Don Ecker - Murder & UFO Investigator

Don Ecker joins us tonight for an educated perspective on the UFO phenomenon, cattle mutilations and con men in the field. Don is a former criminal investigator working for the police. He also was the Director of investigations for UFO Magazine.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
But she's picking up a massive object in this video.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Ships that might be closed.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Bulk in head Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God, was to protect the secrets
from the Air Force that were not out there in
the public.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
So Coull times before and really had a good time

(01:05):
speaking with him.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Don Ecker, the man, the myth, the legend, the investigator
of both murders real life murders as well as you know,
a professional UFO investigator for decades. He's he's mingled with
all the big names out there, the George Knapps, the

(01:28):
you know, the the professional journalists that have looked into
the UFO mystery. And the interesting thing about him is
that we have Obviously, if you're going to look into
the UFO mystery and you're going to cover cool stories,

(01:48):
if there's somebody else that's of a like mind, that's
really intelligent pushing the uh, you know, envelope in terms
of trying to figure this mystery out, you'll probably cross
in your research, and I saw Don Ecker as somebody
he just constantly was looking at the same stuff I

(02:10):
was looking at. And I've done documentaries on some of
this stuff, right, So I'm just really happy to have
him here tonight. It was a bit harder to get
things going last week. It was a bit of a
SpaceX failed failed launch. But really happy to have him

(02:30):
here live on Twitter. But before we go into questions
and go into a long conversation with him about all
things UFO and Don Ecker, we usually like to start
up the show with our friend Dale. So Dale, I'm
gonna I'm gonna have you say something positive for us,

(02:54):
because the world is quite a negative place. We always
have Dale start off with some kind of a message that,
you know, a little bit of inspiration for y'all. So Dale,
take it away.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
No, thank you, Darcy. It's good to be here on
his face again.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
I just love the group of people we have here,
and I really think it helps to start off with
a positive message because we really really haven't had, you know,
very many conflicts that I've seen anyway, So we're going
to start off with a positive message as well. I'm
going to use a catchphrase That's what I do every week.
And to catchphrase for today is it isn't over until
it's over. You know, yesterday I was reminded that miracles

(03:33):
do happen. I had a friend who was told by
our doctor that she had cancer. I don't think there's
anything scarier than the C word. A diagnosis like this
leaves people not only feeling hopeless, but also depressed. But
my friend's story is a reminder that it isn't over
until it's over.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
My friend had a biopsy done, which would take two
weeks to get the results back. If you've ever had
to wait for results like this, then you know how
gut wrenching this is. Your life is literally in the
balance at least hers West. After thirteen days of waiting,
she couldn't take it anymore, knowing that the results were in,

(04:16):
and knowing that the doctor had already stated not only
that it was cancer, but also that the tissue looked abnormal.
After explaining to the nurse all of this, she said,
can't you please tell me something because the waiting is
killing me? And so the nurse went and read the
results and it was a miracle. It was a new

(04:38):
lease on life. The test result said that the tissue
was benign, meaning non cancerous.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
What did I say? I said, it isn't over until
it's over.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Now, having been in ministry for over thirty years, I
know not every story ends this way, in fact most don't.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
But it's stories like this.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
One that give us hope and remind us it isn't
over until it's over. I don't know what you're facing today.
Maybe it's a cancer scare like my friend. Maybe it's
a relationship that's on the rocks. Maybe your kitchen table
is filled with bills you cannot pay. Maybe your kids
are on drugs and you feel like you've lost them forever.

(05:24):
But let me remind you again, it isn't over until
it's over. You remember how I said, not every story
ends this way, In fact most don't. Basically, it was
a hail Mary type situation.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
The gatekeepers are.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
In the exact same position today. We have them cornered
and they are really starting to freak out. They are
desperate and know that it's just a matter of time
before we get to disclosure and prove that some in
our government have been lying to us for years. It's
dark day for those living in the shadows and living

(06:02):
a lie. They may not know it, but it is
over for them. Their cancerous lies have taken their toll,
and death is imminent. For this seventy eight year old
cover up. It isn't over until it's over. Well for them,
it's over, or at least it's almost over. The Fat

(06:24):
Lady is getting ready to sing. The band is warming
up in the background. The sun is about to rise,
and a new day is about to dawn. It's the
downing of Big D Disclosure. As my friend Steve Bassett
excuse me likes to say. Today, I'm so very happy

(06:44):
because my friend gets to live and because this seventy
eight year old lie is about to die.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
It isn't over until it's over.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
My friend's nightmare is over, but the gatekeeper's nightmare is
just beginning. Said, my friend's nightmare is over, but the
gatekeeper's nightmare is just beginning.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It isn't over till it's over. And I mean, we
gotta we gotta push that right. We want to end
the secrecy on this subject. UFO, UAP, what have you?

Speaker 5 (07:22):
So?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Uh, let's just friggin end them, you know. Uh, I
guess we're We're just getting started right in terms of
really pushing that. So thank you Dale for that inspirational
speech there. And uh, I will say, you know we're
talking about things being over, there are things starting all

(07:46):
the time as well. Today I found out I'm bringing
a baby boy into the world, so that is going
to be a brand new life to discover this reality.
And it's not over, it's just getting started. So let's
all let's rejoice. All right, don are you with us,

(08:10):
my man?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
I certainly am. Thank you for the invit for the invite.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Hey, you're welcome, man, And look, I'm just gonna start
off asking some questions. I also want to announce one
friend who's just jumped in the space tonight. He interviewed
me on his channel. He's got his own podcast called
Curious Dimensions. Matthew Barone or Matt, Welcome to the stage.

(08:39):
Thank you for joining us tonight. Great guy. I like
the way he thinks. He's kind of on the same
page with a lot of things that I'm thinking. He's
gonna probably ask some questions and join the conversation as
we go along. So to you, don how did you

(09:00):
first get interested in this whole UFO question? What was
the very first case that peaked your interest and took
you down the rabbit hole, so to speak.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Well, I've always had an interest in unusual anomalous things.
I was in school and I was introduced to works
by a guy with the name of Frank Edwards who
had been a radio broadcaster, and basically he was fired

(09:40):
from his network because of his interest in the UFO subject.
Now we're talking about going back to the fifties and sixties,
it was vastly different back then. For example, an airline pilot,
if he encountered an anomaly during a flight and he

(10:03):
reported it, oftentimes he would be referred to see a
psychiatrist and possibly would lose his job. Same thing with
military pilots. Hey, military pilots have been encountering unidentified flying objects.

(10:25):
Today they're called UAPs, you know, tomato tomato, But military
pilots would be taken off of flight status. Back in
those days, there was a genuine stigma attached to anybody
that claimed to have seen a UFO, much less my god,

(10:49):
one that landed and entities left the craft. That was
practically a one way ticket to to a shrink. So
people like Edwards and then another legendary name in the field,

(11:10):
Donald Keyhole, who was the chairman and the chief executive
officer of NICAP, the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.
Keyhole wrote a series of books that were mind blowing
in their implication of a lot of your listeners may

(11:35):
not be familiar with some of these names, but anybody
that came afterwards definitely is standing or stood on these
guys shoulders.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
The foundations, the foundations of UFO investigation.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
You'd say, right, oh, yeah, Ivan Sanderson, Richard Hall, these
were all huge, huge names.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
How old were you feel How old were you at
the time that you you know you're interested.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Oh, I was twelve thirteen.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh there you go. Okay, so at a very young
age fascination in UFOs.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
But in nineteen sixty six, I came from the East coast.
I'm in California, Okay, but I came from the state
of Pennsylvania, actually the central western part, and when I
was growing up, it had a very huge hunting culture. Okay.

(12:40):
Deer season, which generally began in the first or second
week of December, was a huge, huge time. The schools,
believe it or not, even gave the first day of
hunting season off because so many, so many people hunted.
And I was with three friends. I was in high school.

(13:03):
Then I was with three friends at a very famous
geographical location close to my hometown called the Horseshoe Curve.
It was a railroad engineering feet that was built in
the nineteenth century, about sometime late eighteen forties, this curve,

(13:30):
and it was actually a railroad that led it from
the east coast all the way out to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
And while we were up in the woods, all right,
we had been up there for hours, hadn't seen a thing.
We were coming down off this hill when suddenly one
of my friends started yelling and jumping up and down.
I had no idea what the heck he was doing,
and I turned around to look, and he was staring

(14:01):
into the sky. Now, this was, like I said, nineteen
sixty six, And how old were you over flying us? Sixteen?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, three years later?

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Overhead were flying four brilliant lights in a diamond formation,
and they were probably, I'm going to guess somewhere maybe
ten twelve thousand feet altitude, and as they overflow float
overflew us, going at a relatively slow speed, probably not

(14:39):
much more than a couple one hundred miles an hour.
Suddenly the light in the rear shot straight up into
the sky. And when that happened, suddenly the other three
lights that are now in a V formation, he hit
a burst speed. They out of sight in literally seconds.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So they just carried on in the direction that they
were traveling in.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Really right. Absolutely, And the bottom the bottom line was,
I was sure, just as God made little green apples,
I was sure that this was going to be all
over the news, not a word now. Later in the eighties,

(15:27):
when I began professionally and I did an intensive research
jump into this field, I discovered that the entire East
Coast at that time sixty five, sixty six, sixty seven

(15:50):
were undergoing a huge UFO flat. Do you recall the
Great East Coast Blackout about sixty five or so?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Not familiar with it? Can you fill us in a
bit about that?

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Well, damn near the whole East Coast was blacked out.
Later it came out that some UFOs were sighted near
some power cables and junctions New York, the Great New
York Blackout. You never heard of that? Huh?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Heard of that? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, nine months later there was a huge baby Boom
for whatever that's worth.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
All right, but everybody, everybody got laid that night. Yes,
I had nothing else to do in the dark, right.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Well, yeah, I mean this was was damn near like
somebody set off an emp okay. Buildings all across New
York City business you know, the business businesses there. Elevators
were not running, all the lights were out. It was

(17:02):
a It was a big deal at the time. So
anyway to get back when I was researching all this,
to try to get a handle on the overall distault
of what this field was all about, I made the
I actually I introduced himself myself. I called him up,

(17:27):
a guy that became a friend of mine, John Keel.
Are you familiar with Keel?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh yeah, Mopman Prophecies UFOs He that's the guy that's
You're good friends with him?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, we were friends for years. Keel had just
conducted his West Virginia investigation, and if you read the
Mosman prophecies, then you're aware of some of the strangeness
he drifted into. And it was actually John that put

(18:04):
me on something that I was first very well known
for and I might add despised by a lot in
the UFO field I began and continued on for almost
four years of investigating human mutilations. Now, everybody has heard

(18:26):
about cattle mutilation, but there were humans that had been
mutilated too, and a lot of people in the field,
and my peers at that time, people like Bud Hopkins,
Dave Jacob, Stanton Friedman, Bill Moore, for God's sake, screwing

(18:48):
some others were not happy at the path I was taking.
That's a story for another time, the human mutilation thing,
but it's one of the aspects to this field. A
lot of people think that UFOs are basically these lights

(19:10):
in the sky, and sometimes you'll hear about entities and
what have you. But the field is so much vaster
than that. And I'm going to be mentioning several books
and authors tonight that if you genuinely have a true

(19:32):
interest in this field, okay, it'll behoove you to check
these out. Now. I heard the gentleman right before that
was giving the inspirational talk mentioned, Yes, Steve Bassett. Yes,
I've known Bassett for years, okay, and Bassett has been

(19:58):
a total optimist when it comes to this field. Well,
I'm here to tell you from my standpoint, all the
time that I spent in this field, some of the
cases over the years that I've been involved in, there
is something called a core secret in this field that

(20:21):
has been known about by the powers that be going
back at least to the Roswell event in nineteen forty seven.
And this core secret is surrounded and protected by something
called a SAP.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
SAP Special Access program.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
That stands for a special Access program. That's correct, And
the bottom line is whatever it is that they've been
sitting on for all these years, going on now almost
eighty years, they will never ever release that because from

(21:07):
information that I've gotten over the years, people that I
have talked to, and believe me, I've talked to damn
near everybody at one point or another. And I'm not
talking about just researchers. I'm talking about the Pentagon. I'm
talking about the people at NASA. I'm talking about individuals

(21:29):
within the government intelligence people that there is something that
has them And I'm not being this is not you know,
I'm not being hyperbole. This is something that has them
totally freaked out. Now. I wrote a paper about a

(21:52):
year ago on disclosure, and in this paper, I went
through some of the people I associated with, and I
knew I was friends with Ingo Swan. Ingo Swan was
the guy. He was considered one of the most psyche

(22:16):
talents on the face of the planet. He was back
at SRI with people like Pat Price. Swan was the
guy that designed the protocols for the Stargate program, the
remote viewersh Okay, now we had dinner out here. Oh golly,

(22:43):
I guess it was about the latter part of the
first decade of the twenty first century out here in Burbank.
And I had a copy of his book that I devoured.
Fact I did a review for it. He didn't mention
that I was the director of research for UFO magazine.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
We haven't got twenty years. We haven't gotten there yet,
But I had.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
I had been dying to sit down within Goo and
talk to him, particularly about what he described in a
remote viewing session where he remotely viewed the Moon, because
for almost twenty years I had been conducting research on

(23:35):
lunar transient phenomenon and I had managed through and I'm
not going to say how, but I had managed to
get some photographs directly from NASA, and in one of
these photographs it clearly showed a huge pipe running through

(23:59):
a lunar crater, and you could see where the soil
proceeding along the path of this pipe had been disturbed
and it came to an attachment. The pipe overhung a
cliff with a very strange attachment on the end of it.

(24:19):
So I had talked to Swan about that, and he well,
when he remotely viewed. If you've read Penetration, his book,
then you know what I'm referring to.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, he saw bases on the Moon and he was
sensed by a non human intelligence which warded him off.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
And they were not friendly, according to him.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
He was never allowed to go there again.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
According to him, Yeah, he was freaked out about it.
As a matter of fact, that night, over a bottle
of some excellent Kian, we basically talked about that, and
he told me for the next four to almost six months, Darcy,

(25:12):
he was afraid they were going to track him down
and fry his brain. This is what he told me.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
JC ge Gjeseus, My gosh, that's crazy. I mean, you're
basically summing up to me that maybe, just maybe we
shouldn't be kombay eyeing to these aliens or non human
intelligence and standing on you know, a stump in our

(25:39):
backyard and summoning them.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
That's what I'm doing now. I'm not, for any stretch
of the imagination, trying to say that it all is bad.
But Okay, over the years and the people that I've
interfaced with, I knew Gordon Cooper to the original Mercury
seven astronauts, Gemini. Yes, I knew very well, almost too

(26:12):
well John Lear before John went over the cliff UFO business. Okay,
And I got to say that in all those years,
I came to the conclusion, if we're being visited by even.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
One group of off world.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Intelligence, there probably are seven or eight more groups. It's
almost and I kind of joked about this, but it's
kind of like planet Earth is right on the off
ramp of interstellar travel. Okay, Hey, look, our astronauts, every

(27:05):
time they go up are seeing anomalous objects the ISS.
Have you noticed how many times if you go up
to their live feed and suddenly and you can see
the feed, something comes into the picture and they suddenly

(27:26):
loose the camera feed. Yeah, have you ever noticed that?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah? So I actually I did a series called Secret
Space UFOs. These documentaries on like Amazon to be and
that turning off the feed or obscuring the picture with noise,
or turning the camera away from an anomalous object. That's

(27:55):
all conducted by a CATO officer that sits in Houston.
They're actually on the ground, the ones that control those
space cameras, and that's their job to watch the things
that are in view. There's also what we found is
there's at least a sixty second delay between the feed

(28:17):
that's coming from space and what goes out live to
TV or to the Internet. So that sixty second delay
is perfect for them to capture a lot more anomalies
and completely cut them out. So I feel like we
see some of that because the officer on the ground

(28:38):
is really asleep at the wheel and hasn't figured it
out in sixty seconds somehow. But they have all these
they have basically all of these standard operating procedures in
place to stop showing that type of stuff to the public.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I broke two stories back on National TV and of
course in the magazine, one in November of ninety one,
and then another that was even bigger, I guess you
could say, in well, first May on NBC, then in

(29:19):
June on Larry King Live on CNN, and those two
cases were the Phoebles two Russian probe in November of
ninety one and then STS forty eight. Oh yeah, in
May and June. I broke that story.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Doctor Jack doctor Jack Casher covered that case as well,
did physics papers and stuff on the auduct.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Right, he did well. At any rate. We had a
source back in Washington, d see. Okay, and this individual
and I'm still not clear to this day what his

(30:11):
position was, but he was involved with the intelligence community. Okay.
The guy had to cover as a working journalist, all right. Now,
maybe he was assigned to keep an eye on us,

(30:31):
or maybe he genuinely had a real interest in the phenomenon.
I don't know, and I'm not trying to make it
mysterious that that's just the way it is, Okay. And
when I broke that case on Larry King Live, I
debated Jim Obert from NASA, what.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
An asss That guy is? Such an asshole?

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Eh he uh, Well, this is little of people didn't know.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I mean, he's going to see this probably one day
on YouTube he stalks me on any UFO space related
stuff I post. He's you could see him in the
comments like that's not possible, and that that's just got
to be space izer, that's got to be garbage floating
around or a satellite at that way.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
He tried, He tried that. He tried that with me.
I'm king, there you go. And I asked him a
question because I knew something about him that he didn't
know that. I knew he'd been a United States Air
Force nuclear officer. Now what's that tell you? He had

(31:41):
a top secret security clearance, all right? He was working
for NASA. NASA had a stance that UFOs were not real,
couldn't be real. So when I went into this show,
I had taken a videotape that was sent to me

(32:05):
by a UFO researcher, because back in those days, and
we're talking about ninety one ninety two, there were no
timed delay sequences. If it was coming from a NASA feed,
it was coming down in real time. And that's how

(32:27):
I got my hands on this video which showed the
Shuttle STS forty eight, which was flying above Australia and
New Zealand when this anomaly rose above the limb of
the Earth. Okay, it was flying serenely along. Now look.

(32:51):
To even be in orbit, an object has got to
be traveling at least around eighteen one thousand miles an hour.
And in the shuttle, okay, where this feed was coming from.
It was being beamed down from the shuttle. Suddenly there

(33:15):
was this brilliant light blossoming effect for just a second
or so, and then you could see a streak rushing
toward this anomaly. This anomaly took a violent maneuver, going
about one hundred and forty five degrees at least tripling

(33:39):
or quadrupling at speed to get out of the way
of this whatever it was. Okay, Now, Vicky, my wife, Vicki,
who was the founder of the magazine of UFO magazine,
and by the way our magazine went around the globe,

(34:01):
she basically told me when I first started working with
the magazine that this field UFOs are a playground for
the intelligence community. Now, when I was in the Army

(34:25):
in Southeast Asia, I was dealing with intelligence things, okay,
and of course at that time we were fighting an enemy,
the communist North Vietnamese Army. So any rate, I could

(34:45):
believe that because I had seen some of the people
that came out of the woodwork with some of the
craziest stories. As far as I was concerned. They were plants,
all right, trying to money the field, and a lot
of them succeeded very well.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Are you talking about like Bill Cooper, Well, Bill Moore, Sorry,
Bill Moore, not Bill Cooper. Bill Moore is what I meant.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
He was one though, and Bill Moore was another. Bill
Moore's buddy. Jamie Schandera was another. Okay. There were a
lot of others people like there used to be a
kook by the name of George Green okay who had

(35:31):
a group okay that were basically channeling messages from our
space brother brothers coming down to Earth and stuff like that. Okay,
that's still just another way to muddy the field.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's still happening today.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
There's multiple people that are you know, top you know
ticket selling conference, you know attended.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Stephen Greer is one. Stephen Greer Okay, contacted us when
he first entered the field back around ninety or ninety one,
wanted to have lunch with us. Now, I had just
completed several articles on people that had been seriously injured

(36:22):
or even died with close association to UFO craft.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And wow, so they got, they got, they got like
sick from the radiation. Yeah, okay, yeah, this is something
that actually under This is under reported by the way,
and I think it's going to come up more in
the future. But it's cool that you know about that stuff.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah, I've been around a while. But anyway, there's a
guy right now, as a matter of fact, doing a
lot of in depth research on that, doctor Gary Nolan.
I'm sure you've heard of him.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh yeah, he's great. I mean, he's a professional scientist
that's examining blood and brains of people that have been
affected by the radiation from UFOs or UAPs. I mean
he's there.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Let me get back to Greer. Yeah, let me go
back to Greer.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Let's get there.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
So we we met downtown in LA for lunch. Very
charming guy, you no, no, no, okay, good, very charming.
My my, uh well, at the time, my girlfriend that
later became my wife, VICKI, was there. Okay, okay, So anyway,

(37:43):
uh we're sitting there, we're chatting about this. He at
the time was using his credentials as a physician, medical doctor,
an emergency room doctor, and uh he started on this

(38:04):
business and he later formed a group called c SETI
he started on this business about the aliens are here
to save us, they're here for our benefit. Well, I
asked him if he saw their membership card, and he

(38:26):
didn't care for that much, and I said, how can
you say that? Well, you know, obviously they're superior technology.
They could take us over in a minute if they
wanted to. And I said, well, yeah, maybe, but you know,
we primitive humans have something that if push came to shove,

(38:50):
we probably use called nuclear weapons. Okay, not that anybody
would want to see that, but yeah, we do have them.
And I said, what would the aliens want to do
with the radioactive planet if it came to that? And
then I told him about this article that I had

(39:13):
just completed and make a long story short. Okay, he
decided that we were not his cap of tea and
that was the last time I ever heard from Greer.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, however, you're supposed to fall in line when a
leader speaks.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Okay, however, okay. A couple of years later, we did
an issue in UFO magazine called Cults or Cutting Edge,
all right, and we highlighted some of the biggest UFO

(39:55):
cult type organizations around and in passing simply in passing,
we mentioned Greer's group ce SETI. Well, a week after
the magazine came out, his West Coast administrator, a guy

(40:17):
the name of doctor Joseph Burks, another physician, sent us
a fifteen page letter. I kid, you not taking us
to task about mentioning c SETI. Then he challenged me

(40:42):
to a debate on compu Serve.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Of all places, that's that's an old website. Yeah, well
it was.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
It was a big thing at the time. Yeah, all right.
And I looked at VICKI because I was already I
had started my broadcasting in nineteen ninety one on CRN,
the cable radio network. I had a weekly show that
became extremely popular called UFOs Tonight. Okay, and I turned

(41:17):
to my Well, she wasn't my wife then, but I
turned to one. I said, look, he wants to debate us.
He said, why would I debate him on copy Serve.
I'll invite him on my show. What I did? All right? Now,
in those days, okay, we're talking early nineties. My broadcast

(41:41):
studio at CRN was very close to a Coco's restaurant,
and if I had a guest that was going to
be in studio. I would always invite them out for dinner,
buy them dinner before the you know, before the show.
Then we would go over do the show and so forth. Well,

(42:02):
Burks came out, very nice guy, and we sat down,
we had dinner, and when it was getting time for
the show, we get up, went over to the studios
and for the next two hours. The next two hours,

(42:23):
I put him under a microscope and at the end
of the show he raged out of the studio. Now,
so I had been. I had been before I got
involved in this crazy business, a criminal investigator. I was

(42:43):
a detective.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, you investigated murderers and such, right.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Oh yeah, murders, child child abuse, narcotics, trafficking, Wow, all
kinds of stuff. So well it could be, yeah, it be.
And uh, I don't think Berks was used to that
because one thing I do know how to do is
interview somebody, and uh, they didn't like that and it

(43:13):
resulted in some more unpleasantness. But yeah, I don't want
to go into it. But yeah, yeah, I've been banging
around that block for a while.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
What Why wouldn't Greer come and debate you? Why would
he send like a physician, lieutenant.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
He didn't want He didn't want to, He didn't want
to sit down with me. He could see that I
wasn't going to be snowed over by his charm and bullshit.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Do you think that he's briefed presidents like this is
one of his new lines. He's been repeating on him
every single So how do you do that? How do
you become somebody a civilian?

Speaker 5 (43:53):
He claimed. He claimed that he was brought in for
a briefing by.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
This right you remember that, yes, And he said that
was as a result partly of possibly doctor edgar Mitchell
bringing him in.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Well, he didn't get breathed, but.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
You rugged there. Sorry you cut out? What did you say? Okay,
we kind of lost him there for a sec. I
hope he'll come back, but curious to mention, Matt if
you want to just pop up and say something, feel free?

(44:39):
Got your hand up weird?

Speaker 7 (44:45):
Can you hear me out?

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
We can hear you, Matt?

Speaker 7 (44:47):
What's up there?

Speaker 5 (44:49):
We go? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
So, uh yeah, this is a great, great thing you Hostay, Darcy,
I thought I just pick up the microphone while we're
waiting for Don to come back on. It's great having
someone like him on who's got that kind of time
and history to give everyone ad a good kind of
temperature of where this has been, where where it was,
and now where it's kind of going. I did want

(45:13):
to ask him what he thinks about certain individuals that
have been in the space for a long time, and
you know the topic of UFO disease, where people kind
of make this into a career and they use it
to make money, and then how maybe they had great
intentions in the beginning, but it kind of morphs and changes.

Speaker 7 (45:30):
I'm not sure if you still can.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
You hear me now?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
We got yeah, we got yeah. You just hey, just
so you know down. I know it's kind of frustrating,
but this is Twitter. It is a buggy ass app
and I really appreciate that you just persevere. Click the
link again and jump back in. We have Matt Barone
up here. He had a question for you regarding intentions

(45:57):
and how ufology can possibly change people's character. Do you
want to ask that again, Matt?

Speaker 7 (46:04):
Yeah, I'd love to.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I was saying, Don, it's great to have someone like
you in this space who has this kind of timing
and has this kind of lens throughout history of seeing
the greats like Donald Keho come through and all the
way through today. But my question was, have you seen
over time a great number of these individuals who sort

(46:28):
of make this their career and they become quote unquote experts,
And did they start out having great intentions? And then
is that morph and change as money gets involved?

Speaker 7 (46:39):
And have you seen that quite a bit?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
And have you seen other examples of people kind of
staying true to just the just the information in the facts.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yes, I certainly have, and I can I can name
a couple of guys right off hand. They're both now deceased.
One was a guy that I met back in the
late eighties by the name of Clifford Stone. Now cliff

(47:11):
Stone was pretty well known at the time. He was
an exquisite document finder, Okay. One of the documents he
discovered was called Project Moondust that came from the Advanced

(47:37):
Well the group within the US Air Force that examined
foreign technology and technology from unknown sources. And the Stone
was a career Army and COEO had retired all right,

(48:03):
and I was very impressed with his document skills. But then,
and this is a situation that I've witnessed many people
go through after they get a taste of notoriety, all right,

(48:28):
maybe even star status. They begin to crave it more
and more and to stay relevant in the field. And
before it was all said and done, okay, Cliff's role
in UFOs had morphed into being part of a very special, exclusive,

(48:53):
confidential UFO retrieval group, among other things. And in one example,
and this is where I blew up, okay, in ninety seven,
ninety seven, because of money issues, we had to bring

(49:16):
investors into the magazine and you know the old story
them with the gold called the Tomb, and we were
given somebody to work with us, and I'm sure you
all are familiar with him, guy the Nami William Burns,
Bill Burns, Burns Burns.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
He eventually bought he bought UFO Magazine from your wife
and you right.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Well, yes, and no, okay, there is a confidential dentuality
agreement and I can't go into specifics. Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
He licensed, he licensed the name.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
But he started changing the process that we had operated
under since nineteen eighty six. And that was just the facts. Now.
My wife, Vicki, is a journalism graduate, had been a

(50:22):
working reporter before she began the publication in eighty six,
and she believed me. Even today, she goes nuts when
she sees some of these so called reporters on TV,
you know, ignoring the most basic rules of journalism, the

(50:46):
most basic rules today they don't even exist, and that
would make her crazy. And of course, being a former
criminal investigator, I'm all about the facts, okay, and if
the fact, if the facts are not there, then I
can't help you, all right, Well, he started bringing blowhearts

(51:10):
into the magazine. One of them was cliff Stone, who
by this time was a living legend in his own mind.
And he had written this story about when he was
in Vietnam and he had gone to Vietnam that one
night he was contacted by his UFO commander and he

(51:37):
had to meet with this guy, and he was in
a firebase and he met the guy by crawling out
through the wire, going into the jungle. Blah blah blah.
This was his story. I read that.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Is this the same story that you know he would
become super famous for through the two thousand one Disclosure
Project hearing at the National Press Club in DC held
by Greer, where he kind of famously cries. I mean
every time Clifford Stone told that story. It was like

(52:18):
the guy that gets emotional and cries about meeting alien's
telepathically like having it.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
It was all Street theater, All Street theater, okay, okay,
and so Street theater.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So you're saying, before that.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Look, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell
you about a time he called me up at the magazine.
This is before this Vietnam thing. And we were there
at the magazine working. This had to be mid to
ladder nineties. And I answered the phone, Hi, Ufo magazine,

(52:53):
What can I do for you? Don don It's Cliff
and I knew right away Clifford Stone. I said, yeah, Cliff,
what's up. You're not gonna believe what happened to me?
And I said, okay, what happened? Well, I was at
my house. I was taking out some garbage to the can.

(53:15):
He lived by the way in Roswell, New Mexico. That's
where he lived. And uh, he said, uh, this car
pulled up in front of my house with three guys,
and now I could fill my bullshit indicators starting to ring,
and I said, uh, okay. He said, well, this one

(53:39):
guy walked up to me and he said, Cliff, we
know you get your coat. We want to take you
and show you something. Now, okay, common sense. Just imagine
somebody you don't know pulls up in front of your house,
calls you by name, Darcy, Hey, we know you. I
want to I want to take you somewhere where I

(54:00):
can show you something. What are you gonna say.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I don't talk to strangers, sir, and I don't get
into cars if you offer me candy.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Exactly. So I said to Cliff, well, what'd you do?
I went inside, I grabbed my coat and then I
slipped my three fifty seven pistol into my pocket.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That's really okay.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Yeah, so he claims he went. I got in the car.
They drove out into the desert, and there's a hell
of a lot of desert out there. I've been to
Roswell and he said, they pulled into this arroyo, stopped
the car, everybody opened the doors. I got out, and
this is what he's telling me. Okay. I got out

(54:45):
and the guy that approached him got out and said, Cliff,
I know you've you brought a gun with you. I
want you to pull it out. And I said he
knew you brought Okay, Well, what you do I pulled
it out. Yeah, and then what well? He said, shoot me. Now,

(55:08):
this is what this man is telling me on the
telephone at UFO magazine. And I said, he told you
to shoot him. What did you do? Well, I fired
the gun, Adham, You fired the gun at him? What happened? Nothing?

(55:28):
I said, what do you mean nothing? Cliff? He said, well,
I shot him and it didn't have any effect. And
I said, Cliff, buddy, look, I don't have time for
this horse shit. I'll talk to you later and I
hung up on him. That story demonstrates the links that
some people will go to to keep that level of

(55:52):
celebrity status, if you will going. And he certainly wasn't
the only other one. But anyway to get back to
the Vietnam thing. So when I read that at the magazine,
this is before it was published, and I turned to
Burns and I said, you've gotta be kidding me. This

(56:13):
is the biggest bundle of BS I ever read. I said, Bill,
I was in freaking Vietnam. I know something about that place.
The idea that this guy and he looked like a
now one thing about Cliff, and I'm not knocking for
his weight, but he smoked like a chimney, and he
looked like a five foot seven inch pair all right, his.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Belly and out of shape.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
He was trying to become this daring, this man of
daring do So I said, you can't run that, that
damn story in the magazine. And Burns's attitude was, well,
everybody should have their say and then let the reader decide.
And I said, well, you know, Vicky and I have
been publish in this magazine for eleven years and that's

(57:03):
now not how we did it. But he ran the
damn thing. So I said, fine, you run that, and
I'm going to run a story right underneath it. And
I did, and I blasted that guy's tail end. But
this is this is the problem with the UFO field.

(57:25):
Now Mofon, for example, wants nothing to do with me. Okay,
I've only ever spoken at Moufon. Well, this story has
a surprise ending to it. But the guy that began

(57:45):
Moufon was a fellow by the name of Walt Andres.
Now Andrews originally had been a member and I'm not
sure how hot he was in the organization called APRIL,

(58:05):
the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. Now APRIL was started about
fifty two or so, nineteen fifty two by a husband
and wife team by the name of Jim and Coral Lorenzen.
Now Caralrenzen was famous for her fiery personality, and later

(58:35):
on she accused Walt Andres, who began Moufon by rating
her membership files. They had a lot of academics and
others that were interested in the UFO phenomenon, and back
in those days, Coral and Jim were all about the

(58:57):
facts and trying to get this acknowledged in the mainstream
as being a very real phenomenon. Well, okay, now we'll
scoot along to nineteen eighty nine. Well, actually, about November
of eighty eight, one day I get a call at

(59:19):
my home. I'm living then in Boise, and it was John.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Lear, Idaho.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
And Lear knew about my research into human mutilations, and
he said, well, he said, you know, I'm now the
Moufon State director for Nevada, and I am hosting the
Moufon Symposium. Okay, now they've got all the same.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Uh oh, he might rugged.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
I'll just pick up the mic until Don comes back
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
That's okay, Darcy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I thought that was fascinating what he said about Clifford Stone.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
I've got his book UFOs Are Real, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
A giant, thick book of just UFO documents, military documents
going back decades.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
But I never knew that he kind of had a
story that was not exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
It was maybe a little bit too wild for everyone
to kind of digest, and maybe he was maybe he
was making things up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
That was That was an interesting piece that he brought
up there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I think, Don, Yeah, Don can if you can hear us,
I don't know what's going on in your side. Oh
he's dropped down, he'll drop he'll pop back up in
a sec. We'll find out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
But maybe he could clarify that for me because that
that that's what I was getting from that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
Maybe that's not what it was, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Well, no, I think that's what it was. I think
the interesting thing about down and there are other people
out there like Don who've been around forever, right in
terms of interacting with the community, researching UFOs, you know,
talking with other thought leaders and you know, let's call

(01:01:26):
them what they are, UFOs celebrities. And because he's been
around for so long interacting in that way, he's able
to vet people properly.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
And.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
I'm back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Thank you, Thank you for popping back up. We had
We had our when you cut off right at the
fact that you know you were having problems with Mofon
in nineteen eighty nine, and I believe you were talking
about a lady who was very fiery for you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Know, Jim and Carl Lorenzen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, yeah, yea yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
They blamed Walt Andrews for stealing membership finals that he
later used to begin Movefon. Now, okay, we caught up
because I get a call from John Lear asking me
to come down to Vegas. He was the state director

(01:02:29):
from Moufon Nevada eighty nine. He was hosting the Moufon Symposium,
all right, and he invited me to come down on
a Sunday date to speak about my research in human mutilations.
So I fly into Vegas, go to my hotel, check

(01:02:53):
in at the front desk, and standing off to the
side of three guys, and this older man, he looked
like he was in his late sixties, short, cognacious attitude,
walked up to me and he said, are you don Ecker?

(01:03:17):
And I looked at him and I smiled. I didn't
know who he was, and I said, yes, I am,
and I held out my hand to shake his hand.
He ignored me, and what he said to me was,
my name is Walt Andres. I'm the international director of Moufon,

(01:03:40):
and I'm here to tell you that if you speak
at Lear's unsanctioned conference on Sunday, you'll never speak at
mofon again. Ever. Now, first off, the guy had no

(01:04:02):
social crisis at all. That's not the way you approach
somebody you don't know. And uh, it just so happened.
I was the director. I was the director of research
for UFO magazine. So if he thought he could intimidate me,

(01:04:24):
he had another thing coming. And I just simply said, okay, thanks,
got my key, went up to my room, and I'm
thinking to myself that SOB can kiss. You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
All right, you were doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
I did what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
You were going to do the symposium.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
You're like, see, oh hell yeah, and I did you
bet I did so. So anyway, I never never got
another invite from mofan ever even now. Okay, now, on
two occasions for the local Mouffon in La, I was
invited to talk about my lunar research that I had conducted.

(01:05:07):
And uh, but but as far as nationally or anything, No, no,
And that that was that was fine, That was cool.
I mean, hell, I've lived this long and I've gotten
by with it. You know, who needs mofon and mofon,
believe me, have their own problems. A few years ago,

(01:05:30):
the director of mof on, oh yeah, it was busted
for a soliciting a minor. On another occasion, one of
their upstanding officers got nailed for making racially insensitive remarks
in a public post. I mean, hey, who needs that business?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, you're talking about so Jan Harzen I think is
the guy that got arrested for pedophilia. Right yeah, yeah, yeah,
really messed up. Okay, Right, so, long story short. You've
made some friends, you've made some enemies in the UFO community,

(01:06:15):
but you've got your head on your shoulders because you're
not bowing to anybody and you're following the facts. You
don't want to be part of any you know, circus
show that's just parading bullshit theories and trying to create

(01:06:35):
some kind of griff factory making money out of the
whole phenomenon. Am I right?

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Absolutely, Look all everything I have done UFO wise in
the last fifteen years, all of it has been gratis.
I still have my my well. I do two radio
shows a week, Okay, my radio show that I've been

(01:07:05):
doing for years called Dark Matters Radio. It airs on
kg R a dB on Mondays starting at four pm
Pacific time, seven Eastern and on Thursdays we do a
special panel show called UAP Crossfire.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Okay, I've been on me since I've been on that show,
and I think who was on. I was on there
with Mark D'Antonio, markty' antonio, and we argued about the
Agwadella footage, the two Aguadilla UAP yet right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
But my point is I don't get paid for any
of this, Okay, I don't do it to get paid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I'm not getting paid for this show. This is straight
up just doing it for the love of speaking with
the community and everybody having a voice, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Exactly exactly, and this is something that but look, hey,
look everybody has got to eat. They got to pay
the bills. Oh, speaking of the bills, I didn't think well,
I didn't know for sure I was going to be

(01:08:24):
able to make it today. You know why why I
get up about usually every morning around five five point thirty.
Come out, pour myself a cup of coffee, sit down,
turn on my cell phone, scan the headlines. You know,
my wife came out a little after seven, and she

(01:08:47):
likes to have a cup of coffee and then open
the mill. So we had Darcy. This is as true
as true gets. She likes to open the mail at
the table while she's drinking her coffee. So we get
a uh look like a bill from the water company. Okay,

(01:09:16):
So she slid the uh slit the envelope open and
pulled it out. I see her reading it. She's sitting
right next to me. Her face, her face goes white,
and I'm looking and I know something is off. And
I said, uh, Vic, what's up? Oh, my god? And

(01:09:42):
she handed me the paper and yeah, it was from
the water company. And I look at it. Now, we
make a payment, and it's an auto payment every two months,
right that way where we're never behind. And I open
this thing and I look at it and they're telling

(01:10:03):
us we owe them seventy seven thousand dollars seventy seven
two hundred dollars and some change.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
My god, and I got it right here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
I'm gonna as a matter of fact, I'm gonna photocopy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Well what are they? What are they pumping through your
pipes to your house? Platinum or gold?

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
Yeah? No, no, no, so these soobs and never this
is California, right, Yeah, they came out and installed a
brand new water meter on our house. Never told us, okay,
never told us, And this was the reading from this

(01:10:50):
new meter. So I'm not the guy to talk to
them because I would probably prove to be well, what
are we say? Say? I would have issues with anger manage.
So my wife called them up and we finally got

(01:11:10):
it all squared away. It was a screwup on the meter,
but yeah, I've got the printed bill for seventy seven grand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
My gosh, holy crap. Well okay, first of all, sounds
like one of those smart meters that they installed.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
A bit of an oxymoron there. Second of all, thank
you again for attending, and we are all very happy
to hear your voice, to hear your stories of the past.
I think we'll probably we could do a couple of
shows with you, for sure, and I definitely want you
to come back. But I think from here what we

(01:11:51):
could do. We do have some people that want to
ask questions, so curious dimensions. My friend Matt is here.
He kind of got cut off. He kind of jumped
in every time you rubbed or glitched out before. But
let's get him to ask you some questions if other
people want to come up, and then I'll ask some

(01:12:12):
other stuff afterwards. So how about that, Matt?

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Yeah, thanks, Darcy, done again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I don't know you've heard me before, but I said,
it's a real pleasure to hear someone like you speak
that's got a lot of timing in this subject and
can give us all sort of a clear picture going
back through the history and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Where we were and where we are. Kind of now, there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Was a character who was kind of big in the
UFO circuit for a while.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
He's now passed away. I wanted to get your take
on this individual.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
You ever crossed paths with Sergeant Major Bob Dean and
what are your thoughts on him and his work?

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Yeah? Yeah, Now, like I said, I was in the military,
I was actually in war. I have known in my
I was an NCO. Okay, I was a sergeant and
over the years I crossed paths with a number of

(01:13:18):
sergeant majors and that rank in the military is esteemed
for somebody to reach that height as an enlisted man. Okay. Now,
they they would routinely chew up first and second lieutenants

(01:13:40):
and spit them out. Well, the lieutenant was wondering what
the hell happened? And a lieutenant, of course, is an officer.
These guys were the were the real hardcore. They were
the real brown shoe of the army. Now, Dean, I

(01:14:01):
was always very iffy about Bob Dean, and I'll tell
you why. For one thing, a guy that was a
sergeant major, here was Bob Dean running around with a ponytail, Okay.

(01:14:21):
That struck me as weird and odd. Okay. And then
he allegedly brokeer to the press this cosmic, top secret
thing about NATO and UFOs that struck me as pure bullshit. Okay.

(01:14:46):
Like I said, I was involved in intelligence matters in Vietnam,
and you just don't break those security ooths. You just
don't do it. Then, one more thing about Bob Dean.

(01:15:08):
I saw him at a UFO event where there were
some speakers that came in from the UK, from the
United Kingdom, and my wife and I went over to
hear them. We knew all these guys. By the way,
and there was Bob Dean and his wife, and we

(01:15:30):
walked past them and they they of course knew who
Vicky and I were. And I stopped and briefly chatted
with Dean, and then I thought, well, why not, I'm
going to invite him on my radio show. So I said, well,

(01:15:50):
Bob by the way, I said, you know, I've been
doing a radio show since nineteen ninety one. And I said,
would you be interest in being a guest And he said, well,
my wife handles all that. Talk to her, and he
wondered off. So I'm standing there, I'm trying to be

(01:16:11):
nice and polite, and she gets up real close to
me and she said how much do you pay? And
I said, excuse me, what, Well, how much do you
pay pay for what? Well, for Bob to come on
your show? I said absolutely nothing. I said, he can

(01:16:34):
do it for the exposure. If he has a book
or something, I'd be happy to help him push it. Well,
if he didn't get paid, he's not interested. Okay, well thanks,
and I just wandered off. So that's my Bob Dean's story.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Wow, that's uh, that's just how it happens. I actually
met Bob Dean back in two thousand, I want to
say two thousand and nine. I was at Alejandro's UFO
Congress International Rojas. Yeah, I was at that in Scottsdale, Arizona,

(01:17:16):
and Bob Dean was sitting taking a break out front, sitting.
They held it at a pretty nice hotel there, and
he was smoking a cigar, just chilling with a cane
out front. So I sat beside him, and you know,

(01:17:38):
he was charismatic. He had a very polite and you know,
almost like preacher way to speak to people, and that
captivated people. And he was just very you know, open
and loving and that's great. His story though, how he

(01:18:02):
read that book? What was the how did that story go?

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Like he was he was serving and he found a
book that literally, yeah tell somebody explained that. I can't
remember exactly how, but I remember just being like, where's
the book?

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Like why wouldn't you grab it? How come this isn't
something that like how could it just be sitting around?
And you know?

Speaker 7 (01:18:31):
So he called that the assessment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
So he was he was on duty I think at
SHAPE Strategic Allied Headquarters Europe.

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
I think that's where he.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Was, and it was like the middle of the night,
and one of his commanding officers dropped down this book
in front of him, which was called the Assessment, and
it was an assessment of.

Speaker 7 (01:18:54):
A possible threat from non human intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
They didn't call it that at that time, but it
had pictures in there, and it was a thick thing,
and he said it kind of changed his life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
It would have said that, it would have said that
assessment of the threat of extraterrestrial intelligence, probably right, because
that was the big word back then.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I'm sure it said extraterrestrial intelligence. But yeah, and anyway,
so that's what it was. But he also claimed that
he had made photo copies of things and and and
someone in an interview in the past had asked him
where those were, and he said, well, I'm not I'm
never going to show those. But yeah, so I don't
know where that assessment is or what those photos are
that he had, but those.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
Are his claims.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah, And I mean, like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
I can I say something, Darsik.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, please absolutely jump in bullshit? Great, thank you. I think, yeah,
sometimes there's probably kernels of truth to something like that
being out there. And then there's people that build a

(01:20:05):
story around that that foundation.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
If he walked out of there with those documents stole them, okay,
it wouldn't take down long to figure out what happened
to them who took them, and they would have nailed
him for espionage. They would have court marshaled him, and

(01:20:30):
he'd be cooling his heels in some place like Leavenworth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Fair enough. Okay, so we've got the Bob Dean question
out of the way. We have up here now revolution ie, transhumanism,
and the Singularity. Did you have a question for our
guest tonight, Rebo. Maybe not, maybe he is just wanted

(01:21:01):
to pop up here. All right, never mind, I'll ask
you a question, because I've got a million. What do
you think about, Like are there any of these people
that have come forward recently that you think are legit

(01:21:23):
in terms of being whistleblowers or do you see more
of the same, Like can you equate a Clifford Stone,
you know, situation where maybe he was good at tracking
down documents or was actually interested in this phenomenon and
you know, could provide that type of service at first,

(01:21:45):
but now is like speaking publicly saying they were, you know,
involved in alien stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Okay, Okay, last several years, last several years, Okay, starting
with a grouse, Okay, David, the the guy is definitely
an Air Force veteran. I saw something that they did
to him, and it had to come from upstairs, if

(01:22:18):
you know what I mean, Pentagon, Okay, it had to
come from upstairs. The guy had a problem and it
was a private thing, medical issue with autism. He's on
the spectrum. Okay. He later came out and he admitted
to that, which there's day there's nothing wrong with that.

(01:22:39):
But after he went to Congress and testified, and incidentally,
and I cannot stress this enough, everything he testified to
in Congress came from second and third hand witnesses. He
was very upfront that he could not he did not

(01:23:02):
have any personal experience with bodies or artifacts or wreckage. Okay,
he was very upfront about that. But the people that
he talked to gave him this information, and in Congress
he said he trusted them, etc. All right. Oh And

(01:23:24):
as an aside, this I found exceedingly strange. He was
briefed beforehand on what he could talk about and what
he couldn't talk about in public hearings. Guess what. One
of the things he was forbidden to discuss the Roswell

(01:23:50):
incident that took place in nineteen forty seven. They forbade
him to discuss Roswell and if anybody asked him about Roswell? Okay,
did he did? He couldn't talk about it. Now. Something
else that Grush did in that hearing that struck me

(01:24:15):
as weird. But my background, I was a cop. Somebody
asked him if anybody ever died while being associated with
this subject? And what did he say? Oh? Yeah, not
one of those congressional dickheads followed up on that. Now,

(01:24:38):
I would think, okay, that that would be something you
would want to explore. For sure. It's not all peace,
love and light, Okay. People have been harmed and people
have died. Yeah, and you're associated with UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, and you're close to that. You even know about
the human mutilation side of the which that's nefarious. That's
not love and light at all. So that's that's okay.
So David Grush, you think he might be on the level.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
I think he's on the level.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
But I do two, I do two second.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
And third hand. Now, well, let's go to another guy. Okay,
guy that I know, lou Elissando. Okay, okay, now, I
had a very good friend. As a matter of fact,
he passed away a year ago in January. Tracy Tourmee.
Oh yeah, producer, yeah, screenwriter, producer. His father was the

(01:25:41):
Velvet fog mel Tourmee. Okay, I knew Tracy for thirty
plus years. Tracy had an inordinate interest in the UFO topic.
He was the guy, okay, that did the Travis Walton
movie Fire in the Sky. Yes, okay, very close friends

(01:26:06):
with Walton. Tracy was so so. Anyway, Tracy calls me
up one day. This is when Eleasondo and Tom DeLong
and that guy Skinner from the skunk Works, those people

(01:26:27):
were doing Unidentified, that TV show that ran for a
couple of years on the History Channel. Right, So he said,
don He said, what do you think about this guy?
And I said who? He said, well, that Louis Alesondo.
And I said, well, you know, I didn't do any
research on him. But supposedly he claims he headed the

(01:26:52):
A tip program. He knew all the right names. Supposedly,
Senator what's his face from Nevadi's Dead? Now, okay, was
the guy that supposedly came forward with about twenty two

(01:27:12):
million bucks to fund a tip. I said, you know,
that's really all I know about. He said, well, I'm
going to track him down. I want to get to
know him. I said, okay, let me know how it
turns out. Oh and by the way, tell him I'd
love to interview him on my show. So sure enough,

(01:27:37):
Tracy finds Alessando and they started telephone friendship. Okay, of course,
tour May was a celebrity, Hollywood celebrity. He's been out
here forever. He's the guy that did the TV series Sliders,
all right, all the other stuff he did, screenwriter, he

(01:27:59):
did but Hopkins Intruders series that ran in the late
eighties early nineties. He was just he was actually he
was a great guy. So he calls me up and said, well,
I've been in touch with low Oh great, he said.
By the way, he said, I told him you'd like

(01:28:22):
to talk to him, and here's his phone number. So
he gave me his phone number. I still have it.
So I waited a few days and then I called
Lou up and I said, Lou, this is Don Ecker.
Oh yeah, yeah, I said, hey, I wanted to talk

(01:28:42):
to you. Well, I can't talk to you now. Well okay,
he said, Oh I'm up to my eyebrows and alligators.
Oh all right. He said, I'll call you this weekend.
I said great, So I wait. Weekend comes, the weekend goes,
no call, so I wait another week. And then I

(01:29:04):
called him back, same thing. He couldn't talk to me,
but I'll call you this weekend. Now I'm getting suspicious.
You know, burn me one shame on you burn me twice.
It's my fault. Well, sure enough, he never called. I
called him one more time. Now I admire a man

(01:29:26):
that will come right out and tell you if this
is what he was truly feeling. Hey, for whatever reason,
I don't want to talk to you. Okay, I can
respect that you want to tell me why? No, okay,
all right, good enough. But this guy didn't. He tried
to string me along one more time, and then I

(01:29:49):
put my mind to work. Now, I told you about
STS forty eight. Yeah, and I told you about busting
that wide open on National TV. Well, that source we
had back in DC called me up two days after
that King show and he said, well, what have you heard?

(01:30:12):
And I said, nothing from nobody. He said, well, and
I'm just I'm making this breath. He said, Well, I
just want to tell you down. You really pissed off
a lot of people at the Pentagon. Oh really, why
is that? He said, Well, just so you know, he said,
you know that live feed. Yeah, well it's now encrypted

(01:30:38):
and from that date in June of nineteen ninety two
until today, everything you see in out of Space is
in time delay or it's been edited, and you can
thank me for that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
So you think that is somehow associated.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
With So I think I think somebody told Elissando did
not have anything to do with that guy. That's what
I suspect.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Well, you know, in Lose Defense earlier on, when he
first came to the public, he was very, very very
picky about who he would speak to because all kinds
of stuff was happening to him. He was actually getting
a lot of heat for going public, and he also

(01:31:29):
was getting hate from the Greer camp. He was getting
hate from you know, every investigator that's this seasoned investigator
already established, like you know, hey.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Darcy, Darcy, Yeah, how long did it take you to
track me down?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
It took me a while actually, just because I didn't
really know of you for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
Am I am I on the internet? You are Oh
damn right, I am all over it. And it doesn't
take a rocket scientist to figure out that I come
straight ahead. I don't pull too many punches. And I
think that's what he was afraid of, because I had

(01:32:13):
some very pointed questions to ask him that whole two
year run of Unidentified what did they do? Every every
freaking episode they talk about whatever the main subject was,
And at the very end of it, what would they do?

(01:32:35):
Or this could be a potential thread, a little fear
porn there? You dig?

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I dig, But I will say I will say not that.
I I mean, fear is a great motivator, right, and
I don't want people to be programmed purely by fear.
But it's better than the Kumbayas side, right, It's better
to be vigilant and defensive then you know, completely open

(01:33:03):
susceptible to attack. But right, let's uh, we've got another
speaker up here, u ap Juanas, Hey, Dorsey, how's it going,
good man? Welcome?

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:33:21):
My question for don just you know, wanted to just say,
it's so cool to talk to you. I've been a big.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
Fan of your show of Dark Matters Radio for many,
many years.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Oh, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:33:32):
I remember back in the day, you know, I you know,
kind of segueing, not not you have full related but
I was fascinated by the investigation you did of the
Highgate vampire.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Yeah. So I'm just wondering, did you ever.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Did you ever, you know, find out anything about that case?
I mean other than what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
A crap there was no vampire. Interesting. I got a
dirty little secret, and I'm going to let it out
right here. Okay, I've been a huge fan of vampire

(01:34:14):
horror my whole life. As a matter of fact, in
two thousand and four, I wrote a novel called Let's
See I had. Well, let me back up a little bit.
I went my wife and I went to see John

(01:34:36):
Carpenter's Vampires when it first came out with James Wood,
and I loved that movie. But I told my wife,
I said, you know, hell, I've been a writer now
for years. I'll bet I could write a better vampire
story than that. So I guess it was about two

(01:34:58):
thousand and one or so I started writing this book.
It's titled Past Sins, a novel of supernatural horror. And
the twist in the in the book is this that
what if vampires were actually real and the c i

(01:35:24):
A got their hands on one? Okay, Now it went
from there and when it came out, I actually and
I'm I guess I'm bragging a little bit. I had
three different studios that were interested in possibly doing a

(01:35:46):
film project on this, a movie. Now none, none of
it ever happened. And that's one thing I learned out
here in sunny southern California. Hollywood will murder you with hope, okay,
and then they'll cut your throat and they'll never even
tell you why. All right, that's true story. But anyway

(01:36:08):
it happens. When I first heard about this alleged case
was in the eighties. Now, my sister's husband. My sister
was a nurse. Her husband was a PA, a physician's assistant,
and he's the one that first mentioned it to me. Now,

(01:36:28):
back in those days, there was no internet, okay, no
internet anywhere, not until the late well, the eighties, the
late eighties and the early nineties is when the net
got its push. But there was no way I could
track down something happening in the UK. So then As

(01:36:51):
time went along and the Internet became basically available, I
did a little research on it because after I had
seen Vampires, the John Carpenter movie, that renewed my interest.
So I discovered another guy by the name of David Farrant.

(01:37:11):
Now Farrant was connected intimately with this Highgate vampire case
and the other guy a real maniac, crazy man, and
he tried to he tried to steamroller me when I

(01:37:33):
wrote a paper about this thing, basically exposing this guy.
His name was Sean Manchester, an absolute complete lunatic. Now Farrant, Okay,
was a funny guy. My god, he was a funny guy,

(01:37:53):
and we became we became friends, and he died several
years years ago. David did Manchester, as far as I know,
is still kicking around. But the guy was a pure
street theater. Now. I tried to get Manchester on my

(01:38:15):
radio show because, like I said, I'd been a vampire
fan forever, and this was before I knew how much
of this was cramped. But I was interested in the story.
So I had a very close friend in the UK,
an investigator over there by the name of John Spencer. Okay,

(01:38:38):
as a matter of fact, he at that time was
a part of the British UFO Research Organization and they
had my wife and I over there to speak had
gone over to the UK. So I called John up
and I said, John, look, I'm trying to get this guy.
Have you ever heard of him? He said, well, I
might have. I said, well, how about the Highgate vampire case?

(01:39:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well what do you think about that? Ah,
there's nothing there. I said, well, okay, but I'd still
like to get this guy. Now you got to realize
Manchester was doing a oh you know, Katie, get the
hell out of the way. I'm going to warn the world,

(01:39:21):
and there are vampires out there and they want to
turn you into a happy meal and all this kind
of business. And I said, well, god, I bet you
want to come on my show. Well, Spencer got ahold
of him, absolutely no interest and even talking to me, right, okay,

(01:39:44):
all right, well that's cool. So when my book came
out and I had gone up on Google. Hey, it
was a small publisher, so I wanted to get the
word out to as manyeople as I could. This book
passed sins was out there, and so I go on

(01:40:06):
this vampire thread list and I'm very gently mentioning my book,
and then I thought, what the hell, I'm going to
do this too, So I asked them the list at large,
are you familiar with the Highgate Vampire case? And if so, okay,

(01:40:31):
are you familiar with Sean Manchester. Well, the next day
my public email box was overflowing because one of the
things in this story was that this beautiful blonde girl

(01:40:54):
Okay that I read between the lines. Look, when you're
a cop, you do it for any lengths of time.
You got to learn and you better be good at it,
how to read people. And I read into this thing
that this guy Manchester and this gal Okay at some
point had a thing going. Well, Hey, she was a

(01:41:17):
good looking gal, and I could certainly understand that I'm
totally heterosexual. That's the way it is, and I'm more
power to you, bud. But then she was attacked by
his vampire, died, went out, was buried in this cemetery,

(01:41:41):
and just like all good vampires, she came back out
of the grave and our fearless vampire killer, Sean Manchester,
tracked her down. And when she turned into a giant
spider staker, now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
What asked, Well, I wrote.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
A paper, and I just skeewered this guy and he
went insane, And hey, look, this guy had a habit
of tracking people down on the Internet and then doing
shitty things like calling up their job. You know, they're

(01:42:31):
making accusations again, doing all kinds of nefarious stuff. Well,
he tried it with me and it didn't work. So
I had one of his surrogates attacked me on a
forum that I was on, and I did a little

(01:42:53):
investigation and I found out this guy's real name, where
he lived, the fact that he was married with a
couple of kids. So not that I would do anything,
but I mean help. He was in the UK anyway,
but I let him know online. Hey Steve, I know

(01:43:17):
your real name. Blah blah blah blah blah. He went apoleptic,
was shocked. You know what he did. He went to
the Metropolitan Police and filed a complaint against me. Karan
Caw Yeah, oh yeah, Hey, I'm telling you I got
a taste for the weird and it didn't get a

(01:43:39):
lot weirder than that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Yeah, I've gone through some stuff like that. Sounds almost
like Toefler Gloss. Hello, yeah, yeah, we can hear you. Hello,
can you hear us. Are you not hearing it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
Now? Did we glitch out again? No?

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
We can hear you. Man, you there much? That's weird,
can you guys? Everybody hear him? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
I could hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Yeah, I could hear him. Okay, I'll message him. I'll
tell him to join back in.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
I've got a crazy story. I've got a question for you, Darcy,
and I hope I'm not jumping in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yeah, you've heard of Linda?

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Have you heard of Linda Multen?

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Of course? How could you?

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Okay, Well, I have a strange story. I'm actually an artist,
to have been for over forty years. But when I
was younger, I had a very let's just say close up.
It wasn't a tiny dot in the sky, a close
up sighting. I could get to that later. But one

(01:44:53):
of my friends, I was in Yorkville in Toronto and
it's a very high end area, very wealthy people. Some
of the wealthiest in Toronto lived there. Oh yeah, condominium
that is very near to Yorkville Station. Amazing place. You
walk in, people will escort you, bring your luggage, take

(01:45:16):
it to your place. And I stayed there helping with
an arts project through a gentleman's very very wealthy, probably
shouldn't use names, but very amazing supporter of the arts
and musicians and poets and laureates, you name any of
the types of arts. Theater I had a theater in Kensington.
He helped and supported us, and I met many of

(01:45:41):
his friends. And one of the people that I met
was this person who was unemployed at the time, really nice.
God liked him quite a bit and we had quite
a few parties that would happen on the top. I
believe I'm just gaestinating thirty floors beautiful view at the
top of the condominium right in the heart of York

(01:46:01):
Film in Toronto, and I was actually there. There was
a waiter who's supposed to be there, a couple of them,
and they didn't show up for this event, and I
wound up running this event from start to finish.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
I then.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
I became I became the waiter for this event and
at the one point I unveiled painting that was mine
and this guy, I should mention his name. He's an
unemployed at the time filmmaker the documentary films. He did
some work for a Discovery Channel a couple of films
and he had hooked up with Linda Bolton how afterwards

(01:46:44):
and come up with what you might know as the
mantis creatures, millions that look like okay, okay, so well,
and I have to tell you, I'm a I believe okay,
I've seen things close up. I don't just believe. It
changed my life. It made me go on a quest
for science. But let's go back to the topic at hand.

(01:47:06):
What happened that night was I ran the event, I
ran the party, and I'm just gonna tell you what
happens at these high scale events. Well, one of the
things they did is they had this giant bowl. I've
never seen a bowl this big in my life, by
the way, massive ball, beautiful bul that they set up
in the center, full of mushrooms, magic mushrooms. So let's

(01:47:27):
just say this event got very strange. It was a
birthday party and it was for the post of the
party who I was helping, who had actually sadly gone blind,
and I was helping him out.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
I'm a cook.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
I do many things, so I decided to help him
out and helped to serve everybody and take care of everybody.
What I met with through Hilton through these peed lash
and it says name through this gentleman. It was Sid,
this filmmaker who eventually he up with Linda Moultenhowe. Now

(01:48:02):
this gentleman wound up sitting in a chair. I remember,
like one of the rolling chairs that you'll see, a
small chair they roll around on wheels, Just a tiny chair,
nice foam back, and it wasn't the biggest chair. And
he wound up sitting in it in like a lotus position,
you know, like like a meditative position. Turns out meditating.

(01:48:27):
What are you doing? I had met him several times,
a great guy, very intelligent, and so he's in this
meditative states and this is in the heart of Yorkville. Well,
the mantis story didn't happen in your film. Apparently it
happened in BC. But sometimes they hide those facts. I
understand that authors will do this. Well. I was commissioned afterwards.

(01:48:53):
My friend had taken quite a few of those goodies
from the bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
I was busy serve wine and looking after people and
cleaning up messes. And eventually, throughout this event I wound
up meeting the you know, the Moufon crew. Am I
pronouncing that correct? I'm you, okay. I met these people,
so I wound up hosting other parties and events with
them later on. It was kind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
It's very weird, great.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
People, fantastic people, and they were from the Toronto Group,
the Canadian Group. So the person hosting this very wealthy.
He was helping them as well, hosting these events for free.
Two to three hundred people show up. We'd go to
the rooftop and he had complete the entire rooftop to himself,

(01:49:43):
the entire pandas sweet and everything, amazing, amazing space. So
we're all sitting up there and this is very upscale,
and my friend is just sitting there, I'll say, mister
s And he's sitting there in this lowest position for
three hours straight, doesn't move. We're concerned. We're looking on

(01:50:03):
everybody's kind of like he had quite a few of
those mushrooms, you know, and we're just kind of wandering
by every He's still there. He's still there, and he
didn't stop. At the end of this, he came to
me again. He's an unemployed filmmaker at the time, and again,
I really don't want to quash anything. I'm just I

(01:50:26):
believe in the truth. And I've never told you this,
anybody this before. I'm a skilled illustrator. I guess that's
what I've done for my whole life. And he asked me,
he said, can you help me? Can you help me
to create a vision of what I saw that night?

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
What you saw?

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
All I saw was you sitting in the cherry. He said,
what do you explained me? I had this UFO sighting.
I was on the roof and I went out. I'm like,
he just sat in the chairleyachire night. He didn't move.
We all were like, you just he moved. He hasn't moved.
He hasn't moved. Well, the story changed and I just
kind of went along with it, you know, like he's
paying me money. He also had money. He wasn't poor unemployed,

(01:51:07):
but he you know, ned very beautiful car. He seemed
to you know, he wanted to get to work. I
remember that he was looking for work, and my friend
who hosts many people, was helping him, putting him up
for a while. I give him somewhere to stay and
trying to hook him up with contacts for jobs and
maybe some documentary films. So in the advent of this,

(01:51:29):
he stayed there for about a month. In this time,
I wound up helping him to create the illustrations for
those manuscreatures. I made them, that's me, but they changed,
youw the images that you see they're popular, were not
the images I created at first. But I was directed
to create images and he was like, yeah, that's it exactly.

(01:51:50):
And they come to me like a couple of days later,
but you know what, I'm going to change this and that.
And then now it happened here, it didn't happen there.
Everything changed, and it was so gradual. It's a gradual process.
Suddenly this changes. I've done police sketches for artists for
as a police sketch artist. I've done this for the
police to capture criminals. A couple of times I was

(01:52:13):
actually successful. It's kind of a big deal to me.
That's very nice to help out. This was different. Things changed,
Things evolved, These creatures changed, the locations changed, the additions
to the story. Everything changed so much. And when the
book came out, I was kind of shocked that everybody
just grabbed onto it, you know, because this vision, this

(01:52:36):
vision that he had was in his head while he
was meditating. None of the physical stories actually happened that
were portrayed in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
So was this sid that kind of told this story revolution,
Like was it I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Say, I'll say mister S. But yeah, I probably should
have said a name. And again he's a great guy.
But I'm sorry, I'm sorry, But I believe in truth.
I believe you be locked if you if you build lies,
builds a wall. And they're now lying about everything. I've
never told anyone this before, but like, the truth has

(01:53:13):
to be told, you know, of course the truth and
truth always comes out. So this is I mean this,
there's this motivation that people have to tell stories to
create these narratives and these things that have happened, and
it's it's crazy because my learning experiences, these stories come
out more than the truth, right, truthful story of what

(01:53:35):
happened in Toronto and the sightings that happen there with
thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people seeing these
UFOs very close up and all over the city for
over two and a half weeks. We're hidden, hidden for
public views. They're not like you Roswell stories, they're not
like the other stories, and they're hidden. They're hidden there,

(01:53:56):
they're buried, you know, controlled narratives and then these other stories.
You can just make up anything and well yeah, yeah,
and you know what like and the big move And
what I've learned is and I'm going to break away
from that story because I feel bad telling it, but
I'm going to tell you that what they're trying to

(01:54:17):
hide is technology. Technology exists. I'm not going to get
into it, but let's just say I've researched my entire
life and right now we're the fourth. By twenty thirty,
we're all going to see this same technology that everybody's like,
well those are the UFOs.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
Actually, by twenty thirty, we're all going to be going, oh,
that's what that is. We have this technology. They're hiding
technology from us right now. It exists right now, right now. Yeah,
free energy, andy gravity, all of these things, all of
these things, and propping up every crazy, crazy story. I mean,

(01:54:55):
if you want to make we're aliens, let's let's turn
out idea.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
I gotta cut you off, man, because I gotta land
the plane. We're going one minute from now to end
the KGr space. So I appreciate you coming up, but
always let me just switch over to mute so I
can say goodbye to the listeners on the KGr stream.
Thanks for coming up, thanks for telling us that it's

(01:55:22):
very interesting. I just want to thank everybody out there
listening check out this show. Every week on a Wednesday night,
we do a live space on Twitter allow people like
Revolution to come up speak. You know, we had down
who is an amazing historian and investigator in the UFO field.

(01:55:46):
Every week we do this at the same time and
we have sometimes different guests. We talk about UFO news,
you know, current events, that type of stuff, and if
you want to follow, just go to at O Cult
Journeys on Twitter or you know, check my Instagram out
Darcy Weir Films. Yeah, happy to have you up to

(01:56:11):
speak and join the conversation like we usually do every week.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
So thank you, Mundy, blessings, my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Thanks, thank you. I'm going to just play the little
outro here and we'll keep the conversation going for a
little bit, so stick around on Twitter.