know, publicly
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that this is a real phenomenon in your perspective of
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I mean, these are these are individuals who are very
analytical and the thought, they use logic, They are experts
in their field as far as obviously with a visual
I mean they are there. They control the emotions, especially astronauts. Look,
I'm a kid, I'm a space camp kid. I went
I went to space camp when I was a kid,
so I can tell you I met, I met. I
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had the opportunity to meet quite a few asset They
were very by the book. I'm incredibly by the book,
very analytical, and so I think there's there's really I
think unless someone is living under a rock that they
would actually think that UAPs or UFOs do not exist.
I can't. I can't even fathom that argument anymore as
being valid, that they don't exist. I just can't see
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that as being true.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, Yeah, And I mean, all the work that's being
done recently with Congress, it's just it all adds up to, Hey,
there's something happening here. We all want to know what's
going on, and we're trying to get more answers, obviously
from the public and from the powers that be, let's
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say the military and the intelligence agency. I think they
have the keys to that car. But let's swing back
around to your faith and the organization that you represent,
and you tend to Catholicism. Where does that fit in
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the overarching belief system? Do you get challenged by people
within your community? Are you, you know, welcomed with these
thoughts by people in your community? Where does the Pope
sit on this? Like, how does that work?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah? Actually, the Vatican in twenty fourteen, Francis even said
that absolutely, that it's perfectly fine to believe in aliens.
And as a matter of fact, I was even asking
he would baptize an alien and so he said the
church should never close his door see anyone. So matter
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of fact, in twenty ten, the Vatican has a really
amazing astronomy department. There's a chief astronomer, and I forgot
his name, but he said that he would even baptize
an alien. Have asked so to me, there is no
question at all with certainly within the Roman Catholic Church,
they have already declared that it is okay to believe
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in UFOs and aliens. It doesn't invalidate our faith because
certainly God is the creator of all things, including alien life.
Now we don't know obviously their faith or that's a stretch,
that's certainly is we don't know. We have no idea
what they believe, what they know, what they don't know.
We just simply don't know. But we do know that
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God is creator of all things, including aliens.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Okay, so you answered probably my second question there. How
do you Now people may not know, they can go
up and look you up on Google, Bishop James Long,
and they will find that you have quite a deep
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understanding and research into demonology, demons, right evil spirits. Ye,
how do you reconcile demons and aliens existing? In the
same reality.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh very easy, very very easy, I mean even from
a metaphysical perspective, but just just when you look at
just the basic foundation of the nature and purpose. So
look and we see demonology in various religious texts. It
suggests that demons have clear metaphysical objectives tied to moral
and spiritual rems, so chiefly to attempt to see even
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lead humans away from God. But with UFO and connors
are typically described in terms of physical phenomena without inherent
moral or spiritual implications. So the absence of discernible theological
agenda in UFO sightings, I think suggests a distinction from
classically defined at demonic activity. So you have to look
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at the intent. So with the with the UFO phenomena,
we do not see any form, at least from my perspective,
we do not see any type of the spiritual I
guess existence. Or with with the demons, you certainly do
you see the intent behind it, which is to desecrate
the obviously the image of Christ or the image of God,
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which all of us are created in God's image. So
I think with the UFOs, Now, there are some cases
I have read where some people have been allegedly abducted by.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Worrying attempted abductions.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Yes, and have have cried out, you know, Jesus helped
me now and then they would They stated that, of course,
then the abduction would stop. Now what does that mean?
We simply don't know. We can argue and theorize, but
is it is it possible that they know this Jesus
of Nazareth, We we simply do not know. That's something
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that I guess, well, we'll know when we sit down
and maybe one day if I could just have a
conversation with one of the graves, then we'll find out.
We'll find it all out.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
We'll discuss when you're done with them. Can you give
get them all?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Absolutely? Absolutely? I tell you what if if I'm visited
by one of those suckers said, I'm giving you a call,
rings a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Put me on speed, I want to talk. So then
does that sort of put into perspective that maybe these
people that were saying they were having an abduction experience
were perhaps having a having a demonic experience, and that's
why crying out like in the name of Christ would
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have thwarted that attempt. Like there's even that's deceiving a
human to think that it's an abduction.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Listen, uh, when you have to look at them them
when you're looking at demonology and uh. And I performed
thirty three exorcisms as of today, so I I know,
you know, my background on demonology is something that I've
devoted my entire life to. Look. Theological accounts describe demons
as spiritual beings. They're capable of influencing the material world,
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but they primarily exist in a non physical plane. The
purpose of possession is desecration of the image of God,
which we are creating in God's image. Once the desecration
is done, they're finished. They're done. They have no desire
to remain. They're finished with it. So when I said,
we didn't go on toys, they move on. Yeah, So
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they're they are. They are depicted as requiring possession or
manipulation to interact directly within the physical realm. But by contrast,
when you look at UFOs, they're perceived as physical objects
or phenomena, suggesting it like an origin from the material
universe rather than a purely a spiritual one. And I
think that understanding should should perhaps point towards a natural
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rather than a supernatural explanation.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, so you want to divide the two by A
demon does not ride a craft like it does not
have a purpose for a physical vehicle, doesn't a physical
It doesn't have a gray, alien looking body. It does
not have you know, a table that puts you on
and does medical experiments with.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Does not. Maybe it communicates telepathically, right, I mean people
that certainly. Yeah, So I think that's where things can
get a little bit blurry because abductees or experiencers slash
people that have had maybe demonic experiences. They have a
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lot of mind speak, right, They have a lot of
thoughts coming into their head that no one else can
hear around them. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Sure, and that's under the demonic obsession. So demonic oppression
demonic obsession. Now, but look, the deal with the whole
point is with demonic entities is to the eradication of
the intellect and will. So that's that falls under demonic
obsession and demonic oppression. So the demon is constantly a
barrage of attacks on the person's will. So biting, scratching,
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pinching is causing sleep deprivation, It causes the will to
be so depraved, in a praved state that the person
can no longer fight, and then it goes also demonic obsession,
so it attacks on an intellectual level. You begin to
hear it, it interacts with you, uh and and what
the way it interacts with you is very harmful. It's
very aggressive, very abusive. That's to eradicate the intellect. And
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so once the intellect and will have been eradicated, then
the person can no longer fight on an intellectual level
or a physical level, and then you have possession. They
see what we're looking at. I think with people who
claim to have been abducted, we don't see the ongoing
process as far as demons are not going to just
simply okay, well that was fun and then walk away.
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And no, they're going to continue a barrage of attacks,
and they're going to continue with the attacking of obviously
the image of God. They're going to intent continue because
we are created againting God's image. We have the living
Temple of the Holy Spirit, as Paul says, So it's
going to constantly, it's not going to relent. So that
won't it will not just say okay, well we're going
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to leave now, and I think also with the UFOs
or with grays, especially with alien induction, the intent seems
by some arguments of pro creation. I've even heard of
arguments of this I have, but there seems to be
an intelligent, intelligent reasoning behind it, whether it be yeah,
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whether it be research or or certainly nefarious. Now let's
make that clear. What they do, what they do to
humans is nefarious. But let me just make this clear
because people get see I think that's where people get
uh confused, because they see demons as nefarious. Certainly, they
see aliens who are abducting people, which I believe reports
are valid. They see that's nefarious, which is true. But
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it's not so far fetched that we in fact act
very much like the grays, right, because how many times
have we taken animals and then God Awful says, you know,
scientific experimentations or not even scientific experimentations, but just experimenting
by spraying cologne in the animal's eyes, just to see
if it would irritate them, to see if they could
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sell it to human beings so we can have the
best smell. So to me that that is just as
if more, that's barbaric, certainly so human beings when you
look at that perspective, when you look at history, it
seems like there's always a species that's dominant over another,
and perhaps they are certainly more, perhaps maybe intellectual advanced
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technologically speaking, But we do the same thing to animals. Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So when somebody says to you, whether it's from the
UFO community or the Catholic community, Bishop James Long, all
abductions are demons, what do you.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say, Well, I would say, will improve that abductions happen
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Okay, So that's the first thing you say to them.
Proved that abductions have happened in the first place.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
If the abduction is proven to happen, and the person
is still persistent that all physical abductions are demons, what
do you say in respect to that?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Then I would say, have you were you present in
all physical abductions?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay, that's that's a good answer. They're most likely they
have not been present.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Because when you make universal statements like that, that already
is erroneous because you know you can't make you can't
make universal statements like this unless it's objectively true. But
we don't know if it's objectively true, unless we've actually
been physically present in all abductions, so therefore that's a
stretch in logic.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Great, I appreciate that. So then we are on this
same page that abductions are something different if they're being
led by these non human intelligences that are interacting with
our planet and mankind. Right, yes, then demons are a
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evil spirit that have their own plan of conquest and
their own marching orders to carry out on mankind. Yes, okay,
what about angels? Are you hearing much from people that
actually refer to angelic presences in today's day and age.
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It's a very negative world that we live in. I
am not hearing that much.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, actually, it's it's it's interesting because I've spoken to
quite a few people who have had near death experiences
that were clinically dead, and many of them say that
they have seen angels. They heard angels. Uh, they were
actually in heaven, they were clinically dead and they saw it.
And keep in mind, demons are angels. They are fallen angels.
They are fallen but unconfined angels. There there's there's there's
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a couple of theories as far as the demons and
what they are and the origins. Some people say they're
their spirits of deceased evil people. Incorrect, that was actually
a view of Philo and Josephus. Uh, it's some ancient
Greek and actually Luke chapter sixteen, verse twenty three says, Nope.
Some say it's the spirits of the pre atom race
based on the gap theory. Well, the problem with that
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view is that it depends on a creat of humanity
prior to Genesis one and two, so that we can't
make that. We can't argue that. Then they say that,
of course the offspring of angels and women, the Nephalom.
People need to the nephil were not offspring of angels
and women. The sons of God were known as the
children of Seth. Seth was the third child of Adam
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and Eve. Genesis chapter six, chapter six, verse four says
the Nephalom existed prior to prior and after the angels
or the sons of God had relations with women. So
therefore the Nephilm could not have been the offspring of
angels and women. And Jesus made it very clear by
the way that angels neither pro create or marry. So
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the whole idea that the Nephilom were offspring of angels women,
they're not. Genesis chapter six, verse four says they were not.
That was the book of Enoch and even tim Saint
Paul in One Timothy chapter four, verse seven, it says,
stop arguing over endless genealogies and the fullest myths of
the Nephilm. So because they were not, that's just that's
just a nonsense. Is a book from Enoch. It's incorrect. Actually,
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in the Subtuagen in the Greek translation of the Old
Testament nephilim and Greek means fierce warriors. It has nothing
to do, nothing to do with giants or offsprings of
angels and demons. Nothing. So that's just simply incorrect. So
theologically speaking, their fallen but unconfined angels.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, okay, So Nephelin, Nephilum and demons are even you're
saying those are two separate groups as well.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Totally, the Nephilim has nothing to do with demons, nothing
to do with demons. Nephelim means uh, fierce warriors. They
were the So the Nephilim existed. In Genesis chapter six,
US four says the nephilms existed before and after the
sons of God had relations with women, so therefore they
could not have been the nephilum, could not have been
the offspring if they were there before.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, okay, so your logic is pretty sound here, you know,
your theology studies and the history of it. Is this
kind of like your answer to Billy Carson and how
you know, he kind of parades the idea that humans
are part nephylum and part you know, whatever creature ape
(34:23):
like man was here before.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Do you mean like Dan at all?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, kind of like that, like modern hopo homo sapiens.
You know. He kind of changes the creation story quite
often to be a mix of a reinterpretation of Biblical thought.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, well, here's it. I don't know this individual, to
be honest, because I haven't read much of it. I
know that Matthew chapter twenty two, verse twenty nine through
thirty Jesus made it very clear that that angels do
not marry and they're not given the way, and that
they don't pro create. Well, uh, that's that's who I
go by if I'm Christian, and if Jesus said they
don't do it, I'm going to say, Okay, they didn't
(35:06):
do it, So I don't. I don't accept the fact
of the argument at all that we are the offspring
of demons and women. I just I theologically soundly refute that.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, what would be your message to the UFO community
and people that kind of are uh spreading the idea
that all non human intelligences that are interacting with this planet,
that maybe you know, sporting technological craft or are coming
(35:50):
into our existence in a physical way and interacting with us,
are calling them demons? Uh, you know, just maybe tell
us a bit of your background in demonology and how
long you've been doing this stuff to sort of give
perspective on that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Well, yes, like I said, I've been studying since I
was nine years old and intensely. That didn't stop, and
then are studying the Roman Catholic Seminary, studied, the graduate,
went on to graduate school, received my minor ors, continue
to study and that's never stop. So I read as
much as I possibly can on demonology and angelology. Thomas
Aquinas even in Tsuma Theologica has a beautiful section on angels.
(36:31):
Look here here's the deal. Demons do not need they
don't need objects to fly around it. They just simply
don't need that. That's preposterous even to think about it.
So they're not going to fly around in drones. They're
just not going to do it. So I think we
have to realize demons are following the unconfined angels. They
are spirit They are spiritual beings. Their purpose is not
(36:52):
to fly around and to scare you. That's not that
flying around in objects. Their purpose is to convince you
one that God does not exist. And two if you
refuse to accept that, and you perhaps offered invitation such
as like for example, let's go out to a location
and you say, come on, I dare you to do something.
I dare you to do something. Please understand you're not provoking,
(37:17):
you are inviting. There's a big difference because you're saying
I dare you to do something that the demons is
literally with an interest saying oh I will, I'll do something.
When your wife or your husband leaves you and you
lose your job and you can't you're suffering from loneliness
and depression, that's when I will accept your invitation. See demons,
the intent is pure evil, pure evil. There's nothing good.
(37:40):
There is nothing good they've already been judged, they've already
been eternally condemned. They want destruction at all costs. I
have never seen, never, ever in my life, have I
ever seen an alien abduct a human being and possessed them.
I have seen demonic entities cause horrible oppression and obsession
(38:05):
and then possession takes place. And I have seen the
sacramentos of the church. I've did the solemn rite, the Rosary.
I have seen the reaction to it. I have seen
the contortion of the body, of the eyes going solid black,
the levitat form of levitation. I've seen those things. But
I have never seen a gray take possession of a
(38:29):
human being. And I think that's important, isn't it, Because
the difference between a demonic entity is they want to possess,
to control, to desecrate. Whereas we see with grays in abduction,
it seems like there has there's some type of scientific
intent behind it. There is no scientific intent behind demons.
They want to destroy, that's what they want to do,
(38:52):
completely destroy, desecrate the body. Whereas people who are abducted,
sometimes they have people who are long term, they get
abducted several times, but they don't see a desecration of
the body as far as the destruction of the body,
and I think we have to look at the intent.
It seems like people who are abducted, especially if they're
abducted multiple times, perhaps obviously for scientific reasons, but with demons,
(39:17):
that that's not the case. They don't want to keep
you alive. They want to destroy you. They want to
destroy the body, and they're not going to there's no
scientific experiment going on. It's total destruction of the intellect and.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Will Okay, look, you've given me a great explanation tonight.
I don't want to keep you forever. I really respect you,
bless you, Thank you, Bishop James Long, and I hope
we can talk about this again sometime in the future. Okay, folks,
(39:51):
we're back. That was my pre recorded conversation with Archbishop
James Long, who has done thirty three exorcisms performed.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
He's a believer that UFOs are you know, possibly non
human physical non human intelligence that are pallated and they
are not demons. That's what he says from a Catholic perspective. Dale,
just before we go to hands, what's your sort of
(40:30):
thought on all of this.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, I actually was relieved because I ran into somebody
in Roswell that it's all demons, and it's like and
I think that the bishop made it clear that there
are demons out there, but there's a distinction between the
demons and the Grays or the Nordics or whatever. And
(40:56):
so I couldn't get any common ground with a guy
in Roswell. It was either all demons or it was
all or nothing with him and stuff. Now, the one
thing I did probably I have question with And just
to give you my credentials, I have a master's degree
as well, and in studying the Bible, I've never found
(41:16):
that demons and fallen angels are the same thing. I'm
not telling you I know where the demons come from.
I've heard the nefhliinit explanation. I thought he put that
to bed pretty well. But I've never seen anything that
shows that demons are fallen angels. I can't tell you
where they came from. But that would be the one
(41:38):
point I probably would disagree with him on. But I
thought he did an excellent job of describing exactly why
demons are one thing and why aliens are another. And
I think this is a common problem within the community
is they get conflated, They get like, Okay, these are
the same thing, when they're really not.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay, But just by the christ Christian perspective, can I
clarify with you, Lucifer was an angel?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yes, okay, he was.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
He was a chief angel I think, supposedly in charge
of music at one point, and so was worship in heaven.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Now was Lucifer cast down from heaven?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's what the Bible says, yes, okay. And if you
go to the beginning story of the serpent in the
Garden of Eden, that would be satan. Now how much
of it that's metaphorical, I don't know, okay, but that's
the trick with the Bible.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
If you go from the Christian perspective, and also, let's
say the Catholic perspective, because that's where Archbishop James Long
is coming from. Lucifer cast down, he's in the garden
of Eden, he was a former angel. He is therefore,
in that perspective, a demon.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Right, I would not say that, I would say fallen angel.
That that would be my understanding of it, that he's
a fallen angel, not a demon, because he doesn't possess
anybody he entices them to take, because God gave them
only one tree in the whole stinking garden that they
were not supposed to eat from. And yet Satan told
(43:19):
him that when they ate from that tree, then they
would they would be like God, they would know good
and evil. And so he enticed Eve. Eve handed it
to her husband.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
They both ate.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
But I don't, and that's just my personal opinion. I
don't see fallen angels and demons as the same thing.
I'm not going with the Nephelim or some of the
other explanations. I'm just being honest enough to say I
don't know where demons came from. I don't think that's
clear in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Okay, so it's it's a bit of a loose interpretation.
But Bishop James Long's interpretation from a Catholic perspective is
that demons are fallen angels. Just heard that. That may
be an actual Catholic doctrine. Okay. And you're difference, You've.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Got to understand their difference between the Protestants and the Catholics.
You know that they split off somewhere. I think around
twelve hundred is when the split began. The first one.
Maybe that was the Greek Orthodox Church. But and then
Martin Luther was the major split where the Protestant Reformation
movement began.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And then you know, originally Catholicism is the ancient Christian religion,
and Christianity came out of Catholicism, right.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It evolved out of it. There are some there are people,
and I'm not one of them, that think that that
was the corrupted Church and that what came out of
it was back to the original Church. In fact, the
movement I'm a part of is, you know, we're New
Testament Christians. We're going We're going back to the Bible.
I don't hold that myself, though, I want to say
(44:59):
that I think Catholics are just as much Christian as
anybody else. I know people try to demonize them. I'm
not one of those people.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Okay, thank you for your perspective on this. I just
you know, we're having the open conversation because one of
the most popular themes discussed on UFO Twitter or just
Twitter in general. I've joined spaces that are like mostly political,
that are non UFO related and had like a lady
(45:31):
scream at me UFOs and aliens or demons and I'm like, well,
what the heck is your basis on that?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So I thought that this space would serve a purpose
to try and bring to the forefront the history of
what a demon is considered and where that terminology came from,
and so on and so forth. Andy, can you pipe
in here? I know that you're also you have a
Christian background. You wanted so for perspective for people that
(46:03):
just so they know the reason why we're discussing this
tonight is because Andy said to me, as my co host,
my friend, when I said, Hey, what do you want
to discuss this week? He's like, Hey, would you ask
maybe past the Dale if he could come up and
talk about you know, you know, how he how UFOs
(46:24):
are related to his religion and how he you know,
can you know, uh settles that in his mind? Can
they both exist? And how they demons and all that stuff.
And I was like, cool, So I asked Dale. Dale's like, look,
one hundred percent, I'll speak to it somewhat, but I'm
uncomfortable just like saying that I know everything about this
(46:46):
because it may offend certain people.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Cool. So I went and found Bishop James Long, who
is a uh you know arch bishop that doess and
has dealt with demons. So there you go, Andy, what
do you think. I'm just gonna turn over the conversation
to you and let you take over for a second.
(47:10):
My dog is crying and I'm gonna let you lead
for a second.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
Okay, thanks course.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
It was mainly because I was I was really curious
when Darcy first told me that, well, this is toward
you past the dale that you were a part of this.
You're the second pastor that I've ever heard of that
accepts this I guess phenomenon alongside the belief in your religion.
(47:41):
Like Darcy said, you know, I do come from a
religious background. I was born Catholic, and I used to
be a an usher and then converted to Christianity and
was ushering there. But once I had my experience with
what I saw, it kind of just throw everything out
of whack. I just I didn't know how to interpret
(48:04):
and combine both until as I was, you know, going
through life trying to understand and researching and you know,
making sense of everything, I began to kind of put
the phenomenon and merge it with certain parts of religion
or the Bible when things started to kind of make
(48:24):
a lot more sense than it did when I was
in church, not believing in this or not, you know,
having that experience. So when he told me about you, Pastor,
I was like, you know, I'm curious to.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I'm curious to pick your brain.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
In that, because as someone who's devoted to God who
also believes in this, do you feel that there is
a connection where the phenomenon may have been a catalyst
for what we believed in or would you believe in? Now?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Are many people leave it?
Speaker 6 (49:00):
Could that actually have actual legitimate ties to what we
now consider these religions that that that we believe it?
You understand what I'm saying, Like, that's that's kind of
what I've gotten along, you know, my my path of researchingness.
So I'm just curious what your thoughts in that aspect
are giving your position at allways.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, the first thing I want to make clear is
I am not religious. I don't I don't think religion
ever helped anyone. I'm spiritual. I have certain things I believe,
but I believe ultimately love God, love people. I mean,
that's what Jesus said, the Great Commandment was and so
that's what my focus is and stuff. But I you know,
the one thing I did when I came into this
(49:45):
community is I purposely set aside my training because I
didn't want to be biased as I looked at the evidence,
I knew if I looked at the evidence through my training,
I knew what I would see. And unfortunately a lot
of Christians come into this community, but not just Christians.
Whatever your bias might be, you come in it and
you interpret what you see through your own experience or
(50:08):
through your own belief system. And I made a conscious
effort to do the best I could to come at
this with a clean slate. Now no one completely does that,
but that was my goal to get to eliminate my
own training so that I could just look at the evidence. Now,
I'll be honest with you, I can see how as
you look at some of the things that people called
(50:29):
gods in all the different religions, I can see how
people can look at that and say, well, maybe that
was just aliens. You know, if we went back into
the first century right now, with the technology we have,
I mean, we could be mistaken for gods. But the
one thing I always hold true to and the one
thing that always makes sense to me is I don't
(50:50):
care whether you're talking about aliens or whatever else. There's
no explanation for the existence of the universe or even
man or even aliens without some kind of creator. And
I'm not going to tell other people to decide and
tell him who that creator is. I think every person
(51:10):
needs to be able to go and study for themselves
and make their own decision. But the one thing I'm
absolutely sure on sure of is that there is someone
somebody started as somebody has to have always existed. You
can call him God, you can call him whatever you want,
but there has to be someone who's always existed. Otherwise
where did everything come from. And I don't believe aliens
(51:33):
are God. I absolutely do not believe that. I believe
they are a creation, just like the bishop said. So
that's just my take on it. It's not a threat
to my faith because I can see them coexist. I mean,
if God created us, why couldn't he create other species.
That's the one thing the guy in Roswell could not
understand is the fact that he couldn't accept the fact
(51:54):
that God could have created other species. He challenged me
on it, and he so show me in a Bible.
I said, well, the Bible says God created the heavens
in the earth, And I said, so the heavens would
include other planets with possible life on them, And so
I don't see any kind of conflict. I realized that
I'm probably in the minority with a lot of pastors.
(52:15):
I don't think they processed this yet. Hopefully the church
will catch up though, isn't.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Isn't there isn't there a part in the Bible I
believe Genesis where they make reference to or there's a
reference to the kings of the planets or something like that.
So what you know, like, how would you interpret them?
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I don't think i've heard that to think about.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Sorry, we're going to go to hands now.
Speaker 6 (52:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, if I could just have your time for just
one minute, I'll just give you my background like you
did so you understand me. I'm a mechanical and electrical engineer,
and my career has been business transformation using information technology
across energy and utility, retail, aerospace, and defense. So I
(53:03):
would ask you, I look at everything that I know
today as that gentleman just said. So, first of all,
angels is really like angles and over time. Now we've
got everything digitized, we have a three sixty view of
information that we didn't have before to now prove the
answer that already exists. And I would ask you to
(53:27):
think about what is alpha to omega? That is humans
using mass and light to make energy, and we do
it via owns law, which is using amps right and
resistance to make voltage that we power appliances with. So
(53:48):
that's your alpha to omega.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Now nobody would.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Know that back in zero AD or thirty AD. We
had to learn it, so it's been a learning curve it.
Now if you take four score and twenty and look
at a musical stanza, it's a top e and a
low e. So that's the range we're in.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, Now, in.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
The Bible it said let there be light, but before
that was sound. Now I have in my ears and
I don't lie a sonar and I get signal steps
in my ears. Now if you think about frequency waves,
because we came from an energy that became a vibration
(54:37):
ev and then gave us energy. Now when you overheat, wait.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Can I just tell you are for we got But can.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
I just finish this one thing? I'm always finished.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, well, I got to go to commercial I got
to go to commercial break. Can I say with the
radio you said a lot and you get no. Oh
my lord, I might even consider you being demonic right now.
I know I'm just choking. All right, So we're gonna
go to a commercial break. I am live on KGRA radio.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Vert.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You got your your words in there for the audience
on KGr. But just remember, folks, you can continue on
with the conversation live on UFO Twitter. We have a
space every week on Wednesdays. Come join take part in
the after show. Uh and verb. We'll pick up. We'll
(55:33):
continue this conversation in just a moment after I play
the outro.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Thank you two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
I can sense them in my so I guess I'm
just very tuned.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
In bulkan head. Honchow walks out your reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in
the public. So error error, all right, we're back.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Ver.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I guess bailed. That was Uh.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
I feel bad.
Speaker 6 (56:35):
But unfortunately I had to because I know we had
to cut that for the show. I had to kind
of knock her off because you wouldn't stop you talking.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
All right, Well, maybe she can join in another time.
But yeah, unfortunately, guys, when it is going live to
kg r A, it's not you know, I'm an amateur host.
Obviously I'm better at other things. But this is the
first fifty five minutes of the show. We really kind
(57:07):
of people can't go crazy with the explanations of things,
but we can do it now. Who's up next? T
o Star Citizen? What's going on?
Speaker 6 (57:22):
I think Citizen had his handle first.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Okay, yeah, Citizen, well was first.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Go for it. Who are we talking to here, Citizen?
Affirm diplomat? Yeah, how you doing fighting?
Speaker 5 (57:44):
Oh? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I will say, just to cut you off real quick,
you know, I stopped the recording. We had a conversation afterwards,
and Bishop James Long is going to come on in
two weeks and do a whole hour Q and A
with yeah live with all you guys here, right, so
(58:09):
you'll be able to ask him whatever you want, keep
that list of questions and fire away. In two weeks.
He'll probably tell you all about the exorcisms he's performed
and all kinds of stuff. So I didn't get into
the minutia, but I just wanted to discuss the difference
between aliens, demons, UFOs demons, you know, all that jazz,
(58:33):
because it gets very blurry when you go into these
spaces and discuss these themes, and many of these people
do not even know the root of demonology or demons,
and it comes from Catholicism, right, So there you go.
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