General Discussion on UAP

Tonight, Darcy discusses a wide range of Topics regarding UAP and other area of interest.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
This isn't going to work.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
But she's picking up a massive object in this video.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Ships that might be closed.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
I can sense them in my vicinity, so I guess
I'm just very tuned in.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Walk in head, honcho, walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the
crowd goes, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was to protect the secrets from the Air Force that
were not out there in public.

Speaker 6 (00:41):
So hello UFO, Twitter folks and.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
People on the intrawebs. I just wanted to say we're
a little late tonight. Tried to get Dawn on but
he does not use Twitter. So next week we're gonna
have him signed in via the KGRA Radio Twitter account
and we're gonna have an amazing conversation. I was really

(01:22):
looking forward to this, actually, but it didn't work out.
He's actually a pretty amazing investigator in terms of this
stuff that he's covered over the years. And it's wild because.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Things, the things that he's investigated, I've also investigated, and
he knows some really amazing details about some of those cases. So,
I mean, we're talking about cattle mutilations, space UFO, and
anomalous objects on the mood un and Mars and stuff

(02:03):
like that. You know, like Phobos two is one of
these cases that I've looked into, and let's just say
Phobos too.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
There's something going on there, but couldn't make it tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Sorry about that false flag, but we'll have a good
chat on Twitter. I'm gonna bring in everybody from the Twits,
the Twats, my homies here who made it out there?
We go, Hello, everybody, say hi, I feel like doctor Nick.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Oh what Yo? How's it going? Dale?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Why don't you start off the show with a regular
little message of positivity?

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Shall we?

Speaker 7 (02:57):
All right, I'm already I'm gonna catch ray for this
week is going to be.

Speaker 8 (03:01):
It is what it is.

Speaker 7 (03:04):
You know, sometimes things are out of control. Hey, life
is like that. Let me give you a scenario to
illustrate this. I suppose you have a job that you
really like. Then Monday rolls around, so you go off
to work. When you get there, everyone is talking about
the company meeting where all the employees are required to attend.

(03:25):
When you get to the meeting, you're surprised to see
the president of the company there. I mean, this guy's
usually too busy to attend meetings like this, But You
soon realize this is no ordinary meeting. You can feel
the tension in the room. The president comes forward and
you can tell it's bad news. Actually it's terrible news.

(03:45):
This meeting was held to notify all the employees that
the company was closing and that everyone would be out
of work. The company is just not viable anymore. It
is what it is now.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
The news is. It's devastating.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
You can scream, you can get angry, you can even cry,
but that will not change the fact that you are unemployed.
It is what it is. You know, life is like that.
I am not a religious person. I know that probably
sounds strange coming from a pasture, but it's true. So
I don't see myself as religious. I see myself as spiritual.

(04:24):
Having said that, there is a prayer that I think
applies to our discussion.

Speaker 8 (04:28):
It's called the serenity prayer.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
And he goes like this, God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to
change the things I can, and the wisdom to know
the difference. You know, there is a lot in light
we just have to accept because those things are out
of our hands. Thus the phrase it is what it is.

(04:53):
Now I want to apply that to the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
It is what it is.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
You see, we don't get to choose whether it's good, bad,
or a combination of both.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It is what it is.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
Actually, it'd be more accurate to say they are who
they are, they being the key word. I've fallen into
the trap of trying to put everything into one category.
You know, I'm optimistic by nature, and so it was
natural to see the phenomenon is all good, especially since
my interaction.

Speaker 8 (05:22):
With them have been has been positive. But I've also
learned that not everything out there is good. I will
leave it at that.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Steve Bassett is a friend of mine, and when I
tried to put an individual species of aliens into one
category of good or bad, he told me that it
was more likely that they were that within each species,
they were a combination of good and bad, just like us. Now,
that could be It could just be like anthropomorphism. Yes,

(05:54):
that's a fun word to pronounce. It simply means attaching
human characteristics to something that is not human. And these
beings are not human at least from what.

Speaker 8 (06:04):
I can tell.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Regardless of what or who they are, or even why
they're here, we really have no control over it.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
It is what it is.

Speaker 8 (06:14):
It is reality.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
For those who don't believe any of this, you know,
that doesn't really change a thing. It is what it is.
It is reality. My point is that we need to
accept reality. We can't change it, we can't control it.
It is what it is. All we can do is
accept it. All we can do is understand that this

(06:36):
is our new reality.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It is what it is.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Lovely, lovely little message there, Bud. I agree.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I mean, the world is a complicated place and we
don't necessarily shape everything, although.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
We are world builders. We are.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Imaginary, imaginative and thoughtful and you know, really almost like
divine beings in a way. The way just if you
look at how much we have changed the world in
terms of building this society that we live in, where

(07:22):
we can communicate thousands of miles apart from each other,
host shows like this on this wild and crazy social
media app that, let's be honest, is like every day
I log into it, it's like a warzone of different

(07:45):
beliefs and thoughts of how the world should be run.

Speaker 9 (07:52):
And you know, it seems lack a lot of people
just trying to burn it all down.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Ah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
There there are people I think that want to take
take some of the progress we've made and probably set
us back. But uh, I think there are some good
people out there, and I think the world is always
going to be here, regardless of whatever politically or socially
is going on that's currently affecting the current I guess,

(08:28):
uh reality that we live in. But I will say,
you know, to your point before Dale, when you're talking
about you know.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I will always try to inspire change that is not
just the status quo, like I'm talking in this community
about UFOs and all that stuff, because you know, it's
not a popular opinion and I could just say it

(09:03):
is what it is, but I'm trying to inspire, inspire
some kind of change regarding it isn't just what it is.
And then but to your point, you can only do
so much.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
That's why I did the serenity prayer. You know.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
The point is there are certain things in life that
we cannot change. You know, It's like my job right now.
I mean I've done everything in the world to try
to turn things around, and we're still struggling, and it.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
Is what it is. There's nothing more I can.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Do, and I just had to finally, instead of stress
myself out and you know and stuff like that, I
just had to find accept that I've done as much
as I can do and it's beyond you know, I
can't do any more than that, and so I have
to just accept that things are the way they are
because they're not changing. And sometimes things are like that
with your health, I mean another example. You know, there

(09:56):
are things in life that you have absolutely no control over.
And I know we want to be the masters of
our own future and we have some things that we
can change and some things that we can control, but
there are absolutely things, like I said, our health, sometimes
our jobs, sometimes our relationships where you know, there's nothing
we can do about it, and we just have to accept,

(10:18):
you know, that there's some things in life we cannot change,
and the things that we can change, we should change.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, and I want to. I want to change things
all the time. Everybody wants to try and make change, right,
meaningful change.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
But let's talk about we got.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Some Sometimes change is scary.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Okay, kim F tell me about that. What scares you
about change?

Speaker 10 (10:48):
Well, sometimes the biggest rudder adjustments. Sorry, sorry, for the
boat analogy just out here on the water, the slightest adjustments.

Speaker 9 (11:02):
Over a long length of time. You know, you can
change that rudder one degree, but you look ahead a
couple three four nautical clicks and you're one hundred miles
away from where you originally set out to be. So well,
change may be good, change can also be scary, So
make sure it's the change you want to make.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah, well, you're talking to an old sailor here, so
that really hits out.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
So yeh been a fog out there on the mortar night.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
What's your take currently on everything that's going on with
regards to let's say, Luna Paulina she held that press
conference recently. It's it looks like they're going after the
JFK files first, and but she did say that their

(12:00):
secrecy revolving around possibly UAPs, that they want to get
to the bottom of two What do you think about that,
sailor man, Carlos, you got your hand up?

Speaker 8 (12:18):
Yeah, no, I just wanted to real quick acknowledge.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
Oh sorry, I got apes over here.

Speaker 11 (12:25):
Hold on, Joe, I just want to acknowledge real quick. Afaldo,
who's in the listener. I really enjoyed his conversation you
had previously, Darcy was really good space. Really looking forward
to Donaker. Hopefully he'll be here next week. I remember
back in the nineties, you know, back in the nineties
and then early two thousands, for people like me, there

(12:48):
weren't a lot of outlets that you felt like supported.
You know, you usually feel alone and everything. Not a
lot of people talk to and so, you know the
limited media that was out there back then, Don Hecker
was one of those names that you constantly heard. And

(13:09):
though I don't remember much about his work back then
because that was like a long time ago, I'm really
looking forward to see what he has to say about
a lot of those cases that you were talking about.
I also want to say hello to Britt who you know.
He's he's the iced tea with the ice cubes. Normally

(13:29):
he's not in these spaces, but whenever he is, it
makes me, it makes me happy.

Speaker 8 (13:33):
He is. He's a good guy.

Speaker 11 (13:34):
And of course my brother from another mother, the King himself,
King Milford, love you buddy, thanks.

Speaker 8 (13:43):
For having me.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, so, Dawn, he really is like a ufo og
And the really cool thing about him is he's a
nobs kind of guy. I've actually had a chance to
speak with him on another kg R show before I
started hosting one, and uh, he just cuts right through
the bullshit and calls people out if he thinks they're

(14:09):
like lying, and I really like that about him. But
then he's you know, he used to investigate murders. He
was a criminal investigator. So this guy knows how to
follow a trail of facts and get to the bottom
of the truth, and he applied that.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
He actually was the original His wife started UFO Magazine.
Do you remember that back in the day. Do you
know UFO Magazine?

Speaker 9 (14:41):
Oh, I've definitely seen like stands of it.

Speaker 11 (14:44):
Yeah I don't because back back in the nineties, I
was I was growing up in Puerto Rico and and
that kind of stuff was very limited here too, So.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Oh okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, UFO Magazine it went on, it was sold eventually,
so they were the original owners, like his wife and him,
and he was the director of investigations for UFO Magazine.
Then they gave it to this guy Bill Ufo Magazine.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Let me.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Bill remember Bill Burns, He was like on that TV history. Yeah,
so the sort of trail of custody for that publication
was Don Ecker and his wife, and then they sold
it to Bill Burns and Bill Burns, you know, he
ended up having his own show on History Channel called

(15:39):
UFO Hunters and stuff. Don is pretty funny because I've
asked him like what do you think of Bill Burns then,
and he's like, he's fall as shit. So you're gonna
hear a lot of responses like that when we finally
do have him on, and he's just not a you know,

(15:59):
he's not the tech savvy guy. He wanted to just
do it through stream Yard and we were getting an
echo once we put it through my system here where
I'm getting the sound out of Twitter and then putting
that through to stream Yard. But anyways, he investigated, Okay,
one of his best friends back in the day was

(16:21):
John Keel, and John Keel is like huge, right in
terms of being a investigator of this phenomenon. So we'll
talk about all kinds of stuff and the things that
he found to do with cattle mutilations and space anomalies
with like UFOs and stuff like that. But yeah, what

(16:44):
do you think, Carlos, what do you think of the
Lunapaulina stuff? What do you think of this new administration
that's being very forward. I mean I never heard anything
like this come out of the Biden administration guarding that
they were trying to tackle secrecy like this.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
An ether genuine.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
So you questioned their authenticity in terms of conducting the
research that's going to be required. Okay, I don't think.

Speaker 9 (17:23):
I don't think they're interested in actual transparency.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
I think they're just looking.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
For for their power consolidate. Sorry, I got a big
fucking bird here.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
Hang on, I can, I can go real quick while
came situation.

Speaker 11 (17:42):
So basically, my my, you know, I've been hearing a
lot of people being very I guess, I guess giving
enough space for for these politicians to do their thing
in the hopes that they will I don't have that
hope in me, and especially with this administration and all

(18:02):
of these people, I think what I am going to
do from now on is avoid talking about what these
people are doing. And by these people, of course, I
mean the politicians, especially the MAGA people, because I don't
I feel like if I do, I'm getting in the
way of maybe some sort of potentially some sort of

(18:22):
this process for disclosure that can help. But but on
the other hand, it's difficult for me to to just
shut up because there's other things that these people are
saying and doing that really offends me. And I think
they're putting our country in danger and I'm very uncomfortable

(18:43):
with that. But as long as like for UFOs, I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna shut up and just not not.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
Talk about it.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Okay, Okay, I get it. Okay, you guys.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Are referring to like the other team, like the doge folks, right.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I can't speak for Carlos,
but me, yeah, I'm very worried about what they're doing
where they're dipping their hands and not so much. You know,
the argument I always hear is, oh, what's the matter.
Are you against finding corruption and fraud? It's like, no,
of course not. I'm against a South African national heading
into top secret computer networks.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, and kind of like meddling with the system that
might be delicate to say the least, right, like people
are relying on money flowing to them and.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
So on so forth.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I heard, I saw the press conference, the baby press
conference at Trump's Oval office, and you.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Know it's like.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
When I see that, it's I'm paranoid. Obviously, I'm in Canada,
so I don't know I should be paranoid because you
guys are going to invade.

Speaker 9 (20:01):
If we evade you, I will enlist in the Canadian
Army on your.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Side fight against Okay.

Speaker 11 (20:08):
I like you know, Another thing, though, Darcy, that that
really concerns me is that there is really not a
unified voice for disclosure from from the UFO community itself
towards like these politicians.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
And I am very concerned.

Speaker 11 (20:26):
That some of these politicians think that, you know, maybe
maybe disclosure is something something else for them than than
it is for us.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
You know, that it means something else.

Speaker 11 (20:38):
And what I'm really concerned is that these people will
disclose things that I personally wouldn't want them to disclose
because our enemies are listening. And when you have people
that I already distrust because they seem to be a
little too friendly with some enemies, then that's concerning to me.

(21:00):
And I'm not exactly sure if what I want is
what they're going to do.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, that's that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
And uh, you know, to be candid with you, I
had a conversation with somebody that's very far right in
terms of politically this individual, Jordan Sailor. He actually showed
up last on last week's show. You know, I I'll

(21:35):
talk with anybody. Hey, guys, Stephen Diners here, say hi
to him. Good guy. He's got his own podcast too.
I'm gonna invite him to.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Be a big fan co host.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Good dude, I just invited you, Steven. Feel free to
accept that we're gonna change this to the Stephen Diners Show.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Oh you're getting that. You're in the Stephen d all Right.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
So I went and made this docu series called Dark
Alliance right, two part docuseries, first season. I'm still working
on some other stuff regarding it. I think people might
actually get a kick out of this as I keep
doing more stories in this.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Sphere of influence in the UFO community.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Let's say, but I met Jordan that way, and this
was like three years ago now it was twenty twenty two.
I think that we met in Redding, California. Jordan was
kind of brought into the Corey Good and David Wilcock
gang early on because they realized this guy is a

(22:49):
influencer but to a younger crowd, and he speaks about
politics like and you know QAnon and all that stuff.
Maybe we can connect with that audience with our SSP,
you know, a new age Secret Space program story that
we tell. So I met with him in Reading, California.
We went to this this dance hall in the Mount

(23:13):
Shasta area, which was the very first conference they all
were at together except for David Wilcock, I believe.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
And you know, we filmed the interview and we hung out.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
We went for steaks after and stuff, and we smoked
this blunt Cari bought this like little John joint and
it was like covered in shatter on the outside of
the thing and then packed with like the most powerful,
like atomic grade marijuana I've ever smoked my life.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I had, like so.

Speaker 8 (23:51):
You you saw you saw Phobos up close.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Then I basically was in space like off of two hits,
and I got scared of my steak and I was
going through ego death in this like restaurant after we
did that. But you know, I got to know Jordan
and he's a I think he is a good person
deep down. And we were talking about the politics side

(24:16):
of things, and Trump was not in power at this time,
and I said to him like, what do you think
Trump is actually going to be able to do that's
better or whatever?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Right, And.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
At the time, you know, he said, there's this war
going on, things are starting to get more destabilized and
stuff like that. And I was driving at the time.
He was in the back seat, and I was like
asking him, like, you can this guy really solve problems

(24:53):
for the world or whatever, just challenging him a bit,
and he said, I think he ca And he says,
I think, based on my sources, that Trump has a deal,
and that deal is with Jieping and with Putin, and

(25:19):
what that deal is is that they're going to get
what they want on their side of the world, and
He's going to get what he wants on his side
of the world, meaning if China wants Taiwan, if Russia
wants to take over former Soviet Union countries, and on

(25:40):
our side of the world, Trump wants Canada, Mexico, whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So this was like three years ago, and I was
driving and I was kind of heckling him a bit
the whole time we're having this conversation.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
But I listen to people.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
When they tell me something, I listen and it, you know,
it sticks around especially if it's something like that.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Lo and behold.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Trump wins and a couple months before he takes office,
what does he say. He wants Greenland, he wants Canada,
he wants Mexico, the Gulf of America.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
And.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Uh, he invites Geping to his ceremony. He invites you know,
who knows, maybe even invited Putin. We don't know, but
that was very public that Jeeping was invited. I my
mouth dropped when I saw that being spoken about in

(26:46):
public media by Trump because it's exactly what Jordan had
told me three years ago, that there was a deal
and what Trump wanted, and people were playing it off
or playing it down. People were saying, oh, he's just kidding.
He's just trying to make a business deal that's good

(27:08):
with you know, reorganizing NAFTA and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
People do not get it. That is the deal, that
is what.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
He wants, and he's going to get it if it means,
you know, Canada becomes impoverished in the working of it.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
That.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think that's the scary truth of this whole situation
that people don't understand. So, you know, we started off
on a positive note, but that's that's just something I'm
sharing with you guys because I'm not like a gatekeeper
of information or anything like that. But I think that's
kind of how things are supposed to play out in

(27:52):
terms of this. I hope it doesn't go as far
as you know, these economic warfare moves being played out
in real time. I think long term Canada will suffer
if they try to actually enact tariffs, same for Mexico.

(28:15):
I just hope everything works out and we don't have
to have like major conflict. But that is it seems
like that's really what would happen in this case. And
I think we will see stuff happening on the other
side of the world in terms of China and Russia
starting to get what they want, and you might see

(28:37):
this play out. This whole deal thing that I'm talking about.
It's grim, but we're going to live through it. I
think I lost Steven. Maybe he just dropped down because
he didn't want to take part in this type of conversation.
But Dale, what do you what do you think would

(29:02):
you become a Canadian or can I become an American
in this situation?

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Well, I should warn everybody right up front. I am
not political, you know, when it.

Speaker 13 (29:14):
Comes to to the issue of disclosure. And the reason
I say that is because, you know, not that people
don't have legitimate concerns. I think that politicians on both
sides make decisions that are not necessarily good for people,
you know, And my fear is, you know, then we

(29:37):
become against each other.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
You know.

Speaker 13 (29:39):
It's those that hate Trump versus those who love Trump.
And it's Trump's one of those guys that you either
love him or hating. There's no neutral ground, there no
middle grounds. Kind of like the Raiders. You either love
them or you hate them, you know.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
So I don't know.

Speaker 13 (29:53):
I think it's okay to talk about the issues, but
I think it would be important to stay away from
parties because I think I think that only thing that
can do is divide us.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
And you know, so I'm more cautious.

Speaker 13 (30:05):
I just I think we're better together than we are,
you know, fighting with each other.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I agree, Steven, you're back. How you doing, man doing well?

Speaker 8 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (30:17):
Sorry about that. That happened last time I was on
with you too. I just like end up randomly dropping down.
I don't know if it's just something on my end
or I invited you.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I invited you to co host. Maybe that's why it
glitched out. I don't know if that changes anything, but
do you want me to invite you as a co host?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Whatever works, I'm here cool.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So what do you think Stephen regarding the current situation
with in Paulina doing that? Can that press conference talking
about they're going after the Jake JFK files and on
top of that, they're looking at the UFO transparency thing,

(31:00):
the secrecy going on around that issue.

Speaker 14 (31:04):
Yeah, it's it's really interesting to kind of try to
connect the dots. I mean, for anybody who knows who
knows my show, that's my big thing is, you know,
just kind of analyzing what's happening in front of us
and trying to connect dots here and there. And what
I see right now is this is, I guess I

(31:30):
hate to say planned out, but there's a roadmap here.
And what I mean by that is Tulfi Gabbard just
became Director of National Intelligence and I look at that
and I connected to Annapolina, Luna James Comer and what
what Luna said about the task force, which with it
being bipartisan, you know, we we saw in that last

(31:55):
congressional hearing, Democrats Republicans sitting together and at asking the
questions to the witnesses. So you know, Jerry Moskowitz is
good friends with them. He's a Democrat here down here
in South Florida where I'm at, and she's obviously very
big with the disclosure movement. And he's worked with Burchett in,
Nancy Mays and Luna when it comes to this, So

(32:17):
you know, that's that's somebody. This is maybe, I want
to say, one of the rare things, but it might
be the only thing that is like a bipartisan issue
where you actually see both parties working together. And I
connected with Tulci Gabber because what really struck me with
her is, well two things. Actually, this is someone who

(32:39):
started off as a Democrat. She was and for president,
you know what I mean in twenty sixteen, and then
she becomes independent and then works her way over to
the Republican Party before Trump ends up winning.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
And so she's been on both sides of the aisle.

Speaker 14 (32:56):
And you had her in her confirmation hearing in front
of the Semi committee there and her opening statement, her
opening statement where she mentions working on you know, uncovering
the secrets behind UFOs and UAPs, and she mentions all

(33:17):
these different things that Luna mentioned yesterday, nine to eleven
origins of COVID, jfk rfk MLK, So they seem to
be in lockstep.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
At the same time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 14 (33:35):
It's not like Luna made this task force in twenty
six She made it the day before or announced it anyway,
the day before Gabbard gets confirmed as Director of National Intelligence.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So I just think there's a lot there.

Speaker 14 (33:52):
I could be I could be wrong, but I just
think there's a lot there that says this is something
that seems like it's going to be on the forefront
for this administration. Why now, I don't know, but it's
being talked about a lot, even Trump Junior, you know
when he spoke to Ross Coltheart about this on his
on his podcast. So this is something that's in the

(34:13):
forefront for them.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, I agree. I think there is real to me.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, not everybody's going to agree on this, but
I think there there is some kind of effort to
uncover some kind of truths about all those issues that
you just listed, and you know, the death of Martin
Luther King, like, you know, was there some kind of
conspiracy there that that's wild. If we've got some kind
of answers jfk UAP secrecy, who knows about these special

(34:47):
access programs and stuff behind the seeds, we may get it.
I have heard people, you know, just be Devil's advocate
here and fair and balanced, there have been people that
have called Tulsi like Russian asset or something like that.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Enough about that in order to, you know, justify that
to be true. I'd need somebody to send me some.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Proof of that.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
But but yeah, I mean it is, it is what
it is, as Dale eloquently said earlier, And I think
we just need to see how things play out to
assess the situation better as it goes. We have Ophelia

(35:37):
up here. Ophelia, how you doing?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Can you hear us? Ophelia? Do you want to speak
anything to add.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Now? Then?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
All right?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
So what what's where you're?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Okay? Where when I saw you at Washington, d C.
Where were you coming in from?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I came in from Westbom Wow.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Okay, yeah, so you're coming from the other side of
the country.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (36:18):
So I came up, I got off the plane, got
to the hotel, took an Uber to Steve Bassett's office
and there there you guys were filming literally one boom boom,
boom boom.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
No rest is right in.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, it was a little bit similar to what I
was going through.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Honestly.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I arrived, I was Ophelia's Ophelia's coming up again. I
was running and gunning, and I interviewed Nick Gold in
that office, which I've got to edit that together. I
think it was really well, you know, a great discussion

(36:58):
that we had with Nick Gold. I think he's a
really smart guy and he's trying to push for transparency
on UAP declassify UAP as his thing. How have things
changed do you think in terms of the community that
you live in West Palm, Like, do you see people

(37:21):
being more and more open to this now, because like me,
growing up in Canada, not ever everybody's open to this.
You know, it's really not a conversation here, but it
is a big conversation I think in the United States,
Like I used to not really tell people about the

(37:42):
stuff that I did, like the stories I covered in
terms of being a documentarian.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
And now when I'm in the States, I do and
people go.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, there's all this weird stuff
happening with the government, and you know, it's in the
news all the time now, and what do you you
know that there might be something real?

Speaker 4 (38:03):
You know, how is that? Do you think the conversation
is changing in your community?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I think, you know, it's it's funny. Man.

Speaker 14 (38:11):
In South Florida, it's such a melting pot, And I
think it's it's a cool place to be because you
really get a nice barometer for I think how the
it's it's it's it's like a microcosm for the country
because there's just so many different people down here, from
different walks of life and different backgrounds, and so because

(38:32):
of that, you end up coming across people who are
like one hundred percent into it or people that are like, man,
it doesn't really affect me whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
So it's it's kind of like a little bit of both.

Speaker 14 (38:45):
But you know, then I have people write me messages
who who live down here and they listen to the
show and they're like, hey, you know, I saw this
off of you know, the coast. I'm in Delray Beach
and you know, which is pretty much in the same
area west and like, you know, twenty minutes thirty minutes apart,
or you know, I'm in Boyton Beach, or I'm in Jupiter,

(39:05):
all these different towns within Palm Beach County in South Florida,
and they're like, yeah, I see this stuff on the water.
And I got to tell you, I don't know, people,
if you have friends or family, or anybody in here
has friends or family in South Florida, if you live
in South Florida, there's a lot that goes on down
here in our in our skies.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And I don't know why that is. But I've been
told that before by.

Speaker 14 (39:29):
By you know, guys I talked to in intelligence. They say, hey, man,
you know, like we see a lot of reports like
in your area. And then I just get you know,
messages from people emails or messages on right here on X.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And they say, hey, you know, I saw this.

Speaker 14 (39:42):
You know I live here, and I'm like, this is
wild because I don't see anything.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know, I don't know why that is.

Speaker 14 (39:49):
And I forget who I was just talking to about this.
It was Jeff Newsatelli.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
That's right.

Speaker 14 (39:58):
I had them on last week and we we got
he was great. It's just fantastic guy. Jeff ne said,
tell you if you're not familiar with him. He has
the Vandenburg case with the red cube that was seen
flying over in two thousand and three, and then it
had his own experience at his house on base there
in Vandenburg.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Was he unbelievable?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Was he one of the pilots at the Vandenburg Air
Force Base or how did he witness that cube?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
So he wasn't one of the pilots.

Speaker 14 (40:26):
He's a law enforcement So he came on the base
and the first pilot sighting was already seen during the
day and he was coming in for his twelve hour
shift at seven pm, so he was working overnight law
enforcement on the base and he ended up happening again
at night. So it was reported twice this red cube

(40:49):
that was flying over Vanderburgh. And there's so the reason
why I brought that up is because I was.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
He was asking me.

Speaker 14 (40:57):
I think it was after we were done recording, and
he was like, you know, have you anything I'm like, no,
I don't know why that is like sometimes I just
feel like I was like, you know, I'm just here
to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (41:07):
It's very strange, but there's a lot that goes on
down here. And so, like I said, it's like hot
and cold. Some people will talk about all the time.
Some people are just like, eh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Did you ever get into the Gulf Breeze incident?

Speaker 14 (41:22):
You know, I I know of it, but I've never
covered it in depth before.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I originally thought that that was like the real deal.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Right. Who was the guy?

Speaker 8 (41:35):
Ed?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
No, Ed Gray was the mayor. He analyzed the photos,
But I can't remember the guy who.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Actually took the poll the five original polaroids.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Was it Walters? Something Walters?

Speaker 14 (41:57):
I'm not sure. I'm not I'm not familiar enough with
the name. I wish you could help get out.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
So I thought that these photos were legit and it
was all done it it was nineteen eighty seven and
nineteen eighty eight. What is interesting, and this happens a
lot in ufology and the history of UFO sightings. Many
people did see these UFOs from nineteen eighty seven and

(42:23):
nineteen eighty eight, Like hundreds of citizens in the Golf
Breeze area saw them flying over the ocean or over
the land, over houses and stuff. Right, those polaroids, though
they seem to have been actually double exposures, so there's
actually there's this these guys on YouTube that did like

(42:46):
a mini documentary on it, and they did it really well.
You can look it up like golf.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Breeze, UFO hoax or whatever.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
And they tried to get in touch with the guy
that originally took the photos. He would talk to them
on the phone, but he wouldn't like do a film
filmed interview or whatever, so that was kind of weird.
They went to the house where he originally had this
like UOFO encounter and then he says he got hit
by like a light beam and stuff and got telepathic

(43:15):
communications and all that which experiencers discuss all the time.
This is this is a possible reality to actual experiencers
with UFOs. But the type of polaroid, you know, the
old instant polaroid that printed out those little squares. You

(43:38):
could use this method where you could take the original
photo and make sure that the photo didn't pop out
the first time, and then the second photo would be
superimposed over top of the original background. And the investigator

(44:00):
is the guy that made these this YouTube documentary. They
practiced it and they made a model that looked exactly
like the UFOs in those pictures, and they took two
photos with the polaroid before it came out, and then
it came out, it developed and it looks like there's
the exact same UFO floating in the sky. So yeah,

(44:26):
that's that was like the tricky thing with that that
there was actually sightings. Many people thought, oh, this is real,
but maybe the photos were and that guy's story was
a hoax. Sorry, but it just seems that way. And actually,
if you look at the design of the UFO from

(44:48):
his his photos, they resembled exactly the type of craft
that were shown early on in the film Close Encounters
of the Fifth third kind Steven Spielberg's film, and so
it would make sense. And then there was a kid

(45:08):
who came out soon after all that was blowing up,
and this guy was being invited on Oprah and you know,
Larry King Live and everything to talk about his UFO
experience and these polaroid photos he took, and the kids
said he actually was holding the model up on like
a stick and a string connected to it in order

(45:33):
to help take the photos.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
With this guy.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
So there seemed to be like other witnesses that were
kind of corroborated that hoax.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Which was interesting.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
That's crazy and I didn't know went that deep. That's
pretty nuts, and it reminds me of something. I found
this so fascinating actually, And UFO Sarah, I know you'll
get kicked out of this too, because with Jason Sands
when he was on Joe Rogan a couple weeks ago,
I know he he mentioned you and he mentioned me
as well, which is really cool of him when he

(46:04):
was talking to Joe Rogan as far as people who have, like,
you know, shown him support and everything like that. And
the reason why I bring that up is because Joe
Rogan was talking to him and Lenvall Logan, who I
believe was on with him as well, and he mentioned
how there was this and I've never seen this, and
I was like, holy cow, I got to look this up,
but I still haven't. But Rogan was talking about this

(46:27):
like on the Street Experiment. It was like one of
the first shows that Rogan was a part of, and
he was telling them this story. He was it was
kind of like a candid camera type thing, and he's like,
we would get somebody go out on the street and
kind of like in Practical Jokers meets Candid Camera, we
would like tell them in their ear, hey, go up
to people and pull this prank. And so there was

(46:51):
this guy that they chose to make believe that he
was a news reporter and that there was a UFO
crash the day before, and the witness was there with
him to talk about the news, but he got scared
and left.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
So he said go and talk to people and say, hey,
this happened.

Speaker 14 (47:09):
Can you act like you're the witness because we have
to get this report of the news.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
And people did it, and.

Speaker 14 (47:15):
They just on the spot meet stuff up, like details,
like crazy stuff, and Bro's like he's like, I never
forgot that, because he was like people are psycho Like
these people just normal people walking down the street and
all of a sudden they're talking about, yeah, I was
abducted and they came into my room and they did
these experiments on me and like going through all these details.

(47:37):
I was like, man, like, maybe be really weary when
I heard him tell the story to Jason Sands and
the logan, because I was like, you know, we always
try to be have a healthy skepticism as it is
when when there's a story like that, whether it's Gulf
breezers or anything, like that, and you know, we always
try to say okay before we jump to any conclusions,

(47:59):
to get to it decided, you know, who are these
people with their background?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Can we can we verify this stuff? And then when
I heard him tell that.

Speaker 14 (48:07):
Story, I'm like, geez, maybe this like maybe I put
too much trust into like some people, because it's just
wild how I'm not talking to anybody in particular. It
was just the general thought that I had, But it
was just, you know, I thought to myself, it's crazy
how people can just.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Conjure on the spot like that. Yeah, it's a problem, right,
And it's a problem.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
When it comes to everything. When it comes to the
court of law. You know, you could put you could
put away somebody for life in a murder trial if
you have the right people that are presenting bullshit information right, right,
and people should be worried, right, Like the golf breeze

(48:50):
incident was.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
It was huge.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
A lot of people saw stuff, like I said, But
when it's certain people come forward and they can't really
prove anything that they're saying. They just have the photos
in the story or whatever. It's it's a bit of
a precarious situation, especially when you can create a hoax
like that super easily, and if you're very charismatic, you

(49:17):
know that that is the thing. I've been to so
many of these, like UFO conferences, right, and I've been
part of the community for a while, like it's going
on over a decade now. People have been in this
community a lot longer than me. I'm not trying to
like say that I know everything or whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
But.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's there's a phenomenon when people get on a stage,
for example, at conferences, and they speak emphatically into a
microphone confidently. Sometimes that's all you need to win over
and all audience because people people come to these things

(50:03):
because they want to be part of a community, right,
which we all want to feel validated and like we're
not alone and so on and so forth, you know,
not alone as in yeah, not not alone in the
universe as well. But when you see people get on

(50:26):
the stage and they just start spouting bs like stuff
that is super outland landish and there's no proof to
it's just their story. It's their own truth, right, and uh,
take a take whatever you want of that, what you will.

(50:46):
It gets a little scary when you see people eat
that up so much and you know, they're standing applause
and just losing their minds, and you know, I think
that's how And that's the the other thing, like if
you get invited to these conferences to do speaking engagements

(51:11):
like that, those conferences are literally kind of propping you
up so that you you get that effect, you get
that sort of credibility effect, and sometimes I feel like
that credibility effect is not really warranted for certain people.

(51:31):
But you know, again, I'm I'm I'm in between. I
believe that there's a lot of truth to this stuff.
I believe that people have been abducted. I believe that
you know, there are UFO sightings and you know, if
we're not piloting these craft, there has to be a
non human intelligence here wherever they are, oceans.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Sky.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Bases, space, whatever. I'm open into all these ideas. It's
really interesting, right, But when you have such a nebulous
and you know, very challenging topic that there's not a
lot of data on, that's where people can flock to

(52:20):
this community and just fill the void with their own
brand of truth and and charisma and entertainment. So what
is what's your feeling on.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Barber? I don't think we really talked about that.

Speaker 14 (52:39):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, actually, because that's
what was on my mind. So it's weird because I think,
I just my my read is that Jake Barber is legit. Again,
I could be wrong. That's just that's just my read.
But I also say that because of some of the

(53:00):
people around him who are vashing for him and and
things of that nature too. So but and this, this
is my only contention when it comes to Jake Barbara
at at the at the moment, and I don't know,
maybe I'm making too much out of it, but there's
just something that's not sitting right with me and how
he's been presented. It just it feels it's not organic.

(53:25):
And I don't know if anybody else has noticed this,
but it just feels extremely scripted. Obviously, of course come
out with Ross could Heart that is literally scripted. You know,
you come out on this interview. It's very well put together.
He's coached beforehand. I mean, we we know how this
stuff works. It's not like, you know, he just comes

(53:46):
to Ross and they sit down all of a sudden
they start talking with the cameras are on. There's production
that goes into that. There's scripting that goes into that.
We we know how this works.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yeah, camera crew falling you around.

Speaker 14 (53:57):
There's a bit of an action of exactly right, stand
here and do this look that way.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Let's make it look like this. Right.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Oh, make up, you're shining a bit makeup? Can you
come in? Can you put something on his cheek here?

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Exactly right.

Speaker 14 (54:12):
So it's it's very inorganic. And that's just where I
was cold Ford inview and that's fine. I get it right,
and you're making your presentation, you're coming out. That's your
coming out party. But then all of a sudden he
hands up on.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
This Jesse Michaels.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Stielberg production of Jesse Michaels.

Speaker 14 (54:29):
I mean, dude, that was that was literally like Scorsese, Spielberg,
Michael Bay like who put that together? And it's done
so quickly, all these cuts and cutouts and graphics, and
it was like, and Logan Paul is sitting there.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah, Logans into it too. He's like, come on, psionic,
let's do this. Yeah, it is pretty wild. I you
know now that you mention it.

Speaker 14 (54:59):
That and by the way, I'm just real quick I'm sorry.
I'm not like trying to hate on Jesse michaels By
any means.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
No, No, you do it great, get it? You know
what I mean? Did you do a great job.

Speaker 14 (55:09):
I'm just saying just in the way that it came across,
it just it just felt so engineered.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I think a lot of people get that sense because
it just it's almost like these waves of presenters get released.
You know last year when Grush came out, it was
very much the same thing.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
It was like Ross Coltheart. Then he ended up on
American Alchemy. Yes theory. Yes theory.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Guy was also there on this uh barbering interview. No
hate you know, like I think.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
What right, Yeah, It's just like there's a pattern here
like it.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Yeah, it just seems like a wave.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
It just seems like this entertainment like President enter wave
of influence going going through.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Right. And I don't have.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
A talent agent. I don't have like this you know,
big publicity company behind me.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Really.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I mean I have had PR for some of my
film releases and stuff, and I usually just like speak
to people I've spoken to before and just have a
candid conversation. Right, But when you see this stuff with
the production quality and what you know, as somebody who

(56:34):
creates media, the amount of planning that would have had
to go behind that. It really does seem like there's
planning going on in the background. And maybe maybe that
planning is like intelligence linked. Maybe it's people that are

(56:59):
part of the disclosure movement like lou and Christopher Mellen
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
You know, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I know that they are working behind the scenes and
working like meeting with congressmen and congresswomen and interviewing them
and talking about this stuff to try and push for
more of the secrecy to end. But yeah, it does

(57:30):
seem it does seem a little less inorganic, like less candid,
and it just comes in these like waves.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
But maybe it'll go to a place.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
That's good, Like maybe it'll eventually end up we get
to this synthesis in terms of the disclosure movement, so
to speak, and we actually get to know more of
what the Wizard of Oz has been doing behind the burden,
you know.

Speaker 14 (58:00):
And I think that's what bothers me and I think, yeah,
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
It's not that it makes it seem like.

Speaker 14 (58:09):
You know, Barber is is inauthentic in who he is,
and I don't I don't mean to portray that way.
It just it just makes it feel like it's just
so manufactured, Like, Okay, he could definitely be real and
what he's saying is true, but it just feels like
it comes out in a way.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, I think you just you rugged there for a second.
It just comes out in a way losing you there, Steven,
all right, do we have any others that want to
come up and ask some questions?

Speaker 4 (58:53):
We have pretty good group here. Feel free to asked
to be a speaker, Happy to.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Have your comments or your your way in on certain
things that are going on in terms of the UFO
disclosure progress. Let's say, anybody can you can you hear me, Steven, Carlos,

(59:29):
you're jumping up, feel free to speak, Hey, Darcy, Yeah,
Jay just is also jumping up, So we'll go with
you first. Carlos, what are your thoughts on all this?

Speaker 8 (59:43):
Well?

Speaker 11 (59:44):
No, I actually had a question that is related to UFOs,
but not exactly.

Speaker 8 (59:48):
What we're talking about right now.

Speaker 11 (59:49):
Yeah, but it's something that you work with that I've
had some curiosity for quite a while now. But I've
never had the opportunity to ask. But since you are
inviting people to ask a question.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
I might as well do it now.

Speaker 11 (01:00:01):
Yuh, you worked on a film about the t R
three B or something like that several years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:00:11):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
And you worked on that.

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
Film with a gentleman who seems who's a YouTuber forgot
his name, that's right, Tyler. He seems to be a
little problematic himself. But my question is this, in your
time researching and doing that film, what do you think

(01:00:36):
about the t R three B. Is it something you
think is there's something there, there's something to it, or
do you think.

Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
It's it's bullshit?

Speaker 11 (01:00:46):
Now, I know that you know we're on a low
information zone, basically means that you know that our government
probably does have something extremely advanced, but that doesn't necessarily
mean that it's a three R three B thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
So I'll give you a bit of a behind the
scenes of making that film. I researched everything, I scripted
the film and had Tyler read the script like he
didn't do anything except for that, And there was like

(01:01:21):
even the way that we initially started working together, a
friend of mine who's also Canadian this guy named Kerry
Martin Nuke.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Yeah, Kerry Martinuke.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
He had a pro channel called Luna Cognita, and he
was locked out of that channel. He could not get
into it, could not change any of the videos or
do anything with it. And when I reached out to him,
was like, hey man, I'm going to make these documentaries.
Secret Space UFOs is like the series. I'd love to

(01:01:59):
work with your original videos. He ended up sending me
a hard drive with like a lot of his original
work and I worked that into this series. And then
we found out, I mean, the links are there that
Tyler had used like over at least twenty of Cary's videos,

(01:02:20):
never gave credit or anything like that. So we reach
out to him just say hey, man, like, we'd appreciate
if you, you know, give credit or cut that stuff
out if you're not going to like give it back
to Cary Carrie. And he didn't answer at all, and

(01:02:42):
we initially put copyright strike on his stuff. Then he
turned around and was like, oh my gosh, I'm so
sorry I didn't know, and I was like, yeah, yeah,
no worries, dude. We ended up speaking and then I
was like, I'm actually working on this documentary, I'd love
to get you to come work on it with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Me, and he was like, yeah, man, totally, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
And I released the copyright strikes and we started working
on that together and it was a disaster. But from
my research, in terms of if the TR three B
is real or not, I think that the myth of

(01:03:28):
it existing is basically synonymous with an alien reproduction vehicle.
Like it's just it adds to the lore that we've
been trying to reverse engineer some kind of anti gravity vehicle.
Right whether or not the TR three BE actually exists

(01:03:50):
is not as consequential, but special access programs that have
to do with trying to re engineer or something that's
based off of a crash craft or a recovered craft.
That's basically you know, it's like, okay, we recovered these.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Things where we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
You know, had a crash craft or something like that.
Now what are they doing with it? And the TR
three B is like that myth that they got to
a point where they had some kind of working flying
vector shaped you know, triangular craft, and we already know

(01:04:33):
that we're using Area fifty one to test out these
types of special Black Project craft. The TR three B
might have actually been something like that that flew out
of Area fifty one. The thing about the TR three

(01:04:56):
B that is hard to believe is that it would
be massive, because apparently it was supposed to be like
the size of an apartment building in the sky, Like
it would carry a tank to space plus an apartment's
worth of personnel into space. And it's like a secret

(01:05:17):
space program craft type thing. It's more like a transportation
vehicle and not like a let's say, a craft made
to fight battles and fly over Iraq or you know,

(01:05:38):
some kind of war zone. It was more like that's
what's alleged for its purpose. And the guy who came
forward to really champion that idea was Edgar Rothschild Fouchet,
who we can prove that he worked at Area fifty one.

(01:05:58):
There's pictures of him him in front of, you know,
a hangar with the what's it called f F seventeen
or something like that. I can't remember what the stealth bomber, not.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
The F one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Somebody jump in here if I got to bring up
some people, Carlos, But you're an Air Force guy, what
do you think, like, what's your qualms about the TR
three B, Like I know that there was a guy
I was speaking to for some years who apparently worked
for one of these contractors. His name's Dan Benkert, and

(01:06:44):
he said that he got really close to Edgar Fouchet.
So did Jeremy Reese, who goes by like an alien
scientist on social media. Before Edgar died, he basically said,
I I swear you know all my life and he
was the interesting thing about Edgar is that he was

(01:07:05):
dying from this type of cancer that other people who
worked at Area fifty one were suffering from. And apparently
it has to do with the stealth paints that they
use on these craft. It's like that black paint, this
wild polymer that makes it so that radio waves don't

(01:07:25):
bounce off of the craft when it's flying. It somehow
maybe gets absorbed a little bit or something like that
and it keeps the plane more stealth. I think that's
how it was supposed to work. But something that gets

(01:07:45):
discussed with the TR three B, like why is the
name the TR three B, which when you look at
Popular Mechanics, they were releasing information about a craft that
actually did fly secretly in the Iraq War that was
called the I think it was the t R three A,

(01:08:14):
I think, and that stands for tactical reconnaissance and then
you know, whatever comes after that, I don't know, like
the F one fighter jet that stands for fighter, right.
I don't think we could ever prove for certain that
there ever was a TR three B. But the idea

(01:08:35):
was that there was this magnetic field disruptor engine to
it that produced basically anti gravitic lift, and it removed
about ninety percent of the weight of the object that

(01:08:56):
this MFD engine was revolving around in the middle. And
they made it with a super cool mercury super rotating
center and then apparently the corners of the craft were

(01:09:21):
hydrogen thrusters.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
So it was a bit It's not like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
It's not like as alien as some of these people
talk about, Like Bob Lazar says that there's element one
point fifteen. You just drop it into this mecha, into
this like chamber, and that creates the energy that was
released to create some kind of anti gravity lift from
those pylons that were at the bottom of the sports model, right,

(01:09:53):
and probably butchering the explanation there, but that's that sounds
like pretty alien. This seemed like when you heard Edgar
Fuchet describe that, he would say, you know, this is
how it worked, and it just seemed like something a

(01:10:16):
group of people could cobble together. Right, And we hear
about with anti gravity, this idea of a rotating superconductor
being at the center of all these craft, like when
you hear about the flux Liner, which is the ARV

(01:10:36):
described by Brad Sorenson and came out through Mark McCandlish,
who's no longer with us. He actually shot himself. They
described that flux Liner craft that ARV as having this
sort of like spin wheel in the middle and this

(01:10:57):
high voltage rotating superconductor at the very bottom of the
craft that created this anti gravitic lift.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Right, you have this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Super cool like rotating superconductor mercury disc in the middle
of the TR three V. Allegedly, Ning Li was this
Chinese scientist that was talking about anti gravity, and she
kept mentioning a rotating superconductor in the middle of these craft.

(01:11:30):
NASA published a study i think in the nineteen fifties,
believe it or not, on rotating superconductors providing lift. So
it all just keeps going back to this and I
think the TR three B. You know, the fun part
of making that documentary was just like, could we have

(01:11:51):
actually done it? Could we have actually made that breakthrough
and created our own alien reproduction vehicle?

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
And just talking to some people that were educated on
this and you know, knew the history of it, and
in most documentaries that I make, I'm just partly being
a historian and then partly being an investigator of the
ideas that are being presented.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
That's excellent, Thanks, Darcy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Yeah, you're welcome. Steven. We lost you there for a sec.

Speaker 14 (01:12:27):
Yeah, man, I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on
with this thing. It doesn't make for great listening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Keep cutting out, so I apologize for that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Oh, it's all good. It's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
We we we uh filled the time and you sound good,
so it's it's all good. But you you were kind
of talking about like the staginess of the Barber release
when you when you rugged there. Is there anything else
you wanted to add before we bring up Kent?

Speaker 14 (01:12:58):
Yeah, I mean, I guess aside from that is, you know,
aside from the feeling of just being engineered and how
they've put them out there is one of the things
he mentioned about psionics and how people are able to
gain those abilities or work with those abilities, And I

(01:13:20):
guess it just was a little startling to see like
the list of requirements in some cases on how you
go about doing it, because you talk about like working
with trauma or having being under a high stress situation,
all these different things. And I mean, I gosh, I
hate to make the comparison, but I couldn't help but
to think about the stuff with like adrenochrome.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
And I'm reading like when you when they're.

Speaker 14 (01:13:45):
Talking about I know, right, but I'm reading the list
you put out there about you know, having this high
stress situation or.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Having like this trauma to put you into this state,
and I'm.

Speaker 14 (01:13:58):
Like, that sounds bad. So I don't know what to
make of that. I'm not a psionics expert. All I
know is what I've been told from like my Carrera
And I think that's the other thing that kind of
disturbed me when it came to what Barbara was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
It took me back to when.

Speaker 14 (01:14:19):
I had Mike Carrera on my show back in October
of twenty three and he came on and talked about psionics.
It was the first time I'd ever really got into
a scionics discussion with anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, And he talked about how.

Speaker 14 (01:14:35):
He was taken to this you know, black opspace by
his insider, who turned out to be Jake Barber. You know,
we didn't find that out until a couple weeks ago,
but his insider that he was talking to me about
a year and a half ago was apparently Jake Barber.

(01:14:55):
So so the story goes now and he flew him
to this black ey space, and you know, he saw
the operations that were going on and was telling him about,
you know, the people who are brought in from third
world countries who have these abilities, who are more more
prone to these abilities. And Para was telling me about

(01:15:17):
this on the show and he's saying, you know, sometimes
these people die because it's they can't live through the
rigors of connecting psychically to a craft or to you know,
biologics or whatever it might be, and they end up dying.
And I rememberhim telling you that, and I'm like, this

(01:15:40):
sounds insane, and I'm just gonna tell myself it's not true.
And this guy is just losing his mind, That's what it's.
Being perfectly candid with you that's what I was saying
to myself during the interview. Now, I played it off
because I'm not judgmental when I'm talking to somebody on
the show, and I always let people decide for themselves.

(01:16:03):
But that's what I was thinking in my head, like
this sounds cuckoo for Cocoa Pubs, Like I don't know
what he's talking about. And then here we come out
with Jake Barber and he mentions all of this, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is awful because that
means that what Horrero was telling me back in October

(01:16:27):
of twenty twenty three connects.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
It checks out. So that's been bothering me.

Speaker 14 (01:16:33):
If I'm being honest, like, if people are dying trying
to do this and it's being you know, kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Promoted swept under the rug, and that needs to come.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Out and or promoted right, like, cause you don't want
people to engage.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
With this more.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
If it's becoming like this, if it gets this rock
star effect and everybody's like, I'm going to practice Onyx too,
and then they go out and they're like I don't
feel too well now, and they like, you know, die subsequently.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
That's not fun listen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. And to that point,
there's two things that pop into my head.

Speaker 14 (01:17:15):
Before I give those two points, I just want to say,
I'm not accusing Herrera or Barber of taking part in
these black ops operations in a sinister way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
In fact, it's opposite.

Speaker 14 (01:17:25):
They've come out to say that they're trying to uncover
those sinister things to stop them from happening. But what
bothered me was is that it seems like they actually
are happening. So I'm I'll do whatever I can to
try to uncover those and hopefully helping the cause. You know,
not that people die trying to do these things anymore,

(01:17:46):
and hopefully they're successful in their efforts. But the two
points that pop into my head when what you're saying, Dorsey,
is that to bring up two names shift news to
tell you who I mentioned earlier, Who's I show the
Air Force veteran who saw you know, he had that
cube experience in his own ORB experience at his house,
which was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
He mentioned, He's like, you know, I have been looking
into psionics. I haven't tried it. I'm interested in it,
but I know.

Speaker 14 (01:18:15):
That it's a very slippery slope because we don't know
what we're calling on and if you're not experienced with it,
because it is a real technique, just like remote viewing,
and if you don't know what you're doing, it can
be very harmful. And so I think that should be
something that this needs to come with a disclaimer. And

(01:18:35):
that's the second point I was going to make was
Dig before No who you know, has his own podcast
and he's out there with all these discussions as well.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Isn't he on that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
He's on the run right now? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Oh? I don't know, is he.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I'm just joking. I think his podcast is called Man
on the Run.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Oh, I'll just deadpan there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Sorry, I've been up since four am. You can't. You
can't pull these jokes on me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
A man on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
That's good. It's a great good song too.

Speaker 14 (01:19:12):
But so he he actually has come out recently of
if I'm sure someone's seen him, you may have seen
it too, where he's been having negative effects from dealing
with uh psionics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Dig So, yeah, I just saw today. I saw a
little bit about what's what he's been.

Speaker 14 (01:19:33):
Saying about it, where apparently it's been like just like
weird things happening to him to his family at his house.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Somebody said, it take us what it's worth. I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:19:48):
But somebody said in one of his recent streams, they
saw like a some type of entity or orb his
head what so so it and they went back and
played the clip. Now I didn't watch the clip because
it freaked me out, so I did to watch it.
So I can't tell you if I saw the orc

(01:20:10):
come out of this head or not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Watch horror movies?

Speaker 14 (01:20:12):
Do you for that reason? But you like to you
know what that means. It means that you're possessed. That
means that there's an entity dwelling inside of you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Oh, oh my goodness. So I did not know that.

Speaker 14 (01:20:26):
Yeah, that's a so just to just to play off
what you're saying when it comes to you know, hey,
i'm gonna try sonic, I'm gonna call the UFOs down.
Like that needs to come with the disclaimer because it
could be very very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
You don't know what you're dealing with. That's that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Careful, Yeah, careful what you wish for type thing. Proceed
with caution, don't don't invite things that you're not ready
for I think maybe these are all kind of themes
that you're just unpacked there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
And uh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I'm not like, see, I've never really done CE fives.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I mean, I'm open to the idea that meditating on
something could manifest something, but.

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I mean, I don't really want to go down that
rabbit hole. But I'm just I'm just not I'm sticking
to my lane, which is documentary filmmaking, you know. Yeah,
so here we go. We got Kent, Kent, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
You've been very patient? Sorry about that, man, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
And yeah, oh that was Beck in the AV days.

Speaker 15 (01:21:53):
I was I was just gonna say, my analogy for
the ai V situation would be like it's expecting the
Greeks to build a baghetti veyron. You know, we just
don't have the technology, we don't have the skills, we
don't have to know how to be able to build
these vehicles. And I don't think we've ever had it,
and I don't think we have post even having it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
I think any attempt that ARVs would be.

Speaker 15 (01:22:18):
You know, pretty close to having a horse and cart
compared to what the real things are. Even this psionic stuff.
You know, I'm willing to give people some ratitude. We
know the wordy covers a lot of stuff. But okay,
if you're a psionic super soldier, please just organize a
live stream. Go and grab a YouTube camera, Go and

(01:22:38):
do a live stream somewhere and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Organize for an neg to land on the front law
nfor us.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
Please.

Speaker 15 (01:22:43):
You know, I'm quite happy with that. I'll settle for
that any day, and then I'll believe in your psionics.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Well there you have, folks, no such thing as ARVs,
and you know where to put your psionics all right,
directly directly from Kent.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I love it. And everyone's telling us what they can do.
I'm a say, nosology. You know I can.

Speaker 15 (01:23:09):
I can land extraterrestrial eggs with my fucking brain, land
with your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I want one, and I'm gonna scramble it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:18):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Dude, Imagine the omelet that could be made with a
massive egg like that, Like, we could definitely throw a party.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
All jokes aside, you know, let's wait, let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Maybe apparently I was I was interviewed recently and somebody said, like, hmm,
what do you think about the psionics team and skywatchers
and uh Jake and all that stuff. And I was like, yeah,
you know, like I'm open to it if it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
If it works, it works.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
And then they're like, well, yeah, they're trying to like
land another egg. They're gonna make a craft. That's their
goal to like actually do it. And I'm like, cool,
do it, right, How can you argue with that? If
they do it, then we're all proven, you know, are
they're proven immediately the validation and we're all.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
You know, like, wow, this works.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
But until they prove it, until they do it, you know,
we're kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Just talking about it. Will Will Niles, you joined us.
You look like a men in black? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
I you did the documentary with the CIA Remo viewing
guys right.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
It's not out yet, but I'm working on it. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:24:50):
No, no, No, there's one that's been online for a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
It was in three parts.

Speaker 12 (01:24:56):
The second part of the head Joe mcmonagall in it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
No, that's Chris Ramsey. You're thinking of Chris Ramsey. He's
also Canadian and I think he can grow a red
beard as well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
The two you sounds so much alike.

Speaker 12 (01:25:10):
All I heard was your voice at first, but you
sound a lot of like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
We have Canadian accents. Maybe that's the likeness. But he's
also got maybe like four feet on me. He's built
like a brick house. I think he lips like every
day of his life.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
He can speak French fluently. He's friends with.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
George Saint Pierre, like a lot of stuff that gets
people hard. But I'm like, you know, a leprechaun, basically
Canadian leprecaun.

Speaker 12 (01:25:47):
Yeah, don't feel bad, dude, I've said next to Tom Cruise,
he demands five to five.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
Right, You're fine, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
That's a compliment.

Speaker 15 (01:25:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Tom Cruise is cool though he's like the head of
the Scientology church. Now well maybe he's second in command
under David miss Gabbage.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
I'm not into scientology.

Speaker 12 (01:26:13):
I met the man like five times my entire life,
but I don't know him that well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Like that, Okay, So I was just asking kind of
like beating around the bush. There are like are you
a scientologist? Is that how you met him? But like,
how did you meet him?

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Are you in the industry?

Speaker 12 (01:26:28):
My aunt Brenda used to do his hair whenever he'd
come into town. He's from Syracuse. He was born at
Saint Joseph's Hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Oh wow, is Matt the map?

Speaker 12 (01:26:37):
The third side of his family lives up here. Oddly enough,
he went to high school with my mom down at Clarksville, Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Wow. Okay, that's yeah, small world.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I've known the dude my entire life.

Speaker 12 (01:26:50):
Incredible, but it's an amazing that I didn't get into Scientology.
I looked into it, but I was like, I don't
like religion at all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
They're knowing what I know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Anyways, there's a major Scientology church in many cities around
the world. It is apparently pretty easy to join. I've
walked by the one in downtown Vancouver, and there's even
one on like Vancouver Island, which is just a ferry
ride away, and there's people stand out front. They got
the Dianetics book or a pamphlet and they're just kind

(01:27:23):
of saying, come on in, join.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Our crew, our crew. But uh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I I'm not very good at following orders and I
wouldn't make a very good cult member, I don't think,
although some debunkers out there probably already think I am one.

Speaker 14 (01:27:44):
Oh wait, Darcy, have you have you had the honor
of being accused of being a a FED plans or
CA plans all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
The time, especially on Twitter. I've been called an informant
actually by our p K. Yeah that was what when
I called it was like the headline was, uh, Darcy
Weir informants blah blah blah, yackety schmack the some kind
of bullshit ass whole thing.

Speaker 14 (01:28:09):
But it's so funny, man Like, if I could just
kind of like be asked a little bit about about
this is I had when when like by my show
and myself, I started to kind of like get noticed
and everything like that. As far as the UFO community
is concerned. I mean, I can walk into the store
and I'm no one knows who I am. But as

(01:28:30):
far as like, you know, the UFO community, when I
started to get like noticed on Twitter anyway, all of
a sudden, people started saying like, Oh, this guy, he's
he's a FED, he's a plant. I'm like, what, Like,
I'm just a guy doing a show, Like what do
you mean? And then someone finds, because I think I've

(01:28:50):
told you this before, I'm an employee of Hubbard Broadcasting.
Hubbard Broadcasting is the company that I work for and
they own a bunch of radio stations around the country
like Phoenix, Chicago, DC, and the one that I worked
for in West Palm Beach.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Cool.

Speaker 14 (01:29:06):
And so someone found my employee profile on the Hubbard
Broadcasting website and they posted it like it was like
some big revelation and they're like, look, see.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
We found him.

Speaker 14 (01:29:21):
He's he's a he's a in works in marketing and
is making all this stuff up that he's talking about.
And I'm like, yeah, I work for a broadcasting company. Congratulations,
you you cracked the case. It's so crazy, man. And no,
I'm not in marketing and I'm not a marketer. I'm

(01:29:42):
a broadcaster. Yeah, but it's just so funny how people,
for some reason they get these ideas in their head.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
I don't know, it's just no, it's something that it
makes me laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
It's real.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
I've ended up on the wrong side of that before.
I've had some weird stalker folks like emailing the subtitle
creation company that I work with for my docs, the
the actual owner of one of the distributors I work with,

(01:30:18):
you know, and they're just like forwarding these emails to me,
like do you know who this is? They're asking about you,
trying to find out details about you. Like I've this
falls into the UFO creeps category. There are UFO creeps.
There are people that literally they might be just you know,

(01:30:40):
they've got extremely a large amount of time on their hands,
they've got a certain type of politics that they identify with.
They don't agree with you on something, and they decide
to start to creep, and it's like, you know, the
childish Gambino song Redbone, like they gone go and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Find your sleep in hey, so stay low de.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Yeah, the UFO creeps are a real phenomenon, and most
of the time they're harmless, like they're just trying to
get noticed by you, that they have some kind of
power over you in some weird way. But I maybe
the first time that ever happened to me, I was

(01:31:27):
like a bit shook, like this is disconcerting. Who's trying
to bother me?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
But uh, you know, once it happens three or four times,
it's like, Okay, this is just it comes with the
territory because people are very unhinged in this community and
they want to they either want to be heard or
they just want to you know, exert some kind of

(01:31:55):
power and control and whatever, you.

Speaker 14 (01:32:00):
Know, because there's thousands of thousands of people who are
just you know, legit interested and they like what you do.
And then you have like two or three people that
spoil it for everybody else, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Totally, but don't let it get under your skin. It
is it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Oh yeah, now it just makes me laugh. Now I want.

Speaker 14 (01:32:22):
I wanted to bring something up, if you don't mind,
because it Claire Frank that's they're getting ready for bed
here unfortunately, but there's at least if you're still here. Actually,
matt Rick. Matt Rick is one of the listeners in here,
and I bring him up because he's somebody who has
reached out to me in the past when it comes

(01:32:42):
to the Vegas case. You know, I've spoken to Scott
wrote the crime scene reconstruction expert, been on my show
a bunch of times, and he did all that work
with Angel in the Las Vegas Aliens case back a
couple of years ago, was at May twenty three, I think,
and you know we talked about that when he came

(01:33:03):
through the aliens in the backyard and what Scott Rohder
was able to uncover with the forensics of of the
video and you know, finding different supposed aliens in the
backyard and everything, and so I wanted to get your
take on that because I know with and I bring
up matt Rick as well, because he's done like a
bunch of different videos and it was like with his

(01:33:23):
own technology has tried to show you know, there's different
entities in the backyard and stuff. So I didn't know
how familiar you were with anything he's done or just
with the case in general and what you thought about it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I've never got to talk to you about it before.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Yeah, Yeah, that's really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
So interestingly enough, I was in Nevada about a month
ago and I interviewed George Snapp and he was one
of these people that very early on he did like
an eight News now Las Vegas news broadcast asked and
he talked about the case and he legitimized it and

(01:34:04):
so on.

Speaker 8 (01:34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Yeah, so I spoke to him about it. I ended
up getting connected to Angel. I spoke to Angel's father,
I spoke to Angel.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
So I'm kind of unpacking that case right now. I
don't want to get too much, but i'd bet it
would be great to connect with Matric, you said, yeah,
he's in here.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
It's matt Rick. He's one of the listeners. I think
he's still in here.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Okay, yeah, Matric, feel free to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
D M me about the Vegas aliens. I'll I'll give
you a follow there, Bud.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
But yeah, I think there's multiple people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
That I interviewed while I was out in Vegas and
it all points to something happened. I'm not I don't
know yet, like if it's a hoax or if it
was a real legitimate case. But in speaking with like

(01:35:19):
Angel again and his father, something really happened. Like they
were really really freaked out, and you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Know they are, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
If you look at the the bodycam footage and all
that stuff from that night, Like everybody's freaked out that
they don't know what's going on and the family doesn't
want to be dealing with it, right. So it's another
one of those things where it's like you get these
people that are totally against the story being true, and

(01:35:52):
then you have the actual witnesses to the case that
were shook and a bunch of details about that I
even did believe it or not. Like I have a
YouTube channel that I just really neglect and every now
and then I'll do like a little video. And at

(01:36:12):
that time I did a Vegas Aliens video. This it
was like the same month that the Peru thing was happening.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
There was a big like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
It was almost like the they were saying that there
were like face snap steelers and stuff like that, and
the forest of Peru outside this pruvy in town near
the Amazon and all.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
It was like everything was happening. It was like wild.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
So I did one on Peru. I did one on that,
and I was just kind of like keeping it a
little bit more like jokingly and a bit with a
bit of levity, like you know, but I didn't know

(01:37:01):
where to look in that cell phone footage footage to
actually identify what they were seeing. And you know, speaking
now with Angel directly, I know where to look. And
I'm going to try and go back when I'm ready
to sort of put that together and really dial it

(01:37:24):
in and see if there is something where they say
something was. But yeah, matrics up here, how's it going?

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Man?

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Thanks for letting me come out.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
I just want.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
To say a couple of things about the Vegas case.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
As soon as that video came out. That is the
day I became a member of this community.

Speaker 8 (01:37:52):
I get say.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
It could I instantly saw a lot of stuff that
I shouldn't have been seeing in that footage.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
I've spent the last.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
A year and a half every day going through that
footage frame by frame, and it Legit and Angel in
the family. They only saw in the distance, maybe a
couple of them, but they were all.

Speaker 16 (01:38:23):
Around them, in the yard, behind the fence, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
I posted a little video in the space's message board
or whatever. I think you should check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
I will.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
I uh, I got to unpack this story a bit better,
just gotta figure everything out. But you posted the video
in the space, like.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
Yeah, just a clip of it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
I can't see it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
And the only editing that video, yeah is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Chrom a key, which is toll typically use for green screening.
I'm sure you're aware.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Yeah, what do you use it? Adobe Premiere?

Speaker 16 (01:39:13):
No, just with that specific video right there, I just
use cap cut on my phone. I removed a couple
of colors and overlaid it on top of the original,
and that's that's how I got that result right there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Everybody's using cap cut on their phones these days. It's
wild how effective this this thing is. You could tell
with those like orange subtitles. I have a friend who
uses it as app and he's posting like all these
videos on his Insta and he told me he uses
cap cut cap cut as well. So why don't you

(01:39:49):
just DM it to me. I'll see if I can
pull it up, maybe I can play it and we'll
hear it in the space and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Is that cool?

Speaker 16 (01:40:00):
Well, I mean, it's just visuals kind of like revealed
some of the beings that were right there standing over
the fence area.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
All right, you want to DM it to me and
I'll play it and I'll give some running already did.

Speaker 16 (01:40:15):
And it's also in this space's chat messages area.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
All right, give me sick. Give me sick here, Matric.

Speaker 16 (01:40:26):
I normally use AMPED five forensic software whenever I do
analyze videos. But this specific video, all I did was
use cap cut and a Chroma key tool.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
That's cool, Matric beats.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Let me see if I can find got somebody else
requesting to come up here.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Carlos. How you doing, Carlos, welcome back? What's up? What
do you want to speak to you?

Speaker 8 (01:40:52):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
I appreciate y'alls time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 8 (01:40:57):
Hey, Matric, I don't see the video. I don't I
don't know where you post it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Yeah, I don't see the d M either. Bombs up.
All right, All good? So yeah, Vegas Aliens, what else
we got?

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Kent?

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Is your hand up there? I'm not quite sure if
that's a glitch.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Yeah, No, I'm just just wondering. DUSSI.

Speaker 15 (01:41:25):
I mean, you're on the you're on the nuts and
bolt stide I think, and you're on the we want
more evidence side. But you know, from your perspective, what's
it going to take to move the needle. We've just
had one of your reps when say you know, at
least we're going to admit that we're not aligned. I'll
just literally sin equip Afa saying you know, okay, you

(01:41:46):
know we have to admit we're not alone. So that's
your government's representative saying we are not alone. So my
question to you and to anyone that wants to jump
in is what's going to take?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
What it going to take and the needle, what's it
going to take for Darcy, we have to.

Speaker 15 (01:42:04):
Turn around and say we know they're a non human
intelligence out there. We know they're interfacing with the human race,
and what's the next step. You know, what do we
need to do? Dascy in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
For me, I think we are not alone.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
I mean I've been looking at this phenomenon for over.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
A decade, and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Some cases just seem to be too outlandish and implausible
to be explained as a prosaic or human factor. Right,
I'll give you an example. I was doing like secret

(01:42:48):
UFO space anomalies research for a little while, and you
know we did. I hope we can speak about this
with Don Ecker next week. I know that he'll be
able to make it for that one. But he covered Phobos.
Phobos is like this moon that revolves around Mars, and

(01:43:09):
it's shaped like a kind of potato.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Our moon is like a perfect sphere.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
It's very different from all the other moons in the
Solar System. And Phobos has like a monolith on it.
You know, you hear about there's like this viral video
of astronaut Buzz Aldrin talking about this thing, this anomaly.
Russia and the United States apparently we're in talks initially

(01:43:41):
to do a joint space program to land on Mars together.
And Russia's Phobos missions were the first step in that
possibly happening. Believe it or not, there was Phobos one
and Phobos two. There were satellites that were meant to
go over to Mars, take photos, take readings, look at

(01:44:07):
all kinds of sensor data, like you could pick up
the heats and the radiations and the atmosphere, uh, you
know quality. They could take pictures and show you know,
actual observations. And Phobos one lost track early on. That's

(01:44:31):
why they had too anyways, because they were like, we
don't know if this thing is going to bloody work.
The Soviets launched these, by the way, and the second
one actually made it to Mars. It took a bunch
of photos. In one photo you can actually see an object,
Believe it or not. They released that to the public

(01:44:57):
at the time. Because Phobos two got knocked out of
the sky or knocked out of space, they lost communication
with it, and you know, fast forward to nineteen ninety one,
there was a conference that was held in San Francisco.
It was UFO related and two Russian nationals came to

(01:45:24):
that conference. One of them was a former cosmonaut with
the Russian space program. Her name was like Marianna Cornkov.
I can't remember her last name, and she brought with
her a photo that they snuck out from the Soviet
Union at the time, and it was one of the

(01:45:44):
very last black and white sort of flear photos of
a massive object that had admitted a smaller object to
intercept Phobos two. And that was the last thing that
happened before Phobos was annihilated, basically, and it was right

(01:46:04):
around the time that they were it was going towards
that strange moon. That moon has hot spots on it
that they picked up, meaning it was emanating heat irregularly.
Something that's floating around in the middle of space like
a moon should be completely cold mostly and it has

(01:46:32):
a geosynchronous and not no, it has a retrograde, it
has a weird rotation around Mars. It just seems like
not like your normal, your typical moon. So that was
why they were actually interested in it, NASA and the Russians.

(01:46:59):
So I say all this in that you know, we
I do agree with Kent regarding we probably haven't gotten
that far in certain exploits of reverse engineered technology. Perhaps
we have, perhaps we haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
There's people like if you speak to Michael Schratt.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
He'll say we broke the gravity barrier back in the
nineteen forties. I'm almost certain of it because they published
it in the newspapers of the time. But where's the proof, right,
we had a space program where we were using liquid
rocket rockets and launching them into space during the NASA

(01:47:48):
days and afterwards in the seventies, which is when they
did the Phobos missions. I was after Apollo finished, so
we're still using liquid rockets. We were using these like
tin can you know, space command modules and stuff like that.

(01:48:12):
And when the Russians sent something out there, it got
knocked out of the sky by something that's already there.
And to me, that points out that we're not alone,
like things like that the Virginia incident where we hear
about these strange like frog type beings that secreted poisonous

(01:48:36):
goo from their skin and killed people and the whole
town was aware of it. And you know, multiple personnel
from the military have come forward since then. And I
think James is actually down in Brazil right now as
we speak, furthering the investigation of that story. He's trying
to get apparently some more smoking gun footage and pictures

(01:49:00):
and testimony.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
You know, there's just so.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Many anecdotal cases like this that point towards something truly
anomaloist going on. And when I say anomaloust like smoking gun,
kind of like we're not alone stuff, and I think,
you know, that's just my opinion. I can't prove it

(01:49:23):
one hundred percent, but maybe we will be getting some
form of disclosure in the next five years that will
finally give us that answer.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
How does that sound to you, Kent?

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:49:39):
It's I can't help saying this because it just seems
apparently obvious that the majority of the public, the mainstream,
has been kept in the Bookings Institute Finding category, where
it seems like it seems to me that logical people

(01:49:59):
who done their research can say there is enough evidence
to say that we are interfacing with something, and that
something covers the whole spectrum, whether it's were interface, whether
it's you know, people seeing visions, whether it's people seeing craft.
We're seeing stuff and we've been seeing stuff one thousands
of years. That's been in paintings, that's been in literature.

(01:50:22):
So the thing I find really frustrating to us is
that we don't seem to want to give the public
that just purely logical step is saying, Okay, here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
We're over this. It doesn't exist anymore. We're over this.

Speaker 15 (01:50:37):
It's all visions of the imagination. We've got nuts and
bolt stuff that's coming here to visit us. Why don't
we prepare for it? Why don't we actually we actually
have an office in the United Nations called the United
Nations Office of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Out of Space A theirs. Did you know that?

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
I did not?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Okay, their job.

Speaker 15 (01:50:58):
The top paying salary is a and eighty thousand euros
a year for the head of the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I can't remember her name off the top of my head.

Speaker 15 (01:51:06):
But this entire branch of the United Nations has been
put in there so they develop a way for the
globe to interface with non human intelligence, and yet no
one ever talks about it. And you know, the thing
I find ironically incredible about that is that you have
that office set up in the United Nations paying people

(01:51:29):
hundreds of thousands of euros a year in salaries, and
they don't have a protocol for engagement with E two.
Yet they don't have a manifesto, they don't have an
engagement protocol. They don't have a public disclosure process. So
here you have an entire branch of the United Nations
that set up specifically for out of space affairs.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
He has nothing. And I just find that fascinating. Don't
you need that. We've got a whole office for this
and they've done nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, I mean even the US, their Space Force is
supposed to be like the top of the chain of
command for the military. Now, I don't know how far
along that is in terms of making that a reality
in this power structure pyramid that you know. I think
it was the Trump administration that initially enacted that. But

(01:52:26):
there's always going to be inefficiencies.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
There's always going to be, you know, the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
For lack of a better explanation, money being thrown at
things without a proper plan to begin with. So I
wonder if it has to do with that that they're
just kind of like putting together the plans as the
money comes in, Like give us the money, then we'll
do the planning, you know what I mean, Then we'll
do the work, or yeah, instead of we'll do the

(01:52:56):
work and then you give us the money.

Speaker 15 (01:53:00):
Sometimes they're not sitting there being paid to take directions.
They're being paid to run the office of out of
space of fair So I don't know. Back in the
old days when I used to get paid by people
lots of money to set up systems for them, I
didn't just sit there taking my whatever money I managed
to get out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
I had to do a job.

Speaker 15 (01:53:21):
So if there's an office out there that's paying people's
salaries to do a job July, the first thing they
need to talk about is, oh, hang on, we should
have a public disclosed pursuit process. So we should have
a set of protocols just in case ef he does
decide to turn up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
You know what I mean, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
I've got to jump off for a minute, make thrown
a hand and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Said I'm actually going to end the show there. So
perfect point to Parwes. So hope you have a great
night there, Kent, and I want to say thank you
again to Stephen Diner who jumped in tonight to be
our kind of co host. Well, we were figuring out
the whole thing with.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Don Ecker.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Don is going to come back next week. That's a promise.
We just had technical difficulties. Usually my guests join the
space and we just run all the audio through there
to KGRA and so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
So having said that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Thank you so much for everybody who came out, who
attended tonight. It's really great to you know, have the
support and you know, keep your eyes open, your your
mind clear, sift through the wildness of the UOFO lore

(01:54:43):
as we get closer and closer the truth, and definitely
use your better judgment because there are all kinds of
things that may not be true in this community. Again,
appreciate y'all and UH