November 20, 2024 • 56 mins
This week we are discussing what happened at the two most recent Congressional Hearings held in Washington DC related to UAP phenomenon. One was held on November 13th and featured testimony from witnessed Lue Elizondo, Tim Gallaudet, Mike Gold and Michael Shellenberger. The second hearing was held on November 19th and featured the new director of AARO Dr. Jon T. Kosloski.
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
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About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
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About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
/ instagram: darcyweirfilms
/twitter and youtube: @occultjourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
/ instagram and twitter: @ny_uap_discussion
/ youtube: @ufocompilation
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work. She's picking up a massive object in
this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Walk in head, Honcho, walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in public.
So welcome back to last night on UFO Twitter. Wow,
(00:54):
I finally have my energy back. Since last week. We
friend of mine, Jason Gilmet, who also runs UAP Studies podcasts,
we traveled from Canada to the November thirteenth Congressional hearings
(01:16):
and we met with some really interesting people. We heard
some interesting testimony that has now been recorded to Congressional record,
and we have, you know, had not just one hearings
at this point, we've had two. Yesterday there was the
(01:40):
ARROW All Domain Anonymous Resolution Organization. What does it again?
ARROW stand for? But there congressional hearing led by Senator
Senator Gillibrand happened and the only person to testify there
(02:03):
was doctor John T. Cousloski, who's the new director of ARROW.
So it was kind of like an arrow psyop. I
guess we kind of expected arrow to dunk on any
(02:24):
credible UAP footage or UFO existence or non human intelligence
theories that are out there. It wasn't surprising it happened.
Everybody was everybody that's part of the UFO community that's
not like a demon hunter. We expected that, right. So
(02:49):
here we are. I'm going to bring in the Twitter spaces,
the twits, the tweets, the Twitter people. Hello, everybody. I'd
like to start up the space by hearing from Pastor Dale,
my friend from Observer of Anomalous Objects, who usually gives
(03:11):
us some kind of positive message to start the space
off on. Go for it, Dale, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Darcy, and to everyone on X and everyone watching the
radio program last night on UFO Twitter, I just want
to welcome you and tell you how much I know Darcy,
and I appreciate you being here. I like to have
a sane a catchphrase to help people remember what I'm saying,
(03:39):
and so I try to come up with one every week,
and this week it's going to be the Sun will
rise again. The Sun will rise again. You know, it's
important to remember that when things are going sideways in
your life, It's important to remember that the sun will
rise again. Last Friday, I did a podcast with Matt
(04:01):
and we were covering the very topic that we're covering here.
In fact, I'm going to have another podcast with him
tomorrow to cover the same thing. The same night, it
was Friday night, I was sharing that podcast on my
ex account through DMS to friends of mine when all
of a sudden, I got locked out of my account,
(04:21):
and it really freaked me out. And the thing that
freaked me out is the fact that not only did
they lock me out, but the same night, a couple
of Matt's accounts were locked and so it was just
really weird. Here I am sharing the podcast, I get
locked out, Matt gets locked out, and I think you'd
(04:41):
have to call that a little suspicious. One of the
reasons that it alarmed me so much was because a
friend of mine named Gary got locked out like that,
very similar circumstances, and he never never got his account back,
And so I was freaking out and I was using
my second account. It's a backup account I have. I
(05:03):
literally started that account before the one my primary one
I have now, and I had a wopping five followers
on it, and so in desperation I started to get
word out to let people know what had happened to me. Now,
let me say this, this was a big deal to me.
I had almost four thousand followers and it's taking me
about four years to build that following. And one of
(05:27):
the reasons it was very important, not just losing the following,
but that would have crippled my podcasts because right now
the only way I have of advertising my podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is on x to be able to promote it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It wasn't life or death, but it was important to me.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Fortunately, Saturday night, right before I went to bed, they
went ahead and unlocked it. They didn't tell me why.
Some of the messages I got said suspicious activity, but anyway,
that's all I got. It's just they gave it back
to me. You know, we've all had days like mine,
days where it just kind of feels like nothing's going right.
(06:08):
But remember that the sun will rise again. I know
a lot of you are probably upset over yesterday's hearing.
It seems like nothing really change. In fact, I I
think it was just nothing more than damage control. When
Kazlowsky got out there, and he said there is no
evidence of extraterrestrial life. I think that pretty well set
(06:31):
the tone for the rest of the hearing. You know,
it might as well have been Kirkpatrick come out, because
that was a company line. And if you know, this
is my opinion, if that's the company line, then Koslawski
is like it or not. He's a company man. Now.
To be honest with you, I don't feel like it
was a setback because it was exactly what I expected.
(06:54):
I said, I was cautiously pessimistic. I said that before.
So you go back and find my post and say,
that's exactly what I was expecting. Now, if you are
still upset and you feel like it was a setback,
just remember that the sun will rise again. The point
I want to make is things are never as bad
(07:16):
as they appear. You know, there's an old saying making
a mountain out of a molehill. That's when you have
something that's kind of small and you kind of start
thinking on it and thinking on it, and pretty soon
it's not small anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's big.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It's making a mountain out of a molehill. And so
let me just encourage you. Don't make mountains out of
Molehills and always remember the sun will rise again.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's true. Dale, Thank you very much. That was inspirational
and based. Yeah, I panic probably once or twice a day,
and every time I panic, you know, it probably is
a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Of a.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Impending doom type of panic in my mind. But it's
things like you just said that remind us it's not
the end of the world. Just breathe, keep your head on.
You're gonna get through it. There's always some light at
the end of the tunnel if you just if you're
going towards the light, there will be some. So let's
(08:24):
talk about the hearings. Let's first, I've got a bunch
of speakers up here. Please mute if you're not like
directly gonna talk straight away. I wanted to hear from
Jace UAP Studies podcast. Give him a follow He's got
a good following on YouTube. Fellow Canadian who's been researching
(08:45):
UFOs and UAPs for a long time. One of the
major things he always complains to me, I should have
never What is it. He's always like, I was the
number one UAP related podcast. I would I was the
only one two years ago or something, and then you know,
you go on YouTube and stuff, and there's probably like
(09:07):
fifteen different channels called UAP something, but he was the original.
So hey, Jase, how's it going, man?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now it's going pretty good, Darcy, longtime listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, dude, listen to my voice and thanks for calling in.
I wanted to sort of recap some of the things
from the hearings that we were at, because you know,
why not, let's just let's just kick a dead dog
on the ground here, right, So we had here's some highlights.
Michael Schellenberger, who's a journalist, a veteran journalist in the
(09:46):
United States. He came forward and he presented to the
congressional hearing and this was put on congressional record officially
that there is an immaculate constellation, unacknowledged special access program
concerning data collection of UAPs. Now, this he alluded to,
(10:08):
is satellites and ground based listening systems that probably are
put in place for defense and intelligence purposes, but they
tend to be handy UAP or UFO collection apparatus. So
that was pretty interesting. He said, the IC contains hundreds,
(10:30):
if not thousands, of high resolution images of UFOs that
have yet to be released. He is the author of
this report. He says that there is a person that
leaked it to him, but he's not willing to divulge
that information unless they're in a skiff. Skips were the
(10:55):
most annoying thing for the UAP or UFO public. Sorry guys,
you know, classified information is classified information. People don't want
to go to jail or risk their sources going to jail, YadA, YadA.
He said that UAP craft were discs, triangles, some appeared
(11:19):
to be possibly organic, and some were orbs. Orbs and
spears we've heard of time and time again. Who else
did we hear from. We heard from Tim Galladett, a
friend of mine who have met in person and interviewed
for one of my docs. He talked about the Go
Fast twenty fifteen incident, in which he saw the video
(11:43):
before it was declassified and released to the public post
twenty seventeen, and he said that he went into interview
at Arrow and his interview to take this position that
doctor Koslowski eventually got. He said, instead of the interview
(12:05):
being about the job, it was a sixty minute or
so interview basically banging like them trying to brainwash him
that all UAP are just balloons, birds, prosaic objects, and
possibly black projects. I'm okay with the black projects part,
(12:27):
but the rest is like kind of dumb. We know
that things like the phoenix lights are not balloons.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
So you sure it's not swamp gas.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, dude, don't forget about swamp gas. Of course, Jail
and Heine's favorite. We also have Louise Ela Zondo, who
claimed that there was a multi decade long secrecy on UAF,
UAP or UFO crash retrievals. There are multiple programs that
(13:04):
we're going on. He said that we have been re
engineering or you know, reverse engineering this technology, and we
possibly have some craft that can do some of the
capabilities that these crash craft are capable of. He said
(13:26):
the Pentagon is hiding all this info from Congress, and
he confirms that the Pentagon blocked the transfer of UAP
material from Lockheed to Biglow Aerospace. He said that UFOs
are regularly intruding our airspace, buzzing our military locations or airspace,
(13:54):
and interfering with nuclear assets. What else did you say.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Injuries to pilots and injuries to military personnel.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that one on r yep, yep, true. Drue Aaron Kessel,
you're here and there. He's the cat on Twitter. So
for folks that are listening from KGr go give give
him a follow. He's a pretty brilliant guy when it
comes to the UFO and UAP issues. And then, last
(14:27):
but not least, although I'm not quite sure where he
fits in all this, Michael Gold he testified and he
said that NASA is the paradigm of UFO transparency. That
was kind of shocking considering we know that this has
(14:47):
been going on for decades and NASA has been front
and foremost to the public always debunking cases, especially objects
that were picked up by their space cameras in deep space.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They cut their feet. They cut their feet like yeah
once once every month.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, they cut their feed every time something normally shows up.
It's uh, they either of you know, up useKate the
video adds snow you know, uh, cut the feed, change
the camera direction. They know what's up, and there's some
weird stuff going on up there in space, but they
(15:27):
tend to not be disclosing anything. And he did say
that there was you know, there is a reporting mechanism
and there is a collection system within NASA for collecting
UAP or UFO data and material and objects that have
(15:51):
been sighted or whatever. He said that that would be
the perfect you know, NASA program or a group to
take part in really showcasing this.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think it was a really cool presentation. It was
a really interesting time in history. Not everybody is completely
enamored by it. People were upset about skips being mentioned
and YadA, YadA, YadA, but you know what, it was
(16:32):
still pretty interesting to me, and I don't agree. I
think it was an amazing time in history. Got to
speak with some cool people there. Let's talk about that hearing.
Anybody want to go for it, Aaron Steve, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I mean it was a lot more than we've gotten
since the nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty eight hearing,
Like the nineteen sixty six was private, nineteen sixty eight
was public. But I mean like it was a lot
more than we've got over the years. So I mean,
don't complain, right, That's the way I see it. And
I mean, on the record, they literally just said that
(17:13):
these objects have been harming humans, and I mean that's
a huge thing because that has not been acknowledged, and
a lot of people are unaware. But back in twenty
twenty two, before David Grush, the Sun had sued a
TIP and the DIA back in twenty seventeen after the
(17:37):
New York Times article came out, and they received their
four request in twenty twenty two, and they released fifteen
thousand documents that showed I'm sorry, but one thousand, five hundred.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Documents, not fifteen fifteen yet.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Yeah, fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred, not fifteen thousand, but fifteen
hundred documents. And in those documents it showed that there
were anomalous harmed humans biological and physical.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So yeah, there's a recorded history of this, and the
fact that that's been mentioned in a congressional hearing environment
it means we can go forward from here to more
inquiry on things like that. So I think that's what
people are missing here, that we've opened the door on
(18:26):
many different really interesting concepts that have existed for decades
in this community in this sort of like hidden truth
from the public. But now that it's been read into
congressional record, Senators, congressmen, congress women, they can go after
this information. They can request request skiffs for this type
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of information to be read. It, you know, into that
environment with other potential whistleblowers and experience, and like, what
if we have another congressional hearing where we actually hear
from people that were injured, were their help was affected.
I think that's coming.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Well, it's important. I think so too. But I want
to highlight that there's been like five years since twenty eighteen,
maybe six years now of private hearings going on with
the Gang of Eight and some members of Congress. So
there's been private hearings happening while the public hearings are happening.
The public hearings have only been happening for three years.
(19:34):
The private hearings have been happening for at least five
or six. So there's a lot more that's been happening
behind the scenes. And if you look at Jay Stratton's
account on Twitter slatch x, you'll see the post that
he had there with Louel Zondo and kind of a
joint statement where they were saying that there was things
(19:54):
happening behind the scenes. And then you also have Chris Mellen,
who wrote for the Debrief back in twenty twenty two,
just basically saying that he's aware of whistleblowers that are
about to go public, and they were basically putting forth
the legislation to protect them within Congress in December and
(20:17):
then it passed, and then after it passed, it took
a few months, but then David Grush came forward within
I think it was June or July.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah, But those guys are still getting like a shitload
of pushback and getting threats, and so it's not really
it's not motivating for people to come out and come forward.
And you know, Matt Ford just releases a thing that
got put into day hearing today where he basically was
(20:48):
saying that the guy the gatekeeper basically for Arrow, which
is like the official place for whistleblowers to be able
to like speak their testimony, the main gatekeeper guy that
basically would feed stuff to the CIA is the one
on the advisory board that was placed there by John Kirkpatrick.
(21:12):
So right now we still don't have a safe mechanism
in place for whistleblowers. So I think we are making progress.
I never had doubts that things were happening behind the scenes.
I think lots of has happened behind the scenes, and
in public since twenty seventeen. A lot of people don't
have a reference point for this because they were, you know,
(21:33):
fairly new to the topic and you know, only heard
about it because it's Tom Dawong or whatever. But a
lot has been moving. But the problem is is like
this this stuff is these guys are like legacy guys
that know how to play the game right, And so
we need public pressure and we need more to come
out publicly so that we can keep putting pressure on
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these gatekeeper guys in Congress and let them know what
to look for and who to go to. So I
think we're making a lot of progress. It's just and
we're not going to get more whistleblowers until we create
a safe means of doing so.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
No, there's so.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
There's there's avenues. There's avenues that are available right now,
like the Soul Foundation. But Arrow, like you can google
this and you can look this up sand Corp Arrow contract.
Sand Corp is a whistle blower an anti whistleblower organization
that literally goes after whistleblowers, and Arrow paid sand Corp
for services. Like the contract is there, it's public, you
(22:41):
can look it up on gov spending and I have
it available if anybody can't find it, but post.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Arrow, post it in the bubble, you know, the pill
or whatever, so that people that are in the space
can follow that.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Okay, yeah, I'll definitely do that. But yeah, if anybody
has information, go to Soul Foundation, go to Congress, go
to News Nation. Those are your safe routes. A void
Arrow at all costs. ARROW is overseen by SRG, SAPOC
and ERROW exect Er. Exec Board is basically the who's
(23:20):
who of the gatekeepers and like, it's absolutely ridiculous that
Congress created this organization. And the reason why this organization
was created has to do with the swarmings that happened
in twenty nineteen. In July, it was the Omaha incident
(23:43):
and then there's another one. Yeah, yeah, so those reports
were actually leaked. It was the UAP Task for Forces
reports that were leaked by the Navy accidentally, right, They
accidentally uploaded the files online and the Sun reported on
it was the only outlet that reported on these files
when they got leaked. And the slides for the UAP
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Task Force were actually posted online and then deleted shortly after.
So that's the reason why ERRA was formed. In the
first place, right, because after those that incident or after
those incidents, and then basically Congress in twenty twenty two
was grilling Ronald Moultrie and Scott Bray, right, and they
(24:33):
were grilling them on this incident, and they were saying
that they were drones. And then you had one hundred
plus one hundred plus different naval officials and also Jay
Stratton and Travis what's his name, Travis Taylor, Yeah, Travis
Taylor come out and say that their UFO bosses are
sorry that their their bosses in the Pentagon lied to
(24:56):
them and lied to Congress saying that those were drones
when they said that they were anomalous and that they
were triangles and orbs and everything else. So that's the
whole kind of situation of what's been going on, and
I think a lot of people aren't aware of kind
of all the facts of how we got here to speak.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
How pathetic was that Arrow led congressional hearing yesterday November
the nineteenth. I mean, look, people are talking about how
it was only two senators that were there, Jillibrand was
leading it, and then you had just one person giving testimony,
(25:45):
And that's the new director of Arrow, John Doctor John T. Kozlowski,
and that guy had this like super nervous look. He
had Susan go over his right shoulder, looking like, I
(26:05):
don't know, some kind of possessed troll lady. And everybody
knows she's kind of pulling the strings behind the scenes
on the secrecy of this thing. With regards to Arrow,
they debunked go Fast said it was a balloon. They
debunked Agwidella, the twenty thirteen Agwadea footage, which let's just
(26:29):
go back to that footage for a second and maybe
we can talk to NYUAP discussion about this. My friend
Andy Marciel, he actually traveled with me to Puerto Rico.
We met the whistleblower or the leaker who released the
Agwadella twenty thirteen footage when he was working for CBP, Customs,
(26:52):
Border and Patrol, and all the information that we got
from him proved to us. You know, it's going to
be hard to prove to everybody out there, but it
proved to us without a shadow of a doubt, that
was not a balloon. That object came from the ocean,
(27:12):
It flew over the Raphael Hernandez International airport on the
west coast of Puerto Rico. It did a circle around,
It went over a parking garage, over a neighborhood, over
the beach, and back into the ocean. And let's add
to that, just before it went completely like invisible in
(27:34):
the ocean, it duplicated into two very strange stuff. We
had Dave Folch talking about that in one of our
last spaces. He is a Fleer camera technician. He works
for a company that repairs Westcam systems, which are the
same guys that would have built that like million dollar
(27:57):
system on the CVP plane that capture that object. And
when you see a bird with that type of system,
it's probably an MX fifteen, we don't know, but when
you see an MX fifteen through that lens in that
flear technology, you see the complete shape of that bird.
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When you see a balloon, a balloon flutters, it jostles,
it doesn't make a like direct straight trajectory flying down up,
and then you know, splitting into two. And yeah, everything
about that footage seemed to point to being something anomaloist.
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The other kicker to that was that no one on
the ground, the pilot and no one inside the plane
could see that object with their naked eye. This is
also a feature of UAPs or UFOs. They like to
stay cloaked, so to speak. And it was picked up
on in the Flear footage, and it was the Flear
(29:03):
camera operator that followed this. Anything else I'm missing here? Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Andy, Well, let's not forget the fact that the FedEx
plane was grounded until the object cleared. Okay, So I'm
pretty sure you know, if it was just a regular balloon,
they wouldn't, you know, well some stunt like that, I mean.
And also I don't even want to entertain the fact
(29:28):
that it was a fucking balloon. I mean, it's clear
as it's clear as day. There's absolutely no possible. First
of all, it's been debunked a million times. It was
called the balloon many times already. It was called a
freaking pelican, for God's sake, And it's just it's just
ridiculous because this is how I look at it. These
are people that are operating these uh you know, these devices,
(29:50):
these these cameras. We're entrusting them with this technology. We're
in trusting them with these million dollar you know, devices
or craft. And if they're telling you they're seeing something
that they don't understand you basically, And I always said
it from the from from when I got the videos
that you know, we're released to me two years back.
(30:12):
Then there's a bigger problem because we're not training our
people properly where they can't distinguish that they can't distinguish,
you know, a balloon from something else. Like it's just
that's that's a bigger to me, that's a bigger problem.
We have a bigger uh situation on our hands when
that can't be distinguished from our pilots that are being
(30:32):
trained to operate these these craft and use this technology.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
So uh, I think right off the bat, like within
the first two minutes of the hearing, that Kulosky guy,
uh he he was like, I think that arrow.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
You know, you know, we're sticking to the same scientific
method we were using before, and you know, everything's just fine.
It was just the old old guy that people didn't like.
But now everything's the same. But you know, new face.
Everything's fine, you know, but it's clear that they're not
approaching some of these anomalous incidents with a truthful lens.
(31:16):
You know, they're they're still obfus skating so I think
the problem like I almost can't trust, like show me
the data, right, It's like what Gary Nolan says, you
can't do the scientific method without showing the science. And
I just wanted to make it away to Darcy because
(31:36):
I know he sometimes can't see hands. But UAP Studies
podcast has had their hand up for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, go for it. And by the way,
for the kg r A listeners that you know deep
cadence voice that was just speaking. That's Awesap Rocky, good friend.
Go follow him on Twitter too. He's like a diamond
in the rough. So go for it. Sorry about that.
Somebody call the hands for me because I can't see
it from Mike Glitchy desktop Twitter.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I was gonna start after this.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I just thought you were mad at me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Uh so, no, super quiet, not at all.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Nothing, No, I know, but you brought some good points,
not only about what took place in Congress, but you know,
to be honest and completely put all my cards on
the table. I think we need to clean house ourselves
within our own community because I know the whistleblower situation
(32:35):
is messy, but we are all fighting each other at
the same time. Each one of us trying to discredit
the other person's work. There's no unity. And we want
unity amongst the whistleblowers, but we ourselves can't even unite
under this same banner. And what's ridiculous is that it
almost formed into a religion where we're adhering to these
(32:58):
absolutes or these religious doctrines of old, you know, from
the people before us, the sort of old dinosaurs that
came before us, that laid the ground and foundation. But
we need to clean up house. And Darcy and I
both agree. We got Charlatan's amongst our myths, and people
who make tons of money off of this and yet
(33:21):
provided nothing, or at least have not provided anything in
over a decade.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
They're just fattening those pockets, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
With thousand percent, yeah, yeah, And this is the problem
that we're facing, something that I mentioned on the podcast
all the time, and it's a stupid slogan, but I'm
spreading it as much as possible.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Teamwork to make the dream work. If we're not united,
we're not going to get anywhere. If we're dealing with
a civilization just one, it would require all of us,
all of our efforts together to uncover what a civilization
is all about. We're dealing with multiple you guys all
know this. It's not one species. We're dealing with multiple visitors.
(34:04):
And for us to fight even amongst ourselves, I think
it's foolish. And I think we need unity more than
ever and teamwork, and I think we see that enough
amongst let's call them the elites or the self appointed
elites in our class, that there's only ever four people
that get interviewed on any any news nations or CNN
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or whatever. It's always just four names, as if there's
just four people in the world. They all happen to
live in America, one in Australia. That are the experts.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And I think that's ridiculous. Hopefully that'll change it pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah. Actually, some exciting news for some of the listeners
and followers here, my buddy Andy Marciel from NYUAP discussion.
He's actually going to be featured on a News Nation
special coming up. It's going to be dedicated to the
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stuff that he reviewed to the world not too long ago.
And so this is the other thing people are missing.
Aero comes out yesterday. They used that mockery of a
Congressional hearing to debunk the Agwadella footage. Okay, but that
footage came from CBP, which is a you know, part
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of the Department of Homeland Security umbrella and DHS and
CVP released they released their UAP reports at the end
of twenty twenty three, in August actually of twenty twenty three.
And in those papers that they released, you can go
(35:41):
look them up. DHS, CBP, UAP published papers. They said
that the Agwadella footage, the A ten warthog, the La bruej,
the you know, the what's the other one, the rubber duck,
that was authentic UAP footage because they have credible observers
(36:05):
that work for their establishment, that go out on flights,
that go out on boats every day, go out on
trucks that have these fleer camera systems mounted to them.
They're looking for suspicious activity. They're looking for cartels, they're
looking for you know, human traffickers and illegals and all
(36:28):
kinds of stuff. You know, that is they don't know Bueno.
They don't want that coming across the border and so
on and so forth. We're coming through the ocean onto
their land. And when they observe these things. They put
those videos into this what the fuck basket because they
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could not understand what that was. It didn't fit the
paradigm of a conventional craft. It wasn't emitting a heat
signature that would you know, fit something prosaic like a
bird or a balloon. So what the hell is that?
And then you got Arro coming in and saying, no,
(37:11):
it's just a balloon. It's like, did you not look
at the studies that were released by CBP and DHS.
Did you not look at Seu's work? The Scientific Coalition
for UAP Studies. I know that's civilian, but it's full
of scientists. And Robert Powell did a very good analysis
(37:32):
of the Aguadilla footage. I implore people to go read that.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Well, they only have Title ten. They only have Title
ten investigative ability, right, they can't go outside of basically
their doors, like they have very limited investigation capability. So
that's their excuse. But it's all set up that way,
and then you have it it's crazy because you have
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Title ten, you have errow under Title ten, and then
you have at the same time you have them being
overseen by SRG, SAPAC and aero exech. So there's like
a two way failure, like it's crazy. So they can
they can go and say, oh, yeah, we don't know
about these programs, but you don't have access to these
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programs even find them.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Bale had his hand up, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I keep seeing them pop up requesting to speak,
so yeah, I go for a Dale, thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm just having trouble for some reason, I can't see
who's speaking, and when it shows me speaking, it shows everybody.
So a little technical issues. I just I found some
things interesting that I'm sure many of you noticed, But
the one that kind of stuck out to me was
when Senator Jillibrand asked Kulaski how he was going to
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help people who hadn't trusted Arrow in the past to
be able to trust him. And I don't know if
you guys caught this or not. The only answer he
has is, well, this is why it was created. And
I just like, what in the world what kind of
answer was that? And you know the other thing that
I noticed is in both of the House hearings, the
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witnesses had to, you know, raise their hands and swear
an oath, and in the three Senate hearings. I didn't
see that happen for any of them, and so to me,
that's very very telling.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, what did the really like? There were so many
moments like that. They were like awkward. They didn't seem
like a normal conversation or inquiry.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
At the previous congressional hearing on November thirteenth, they asked
a question, are is there a reverse engineering program?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
There is, you know question answer. It seemed like Jillibrand
was like leading this guy the whole time. It was
like she would spend four minutes asking the question to
make sure that he answered exactly the way that she
wanted him to answer. And it's like, dude, take the
training wheels off. This is a big boy. He's supposed
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to be the director of Arrow now, right, Like, you
don't have to lead the guy so much. And they
brought up that there was the Langley Air Force based
swarm right the incursions over the air space recently. The
way that they glossed over that it was just so weird. Great, Yeah,
(40:43):
they mentioned it, and then when she mentioned that, he
was like, yeah, well, it's incursions and events like that
where we're going to make sure that drones and birds
and you know other prosaic objects are not responsible. And
it's like, Okay, did you just allude to that being
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drones or balloons or birds or other prosaic things. How
is that possible for days on end that could happen?
And if they are drones that are not our own
what like, it just made no sense.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Then they also left out the the Indiana swarming that
happened a few weeks after the Langley incursion.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
The other thing that she did was she called them
UAPs and then Yellow Bran turned right around and called
him adversarial tech. And it's like, make up your mind
because you're basically saying they're drones even though you're calling
them UAPs.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, it was. It was a total cluster f you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
But they were calling them UAVs and Darcy, I just
want to point out you and what you mentioned at
the beginning and aerial systems.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Yeah, sorry if I might be glitching if I can't
hear anybody, but yeah, I think we should keep an
open mind that perhaps they know who who's behind some
of these things, and maybe some of these advanced tech
are an adversarial technology, and they just don't want us
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to know that they've leapfrogged us in that way. You know,
that is also a possibility for some of it. I
don't think it explains everything, but I think when they
when they are talking in like very broad strokes, it's
very possible that some of it is something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It's very true it has to be something like that.
But let's go to Andy. We kind of cut him off,
and then we'll go back to you.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Aaron, No, it's cool. I was just going to say
that two things. You were right what you said about
this dude. The look on him was there was something off.
I got that. The entire time he was talking was
like almost like he was nervous or I don't know,
it just seemed like there was something really going on
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there where it gave off a vibe of like, I
don't know, it's like something was something was just not
right with the way he presented himself, in the way
he was speaking and in regards to what also just said, Yeah,
I just I just can't say that. You just can't
say that. I always laugh at the whole adversarial thing
(43:35):
or you know, Russia or China. Unfortunately, that's just you
can't use that as an argument with this because it's
just I mean, for God's sakes, it's it's it's been
through us all through history, you know. I mean, there's
been accounts written in all different cultures about these things.
So it's like, I just find it funny that that
keeps being brought up in this aspect, because how can
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you use that.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
I'm not saying it explains everything, that's the thing. I'm
saying that, like, if we have reverse engineering programs and
others have reverse engineering programs, it's possible that one of
these countries has cracked it first.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, no, I agree there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, And they did mention that there. I think in
last week's congressional hearing they said that there was an
adversarial reverse engineering program, like there was an overseas China
multiple Yeah, China.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
China has omitted it, and that's been out there for
years now.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
But I was going to say, I was gonna just
real quickly say that it's almost like they pulled the
national security card and said, look, you know this is
national security issue. We're going to kill this now because
that's all they can do. That's all they have to do, right,
They all I have to do is just tell the
senators and and just tell them and say it's this
(44:59):
is a national sk any issue, and this is how
we're going to script this, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Like yeah, I mean that is the Trump card like
nine to eleven event. But you know, somehow it happened
related to UAPs, we would everything would be locked down.
I don't even think this would be a it wouldn't
be a freedom of speech issue anymore. It would be
(45:26):
a national security issue. But let's hear what Steven. You're here,
McKay McKee.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, Mackie, Mackie.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Man?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I met you at the Mario Napfall space the other week,
and you know, you have some interesting things to say
about this.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
Well, first of all, I appreciate that. I think that
a lot of what I have to say is less
interesting than anybody else up here. But I was I
was thinking just now about the national security taking that
away from what the senators are trying to look for,
and I'd say, good luck with that. If that's what
the Intelligence and Navy is wanting to do. At Air
Force as well. The whole reason that we're hearing about
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this is because there's an intelligence program that has gotten
away from Congressional oversight. I don't really think that the
Congressional Oversight Board is as interested in getting this information
to the public as much as they're interested in getting
control of it. So I think that if there's some
compromise between you know, this program or these these classified
(46:32):
programs saying Okay, well we'll come to heal it, we'll
give you some oversight, and you guys can be in
the know, but let's keep it away from the public,
I think that a lot of elected officials would be
gained for that. So that's one of my concerns that
I have. But I also think that there's been a
lot of concern that this is going to be an
(46:53):
issue that you know, it looks like it's coming to
light now, but it won't come to light later. I
think as long as we're talking about on X and
X is a free speech platform, I don't think that
this is going to go away. The Internet is such
a powerful tool to combat some crazy secrecy like the
UAP phenomenon. I just I don't understand how any intelligence
(47:18):
organization in the world could combat you know, all these
incredible interested folks and all the listeners. So those are
kind of my general thoughts on where the direction of
the conversation is going is. I don't think that we
should trust the congressional authorities that are, you know, trying
(47:39):
to say that they're representing us in this moment. I
don't really believe them. But also I think that the
people have a lot more power than really anybody in
the government thinks, or that we ourselves think at this time.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well, I'll say this, like the congressional hearing that happened
last week on Wednesday, November thirteenth, that honestly gave me
hope that you know, the elected representatives were actually going
to try and you know, quarterback this issue and bring
it to the front and make sure that we all
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understand it a bit better, and maybe that there would
be further legislation, like a possible uap DA past that
has meaningful literature, meaningful legislation there that could allow them
(48:33):
to actually make meaningful inquiries into what's going on with
this subject from the intelligence community and from the military
community like the DoD. But yesterday's hearing did not give
me a hope like that. I would not trust at all.
(48:55):
I mean that one reminds the joke. It reminds me
that they want you to They want the average citizen
to be very ill informed and very stupid. And you know,
I feel like this community has a lot of bright
(49:16):
people that are debunking bs but then making serious inquiry
into credible events and interesting things that have happened regarding
the UAP or UFO history that's gone on for decades now.
So whatever happened yesterday, that was just like, it was gross.
(49:36):
It was not cool my opinion. But look, I ran
into I hung out with Oswaldo, who is here tonight
the Disclosure Revolution with Oswaldo Franco, nicest guy. I think
you guys should follow his Twitter account. He's doing some
(49:57):
pretty interesting stuff and I want to know if I
can work with him somehow on some of the things
that he's been researching. But yeah, what what else could
we discuss regarding yesterday? I mean, it was no I.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Mean, I mean, if they were serious, they would start
inquiring on the nineteen sixty six hearing and everything that
happened there and the briefing with the Robertson panel, which
is still not public. Fred Fred Durant's notes let's see
(50:40):
what else. The nineteen eighty six incident with the japan Airlines,
that CIA briefed inside of the CIA and inside the Pentagon,
which led to the nineteen eighty seven UFO Working Group
being formed and hosted out of BDM in or not
(51:02):
within a skiff. So I mean, if they were serious,
they would start actually inquiring into some of these past
briefings that are still not public. If they were serious,
they would, you know, they would bring up the fact
that in the nineteen nineties, Senator Jeff Bingman or Bingamn sorry,
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was lied to by the Air Force and told that
Project Moondust didn't exist. And then in nineteen the late
nineteen nineties early two thousands, Project Moondust was declassified and
we had all these documents come out basically proving that
they were doing recoveries of flying saucers. So like, it's
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out there, the evidence is out there, the connection there
to Betel Memorial and EJ Center, it's out there. And
Anthony Brigalia has done a lot of really good work
on digging into the past history of this and Betel's involvement,
as well as naming the doctors that were involved. So
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I mean there's so much evidence out there, they can't
hide this away forever.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, So you and I we met on Mario Knawfall's
space last week, Aaron and we started talking really, you know,
we became fast friends, talking about the UEP or UFO history.
And you brought up just now the UFO Working Group. Now,
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the first time I read or heard about that was
from Howard Blum's book out There. And this is like
a very well researched journalist who's written multiple books about
all kinds of different things. He's not a UFO author.
That was his very own that was his one and
(53:02):
only UFO related book, and he talked about in that
the UFO Working Group. This is what you would call
a legacy program. This is like not a term that
a lot of people hear about. They hear about maybe
MJ twelve right or Zodiac those are two legacy possible groups, right,
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But the UFO Working Group is a really interesting one
that was like circa nineteen eighties, and Howard Blum was
speaking to people that were part of that, that were
literally like generals that were read into that group.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
And yeah, Regula, yeah, Major General Albert stubblebeing was one
of his sources. I was told directly by stubblebeing himself, yeah,
that he was one of the sources, and highlighted that
there was a point within the book where there was
an argument taking place between stubble Bean and US Air
(54:05):
Force General James for Foughts. And it's funny how they
got this by Dopster, but they got it by Dopster
because it was just an argument. And it literally confessed
within the book that stubble Bean and James for Thoughts
created the or expanded I should say, expanded the Moondust
(54:25):
or what Blum called within the book the d I
a CIA Joint Air Force Flying Saucer Task Force.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Wow. Okay, so before you go into depth on that,
I'm going to go to break. I'm literally I gotta
play some metro music. I'm going off of kg R
Radio and we're just going to keep the space going.
Sorry to cut you off, man, but I gotta.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
No Unfortunately, I gotta go for work, man, So yeah,
I have to go at nine. I might be able
to come back after my work call, but yeah, I
got to take a client call.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
We might be open, So thanks for jumping in, man,
I'm going to roll the outro music here, but everybody,
stay hold tight and we'll hear for more for you
in about a minute. Two hundred years ago, two thousand
(55:22):
years ago. This isn't going to work. She's picking up
a massive object in this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I can sense them in my vicinity, so I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Bulk in head. Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in public,
so
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work. She's picking up a massive object in
this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Walk in head, Honcho, walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in public.
So welcome back to last night on UFO Twitter. Wow,
(00:54):
I finally have my energy back. Since last week. We
friend of mine, Jason Gilmet, who also runs UAP Studies podcasts,
we traveled from Canada to the November thirteenth Congressional hearings
(01:16):
and we met with some really interesting people. We heard
some interesting testimony that has now been recorded to Congressional record,
and we have, you know, had not just one hearings
at this point, we've had two. Yesterday there was the
(01:40):
ARROW All Domain Anonymous Resolution Organization. What does it again?
ARROW stand for? But there congressional hearing led by Senator
Senator Gillibrand happened and the only person to testify there
(02:03):
was doctor John T. Cousloski, who's the new director of ARROW.
So it was kind of like an arrow psyop. I
guess we kind of expected arrow to dunk on any
(02:24):
credible UAP footage or UFO existence or non human intelligence
theories that are out there. It wasn't surprising it happened.
Everybody was everybody that's part of the UFO community that's
not like a demon hunter. We expected that, right. So
(02:49):
here we are. I'm going to bring in the Twitter spaces,
the twits, the tweets, the Twitter people. Hello, everybody. I'd
like to start up the space by hearing from Pastor Dale,
my friend from Observer of Anomalous Objects, who usually gives
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us some kind of positive message to start the space
off on. Go for it, Dale, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Darcy, and to everyone on X and everyone watching the
radio program last night on UFO Twitter, I just want
to welcome you and tell you how much I know Darcy,
and I appreciate you being here. I like to have
a sane a catchphrase to help people remember what I'm saying,
(03:39):
and so I try to come up with one every week,
and this week it's going to be the Sun will
rise again. The Sun will rise again. You know, it's
important to remember that when things are going sideways in
your life, It's important to remember that the sun will
rise again. Last Friday, I did a podcast with Matt
(04:01):
and we were covering the very topic that we're covering here.
In fact, I'm going to have another podcast with him
tomorrow to cover the same thing. The same night, it
was Friday night, I was sharing that podcast on my
ex account through DMS to friends of mine when all
of a sudden, I got locked out of my account,
(04:21):
and it really freaked me out. And the thing that
freaked me out is the fact that not only did
they lock me out, but the same night, a couple
of Matt's accounts were locked and so it was just
really weird. Here I am sharing the podcast, I get
locked out, Matt gets locked out, and I think you'd
(04:41):
have to call that a little suspicious. One of the
reasons that it alarmed me so much was because a
friend of mine named Gary got locked out like that,
very similar circumstances, and he never never got his account back,
And so I was freaking out and I was using
my second account. It's a backup account I have. I
(05:03):
literally started that account before the one my primary one
I have now, and I had a wopping five followers
on it, and so in desperation I started to get
word out to let people know what had happened to me. Now,
let me say this, this was a big deal to me.
I had almost four thousand followers and it's taking me
about four years to build that following. And one of
(05:27):
the reasons it was very important, not just losing the following,
but that would have crippled my podcasts because right now
the only way I have of advertising my podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is on x to be able to promote it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It wasn't life or death, but it was important to me.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Fortunately, Saturday night, right before I went to bed, they
went ahead and unlocked it. They didn't tell me why.
Some of the messages I got said suspicious activity, but anyway,
that's all I got. It's just they gave it back
to me. You know, we've all had days like mine,
days where it just kind of feels like nothing's going right.
(06:08):
But remember that the sun will rise again. I know
a lot of you are probably upset over yesterday's hearing.
It seems like nothing really change. In fact, I I
think it was just nothing more than damage control. When
Kazlowsky got out there, and he said there is no
evidence of extraterrestrial life. I think that pretty well set
(06:31):
the tone for the rest of the hearing. You know,
it might as well have been Kirkpatrick come out, because
that was a company line. And if you know, this
is my opinion, if that's the company line, then Koslawski
is like it or not. He's a company man. Now.
To be honest with you, I don't feel like it
was a setback because it was exactly what I expected.
(06:54):
I said, I was cautiously pessimistic. I said that before.
So you go back and find my post and say,
that's exactly what I was expecting. Now, if you are
still upset and you feel like it was a setback,
just remember that the sun will rise again. The point
I want to make is things are never as bad
(07:16):
as they appear. You know, there's an old saying making
a mountain out of a molehill. That's when you have
something that's kind of small and you kind of start
thinking on it and thinking on it, and pretty soon
it's not small anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's big.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It's making a mountain out of a molehill. And so
let me just encourage you. Don't make mountains out of
Molehills and always remember the sun will rise again.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's true. Dale, Thank you very much. That was inspirational
and based. Yeah, I panic probably once or twice a day,
and every time I panic, you know, it probably is
a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Of a.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Impending doom type of panic in my mind. But it's
things like you just said that remind us it's not
the end of the world. Just breathe, keep your head on.
You're gonna get through it. There's always some light at
the end of the tunnel if you just if you're
going towards the light, there will be some. So let's
(08:24):
talk about the hearings. Let's first, I've got a bunch
of speakers up here. Please mute if you're not like
directly gonna talk straight away. I wanted to hear from
Jace UAP Studies podcast. Give him a follow He's got
a good following on YouTube. Fellow Canadian who's been researching
(08:45):
UFOs and UAPs for a long time. One of the
major things he always complains to me, I should have
never What is it. He's always like, I was the
number one UAP related podcast. I would I was the
only one two years ago or something, and then you know,
you go on YouTube and stuff, and there's probably like
(09:07):
fifteen different channels called UAP something, but he was the original.
So hey, Jase, how's it going, man?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now it's going pretty good, Darcy, longtime listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, dude, listen to my voice and thanks for calling in.
I wanted to sort of recap some of the things
from the hearings that we were at, because you know,
why not, let's just let's just kick a dead dog
on the ground here, right, So we had here's some highlights.
Michael Schellenberger, who's a journalist, a veteran journalist in the
(09:46):
United States. He came forward and he presented to the
congressional hearing and this was put on congressional record officially
that there is an immaculate constellation, unacknowledged special access program
concerning data collection of UAPs. Now, this he alluded to,
(10:08):
is satellites and ground based listening systems that probably are
put in place for defense and intelligence purposes, but they
tend to be handy UAP or UFO collection apparatus. So
that was pretty interesting. He said, the IC contains hundreds,
(10:30):
if not thousands, of high resolution images of UFOs that
have yet to be released. He is the author of
this report. He says that there is a person that
leaked it to him, but he's not willing to divulge
that information unless they're in a skiff. Skips were the
(10:55):
most annoying thing for the UAP or UFO public. Sorry guys,
you know, classified information is classified information. People don't want
to go to jail or risk their sources going to jail, YadA, YadA.
He said that UAP craft were discs, triangles, some appeared
(11:19):
to be possibly organic, and some were orbs. Orbs and
spears we've heard of time and time again. Who else
did we hear from. We heard from Tim Galladett, a
friend of mine who have met in person and interviewed
for one of my docs. He talked about the Go
Fast twenty fifteen incident, in which he saw the video
(11:43):
before it was declassified and released to the public post
twenty seventeen, and he said that he went into interview
at Arrow and his interview to take this position that
doctor Koslowski eventually got. He said, instead of the interview
(12:05):
being about the job, it was a sixty minute or
so interview basically banging like them trying to brainwash him
that all UAP are just balloons, birds, prosaic objects, and
possibly black projects. I'm okay with the black projects part,
(12:27):
but the rest is like kind of dumb. We know
that things like the phoenix lights are not balloons.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
So you sure it's not swamp gas.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, dude, don't forget about swamp gas. Of course, Jail
and Heine's favorite. We also have Louise Ela Zondo, who
claimed that there was a multi decade long secrecy on UAF,
UAP or UFO crash retrievals. There are multiple programs that
(13:04):
we're going on. He said that we have been re
engineering or you know, reverse engineering this technology, and we
possibly have some craft that can do some of the
capabilities that these crash craft are capable of. He said
(13:26):
the Pentagon is hiding all this info from Congress, and
he confirms that the Pentagon blocked the transfer of UAP
material from Lockheed to Biglow Aerospace. He said that UFOs
are regularly intruding our airspace, buzzing our military locations or airspace,
(13:54):
and interfering with nuclear assets. What else did you say.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Injuries to pilots and injuries to military personnel.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that one on r yep, yep, true. Drue Aaron Kessel,
you're here and there. He's the cat on Twitter. So
for folks that are listening from KGr go give give
him a follow. He's a pretty brilliant guy when it
comes to the UFO and UAP issues. And then, last
(14:27):
but not least, although I'm not quite sure where he
fits in all this, Michael Gold he testified and he
said that NASA is the paradigm of UFO transparency. That
was kind of shocking considering we know that this has
(14:47):
been going on for decades and NASA has been front
and foremost to the public always debunking cases, especially objects
that were picked up by their space cameras in deep space.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They cut their feet. They cut their feet like yeah
once once every month.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, they cut their feed every time something normally shows up.
It's uh, they either of you know, up useKate the
video adds snow you know, uh, cut the feed, change
the camera direction. They know what's up, and there's some
weird stuff going on up there in space, but they
(15:27):
tend to not be disclosing anything. And he did say
that there was you know, there is a reporting mechanism
and there is a collection system within NASA for collecting
UAP or UFO data and material and objects that have
(15:51):
been sighted or whatever. He said that that would be
the perfect you know, NASA program or a group to
take part in really showcasing this.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think it was a really cool presentation. It was
a really interesting time in history. Not everybody is completely
enamored by it. People were upset about skips being mentioned
and YadA, YadA, YadA, but you know what, it was
(16:32):
still pretty interesting to me, and I don't agree. I
think it was an amazing time in history. Got to
speak with some cool people there. Let's talk about that hearing.
Anybody want to go for it, Aaron Steve, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I mean it was a lot more than we've gotten
since the nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty eight hearing,
Like the nineteen sixty six was private, nineteen sixty eight
was public. But I mean like it was a lot
more than we've got over the years. So I mean,
don't complain, right, That's the way I see it. And
I mean, on the record, they literally just said that
(17:13):
these objects have been harming humans, and I mean that's
a huge thing because that has not been acknowledged, and
a lot of people are unaware. But back in twenty
twenty two, before David Grush, the Sun had sued a
TIP and the DIA back in twenty seventeen after the
(17:37):
New York Times article came out, and they received their
four request in twenty twenty two, and they released fifteen
thousand documents that showed I'm sorry, but one thousand, five hundred.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Documents, not fifteen fifteen yet.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Yeah, fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred, not fifteen thousand, but fifteen
hundred documents. And in those documents it showed that there
were anomalous harmed humans biological and physical.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So yeah, there's a recorded history of this, and the
fact that that's been mentioned in a congressional hearing environment
it means we can go forward from here to more
inquiry on things like that. So I think that's what
people are missing here, that we've opened the door on
(18:26):
many different really interesting concepts that have existed for decades
in this community in this sort of like hidden truth
from the public. But now that it's been read into
congressional record, Senators, congressmen, congress women, they can go after
this information. They can request request skiffs for this type
(18:51):
of information to be read. It, you know, into that
environment with other potential whistleblowers and experience, and like, what
if we have another congressional hearing where we actually hear
from people that were injured, were their help was affected.
I think that's coming.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Well, it's important. I think so too. But I want
to highlight that there's been like five years since twenty eighteen,
maybe six years now of private hearings going on with
the Gang of Eight and some members of Congress. So
there's been private hearings happening while the public hearings are happening.
The public hearings have only been happening for three years.
(19:34):
The private hearings have been happening for at least five
or six. So there's a lot more that's been happening
behind the scenes. And if you look at Jay Stratton's
account on Twitter slatch x, you'll see the post that
he had there with Louel Zondo and kind of a
joint statement where they were saying that there was things
(19:54):
happening behind the scenes. And then you also have Chris Mellen,
who wrote for the Debrief back in twenty twenty two,
just basically saying that he's aware of whistleblowers that are
about to go public, and they were basically putting forth
the legislation to protect them within Congress in December and
(20:17):
then it passed, and then after it passed, it took
a few months, but then David Grush came forward within
I think it was June or July.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah, But those guys are still getting like a shitload
of pushback and getting threats, and so it's not really
it's not motivating for people to come out and come forward.
And you know, Matt Ford just releases a thing that
got put into day hearing today where he basically was
(20:48):
saying that the guy the gatekeeper basically for Arrow, which
is like the official place for whistleblowers to be able
to like speak their testimony, the main gatekeeper guy that
basically would feed stuff to the CIA is the one
on the advisory board that was placed there by John Kirkpatrick.
(21:12):
So right now we still don't have a safe mechanism
in place for whistleblowers. So I think we are making progress.
I never had doubts that things were happening behind the scenes.
I think lots of has happened behind the scenes, and
in public since twenty seventeen. A lot of people don't
have a reference point for this because they were, you know,
(21:33):
fairly new to the topic and you know, only heard
about it because it's Tom Dawong or whatever. But a
lot has been moving. But the problem is is like
this this stuff is these guys are like legacy guys
that know how to play the game right, And so
we need public pressure and we need more to come
out publicly so that we can keep putting pressure on
(21:56):
these gatekeeper guys in Congress and let them know what
to look for and who to go to. So I
think we're making a lot of progress. It's just and
we're not going to get more whistleblowers until we create
a safe means of doing so.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
No, there's so.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
There's there's avenues. There's avenues that are available right now,
like the Soul Foundation. But Arrow, like you can google
this and you can look this up sand Corp Arrow contract.
Sand Corp is a whistle blower an anti whistleblower organization
that literally goes after whistleblowers, and Arrow paid sand Corp
for services. Like the contract is there, it's public, you
(22:41):
can look it up on gov spending and I have
it available if anybody can't find it, but post.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Arrow, post it in the bubble, you know, the pill
or whatever, so that people that are in the space
can follow that.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Okay, yeah, I'll definitely do that. But yeah, if anybody
has information, go to Soul Foundation, go to Congress, go
to News Nation. Those are your safe routes. A void
Arrow at all costs. ARROW is overseen by SRG, SAPOC
and ERROW exect Er. Exec Board is basically the who's
(23:20):
who of the gatekeepers and like, it's absolutely ridiculous that
Congress created this organization. And the reason why this organization
was created has to do with the swarmings that happened
in twenty nineteen. In July, it was the Omaha incident
(23:43):
and then there's another one. Yeah, yeah, so those reports
were actually leaked. It was the UAP Task for Forces
reports that were leaked by the Navy accidentally, right, They
accidentally uploaded the files online and the Sun reported on
it was the only outlet that reported on these files
when they got leaked. And the slides for the UAP
(24:07):
Task Force were actually posted online and then deleted shortly after.
So that's the reason why ERRA was formed. In the
first place, right, because after those that incident or after
those incidents, and then basically Congress in twenty twenty two
was grilling Ronald Moultrie and Scott Bray, right, and they
(24:33):
were grilling them on this incident, and they were saying
that they were drones. And then you had one hundred
plus one hundred plus different naval officials and also Jay
Stratton and Travis what's his name, Travis Taylor, Yeah, Travis
Taylor come out and say that their UFO bosses are
sorry that their their bosses in the Pentagon lied to
(24:56):
them and lied to Congress saying that those were drones
when they said that they were anomalous and that they
were triangles and orbs and everything else. So that's the
whole kind of situation of what's been going on, and
I think a lot of people aren't aware of kind
of all the facts of how we got here to speak.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
How pathetic was that Arrow led congressional hearing yesterday November
the nineteenth. I mean, look, people are talking about how
it was only two senators that were there, Jillibrand was
leading it, and then you had just one person giving testimony,
(25:45):
And that's the new director of Arrow, John Doctor John T. Kozlowski,
and that guy had this like super nervous look. He
had Susan go over his right shoulder, looking like, I
(26:05):
don't know, some kind of possessed troll lady. And everybody
knows she's kind of pulling the strings behind the scenes
on the secrecy of this thing. With regards to Arrow,
they debunked go Fast said it was a balloon. They
debunked Agwidella, the twenty thirteen Agwadea footage, which let's just
(26:29):
go back to that footage for a second and maybe
we can talk to NYUAP discussion about this. My friend
Andy Marciel, he actually traveled with me to Puerto Rico.
We met the whistleblower or the leaker who released the
Agwadella twenty thirteen footage when he was working for CBP, Customs,
(26:52):
Border and Patrol, and all the information that we got
from him proved to us. You know, it's going to
be hard to prove to everybody out there, but it
proved to us without a shadow of a doubt, that
was not a balloon. That object came from the ocean,
(27:12):
It flew over the Raphael Hernandez International airport on the
west coast of Puerto Rico. It did a circle around,
It went over a parking garage, over a neighborhood, over
the beach, and back into the ocean. And let's add
to that, just before it went completely like invisible in
(27:34):
the ocean, it duplicated into two very strange stuff. We
had Dave Folch talking about that in one of our
last spaces. He is a Fleer camera technician. He works
for a company that repairs Westcam systems, which are the
same guys that would have built that like million dollar
(27:57):
system on the CVP plane that capture that object. And
when you see a bird with that type of system,
it's probably an MX fifteen, we don't know, but when
you see an MX fifteen through that lens in that
flear technology, you see the complete shape of that bird.
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When you see a balloon, a balloon flutters, it jostles,
it doesn't make a like direct straight trajectory flying down up,
and then you know, splitting into two. And yeah, everything
about that footage seemed to point to being something anomaloist.
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The other kicker to that was that no one on
the ground, the pilot and no one inside the plane
could see that object with their naked eye. This is
also a feature of UAPs or UFOs. They like to
stay cloaked, so to speak. And it was picked up
on in the Flear footage, and it was the Flear
(29:03):
camera operator that followed this. Anything else I'm missing here? Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Andy, Well, let's not forget the fact that the FedEx
plane was grounded until the object cleared. Okay, So I'm
pretty sure you know, if it was just a regular balloon,
they wouldn't, you know, well some stunt like that, I mean.
And also I don't even want to entertain the fact
(29:28):
that it was a fucking balloon. I mean, it's clear
as it's clear as day. There's absolutely no possible. First
of all, it's been debunked a million times. It was
called the balloon many times already. It was called a
freaking pelican, for God's sake, And it's just it's just
ridiculous because this is how I look at it. These
are people that are operating these uh you know, these devices,
(29:50):
these these cameras. We're entrusting them with this technology. We're
in trusting them with these million dollar you know, devices
or craft. And if they're telling you they're seeing something
that they don't understand you basically, And I always said
it from the from from when I got the videos
that you know, we're released to me two years back.
(30:12):
Then there's a bigger problem because we're not training our
people properly where they can't distinguish that they can't distinguish,
you know, a balloon from something else. Like it's just
that's that's a bigger to me, that's a bigger problem.
We have a bigger uh situation on our hands when
that can't be distinguished from our pilots that are being
(30:32):
trained to operate these these craft and use this technology.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
So uh, I think right off the bat, like within
the first two minutes of the hearing, that Kulosky guy,
uh he he was like, I think that arrow.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
You know, you know, we're sticking to the same scientific
method we were using before, and you know, everything's just fine.
It was just the old old guy that people didn't like.
But now everything's the same. But you know, new face.
Everything's fine, you know, but it's clear that they're not
approaching some of these anomalous incidents with a truthful lens.
(31:16):
You know, they're they're still obfus skating so I think
the problem like I almost can't trust, like show me
the data, right, It's like what Gary Nolan says, you
can't do the scientific method without showing the science. And
I just wanted to make it away to Darcy because
(31:36):
I know he sometimes can't see hands. But UAP Studies
podcast has had their hand up for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, go for it. And by the way,
for the kg r A listeners that you know deep
cadence voice that was just speaking. That's Awesap Rocky, good friend.
Go follow him on Twitter too. He's like a diamond
in the rough. So go for it. Sorry about that.
Somebody call the hands for me because I can't see
it from Mike Glitchy desktop Twitter.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I was gonna start after this.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I just thought you were mad at me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Uh so, no, super quiet, not at all.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Nothing, No, I know, but you brought some good points,
not only about what took place in Congress, but you know,
to be honest and completely put all my cards on
the table. I think we need to clean house ourselves
within our own community because I know the whistleblower situation
(32:35):
is messy, but we are all fighting each other at
the same time. Each one of us trying to discredit
the other person's work. There's no unity. And we want
unity amongst the whistleblowers, but we ourselves can't even unite
under this same banner. And what's ridiculous is that it
almost formed into a religion where we're adhering to these
(32:58):
absolutes or these religious doctrines of old, you know, from
the people before us, the sort of old dinosaurs that
came before us, that laid the ground and foundation. But
we need to clean up house. And Darcy and I
both agree. We got Charlatan's amongst our myths, and people
who make tons of money off of this and yet
(33:21):
provided nothing, or at least have not provided anything in
over a decade.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
They're just fattening those pockets, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
With thousand percent, yeah, yeah, And this is the problem
that we're facing, something that I mentioned on the podcast
all the time, and it's a stupid slogan, but I'm
spreading it as much as possible.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Teamwork to make the dream work. If we're not united,
we're not going to get anywhere. If we're dealing with
a civilization just one, it would require all of us,
all of our efforts together to uncover what a civilization
is all about. We're dealing with multiple you guys all
know this. It's not one species. We're dealing with multiple visitors.
(34:04):
And for us to fight even amongst ourselves, I think
it's foolish. And I think we need unity more than
ever and teamwork, and I think we see that enough
amongst let's call them the elites or the self appointed
elites in our class, that there's only ever four people
that get interviewed on any any news nations or CNN
(34:25):
or whatever. It's always just four names, as if there's
just four people in the world. They all happen to
live in America, one in Australia. That are the experts.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And I think that's ridiculous. Hopefully that'll change it pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah. Actually, some exciting news for some of the listeners
and followers here, my buddy Andy Marciel from NYUAP discussion.
He's actually going to be featured on a News Nation
special coming up. It's going to be dedicated to the
(34:58):
stuff that he reviewed to the world not too long ago.
And so this is the other thing people are missing.
Aero comes out yesterday. They used that mockery of a
Congressional hearing to debunk the Agwadella footage. Okay, but that
footage came from CBP, which is a you know, part
(35:20):
of the Department of Homeland Security umbrella and DHS and
CVP released they released their UAP reports at the end
of twenty twenty three, in August actually of twenty twenty three.
And in those papers that they released, you can go
(35:41):
look them up. DHS, CBP, UAP published papers. They said
that the Agwadella footage, the A ten warthog, the La bruej,
the you know, the what's the other one, the rubber duck,
that was authentic UAP footage because they have credible observers
(36:05):
that work for their establishment, that go out on flights,
that go out on boats every day, go out on
trucks that have these fleer camera systems mounted to them.
They're looking for suspicious activity. They're looking for cartels, they're
looking for you know, human traffickers and illegals and all
(36:28):
kinds of stuff. You know, that is they don't know Bueno.
They don't want that coming across the border and so
on and so forth. We're coming through the ocean onto
their land. And when they observe these things. They put
those videos into this what the fuck basket because they
(36:50):
could not understand what that was. It didn't fit the
paradigm of a conventional craft. It wasn't emitting a heat
signature that would you know, fit something prosaic like a
bird or a balloon. So what the hell is that?
And then you got Arro coming in and saying, no,
(37:11):
it's just a balloon. It's like, did you not look
at the studies that were released by CBP and DHS.
Did you not look at Seu's work? The Scientific Coalition
for UAP Studies. I know that's civilian, but it's full
of scientists. And Robert Powell did a very good analysis
(37:32):
of the Aguadilla footage. I implore people to go read that.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Well, they only have Title ten. They only have Title
ten investigative ability, right, they can't go outside of basically
their doors, like they have very limited investigation capability. So
that's their excuse. But it's all set up that way,
and then you have it it's crazy because you have
(38:00):
Title ten, you have errow under Title ten, and then
you have at the same time you have them being
overseen by SRG, SAPAC and aero exech. So there's like
a two way failure, like it's crazy. So they can
they can go and say, oh, yeah, we don't know
about these programs, but you don't have access to these
(38:22):
programs even find them.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Bale had his hand up, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I keep seeing them pop up requesting to speak,
so yeah, I go for a Dale, thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm just having trouble for some reason, I can't see
who's speaking, and when it shows me speaking, it shows everybody.
So a little technical issues. I just I found some
things interesting that I'm sure many of you noticed, But
the one that kind of stuck out to me was
when Senator Jillibrand asked Kulaski how he was going to
(38:55):
help people who hadn't trusted Arrow in the past to
be able to trust him. And I don't know if
you guys caught this or not. The only answer he
has is, well, this is why it was created. And
I just like, what in the world what kind of
answer was that? And you know the other thing that
I noticed is in both of the House hearings, the
(39:19):
witnesses had to, you know, raise their hands and swear
an oath, and in the three Senate hearings. I didn't
see that happen for any of them, and so to me,
that's very very telling.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, what did the really like? There were so many
moments like that. They were like awkward. They didn't seem
like a normal conversation or inquiry.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
At the previous congressional hearing on November thirteenth, they asked
a question, are is there a reverse engineering program?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
There is, you know question answer. It seemed like Jillibrand
was like leading this guy the whole time. It was
like she would spend four minutes asking the question to
make sure that he answered exactly the way that she
wanted him to answer. And it's like, dude, take the
training wheels off. This is a big boy. He's supposed
(40:19):
to be the director of Arrow now, right, Like, you
don't have to lead the guy so much. And they
brought up that there was the Langley Air Force based
swarm right the incursions over the air space recently. The
way that they glossed over that it was just so weird. Great, Yeah,
(40:43):
they mentioned it, and then when she mentioned that, he
was like, yeah, well, it's incursions and events like that
where we're going to make sure that drones and birds
and you know other prosaic objects are not responsible. And
it's like, Okay, did you just allude to that being
(41:05):
drones or balloons or birds or other prosaic things. How
is that possible for days on end that could happen?
And if they are drones that are not our own
what like, it just made no sense.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Then they also left out the the Indiana swarming that
happened a few weeks after the Langley incursion.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
The other thing that she did was she called them
UAPs and then Yellow Bran turned right around and called
him adversarial tech. And it's like, make up your mind
because you're basically saying they're drones even though you're calling
them UAPs.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, it was. It was a total cluster f you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
But they were calling them UAVs and Darcy, I just
want to point out you and what you mentioned at
the beginning and aerial systems.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Yeah, sorry if I might be glitching if I can't
hear anybody, but yeah, I think we should keep an
open mind that perhaps they know who who's behind some
of these things, and maybe some of these advanced tech
are an adversarial technology, and they just don't want us
(42:28):
to know that they've leapfrogged us in that way. You know,
that is also a possibility for some of it. I
don't think it explains everything, but I think when they
when they are talking in like very broad strokes, it's
very possible that some of it is something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It's very true it has to be something like that.
But let's go to Andy. We kind of cut him off,
and then we'll go back to you.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Aaron, No, it's cool. I was just going to say
that two things. You were right what you said about
this dude. The look on him was there was something off.
I got that. The entire time he was talking was
like almost like he was nervous or I don't know,
it just seemed like there was something really going on
(43:14):
there where it gave off a vibe of like, I
don't know, it's like something was something was just not
right with the way he presented himself, in the way
he was speaking and in regards to what also just said, Yeah,
I just I just can't say that. You just can't
say that. I always laugh at the whole adversarial thing
(43:35):
or you know, Russia or China. Unfortunately, that's just you
can't use that as an argument with this because it's
just I mean, for God's sakes, it's it's it's been
through us all through history, you know. I mean, there's
been accounts written in all different cultures about these things.
So it's like, I just find it funny that that
keeps being brought up in this aspect, because how can
(43:58):
you use that.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
I'm not saying it explains everything, that's the thing. I'm
saying that, like, if we have reverse engineering programs and
others have reverse engineering programs, it's possible that one of
these countries has cracked it first.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, no, I agree there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, And they did mention that there. I think in
last week's congressional hearing they said that there was an
adversarial reverse engineering program, like there was an overseas China
multiple Yeah, China.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
China has omitted it, and that's been out there for
years now.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
But I was going to say, I was gonna just
real quickly say that it's almost like they pulled the
national security card and said, look, you know this is
national security issue. We're going to kill this now because
that's all they can do. That's all they have to do, right,
They all I have to do is just tell the
senators and and just tell them and say it's this
(44:59):
is a national sk any issue, and this is how
we're going to script this, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Like yeah, I mean that is the Trump card like
nine to eleven event. But you know, somehow it happened
related to UAPs, we would everything would be locked down.
I don't even think this would be a it wouldn't
be a freedom of speech issue anymore. It would be
(45:26):
a national security issue. But let's hear what Steven. You're here,
McKay McKee.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, Mackie, Mackie.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Man?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I met you at the Mario Napfall space the other week,
and you know, you have some interesting things to say
about this.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
Well, first of all, I appreciate that. I think that
a lot of what I have to say is less
interesting than anybody else up here. But I was I
was thinking just now about the national security taking that
away from what the senators are trying to look for,
and I'd say, good luck with that. If that's what
the Intelligence and Navy is wanting to do. At Air
Force as well. The whole reason that we're hearing about
(46:11):
this is because there's an intelligence program that has gotten
away from Congressional oversight. I don't really think that the
Congressional Oversight Board is as interested in getting this information
to the public as much as they're interested in getting
control of it. So I think that if there's some
compromise between you know, this program or these these classified
(46:32):
programs saying Okay, well we'll come to heal it, we'll
give you some oversight, and you guys can be in
the know, but let's keep it away from the public,
I think that a lot of elected officials would be
gained for that. So that's one of my concerns that
I have. But I also think that there's been a
lot of concern that this is going to be an
(46:53):
issue that you know, it looks like it's coming to
light now, but it won't come to light later. I
think as long as we're talking about on X and
X is a free speech platform, I don't think that
this is going to go away. The Internet is such
a powerful tool to combat some crazy secrecy like the
UAP phenomenon. I just I don't understand how any intelligence
(47:18):
organization in the world could combat you know, all these
incredible interested folks and all the listeners. So those are
kind of my general thoughts on where the direction of
the conversation is going is. I don't think that we
should trust the congressional authorities that are, you know, trying
(47:39):
to say that they're representing us in this moment. I
don't really believe them. But also I think that the
people have a lot more power than really anybody in
the government thinks, or that we ourselves think at this time.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well, I'll say this, like the congressional hearing that happened
last week on Wednesday, November thirteenth, that honestly gave me
hope that you know, the elected representatives were actually going
to try and you know, quarterback this issue and bring
it to the front and make sure that we all
(48:12):
understand it a bit better, and maybe that there would
be further legislation, like a possible uap DA past that
has meaningful literature, meaningful legislation there that could allow them
(48:33):
to actually make meaningful inquiries into what's going on with
this subject from the intelligence community and from the military
community like the DoD. But yesterday's hearing did not give
me a hope like that. I would not trust at all.
(48:55):
I mean that one reminds the joke. It reminds me
that they want you to They want the average citizen
to be very ill informed and very stupid. And you know,
I feel like this community has a lot of bright
(49:16):
people that are debunking bs but then making serious inquiry
into credible events and interesting things that have happened regarding
the UAP or UFO history that's gone on for decades now.
So whatever happened yesterday, that was just like, it was gross.
(49:36):
It was not cool my opinion. But look, I ran
into I hung out with Oswaldo, who is here tonight
the Disclosure Revolution with Oswaldo Franco, nicest guy. I think
you guys should follow his Twitter account. He's doing some
(49:57):
pretty interesting stuff and I want to know if I
can work with him somehow on some of the things
that he's been researching. But yeah, what what else could
we discuss regarding yesterday? I mean, it was no I.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Mean, I mean, if they were serious, they would start
inquiring on the nineteen sixty six hearing and everything that
happened there and the briefing with the Robertson panel, which
is still not public. Fred Fred Durant's notes let's see
(50:40):
what else. The nineteen eighty six incident with the japan Airlines,
that CIA briefed inside of the CIA and inside the Pentagon,
which led to the nineteen eighty seven UFO Working Group
being formed and hosted out of BDM in or not
(51:02):
within a skiff. So I mean, if they were serious,
they would start actually inquiring into some of these past
briefings that are still not public. If they were serious,
they would, you know, they would bring up the fact
that in the nineteen nineties, Senator Jeff Bingman or Bingamn sorry,
(51:25):
was lied to by the Air Force and told that
Project Moondust didn't exist. And then in nineteen the late
nineteen nineties early two thousands, Project Moondust was declassified and
we had all these documents come out basically proving that
they were doing recoveries of flying saucers. So like, it's
(51:48):
out there, the evidence is out there, the connection there
to Betel Memorial and EJ Center, it's out there. And
Anthony Brigalia has done a lot of really good work
on digging into the past history of this and Betel's involvement,
as well as naming the doctors that were involved. So
(52:13):
I mean there's so much evidence out there, they can't
hide this away forever.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, So you and I we met on Mario Knawfall's
space last week, Aaron and we started talking really, you know,
we became fast friends, talking about the UEP or UFO history.
And you brought up just now the UFO Working Group. Now,
(52:41):
the first time I read or heard about that was
from Howard Blum's book out There. And this is like
a very well researched journalist who's written multiple books about
all kinds of different things. He's not a UFO author.
That was his very own that was his one and
(53:02):
only UFO related book, and he talked about in that
the UFO Working Group. This is what you would call
a legacy program. This is like not a term that
a lot of people hear about. They hear about maybe
MJ twelve right or Zodiac those are two legacy possible groups, right,
(53:26):
But the UFO Working Group is a really interesting one
that was like circa nineteen eighties, and Howard Blum was
speaking to people that were part of that, that were
literally like generals that were read into that group.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
And yeah, Regula, yeah, Major General Albert stubblebeing was one
of his sources. I was told directly by stubblebeing himself, yeah,
that he was one of the sources, and highlighted that
there was a point within the book where there was
an argument taking place between stubble Bean and US Air
(54:05):
Force General James for Foughts. And it's funny how they
got this by Dopster, but they got it by Dopster
because it was just an argument. And it literally confessed
within the book that stubble Bean and James for Thoughts
created the or expanded I should say, expanded the Moondust
(54:25):
or what Blum called within the book the d I
a CIA Joint Air Force Flying Saucer Task Force.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Wow. Okay, so before you go into depth on that,
I'm going to go to break. I'm literally I gotta
play some metro music. I'm going off of kg R
Radio and we're just going to keep the space going.
Sorry to cut you off, man, but I gotta.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
No Unfortunately, I gotta go for work, man, So yeah,
I have to go at nine. I might be able
to come back after my work call, but yeah, I
got to take a client call.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
We might be open, So thanks for jumping in, man,
I'm going to roll the outro music here, but everybody,
stay hold tight and we'll hear for more for you
in about a minute. Two hundred years ago, two thousand
(55:22):
years ago. This isn't going to work. She's picking up
a massive object in this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I can sense them in my vicinity, so I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Bulk in head. Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh my God. Was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in public,
so
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