September 25, 2024 • 55 mins
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
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https://x.com/occultjourneys
https://www.instagram.com/darcyweirfilms/
https://www.youtube.com/@OccultJourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
https://www.instagram.com/ny_uap_discussion/
https://www.youtube.com/@UFOCompilation
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
https://www.instagram.com/darcyweirfilms/
https://www.youtube.com/@OccultJourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
https://www.instagram.com/ny_uap_discussion/
https://www.youtube.com/@UFOCompilation
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, that's uh, that's the intro to my show
with Andy Mercyell. I'm gonna pipe in everybody now from
X and we'll get the check going. Where is it?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Where's X?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh that's weird. Give me a seck clothes that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I can't have a debut without technical difficulties.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can't, can't.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We just I was at the serial meeting Sunday night,
and that's Yvonne's abductee group and we just called it them.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
We're having all kinds of technical problems.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
We just called it them.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
M h damn. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be right
to fight in this. Then we're oh, maybe that's why. Okay,
give me a seck. There we go. All right, everybody
(01:52):
on the intrawebs and kg r A. I am currently
live on on Twitter spaces. So for the future, if
people want to interact with the X crowd that's live
with us tonight, they can head over there. I'm gonna
(02:13):
start basically having people speak from UFO Twitter. You can
see them up on the screen there. And I wanted
to Hey Dallas from Facebook, good to hear from you.
I wanted to bring up Dale Pastor Dale my buddy
(02:34):
online right now to tell a story, just something positive
for the community because we got a lot of negativity
going on. Go for it, tail.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Thank you Darcy.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
It's good being here.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's good to see all you guys are to join
you anyway on this great UFO Twitter week.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I love the name Darcy. By the way UFO Treehouse.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't think he could have done better than that.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Well, I want to.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
My goal is to bring words of hope, wisdom and inspiration.
And so let me start by asking this question, what's
the difference between hope and hopelessness? What's the difference between
hope and hopelessness? Well, sometimes it can be who you
listen to, and so be careful who you listen to.
(03:24):
For example, when my oldest daughter turned about twelve years old,
we knew something was going on and we weren't sure
what it was. But you know, junior high that's a
tough time for all teenagers or kids going in. So
it was about time she was going into junior high.
And we ended up going to having a statecase worker
(03:46):
evaluate because we knew something was going on, and she
diagnosed her preliminary anyway with autism, and so she recommended
that we go to the CDRC and Eugene, which is
the place you go and get officially diagnosed for autism.
And so about two weeks later we took her there,
(04:08):
and I'll never forget. After the testing was over, one
of the doctors came up to me and he told me,
he said, you need to start saving as much money
as you can, because your daughter is going to be
disabled the rest of her life and not be able
to take care of herself. And as you can imagine,
as a parent, man.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I was floored.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
But I refused to accept that diagnosis, and so I
started trying to encourage my daughter that she could be
whoever she wanted to be. But the words of that
doctor had kind of sank into her head, and she
was telling me that she was going to be disabled
the rest of her life. And she even in fact
asked me to quit trying to encourage her because she
(04:56):
said that if it doesn't happen, I'm going to be devastated.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
But I persisted.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now, in junior high, she had a terrible time back
seventh grade nearly killed her, and so I took her
out of the junior high and I put her in
a Christian School, and she couldn't do that. Then I
tried Connections Academy, which is an online school, and she
couldn't do that, and so Christian School was about a
month online Connections Academy was about a week school. And
(05:26):
then I decided in desperation to put her back in
the junior high And the friday I put her back in,
they had a three hour lockdown because of some threats,
and you can imagine what that did to her, and
so we pulled her out. It was looking pretty hopeless,
but they went ahead and sent us the papers to
put her in high school, and we went ahead and
(05:49):
put her in, and it turned out that was one
of the best decisions we made, because the high school
was much more prepared to be able to give her
an environment that she could learn in.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
In fact, the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
That me away was that she went literally from seventh
grade to ninth grade and got all a's, And so
by the time she got the first year done, the
freshman year done, she started to believe, hey, maybe I
can graduate from high school, maybe I can have a life.
(06:20):
And by the time she graduated from high school, she
got like a three point nine to four GPA. She
was top ten percent in her class, and that last
year or two she started going, you know what, Dad,
I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go
to college. And today she's over at Oregon State University.
(06:40):
She's in her third year and she's working on a PhD.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Holy snap.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So be careful who you listen to now. I tell
this story to inspire you, to give you hope. See,
there are all kinds of voices that are that are
telling us we can't. Maybe one of those voices it's
coming from you. Let me tell you something. I don't
care where the voice is coming from. If it's making
(07:07):
you feel hopeless, then then that's the voice or the
voices that you shouldn't be listening to.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I went over and.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Visited with Yvonne Smith this weekend, and I had a
lot of doubts about something, and I kept telling myself,
I can and I will.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
And so let me just encourage you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
If you've got those negative voices around you, if people
keep telling you you can't, you tell them you can,
and you start saying that mantra, I can and I will.
And so let me let me close this little saying
with what I began with be careful who you listen to.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I really I couldn't agree with you more there. Dale
really impressed with that, those words of motivation and your
daughter's backstory. I mean, I will add that my whole life.
And I'm pretty sure a lot of people in this group,
this space tonight would would share the same sort of experiences.
(08:11):
I've had. Relatives, my family members tell me I can't succeed,
I can't do this, can't do that. I've had trolls online,
you know, say I've got the shittiest films on the
planet Earth, and blah blah blah. I've worked with people
in the industry and they, you know, look down on me,
(08:33):
and I just keep coming up, so, you know. And
funny enough, when I was in high school, my world
history teacher, who I actually like adored. He was super funny,
(08:53):
super personable, had like really interesting views, you know, told
it the way it was, which which is you know,
how I try to do my documentaries. I try to
just straight facts if I can, right, And he said,
you know, Darcy, you're probably not going to go to university.
(09:16):
You're You're at best going to make it in community college.
And I'm like, wow, it crushed me when he's when
he said that in front of a whole or like classroom,
and I was like, I think I said like fuck you,
buddy or something like that at the back of the
class and he was cool about it. But you know,
(09:41):
fast forward, I went to a technical film school and
I did like a technical diploma, and I did go
to university and I graduated with bachelors. You know, I'm
not a rocket scientist. But I ran into him somehow,
(10:03):
like walking around my old neighborhood after all of that,
and just I said to him like, hey, man, I've
got a degree, I'm working in my field, blah blah blah.
And he was like really, And I could just see
the look on his face. He fucking felt really bad
that he embarrassed me like that. And I think even
(10:27):
in this community, people try to embarrass each other and
take each other down instead of prop each other up,
because they actually get like a dopamine hit off of that.
They're addicted to either calling bs on other people or
taking other people down, and that dopamine hit, you know,
(10:53):
is what they live off of. It's not a healthy
way to live. For like maybe Dale or I or
some other people but they still do it and it's
a very I think it's a reckless way to live,
and it ends up really affecting our reality around us negatively,
(11:18):
because if you believe in consciousness affecting matter for example,
or our reality, that negativity is just like it's BS
and I don't like it, but sometimes you do have
the call BS on stuff. I totally agree with that too. Dale,
(11:40):
thank you so much for speaking. You're welcome to stick
around as a speaker. Maybe mute your mic so I
can introduce some other people here and thank you. Man
appreciate it. Dave is here, Dave Fulch. I'm gonna introduce
you real quick. So and just before that, I've got
(12:04):
trans medium UFO. Who's my buddy Andy, Andy Marciel. He's
helped me make the most recent documentary where we traveled
to Puerto Rico. Great guy. I could call him a
close friend at this point. And you know, he's a
(12:26):
Puerto Rican native. He's an experiencer. He's seen UFOs with
his very own eyes at a young age in Puerto Rico.
And he convinced me that we had to sort of
cover the Puerto Rican beat, sort of look into the
the history and mystery of UFOs over there. And because
(12:50):
of his inspiration, you know, I ended ended up reaching
out to Jorge Martin, who's like an og journalist living
in Puerto Rico. He's been doing it for four decades,
and yeah, I just got to say, man, thanks Andy
(13:11):
for your contribution to the film and to my life really,
because you helped me grow as a filmmaker by being
a part of this story. So everybody say hi to Andy. Andy,
say hi to the crowd.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Hi guys, and thank you Darcy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's good, my.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Pleasure, great man awesome. So people may not have seen
my recent film, it's recently out. I just completed some interviews.
I did one with Richard Dolan. I did another one
today with Matt Ford. So gradually people will hear a
(13:55):
bit more about that adventure that Andy and I took
part in on the island. But you know, it essentially
started off by us reaching out to this journalist. He
said he could plug us into some to speak with
some people that are in Puerto Rico who are experiencers.
(14:18):
And essentially, as soon as I realized that we could
get an in person interview with the CBP agent who
was responsible for leaking the Department of Homeland Securities Aguadilla
twenty thirteen UAP footage. We were like stoked to go
(14:42):
and do this, so we flew out there. We interviewed him,
we interviewed a bunch of other Puerto Rican natives who've
you know, seen the phenomenon, and got back from that
edited the whole documentary together. It's been released now. Dave
(15:07):
Fultch was part of this journey because he actually did
a If you're looking at Dave Fulch's Twitter page, he's
actually a fleer, a forward looking infrared camera repair guy.
He's been doing it professionally for a number of years
(15:27):
for a company that services the type of cameras that
the CBP planes have, and a whole bunch of other
different parts of industry. And he originally actually did work
with Mick West. Mick really wanted Dave to be a
tool to debunk flear footage that actually showed authentic UAPs,
(15:53):
and when he kind of said, no, I'm not down
with debunking this because it seems be authentic, seems to
be real, they had a falling out. But Dave, why
don't you introduce yourself and you can unmute your there
you go.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Hey everybody, how are we doing tonight?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Good?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So, yeah, that was a good introduction Darcy's. It did
start off like that with Micwest, where it was kind
of cordial in the beginning, and then a lot of
people would kind of reach out to me on instant
message or the direct message and say, hey, you might
want to watch out for this guy because he's got
(16:41):
ulterior motives and I should have listened to him, but
I just kind.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Of went on my own little way, and.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He started to use the videos that I was giving
him to his advantage to debunk when I was actually
just saying, hey, look, it's kind of an anomaly. So
that's where I deviated from his confirmation bias and decided
to come up with my own certain conclusions.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's crazy. Yeah, So I brought up Assop Rocky here.
A lot of people may know him. He's a good
buddy of mine too. I really appreciate his contributions to
the community and the way he looks at the phenomenon
and analyzes the sort of ESP slash, let's say, like
(17:36):
social system side of things. We have a lot of
the same ideas, which is pretty cool. Everybody say hi
to him. Dave, what's going on with the jellyfish footage?
What do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Are you talking to me? Yeah, Dave, Okay, I'm just confirming. Well,
at first I thought it was like some kind of
crack and the detector or some kind of anomaly, But
the more I watched the video, it seemed to be
an object that is traversing through that particular area. And
(18:16):
it's not anythingthing that I've ever seen before, and it
does kind of it almost kind of masks itself with
the way the pixels go from hot to black. It's
something I really haven't seen. That's why kind of it
came to the conclusion that might be some kind of
DARPA project. But I'm you know, reaching on that one.
(18:39):
I really have no idea. It's not anything that I've seen,
and that was taken from probably west Cam MX twenty
that was tethered from a balloon over there in that region.
I believe that was like what was an Afghanistan or.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Something like that rack or something.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, over there.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You don't think it was like I made a video
on YouTube? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. People check out his YouTube.
What's your YouTube channel called.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't know if it's actually got a name.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I just always it's just Dayfault. Yeah yeah, it's day Fault.
Yeah yeah. So he's got some pretty cool analysis up there.
He shows literally what the and even if you click
on his Twitter page you could see a Flear photo
(19:36):
that I think is still from one of these MX
twenty or m X fifteen systems. Am I assuming that right?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's a different system. It's a Flear system opposed to
west Ham, but it's of what is that an F
thirty five lightning or something.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
I believe that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And so it shows clearly what the jet stream of
a jet, of a fighter jet would look like in Flear.
That's one of the points of contention that Mick West
has about the tic TAC footage. He thinks it's just
either a normally, which he's had that debate with Marrek.
(20:15):
He thinks it's either a normally in the actual camera technology,
or it's like a distant fighter jet and you're looking
at the jet stream behind it, which it wouldn't look
like the TICTAC. But you know, on Dave's channel you
(20:35):
can also see quite clearly what a mylar balloon looks
like moving in that kind of fleer technology, what a
latex balloon looks like, what a drone would look like,
what a bird would look like. I think you have
a bird in some of your shots, don't you.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I believe so, probably on the UFO, the one that
I caught.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Think I had a comparison.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he actually has
his own experience capturing a UAP while he was at
work with one of these Flear systems that was not
visible to the human eye, not visible in the light
spectrum of a camera that was shooting in the sky
at the same time, the light spectrums that the human
(21:25):
eye should see in, but it was visible in the
Flear spectrum. Just pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
What I was going to I wanted to add this
to that regards to Dave is it was because of
Dave's experiments that he did with different objects that the
SCU was able to ultimately confirm what the footage he
analyzed the rubber duck, the DHS videos basically assisted and
(22:00):
led to the conclusion that the objects were authentic and
you know, unknown.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So he's gone out of his way to create experiments
with all different types of objects to show exactly what
they look like through flear so that way you can
see the differences and understand what it is that you're
looking at and that it doesn't match. And there's nowhere
near any of these other objects that people are claiming
(22:26):
him to be. So he's done a lot of work
and has been very helpful in that field. When it
comes to in.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The houses.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Interesting, I think you yeah, anybody else want to pop up?
I've got some people commenting on YouTube here Nocturnal News. Hello,
my UFO brothers and sisters. What's up Darcy? You guys
(22:59):
playing on the bluetooth. I'll be listening. John Leonard Wilson, Hey,
what's up John? Paul Demon? He says, jet pack and
jellyfish are NHI or ancient advanced civilizations monitoring the airspace
(23:24):
for what don't know. Don't know, Paul, where are they
coming from? Maybe the ocean, maybe from space? We don't know.
Does anybody else want to jump up and speak here?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I think it's it's a little.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You shouldn't jump to these kind of conclusions when it
comes to this thing, you know, with the subject. I
think that's a really bad habit. A lot of people
have they come up with these wild theories, you know.
And I'm not trying to knock anybody, you know, in
saying this.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
But we have to.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Kind of really look at the subject in a realistic
sense and not you know, kind of inject up imagination
into it, because it just, in my opinion, it hurts
the subject a little bit. It just makes it look like,
you know, the people who are into this are really
(24:21):
those crazy coups that they like, you know, make us
out to be. So throwing things like that out there,
in my opinion, is not a good way to approach
the subject.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I would agree is sometimes could be factored as lunacy.
But maybe some of these people are right. Let's see,
we got somebody else requesting here Astral what's up?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Man?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I believe we have a grider up here?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Grider? I'm on desktop, so I can't see the hands
so AUSO. If you can kind of help out, that'd
be great.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
I'm doing my best here. Grider got to the end up.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, go for a Grider.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Hey, thanks Darcy for letting me up. Dave, I had
a question about the jellyfish. Have you considered that it
might be a helkite and are you familiar with that technology.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
I'm not familiar with that technology right now. I can
look it up tonight and kind of make a comparison.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Okay, cool, Yeah, that was That was the conclusion that
I came to, is that that's the only thing that
I could think of basically a helkite. It's a half balloon,
half kite, and it's transparent through IR and that could
explain also, like the strings are the you know, the
tubes that we see within the jellyfish UAP that could
(25:54):
be explained as the wires for the various sensors. Basically,
a helicite is a it's a half like balloon, half kite,
and they use it for surveillance, intelligence, reconnaissance, stuff like that,
and it typically has strings that hang down. Usually it's
about eight feet off the ground. Eight to ten feet
(26:14):
off the ground is where it's tethered typically if it's
doing you know, surveillance, you know, and stuff like that.
So it kind of fits in with what Mike Sinkowski
said during his various interviews.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
And yeah, I mean.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I would just love to know what you thought about
it after you took a look at.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
If you took a look, that's great feedback or analysis.
Actually a writer, I brought up the jellyfish actually because
it is the one that I think out of the
flear footage that is most contentious, Like I could actually
no offense Dave Lean towards it being a party balloon.
(26:53):
Maybe maybe they use the party balloons to turn it
into a helic kite. I don't know, but what do
you think, Dave?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, the only version I have to that is that
the mylar balloons are going to be highly reflective, especially
with that MX twenty. You're going to see you know,
black and white gradients as the balloon would turn, and
then LATEX balloons are going to be almost transparent, fully transparent.
(27:24):
But I'm very interested in the helicite theory now, so
I definitely want to take a look.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
At that and give it some credence.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And you know, it doesn't it sounds like a military
type application to where I wouldn't be able to like
order one on Amazon, but I'd like to actually do
an experiment to you know, to do the best I
can to either confirm or deny.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So it's interesting because I've actually, like I know that
a lot of these things can be explained, you know,
away with our technology or possible you know, secret technology
that you might have. But there's been incidents in the
past with objects that kind of resemble what this looked
like that there wasn't really any real explanation force to
(28:10):
what it might be. Some of these incidents were captured
on security surveillance cameras in very odd locations. One of
them occurred, I believe, somewhere in Mexico, where an object
that had a similar shape or similar look to it
was seen coming down from the sky and approaching to
(28:33):
military security guards and they noticed it stopped and you
could see that it kind of like startled them. They
stared at the object, and you can see the object
then lift, not like float up.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
It looked like it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Had some kind of actual thrust of something moving it up,
and was also captured by two other security cameras in
the area, so there was you know, I mean, if
it's if it's that close to them, they would have
been able to see if there was something you know,
mechanical or something of that nature, but they had no
(29:08):
explanation for what it was. They had no clue what
it was. It just basically baffled them. So there are
incidents with things like that have been seen that really
do not have on the explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Now, how fast was this object reported going?
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I clocked it using Google Earth and the best that
I could with both of the videos, doing about twenty
three miles an hour throughout the entire thing, and it
seemed like it was consistent throughout the entire video. It
was a consistent twenty three miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Maybe we can move on a bit from this subject.
Thanks Grider for you know, jumping up. You're walking to
stay up and offer feedback on other things that we
bring up. But gold is on the stage here, Nick,
why do you say?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Hi, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I just wanted to mention I just googled the helkites.
I don't know they are commercially available. They look like
sort of a more traditional aerostat balloon sort of melded
with a kite literally kind of hanging off the bottom.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
And it's pretty normal looking, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's not as irregular and complex as the thing whatever
the jellyfish UAP video is. So you know, it would
have to have been either damaged and kind of moving
along maybe or disguised in some ways. You know, sometimes
like people do disguise other things that can make them
(30:47):
look really different. It doesn't explain some of the fleer irregularities.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
In that video and stuff like that, but just like
people might have seen like videos of people like putting
like a sheet like a goat to outfit around a
quad copter and like hovering them around people's like windows
and freaking them out, and like, you know, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Look like a quad copter obviously, but it's still is
taking advantage of the aerodynamic properties of the quad copter
and just sort of masking it. So there's always a
chance that it's something that looks more ban now if
we knew what it was, but is being sort of
disguised for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Very interesting. I just want to add, guys, this is
for the KGr A listeners. So this this show is
actually going to be piped out to KGr to their
multiple streaming networks and downloadable on Spotify and all that
stuff tomorrow. And I want to introduce Nick Gold because
(31:47):
I believe in what he's doing. I think he's got
a really powerful platform. He's this like hyper intelligent guy
in the UFO. Let's say UAP community now. So from
his Twitter page, she says, US voters go to declassify
UAP dot org dot org slash action and in less
(32:09):
than thirty seconds, tell your representatives to support government UAP
transparency and the classifications. So Nick's whole thing, he's trying
to fight kind of on Capitol Hill, in a legislation,
in a congressional engagement, you know, whatever party people, We're
(32:36):
all party people, whatever party representatives want to engage with
this subject. That is his his sort of thing. And Nick,
can you kind of like elaborate on that. I'm I'm
dumbing it down here, but you know, please tell us
(32:56):
what you've been doing.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah, I mean, just in a nice shell.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
You know, I've been into UFO since I was a
little kid, which was the eighties, and you know, stuck
with that and over the decades, you know, especially in
the last seven years since the New York Times article
came out that really did change everything. You know, I
was paying attention. I've been part of some new AP
science projects. I was with Galileo Project for a year.
(33:21):
I'm currently an SCU member. And yet one thing I
wasn't really seeing a lot of about a year ago,
even though there was several years of legislation affecting kind
of UAP transparency issues that was put forth and passed,
some of these reports coming out, some offices being created
within DoD.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Despite all that stuff, there.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Weren't really the kind of organizations that you see in
the DC area that cater to every other issue, you know,
everything from the Save the Whales and the Black Lives
Matter to major lobbying firms and nonprofits and environmental groups
and packs and super packs you know, think tanks and
you name it. So I thought, you know, what UAP
(34:05):
Transparency needed was the typical kind of org with a
name that sort of is the cause declassify UAP, and
you know, it should have like an informative web page
that's pretty grounded and doesn't shove scenarios down people's throats,
for like, you have to believe in the issue in
this particular way. It's really grounded, based on official sources
(34:27):
of information. And then it has the action center page
that other issue websites tend to have, where you have
the little form on the side and you can fill
out a few fields, you press a button and then
it sends a message. You know, encouraging UAP transparency and
declassification in certain legislative.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Steps to your own elected officials.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
It's for US voters specifically, and so you know, you're
hitting your congressional rep, your House Rep. You're hitting your
two senators for your state, you're hitting the president and
the Vice president, and you know, then it gives you
a call tool, so you can follow up by calling
their DC office and talking to their staffers and their
aids and start to get into that pattern that many
(35:08):
other issues that have some component that plugs into Washington,
d C and governance have but UAP didn't really have.
And we collaborate closely with uapcaucus dot com, which is
Lester Nare and Ronak Patel. We were actually in DC
last week. We had probably gosh about ten different meetings
with various congressional offices and their staffers on booth, the
(35:31):
Senate and the House side, some of the key offices
that are really associated with this issue, and we met
with some of their senior staffers that seem to be
helping out with this issue and had very productive conversations.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
So there's a little bit of that direct lobbying going
on as well.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
But for that to be effective, we sort of need
the numbers behind us, and so that's why we're trying
to give tools UAP Caucus and declassify UAP that allow
the public to really engage around this topic like it's
a political issue, which means you got to tell your
reps that you care about it and then demonstrate that
you're well educated about it and that you're paying attention
to it, and you sort of have very specific asks
(36:09):
that you're trying to make because we can.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Go and knock on those doors.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
But the only reason we got any attention from those folks,
which we did, we got plugged in with really the
right folks in those offices to be talking to. And
the reason is is because there's a lot of people
behind us making that noise, both through.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Our efforts and other efforts. So that's what we're up to.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
We didn't get the UAP Disclosure Act this year, but
we did get several very important UAP provisions that came
into the Senates version of the NBA bill through the
Intelligence Authorization Act, which kind of got squished into it,
which is pretty typical what's called a Government Accountability Office
review of the Arrow Office, which is pretty atypical.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
For a two year old office.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Indicates that maybe some folks in Congress, you know, don't
have the feeling that Sean Kirkpatrick's arrow was particularly productive
or making good on all of its mandates, which include
to transparency the American people in Congress. There's that further
solidification of making illegal the funding of UAP programs that
(37:09):
aren't being properly brief to Congress. So those kind of
like secret legacy program things, should they exist, you know,
are explicitly called out as having to be briefed to
Congress in the way that other what they call special
access programs are.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
So you know, we are making progress year over year.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
The trend line that each point is kind of taking
the line up into the right.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Which you want to see.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
And every year, if we can keep making incremental progress,
that's really good. And that's kind of what we've been about.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Again.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
We're not trying to cram particular scenarios down people's throats
for you know what, even highly anomalous UAP are indicative of.
Let people come to those conclusions themselves. Let's see what
the actual evidence, you know, gives us. All whole thing
is like, let's see what the government actually thinks, because
they haven't really shared that with us at this point,
and we kind of deserve to know, as the American
(37:59):
people who have been, yeah, fascinated with this topic for
about eighty years now, since literally World War Two, and
you know, it's coming up on a century, which is
sort of ridiculous, and we feel the government kind of,
oh was the public, you know, even what they think
might be going on?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Right, we need the truth, Nick, We need the truth
to ask your question, Nick, Yeah, Nick, give it to him. Mandy.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So I'm just curious and then I'm asking this, you know, Uh,
I guess you could say, realistically, what do you feel
is going to come from the government? I guess approaching
or bringing this information forward to the public, Like, how
(38:45):
exactly do you think the general public or the human
race is going to benefit from the government coming forward
and admitting anything in regards to this topic.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Well, I mean, I'm a believer in government.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I think it's better than they all alternative, which is
either anarchy or rule by war lords or you know,
the billionaire class. And I think, you know, the reason
we have elected government is that it's supposed to be
of the people for the people by the people, and
there's a lot of imperfections there.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
There's obviously a lot of heavy duty.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Financing of our government and elected officials and campaigns. There's
mechanisms to change all of these things. Like they got
worse because certain people got in power and they changed
it and made it worse. We can get other people
in there and make it better. So I do believe
in the power of government to solve problems, but it
has to be closely monitored and has to be filled
(39:36):
with the right people who are operating under the right interests.
My impression is is that there's a lot of people
in government, both on the elected official side as well
as people who like work for God and work for
the intelligence community, who believe that the public deserves more
information on UAP. In fact, I'd almost say it feels
like the weight of those realms is on the side
(39:56):
of being much more open with the American people. And
that's what I walked out of those meetings last week with.
At no point did it feel in those meetings like
anyone we were meeting with was under the impression we
were talking about balloons, Like you know, we're not even.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Trying to cram a scenario down their throat.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
There's plenty of Stephen Greer's and other people out there
who have taken that approach over the years.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
They can do that.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
We're just really asking for the transparency and presenting some
paths and also the deliverables that we're looking for. So
I think these people believe in the cause, a lot
of them, and we're giving them very specific like examples
of the kind of stuff we want to see. On
declassify UAP dot org, there's a section I put together
called the classification targets. It's what I thought represented actually
(40:47):
lower hanging fruit, stuff that doesn't involve like any legacy
programs necessarily. It's stuff that's kind of at the level
of the more you know, normal activities of the intelligence
community and the DD and even civili in agencies and
their contractors, and it's stuff like clearer videos, clearer media,
some characterizations of data, even if you're not giving us
(41:09):
radar tapes, like can you characterize what your radar showed
the tic TAC doing and describe it at least? What
are the intelligence assessments? I actually have a Foyer request
with Office of Director of National Intelligence now and they
actually told me that these intelligence assessments on what they
feel the nature and origin of UAP might be all
(41:29):
possibilities at all confidence levels, is something that they're actually
going to be sending over to the National Archives within
the next month as part of the requirement from last
year's NDAA bill. They said it explicit to me. Explicitly,
they said, those intelligence assessments are part of the document
collection we're now putting together, and it will be transferred
to the National Archives. So you know, maybe there's something
(41:50):
juicy that they think is in a set of possibilities,
and maybe they'll give it to us. So I think
it's good when the government starts to give us information
that matches the reality that people have been observing for
eighty years, because when we have our authorities telling us
a story that doesn't match reality, to my mind, it
really creates a lot of problems, including a lot of
(42:11):
distrust in government, in our institutions and our elected officials
and our non elected officials. And we should have faith
in these things, and we should have faith that they
can work for us. And when it's telling us like oh,
and by the way, I mean, there's that line from
nineteen eighty four, how many fingers, am I holding up Winston?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
No, it's five, not four, like whatever.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
It's like it's a mismatch between reality and what we're
told the official version of reality is. And that's not
a healthy scenario. And I do think that we're going
to see more and more over the coming years, especially
if the public keeps putting on pressure. My gut tells
me that the trend line indicates, especially with a new
(42:52):
director of Arrow, that we're all kind of hearing some
potentially positive things about We might even get more between
now and the end of the year, even though the
UAP Disclosure Act didn't pass. I have a feeling we
might get some more interesting tidbits.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
We'll see, Yeah, who knows, Who knows. Maybe it'll be
more of the same, maybe it'll be something cool. But
you know, with you round, you keep pushing it forward.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Man. But well, it's a group effort. I have to say.
I'm like the least among us.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
The founder of uapcucus dot com. He was just on
weaponized with Corbel and NAP. I recommend people watch that.
He is literally the most articulate person I think the
UAP movement has on our side, and he's brilliant. I
got to, you know, finally meet him in person after
a year of collaborating as well as Ronak from uapcaucus
dot com also exceptionally articulate. They're very professional. They were
(43:46):
very great in these meetings face to face with these reps.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
They went over very well. We have folks like them.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
We have folks like doctor Keith Taylor, who is a
lifelong you know, law enforcement official. He really represents first
responders because they're often getting calls from the public about
I saw something or you know, I had a strange
experience or I'm having a problem because of something that
occurred relating to this topic, and you know, they don't have,
(44:13):
you know, really a set of resources to follow when
the public has these types of scenarios unfold. So we
have people like him, and there's frankly, dozens and dozens
of others that are part of this movement, if not hundreds,
if not thousands, and frankly including everyone who reaches out
to their elected officials, because it's really about creating a
movement like, yeah, there's going to be some people who
(44:34):
interface more. I live in Baltimore, so it's very easy
to get to DC and I can kind of be
in person to a certain degree, but without the numbers
and without the movement, it doesn't amount to anything.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So true, But hey, one of your last points about
trying to change legislations so that any illegal UAP program
like there can't what was that last line.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
So it's basically like and this was actually part of
last year's legislation, and they have to renew it every year,
and it looks like it's getting renewed this year. It's
you know, we talk about this legacy program or like
you know, many decade old you know, sketchy UFO program
or programs that might not be managed quite properly, might
not be getting funded quite properly, and certainly don't seem
(45:23):
like the people in Congress who are supposed to really
have access to even the most most most classified information.
This is the members of the so called Gang of Eight,
the top people both in the two people on the
Republican Democrat side of both the House and the Senate,
as well as the top Democrat and Republican on the
House Intelligence committees and the Senate Intel Committee. And so
(45:46):
that those eight individuals are really supposed to be like
read into everything if they want to be, and it
seems like those people have not been read in on
some of these legacy programs. Potentially, at least these are
the allegations that are being made by some very credible
individuals like Rush. So this law basically makes it whether
or not they have a direct obvious enforcement mechanism, at
(46:09):
least like makes it so those programs and they're being
funded through potentially sketchy means that violate what's called the
Federal Acquisition Regulation, which is, you know, the laws that
kind of dictate how contractors have to work with the
federal government. It makes it illegal for those potential contractors
(46:29):
to receive any funding whatsoever relating to UAP programs from
the government, either through contracts or through what are called
irad's independent research and development efforts.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Contractors like Lockheed Martin nor through Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, like, you know, we sell the government stuff and
there's a contract and we're supposed to follow certain regulations
for how that happens. I mean, I've sold contracts to
the government. So you know, that law is important because
at least it provides leverage and Congress can say we're
going to keep digging. I think they have leads on
where some of these programs are buried probably and who's
(47:04):
involved with them from a contracting perspective as well as
a department perspective. And they now have that power of
the law behind them that says, if you're doing this
hanky panky, it's against the law.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
And that's that means something.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
It means that there's potentially corrective mechanisms if they do
uncover those programs.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
So that's that's useful.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Be careful there, man, I don't want you to get
whacked by Lockey.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
I mean, you know, I've It's funny, and I think
this is an important part of my approach, Like hello, Bowing.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
You know, here's the thing, Darcy, Like, I don't think
of those types of organizations as enemies. Frankly, I've done
business with them. I've done business with federal agencies. I've
done business with DoD and the IC. I've met lots
of people and spent years, you know, helping some of
them solve technical problems of the vein that my career
was oriented around, which is media management technology.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
And it's all just normal in human beings.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Like there's a lot of really good people in those realms,
a lot of patriots. I think this issue got screwed
up a really long time ago, probably as far back
as the forties and fifties, and a lot of those
people are dead, like they're not running it anymore. But
these feedback loops have occurred, and so institutions have been
built over decades around treating this topic in a particular way.
(48:24):
I think a lot of those organizations are ready to
let go some of the recent word is I have
no privileged information on this, but it's like, apparently Lockheed
actually potentially supported the idea of more properly transitioning some
stuff they might have in their possession to a more
properly managed contract instead of programs. Part of that is
(48:46):
what both asapp and then later the proposed ConA Blue
program related to and.
Speaker 6 (48:52):
Apparently like Lockheed.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
This is again the word on the street, but I
think George Knapp was even talking about it on that
last Weaponize Like it wasn't actually Lockheed who put a
damper on that. It might have been coming from the
government or some other quarters. So I think we have
to create the space for change to occur, and that
(49:14):
means for me anyway, taking more of an approach of
trying to kind of create a truth and reconciliation process
around the UAP topic, and it's multi decade cover up
versus looking for enemies and looking for villains. I mean,
if justice needs to be served in a few cases,
there's always like the ceremonial heads that role, and that's
(49:36):
probably well and good. If some sketchy things have happened
and we saw you know, David Grush in real time
get smeared, probably from a leak that came out of
the IC, So.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
That's bad and someone needs to pay a price for that.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
But overall, I don't know if we can really look
for villains for something that's been treated a certain way
for three quarters of a century. We just the win
moving beyond it and getting to a new phase where
we have openness to at least a reasonable degree around
the topic and science can really start to dig into
it and things like that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Dude, I'm so glad you came up and spoke. Every
time you speak, it's an intellectual conversation and that's the
way I want my space is to be. Now I'm
gonna switch gears to another non privileged information like topic.
I have spoken with Pabel. Seems like the nicest guy.
(50:30):
He's here tonight. I uh, he's been filling me in
a little bit on this object that's approaching Earth. You know,
I've gotten some flack about posting about it. I don't know, guys, Like,
if you look at the basic calculations, if this object
is ten light years away, that is, if you're traveling
(50:56):
at the speed of light, which is incredibly fast, that's
thirty six point five earth years away. So I don't
know how this thing is going to make it here
by twenty what's the prediction twenty twenty seven. That's the
Ramirors thing. You know, everybody's posting these old like space
(51:17):
discoveries of possibly finding life back in twenty twenty three
on another planet. People are saying that James Webb is
holding back the only thing that I could, Like, I
just don't know if I believe it. But how fast
(51:41):
is this thing traveling? Again? Thirty six point five human
years if it was to travel at the speed of
light from where it is ten years ten light years
away now, and on top of that, it's going to
need to I mean, I just there's this all these
(52:03):
questions about it. What do you guys think I'm gonna
throw this around to the panel astral as ap. We
got in a request here, who's this? This is Pabo Okay,
he's popping up. Let's hear from pabl.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Hey, how's everyone doing.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
We're good man, welcome, people are g r A are
gonna hear you. So please articulate this story as best
as possible, my friend.
Speaker 11 (52:33):
Yeah, I just want to preface this by saying that
on my full video, it was taken out of context
a lot of what I said, because there was a
clipping of one of the videos where it appears as if.
Speaker 12 (52:48):
I am saying that this is gonna happen, or that
this is real. And all I was doing was reporting
on information I have.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
About it.
Speaker 12 (52:57):
But I don't necessarily believe it's true. I just decided
to report on it because I was told that this
was being told to people within Congress, and that's the
reason I recorded it. I don't I don't necessarily think
it's true, to be honest with you, but it's.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Being disgusting Congress, which is what you've heard, which is
that's huge. That's what if it's true. If it's true, right,
and I've put for people if they want to see
who Pavel is. I got his Twitter page open. Here
he goes by sicco Activo pod. I think sicco Activo
on YouTube. Go check out his videos. Cool guy, you know,
(53:40):
seems normal, But yeah, it's interesting. You've gotten some information
supposedly from a congress member or.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
No.
Speaker 12 (53:54):
My source has a lot of different connections. And I
decided to run this because we were both kind of
confused to why this is happening. And he's in a
position to know that this something like this will be happening.
That's why I felt confident. But it's not a congress
person per se. It's someone who deals with them constantly.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Okay, I see Nick's hand is up, Nick, if you
can make it. Actually, you know what, I've actually got
a for the stream that's online for people that are
watching the video and for KGr. I got to close
out that part of the show, but I'm going to
keep open the space. So I'm just gonna play the outro,
(54:41):
hold on for forty second, folks, and will be good
to continue the conversation everybody. There's going to be an
after show for subscribers on KGr if you want to
go subscribe and listen to the rest of this conversation
that'll be up there. Thanks so much for checking this out.
(55:04):
This is our debut show, Andy and I and all
the folks on UFO Twitter,
All right, that's uh, that's the intro to my show
with Andy Mercyell. I'm gonna pipe in everybody now from
X and we'll get the check going. Where is it?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Where's X?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh that's weird. Give me a seck clothes that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I can't have a debut without technical difficulties.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can't, can't.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We just I was at the serial meeting Sunday night,
and that's Yvonne's abductee group and we just called it them.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
We're having all kinds of technical problems.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
We just called it them.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
M h damn. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be right
to fight in this. Then we're oh, maybe that's why. Okay,
give me a seck. There we go. All right, everybody
(01:52):
on the intrawebs and kg r A. I am currently
live on on Twitter spaces. So for the future, if
people want to interact with the X crowd that's live
with us tonight, they can head over there. I'm gonna
(02:13):
start basically having people speak from UFO Twitter. You can
see them up on the screen there. And I wanted
to Hey Dallas from Facebook, good to hear from you.
I wanted to bring up Dale Pastor Dale my buddy
(02:34):
online right now to tell a story, just something positive
for the community because we got a lot of negativity
going on. Go for it, tail.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Thank you Darcy.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
It's good being here.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's good to see all you guys are to join
you anyway on this great UFO Twitter week.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I love the name Darcy. By the way UFO Treehouse.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't think he could have done better than that.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Well, I want to.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
My goal is to bring words of hope, wisdom and inspiration.
And so let me start by asking this question, what's
the difference between hope and hopelessness? What's the difference between
hope and hopelessness? Well, sometimes it can be who you
listen to, and so be careful who you listen to.
(03:24):
For example, when my oldest daughter turned about twelve years old,
we knew something was going on and we weren't sure
what it was. But you know, junior high that's a
tough time for all teenagers or kids going in. So
it was about time she was going into junior high.
And we ended up going to having a statecase worker
(03:46):
evaluate because we knew something was going on, and she
diagnosed her preliminary anyway with autism, and so she recommended
that we go to the CDRC and Eugene, which is
the place you go and get officially diagnosed for autism.
And so about two weeks later we took her there,
(04:08):
and I'll never forget. After the testing was over, one
of the doctors came up to me and he told me,
he said, you need to start saving as much money
as you can, because your daughter is going to be
disabled the rest of her life and not be able
to take care of herself. And as you can imagine,
as a parent, man.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I was floored.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
But I refused to accept that diagnosis, and so I
started trying to encourage my daughter that she could be
whoever she wanted to be. But the words of that
doctor had kind of sank into her head, and she
was telling me that she was going to be disabled
the rest of her life. And she even in fact
asked me to quit trying to encourage her because she
(04:56):
said that if it doesn't happen, I'm going to be devastated.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
But I persisted.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now, in junior high, she had a terrible time back
seventh grade nearly killed her, and so I took her
out of the junior high and I put her in
a Christian School, and she couldn't do that. Then I
tried Connections Academy, which is an online school, and she
couldn't do that, and so Christian School was about a
month online Connections Academy was about a week school. And
(05:26):
then I decided in desperation to put her back in
the junior high And the friday I put her back in,
they had a three hour lockdown because of some threats,
and you can imagine what that did to her, and
so we pulled her out. It was looking pretty hopeless,
but they went ahead and sent us the papers to
put her in high school, and we went ahead and
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put her in, and it turned out that was one
of the best decisions we made, because the high school
was much more prepared to be able to give her
an environment that she could learn in.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
In fact, the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
That me away was that she went literally from seventh
grade to ninth grade and got all a's, And so
by the time she got the first year done, the
freshman year done, she started to believe, hey, maybe I
can graduate from high school, maybe I can have a life.
(06:20):
And by the time she graduated from high school, she
got like a three point nine to four GPA. She
was top ten percent in her class, and that last
year or two she started going, you know what, Dad,
I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go
to college. And today she's over at Oregon State University.
(06:40):
She's in her third year and she's working on a PhD.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Holy snap.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So be careful who you listen to now. I tell
this story to inspire you, to give you hope. See,
there are all kinds of voices that are that are
telling us we can't. Maybe one of those voices it's
coming from you. Let me tell you something. I don't
care where the voice is coming from. If it's making
(07:07):
you feel hopeless, then then that's the voice or the
voices that you shouldn't be listening to.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I went over and.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Visited with Yvonne Smith this weekend, and I had a
lot of doubts about something, and I kept telling myself,
I can and I will.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
And so let me just encourage you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
If you've got those negative voices around you, if people
keep telling you you can't, you tell them you can,
and you start saying that mantra, I can and I will.
And so let me let me close this little saying
with what I began with be careful who you listen to.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I really I couldn't agree with you more there. Dale
really impressed with that, those words of motivation and your
daughter's backstory. I mean, I will add that my whole life.
And I'm pretty sure a lot of people in this group,
this space tonight would would share the same sort of experiences.
(08:11):
I've had. Relatives, my family members tell me I can't succeed,
I can't do this, can't do that. I've had trolls online,
you know, say I've got the shittiest films on the
planet Earth, and blah blah blah. I've worked with people
in the industry and they, you know, look down on me,
(08:33):
and I just keep coming up, so, you know. And
funny enough, when I was in high school, my world
history teacher, who I actually like adored. He was super funny,
(08:53):
super personable, had like really interesting views, you know, told
it the way it was, which which is you know,
how I try to do my documentaries. I try to
just straight facts if I can, right, And he said,
you know, Darcy, you're probably not going to go to university.
(09:16):
You're You're at best going to make it in community college.
And I'm like, wow, it crushed me when he's when
he said that in front of a whole or like classroom,
and I was like, I think I said like fuck you,
buddy or something like that at the back of the
class and he was cool about it. But you know,
(09:41):
fast forward, I went to a technical film school and
I did like a technical diploma, and I did go
to university and I graduated with bachelors. You know, I'm
not a rocket scientist. But I ran into him somehow,
(10:03):
like walking around my old neighborhood after all of that,
and just I said to him like, hey, man, I've
got a degree, I'm working in my field, blah blah blah.
And he was like really, And I could just see
the look on his face. He fucking felt really bad
that he embarrassed me like that. And I think even
(10:27):
in this community, people try to embarrass each other and
take each other down instead of prop each other up,
because they actually get like a dopamine hit off of that.
They're addicted to either calling bs on other people or
taking other people down, and that dopamine hit, you know,
(10:53):
is what they live off of. It's not a healthy
way to live. For like maybe Dale or I or
some other people but they still do it and it's
a very I think it's a reckless way to live,
and it ends up really affecting our reality around us negatively,
(11:18):
because if you believe in consciousness affecting matter for example,
or our reality, that negativity is just like it's BS
and I don't like it, but sometimes you do have
the call BS on stuff. I totally agree with that too. Dale,
(11:40):
thank you so much for speaking. You're welcome to stick
around as a speaker. Maybe mute your mic so I
can introduce some other people here and thank you. Man
appreciate it. Dave is here, Dave Fulch. I'm gonna introduce
you real quick. So and just before that, I've got
(12:04):
trans medium UFO. Who's my buddy Andy, Andy Marciel. He's
helped me make the most recent documentary where we traveled
to Puerto Rico. Great guy. I could call him a
close friend at this point. And you know, he's a
(12:26):
Puerto Rican native. He's an experiencer. He's seen UFOs with
his very own eyes at a young age in Puerto Rico.
And he convinced me that we had to sort of
cover the Puerto Rican beat, sort of look into the
the history and mystery of UFOs over there. And because
(12:50):
of his inspiration, you know, I ended ended up reaching
out to Jorge Martin, who's like an og journalist living
in Puerto Rico. He's been doing it for four decades,
and yeah, I just got to say, man, thanks Andy
(13:11):
for your contribution to the film and to my life really,
because you helped me grow as a filmmaker by being
a part of this story. So everybody say hi to Andy. Andy,
say hi to the crowd.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Hi guys, and thank you Darcy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's good, my.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Pleasure, great man awesome. So people may not have seen
my recent film, it's recently out. I just completed some interviews.
I did one with Richard Dolan. I did another one
today with Matt Ford. So gradually people will hear a
(13:55):
bit more about that adventure that Andy and I took
part in on the island. But you know, it essentially
started off by us reaching out to this journalist. He
said he could plug us into some to speak with
some people that are in Puerto Rico who are experiencers.
(14:18):
And essentially, as soon as I realized that we could
get an in person interview with the CBP agent who
was responsible for leaking the Department of Homeland Securities Aguadilla
twenty thirteen UAP footage. We were like stoked to go
(14:42):
and do this, so we flew out there. We interviewed him,
we interviewed a bunch of other Puerto Rican natives who've
you know, seen the phenomenon, and got back from that
edited the whole documentary together. It's been released now. Dave
(15:07):
Fultch was part of this journey because he actually did
a If you're looking at Dave Fulch's Twitter page, he's
actually a fleer, a forward looking infrared camera repair guy.
He's been doing it professionally for a number of years
(15:27):
for a company that services the type of cameras that
the CBP planes have, and a whole bunch of other
different parts of industry. And he originally actually did work
with Mick West. Mick really wanted Dave to be a
tool to debunk flear footage that actually showed authentic UAPs,
(15:53):
and when he kind of said, no, I'm not down
with debunking this because it seems be authentic, seems to
be real, they had a falling out. But Dave, why
don't you introduce yourself and you can unmute your there
you go.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Hey everybody, how are we doing tonight?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Good?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So, yeah, that was a good introduction Darcy's. It did
start off like that with Micwest, where it was kind
of cordial in the beginning, and then a lot of
people would kind of reach out to me on instant
message or the direct message and say, hey, you might
want to watch out for this guy because he's got
(16:41):
ulterior motives and I should have listened to him, but
I just kind.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Of went on my own little way, and.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He started to use the videos that I was giving
him to his advantage to debunk when I was actually
just saying, hey, look, it's kind of an anomaly. So
that's where I deviated from his confirmation bias and decided
to come up with my own certain conclusions.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's crazy. Yeah, So I brought up Assop Rocky here.
A lot of people may know him. He's a good
buddy of mine too. I really appreciate his contributions to
the community and the way he looks at the phenomenon
and analyzes the sort of ESP slash, let's say, like
(17:36):
social system side of things. We have a lot of
the same ideas, which is pretty cool. Everybody say hi
to him. Dave, what's going on with the jellyfish footage?
What do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Are you talking to me? Yeah, Dave, Okay, I'm just confirming. Well,
at first I thought it was like some kind of
crack and the detector or some kind of anomaly, But
the more I watched the video, it seemed to be
an object that is traversing through that particular area. And
(18:16):
it's not anythingthing that I've ever seen before, and it
does kind of it almost kind of masks itself with
the way the pixels go from hot to black. It's
something I really haven't seen. That's why kind of it
came to the conclusion that might be some kind of
DARPA project. But I'm you know, reaching on that one.
(18:39):
I really have no idea. It's not anything that I've seen,
and that was taken from probably west Cam MX twenty
that was tethered from a balloon over there in that region.
I believe that was like what was an Afghanistan or.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Something like that rack or something.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, over there.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You don't think it was like I made a video
on YouTube? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. People check out his YouTube.
What's your YouTube channel called.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't know if it's actually got a name.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I just always it's just Dayfault. Yeah yeah, it's day Fault.
Yeah yeah. So he's got some pretty cool analysis up there.
He shows literally what the and even if you click
on his Twitter page you could see a Flear photo
(19:36):
that I think is still from one of these MX
twenty or m X fifteen systems. Am I assuming that right?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's a different system. It's a Flear system opposed to
west Ham, but it's of what is that an F
thirty five lightning or something.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
I believe that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And so it shows clearly what the jet stream of
a jet, of a fighter jet would look like in Flear.
That's one of the points of contention that Mick West
has about the tic TAC footage. He thinks it's just
either a normally, which he's had that debate with Marrek.
(20:15):
He thinks it's either a normally in the actual camera technology,
or it's like a distant fighter jet and you're looking
at the jet stream behind it, which it wouldn't look
like the TICTAC. But you know, on Dave's channel you
(20:35):
can also see quite clearly what a mylar balloon looks
like moving in that kind of fleer technology, what a
latex balloon looks like, what a drone would look like,
what a bird would look like. I think you have
a bird in some of your shots, don't you.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I believe so, probably on the UFO, the one that
I caught.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Think I had a comparison.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he actually has
his own experience capturing a UAP while he was at
work with one of these Flear systems that was not
visible to the human eye, not visible in the light
spectrum of a camera that was shooting in the sky
at the same time, the light spectrums that the human
(21:25):
eye should see in, but it was visible in the
Flear spectrum. Just pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
What I was going to I wanted to add this
to that regards to Dave is it was because of
Dave's experiments that he did with different objects that the
SCU was able to ultimately confirm what the footage he
analyzed the rubber duck, the DHS videos basically assisted and
(22:00):
led to the conclusion that the objects were authentic and
you know, unknown.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So he's gone out of his way to create experiments
with all different types of objects to show exactly what
they look like through flear so that way you can
see the differences and understand what it is that you're
looking at and that it doesn't match. And there's nowhere
near any of these other objects that people are claiming
(22:26):
him to be. So he's done a lot of work
and has been very helpful in that field. When it
comes to in.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The houses.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Interesting, I think you yeah, anybody else want to pop up?
I've got some people commenting on YouTube here Nocturnal News. Hello,
my UFO brothers and sisters. What's up Darcy? You guys
(22:59):
playing on the bluetooth. I'll be listening. John Leonard Wilson, Hey,
what's up John? Paul Demon? He says, jet pack and
jellyfish are NHI or ancient advanced civilizations monitoring the airspace
(23:24):
for what don't know. Don't know, Paul, where are they
coming from? Maybe the ocean, maybe from space? We don't know.
Does anybody else want to jump up and speak here?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I think it's it's a little.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You shouldn't jump to these kind of conclusions when it
comes to this thing, you know, with the subject. I
think that's a really bad habit. A lot of people
have they come up with these wild theories, you know.
And I'm not trying to knock anybody, you know, in
saying this.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
But we have to.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Kind of really look at the subject in a realistic
sense and not you know, kind of inject up imagination
into it, because it just, in my opinion, it hurts
the subject a little bit. It just makes it look like,
you know, the people who are into this are really
(24:21):
those crazy coups that they like, you know, make us
out to be. So throwing things like that out there,
in my opinion, is not a good way to approach
the subject.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I would agree is sometimes could be factored as lunacy.
But maybe some of these people are right. Let's see,
we got somebody else requesting here Astral what's up?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Man?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I believe we have a grider up here?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Grider? I'm on desktop, so I can't see the hands
so AUSO. If you can kind of help out, that'd
be great.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
I'm doing my best here. Grider got to the end up.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, go for a Grider.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Hey, thanks Darcy for letting me up. Dave, I had
a question about the jellyfish. Have you considered that it
might be a helkite and are you familiar with that technology.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
I'm not familiar with that technology right now. I can
look it up tonight and kind of make a comparison.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Okay, cool, Yeah, that was That was the conclusion that
I came to, is that that's the only thing that
I could think of basically a helkite. It's a half balloon,
half kite, and it's transparent through IR and that could
explain also, like the strings are the you know, the
tubes that we see within the jellyfish UAP that could
(25:54):
be explained as the wires for the various sensors. Basically,
a helicite is a it's a half like balloon, half kite,
and they use it for surveillance, intelligence, reconnaissance, stuff like that,
and it typically has strings that hang down. Usually it's
about eight feet off the ground. Eight to ten feet
(26:14):
off the ground is where it's tethered typically if it's
doing you know, surveillance, you know, and stuff like that.
So it kind of fits in with what Mike Sinkowski
said during his various interviews.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
And yeah, I mean.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I would just love to know what you thought about
it after you took a look at.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
If you took a look, that's great feedback or analysis.
Actually a writer, I brought up the jellyfish actually because
it is the one that I think out of the
flear footage that is most contentious, Like I could actually
no offense Dave Lean towards it being a party balloon.
(26:53):
Maybe maybe they use the party balloons to turn it
into a helic kite. I don't know, but what do
you think, Dave?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, the only version I have to that is that
the mylar balloons are going to be highly reflective, especially
with that MX twenty. You're going to see you know,
black and white gradients as the balloon would turn, and
then LATEX balloons are going to be almost transparent, fully transparent.
(27:24):
But I'm very interested in the helicite theory now, so
I definitely want to take a look.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
At that and give it some credence.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And you know, it doesn't it sounds like a military
type application to where I wouldn't be able to like
order one on Amazon, but I'd like to actually do
an experiment to you know, to do the best I
can to either confirm or deny.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So it's interesting because I've actually, like I know that
a lot of these things can be explained, you know,
away with our technology or possible you know, secret technology
that you might have. But there's been incidents in the
past with objects that kind of resemble what this looked
like that there wasn't really any real explanation force to
(28:10):
what it might be. Some of these incidents were captured
on security surveillance cameras in very odd locations. One of
them occurred, I believe, somewhere in Mexico, where an object
that had a similar shape or similar look to it
was seen coming down from the sky and approaching to
(28:33):
military security guards and they noticed it stopped and you
could see that it kind of like startled them. They
stared at the object, and you can see the object
then lift, not like float up.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
It looked like it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Had some kind of actual thrust of something moving it up,
and was also captured by two other security cameras in
the area, so there was you know, I mean, if
it's if it's that close to them, they would have
been able to see if there was something you know,
mechanical or something of that nature, but they had no
(29:08):
explanation for what it was. They had no clue what
it was. It just basically baffled them. So there are
incidents with things like that have been seen that really
do not have on the explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Now, how fast was this object reported going?
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I clocked it using Google Earth and the best that
I could with both of the videos, doing about twenty
three miles an hour throughout the entire thing, and it
seemed like it was consistent throughout the entire video. It
was a consistent twenty three miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Maybe we can move on a bit from this subject.
Thanks Grider for you know, jumping up. You're walking to
stay up and offer feedback on other things that we
bring up. But gold is on the stage here, Nick,
why do you say?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Hi, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I just wanted to mention I just googled the helkites.
I don't know they are commercially available. They look like
sort of a more traditional aerostat balloon sort of melded
with a kite literally kind of hanging off the bottom.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
And it's pretty normal looking, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's not as irregular and complex as the thing whatever
the jellyfish UAP video is. So you know, it would
have to have been either damaged and kind of moving
along maybe or disguised in some ways. You know, sometimes
like people do disguise other things that can make them
(30:47):
look really different. It doesn't explain some of the fleer irregularities.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
In that video and stuff like that, but just like
people might have seen like videos of people like putting
like a sheet like a goat to outfit around a
quad copter and like hovering them around people's like windows
and freaking them out, and like, you know, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Look like a quad copter obviously, but it's still is
taking advantage of the aerodynamic properties of the quad copter
and just sort of masking it. So there's always a
chance that it's something that looks more ban now if
we knew what it was, but is being sort of
disguised for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Very interesting. I just want to add, guys, this is
for the KGr A listeners. So this this show is
actually going to be piped out to KGr to their
multiple streaming networks and downloadable on Spotify and all that
stuff tomorrow. And I want to introduce Nick Gold because
(31:47):
I believe in what he's doing. I think he's got
a really powerful platform. He's this like hyper intelligent guy
in the UFO. Let's say UAP community now. So from
his Twitter page, she says, US voters go to declassify
UAP dot org dot org slash action and in less
(32:09):
than thirty seconds, tell your representatives to support government UAP
transparency and the classifications. So Nick's whole thing, he's trying
to fight kind of on Capitol Hill, in a legislation,
in a congressional engagement, you know, whatever party people, We're
(32:36):
all party people, whatever party representatives want to engage with
this subject. That is his his sort of thing. And Nick,
can you kind of like elaborate on that. I'm I'm
dumbing it down here, but you know, please tell us
(32:56):
what you've been doing.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah, I mean, just in a nice shell.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
You know, I've been into UFO since I was a
little kid, which was the eighties, and you know, stuck
with that and over the decades, you know, especially in
the last seven years since the New York Times article
came out that really did change everything. You know, I
was paying attention. I've been part of some new AP
science projects. I was with Galileo Project for a year.
(33:21):
I'm currently an SCU member. And yet one thing I
wasn't really seeing a lot of about a year ago,
even though there was several years of legislation affecting kind
of UAP transparency issues that was put forth and passed,
some of these reports coming out, some offices being created
within DoD.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Despite all that stuff, there.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Weren't really the kind of organizations that you see in
the DC area that cater to every other issue, you know,
everything from the Save the Whales and the Black Lives
Matter to major lobbying firms and nonprofits and environmental groups
and packs and super packs you know, think tanks and
you name it. So I thought, you know, what UAP
(34:05):
Transparency needed was the typical kind of org with a
name that sort of is the cause declassify UAP, and
you know, it should have like an informative web page
that's pretty grounded and doesn't shove scenarios down people's throats,
for like, you have to believe in the issue in
this particular way. It's really grounded, based on official sources
(34:27):
of information. And then it has the action center page
that other issue websites tend to have, where you have
the little form on the side and you can fill
out a few fields, you press a button and then
it sends a message. You know, encouraging UAP transparency and
declassification in certain legislative.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Steps to your own elected officials.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
It's for US voters specifically, and so you know, you're
hitting your congressional rep, your House Rep. You're hitting your
two senators for your state, you're hitting the president and
the Vice president, and you know, then it gives you
a call tool, so you can follow up by calling
their DC office and talking to their staffers and their
aids and start to get into that pattern that many
(35:08):
other issues that have some component that plugs into Washington,
d C and governance have but UAP didn't really have.
And we collaborate closely with uapcaucus dot com, which is
Lester Nare and Ronak Patel. We were actually in DC
last week. We had probably gosh about ten different meetings
with various congressional offices and their staffers on booth, the
(35:31):
Senate and the House side, some of the key offices
that are really associated with this issue, and we met
with some of their senior staffers that seem to be
helping out with this issue and had very productive conversations.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
So there's a little bit of that direct lobbying going
on as well.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
But for that to be effective, we sort of need
the numbers behind us, and so that's why we're trying
to give tools UAP Caucus and declassify UAP that allow
the public to really engage around this topic like it's
a political issue, which means you got to tell your
reps that you care about it and then demonstrate that
you're well educated about it and that you're paying attention
to it, and you sort of have very specific asks
(36:09):
that you're trying to make because we can.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Go and knock on those doors.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
But the only reason we got any attention from those folks,
which we did, we got plugged in with really the
right folks in those offices to be talking to. And
the reason is is because there's a lot of people
behind us making that noise, both through.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Our efforts and other efforts. So that's what we're up to.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
We didn't get the UAP Disclosure Act this year, but
we did get several very important UAP provisions that came
into the Senates version of the NBA bill through the
Intelligence Authorization Act, which kind of got squished into it,
which is pretty typical what's called a Government Accountability Office
review of the Arrow Office, which is pretty atypical.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
For a two year old office.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Indicates that maybe some folks in Congress, you know, don't
have the feeling that Sean Kirkpatrick's arrow was particularly productive
or making good on all of its mandates, which include
to transparency the American people in Congress. There's that further
solidification of making illegal the funding of UAP programs that
(37:09):
aren't being properly brief to Congress. So those kind of
like secret legacy program things, should they exist, you know,
are explicitly called out as having to be briefed to
Congress in the way that other what they call special
access programs are.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
So you know, we are making progress year over year.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
The trend line that each point is kind of taking
the line up into the right.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Which you want to see.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
And every year, if we can keep making incremental progress,
that's really good. And that's kind of what we've been about.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Again.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
We're not trying to cram particular scenarios down people's throats
for you know what, even highly anomalous UAP are indicative of.
Let people come to those conclusions themselves. Let's see what
the actual evidence, you know, gives us. All whole thing
is like, let's see what the government actually thinks, because
they haven't really shared that with us at this point,
and we kind of deserve to know, as the American
(37:59):
people who have been, yeah, fascinated with this topic for
about eighty years now, since literally World War Two, and
you know, it's coming up on a century, which is
sort of ridiculous, and we feel the government kind of,
oh was the public, you know, even what they think
might be going on?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Right, we need the truth, Nick, We need the truth
to ask your question, Nick, Yeah, Nick, give it to him. Mandy.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So I'm just curious and then I'm asking this, you know, Uh,
I guess you could say, realistically, what do you feel
is going to come from the government? I guess approaching
or bringing this information forward to the public, Like, how
(38:45):
exactly do you think the general public or the human
race is going to benefit from the government coming forward
and admitting anything in regards to this topic.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Well, I mean, I'm a believer in government.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I think it's better than they all alternative, which is
either anarchy or rule by war lords or you know,
the billionaire class. And I think, you know, the reason
we have elected government is that it's supposed to be
of the people for the people by the people, and
there's a lot of imperfections there.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
There's obviously a lot of heavy duty.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Financing of our government and elected officials and campaigns. There's
mechanisms to change all of these things. Like they got
worse because certain people got in power and they changed
it and made it worse. We can get other people
in there and make it better. So I do believe
in the power of government to solve problems, but it
has to be closely monitored and has to be filled
(39:36):
with the right people who are operating under the right interests.
My impression is is that there's a lot of people
in government, both on the elected official side as well
as people who like work for God and work for
the intelligence community, who believe that the public deserves more
information on UAP. In fact, I'd almost say it feels
like the weight of those realms is on the side
(39:56):
of being much more open with the American people. And
that's what I walked out of those meetings last week with.
At no point did it feel in those meetings like
anyone we were meeting with was under the impression we
were talking about balloons, Like you know, we're not even.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Trying to cram a scenario down their throat.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
There's plenty of Stephen Greer's and other people out there
who have taken that approach over the years.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
They can do that.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
We're just really asking for the transparency and presenting some
paths and also the deliverables that we're looking for. So
I think these people believe in the cause, a lot
of them, and we're giving them very specific like examples
of the kind of stuff we want to see. On
declassify UAP dot org, there's a section I put together
called the classification targets. It's what I thought represented actually
(40:47):
lower hanging fruit, stuff that doesn't involve like any legacy
programs necessarily. It's stuff that's kind of at the level
of the more you know, normal activities of the intelligence
community and the DD and even civili in agencies and
their contractors, and it's stuff like clearer videos, clearer media,
some characterizations of data, even if you're not giving us
(41:09):
radar tapes, like can you characterize what your radar showed
the tic TAC doing and describe it at least? What
are the intelligence assessments? I actually have a Foyer request
with Office of Director of National Intelligence now and they
actually told me that these intelligence assessments on what they
feel the nature and origin of UAP might be all
(41:29):
possibilities at all confidence levels, is something that they're actually
going to be sending over to the National Archives within
the next month as part of the requirement from last
year's NDAA bill. They said it explicit to me. Explicitly,
they said, those intelligence assessments are part of the document
collection we're now putting together, and it will be transferred
to the National Archives. So you know, maybe there's something
(41:50):
juicy that they think is in a set of possibilities,
and maybe they'll give it to us. So I think
it's good when the government starts to give us information
that matches the reality that people have been observing for
eighty years, because when we have our authorities telling us
a story that doesn't match reality, to my mind, it
really creates a lot of problems, including a lot of
(42:11):
distrust in government, in our institutions and our elected officials
and our non elected officials. And we should have faith
in these things, and we should have faith that they
can work for us. And when it's telling us like oh,
and by the way, I mean, there's that line from
nineteen eighty four, how many fingers, am I holding up Winston?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
No, it's five, not four, like whatever.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
It's like it's a mismatch between reality and what we're
told the official version of reality is. And that's not
a healthy scenario. And I do think that we're going
to see more and more over the coming years, especially
if the public keeps putting on pressure. My gut tells
me that the trend line indicates, especially with a new
(42:52):
director of Arrow, that we're all kind of hearing some
potentially positive things about We might even get more between
now and the end of the year, even though the
UAP Disclosure Act didn't pass. I have a feeling we
might get some more interesting tidbits.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
We'll see, Yeah, who knows, Who knows. Maybe it'll be
more of the same, maybe it'll be something cool. But
you know, with you round, you keep pushing it forward.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Man. But well, it's a group effort. I have to say.
I'm like the least among us.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
The founder of uapcucus dot com. He was just on
weaponized with Corbel and NAP. I recommend people watch that.
He is literally the most articulate person I think the
UAP movement has on our side, and he's brilliant. I
got to, you know, finally meet him in person after
a year of collaborating as well as Ronak from uapcaucus
dot com also exceptionally articulate. They're very professional. They were
(43:46):
very great in these meetings face to face with these reps.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
They went over very well. We have folks like them.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
We have folks like doctor Keith Taylor, who is a
lifelong you know, law enforcement official. He really represents first
responders because they're often getting calls from the public about
I saw something or you know, I had a strange
experience or I'm having a problem because of something that
occurred relating to this topic, and you know, they don't have,
(44:13):
you know, really a set of resources to follow when
the public has these types of scenarios unfold. So we
have people like him, and there's frankly, dozens and dozens
of others that are part of this movement, if not hundreds,
if not thousands, and frankly including everyone who reaches out
to their elected officials, because it's really about creating a
movement like, yeah, there's going to be some people who
(44:34):
interface more. I live in Baltimore, so it's very easy
to get to DC and I can kind of be
in person to a certain degree, but without the numbers
and without the movement, it doesn't amount to anything.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So true, But hey, one of your last points about
trying to change legislations so that any illegal UAP program
like there can't what was that last line.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
So it's basically like and this was actually part of
last year's legislation, and they have to renew it every year,
and it looks like it's getting renewed this year. It's
you know, we talk about this legacy program or like
you know, many decade old you know, sketchy UFO program
or programs that might not be managed quite properly, might
not be getting funded quite properly, and certainly don't seem
(45:23):
like the people in Congress who are supposed to really
have access to even the most most most classified information.
This is the members of the so called Gang of Eight,
the top people both in the two people on the
Republican Democrat side of both the House and the Senate,
as well as the top Democrat and Republican on the
House Intelligence committees and the Senate Intel Committee. And so
(45:46):
that those eight individuals are really supposed to be like
read into everything if they want to be, and it
seems like those people have not been read in on
some of these legacy programs. Potentially, at least these are
the allegations that are being made by some very credible
individuals like Rush. So this law basically makes it whether
or not they have a direct obvious enforcement mechanism, at
(46:09):
least like makes it so those programs and they're being
funded through potentially sketchy means that violate what's called the
Federal Acquisition Regulation, which is, you know, the laws that
kind of dictate how contractors have to work with the
federal government. It makes it illegal for those potential contractors
(46:29):
to receive any funding whatsoever relating to UAP programs from
the government, either through contracts or through what are called
irad's independent research and development efforts.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Contractors like Lockheed Martin nor through Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, like, you know, we sell the government stuff and
there's a contract and we're supposed to follow certain regulations
for how that happens. I mean, I've sold contracts to
the government. So you know, that law is important because
at least it provides leverage and Congress can say we're
going to keep digging. I think they have leads on
where some of these programs are buried probably and who's
(47:04):
involved with them from a contracting perspective as well as
a department perspective. And they now have that power of
the law behind them that says, if you're doing this
hanky panky, it's against the law.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
And that's that means something.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
It means that there's potentially corrective mechanisms if they do
uncover those programs.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
So that's that's useful.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Be careful there, man, I don't want you to get
whacked by Lockey.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
I mean, you know, I've It's funny, and I think
this is an important part of my approach, Like hello, Bowing.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
You know, here's the thing, Darcy, Like, I don't think
of those types of organizations as enemies. Frankly, I've done
business with them. I've done business with federal agencies. I've
done business with DoD and the IC. I've met lots
of people and spent years, you know, helping some of
them solve technical problems of the vein that my career
was oriented around, which is media management technology.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
And it's all just normal in human beings.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Like there's a lot of really good people in those realms,
a lot of patriots. I think this issue got screwed
up a really long time ago, probably as far back
as the forties and fifties, and a lot of those
people are dead, like they're not running it anymore. But
these feedback loops have occurred, and so institutions have been
built over decades around treating this topic in a particular way.
(48:24):
I think a lot of those organizations are ready to
let go some of the recent word is I have
no privileged information on this, but it's like, apparently Lockheed
actually potentially supported the idea of more properly transitioning some
stuff they might have in their possession to a more
properly managed contract instead of programs. Part of that is
(48:46):
what both asapp and then later the proposed ConA Blue
program related to and.
Speaker 6 (48:52):
Apparently like Lockheed.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
This is again the word on the street, but I
think George Knapp was even talking about it on that
last Weaponize Like it wasn't actually Lockheed who put a
damper on that. It might have been coming from the
government or some other quarters. So I think we have
to create the space for change to occur, and that
(49:14):
means for me anyway, taking more of an approach of
trying to kind of create a truth and reconciliation process
around the UAP topic, and it's multi decade cover up
versus looking for enemies and looking for villains. I mean,
if justice needs to be served in a few cases,
there's always like the ceremonial heads that role, and that's
(49:36):
probably well and good. If some sketchy things have happened
and we saw you know, David Grush in real time
get smeared, probably from a leak that came out of
the IC, So.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
That's bad and someone needs to pay a price for that.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
But overall, I don't know if we can really look
for villains for something that's been treated a certain way
for three quarters of a century. We just the win
moving beyond it and getting to a new phase where
we have openness to at least a reasonable degree around
the topic and science can really start to dig into
it and things like that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Dude, I'm so glad you came up and spoke. Every
time you speak, it's an intellectual conversation and that's the
way I want my space is to be. Now I'm
gonna switch gears to another non privileged information like topic.
I have spoken with Pabel. Seems like the nicest guy.
(50:30):
He's here tonight. I uh, he's been filling me in
a little bit on this object that's approaching Earth. You know,
I've gotten some flack about posting about it. I don't know, guys, Like,
if you look at the basic calculations, if this object
is ten light years away, that is, if you're traveling
(50:56):
at the speed of light, which is incredibly fast, that's
thirty six point five earth years away. So I don't
know how this thing is going to make it here
by twenty what's the prediction twenty twenty seven. That's the
Ramirors thing. You know, everybody's posting these old like space
(51:17):
discoveries of possibly finding life back in twenty twenty three
on another planet. People are saying that James Webb is
holding back the only thing that I could, Like, I
just don't know if I believe it. But how fast
(51:41):
is this thing traveling? Again? Thirty six point five human
years if it was to travel at the speed of
light from where it is ten years ten light years
away now, and on top of that, it's going to
need to I mean, I just there's this all these
(52:03):
questions about it. What do you guys think I'm gonna
throw this around to the panel astral as ap. We
got in a request here, who's this? This is Pabo Okay,
he's popping up. Let's hear from pabl.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Hey, how's everyone doing.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
We're good man, welcome, people are g r A are
gonna hear you. So please articulate this story as best
as possible, my friend.
Speaker 11 (52:33):
Yeah, I just want to preface this by saying that
on my full video, it was taken out of context
a lot of what I said, because there was a
clipping of one of the videos where it appears as if.
Speaker 12 (52:48):
I am saying that this is gonna happen, or that
this is real. And all I was doing was reporting
on information I have.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
About it.
Speaker 12 (52:57):
But I don't necessarily believe it's true. I just decided
to report on it because I was told that this
was being told to people within Congress, and that's the
reason I recorded it. I don't I don't necessarily think
it's true, to be honest with you, but it's.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Being disgusting Congress, which is what you've heard, which is
that's huge. That's what if it's true. If it's true, right,
and I've put for people if they want to see
who Pavel is. I got his Twitter page open. Here
he goes by sicco Activo pod. I think sicco Activo
on YouTube. Go check out his videos. Cool guy, you know,
(53:40):
seems normal, But yeah, it's interesting. You've gotten some information
supposedly from a congress member or.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
No.
Speaker 12 (53:54):
My source has a lot of different connections. And I
decided to run this because we were both kind of
confused to why this is happening. And he's in a
position to know that this something like this will be happening.
That's why I felt confident. But it's not a congress
person per se. It's someone who deals with them constantly.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Okay, I see Nick's hand is up, Nick, if you
can make it. Actually, you know what, I've actually got
a for the stream that's online for people that are
watching the video and for KGr. I got to close
out that part of the show, but I'm going to
keep open the space. So I'm just gonna play the outro,
(54:41):
hold on for forty second, folks, and will be good
to continue the conversation everybody. There's going to be an
after show for subscribers on KGr if you want to
go subscribe and listen to the rest of this conversation
that'll be up there. Thanks so much for checking this out.
(55:04):
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