October 2, 2024 • 55 mins
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
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About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
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Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
https://www.instagram.com/darcyweirfilms/
https://www.youtube.com/@OccultJourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
https://www.instagram.com/ny_uap_discussion/
https://www.youtube.com/@UFOCompilation
The song used in the intro, I purchased and remixed through Humble Bundle. Here is the original file name: KS_C_01_Conspiracy_F#m_84_Full Mix_Demo.wav
Under the Cimmerius audio collection. This was licensed through the Epic Music Producer 2022, licensed to Darcy Weir.
The legal license details are below.
These are the license terms for the Humble Software Bundle: Epic Music Producer 2022.
1. A License grants to the Buyer a non-exclusive and non-transferable lifetime worldwide rights to use music assets in multimedia projects like online videos (also YouTube), websites, animations, games, films, etc. Purchaser can use assets in own personal use and commercial projects.
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
You're listening to last night on UFO Twitter on kg
r A Radio. It's my best radio announcement so far.
Hello everybody from UFO Twitter as well as kg R
Radio k g R A. This is the second show.
(01:06):
So I'm going to kick off the show, of course,
with my friend Dale from pastor Dale from UFO Twitter.
He's a friend of mine. I'm just going to pipe
in the Twitter side of things. Here. Give me a sec.
(01:30):
How's everybody doing tonight. We've got a couple of requests.
Nick Gold Welcome, Welcome. Let me just figure.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's going out share share here we are Hi, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Can you hear me? My first question?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I can hear you, Dale, Welcome. The folks on KGr
around there they can hear you too. So what I
like to do when I start this show with Dale
is basically have him come in and speak about something
(02:15):
enlightening because the world is a little bit dark right now.
We got war, famine, disease, corruption and politics, the truth
being hidden from us about UFOs or UAP and the
community itself. The community is infighting constantly, right We got
(02:38):
all kinds of people testing each other's willpower. So tonight's
subject is abduction and we're going to go to Dale
to have a little story with us, talk about what
is up in the world of experiencers. Go for it Dale.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh thank you Darcy.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
What I want to do, what my goal is, what
Darcy's asked me to do, is to bring words of hope,
wisdom and inspiration. And so this is going to be
the second week in a row I've done that. I
want to start off by just reminding you. Last week
I talked about the words that are spoken to us,
and I said, be careful who you listen to. This week,
(03:25):
I want to move on and talk about the words
that we speak to others. You see, words matter because
people matter. I said, words matter because people matter. Last
week Darcy talked about his world history teacher. Darcy's teacher
failed as a teacher because he told Darcy what he
(03:45):
could not do instead of what he could do. Darcy's
teacher should have been inspiring him to reach for the moon.
I mean, that's what great teachers do. They inspire their
students to reach for the moon.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Words matter? Why because people matter?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know, I love youap Twitter for people who are
interested in the subject, there is no better place to go.
I've met some incredible people here and I just want
to say that I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I love this community.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But as Darcy mentioned, there is a problem in this
community as well. I've had some friends attacked because they
had a different view on the subject than others did.
And I'm not talking about trolls here. They are angry
and hurt people trying to spread their anger and pain
to others. I can sympathize a little with them because
I know hurt people hurt people. Let me say that again,
(04:41):
I can sympathize a little with them because I know
hurt people hurt people.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Even though I can sympathize.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
A little with them, what they are doing is abusing
other people and there is no justification for that. I
for one, am not willing to be their victim, and
so I blocked them. Why because words matter? Now ex
is filled with crazy stories. What I've discovered is that
(05:10):
they only seem crazy until they start happening to you.
I think many of you have probably experienced that as well. Now,
there is one subject that seems to bring a lot
of controversy, and that is alien abductions.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Some of these stories sound crazy, and especially when they
come from people who appear to be disturbed.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I have wrestled with those people myself.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
But then I wonder are they telling these stories because
they are disturbed or are they disturbed because the stories
are true because these things really did happen to them,
And so I try to give everyone the benefit of
the doubt. Now, Lou talks about alien abductions in his book,
not that he studied them, but more specifically, he.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talked about alien implants in his book. And so let
me just say this.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
If alien implants are real, then alien abductions are real
by necessity. I mean, how did the implants get there
if they were not, if these people were not abducted.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Hopefully we've gotten to.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
The point now where we can have a serious conversation
about alien abductions, because there are far too many people
coming forward for them all to be crazy, for all
of this to be fantasy. Now, I'm not advocating that
you have to believe every story. What I'm advocating is
that we let people share their stories, and once they
(06:38):
have shared their stories, we shouldn't attack them just because
their story sounds crazy. Why because words matter because people matter.
And the other thing I want to warn against is
we've got to make sure for those that were abducted
that we don't victimize them a second time by attacking them.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now here's why I bring this all up.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Darcy has created a beautiful space for us to share ideas.
Anytime you have this many people together, they're going to
be opposing views. And so let me encourage you to
not attack someone just because they have a different view
than you do, especially in such a beautiful group like this.
Ufo Treehouse is such an amazing name for this group.
(07:22):
You know, it takes me back to when I was
a kid, where me and some of my friends would
go and hang out in this treehouse we had built.
I mean, we talk about everything under the sun, and
while we might tease each other, we would never attack
each other because we had different ideas. In fact, my
youngest daughter nailed a difference between kids and adults recently.
(07:46):
She said, Dad, it's hard to talk to adults because
they are fixed in their opinions, whereas most kids are not.
They are flexible when it comes to new ideas. And
so that's what I'm asking everyone here to be, to
be flexible, to be open minded, and to always remember
that words matter because people matter.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Love it Dale, thank you so much for those kind words.
You know often you are inspiring people. Pastor Dale, what
a good man. Please stick around. How you feeling by
the way, you were pretty under the weather last week?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, I have been healed. You have been a lot better,
a whole lot better.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's awesome a man. Thank you for balancing back for us.
And yeah, it's really good to have you each week.
You know, speak your piece before we kick off. The
craziness of the phenomenon. So you know, you mentioned that abductees.
(08:52):
Let's say, you know, experiencers are the wider breadth of
people that have witnessed the phenomenon. So you've got people
that have just seeing a UFO in this guy or
in the ocean, what have you. You've got people that
also maybe obscene non human intelligence people reported that type
(09:15):
of thing. But then the abduction phenomenon to be taken
most of the time without your will, you know, beyond
without consent, as Philip Mantle named one of his books,
to be taken without consent, is that abduction and humans
(09:37):
do it to each other. But if we expand our
minds and think for a second that maybe we're not
alone in this universe, whether that's a non human entity
from another star, another dimension, another place on this planet,
in like a shadow biosphere. Let's say, Well, then you're
(10:01):
talking about something a little bit different, and that is
scary too many people. Many people shun the idea that
it's even possible that we could be abducted. And you know,
maybe there are some Charlatans out there, Maybe there are
some people that create these ideas and stories in their
(10:25):
head and then they broadcast them to the rest of
the world for their moments in the spotlight, for that
fifteen minutes of fame, so to speak, or longer. But
if one of these cases is real, out of the
hundreds and thousands that have been reported around the world,
(10:45):
I mean this is this is a common phenomenon. If
you start looking in to the history of it, the
abduction side of things seems to be something that's very
commonly reported, you know, pale abductions, things like the story
of Enoch being taken to the heavens and educated by
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non human intelligence on how to live in society as
a new sort of modern human being. All of these
stories need to be factored in when it comes to
our history and a possible non human intelligence. And like
(11:30):
I said, if one of these stories is absolutely true,
it's incredible, it's mind bending. This is like the biggest
story that's been held back from humanity. So, you know,
let's start off there. Let's talk about abduction. We got
(11:52):
Andy on the stage. If you want to talk, feel free.
I think you're on Miked. You're also a co host,
so feel free to bring other speakers up and kick
them at will if they're being annoying. Uh kg r A.
Folks will look out for your questions on the different
platforms that we're streaming to as well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You know my stance on this, I've already I've already
had my my experiences with the possible abduction in my life.
It's one of the reasons why I it's one of
the things that pushed me to start my page because
I know I knew how impactful it was just to
(12:39):
see something up close, but I also know how psychologically
damaging it can be to experience something like that, And
I know it's one you know, unfortunately people have. They're
not not everybody is in the right state of mind.
(13:00):
To be able to believe, you know, the stories that
they tell, because unfortunately, there are some people out there
who allow that to basically cloud there, to cloud reality,
I guess in a sense, and they create this this
this other reality of theirs that they end up believing.
(13:21):
And it's what makes this subject so difficult to study,
because you know, the human mind is very difficult to
you know, to to understand to begin with, and when
you add this that's already something odd and something weird,
mix it with that, it just makes it almost an
impossible topic to to properly, you know, dive into and
(13:43):
and get factual information from. I'm not saying that people
have to believe in my account, but I consider myself
very logical and level headed individual. There's nothing wrong with me.
I just know that what I experienced was real. I
(14:04):
don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Why did you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Can you tell us what happened to you? Like what
your story was? That that seemed anomalous and you're not
sure what happened?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, it happened a couple of weeks after I had
my sighting here a long island. My I called it
a close encounter because you know, the object that I
saw was only about one hundred and fifty two hundred
feet away from me.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
There was a disc covering over my house.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But a few weeks after that, at an incident in
my room where something woke me up in the middle
of the night, and as I was sleeping, I felt
something at the foot of my bed, but I thought
it was somebody walking around or you know, just my imagination.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And after a.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Few minutes of just laying there, you know, listening, and
I didn't have my eyes open, I had them closed,
but I was conscious, I felt another imprint, like an
impression on the foot of my bed on the right side.
And that's what I kind of was like, all right,
am I imagining is or this this really happened because
I just felt this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So as I'm laying there just waiting to see what happened.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
The first impression moves over to the side of my waist,
while the other impression that was by my you know,
my foot, moved to the other side.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Of my waist.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And then I felt two more by the by the
foot of you know, by the foot of my bed,
by my feet again, and the ones by my waist
moved to the side of my shoulders than the ones
around my feet to the side of my waist. And
at this time, by this point, I'm terrified because I realized, Okay,
(15:48):
I'm not imagining this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't want to open my eyes.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Because I'm too afraid of what I might see, or
at least that's what my mind was telling me that
I was, you know, not to open my eyes. I
tried moving at one point, but it was almost like
I was paralyzed of fear.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's that's what the impression I got throughout.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
The encounter, out the entire throughout the entire encounter, and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
At one point, as I'm laying there.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I can feel like, uh, like something right in front
of my face.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I could.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I can hear my breath and feel my voice bouncing
back off you know, whatever it was, and hitting back
on my face.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And then I stopped breathing.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
But it wasn't from an external force, like if something
was choking me from the outside. It felt like something
was blocking my air away from the inside. And I
started like gasping for air, as if I was drowning.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And at that.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Point, you know, as scared as I was, and and
for people that you know that that'd never been in
a situation, the situation is scary because your your mind.
I mean, at least in my situation, I had my
eyes closed the whole time, so my mind is filling
in what I can see with the most scariest things
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I've ever experienced or things I've seen in movies. So
I made it even more terrifying to open my eyes
because I didn't want to see what it could have been.
And eventually, when I couldn't breathe no more, I forced
myself off. I said, screw it, if I'm going to die, because.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
At that point I thought I was going to die,
I was like, might as well see what's gonna do it?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And I sat up up the bed, and at that
time I was going to church a lot, Christian church,
and it was basically like, you know, God helped me
and I sat up and took a deep breath and
ended up just being in my room. But for many
years I attributed, as you know, sleep paralysis. And it
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wasn't until I started researching abduction cases that I just
couldn't I couldn't believe how many people had the exact
same experience. But some people had their eyes open and
saw what was happening to them. And the crazy thing
is that a lot of these experiences they weren't in
their room.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So there's a very good possibility that I wasn't even
in my room.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's just the last place my mind remembers me being at,
which is why I attributed myself being in my room.
But it could have been that I wasn't even in
my room at all.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow, that's trippy. Thank you for sharing that with the crowd.
I just wanted to say welcome to Carlos disclosure memes
Vetti Ruby from England, Ursula telling the compelling You're a
good man Christian, Dave Fultch hope you're doing well, Bud Nick, average,
(18:47):
Chris Man. I am a bunch of these people I
don't know yet, so I'm just saying hi to who
I know in the UFO Twitter communities. So far, Welcome, Welcome,
Feel free to jump up and speak if you want.
I wanted to go back to Dale for a second here. Dale,
(19:08):
you told me, you know offline. I don't know if
you're comfortable with this, but uh, you know you have
your pastor and you're part of a congregation, I guess
you would say, and you have actually had experiences with
other experiencers in the church or abductees. Am I right
(19:31):
in saying that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yes, you are correct.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And the reason why I've had access to them and
been able to talk about it is because they know
that I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you know, I haven't really made this public, but
I have my.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Own story, you know, I don't really I don't think
I'm ready to share it today. That's fine, it's pretty
raw and uh, but you know, I had little last year.
I had like six different synchronicities going on and just
really drove me to try to go get some answers
and stuff. But the reason that they come to me
is because they know that I'm open to us.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now, I don't push this on.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Anybody in the church, you know, I just the people
that are interested.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They know.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The ones that are not. I'm not going to push
it on them because they're not ready for it. But
I've got at least two abductees, and I have another
person who had a siding back in nineteen sixty eight
that there's no way you can explain it well.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think that is something that the community has been
trying to explain for decades. Now, let's break down abduction
just really quick. Here is in what's entailed in the
experience that's reported by many of these people we call abductees.
So we've heard people discuss a strange encounter that sometimes
(20:57):
is seeing a UFO or seeing a light and then
seeing some kind of entities. Some people have reported grays
that type of thing, and this is kind of like
the capture moment. Then many different abductees they report an
examination going on, often inside of a ship or a
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room that looks like futuristic light emanating from walls, a
table that seems to like almost be cut right out
of the floor, that type of thing, right, And often
in these examinations they have sexual experiences, sometimes DNA taken,
(21:47):
and on top of that, they have reproductive materials sometimes taken.
This is what's been reported by many different researchers in
the field, like A. Hopkins, all these people that he
interviewed back in his day. He's no longer with us.
David Jacobs was also an abduction researcher. David Jacobs more
(22:11):
famously was a doctor and did hypnotherapy in his sort
of psychological practice. Bud was an artist that started doing
hypno therapy. Famous for you know, doing paintings and stuff
like that. Interestingly enough, and he came from New York.
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But you know, you have other really interesting things that
happen in this abduction phenomenon. You have a tour that's
reported sometimes the captors, UH say that they get to
see around a ship where they get shown events from
the future, often dystopic or you know, kind of doom
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in futures that many abductees have reported, and these future
projections serve as like warnings. Let's say people do often
report loss of time, this is called missing time in
Bud Hopkins treatment of it, and then they report being returned,
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and there's an aftermath. That aftermath usually includes like ontological shock,
people being hypnotized and they get these memories back that
maybe they weren't. You know, I've heard people explain hypnotherapy
(23:47):
or hypnosis as a form of unblocking memories. But really
I had this explained to me pretty sustain Lee, and
I do agree with it. I think that hypnosis really
is a form of relaxation. It allows people to take
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down their walls and relax to a degree that they
feel like opening up about an experience that may not
necessarily be something they'd want to divulge without that relaxation,
without that sort of prep to get to a place
(24:34):
where they can really open up to the person they're
speaking to. And you know, there are skeptics out there,
which we have to respect their opinion. They do believe
in the idea of false memory syndrome where these people
(24:55):
are just conjuring ideas or memories out of nowhere with
their imagination and that is being put there to serve
as this kind of reality that they've made. But what
if they're not conjuring a false reality? You got to
(25:18):
kind of look at both, right, And I think famous
abductees to bring up who are worthy of noting are
obviously Travis Walton. This was in the nineteen seventies that
he had his experience. There was multiple witnesses, four other
guys that got light detector tests and Travis was subjected
(25:42):
to that. There was also people that saw UFO activity
around the time in Arizona near Snowflake, Arizona, where his
encounter happened. So you got that that's a pretty interesting case.
You do also have Betty and Barney Hill. That's the
most famous case that happened in the nineteen sixties, and
(26:08):
this is an African American and white couple, so they
were pretty let's say, rebellious for their time to follow
the love that they did. But you know, many skeptics
out there thought that maybe it was an intention seeking thing,
(26:29):
or they had watched they'd watched what is it, Outer
Limits or something the week before, and in the Outer
Limits was this first like graphical representation of a alien
that had large eyes that wrapped around the side of
a bigger head. But the interesting thing again with their
(26:54):
case is that a lot of things lined up. UFO
activity was happening at the same time in that area
of the world that they were traveling, so other people
were reporting this UFO activity as well. The Air Force
took interest. They took radiation recordings from their car where
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their car actually had some strange material burns or something
like that on top of the paint of the hood
of the car and that type of thing. So there
was just things like that. Later on, Betty drew like
kind of like an idea of where the people were
from that took them. Supposedly they were from Zeta Reticuli,
(27:43):
which is a binary star system, and this was told
to the people that were interviewing her and investigating this
case that the captors were from Zeta reticular Lie and
believe it or not, in astronomy, the Reticuli system was
(28:06):
not even identified as a binary star system yet with
in the sixties that they just didn't even have telescopes
or the methods to figure out that that was true
in space. And well, I guess they knew that there
could be theoretically star systems like that. But later on,
(28:30):
I think in the nineteen eighties astronomers turned their sites
to Zeta Reticuli and found out it was actually a
binary star system and they called it Zeta Reticuli A
and Reticuli B for the two stars there. So I'm
meamering on here is there? I guess one other thing
(28:54):
I could mention that you guys could talk about is
the fact that Roger Lear was a pioneer in surgery
on alleged abductees. This was a man I I can't
remember what state he came from, but he was involved
in investigating all kinds of interesting cases. He investigated the
(29:18):
Virginia incident down in Brazil. I think James Fox got
a lot of the tapes and stuff from from that
research those research days that Roger Lear did, and he
also investigated this famous case in Turkey where it looked
like this sort of like chevron shaped craft was hovering
(29:42):
over the ocean, and everybody debates whether you can when
you when it zoomed in, you could see this like
alien or two aliens kind of looking out of a
window of this craft. Really interesting stuff, and that that
sighting was seen over a long period of time. It
wasn't just that one video. Many people in that area
(30:05):
of Turkey were seeing that over I think the course
of weeks or months. But Roger Lear did abductee surgery
and Patient seventeen was one of Jeremy Corbel's earlier documentaries
where they took an object out of that patient number seventeen,
(30:30):
as Roger Lear would record, and it was apparently a
foreign object. And Roger had been basically recording quite often
that these objects emitted a radio signal, they might have
even had some kind of way of moving. And Louel
(30:53):
Zondo's recent testimony on Ross Coltheart's Special News Nation was
that there was literally an object removed from somebody that
had threads coming out of it. And you know, this
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was a real foreign object that the person who had
that implant said was an abductee. Thoughts comments jump off.
Anybody got simulation metrics?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I believe was.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Simulation metrics. Yeah, we requested to speak, Uh sure, pop
them up.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, how y'all doing.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It's really.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It's really getting down to the wire about all the
stuff that's happening. Actually saying some videotapes of the X
files for NASA, and uh, the ones that they produced
that show to the human whip's fake because I've seen.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
The real deal.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
And uh, I couldn't believe it, because they were filming
stuff spaceships, things, you know, on the planet of the.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Moon and Mars too.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
So I kept a secret for two years, and I said,
you know, what everybody's doing disclosure, I might as well
go ahead and just say something about it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And I wouldn't doubt that they would probably.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Uh, I think the Senators and the congressmen already seen
these tapes. They just didn't show it to the uh,
the regular human race.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yet.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I believe some of these people have already seen these things.
So I said, well, I might as well say something
about it, you know. But I kept a secret for
two years because they wasn't really safe to say anything.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Why do you tell us a bit about your background?
Simulation metrics? Sounds like you're on the side of a
road right now.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Uh, I could go in here and be quiet, but yeah,
I do feel research I'm trying to get up. I
found an ancient civilization in Mount Whitney. I've seen portals.
It's the Dona where a bird disappeared. I was on
the coast of California one time doing research on a
motorbike and a stargate came down from a planet or
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a star. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'd have to do more research on that part.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wow, that's interesting, man. Hey, can I just can I
ask you for a second? Can we come back to you?
I think we're going to talk about abduction right now,
but your your story is very interesting. I'd love to
hear more about the portals and the interesting stuff you found.
But do you mind if we go to somebody else?
I got j just up here, She's got her hand,
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go for it, j just.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Yeah. So you were talking about implants and what's his name? Lear?
So Lear had another doctor that did these surgeries with him.
I believe in research, and he was recently Eric Mitchell,
who he's an abductee. I'm sure you know who he is, Darcy, right.
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So he had a whole program on it with this doctor.
It was really really interesting if anyone's interested. He has
a YouTube channel and you can see the They really
talk about the data and the different aspects, and the
doctor himself is also he claims to be an abductee,
so he had a lot to add, which is interesting
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things that I've never heard before.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What did you think of that News Nation special where
they showed the like implant that lou had gone? Are
you talking about who? Was that?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The same targument? I'm talking about Eric Mitchell. He's an
abductee on here. He's actually he was in involved with
Michael Masters. He has a whole story with Michael Masters.
I don't know if you've heard it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I have seen Eric Mitchell's account on Twitter. I know
he wears like a backwards hat or something like that
in his vital Yeah white dude, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
So he's like a really strong experiencer. His story is
quite incredible. I mean, like he said, he was totally changed,
his personality, his IQ, everything, and he is friends with
this woman do who's also an experiencer and they have
a channel and they have a really good piece, like
(35:45):
a really good video interviewing this doctor and talking to
him and they go through all the aspects of this.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well, you should message him. I'd love for him to
jump up, that would be great. But we do have
what's up?
Speaker 8 (36:07):
No, you don't want that guy and herr?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He's nuts.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh how you doing, Joel? Good? Good to have you
up here, buddy.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
He's nuts, but he's got the doctor does the influence.
So uh, he actually has information.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So well, hey, look, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
He's repeating what you said. He's not nuts. He's an experiencer. No,
I don't know an experiencer nuts.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
No, no, no, it's not it's not that he's nuts because
he's an experiencer that he is nuts who also happens
to be an experiencer.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
I'm not correlating whatever. He's an experiencer, so and he
has data. I'm not commenting on his personality. I don't
know him personally.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He's a.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Racist, and I don't think that i'm an experiencer should
give you a free pass to just be a piece
of ship.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
That's just me.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
I haven't seen him be racist, but you know you no,
I'm just saying he's got the top, all right, all.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Right, let's just you know, I love you, you love me?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, had his hand up.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, let's uh, let's go back to Pastor Dale good Man.
He can comments on this situation. I will just say briefly,
you know, there are some unhinged people out there, and
and maybe the phenomenon causes that breakdown. Maybe it causes
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issues with people long term, and that's what even hurts
their credibility when the rest of society listens to them
and and hears them talk.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So well, we'll we'll see, we'll see if that's the
case with everybody.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
But well, can I just say something, Darcy, just you know,
like the doctor who worked with lear is being interviewed,
so there's information there if anyone's interested. You know, you
can judge him by meeting him and talking to him,
and and you know everyone has their good and bad.
I don't know him that well, and I don't know
(38:20):
what milk fer it's talking about, but all I've seen
him is deep behind and outspoken about his experiences.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
And we can check it out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, is there like a link or something at who's
the door you can go.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
You can actually go to his timeline and find it.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Look up Eric Eric Mitchell, Okay, maybe I will.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
I'm sure Milk Park notes.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'll find it. While you're talking to Pastor Dale Dale,
do you have something to say?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
One of the things that I brought up is words matter,
because people matter, and I think it's really important that.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
We respect people even if we disagree with them.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
And one of the things I think that people don't
understand is even if it is something that's in their head,
especially when you're talking about abductees.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
They have literally.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Lived the same experience, even if it's in their head
as somebody who's gone through an actual abduction. And so
I'm just big about letting people tell their stories. And
you know, you don't have to believe it, but they
ought to. They have to have a right to at
least have some sympathy, and people ought to listen to them. Now,
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the thing I wanted to talk about was the fact
that what I find interesting about these implants is because
when a foreign body goes into our physical bodies, there's
an immune reaction. But what they're discovering is that there's
like our own tissue surrounding it, so it does not
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create that reaction. And I just think that's just so
interesting and that makes it, you know, where it's feasible,
because otherwise everyone's going to say, how in the world
can they put something in your body's going to fight
against it.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
But there seems to be this, you know, a layer
of our own.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Material around it to keep it, you know, from having
that reaction that you know.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, well I've seen it actually being like having nerves
attached to it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Actually yeah, yeah, well I believe I saw them where
they were able to detect some kind of a signal
or something and being emitted from it as it was
attacked that when it was removed, basically just kind of
it's like almost to use the human body as a
battery to activate, and when it was removed, it shut off.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
One of the men say in this in this in
this video, and they also say that the scoop marks,
they're basically using the whatever is in there to create
that caps. Yeah, that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh wow, that makes sense. Yeah, using the person's own
genetic material to create like a little pocket, right, that's interesting. So, yeah,
something that's fair to note in medical science, like if
you get some problems that have been had in the
past with transplants people have had, like experimental liver transplants
(41:30):
or lung transplants or you know whatever. The body usually
rejects transplants, and it's hard for that to take root
and for the body not to reject it. So often
people who do get transplant transplanted parts have to take
(41:52):
anti rejection drugs to keep themselves alive using an organ
that's foreign. And one of the famous things that Roger
Lear kind of one of his quotes from doing these
many abductees surgeries where he removed these transplants, he said,
(42:14):
if we could figure out the science of how these
transplants are able to stay within the body of the
abductee without having to take you know, anti rejection drugs,
we could revolutionize like our medical industry, right something like
(42:34):
that is what he said. So you know, go look
it up. But let's go back to KMF. What's what's up, man?
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, I just I don't know if anyone knows the answer.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
But when they find the pocket or whatever that like
forms around the implant, is that any different from like
what the body does when like you get a shard
of metal stuck in body, because it'll do that, it'll
do a similar sounding thing, like it'll attack it with
white blood cells, try to create a barrier between the
rest of your body and it. But if it's something like,
(43:10):
you know, a piece of gold or lead, like, it's
not going anywhere. So I'm wondering if, if, if what
we're seeing is sort of like a similar thing to
like a metal splinter.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, I think that's a very valid point. And like,
you know, shrapnel has been found in war vets that
have come back from the battlefield and uh it, you know,
something's been bothering them in their leg or their their
back or arm or something for years and finally they
go to a doctor to remove a piece of shrapnel
(43:42):
and and it works just like that. Your body often
kind of surrounds the shrapnel with some kind of scarred
tissue to protect the rest of your body. Right, So, hey,
that's that's a very valid point. I don't know if
all this abductee stuff is shrapped all, but you know, again,
(44:02):
if just one case is real where somebody has truly
been taken by a non human intelligence, this could fracture
our reality in a certain way. You know, the mainstream
says this is not real. So it's interesting. Uh J
Just I think your hand's up too, or am I
(44:22):
missing hands? Andy? You can pipe in any time here.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Well, I wanted actually to ask the pastor of question
because I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I used to I was.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
I was heavily into church for many years, and after
my experience and the experience that I had in my room,
my my views on all of that changed. Now I'm
curious to know what. I'm curious to know how you
view this, especially when it comes to the whole abduction thing.
(44:57):
Being a man of God, like the you have some
kind of convictions in how you view this subject.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Being a pastor and preaching the word of God.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Well, let me start by saying, when I came in
to study this subject, I knew I had to set
aside in my religious beliefs because I knew that they
would taint everything I saw, and so I put them
aside for the first two or three years. And because
I wanted to look at this, you know, just based
on the evidence.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But you're not asking that question to me.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
The one question that holds me as far as believing
in God. The one thing that keeps me anchored is
that there has to be somebody that's always existed.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
You can call them God, you can call them whatever.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
But you know, if we look and say, well, this
person was created by this person and by this person,
eventually you have an impasse because if everybody is created
from somebody, else where did the first person come from?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And so for.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Me, the most logical excuse are logic here is that
there has to be a being that's always existed. You
can call God or whatever, and so that part is strong.
But I'm going to be honest with you. I'm a
man of faith. I'm not a man of religion because
I hate religion, to be honest with you. It's done
more damage than anything else. I think Jesus hated religion
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as well. You know, I think what Jesus said the greatest,
the great commandment is which is two part love God,
love people. And he said that summed up the entire
the profits in the Law. And what most people don't
understand is that was the Bible at that time. When
you talked about the prophets in the Law and so
the entire Bible. I mean, if you look at the
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New Testament today can be summed up in those things.
So I don't need religion. What I need is love,
and so this isn't an issue with me as far
as a moment of whether my faith is real or
whether it's not. I'm not going to tell anybody else
what to do with their thinking or their faith. But
for me, it's it's not an issue because if I
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believe there's a God, and I believe he created the universe,
then it's not very hard to think, hey, he created everything,
and so therefore if there are other species, and I
believe there are on other planets or other dimensions, whatever
you want to look at, you know, that's not a
that's not an issue for me, And I don't think
it's an issue for most of the Christians I know either,
(47:29):
because they just simply Okay, God created somebody else, and yeah,
maybe some of these other species are not very nice,
you know, some of them. But I don't, like I said,
I don't want to categorize it as one thing. That's
the one thing I think where why we get into arguments,
why we get into fights, is one person says it's this,
another person says it's that, But the reality is why
(47:50):
can't it be this that in maybe nine other things. Yeah,
and so for me it's not an issue. For me,
it's not an issue. I don't see a conflict at all.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah. I am not a religious person at all. Have
said it many times in other spaces or speaking engagements.
I have an atheist view on life that this is it.
This is the chance you get. Your consciousness probably stays
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in your body, and when you die, that consciousness is gone,
and you know, whatever you made of this existence is
that's the best you get. So that sounds kind of boring,
but the way I kind of equate, you know, if
you did have this kind of like philosophical teacher like
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Jesus at one point, maybe he was a real man.
Maybe he was trying to say to disciples and people
that would listen that there's a better way to live
while you're here. Life can be on this planet heaven
or can be help. And the way that you treat
each other, the way that you act, the you know,
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decisions you make are what is going to affect that
reality that we're all cohesively sharing. And I feel like,
you know, around the world, we're seeing this reality kind
of fallen apart. Right now, We've got so much bad
just a lot of bad things happening around the world, right,
(49:31):
and religion has not changed that reality. It hasn't saved mankind.
I don't think we're killing each other. We're destroying the planet.
We are making a mess of things, and we're being
pretty selfish, you know. I like to think that there's
(49:51):
got to be some other way to live. But I
respect people's religious views. They can live their life the
way they want to as long as they're not pushing
it on me or my kin. Let's talk to asap
Rocky Mahomie. How you doing, buddy, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm good, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 9 (50:14):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, my thoughts on this,
like my experiences have sort of guided my view on
you know, consciousness and the soul, and so I personally
don't you know, I don't want to get into debate here.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think that there's something else after this.
Speaker 9 (50:32):
But I also feel like at the same time, religion
many times was describing phenomena and things that maybe we
didn't have context for all the time, and I found
this today. It's a coincidence that you guys happen to
be talking about this right now, but I was I
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just came across this that Saint Teresa of Avala she
wrote in her her diary about these experiences that she
called raptures where she she's kind of explaining like a
sleep paralysis type situation. Her body gets all tight and
she can't move. She feels like somebody's choking her. She
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sees these short beings next to her. She calls them angels,
but then and they they like, you know, pierce her
with a spear a few times, and it's like intense
pain and all all this stuff right, and to me,
like this sounds like an abduction experience, but you know,
(51:37):
I'm who am I to take that away from somebody.
At the same time, if after that that helps bring
her closer to you know, to God or whatever it is, right,
But at the same time I think that there can
be there can exist, but both things right, and we
could be dealing with.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh, we can hear you, Dave. You got audio brother.
Speaker 9 (52:06):
He can't hear me, I guess, but on my hair
announced we need to recycle, Dave.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Probably, yeah, Dave, why don't you drop down, just switch
to listener and then pop back up and your audio
issues will be fixed. But asapp finish your thought there,
and then we two minutes and fifty seconds away from
going off air on kg R A radio. So what
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else did you have to say there, Bud?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I'll just button it up. I guess.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Dave is back.
Speaker 9 (52:44):
I agree with the observer of anomalists objects that I
think that there can exist both and they're likely is
a multitude of things that we're interacting with. And you know,
I think there are many ways to connect with a
source or God or whatever whatever that is that you know,
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the universe, you know, whatever it is that helps you
to become a better person and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
So but yeah, I just found it interesting.
Speaker 9 (53:16):
It really does sound like a classic abduction type scenario
to me.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, that is pretty interesting. I think people could describe
that as like a paleo abduction case, right, kind of
like Enoch or something.
Speaker 9 (53:31):
I mean that was only like five hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, but I think, yeah, maybe it's not paleo. It's
an ancient abduction, ancient aliens abduction. Who knows. But you know, great,
thanks for offering that. If anybody else wants to add something,
and you know, the pillbox and talk about that in
terms of the abduction phenomenon, please feel free to I've
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got one minute to go off air. So what I'm
gonna do is say thank you all KGr listeners for
joining us tonight tomorrow wherever you're listening to this Spotify
YadA YadA. Every week, we're gonna come back and have
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to jump up on Twitter in a Twitter space that
we host so that you can be heard. And yeah,
we have some additional content for subscribers, which you can
check out in the after show. So thanks again. I'm
going to go to the outro. Just hold on for
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a second here, folks.
Speaker 8 (55:00):
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You're listening to last night on UFO Twitter on kg
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Hello everybody from UFO Twitter as well as kg R
Radio k g R A. This is the second show.
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So I'm going to kick off the show, of course,
with my friend Dale from pastor Dale from UFO Twitter.
He's a friend of mine. I'm just going to pipe
in the Twitter side of things. Here. Give me a sec.
(01:30):
How's everybody doing tonight. We've got a couple of requests.
Nick Gold Welcome, Welcome. Let me just figure.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's going out share share here we are Hi, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Can you hear me? My first question?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I can hear you, Dale, Welcome. The folks on KGr
around there they can hear you too. So what I
like to do when I start this show with Dale
is basically have him come in and speak about something
(02:15):
enlightening because the world is a little bit dark right now.
We got war, famine, disease, corruption and politics, the truth
being hidden from us about UFOs or UAP and the
community itself. The community is infighting constantly, right We got
(02:38):
all kinds of people testing each other's willpower. So tonight's
subject is abduction and we're going to go to Dale
to have a little story with us, talk about what
is up in the world of experiencers. Go for it Dale.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh thank you Darcy.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
What I want to do, what my goal is, what
Darcy's asked me to do, is to bring words of hope,
wisdom and inspiration. And so this is going to be
the second week in a row I've done that. I
want to start off by just reminding you. Last week
I talked about the words that are spoken to us,
and I said, be careful who you listen to. This week,
(03:25):
I want to move on and talk about the words
that we speak to others. You see, words matter because
people matter. I said, words matter because people matter. Last
week Darcy talked about his world history teacher. Darcy's teacher
failed as a teacher because he told Darcy what he
(03:45):
could not do instead of what he could do. Darcy's
teacher should have been inspiring him to reach for the moon.
I mean, that's what great teachers do. They inspire their
students to reach for the moon.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Words matter? Why because people matter?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know, I love youap Twitter for people who are
interested in the subject, there is no better place to go.
I've met some incredible people here and I just want
to say that I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I love this community.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But as Darcy mentioned, there is a problem in this
community as well. I've had some friends attacked because they
had a different view on the subject than others did.
And I'm not talking about trolls here. They are angry
and hurt people trying to spread their anger and pain
to others. I can sympathize a little with them because
I know hurt people hurt people. Let me say that again,
(04:41):
I can sympathize a little with them because I know
hurt people hurt people.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Even though I can sympathize.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
A little with them, what they are doing is abusing
other people and there is no justification for that. I
for one, am not willing to be their victim, and
so I blocked them. Why because words matter? Now ex
is filled with crazy stories. What I've discovered is that
(05:10):
they only seem crazy until they start happening to you.
I think many of you have probably experienced that as well. Now,
there is one subject that seems to bring a lot
of controversy, and that is alien abductions.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Some of these stories sound crazy, and especially when they
come from people who appear to be disturbed.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I have wrestled with those people myself.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
But then I wonder are they telling these stories because
they are disturbed or are they disturbed because the stories
are true because these things really did happen to them,
And so I try to give everyone the benefit of
the doubt. Now, Lou talks about alien abductions in his book,
not that he studied them, but more specifically, he.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talked about alien implants in his book. And so let
me just say this.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
If alien implants are real, then alien abductions are real
by necessity. I mean, how did the implants get there
if they were not, if these people were not abducted.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Hopefully we've gotten to.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
The point now where we can have a serious conversation
about alien abductions, because there are far too many people
coming forward for them all to be crazy, for all
of this to be fantasy. Now, I'm not advocating that
you have to believe every story. What I'm advocating is
that we let people share their stories, and once they
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have shared their stories, we shouldn't attack them just because
their story sounds crazy. Why because words matter because people matter.
And the other thing I want to warn against is
we've got to make sure for those that were abducted
that we don't victimize them a second time by attacking them.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now here's why I bring this all up.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Darcy has created a beautiful space for us to share ideas.
Anytime you have this many people together, they're going to
be opposing views. And so let me encourage you to
not attack someone just because they have a different view
than you do, especially in such a beautiful group like this.
Ufo Treehouse is such an amazing name for this group.
(07:22):
You know, it takes me back to when I was
a kid, where me and some of my friends would
go and hang out in this treehouse we had built.
I mean, we talk about everything under the sun, and
while we might tease each other, we would never attack
each other because we had different ideas. In fact, my
youngest daughter nailed a difference between kids and adults recently.
(07:46):
She said, Dad, it's hard to talk to adults because
they are fixed in their opinions, whereas most kids are not.
They are flexible when it comes to new ideas. And
so that's what I'm asking everyone here to be, to
be flexible, to be open minded, and to always remember
that words matter because people matter.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Love it Dale, thank you so much for those kind words.
You know often you are inspiring people. Pastor Dale, what
a good man. Please stick around. How you feeling by
the way, you were pretty under the weather last week?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, I have been healed. You have been a lot better,
a whole lot better.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's awesome a man. Thank you for balancing back for us.
And yeah, it's really good to have you each week.
You know, speak your piece before we kick off. The
craziness of the phenomenon. So you know, you mentioned that abductees.
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Let's say, you know, experiencers are the wider breadth of
people that have witnessed the phenomenon. So you've got people
that have just seeing a UFO in this guy or
in the ocean, what have you. You've got people that
also maybe obscene non human intelligence people reported that type
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of thing. But then the abduction phenomenon to be taken
most of the time without your will, you know, beyond
without consent, as Philip Mantle named one of his books,
to be taken without consent, is that abduction and humans
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do it to each other. But if we expand our
minds and think for a second that maybe we're not
alone in this universe, whether that's a non human entity
from another star, another dimension, another place on this planet,
in like a shadow biosphere. Let's say, Well, then you're
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talking about something a little bit different, and that is
scary too many people. Many people shun the idea that
it's even possible that we could be abducted. And you know,
maybe there are some Charlatans out there, Maybe there are
some people that create these ideas and stories in their
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head and then they broadcast them to the rest of
the world for their moments in the spotlight, for that
fifteen minutes of fame, so to speak, or longer. But
if one of these cases is real, out of the
hundreds and thousands that have been reported around the world,
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I mean this is this is a common phenomenon. If
you start looking in to the history of it, the
abduction side of things seems to be something that's very
commonly reported, you know, pale abductions, things like the story
of Enoch being taken to the heavens and educated by
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non human intelligence on how to live in society as
a new sort of modern human being. All of these
stories need to be factored in when it comes to
our history and a possible non human intelligence. And like
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I said, if one of these stories is absolutely true,
it's incredible, it's mind bending. This is like the biggest
story that's been held back from humanity. So, you know,
let's start off there. Let's talk about abduction. We got
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Andy on the stage. If you want to talk, feel free.
I think you're on Miked. You're also a co host,
so feel free to bring other speakers up and kick
them at will if they're being annoying. Uh kg r A.
Folks will look out for your questions on the different
platforms that we're streaming to as well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You know my stance on this, I've already I've already
had my my experiences with the possible abduction in my life.
It's one of the reasons why I it's one of
the things that pushed me to start my page because
I know I knew how impactful it was just to
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see something up close, but I also know how psychologically
damaging it can be to experience something like that, And
I know it's one you know, unfortunately people have. They're
not not everybody is in the right state of mind.
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To be able to believe, you know, the stories that
they tell, because unfortunately, there are some people out there
who allow that to basically cloud there, to cloud reality,
I guess in a sense, and they create this this
this other reality of theirs that they end up believing.
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And it's what makes this subject so difficult to study,
because you know, the human mind is very difficult to
you know, to to understand to begin with, and when
you add this that's already something odd and something weird,
mix it with that, it just makes it almost an
impossible topic to to properly, you know, dive into and
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and get factual information from. I'm not saying that people
have to believe in my account, but I consider myself
very logical and level headed individual. There's nothing wrong with me.
I just know that what I experienced was real. I
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don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Why did you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Can you tell us what happened to you? Like what
your story was? That that seemed anomalous and you're not
sure what happened?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, it happened a couple of weeks after I had
my sighting here a long island. My I called it
a close encounter because you know, the object that I
saw was only about one hundred and fifty two hundred
feet away from me.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
There was a disc covering over my house.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But a few weeks after that, at an incident in
my room where something woke me up in the middle
of the night, and as I was sleeping, I felt
something at the foot of my bed, but I thought
it was somebody walking around or you know, just my imagination.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And after a.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Few minutes of just laying there, you know, listening, and
I didn't have my eyes open, I had them closed,
but I was conscious, I felt another imprint, like an
impression on the foot of my bed on the right side.
And that's what I kind of was like, all right,
am I imagining is or this this really happened because
I just felt this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So as I'm laying there just waiting to see what happened.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
The first impression moves over to the side of my waist,
while the other impression that was by my you know,
my foot, moved to the other side.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Of my waist.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And then I felt two more by the by the
foot of you know, by the foot of my bed,
by my feet again, and the ones by my waist
moved to the side of my shoulders than the ones
around my feet to the side of my waist. And
at this time, by this point, I'm terrified because I realized, Okay,
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I'm not imagining this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't want to open my eyes.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Because I'm too afraid of what I might see, or
at least that's what my mind was telling me that
I was, you know, not to open my eyes. I
tried moving at one point, but it was almost like
I was paralyzed of fear.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's that's what the impression I got throughout.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
The encounter, out the entire throughout the entire encounter, and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
At one point, as I'm laying there.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I can feel like, uh, like something right in front
of my face.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I could.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I can hear my breath and feel my voice bouncing
back off you know, whatever it was, and hitting back
on my face.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And then I stopped breathing.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
But it wasn't from an external force, like if something
was choking me from the outside. It felt like something
was blocking my air away from the inside. And I
started like gasping for air, as if I was drowning.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And at that.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Point, you know, as scared as I was, and and
for people that you know that that'd never been in
a situation, the situation is scary because your your mind.
I mean, at least in my situation, I had my
eyes closed the whole time, so my mind is filling
in what I can see with the most scariest things
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I've ever experienced or things I've seen in movies. So
I made it even more terrifying to open my eyes
because I didn't want to see what it could have been.
And eventually, when I couldn't breathe no more, I forced
myself off. I said, screw it, if I'm going to die, because.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
At that point I thought I was going to die,
I was like, might as well see what's gonna do it?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And I sat up up the bed, and at that
time I was going to church a lot, Christian church,
and it was basically like, you know, God helped me
and I sat up and took a deep breath and
ended up just being in my room. But for many
years I attributed, as you know, sleep paralysis. And it
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wasn't until I started researching abduction cases that I just
couldn't I couldn't believe how many people had the exact
same experience. But some people had their eyes open and
saw what was happening to them. And the crazy thing
is that a lot of these experiences they weren't in
their room.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So there's a very good possibility that I wasn't even
in my room.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's just the last place my mind remembers me being at,
which is why I attributed myself being in my room.
But it could have been that I wasn't even in
my room at all.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow, that's trippy. Thank you for sharing that with the crowd.
I just wanted to say welcome to Carlos disclosure memes
Vetti Ruby from England, Ursula telling the compelling You're a
good man Christian, Dave Fultch hope you're doing well, Bud Nick, average,
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Chris Man. I am a bunch of these people I
don't know yet, so I'm just saying hi to who
I know in the UFO Twitter communities. So far, Welcome, Welcome,
Feel free to jump up and speak if you want.
I wanted to go back to Dale for a second here. Dale,
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you told me, you know offline. I don't know if
you're comfortable with this, but uh, you know you have
your pastor and you're part of a congregation, I guess
you would say, and you have actually had experiences with
other experiencers in the church or abductees. Am I right
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in saying that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yes, you are correct.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And the reason why I've had access to them and
been able to talk about it is because they know
that I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you know, I haven't really made this public, but
I have my.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Own story, you know, I don't really I don't think
I'm ready to share it today. That's fine, it's pretty
raw and uh, but you know, I had little last year.
I had like six different synchronicities going on and just
really drove me to try to go get some answers
and stuff. But the reason that they come to me
is because they know that I'm open to us.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now, I don't push this on.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Anybody in the church, you know, I just the people
that are interested.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They know.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The ones that are not. I'm not going to push
it on them because they're not ready for it. But
I've got at least two abductees, and I have another
person who had a siding back in nineteen sixty eight
that there's no way you can explain it well.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think that is something that the community has been
trying to explain for decades. Now, let's break down abduction
just really quick. Here is in what's entailed in the
experience that's reported by many of these people we call abductees.
So we've heard people discuss a strange encounter that sometimes
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is seeing a UFO or seeing a light and then
seeing some kind of entities. Some people have reported grays
that type of thing, and this is kind of like
the capture moment. Then many different abductees they report an
examination going on, often inside of a ship or a
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room that looks like futuristic light emanating from walls, a
table that seems to like almost be cut right out
of the floor, that type of thing, right, And often
in these examinations they have sexual experiences, sometimes DNA taken,
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and on top of that, they have reproductive materials sometimes taken.
This is what's been reported by many different researchers in
the field, like A. Hopkins, all these people that he
interviewed back in his day. He's no longer with us.
David Jacobs was also an abduction researcher. David Jacobs more
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famously was a doctor and did hypnotherapy in his sort
of psychological practice. Bud was an artist that started doing
hypno therapy. Famous for you know, doing paintings and stuff
like that. Interestingly enough, and he came from New York.
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But you know, you have other really interesting things that
happen in this abduction phenomenon. You have a tour that's
reported sometimes the captors, UH say that they get to
see around a ship where they get shown events from
the future, often dystopic or you know, kind of doom
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in futures that many abductees have reported, and these future
projections serve as like warnings. Let's say people do often
report loss of time, this is called missing time in
Bud Hopkins treatment of it, and then they report being returned,
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and there's an aftermath. That aftermath usually includes like ontological shock,
people being hypnotized and they get these memories back that
maybe they weren't. You know, I've heard people explain hypnotherapy
(23:47):
or hypnosis as a form of unblocking memories. But really
I had this explained to me pretty sustain Lee, and
I do agree with it. I think that hypnosis really
is a form of relaxation. It allows people to take
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down their walls and relax to a degree that they
feel like opening up about an experience that may not
necessarily be something they'd want to divulge without that relaxation,
without that sort of prep to get to a place
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where they can really open up to the person they're
speaking to. And you know, there are skeptics out there,
which we have to respect their opinion. They do believe
in the idea of false memory syndrome where these people
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are just conjuring ideas or memories out of nowhere with
their imagination and that is being put there to serve
as this kind of reality that they've made. But what
if they're not conjuring a false reality? You got to
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kind of look at both, right, And I think famous
abductees to bring up who are worthy of noting are
obviously Travis Walton. This was in the nineteen seventies that
he had his experience. There was multiple witnesses, four other
guys that got light detector tests and Travis was subjected
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to that. There was also people that saw UFO activity
around the time in Arizona near Snowflake, Arizona, where his
encounter happened. So you got that that's a pretty interesting case.
You do also have Betty and Barney Hill. That's the
most famous case that happened in the nineteen sixties, and
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this is an African American and white couple, so they
were pretty let's say, rebellious for their time to follow
the love that they did. But you know, many skeptics
out there thought that maybe it was an intention seeking thing,
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or they had watched they'd watched what is it, Outer
Limits or something the week before, and in the Outer
Limits was this first like graphical representation of a alien
that had large eyes that wrapped around the side of
a bigger head. But the interesting thing again with their
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case is that a lot of things lined up. UFO
activity was happening at the same time in that area
of the world that they were traveling, so other people
were reporting this UFO activity as well. The Air Force
took interest. They took radiation recordings from their car where
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their car actually had some strange material burns or something
like that on top of the paint of the hood
of the car and that type of thing. So there
was just things like that. Later on, Betty drew like
kind of like an idea of where the people were
from that took them. Supposedly they were from Zeta Reticuli,
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which is a binary star system, and this was told
to the people that were interviewing her and investigating this
case that the captors were from Zeta reticular Lie and
believe it or not, in astronomy, the Reticuli system was
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not even identified as a binary star system yet with
in the sixties that they just didn't even have telescopes
or the methods to figure out that that was true
in space. And well, I guess they knew that there
could be theoretically star systems like that. But later on,
(28:30):
I think in the nineteen eighties astronomers turned their sites
to Zeta Reticuli and found out it was actually a
binary star system and they called it Zeta Reticuli A
and Reticuli B for the two stars there. So I'm
meamering on here is there? I guess one other thing
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I could mention that you guys could talk about is
the fact that Roger Lear was a pioneer in surgery
on alleged abductees. This was a man I I can't
remember what state he came from, but he was involved
in investigating all kinds of interesting cases. He investigated the
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Virginia incident down in Brazil. I think James Fox got
a lot of the tapes and stuff from from that
research those research days that Roger Lear did, and he
also investigated this famous case in Turkey where it looked
like this sort of like chevron shaped craft was hovering
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over the ocean, and everybody debates whether you can when
you when it zoomed in, you could see this like
alien or two aliens kind of looking out of a
window of this craft. Really interesting stuff, and that that
sighting was seen over a long period of time. It
wasn't just that one video. Many people in that area
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of Turkey were seeing that over I think the course
of weeks or months. But Roger Lear did abductee surgery
and Patient seventeen was one of Jeremy Corbel's earlier documentaries
where they took an object out of that patient number seventeen,
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as Roger Lear would record, and it was apparently a
foreign object. And Roger had been basically recording quite often
that these objects emitted a radio signal, they might have
even had some kind of way of moving. And Louel
(30:53):
Zondo's recent testimony on Ross Coltheart's Special News Nation was
that there was literally an object removed from somebody that
had threads coming out of it. And you know, this
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was a real foreign object that the person who had
that implant said was an abductee. Thoughts comments jump off.
Anybody got simulation metrics?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I believe was.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Simulation metrics. Yeah, we requested to speak, Uh sure, pop
them up.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, how y'all doing.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It's really.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It's really getting down to the wire about all the
stuff that's happening. Actually saying some videotapes of the X
files for NASA, and uh, the ones that they produced
that show to the human whip's fake because I've seen.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
The real deal.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
And uh, I couldn't believe it, because they were filming
stuff spaceships, things, you know, on the planet of the.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Moon and Mars too.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
So I kept a secret for two years, and I said,
you know, what everybody's doing disclosure, I might as well
go ahead and just say something about it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And I wouldn't doubt that they would probably.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Uh, I think the Senators and the congressmen already seen
these tapes. They just didn't show it to the uh,
the regular human race.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yet.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I believe some of these people have already seen these things.
So I said, well, I might as well say something
about it, you know. But I kept a secret for
two years because they wasn't really safe to say anything.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Why do you tell us a bit about your background?
Simulation metrics? Sounds like you're on the side of a
road right now.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Uh, I could go in here and be quiet, but yeah,
I do feel research I'm trying to get up. I
found an ancient civilization in Mount Whitney. I've seen portals.
It's the Dona where a bird disappeared. I was on
the coast of California one time doing research on a
motorbike and a stargate came down from a planet or
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a star. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'd have to do more research on that part.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wow, that's interesting, man. Hey, can I just can I
ask you for a second? Can we come back to you?
I think we're going to talk about abduction right now,
but your your story is very interesting. I'd love to
hear more about the portals and the interesting stuff you found.
But do you mind if we go to somebody else?
I got j just up here, She's got her hand,
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go for it, j just.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Yeah. So you were talking about implants and what's his name? Lear?
So Lear had another doctor that did these surgeries with him.
I believe in research, and he was recently Eric Mitchell,
who he's an abductee. I'm sure you know who he is, Darcy, right.
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So he had a whole program on it with this doctor.
It was really really interesting if anyone's interested. He has
a YouTube channel and you can see the They really
talk about the data and the different aspects, and the
doctor himself is also he claims to be an abductee,
so he had a lot to add, which is interesting
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things that I've never heard before.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What did you think of that News Nation special where
they showed the like implant that lou had gone? Are
you talking about who? Was that?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The same targument? I'm talking about Eric Mitchell. He's an
abductee on here. He's actually he was in involved with
Michael Masters. He has a whole story with Michael Masters.
I don't know if you've heard it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I have seen Eric Mitchell's account on Twitter. I know
he wears like a backwards hat or something like that
in his vital Yeah white dude, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
So he's like a really strong experiencer. His story is
quite incredible. I mean, like he said, he was totally changed,
his personality, his IQ, everything, and he is friends with
this woman do who's also an experiencer and they have
a channel and they have a really good piece, like
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a really good video interviewing this doctor and talking to
him and they go through all the aspects of this.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well, you should message him. I'd love for him to
jump up, that would be great. But we do have
what's up?
Speaker 8 (36:07):
No, you don't want that guy and herr?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He's nuts.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh how you doing, Joel? Good? Good to have you
up here, buddy.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
He's nuts, but he's got the doctor does the influence.
So uh, he actually has information.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So well, hey, look, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
He's repeating what you said. He's not nuts. He's an experiencer. No,
I don't know an experiencer nuts.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
No, no, no, it's not it's not that he's nuts because
he's an experiencer that he is nuts who also happens
to be an experiencer.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
I'm not correlating whatever. He's an experiencer, so and he
has data. I'm not commenting on his personality. I don't
know him personally.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He's a.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Racist, and I don't think that i'm an experiencer should
give you a free pass to just be a piece
of ship.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
That's just me.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
I haven't seen him be racist, but you know you no,
I'm just saying he's got the top, all right, all.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Right, let's just you know, I love you, you love me?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, had his hand up.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, let's uh, let's go back to Pastor Dale good Man.
He can comments on this situation. I will just say briefly,
you know, there are some unhinged people out there, and
and maybe the phenomenon causes that breakdown. Maybe it causes
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issues with people long term, and that's what even hurts
their credibility when the rest of society listens to them
and and hears them talk.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So well, we'll we'll see, we'll see if that's the
case with everybody.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
But well, can I just say something, Darcy, just you know,
like the doctor who worked with lear is being interviewed,
so there's information there if anyone's interested. You know, you
can judge him by meeting him and talking to him,
and and you know everyone has their good and bad.
I don't know him that well, and I don't know
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what milk fer it's talking about, but all I've seen
him is deep behind and outspoken about his experiences.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
And we can check it out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, is there like a link or something at who's
the door you can go.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
You can actually go to his timeline and find it.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Look up Eric Eric Mitchell, Okay, maybe I will.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
I'm sure Milk Park notes.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'll find it. While you're talking to Pastor Dale Dale,
do you have something to say?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
One of the things that I brought up is words matter,
because people matter, and I think it's really important that.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
We respect people even if we disagree with them.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
And one of the things I think that people don't
understand is even if it is something that's in their head,
especially when you're talking about abductees.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
They have literally.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Lived the same experience, even if it's in their head
as somebody who's gone through an actual abduction. And so
I'm just big about letting people tell their stories. And
you know, you don't have to believe it, but they
ought to. They have to have a right to at
least have some sympathy, and people ought to listen to them. Now,
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the thing I wanted to talk about was the fact
that what I find interesting about these implants is because
when a foreign body goes into our physical bodies, there's
an immune reaction. But what they're discovering is that there's
like our own tissue surrounding it, so it does not
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create that reaction. And I just think that's just so
interesting and that makes it, you know, where it's feasible,
because otherwise everyone's going to say, how in the world
can they put something in your body's going to fight
against it.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
But there seems to be this, you know, a layer
of our own.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Material around it to keep it, you know, from having
that reaction that you know.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, well I've seen it actually being like having nerves
attached to it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Actually yeah, yeah, well I believe I saw them where
they were able to detect some kind of a signal
or something and being emitted from it as it was
attacked that when it was removed, basically just kind of
it's like almost to use the human body as a
battery to activate, and when it was removed, it shut off.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
One of the men say in this in this in
this video, and they also say that the scoop marks,
they're basically using the whatever is in there to create
that caps. Yeah, that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh wow, that makes sense. Yeah, using the person's own
genetic material to create like a little pocket, right, that's interesting. So, yeah,
something that's fair to note in medical science, like if
you get some problems that have been had in the
past with transplants people have had, like experimental liver transplants
(41:30):
or lung transplants or you know whatever. The body usually
rejects transplants, and it's hard for that to take root
and for the body not to reject it. So often
people who do get transplant transplanted parts have to take
(41:52):
anti rejection drugs to keep themselves alive using an organ
that's foreign. And one of the famous things that Roger
Lear kind of one of his quotes from doing these
many abductees surgeries where he removed these transplants, he said,
(42:14):
if we could figure out the science of how these
transplants are able to stay within the body of the
abductee without having to take you know, anti rejection drugs,
we could revolutionize like our medical industry, right something like
(42:34):
that is what he said. So you know, go look
it up. But let's go back to KMF. What's what's up, man?
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, I just I don't know if anyone knows the answer.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
But when they find the pocket or whatever that like
forms around the implant, is that any different from like
what the body does when like you get a shard
of metal stuck in body, because it'll do that, it'll
do a similar sounding thing, like it'll attack it with
white blood cells, try to create a barrier between the
rest of your body and it. But if it's something like,
(43:10):
you know, a piece of gold or lead, like, it's
not going anywhere. So I'm wondering if, if, if what
we're seeing is sort of like a similar thing to
like a metal splinter.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, I think that's a very valid point. And like,
you know, shrapnel has been found in war vets that
have come back from the battlefield and uh it, you know,
something's been bothering them in their leg or their their
back or arm or something for years and finally they
go to a doctor to remove a piece of shrapnel
(43:42):
and and it works just like that. Your body often
kind of surrounds the shrapnel with some kind of scarred
tissue to protect the rest of your body. Right, So, hey,
that's that's a very valid point. I don't know if
all this abductee stuff is shrapped all, but you know, again,
(44:02):
if just one case is real where somebody has truly
been taken by a non human intelligence, this could fracture
our reality in a certain way. You know, the mainstream
says this is not real. So it's interesting. Uh J
Just I think your hand's up too, or am I
(44:22):
missing hands? Andy? You can pipe in any time here.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Well, I wanted actually to ask the pastor of question
because I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I used to I was.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
I was heavily into church for many years, and after
my experience and the experience that I had in my room,
my my views on all of that changed. Now I'm
curious to know what. I'm curious to know how you
view this, especially when it comes to the whole abduction thing.
(44:57):
Being a man of God, like the you have some
kind of convictions in how you view this subject.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Being a pastor and preaching the word of God.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Well, let me start by saying, when I came in
to study this subject, I knew I had to set
aside in my religious beliefs because I knew that they
would taint everything I saw, and so I put them
aside for the first two or three years. And because
I wanted to look at this, you know, just based
on the evidence.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But you're not asking that question to me.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
The one question that holds me as far as believing
in God. The one thing that keeps me anchored is
that there has to be somebody that's always existed.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
You can call them God, you can call them whatever.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
But you know, if we look and say, well, this
person was created by this person and by this person,
eventually you have an impasse because if everybody is created
from somebody, else where did the first person come from?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And so for.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Me, the most logical excuse are logic here is that
there has to be a being that's always existed. You
can call God or whatever, and so that part is strong.
But I'm going to be honest with you. I'm a
man of faith. I'm not a man of religion because
I hate religion, to be honest with you. It's done
more damage than anything else. I think Jesus hated religion
(46:25):
as well. You know, I think what Jesus said the greatest,
the great commandment is which is two part love God,
love people. And he said that summed up the entire
the profits in the Law. And what most people don't
understand is that was the Bible at that time. When
you talked about the prophets in the Law and so
the entire Bible. I mean, if you look at the
(46:45):
New Testament today can be summed up in those things.
So I don't need religion. What I need is love,
and so this isn't an issue with me as far
as a moment of whether my faith is real or
whether it's not. I'm not going to tell anybody else
what to do with their thinking or their faith. But
for me, it's it's not an issue because if I
(47:07):
believe there's a God, and I believe he created the universe,
then it's not very hard to think, hey, he created everything,
and so therefore if there are other species, and I
believe there are on other planets or other dimensions, whatever
you want to look at, you know, that's not a
that's not an issue for me, And I don't think
it's an issue for most of the Christians I know either,
(47:29):
because they just simply Okay, God created somebody else, and yeah,
maybe some of these other species are not very nice,
you know, some of them. But I don't, like I said,
I don't want to categorize it as one thing. That's
the one thing I think where why we get into arguments,
why we get into fights, is one person says it's this,
another person says it's that, But the reality is why
(47:50):
can't it be this that in maybe nine other things. Yeah,
and so for me it's not an issue. For me,
it's not an issue. I don't see a conflict at all.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah. I am not a religious person at all. Have
said it many times in other spaces or speaking engagements.
I have an atheist view on life that this is it.
This is the chance you get. Your consciousness probably stays
(48:21):
in your body, and when you die, that consciousness is gone,
and you know, whatever you made of this existence is
that's the best you get. So that sounds kind of boring,
but the way I kind of equate, you know, if
you did have this kind of like philosophical teacher like
(48:43):
Jesus at one point, maybe he was a real man.
Maybe he was trying to say to disciples and people
that would listen that there's a better way to live
while you're here. Life can be on this planet heaven
or can be help. And the way that you treat
each other, the way that you act, the you know,
(49:07):
decisions you make are what is going to affect that
reality that we're all cohesively sharing. And I feel like,
you know, around the world, we're seeing this reality kind
of fallen apart. Right now, We've got so much bad
just a lot of bad things happening around the world, right,
(49:31):
and religion has not changed that reality. It hasn't saved mankind.
I don't think we're killing each other. We're destroying the planet.
We are making a mess of things, and we're being
pretty selfish, you know. I like to think that there's
(49:51):
got to be some other way to live. But I
respect people's religious views. They can live their life the
way they want to as long as they're not pushing
it on me or my kin. Let's talk to asap
Rocky Mahomie. How you doing, buddy, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm good, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 9 (50:14):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, my thoughts on this,
like my experiences have sort of guided my view on
you know, consciousness and the soul, and so I personally
don't you know, I don't want to get into debate here.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think that there's something else after this.
Speaker 9 (50:32):
But I also feel like at the same time, religion
many times was describing phenomena and things that maybe we
didn't have context for all the time, and I found
this today. It's a coincidence that you guys happen to
be talking about this right now, but I was I
(50:53):
just came across this that Saint Teresa of Avala she
wrote in her her diary about these experiences that she
called raptures where she she's kind of explaining like a
sleep paralysis type situation. Her body gets all tight and
she can't move. She feels like somebody's choking her. She
(51:16):
sees these short beings next to her. She calls them angels,
but then and they they like, you know, pierce her
with a spear a few times, and it's like intense
pain and all all this stuff right, and to me,
like this sounds like an abduction experience, but you know,
(51:37):
I'm who am I to take that away from somebody.
At the same time, if after that that helps bring
her closer to you know, to God or whatever it is, right,
But at the same time I think that there can
be there can exist, but both things right, and we
could be dealing with.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh, we can hear you, Dave. You got audio brother.
Speaker 9 (52:06):
He can't hear me, I guess, but on my hair
announced we need to recycle, Dave.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Probably, yeah, Dave, why don't you drop down, just switch
to listener and then pop back up and your audio
issues will be fixed. But asapp finish your thought there,
and then we two minutes and fifty seconds away from
going off air on kg R A radio. So what
(52:33):
else did you have to say there, Bud?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I'll just button it up. I guess.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Dave is back.
Speaker 9 (52:44):
I agree with the observer of anomalists objects that I
think that there can exist both and they're likely is
a multitude of things that we're interacting with. And you know,
I think there are many ways to connect with a
source or God or whatever whatever that is that you know,
(53:06):
the universe, you know, whatever it is that helps you
to become a better person and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
So but yeah, I just found it interesting.
Speaker 9 (53:16):
It really does sound like a classic abduction type scenario
to me.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, that is pretty interesting. I think people could describe
that as like a paleo abduction case, right, kind of
like Enoch or something.
Speaker 9 (53:31):
I mean that was only like five hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, but I think, yeah, maybe it's not paleo. It's
an ancient abduction, ancient aliens abduction. Who knows. But you know, great,
thanks for offering that. If anybody else wants to add something,
and you know, the pillbox and talk about that in
terms of the abduction phenomenon, please feel free to I've
(53:58):
got one minute to go off air. So what I'm
gonna do is say thank you all KGr listeners for
joining us tonight tomorrow wherever you're listening to this Spotify
YadA YadA. Every week, we're gonna come back and have
a conversation with people from UFO Twitter, So feel free
(54:20):
to jump up on Twitter in a Twitter space that
we host so that you can be heard. And yeah,
we have some additional content for subscribers, which you can
check out in the after show. So thanks again. I'm
going to go to the outro. Just hold on for
(54:40):
a second here, folks.
Speaker 8 (55:00):
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