November 27, 2024 • 57 mins
Matt Laslo is tonight's guest speaker. Matt is Journalist, prof. & public speaker engaging with multiple political topics including UAP on Capitol Hill. The organization that he represents is called Ask A Pol and here's some details about Ask A Pol:
We’re a small band of scrappy, well-sourced and savvy independent journalists working out of the US Capitol. Since 2006, Ask a Pol founder Matt Laslo's been a Washington correspondent, covering Congress for WIRED, VICE, Playboy, Rolling Stone, Daily Beast, etc.
Good political journalism isn’t about tweeting a good game. It’s about asking the right questions. And then listening — truly hearing the nation’s lawmakers above all the noise.
At Ask a Pol, we listen when lawmakers talk to the pack, but we like to have our conversations with policymakers away from the cameras. Ask a Pol publishes 99.9% exclusives.
We dig deeper, pry harder and we’re patient.
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
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https://x.com/occultjourneys
/ instagram: darcyweirfilms
/twitter and youtube: @occultjourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
/ instagram and twitter: @ny_uap_discussion
/ youtube: @ufocompilation
We’re a small band of scrappy, well-sourced and savvy independent journalists working out of the US Capitol. Since 2006, Ask a Pol founder Matt Laslo's been a Washington correspondent, covering Congress for WIRED, VICE, Playboy, Rolling Stone, Daily Beast, etc.
Good political journalism isn’t about tweeting a good game. It’s about asking the right questions. And then listening — truly hearing the nation’s lawmakers above all the noise.
At Ask a Pol, we listen when lawmakers talk to the pack, but we like to have our conversations with policymakers away from the cameras. Ask a Pol publishes 99.9% exclusives.
We dig deeper, pry harder and we’re patient.
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
/ instagram: darcyweirfilms
/twitter and youtube: @occultjourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
/ instagram and twitter: @ny_uap_discussion
/ youtube: @ufocompilation
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
She's picking up a massive object in this video. Ships
that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Bulkan Head Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the crowd goes, oh,
my God. Was to protect the secrets from the Air
Force that were not out there in public. So welcome
(00:46):
back everybody. Were Uh, we got another great show for
you tonight. On last night on UFO Twitter tonight, we're
talking about Laslow from ask UAPs. I really like this
guy's what he's been doing. I've been following a lot
(01:06):
of his.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Twitter and his sub stack.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You should go check him out. His website is ask
apole politics dot com. And usually when we have our show,
every the starting of the show, we always have Dale
from Observer of Anomalous Objects to come up. So I'm
gonna bring in Twitter here and Dale is going to
(01:34):
just give us a positive message to start us off,
because it's pretty negative out there and we like to
have sort of a positive message.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Dale. Take it away, brother, Dale, We lost them now
you got me, gotcha?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Okay, I'm here brother. Sorry, anyway, I wanted to welcome
Matt to the space. I kind of feel like we've
been hanging out for a while, and you know, two
podcasts in a week's time. He's my brother from another mother.
But hey, there's somebody else here that I want to
also point out.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
My wife's here.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She's into space tonight, and so it's kind of like
a family thing, you know. I like to start off
with kind of like a catchphrase. This one's not going
to be complicated. It's actually pretty simple. It is be thankful.
And you know, that makes a lot of sense since
tomorrow is Thanksgiving. You know, for many people, Thanksgiving is food, family, football,
(02:45):
and long naps. Really it's about a four day weekend.
That's not exactly how it was in the beginning. The
Pilgrims in sixteen twenty one gave thanks for a successful harvest.
The first Thanksgiving was all about being thankful. Thanksgiving is important,
(03:05):
I said. Thanksgiving is important. No matter where you are
in life, you have something to be thankful for. You
might have it bad, but someone always has it worse.
I said, you may have it bad, but someone always
has it worse. In fact, I was watching a YouTube
video last night, and I was shocked because this eighty
(03:28):
three year old man was arrested for rubbing a bank.
And you think, why in the world would an eighty
three year old man rob a bank? What's because he
was desperate. All he had to live on was his
social security. Didn't I say someone has it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Worse than you.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
You know, in our UA peak community, we have a
lot to be thankful for. Let me mention just a
few things. We can be thankful for Congress and the
UAP hearings. We can be thankful for the whistleblowers and witnesses.
We can be thankful for reporters like Matt Laslow, George Knapp,
(04:08):
and Christopher Sharp. We can be thankful for UAP USO
filmmakers like Darcy James Fox and those that are putting
together the series like Investigation Alien on Netflix. We can
be thankful for podcasters like Bryce Zabel, Ross, Colthark, George
(04:29):
and Jeremy matt Ford and Coast to Coast and believe
it or not, we can even be thankful for news outlets,
especially recently with News Nation. The stigma is finally beginning
to go away. And of course, last but not least,
let's not forget about those who've gone before us. I'm
(04:50):
talking about researchers UAP researchers like Donald Kehoe, Stanton Friedman,
Jay Allen, Heinek, James E. McDonald, Bud Hopkins, and John Mack.
And so we have a lot in this community to
be thankful for it, and so let's make sure that
we are thankful. Let's make sure that we are thankful
(05:13):
and not think less.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Thank you so much for that, Dale, I am grateful
every week that I get to put together a little
show for y'all and just interact with the community and
talk to different speakers.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And you know, it's been along road, this whole UAP subject.
It's now. UAP was UFO when I first started checking
it out, and it was very fringe. It was not.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Something that everybody wanted to talk about. And these days
that's it's still the case. But there is more reporting
there is there's more mainstream coverage of it, and people
like Matt Laslow are heroes to the cause, like to
revealing more about this. Look you talked about desperate, Dale,
(06:10):
I'm desperate for more information.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
And I do feel.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Empathy for people around the world who are desperate. I
mean look at what's going on with Russia. I would
say they're desperate for a win, and I really really
hope that that doesn't result in some kind of nuclear attack.
Nuclear I don't know, I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. But anyways,
(06:40):
let's bring up Dale. Sorry, let's bring up Matt. Matt,
you're here. Everybody check out ask a Poll, underscore UAPs,
subscribe if you haven't. He's really doing some great work. Matt,
introduce yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Man. Hey, hey, hey, that's that's a lot more thanks
than we ever get here in Washington, but rightfully so,
because we're swamp creatures, so that's on us. Oh but hey,
pleasure to be with you all on a Turkey day eve.
(07:20):
I'm a political reporter professor and John Tompkins been covering
Congress and stuff like eighteen years. And then I teach
on like history of the media, history on how politicians
have used different mediums and oppressive used different mediums over
time to adapt their rhetoric to the new reality of
(07:42):
the new mediums. And then one of my side gigs
is askapoll dot com, which we launched, I guess just
a year and a half ago. But that's where I
know many of you from all freaking rock starck and
you keep keep my heart beat up and my feet
(08:05):
walking and running chasing these lawmakers. I think it was
just last year that they interviewed all one hundred US
senators and David Grush's claims which Congress has still not addressed.
And so yeah, right before I came on here, I
think it was Chris Sharp and but like they just
(08:31):
announced that sixty British troops are being sent over here
to the US to help us, the American near the
trillion dollar a year military, figure out what the heck
is flying overhead, specifically over US military and nuclear sites. Yeah,
(08:52):
thanks my friends in the Wall Street Journal for finally
you know, getting on board and investigating this like a
month or so ago. But why do we need the
red coats? And all my British friends out there were like,
we need the red coats?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
The Tories are coming.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Wild.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I mean, you you are a rock star.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You got a bit of a rock star haircut, you
kind of you rock the tie, but I could tell
you're more punk rock about that tie.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I actually actually got my start covering music and entertainment,
And I say, are my French, But I say I
know how to deal with asshole politicians from dealing with
asshole musicians.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Dude, I can imagine it must be like ten hundred
times worse.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Right, politicians are polite.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Politicians are worse. Really, I'd rather have a raging cocaine
singer throwing stuff off the balcony than a politician just
staring me straight in the eyes and lying to my face.
There's a certain type of cold that can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I love your style though, you're always like camped out,
ready to go, just like pounce on them after they've
walked out of hearing or a meeting room, Like, can
you walk us through a bit of how you go
about staking that that snipe interview out, like getting them
as they're on the way to their car and stuff like.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
That, Like do you have a bit of intel?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Is Nick gold you know he's does he have the
binoculars out?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Is he radioing you? What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, so I say, our job as are reporters, you know,
political reporters is can be described best as hurry up
and wait, but r professional stalkers. And so I consider
the US House of Representatives, that's four hundred and thirty
five members. You know, and every different reporter has different beats.
(11:04):
Like I, over the years have covered Congress for a
bunch of different local NPR member stations, so like I
already have relationships I know these lawmakers, but in that time,
I've learned like, oh, there's a vote the old men,
Oh they're gonna need the men's restroom on the like
(11:24):
that side of his house chamber. Ladies, there's now a
ladies room thanks to John Bayner when he was Speaker,
he put a ladies room in on the opposite side
of the men's room. So, especially the older ladies, if
there's a long vote series, they might be popping out there.
But then you kind of learn, all right, if it's
(11:44):
raining outside, then Senator Booker, who loves to give his
exercise and loves walking outside, if it's raining, he's probably
gonna become an underground orbion dropped off Senator Jillibrand. Every
time I take the Senate elevator down, my office little
cubicle is on the Senate side of the Capitol. Whenever
(12:07):
I'm taking that elevator down from the third floor to
the basement, I always click one. Even if other people
are on there. You know it opens up on one
and they look at me like, can't you leaving? And
I go, nope, just doing my jill a brand check
because she always gets dropped off on the first floor.
And like, just as I like, my last interview in
(12:28):
my notebook before Congress gave itself all Thanksgiving week off
was a one on one was Senate Judiciary Chair Dick
Durbin on the pace of judges that Democrats are trying
to rush through before Trump takes over in January. But
literally I had my backpack on codon. I was ready
(12:49):
to be gone, and then the door opened on one
and there I'm just smiling at Dick Durban and I
look at him and I go, sir, I'm sorry, but
you're here. So I got to interview you. You know,
I just scored a nice little exclusive with the sen
A majority.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Whip snipe.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's so you kind of learn the tricks of the trade.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What For years, like yeah, like two or three years
when I worked for k T Austin's NPR station, just
Lloyd Toggate, congressman down there, would not talk to the press,
just avoided us. I couldn't even find out how he
got on the floor. Then the brother broke his foot
and then he had to be wheeled in for the
(13:37):
Speaker's lobby and that's where I, you know, smiled a
little bit. It was nice to him. First time I
go up to a lawmaker, I'm not asking questions. I'm
introducing myself. Mike's at my side. Hey. That and when
I'm over so like just last week, Lloyd dogg It
comes up to me smiling. Hey, I'm like, I got
(13:58):
nothing for you because you're about to be the minority.
I know you are the minority mass you don't matter,
but yeah, you just treat politicians like humans, even though.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They're demi gods not humans. Oh there's swamp cret.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You're robotic and like, that's why I have to remind
myself daily, like I interview five hundred and thirty five
liars for a living, Like there's just you know, some
of them are good people, but there's something about getting
elected at that level where you gotta sell a little
bit of your soul. It's it seems, yeah, you know
(14:39):
if any of them haven't, but I don't.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Think I know them, So you kind of remind me, honestly,
a bit like Hoggle from the Labyrinth You've memorized all
these different areas of the Capitol so that you could
pounce on politicians and get into to questions that you want.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What do you think is like the hardest h Q
and A you've ever done? Like, has there ever been
a really bad situation where you were like stalking one
of your prey and it just didn't go down the
way you wanted?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Oh? You just I mean, And y'all heard this name
Matt Gates in the news a little bit lately. Matt Gates,
who many of you are in the UAP community really
love him for, you know, him being outspoken on this issue. Well, likewise,
(15:41):
Matt Gates always loved me for my drug coverage for
Playboy Rolling Stone. That, like, I think probably Matt Gates
is like besides the day he took out former Speaker
McCarthy before that, I think his favorite day in Congress
was when Growing Stone my story put AOC and Matt
(16:05):
Gates you're like working together on psilocybin. You know, he
retweeted it. AOC never retweeted it. You know, he loved
it and always wanted to be like, you know, write
her coattails, but no, she wanted nothing to do with
him in part because of all the reporting, some rumors,
(16:29):
some not on Matt Gates. Well, so pointed the story
and answer your question. So Daily Beast I was a
contributor handful of years back, five or so, they had
a reporter who was doing like Gates invited some alt
right dude like, you know, Nazi sympathizer, Nazi whatever the
(16:51):
headline was, he invited him to stay to the union
with him. Well, so all these publications start doing Gates profiles,
and Daily Bast they had a young reporter up in
New York who was doing their profile but like calling
up people who went to law school with calling up
people he did as undergrad with and like it was
(17:13):
a younger reporter. So Daily Beast tapped me. They're like, hey,
you help this guy out and also bring a little
texture from Washington. So I was like, yeah, I will
bust out my rowodex because I covered Congress for WLRN,
which is Miami's NPR station, also WFSU, which was Tallahassee's
(17:34):
NPR station, and then a handful in between. So I
had a decent rolodex for flora sources. So they tapped
me for this and Gates doesn't know I'm working on
a profile, so I'm just standing there kind of eavesdropping
when he's being profiled by this GQ writer. You know,
(17:54):
it's like I think it was a threat, but it's
just like smartly dressed, just like, yeah, dude, Gates is
like thinks he's the ship. And I hear Gates sell
the guy. Hey, there's thirteen publications that are doing profiles
on me.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Uh and then there and then he says in the
Daily Beasts, but I'm avoiding them because I think they're
looking for my birth certificate.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why so why the birth certificate?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Gates? Because well he just said that. But he's like,
I'm getting calls from my law school and undergrad friends
who are like, hey, some Daily Beast reporter just called me,
so like he.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Knew he had no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Too there no, no, no, So this was the guy
in New York. Well, so I'm helping him out with
his thing. So I hear from two of my sources,
two that I trust, but that I couldn't publish on.
And I always go by the rule of three. You know,
(18:59):
I studied to be a pastor, like way back in
the day. Actually in Marjorie Taylor Green's district. But like, so,
like I go by the rule of three biblical or whatever,
but it's just a good rule for journalism. If you
don't have three sources, it's not a story. Care about
your story? Yeah, I just don't care, you know. And
(19:20):
so I didn't have enough. But like because there was
those thirteen or whatever profiles and Gates Daily Beasts was like, no,
we don't want to feed any more oxygen to this,
like Prima Donna. So like we're just gonna hold it.
When something newsy or timely happens, Boom, we got this profile,
(19:40):
we're just gonna drop it. Then it's just like three
four months. And like me, as a freelancer, I'm not
getting paid even though I didn't work, because you don't
get paid until you're published, and so this is ridiculous. Well,
so I think I was pretty hungover on a Friday morning,
and I was just like, we're gonna go find Matt
(20:00):
Gates and there's a house oversight hearing, and so like
I just stand outside of where I know he's going
to exit the house oversight, which is where you all
have seen me or gotten all these exclusives on uh yeah,
the crush hearing after November thirteenth point, It's like Gates
walks out of house oversight and you're hungover, so walking in,
(20:25):
start walking with him to his office and I just
go It's like, this is what I had for sources
that I trusted, and actually the Guardian or Miami Harold
got it like a year later. But so I just go, hey,
Congressman Gates, can you help me out with this? Was
it three points when you fucked an intern in Tallahassee
(20:48):
or was it three points when you fucked the senator?
I forget the numbers, because god, he was a part
of a points system where they literally scored whether they
were sucking an intern, house member, lobbyist, or senator. And
Miami Herald got that story a year after I had it.
(21:09):
I just wasn't there in Florida, so I couldn't like
solidify it seeing Matt Gates turned pale as it goes,
and him kind of playing five dimensional chest with me,
just staring at me like, wait, you don't have it.
Last though you don't have it. I just want you
all to know that so good that year I slept
(21:31):
so good that year knowing that Matt Gates couldn't fucking
sleep a wink that year because his own disgusting past. Wow,
nipping it heels.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
What kind of point system group is this? The skulln
Boners group or something like?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's actually a good one. Matt Gates might give you four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Points that that was a good joke. Yeah, that was
a good joke. Skulln boners.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Geez man.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So but that's where. That's where, like I'm an uncle,
time's ten. I just want y'all to know, Yes, Gates
is a very politicized name. Do not let him near
your wife or children or niece's, nephew's cousins. Like that
guy doesn't even trust himself.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Wow, wow, dude, any we could make a documentary about
just that encounter and story that. I love it, dude.
I wanted to meet up with you in Washington, d C.
I was over there for the November thirteenth hearing.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I actually got in. I was one of the last
three a Canadian that got in. It was amazing, dude,
it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I loved it completely, you know, soaked up the experience.
Interviewed Nick Gold when I was out there. It was
great to see him. He's definitely somehow I look like
a giant next to him. Uh, but you know, uh,
it was amazing, just the whole appear.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
When you were wearing your you were wearing your skates.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Right, yeah, I was where my rollerblades.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I always wear skates, right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, of course so so. But the November nineteenth hearings happened,
and I heard you were quite hopeful about those. Dale
was informing me yesterday. He interviewed you the other day.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Can you just tell.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
The crowd here on the kg R folks like why
you were hopeful? Like the Arrow hearing with Susan Go like, man,
she looked real bad w GoF whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I know, I can't pronounce her. Wait real quick. And
this actually brings me back to your first question. I
think most people on here have seen it. But like yesterday,
we did a big what is it? We made a mistake,
We made sorry, okay, in mine just left me. We
did a correction. No, we did a huge correction. So
(24:07):
that day, November nineteenth, that hearing was listed as you know,
closed then open. There's not many classified skiff hearings going
on in a week in Congress. It's usually two that
(24:29):
are kind of scheduled. I think every Tuesday Intel Committee
meets and then kind of Thursday before they head out
of town review stuff. Like who knows what they do.
They just do their Intel stuff. And so in talking
to members and staffers, I'm like, hey, I'm going to
cover the skiff briefing at two thirty and so Senators
(24:54):
I have better staffers, and I don't think they were
just like messing with me, like they tell me like, oh, yeah,
it's not in the Senate skiff, the one like connected
to the Capitol or whatever. They say, Oh, it's actually
Senate heart to nineteen, which is there's a I just
(25:15):
learned this this week. There's like I guess that's where
Senate Intel has like a permanent skiff and kind of
their meeting room. But like Senate heart to nineteen, that's
the huge auditorium that you all have seen when Katanji
Brown Jackson was being you know, her nomination hearings first Cotus.
(25:36):
That's where Skalis it is Clarence Thomas, like that's the
room where it's just it's the newest house or part
of me. It's the newest Senate office building. So when
they made it, they made this huge auditorium. Oh pardon me,
that's also where that one staffer, the carden staffer, was
having a gay sex on camera and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Got oh god, I know he did that in in
the congressional hearing, right, he actually like took out the things.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And then he got fired very quickly after, because when
the Kennedys did that, at least they didn't record themselves.
But that's an aside.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That would have been so fun for you to cover, right,
Like how outlandish and clownish was that event?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, so that's the thing. I'm standing outside of this
hearing room. Yeah, this like private room next to that
huge hearing room. There's an MPR reporter there. There's a
I believe it's a Russian reporter, but who was covering
the Ukraine thing. And so like I kind of let
that guy go first because I was thinking, oh, are
(26:50):
they doing It's part of this briefing on what Biden's
just signed off on those new uh you know, allowing
Ukraine to bomb Moscow, you know, to use those long.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Range holistic miss or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I was letting him ask his questions first, and
it was weird because senators would tell him no, it
wasn't about that, and I was like, wait, Usually senators
like to really say nowhere yes coming out of classify,
but they were just like no. Then I asked a
couple like, hey, UAPs come up some of them and
(27:34):
in toy with me, but they kind of do. Like
Senator Langford, who I think is one day going to
be these Republicans from Oklahoma, So we probably in the
Senate seat for life if he wants it, Like I'm
pretty sure he's going to be chair of that committee,
you know, really in the next decade. We'll just he's
so wise. Well, for one, I think both parties kind
(27:56):
of want a lifer in that seat, Okay, someone who's
like they don't have to worry about their election, so
they don't have to worry about and it makes sense
they don't have to worry about fundraising from all the
nefarious spots that the party leaders are gladly fundraising from,
you know. And so he I walked with him to
(28:18):
the elevator and I hadn't talked to him about this
issue since crush Well Langford, and I forgot this. He's
so wise, He's just letting me tell him what each
one of my cards is.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
So he just keeps letting me talk, even though he's
like yeah at the end, he's like, yeah, I'm not
gonna discuss it. But then now that I think back,
I'm like, you just wanted to know what hand I
was holding.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Wow, you're smooth, even I think he was like right,
I think minister back in the day, so like he's
working on levels.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Took his adderall right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, so then we go to the actual hearing, and
so turns out there were two classified skiff briefings at
the same time, both at two point thirty pm Eastern
time on November nineteenth. And so I've been texting with
(29:27):
Joe KALs pronounced his dame, Sorry if I did, brother,
but the News Nation guy who you plugged earlier, and
I guess he was actually outside of the real one.
He says, Arrow folks never walked out of there. So
the first time he saw the Arrow entourage was with
me when we were outside of the Senate Jerkson office building,
(29:50):
the room where Jilibrand held that hearing, and you know,
we popped our questions off to him, and I feel
bad form joke because like we compare notes and I
was like, here's there's a lot of senators. Well, because
because there's six members of both Armed Services and Intel,
(30:11):
Joe and I we had some of the same names.
You know, it was just the biggest cluster. And so
I just want to apologize to everyone. This is a
reminder to me, my journalism professorrself, to not trust one source,
two source, or even three sources, but to listen to
(30:34):
as many voices and then you might get the info.
But yeah, I listened to senators and sorry, that was
my mistake.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wild So.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There, So, how how are you hopeful about Arrows investigation
and the new director? I guess I'll just so pointed
to you that way.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So well, yeah, so I would only push back and like, guys,
I cover Congress and have for eighteen years, I'm not
hopeful about anything. When you all dale, God bless you,
when you're like giving thanks, I was like, grumble, grumble, grumble.
I'm stuck here in a steaky, sticky swamp. But no,
(31:20):
thanks for the reminder to be thankful, because like I'm
a former homeless kokeead where I was like eighteen nineteen,
Like every day that I'm in the Capitol, I'm like,
I don't belong here.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
You're blessed you know why.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's kind of why I do belong there, because I
see through all their bs. But like I my read
on what Juli Brandon was attempting to do within hearing is, Guys,
I think she's got a big crush on you, and
I think y'all keep breaking her heart. Maybe rightfully so,
(32:00):
because I know she's broken your hearts. But I remember
jille Brand ran for president. I'm pretty sure her or
someone on her staff. I'm pretty sure a younger person
on her staff alerted her to you know, UFO read
(32:21):
it where they're like, hey man, there's two point nine
million strong here, like this is an issue that we
have a lane for. But ma'am, you know, and this
comes from like the DC consultant perspective. But ma'am, you're
gonna have to navigate between those people in that community
and your fellow senators. So you're gonna have to walk
(32:44):
this tightrope. And I think she's kind of learning, like, no, no, no,
you can't walk that tightrope in this space. You know
you're gonna get labeled left, right or center, like you know,
shots are gonna come and so.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
But half of Congress thinks that it's demons, right, So, like.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'd say, half of Congress hasn't even thought about these issues,
even as laying the air Force base is shut down
for seventeen days. Yeah, foreign stuff flying overhead like they're
ostriches to the worst degree.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
What do you what do you make of that response?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Like that press briefing that happened.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
With the d O D guy, who was it?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It was like general something and they just kept asking
like what what are they?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
How could they?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
How could you not know what the drones are? And
he's like, well, I'm not going to talk about you know,
you know, whether it's I can't give away those like
that information. He just kept saying this, walking in circles
around questions that are just basic like are they Russian
(34:00):
Chinese drones? Or are they civilian? Like it can't be
civilian drones, right like and if it's not them, who
is it?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
What did you? What did you make of that?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So I didn't catch that. And neither Arrow or the
Pentagon have ever invited me to any of their briefings.
And you know what, I really want to be there
because I can hear your lies evasions on my screen.
I like to look lawmakers in the face when they
(34:34):
lie to me. Yeah, I don't like a squirm in
my presence. Well, so like with that, like.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
So what I'm talking about. It was like two days ago.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think, Uh, somebody, if you want to jump in
here one of the other panel folks, you can maybe
inform the crowd who it was.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But it was like a live.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
White House press briefing and they were all asking about
these airbase incursions and the guy just would not give
up any information whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Wait. The scary thing about that is, to answer your questioning,
there's a good chance the Pentagon or part of me,
that layer of the Pentagon, the pr layer, which is
very connected to the top RASP. But like there's a
(35:32):
good chance their clueless. You know, the whole question becomes
where are the silos? Because you know, members of the
Congressional UAP Caucus came away from the November thirteenth hearing,
you know, listen to our Moscowitz interview at Asketpole. He's like, well,
(35:54):
you know, he was the one who's like, oh, you
can't talk about fight club because there's a fight club.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Yeah, that was great, And so that's.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Where the question becomes. And like someone like Nancy Mays
or even AOC Alexandria Cazier Cortes. The reason they've been
at the table for this issue is because their hunches
nefarious stuff is happening with military industrial complex i e.
Contractors And so that the curious thing based on what
(36:28):
you're telling me about this Pentagon briefing. We're good on
my colleagues for finally now asking about it, but now
we're actually leaning on Britain to send, yeah, the experts
to help us figure it out.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I saw the posts that you put up here Pentagon,
and that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Didn't come for me, but I linked to a BBC article.
So now I'm like, wait, there's a good chance are
folks at the Pentagon, you know our trillion dollar a year, Uh,
you know, the folks addicted to our tax dollars. Uh,
there's a good chance their clue is, which is pretty
(37:10):
freaking unsettling if you really think about it. And like
that's where I pressed Senator Tim Kaine. And we haven't
dropped the interview yet, but I talked with Senator rich
he's the top Republican Senate Form Relations Committee, and like
he was in one of his briefings, and like I
(37:32):
just transcribed it before I hopped on here and like,
there's there's it there there because he's like, now, you
know what, I don't like to talk about this stuff.
Well then I was like, well, Senator Kane told me this,
so now Center Rich is listening a little more. And
then I divulge a little and he's like, yeah, I'm
(37:54):
not going to talk about it. But I'm like, wait, guys,
the near is now shining on you, this Congress, the
mirror that in their minds. The first to hold up
was David Grush last summer. We know there's been lots
of whistleblowers before that, but David Grush came directly to
this Congress, the one hundred and eighteenth Congress, and said, hey,
(38:18):
you are being ried to. There are hidden programs, these
SAPs within the executive branch, you know, within the broader
federal government, and you don't know about them, even though
according to this little thing called the Constitution, all funding
comes from Congress, so you're funding them, you don't know them.
(38:40):
There there's been this like slow awakening amongst lawmakers, and
I think like when it comes specifically to these incursions,
like the talking points are just out the window. What
if we reported it at basketball this year. You know,
just from c SPAN, we have Senator Kine pushing heads
(39:03):
of North Common South com publicly on the Langley intrusion
that was back in March. Well then you add Senator
Rounds also bringing it up. Senator Kelly from an astronaut
who is the biggest UFO skeptic. He's just like Kelly
(39:24):
is just like nope, they don't exist. So what does
Kelly tell us that ask a poll. Kelly is one
hundred percent convinced that American airspace is kind of daily
being intruded by foreign adversaries. Like that's a scary thought,
like literally take a step back, like because he's so
(39:46):
afraid of like it potentially being this other thing. He
just goes to what he knows and he's like, yeah,
it's probably China. And what he said is like, oh,
you know, you know, over the counter Walmart and stuff,
and they're just buying over the counter stuff. Why isn't
a military shooting a bunch of it down or capturing
(40:10):
it in a freaking net, Like I can take out
some Walmart drones. My dad taught me to be a
decent peasant hunter, and so that's where The interesting thing
to me isn't so much like informing them like blah
blah blah, it's just letting them trip over their own thoughts.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's like the responses from different layers of the public
that are engaging with this topic. So let me ask
you pointed question, then, what do you think this phenomenon is?
I mean, how long have you really been looking into this?
Where did you where did you become a UAP guy?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, so I answer your first question. I have a
stunted brain because me as a reporter, my sources. No,
me as a proud congressional reporter, my sources are congress
So again, I interviewed five hundred and thirty five liars
for a living. But I can't. I'm a professor my
(41:15):
whole m because like usually reporters, and like when I
first came to DC, I wanted to like move up
the chain, end up on the CNN and blah blah blah.
After like a year or so, I was like, no,
I never want to work for them. I would have
to sell part of my soul and no, I'd get
the million dollar house and then Bentley or whatever they're driving. Like, No,
(41:37):
that is not why I'm here, no you and yeah,
and so like this issue, I first got into it
when Crush we'll start on take a step back and
remember what me and my colleagues in the media have forgotten,
like the way they tell it to start of twenty
(42:00):
twenty three, US airspace was invaded by a balloon. You know,
the balloon floated from Montana all the way to South
Carolina and then they shoot it down. Well, in that time,
Congress had because the public was freaked out, they started
having these classified briefings and so I'm like, all right,
(42:24):
that's interesting. Well, then they were also having similar briefings
about the document stuff. So there was just talk of
classified content. Like there was a good bitepartisan debate which
Warner was at the table for along with a center
Corning from Texas Republican, where they were trying to like
(42:47):
overhaul US classification saying like yeah, we just overclassify stuff.
So like I'm at the table, I'm like, all right,
I'm a nerd, like I'm here for this. Well, then
don't forget. The US Air Force within like a fan
of three days shoots down three foign objects over US
airspace that they then they just stopped They didn't stop
(43:13):
because the objects were no longer there. They stopped because
the public freaked out and senators had to go to
another classified skip reefing about those objects, which you know again,
I pressed lawmakers Michigan, Alaska, on and others since then
to be like, hey, have you even ever asked to
(43:35):
see the photos of what they shot down? No? No,
And so that's where I was like, all right, plot thickened. Well, then,
just like a month or two later, David Grush plops
on this Congress's lab. Hey. You know, his first claim
(43:56):
is like, hey, US government has recovered craft biologics. Cool.
I don't own a congressional reporter that I'm probably never
going to prove or disprove that my sources can because
they're congress. But like, remember Grush's second claim, which made
this government and media professor just be like oh, because
(44:18):
CRUSH's second claim was, hey, Congress, uh, the executive branch
is lying to your faces. Literally, there are these hidden
SAPs or special access programs that are funded by you
but that are secret from you. And so once that dropped,
(44:39):
I was like, all right, and I think I don't
know if people in the community remember it, but like
all the other publications freelance, like all the other publications,
like same stories on Grush, you know, initially, and some
of the reporters were asking about it, like the day
of why just didn't have a commission, But I'm inquisitive,
(45:03):
so I just kept asking folks. And like when I
first dropped my piece for Wired Magazine, my only peace
on UAP stuff. So many people in the community initially
were just like, you know, found me on X the
band formerly called Twitter, and the y'all were just dumping
on me. And he was just like, oh, this bullshit,
(45:23):
because like this is a conspiracy theory love in Congress,
you know, whether it's anti vaxers dot dot dot, not
to digress, but like, yeah, conspiracies are flourishing the one
hundred and eighteenth Congress, So I put this topic within that,
and I think it might have been Dean Johnson. But
(45:44):
like someone in the community after like hundreds of people.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Were like, you know, throwing under the bus.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
This isn't fair, dude, Dean Towns or whoever it was,
literally took my voice completely out of my piece for
Wired and said, Hey, UAP community, look at this. Whoever
this kid is, he's got nine, I think it was nine.
He's got nine different members of the Senate and Congress
(46:13):
talking about our issues like we never get this. And
then after that, you know again, I've been retweeted by AOC,
retweeted by Nat Gates, retreeted.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
By blah blah blah, but not together right but exactly, But.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like I never see like a huge spike in followers
after that, well after my voice was ripped out on
my piece, and then just my reporting is there, which
is kind of a beautiful compliment even if it hurts,
because I'm a great writer, Like no, Leslo, shut up.
Your subjects are what's interesting. And I probably gained two
(46:52):
three thousand followers, and I was like, all right, this
is different. And I already had the url asket pole,
so I was like, all right, I'm gonna deploy it.
So that's where I linked the URL that I own
food a hand full of years up to sun Stack
And yeah, then like hearing from the community, learning like
(47:18):
y'all are my guides, and like the beauty of basketball
is that basketball it's best, So we shut up. We
might be talking, but it's taking your questions and asking
it to your lawmakers, and like there's so much power
to that.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, it's democracy reporting and journalism because people are like
kind of they're upvoting.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
All this stuff. Yeah, anybody jump in, go ahead?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Sorry, yeah, No, I got a question. So I don't
know if you're aware of this or not, but Arrow
has a contract where they paid services to an anti
whistleblower firm known as Sancorp back in twenty twenty two.
And I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on
(48:05):
how soft the the hearing was for Arrow. I mean,
it looked like it was scripted well.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And so I think, and I guess this back to
the initial question. I can see because again I teach
political communications, so like I've got a course where I've
had a trunk pre secretary in there and you know,
a senior admin person for move on dot org. So
(48:35):
like first day of class, I would slam the door
shut and I say, your fucking politics stay out there.
We're here to just you know, talk everything else. And
so I think what I see from her common strategy
is because Arrow, like what Arrow was just birthday twenty
(48:58):
twenty two, maybe twenty two, twenty one.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Twenty twenty one. Yeah, but they paid. The thing is
they paid an anti whistleblower organization. This this organization is
very well known. It's known as sand Corp, and for
years they've been used within the DoD to go after
whistleblowers within the intelligence community. So the fact that they
paid them millions of dollars in a contract that is
(49:21):
viewable on US spending, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I just learned. I just learned from Nancy Mace after
the November thirteenth, she's the South Carolina Republican new chaired
the House Public hering on the thirteenth. The Arrow's budget
isn't even public. So I'm you know, before I even
engaged with that, I'm curious how a sand Corp contract
(49:49):
for an agency within the Pentagon and like what the
Pentagon just failed their stress tests or whatever they're audit
for like fourth fifth year row. So I'm curious, and
I'm on signal on WhatsApp Matt Laslow proton mail if
you got oh yeah, answer for this, let's classified or whatever?
(50:12):
Ping me and uh.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
No, no, this is public information.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, public information, Matt. If you actually click in the
uh the Twitter bubble there or whatever. I think somebody
just posted the sandcor receipt and the information there.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
It might have been t o red.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
That's from Yeah, that's from my other account.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Oh okay, that's from your other account, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
See that's where I'm curious and like maybe Mace was wrong,
but like if Arrow's budget isn't public, I'm just curious
how and anyway one thing I can say. Oh, yeah,
we're in the swamp. We're swamp creatures. So like even though,
(50:55):
like what my ex girlfriend who worked from the Obama
White House and is uh professor with me and Johns Hopkins,
she works for and it's kind of why we broke up.
Oh so I don't tell anyone, don't worry.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
The space is recorded.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
She works on the radio. Oh so I should stop swearing.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
No, no, no, drop it. It's totally open game here.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
So my ex she works for McKenzie and like me,
as someone who's covered drug policy, I'm like, oh, so McKenzie,
you all are the ones who helped Purdue forma Oh god,
millions of Americans you know, and so like that's that's
who McKenzie is. But McKenzie is.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Also are they a PR agency there?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
But they're no, they're a contractor that there's just they
just take baths and millions too opulent for me. I
had to go back to being broke. I don't know
what uh sorry, money laundering. No, this is legal money laundering.
And so all these contractors and even like this is
(52:15):
like the Washington game. So how big Pharma does it
is the same way that raytheon and they then do
it is DoD wretch out your contracts to every district
and you stretch them out and you diversify your portfolio.
That is just your portfolio is just raking in billions
(52:35):
from the government. They're always going to have like look
at this, we planted a field over here, like, oh,
we fed children over here. Oh, we're helping with education
over here, and then we kill babies over here and yeah,
for lack of a better example, we supplied.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
So that's where slow release heroine to most of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yep. Yeah, which is why we're not together anymore.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Sorry to hear that. Man Upwards and worlds.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I came to this town with I'm leaving with.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Good good man upwards and onwards and there upwards.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
And on there to way.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
So let me let me ask you another question real quick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Go for it for me, brother. I just want to
because I've danced around this a little bit. YEA, the
Arrow hearing with Jillibrand, I think her big intention and
like this is not me defending her or whatever, like
what she wanted and I think which would have made
her leg to Somersaults is she wanted it packed. She
(53:43):
wanted all of you all listening and watching because she
thought she was answering your questions and really get that.
You all think like, well, she flopped, but she was
coaching Arrow, you know, but she was interviewing.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
She was like interviewing a Patsy and there was only
one person.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
No, it seemed like it seemed like literally Aero said
to the two Congress that, you know, this is a
national security issue and this is how we're going to
do this hearing, and then like that's my opinion on
it because it seemed like they were giving softball questions.
There's no hardball questions. I mean, they avoided the fact
that Grush went to them and said that there was
(54:28):
a program within the the the CIA that's doing crash retrieval.
So I mean, like, what what was that hearing because
it seemed like it was just a pr move for Aero.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, wait, don't forget. After the hearing at asket Pole,
we broke the news. And again I think this is
where chulo Brand doesn't get the community. But it was
after the hearing that she broke the news accidentally to
me and I said asket Pole that, oh, two new
whistleblowers have now been talking to Arrow, and like, if
(55:04):
you go back and look at that exclusive we had
with Jilibrand at Asketpole, guys, she kind of admits in there,
and to your point, she kind of speaks over her
chairwoman's self in that hearing, because when we get her after,
she's like, hey, we need this community to tell us.
(55:26):
She's like, anything that's not in Arrow's book, Hey, whistleblowers,
if you have a program that's not in that book, ding,
ding ding, tell that to Congress because oh, she's like,
we're actively looking for discrepancies. Because Jillibrand and Senator Rounds
from South Dakota, they're both convinced, even though they passed
(55:49):
bills in last year's NDAA to sniff out funding for
these SAPs kind of in line with what Grush was
getting at. Even after they passed those amendments intended to
sniff them out. Both of them in this Spring were like, yeah,
we're convinced that they're still hidden programs from us.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
So they're kind there's something pining for more and more input. Guys,
they know that they don't have all of that.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
I gotta go to I gotta go to break here,
I gotta go to break. I gotta cut to music
to go off of KGRA radio. But we're going to
stay in the space. Give me about forty seconds and
we'll continue the conversation. Thanks, guys, you got forty two,
(56:39):
two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
But she's picking up a massive object in this video.
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
In bulk in head. Honchow walks out ear reveal. Yeah,
the crowd goes, oh my God. Was to protect the
secrets from the Air Force that were not out there
in the public.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
So
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
She's picking up a massive object in this video. Ships
that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Bulkan Head Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the crowd goes, oh,
my God. Was to protect the secrets from the Air
Force that were not out there in public. So welcome
(00:46):
back everybody. Were Uh, we got another great show for
you tonight. On last night on UFO Twitter tonight, we're
talking about Laslow from ask UAPs. I really like this
guy's what he's been doing. I've been following a lot
(01:06):
of his.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Twitter and his sub stack.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You should go check him out. His website is ask
apole politics dot com. And usually when we have our show,
every the starting of the show, we always have Dale
from Observer of Anomalous Objects to come up. So I'm
gonna bring in Twitter here and Dale is going to
(01:34):
just give us a positive message to start us off,
because it's pretty negative out there and we like to
have sort of a positive message.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Dale. Take it away, brother, Dale, We lost them now
you got me, gotcha?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Okay, I'm here brother. Sorry, anyway, I wanted to welcome
Matt to the space. I kind of feel like we've
been hanging out for a while, and you know, two
podcasts in a week's time. He's my brother from another mother.
But hey, there's somebody else here that I want to
also point out.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
My wife's here.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She's into space tonight, and so it's kind of like
a family thing, you know. I like to start off
with kind of like a catchphrase. This one's not going
to be complicated. It's actually pretty simple. It is be thankful.
And you know, that makes a lot of sense since
tomorrow is Thanksgiving. You know, for many people, Thanksgiving is food, family, football,
(02:45):
and long naps. Really it's about a four day weekend.
That's not exactly how it was in the beginning. The
Pilgrims in sixteen twenty one gave thanks for a successful harvest.
The first Thanksgiving was all about being thankful. Thanksgiving is important,
(03:05):
I said. Thanksgiving is important. No matter where you are
in life, you have something to be thankful for. You
might have it bad, but someone always has it worse.
I said, you may have it bad, but someone always
has it worse. In fact, I was watching a YouTube
video last night, and I was shocked because this eighty
(03:28):
three year old man was arrested for rubbing a bank.
And you think, why in the world would an eighty
three year old man rob a bank? What's because he
was desperate. All he had to live on was his
social security. Didn't I say someone has it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Worse than you.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
You know, in our UA peak community, we have a
lot to be thankful for. Let me mention just a
few things. We can be thankful for Congress and the
UAP hearings. We can be thankful for the whistleblowers and witnesses.
We can be thankful for reporters like Matt Laslow, George Knapp,
(04:08):
and Christopher Sharp. We can be thankful for UAP USO
filmmakers like Darcy James Fox and those that are putting
together the series like Investigation Alien on Netflix. We can
be thankful for podcasters like Bryce Zabel, Ross, Colthark, George
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and Jeremy matt Ford and Coast to Coast and believe
it or not, we can even be thankful for news outlets,
especially recently with News Nation. The stigma is finally beginning
to go away. And of course, last but not least,
let's not forget about those who've gone before us. I'm
(04:50):
talking about researchers UAP researchers like Donald Kehoe, Stanton Friedman,
Jay Allen, Heinek, James E. McDonald, Bud Hopkins, and John Mack.
And so we have a lot in this community to
be thankful for it, and so let's make sure that
we are thankful. Let's make sure that we are thankful
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and not think less.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Thank you so much for that, Dale, I am grateful
every week that I get to put together a little
show for y'all and just interact with the community and
talk to different speakers.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And you know, it's been along road, this whole UAP subject.
It's now. UAP was UFO when I first started checking
it out, and it was very fringe. It was not.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Something that everybody wanted to talk about. And these days
that's it's still the case. But there is more reporting
there is there's more mainstream coverage of it, and people
like Matt Laslow are heroes to the cause, like to
revealing more about this. Look you talked about desperate, Dale,
(06:10):
I'm desperate for more information.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
And I do feel.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Empathy for people around the world who are desperate. I
mean look at what's going on with Russia. I would
say they're desperate for a win, and I really really
hope that that doesn't result in some kind of nuclear attack.
Nuclear I don't know, I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. But anyways,
(06:40):
let's bring up Dale. Sorry, let's bring up Matt. Matt,
you're here. Everybody check out ask a Poll, underscore UAPs,
subscribe if you haven't. He's really doing some great work. Matt,
introduce yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Man. Hey, hey, hey, that's that's a lot more thanks
than we ever get here in Washington, but rightfully so,
because we're swamp creatures, so that's on us. Oh but hey,
pleasure to be with you all on a Turkey day eve.
(07:20):
I'm a political reporter professor and John Tompkins been covering
Congress and stuff like eighteen years. And then I teach
on like history of the media, history on how politicians
have used different mediums and oppressive used different mediums over
time to adapt their rhetoric to the new reality of
(07:42):
the new mediums. And then one of my side gigs
is askapoll dot com, which we launched, I guess just
a year and a half ago. But that's where I
know many of you from all freaking rock starck and
you keep keep my heart beat up and my feet
(08:05):
walking and running chasing these lawmakers. I think it was
just last year that they interviewed all one hundred US
senators and David Grush's claims which Congress has still not addressed.
And so yeah, right before I came on here, I
think it was Chris Sharp and but like they just
(08:31):
announced that sixty British troops are being sent over here
to the US to help us, the American near the
trillion dollar a year military, figure out what the heck
is flying overhead, specifically over US military and nuclear sites. Yeah,
(08:52):
thanks my friends in the Wall Street Journal for finally
you know, getting on board and investigating this like a
month or so ago. But why do we need the
red coats? And all my British friends out there were like,
we need the red coats?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
The Tories are coming.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Wild.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I mean, you you are a rock star.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You got a bit of a rock star haircut, you
kind of you rock the tie, but I could tell
you're more punk rock about that tie.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I actually actually got my start covering music and entertainment,
And I say, are my French, But I say I
know how to deal with asshole politicians from dealing with
asshole musicians.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Dude, I can imagine it must be like ten hundred
times worse.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Right, politicians are polite.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Politicians are worse. Really, I'd rather have a raging cocaine
singer throwing stuff off the balcony than a politician just
staring me straight in the eyes and lying to my face.
There's a certain type of cold that can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I love your style though, you're always like camped out,
ready to go, just like pounce on them after they've
walked out of hearing or a meeting room, Like, can
you walk us through a bit of how you go
about staking that that snipe interview out, like getting them
as they're on the way to their car and stuff like.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
That, Like do you have a bit of intel?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Is Nick gold you know he's does he have the
binoculars out?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Is he radioing you? What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, so I say, our job as are reporters, you know,
political reporters is can be described best as hurry up
and wait, but r professional stalkers. And so I consider
the US House of Representatives, that's four hundred and thirty
five members. You know, and every different reporter has different beats.
(11:04):
Like I, over the years have covered Congress for a
bunch of different local NPR member stations, so like I
already have relationships I know these lawmakers, but in that time,
I've learned like, oh, there's a vote the old men,
Oh they're gonna need the men's restroom on the like
(11:24):
that side of his house chamber. Ladies, there's now a
ladies room thanks to John Bayner when he was Speaker,
he put a ladies room in on the opposite side
of the men's room. So, especially the older ladies, if
there's a long vote series, they might be popping out there.
But then you kind of learn, all right, if it's
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raining outside, then Senator Booker, who loves to give his
exercise and loves walking outside, if it's raining, he's probably
gonna become an underground orbion dropped off Senator Jillibrand. Every
time I take the Senate elevator down, my office little
cubicle is on the Senate side of the Capitol. Whenever
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I'm taking that elevator down from the third floor to
the basement, I always click one. Even if other people
are on there. You know it opens up on one
and they look at me like, can't you leaving? And
I go, nope, just doing my jill a brand check
because she always gets dropped off on the first floor.
And like, just as I like, my last interview in
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my notebook before Congress gave itself all Thanksgiving week off
was a one on one was Senate Judiciary Chair Dick
Durbin on the pace of judges that Democrats are trying
to rush through before Trump takes over in January. But
literally I had my backpack on codon. I was ready
(12:49):
to be gone, and then the door opened on one
and there I'm just smiling at Dick Durban and I
look at him and I go, sir, I'm sorry, but
you're here. So I got to interview you. You know,
I just scored a nice little exclusive with the sen
A majority.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Whip snipe.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's so you kind of learn the tricks of the trade.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What For years, like yeah, like two or three years
when I worked for k T Austin's NPR station, just
Lloyd Toggate, congressman down there, would not talk to the press,
just avoided us. I couldn't even find out how he
got on the floor. Then the brother broke his foot
and then he had to be wheeled in for the
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Speaker's lobby and that's where I, you know, smiled a
little bit. It was nice to him. First time I
go up to a lawmaker, I'm not asking questions. I'm
introducing myself. Mike's at my side. Hey. That and when
I'm over so like just last week, Lloyd dogg It
comes up to me smiling. Hey, I'm like, I got
(13:58):
nothing for you because you're about to be the minority.
I know you are the minority mass you don't matter,
but yeah, you just treat politicians like humans, even though.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They're demi gods not humans. Oh there's swamp cret.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You're robotic and like, that's why I have to remind
myself daily, like I interview five hundred and thirty five
liars for a living, Like there's just you know, some
of them are good people, but there's something about getting
elected at that level where you gotta sell a little
bit of your soul. It's it seems, yeah, you know
(14:39):
if any of them haven't, but I don't.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Think I know them, So you kind of remind me, honestly,
a bit like Hoggle from the Labyrinth You've memorized all
these different areas of the Capitol so that you could
pounce on politicians and get into to questions that you want.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What do you think is like the hardest h Q
and A you've ever done? Like, has there ever been
a really bad situation where you were like stalking one
of your prey and it just didn't go down the
way you wanted?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Oh? You just I mean, And y'all heard this name
Matt Gates in the news a little bit lately. Matt Gates,
who many of you are in the UAP community really
love him for, you know, him being outspoken on this issue. Well, likewise,
(15:41):
Matt Gates always loved me for my drug coverage for
Playboy Rolling Stone. That, like, I think probably Matt Gates
is like besides the day he took out former Speaker
McCarthy before that, I think his favorite day in Congress
was when Growing Stone my story put AOC and Matt
(16:05):
Gates you're like working together on psilocybin. You know, he
retweeted it. AOC never retweeted it. You know, he loved
it and always wanted to be like, you know, write
her coattails, but no, she wanted nothing to do with
him in part because of all the reporting, some rumors,
(16:29):
some not on Matt Gates. Well, so pointed the story
and answer your question. So Daily Beast I was a
contributor handful of years back, five or so, they had
a reporter who was doing like Gates invited some alt
right dude like, you know, Nazi sympathizer, Nazi whatever the
(16:51):
headline was, he invited him to stay to the union
with him. Well, so all these publications start doing Gates profiles,
and Daily Bast they had a young reporter up in
New York who was doing their profile but like calling
up people who went to law school with calling up
people he did as undergrad with and like it was
(17:13):
a younger reporter. So Daily Beast tapped me. They're like, hey,
you help this guy out and also bring a little
texture from Washington. So I was like, yeah, I will
bust out my rowodex because I covered Congress for WLRN,
which is Miami's NPR station, also WFSU, which was Tallahassee's
(17:34):
NPR station, and then a handful in between. So I
had a decent rolodex for flora sources. So they tapped
me for this and Gates doesn't know I'm working on
a profile, so I'm just standing there kind of eavesdropping
when he's being profiled by this GQ writer. You know,
(17:54):
it's like I think it was a threat, but it's
just like smartly dressed, just like, yeah, dude, Gates is
like thinks he's the ship. And I hear Gates sell
the guy. Hey, there's thirteen publications that are doing profiles
on me.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Uh and then there and then he says in the
Daily Beasts, but I'm avoiding them because I think they're
looking for my birth certificate.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why so why the birth certificate?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Gates? Because well he just said that. But he's like,
I'm getting calls from my law school and undergrad friends
who are like, hey, some Daily Beast reporter just called me,
so like he.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Knew he had no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Too there no, no, no, So this was the guy
in New York. Well, so I'm helping him out with
his thing. So I hear from two of my sources,
two that I trust, but that I couldn't publish on.
And I always go by the rule of three. You know,
(18:59):
I studied to be a pastor, like way back in
the day. Actually in Marjorie Taylor Green's district. But like, so,
like I go by the rule of three biblical or whatever,
but it's just a good rule for journalism. If you
don't have three sources, it's not a story. Care about
your story? Yeah, I just don't care, you know. And
(19:20):
so I didn't have enough. But like because there was
those thirteen or whatever profiles and Gates Daily Beasts was like, no,
we don't want to feed any more oxygen to this,
like Prima Donna. So like we're just gonna hold it.
When something newsy or timely happens, Boom, we got this profile,
(19:40):
we're just gonna drop it. Then it's just like three
four months. And like me, as a freelancer, I'm not
getting paid even though I didn't work, because you don't
get paid until you're published, and so this is ridiculous. Well,
so I think I was pretty hungover on a Friday morning,
and I was just like, we're gonna go find Matt
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Gates and there's a house oversight hearing, and so like
I just stand outside of where I know he's going
to exit the house oversight, which is where you all
have seen me or gotten all these exclusives on uh yeah,
the crush hearing after November thirteenth point, It's like Gates
walks out of house oversight and you're hungover, so walking in,
(20:25):
start walking with him to his office and I just
go It's like, this is what I had for sources
that I trusted, and actually the Guardian or Miami Harold
got it like a year later. But so I just go, hey,
Congressman Gates, can you help me out with this? Was
it three points when you fucked an intern in Tallahassee
(20:48):
or was it three points when you fucked the senator?
I forget the numbers, because god, he was a part
of a points system where they literally scored whether they
were sucking an intern, house member, lobbyist, or senator. And
Miami Herald got that story a year after I had it.
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I just wasn't there in Florida, so I couldn't like
solidify it seeing Matt Gates turned pale as it goes,
and him kind of playing five dimensional chest with me,
just staring at me like, wait, you don't have it.
Last though you don't have it. I just want you
all to know that so good that year I slept
(21:31):
so good that year knowing that Matt Gates couldn't fucking
sleep a wink that year because his own disgusting past. Wow,
nipping it heels.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
What kind of point system group is this? The skulln
Boners group or something like?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's actually a good one. Matt Gates might give you four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Points that that was a good joke. Yeah, that was
a good joke. Skulln boners.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Geez man.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So but that's where. That's where, like I'm an uncle,
time's ten. I just want y'all to know, Yes, Gates
is a very politicized name. Do not let him near
your wife or children or niece's, nephew's cousins. Like that
guy doesn't even trust himself.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Wow, wow, dude, any we could make a documentary about
just that encounter and story that. I love it, dude.
I wanted to meet up with you in Washington, d C.
I was over there for the November thirteenth hearing.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I actually got in. I was one of the last
three a Canadian that got in. It was amazing, dude,
it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I loved it completely, you know, soaked up the experience.
Interviewed Nick Gold when I was out there. It was
great to see him. He's definitely somehow I look like
a giant next to him. Uh, but you know, uh,
it was amazing, just the whole appear.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
When you were wearing your you were wearing your skates.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Right, yeah, I was where my rollerblades.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I always wear skates, right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, of course so so. But the November nineteenth hearings happened,
and I heard you were quite hopeful about those. Dale
was informing me yesterday. He interviewed you the other day.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Can you just tell.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
The crowd here on the kg R folks like why
you were hopeful? Like the Arrow hearing with Susan Go like, man,
she looked real bad w GoF whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I know, I can't pronounce her. Wait real quick. And
this actually brings me back to your first question. I
think most people on here have seen it. But like yesterday,
we did a big what is it? We made a mistake,
We made sorry, okay, in mine just left me. We
did a correction. No, we did a huge correction. So
(24:07):
that day, November nineteenth, that hearing was listed as you know,
closed then open. There's not many classified skiff hearings going
on in a week in Congress. It's usually two that
(24:29):
are kind of scheduled. I think every Tuesday Intel Committee
meets and then kind of Thursday before they head out
of town review stuff. Like who knows what they do.
They just do their Intel stuff. And so in talking
to members and staffers, I'm like, hey, I'm going to
cover the skiff briefing at two thirty and so Senators
(24:54):
I have better staffers, and I don't think they were
just like messing with me, like they tell me like, oh, yeah,
it's not in the Senate skiff, the one like connected
to the Capitol or whatever. They say, Oh, it's actually
Senate heart to nineteen, which is there's a I just
(25:15):
learned this this week. There's like I guess that's where
Senate Intel has like a permanent skiff and kind of
their meeting room. But like Senate heart to nineteen, that's
the huge auditorium that you all have seen when Katanji
Brown Jackson was being you know, her nomination hearings first Cotus.
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That's where Skalis it is Clarence Thomas, like that's the
room where it's just it's the newest house or part
of me. It's the newest Senate office building. So when
they made it, they made this huge auditorium. Oh pardon me,
that's also where that one staffer, the carden staffer, was
having a gay sex on camera and.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Got oh god, I know he did that in in
the congressional hearing, right, he actually like took out the things.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And then he got fired very quickly after, because when
the Kennedys did that, at least they didn't record themselves.
But that's an aside.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That would have been so fun for you to cover, right,
Like how outlandish and clownish was that event?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, so that's the thing. I'm standing outside of this
hearing room. Yeah, this like private room next to that
huge hearing room. There's an MPR reporter there. There's a
I believe it's a Russian reporter, but who was covering
the Ukraine thing. And so like I kind of let
that guy go first because I was thinking, oh, are
(26:50):
they doing It's part of this briefing on what Biden's
just signed off on those new uh you know, allowing
Ukraine to bomb Moscow, you know, to use those long.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Range holistic miss or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I was letting him ask his questions first, and
it was weird because senators would tell him no, it
wasn't about that, and I was like, wait, Usually senators
like to really say nowhere yes coming out of classify,
but they were just like no. Then I asked a
couple like, hey, UAPs come up some of them and
(27:34):
in toy with me, but they kind of do. Like
Senator Langford, who I think is one day going to
be these Republicans from Oklahoma, So we probably in the
Senate seat for life if he wants it, Like I'm
pretty sure he's going to be chair of that committee,
you know, really in the next decade. We'll just he's
so wise. Well, for one, I think both parties kind
(27:56):
of want a lifer in that seat, Okay, someone who's
like they don't have to worry about their election, so
they don't have to worry about and it makes sense
they don't have to worry about fundraising from all the
nefarious spots that the party leaders are gladly fundraising from,
you know. And so he I walked with him to
(28:18):
the elevator and I hadn't talked to him about this
issue since crush Well Langford, and I forgot this. He's
so wise, He's just letting me tell him what each
one of my cards is.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
So he just keeps letting me talk, even though he's
like yeah at the end, he's like, yeah, I'm not
gonna discuss it. But then now that I think back,
I'm like, you just wanted to know what hand I
was holding.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Wow, you're smooth, even I think he was like right,
I think minister back in the day, so like he's
working on levels.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Took his adderall right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, so then we go to the actual hearing, and
so turns out there were two classified skiff briefings at
the same time, both at two point thirty pm Eastern
time on November nineteenth. And so I've been texting with
(29:27):
Joe KALs pronounced his dame, Sorry if I did, brother,
but the News Nation guy who you plugged earlier, and
I guess he was actually outside of the real one.
He says, Arrow folks never walked out of there. So
the first time he saw the Arrow entourage was with
me when we were outside of the Senate Jerkson office building,
(29:50):
the room where Jilibrand held that hearing, and you know,
we popped our questions off to him, and I feel
bad form joke because like we compare notes and I
was like, here's there's a lot of senators. Well, because
because there's six members of both Armed Services and Intel,
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Joe and I we had some of the same names.
You know, it was just the biggest cluster. And so
I just want to apologize to everyone. This is a
reminder to me, my journalism professorrself, to not trust one source,
two source, or even three sources, but to listen to
(30:34):
as many voices and then you might get the info.
But yeah, I listened to senators and sorry, that was
my mistake.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wild So.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There, So, how how are you hopeful about Arrows investigation
and the new director? I guess I'll just so pointed
to you that way.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So well, yeah, so I would only push back and like, guys,
I cover Congress and have for eighteen years, I'm not
hopeful about anything. When you all dale, God bless you,
when you're like giving thanks, I was like, grumble, grumble, grumble.
I'm stuck here in a steaky, sticky swamp. But no,
(31:20):
thanks for the reminder to be thankful, because like I'm
a former homeless kokeead where I was like eighteen nineteen,
Like every day that I'm in the Capitol, I'm like,
I don't belong here.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
You're blessed you know why.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's kind of why I do belong there, because I
see through all their bs. But like I my read
on what Juli Brandon was attempting to do within hearing is, Guys,
I think she's got a big crush on you, and
I think y'all keep breaking her heart. Maybe rightfully so,
(32:00):
because I know she's broken your hearts. But I remember
jille Brand ran for president. I'm pretty sure her or
someone on her staff. I'm pretty sure a younger person
on her staff alerted her to you know, UFO read
(32:21):
it where they're like, hey man, there's two point nine
million strong here, like this is an issue that we
have a lane for. But ma'am, you know, and this
comes from like the DC consultant perspective. But ma'am, you're
gonna have to navigate between those people in that community
and your fellow senators. So you're gonna have to walk
(32:44):
this tightrope. And I think she's kind of learning, like, no, no, no,
you can't walk that tightrope in this space. You know
you're gonna get labeled left, right or center, like you know,
shots are gonna come and so.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
But half of Congress thinks that it's demons, right, So, like.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'd say, half of Congress hasn't even thought about these issues,
even as laying the air Force base is shut down
for seventeen days. Yeah, foreign stuff flying overhead like they're
ostriches to the worst degree.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
What do you what do you make of that response?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Like that press briefing that happened.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
With the d O D guy, who was it?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It was like general something and they just kept asking
like what what are they?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
How could they?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
How could you not know what the drones are? And
he's like, well, I'm not going to talk about you know,
you know, whether it's I can't give away those like
that information. He just kept saying this, walking in circles
around questions that are just basic like are they Russian
(34:00):
Chinese drones? Or are they civilian? Like it can't be
civilian drones, right like and if it's not them, who
is it?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
What did you? What did you make of that?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So I didn't catch that. And neither Arrow or the
Pentagon have ever invited me to any of their briefings.
And you know what, I really want to be there
because I can hear your lies evasions on my screen.
I like to look lawmakers in the face when they
(34:34):
lie to me. Yeah, I don't like a squirm in
my presence. Well, so like with that, like.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
So what I'm talking about. It was like two days ago.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think, Uh, somebody, if you want to jump in
here one of the other panel folks, you can maybe
inform the crowd who it was.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But it was like a live.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
White House press briefing and they were all asking about
these airbase incursions and the guy just would not give
up any information whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Wait. The scary thing about that is, to answer your questioning,
there's a good chance the Pentagon or part of me,
that layer of the Pentagon, the pr layer, which is
very connected to the top RASP. But like there's a
(35:32):
good chance their clueless. You know, the whole question becomes
where are the silos? Because you know, members of the
Congressional UAP Caucus came away from the November thirteenth hearing,
you know, listen to our Moscowitz interview at Asketpole. He's like, well,
(35:54):
you know, he was the one who's like, oh, you
can't talk about fight club because there's a fight club.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Yeah, that was great, And so that's.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Where the question becomes. And like someone like Nancy Mays
or even AOC Alexandria Cazier Cortes. The reason they've been
at the table for this issue is because their hunches
nefarious stuff is happening with military industrial complex i e.
Contractors And so that the curious thing based on what
(36:28):
you're telling me about this Pentagon briefing. We're good on
my colleagues for finally now asking about it, but now
we're actually leaning on Britain to send, yeah, the experts
to help us figure it out.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I saw the posts that you put up here Pentagon,
and that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Didn't come for me, but I linked to a BBC article.
So now I'm like, wait, there's a good chance are
folks at the Pentagon, you know our trillion dollar a year, Uh,
you know, the folks addicted to our tax dollars. Uh,
there's a good chance their clue is, which is pretty
(37:10):
freaking unsettling if you really think about it. And like
that's where I pressed Senator Tim Kaine. And we haven't
dropped the interview yet, but I talked with Senator rich
he's the top Republican Senate Form Relations Committee, and like
he was in one of his briefings, and like I
(37:32):
just transcribed it before I hopped on here and like,
there's there's it there there because he's like, now, you
know what, I don't like to talk about this stuff.
Well then I was like, well, Senator Kane told me this,
so now Center Rich is listening a little more. And
then I divulge a little and he's like, yeah, I'm
(37:54):
not going to talk about it. But I'm like, wait, guys,
the near is now shining on you, this Congress, the
mirror that in their minds. The first to hold up
was David Grush last summer. We know there's been lots
of whistleblowers before that, but David Grush came directly to
this Congress, the one hundred and eighteenth Congress, and said, hey,
(38:18):
you are being ried to. There are hidden programs, these
SAPs within the executive branch, you know, within the broader
federal government, and you don't know about them, even though
according to this little thing called the Constitution, all funding
comes from Congress, so you're funding them, you don't know them.
(38:40):
There there's been this like slow awakening amongst lawmakers, and
I think like when it comes specifically to these incursions,
like the talking points are just out the window. What
if we reported it at basketball this year. You know,
just from c SPAN, we have Senator Kine pushing heads
(39:03):
of North Common South com publicly on the Langley intrusion
that was back in March. Well then you add Senator
Rounds also bringing it up. Senator Kelly from an astronaut
who is the biggest UFO skeptic. He's just like Kelly
(39:24):
is just like nope, they don't exist. So what does
Kelly tell us that ask a poll. Kelly is one
hundred percent convinced that American airspace is kind of daily
being intruded by foreign adversaries. Like that's a scary thought,
like literally take a step back, like because he's so
(39:46):
afraid of like it potentially being this other thing. He
just goes to what he knows and he's like, yeah,
it's probably China. And what he said is like, oh,
you know, you know, over the counter Walmart and stuff,
and they're just buying over the counter stuff. Why isn't
a military shooting a bunch of it down or capturing
(40:10):
it in a freaking net, Like I can take out
some Walmart drones. My dad taught me to be a
decent peasant hunter, and so that's where The interesting thing
to me isn't so much like informing them like blah
blah blah, it's just letting them trip over their own thoughts.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's like the responses from different layers of the public
that are engaging with this topic. So let me ask
you pointed question, then, what do you think this phenomenon is?
I mean, how long have you really been looking into this?
Where did you where did you become a UAP guy?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, so I answer your first question. I have a
stunted brain because me as a reporter, my sources. No,
me as a proud congressional reporter, my sources are congress
So again, I interviewed five hundred and thirty five liars
for a living. But I can't. I'm a professor my
(41:15):
whole m because like usually reporters, and like when I
first came to DC, I wanted to like move up
the chain, end up on the CNN and blah blah blah.
After like a year or so, I was like, no,
I never want to work for them. I would have
to sell part of my soul and no, I'd get
the million dollar house and then Bentley or whatever they're driving. Like, No,
(41:37):
that is not why I'm here, no you and yeah,
and so like this issue, I first got into it
when Crush we'll start on take a step back and
remember what me and my colleagues in the media have forgotten,
like the way they tell it to start of twenty
(42:00):
twenty three, US airspace was invaded by a balloon. You know,
the balloon floated from Montana all the way to South
Carolina and then they shoot it down. Well, in that time,
Congress had because the public was freaked out, they started
having these classified briefings and so I'm like, all right,
(42:24):
that's interesting. Well, then they were also having similar briefings
about the document stuff. So there was just talk of
classified content. Like there was a good bitepartisan debate which
Warner was at the table for along with a center
Corning from Texas Republican, where they were trying to like
(42:47):
overhaul US classification saying like yeah, we just overclassify stuff.
So like I'm at the table, I'm like, all right,
I'm a nerd, like I'm here for this. Well, then
don't forget. The US Air Force within like a fan
of three days shoots down three foign objects over US
airspace that they then they just stopped They didn't stop
(43:13):
because the objects were no longer there. They stopped because
the public freaked out and senators had to go to
another classified skip reefing about those objects, which you know again,
I pressed lawmakers Michigan, Alaska, on and others since then
to be like, hey, have you even ever asked to
(43:35):
see the photos of what they shot down? No? No,
And so that's where I was like, all right, plot thickened. Well, then,
just like a month or two later, David Grush plops
on this Congress's lab. Hey. You know, his first claim
(43:56):
is like, hey, US government has recovered craft biologics. Cool.
I don't own a congressional reporter that I'm probably never
going to prove or disprove that my sources can because
they're congress. But like, remember Grush's second claim, which made
this government and media professor just be like oh, because
(44:18):
CRUSH's second claim was, hey, Congress, uh, the executive branch
is lying to your faces. Literally, there are these hidden
SAPs or special access programs that are funded by you
but that are secret from you. And so once that dropped,
(44:39):
I was like, all right, and I think I don't
know if people in the community remember it, but like
all the other publications freelance, like all the other publications,
like same stories on Grush, you know, initially, and some
of the reporters were asking about it, like the day
of why just didn't have a commission, But I'm inquisitive,
(45:03):
so I just kept asking folks. And like when I
first dropped my piece for Wired Magazine, my only peace
on UAP stuff. So many people in the community initially
were just like, you know, found me on X the
band formerly called Twitter, and the y'all were just dumping
on me. And he was just like, oh, this bullshit,
(45:23):
because like this is a conspiracy theory love in Congress,
you know, whether it's anti vaxers dot dot dot, not
to digress, but like, yeah, conspiracies are flourishing the one
hundred and eighteenth Congress, So I put this topic within that,
and I think it might have been Dean Johnson. But
(45:44):
like someone in the community after like hundreds of people.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Were like, you know, throwing under the bus.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
This isn't fair, dude, Dean Towns or whoever it was,
literally took my voice completely out of my piece for
Wired and said, Hey, UAP community, look at this. Whoever
this kid is, he's got nine, I think it was nine.
He's got nine different members of the Senate and Congress
(46:13):
talking about our issues like we never get this. And
then after that, you know again, I've been retweeted by AOC,
retweeted by Nat Gates, retreeted.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
By blah blah blah, but not together right but exactly, But.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like I never see like a huge spike in followers
after that, well after my voice was ripped out on
my piece, and then just my reporting is there, which
is kind of a beautiful compliment even if it hurts,
because I'm a great writer, Like no, Leslo, shut up.
Your subjects are what's interesting. And I probably gained two
(46:52):
three thousand followers, and I was like, all right, this
is different. And I already had the url asket pole,
so I was like, all right, I'm gonna deploy it.
So that's where I linked the URL that I own
food a hand full of years up to sun Stack
And yeah, then like hearing from the community, learning like
(47:18):
y'all are my guides, and like the beauty of basketball
is that basketball it's best, So we shut up. We
might be talking, but it's taking your questions and asking
it to your lawmakers, and like there's so much power
to that.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, it's democracy reporting and journalism because people are like
kind of they're upvoting.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
All this stuff. Yeah, anybody jump in, go ahead?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Sorry, yeah, No, I got a question. So I don't
know if you're aware of this or not, but Arrow
has a contract where they paid services to an anti
whistleblower firm known as Sancorp back in twenty twenty two.
And I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on
(48:05):
how soft the the hearing was for Arrow. I mean,
it looked like it was scripted well.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And so I think, and I guess this back to
the initial question. I can see because again I teach
political communications, so like I've got a course where I've
had a trunk pre secretary in there and you know,
a senior admin person for move on dot org. So
(48:35):
like first day of class, I would slam the door
shut and I say, your fucking politics stay out there.
We're here to just you know, talk everything else. And
so I think what I see from her common strategy
is because Arrow, like what Arrow was just birthday twenty
(48:58):
twenty two, maybe twenty two, twenty one.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Twenty twenty one. Yeah, but they paid. The thing is
they paid an anti whistleblower organization. This this organization is
very well known. It's known as sand Corp, and for
years they've been used within the DoD to go after
whistleblowers within the intelligence community. So the fact that they
paid them millions of dollars in a contract that is
(49:21):
viewable on US spending, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I just learned. I just learned from Nancy Mace after
the November thirteenth, she's the South Carolina Republican new chaired
the House Public hering on the thirteenth. The Arrow's budget
isn't even public. So I'm you know, before I even
engaged with that, I'm curious how a sand Corp contract
(49:49):
for an agency within the Pentagon and like what the
Pentagon just failed their stress tests or whatever they're audit
for like fourth fifth year row. So I'm curious, and
I'm on signal on WhatsApp Matt Laslow proton mail if
you got oh yeah, answer for this, let's classified or whatever?
(50:12):
Ping me and uh.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
No, no, this is public information.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, public information, Matt. If you actually click in the
uh the Twitter bubble there or whatever. I think somebody
just posted the sandcor receipt and the information there.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
It might have been t o red.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
That's from Yeah, that's from my other account.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Oh okay, that's from your other account, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
See that's where I'm curious and like maybe Mace was wrong,
but like if Arrow's budget isn't public, I'm just curious
how and anyway one thing I can say. Oh, yeah,
we're in the swamp. We're swamp creatures. So like even though,
(50:55):
like what my ex girlfriend who worked from the Obama
White House and is uh professor with me and Johns Hopkins,
she works for and it's kind of why we broke up.
Oh so I don't tell anyone, don't worry.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
The space is recorded.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
She works on the radio. Oh so I should stop swearing.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
No, no, no, drop it. It's totally open game here.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
So my ex she works for McKenzie and like me,
as someone who's covered drug policy, I'm like, oh, so McKenzie,
you all are the ones who helped Purdue forma Oh god,
millions of Americans you know, and so like that's that's
who McKenzie is. But McKenzie is.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Also are they a PR agency there?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
But they're no, they're a contractor that there's just they
just take baths and millions too opulent for me. I
had to go back to being broke. I don't know
what uh sorry, money laundering. No, this is legal money laundering.
And so all these contractors and even like this is
(52:15):
like the Washington game. So how big Pharma does it
is the same way that raytheon and they then do
it is DoD wretch out your contracts to every district
and you stretch them out and you diversify your portfolio.
That is just your portfolio is just raking in billions
(52:35):
from the government. They're always going to have like look
at this, we planted a field over here, like, oh,
we fed children over here. Oh, we're helping with education
over here, and then we kill babies over here and yeah,
for lack of a better example, we supplied.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
So that's where slow release heroine to most of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yep. Yeah, which is why we're not together anymore.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Sorry to hear that. Man Upwards and worlds.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I came to this town with I'm leaving with.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Good good man upwards and onwards and there upwards.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
And on there to way.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
So let me let me ask you another question real quick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Go for it for me, brother. I just want to
because I've danced around this a little bit. YEA, the
Arrow hearing with Jillibrand, I think her big intention and
like this is not me defending her or whatever, like
what she wanted and I think which would have made
her leg to Somersaults is she wanted it packed. She
(53:43):
wanted all of you all listening and watching because she
thought she was answering your questions and really get that.
You all think like, well, she flopped, but she was
coaching Arrow, you know, but she was interviewing.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
She was like interviewing a Patsy and there was only
one person.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
No, it seemed like it seemed like literally Aero said
to the two Congress that, you know, this is a
national security issue and this is how we're going to
do this hearing, and then like that's my opinion on
it because it seemed like they were giving softball questions.
There's no hardball questions. I mean, they avoided the fact
that Grush went to them and said that there was
(54:28):
a program within the the the CIA that's doing crash retrieval.
So I mean, like, what what was that hearing because
it seemed like it was just a pr move for Aero.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, wait, don't forget. After the hearing at asket Pole,
we broke the news. And again I think this is
where chulo Brand doesn't get the community. But it was
after the hearing that she broke the news accidentally to
me and I said asket Pole that, oh, two new
whistleblowers have now been talking to Arrow, and like, if
(55:04):
you go back and look at that exclusive we had
with Jilibrand at Asketpole, guys, she kind of admits in there,
and to your point, she kind of speaks over her
chairwoman's self in that hearing, because when we get her after,
she's like, hey, we need this community to tell us.
(55:26):
She's like, anything that's not in Arrow's book, Hey, whistleblowers,
if you have a program that's not in that book, ding,
ding ding, tell that to Congress because oh, she's like,
we're actively looking for discrepancies. Because Jillibrand and Senator Rounds
from South Dakota, they're both convinced, even though they passed
(55:49):
bills in last year's NDAA to sniff out funding for
these SAPs kind of in line with what Grush was
getting at. Even after they passed those amendments intended to
sniff them out. Both of them in this Spring were like, yeah,
we're convinced that they're still hidden programs from us.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
So they're kind there's something pining for more and more input. Guys,
they know that they don't have all of that.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
I gotta go to I gotta go to break here,
I gotta go to break. I gotta cut to music
to go off of KGRA radio. But we're going to
stay in the space. Give me about forty seconds and
we'll continue the conversation. Thanks, guys, you got forty two,
(56:39):
two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
This isn't going to work.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
But she's picking up a massive object in this video.
Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
In bulk in head. Honchow walks out ear reveal. Yeah,
the crowd goes, oh my God. Was to protect the
secrets from the Air Force that were not out there
in the public.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
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