Osvaldo Franko's UFOs

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Ships that might be closed.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Bulk in head hon show walks out ear reveal. Yeah,
the crowd goes, oh, my God, was to protect the
secrets from the Air Force that were not out there
in the public.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
So welcome back, y'all to last night on UFO Twitter.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We are live on a bunch of socials. But the
name of the game for this show is every week
we have a different guest. They come on, they talk
about their stuff UFO related. Usually we have done a
demon episode. Demons are a hot topic, angels too. But

(01:14):
this week we're talking with Oswaldo Franco, who is a
disclosure activist. He's somebody that's experienced UFOs himself and he's
very well educated on the topic. I'd say, you know,
I ran into him in Washington, d C. For the

(01:38):
second ever EUAP hearing uh at, you know, Congressional Hearing
and great guy, really smart. I'm gonna probably gonna need
him to pop up as a speaker. I see he
hasn't requested yet. But I'm gonna turn over to Day

(02:00):
in a second. I'm just gonna pop in. Here's the
Twitter space, my folks here. Dale, how you doing, brother,
I'm doing good.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'm doing good. You want me to go ahead and
start now?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, Usually we have Dale start off the show by
just saying something sweet and positive to you know, maybe
influence reality in that direction. We live in a negative world,
so I'll let you do the talking for us. Dale,
go for it, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I appreciate it, Darcy. It just try to be light,
you know, in the world. Try to be a positive voice.
And you know that's why I'm here. Let me just
give you my catchphrase for today. My catchphrase is It's
a marathon, not a sprint. And that's what life is.
Life is a marathon, not a sprint. Now here's where
a lot of young couples get it wrong. They see

(02:59):
everything their parents and they automatically think that they have
to have it too. But they don't realize is that
it took their parents like twenty to thirty years to
acquire everything they have and buy something this year, maybe
something else in a couple of years, maybe five years
from that. They'd buy something else, and it takes twenty
to thirty years to get everything they have. And here's

(03:21):
the problem with these young people trying to have everything
that their parents have and having it right now.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's called debt.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
See, they don't have the money to buy it outright,
and so they go into terrible debt buying things that
they can't afford. And this is what usually happens. It
puts a heavy strain on the marriage, and some of
these marriages sadly don't survive.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
It also seems that people these days are trying to
live their whole lives in twenty four hours. Life in
the fast lane can get you killed in a hurry.
A lot of my friends are not here today because
of it. Let me say it again. Life is a marathon,
not a sprint. Life should be savored, it should be enjoyed.
And you can't do that if you're always going ninety

(04:05):
miles an hour. So slow down and smell the roses.
Life is a marathon, not a sprint. But so is disclosure.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I get it. You want disclosure, and you want it
right now. I get it. I really do. You See.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
My middle name is not patience. I am probably the
least patient man you have ever met. Well, that's what
my wife keeps saying. Anyway, I've said this so many
times over the last four years that it feels kind
of like a mantra. Now, what I've been saying for
the last four years is that we need to stay
even killed, not too high and not too low, but

(04:45):
even killed.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Balanced.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
In other words, the truth is, the community has experienced
some great highs in some terrible oaths. It's been an
emotional roller coaster, leaving far too many sick, and so
they quit.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I get it. Everyone is excited right now, and you
should be.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
We have never been closer to disclosure than we are
right now. But let me add this, we are not
there yet. And as I was taught as a kid,
don't count your chickens before they hatch. We have been
here before, No, not this close, but we have been
this excited before. I mean, just think back to twenty seventeen.

(05:30):
Just stink back to the House hearing with Captain David Fraver,
with David Grusch, with Lieutenant Ryan Graves and the Schumer
uap Amendment. But there were also setbacks. I mean, just
think about the first Senate hearing with Moultrie and Bray.
Think about Arrow and all the hope that we had

(05:51):
for it. Then a man named Sean Kirkpatrick ruined it.
And if I dare, just think about Mike Turner and
Mike Rogers, just to name a few. That's why I
keep saying that disclosure is a marathon, not a sprint.
That's why I keep staying to stay even keeled. Now

(06:11):
I'm playing the long game. Even if we are at
the ten yard line. Remember it's been seventy eight years
since Roswell. Think about that, seventy eight years. How long
have you been waiting for disclosure?

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Now.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
I'm not saying we should wait another seventy eight years,
because that isn't going to happen. What I'm saying is
savor the moment. We are on the brink of making history.
Not because it was a sprint, but because it wasn't.
And there are a lot of people we need to
thank for helping us get here, people like Jock Vla,

(06:47):
Stanton Friedman, Jay Allen Heinek, and Donald Keele.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just to name a few.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
And so let me say it one last time.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
It's a marathon, not as brind.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
That was beautiful as always. Dale, thank you very much.
You know we should. We should get you like a
buy me a Coffee link on your Twitter, don't you
think just so people can donate to you know, you're
the good cause of your positivity and such.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
I appreciate the offer, I do, but I'm happy the
way things are.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
But I do appreciate that, Darcy, you are for that before.
But thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, we're a link to even donate to your
your church. I don't know if that's something you're interested in,
but maybe we should.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Well I'll say this, Darcy, there is something I'm trying
to work and if I can make that work, we
can advertise it on the space. And it has nothing
to do with me, but I'm trying to help somebody
and if I can make it work, then maybe if
people want to do that, they can donate to that,
and that would make me very happy.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
That'd be great. Yeah, I mean, try to try to
set up something for your church, everybody. So Dale is
a pastor. It's not something he usually wants to talk about,
but he's a good guy. He's got a church that
you know, he is constantly maintaining and servicing the people there.

(08:21):
And you know, holding a good house of God, I
guess you would say, and.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
It's uh, it's not for the church, So Darcy, I'll
have to say that front. It's not for the church
at all. It would be for it'd be for an individual.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Okay, all right, brother, let's uh, let's move on with
the shows. So tonight we have with us Oswaldo Franco
spent spelt with the seed not a k Sorry about that,
ols Waldo. How you doing man? I heard you're a
bit tired tonight, good man.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, running around busy week already called super cools were
in New York City? Uh is what it is?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
He Everyone's well, yeah, dude, it's good to hear your voice.
I'm sure you're a busy man. We all have to
be super these days if we want to be successful,
and we applaud your work. When it comes to disclosure
to the effort of figuring out this UFO mystery, let

(09:32):
me ask you something so well, first, I want to
just say to everybody you follow him on Twitter. On Twitter,
his tigers handle is Disclosure with and says here host
of Disclosure Revolution with Osbaldo Franco UFO UAP Researcher Disclosure

(09:54):
Advocate thirty plus years, proud member of the ORB Research Bureau.
So why don't you tell me? Tell us how did
you get into uphology. Let's say, gosh, lowsy luck, lousy luck.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yes, well, when I was basically I had no choice.
I don't think I think I but like, I think
some of us are supposed to be doing this. I'll explain.
When I was a boy, around seven years old, I
and my mother and our upstairs neighbor were crossing, uh,

(10:38):
from one building over another. We live in New York City,
and we were crossing it, going across the roof and uh,
well we were going across, uh there is this weird
pulsing sound, like this woom woom woom sound. And I
remember like up, still a small boy at this point,

(11:01):
and I remember my mom talking to her friend and
saying like, hey, what's that sound? And they're looking left
and right, and I'm a little boy and I didn't
know any better. So I just followed the sound and
I looked up and basically there were eight to ten
like half domes like white and they were pulsing and
every time the thing would make it go off of
we get brighter and make the sound, and me observed

(11:24):
it for a while and then they would just went whoom,
and it disappeared. It didn't break up into little pieces
or anything like that. It just disappeared like it appeared.
It was this enormous thing. And basically we are maybe
two blocks away from the Hudson River, and this was

(11:45):
during the Hudson Valley sidings, and basically thousands of people
saw that UFO signing, but I don't know how many
of them saw that from the room of their building
and or heard it for that matter, but we did,
and basically I caught the bug, like like I think
about two days later, there was an old road stone

(12:06):
the UFO documentary called UFOs Are Real, and I got
sucked into euthology. And then shortly thereafter I found out
that my mother was a ufologist and so was my grandmother.
That this goes back in my family quite a while.
And I fought my parents decided not to bring me
into this, just not to mention UFOs at all, that

(12:29):
I just didn't need to be involved in it, and
yet fate had different plans for me. And basically I've
been running screaming from this ever since.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Wow, what is?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
But I'm still here?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well yeah, and I mean we're glad you're here. So
the Hudson Valley settings that was the nineties, right, that
was the eighties, eighties, late eighties. Yes, okay. And so
you're a New Yorker. Yeah, okay, I'm going to be
in New York tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I don't know, maybe we can meet up for a
beer or something. But yeah, man, I'm gonna be meeting
up with Julian Dorry to talk about some stuff. And
then the day after I'm gonna be meeting up with
the Camp Gagnon team. They do a really good show.

(13:23):
But okay, so back to you. So you've seen UFOs
with your naked eye, and so the Hudson Valley video
that these like half domes that you saw. How big
were they?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh? They were? This was large. The whole thing was
about the size of a I would say the house,
our large house, but took up the sky. I can't
give you the distance and things like that. Again, I
was like seven years old, but basically it filled everything up.
You couldn't see anything else except for this circle of
light on this black thing.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Okay, and you know you saw it, plus your mother
or just you and.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I saw it. My mother saw it and sorted on
neighbor But in addition to that, like hundreds of people,
thousands of people saw it in the neighborhood that night.
It was actually in the in the news the next day.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Okay, yeah, Well the Hudson Valley UFO sightings were pretty
far and wide across. Uh that was northern uh New
York state. So tell me, like I heard that you
were you know, we're kind of backtracking off of the
UFO subject for a second. Here, you were on a

(14:43):
reality TV show, Am I right?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
No, I was on MTV. I was, uh the subject.
All right, Well that's a bit of a well a
little bit of the backstory. I uh, hey.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You bring can you bring it a bit closer to
your face?

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, how's this better?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
It sounded like you're going for a walk in the
park or something there.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Okay, No, all right, uh, a little bit of that story.
I am an experiencer, and uh my I was again,
I've always been involved in UFOs. I was the young
one of the youngest founding members of Space, which was
a group for experiences called support program for abduct Dee

(15:31):
contact the encounters. And I was thirteen when I joined,
and I was known, you know, and you followed you
because I was, uh, basically the youngest person at any
of these meetings. I actually predate John. Uh what's the
social platform? Oh but John Greenwell yeah, actually for data

(15:58):
by a bit. But anyway, and my capacity of doing that,
I would go and give the UFO lectures and things
like that. I would go to the UFO or protests and
things outside of the UN And as a result of that,
I was asked by John Matt you were a friend
of me for a friend of ours to appear in

(16:19):
uh UFO special on TV, and I was the one
of the featured people on that segment.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Tell us about that experience. I mean, how how exactly
was that for you? Being on a TV show that
was produced by MTG.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It really had no effect, like I like, you know,
it was almost like, uh, nobody had seen it. It
was almost like it didn't happen. To tell you the truth,
I had no real impact in my life. You know,
people that knew me already saw me an MTV. But
it was like, you know, that was cool that it
wasn't It wasn't that big of a change or whatever.

(17:03):
It's not like now where you know, they all right,
like my experiences back then, people thought it was cool,
but it was a little bit weird. Nowadays, though, when
I went into those same people, I get a lot
more respect than even apologies.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Why what was the disrespect?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
At one point, tell me, well, all of these things
that happened these last you know, a couple of years,
just like you know, like extraordinary, you know, like like
that we're like really like you know, we're making some
like extraordinary gross.

Speaker 8 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so like that didn't really help me,
but I guess I again, I was, I was like
pretty early. This was in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, okay, so basically there was some stigma be uh
cast our way, so to speak, and say that again,
there was some differ respect earlier on because people were
giving into the stigma that UFOs aren't real type thing.

(18:07):
But then as all this stuff has happened recently in
terms of you know, disclosure progress, now people are being like, Okay,
that was messed up, sorry for that.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah no, no, that's that's exactly the case. That's exactly
the situation you know it's they you know, there's a difference.
People aren't like slowly taking us much more seriously, you know,
they're that much is like palpable. It's not it hasn't
hit critical yet, but there, you know, it's definitely there.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Right, So tell me, like what you thought of the Washington,
d c. Trip that we both were on. You know,
we both met at the Congressional hearing of November thirteen,
twenty twenty four. What was your feeling about that?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh, that was well, I would encourage anybody who can
go to one of those to go to one of them.
It was actually a lot of fun. You know, we
have a lot of we meet a lot of really
interesting people, a lot of like minded folks. It was
crazy like I was online and I met Chris Bloodsoe
and I met I met, I met a lot of
people actually a line like within seconds of each other,

(19:24):
like you know, uh it was like a mini UFO
conventioned you know, standing outside of that of the auditorium.
But I think that uh I was also it was
great for schmoozing. I made some valuable contacts as well
that uh I'm presently working with on an upcoming project

(19:49):
as well. So that worked out pretty well. But yeah, no,
the the the hearings are fantastic. I you know, I
think we can do better. I know, I look forward
to future hearings where this is brought up. I think
we're about to get an announcement about some things that

(20:12):
are going to help us to do that in the
next week or so.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
So tell me about your ORB Research Bureau. We did
have a little bit of a conversation offline about this.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Well, right now we're in a state of flux and
we're actually going to be changing the name as well.
But right now, that's nothing I can really get into
at the moment.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Can I make a comment real quick as of all
those mics a little hot and it's bleeding over when
Darcy talks, Just so you know.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'll turn it down a bit. I just turned it
up because he sounded a bit far away from the mic.
So thanks for that. Thanks for that.

Speaker 9 (21:00):
Dale.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, so did you meet Uh obviously you met with
like a ton of people online. You know, we had
a bit of a discussion about the ORB research that
you've you've done. You can't talk about that right now,
but are you I mean, are you looking to publish

(21:24):
any of that data. Is there are there any organizations
that scientific organizations regarding UFOs that you're engaging with in
terms of some of those pictures and stuff you were
showing me, I.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Let's see, Uh, there's developments. Let's just say that there's
things that are going on. You fology behind the scene. Uh,
Ethology behind the scenes is going through a lot of changes.
There's a lot of players that are about to emerge
out of nowhere, like in the background for quite some time.

(22:04):
There's a there's there's a lot of announcements that are
going to be happening in the very near future. And
it looks like this is our year in general phydepology.
I think it's very exciting, but I think any surprise
being known in the general public relatively soon.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
All Right, brother, I'm just gonna play a little bit
of something here real quick, uh so everybody can hear it,
and then I'll pause it and we'll have a chat
about that.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Senator.

Speaker 10 (22:46):
I want to thank you on behalf of some how
many of my friends and colleagues for.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Your Okay, so you were just speaking, Senator Jillibrand I
didn't even hear that. You didn't hear it No, okay,
never mind. I'm pretty sure the people on the interwebs there.

(23:11):
But there's a clip if you guys want to go
to Oswaldo's page there, his Twitter page, his ex page,
you'll see a little video clip where he goes and
speaks to Senator Jillibrand and I just wanted to get
Obviously you're pretty excited. You think you know Jill brand

(23:33):
is pushing this subject forward. What are your thoughts on
Arrow Oswaldo, Like, do you think Arow really knows what
they're doing or do you think they're actually trying to
help out with disclosure in some way? Where do you sit?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
It seems like they're under new management. The new manager
is doing a much better job of the old management.
I sort of that dealings with Kirkpatrick because of that
whole situation, or rather it didn't actually uh huh yeah,
Arrow and the initial Arrow was a joke to say

(24:19):
the least, like Kirkpatrick and these other people were clearly
playing games in the facts. I will at some point
have more to say about that when I can, because
it's I have a bunch of wrong stories and lead
to other long stories.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, let's talk about some of that come on, man,
it's all good.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I can't really I'm again, there's still stuff in motion.
But I can say is that I am profoundly disappointed
to the Democrats. I carried a lot of water for
them on this issue. There's a lot of games playing
and skulldugerie and even betrayal on this route.

Speaker 8 (25:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think people will be surprised what happened, you know,
and it's unfortunate. I take no pride in that I work.
I tried to work very very hard with and for
those people, and as you can tell, they didn't do
the right thing. As we are still waiting.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, so the I guess you're trying to say that
on both sides, like Republican or Democrats, we're getting some
betrayal in terms of disclosure.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Well let's see right now and we'll see how it's going.
The Republicans seem to be doing a better job. But
I mean, like and I and it's like it's awful.
I'm telling you man, The Democrats like they really shot
themselves in the foot when it comes to this.

Speaker 9 (25:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And it was completely unnecessary and really you know, that
is what it is, you know, And I want a
different timeline, and uh, we're still going to get what
we needed. And that's what's important. That's the that's that's
the big takeaway. We're close and uh we're super.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
Right on target.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
We're gonna we're gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Since I thought, okay, so is it fair to say
that you think that Arrow now is going to be
helping with the disclosure project? You're feeling positive about them,
even though.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
At this point, yes, I am from the things that
I've been hearing and from the people that I've been
hearing him from. Again, you know how things go. Like,
I was also like enthusiastic about you know that the
Arrow when it began. When uh I gave that packet
to Senator Jilli Brant, she said she was going to

(26:54):
give it to the guy in charge, which it is
in the second video, and uh, that guy think they
were protecting his identity. It was a Shaan Kafatrick and basically, uh,
we know they got all inflammation, but uh, it's just say,
there's a lot, a lot of nasty, weird things happened

(27:16):
in that story. And I think that and I know
it wasn't just me and mine. So you're gonna hear
more about that as I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay, so you're alluding to the fact that many different
people gave their testimony whistleblowers experiences.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
Oh no, no, listen man a lot again, Like I'm
I'm super disappointed because I il I carried a lot
of water for these people, and.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
So did a lot of other folks. And it's like
this is a fact. Is a fact they guys yet
to be told that it will you know, at some
point and there's a there's this all that was going
to work out for the network, out for ways that
we didn't anticipated to work out for us.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Okay, do you want to talk about new paradigm research institute?

Speaker 9 (28:15):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (28:18):
Should we?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Do?

Speaker 3 (28:19):
You want to talk about a new paradigm research institute?
Why don't?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Or yeah, why don't we? I mean, if that's that's
the disclosure that fiasco, yeah, tell me.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
All right, Well, in my lived experience, don't trust anybody
from the old guard this in general, this is is
don't there's a wildy and weird and they're always up
to some ship. Let's just say I had a I

(28:56):
had a very enlightening and unfortunate experience working with a
person of note and uthology that honestly should know better
than to run his organization in such a hostile and
basically cloth maner.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And this is at the New Paradigm Research Institute Your.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Rather Citizens for Disclosure, which it operates out of New
paradim okay and Danny operation. Okay, Well, long story short.
UH I was the primary organizer for the UH the
disclosure rally that happened in New York City, and I

(29:43):
UH basically UH tried very hard to get Danny she
had involved in this because he said that he wanted
to do something and eventually he was like, yeah, well
we'll came up with you. And so I went, I
got department, I got signs made, I got a did
a lot of work to know this rally and basically

(30:04):
they co signed it like they did it as well,
Like it was basically me, everything came out of my pocket.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You spent money. Excuse me, you spent money on that?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Oh yeah, absolutely everything came out of my pocket. They
didn't spend a cent. There's like New Paradigm put their
name on it, but like that was well meant wow, yeah,
with no help from them other than they like to
try to spread work. And they brought their feet and
they basically, like I was under the impression that Daniel
Sheehan was this great activist, and the thing is, the

(30:38):
man doesn't know how to old brownies, and they actually
gave bad advice and how to do these things and
contradicting other people that gave better advice. What we went
with Danny she had said insisted that we do, and
I was I was quite successful that what you needed

(30:59):
done the right. It was done in a way that
was strategic. We weren't so much doing this to fragg
down the general public. We were doing this so that
the people that work UH in like UH that work
in the building, including UH Schumer staff, could see that
we were there. And that's how basically like these things

(31:20):
like you know changed thats happening UH from that perspective,
and we were successful with that. We made UH we
made contact with some very interesting people as a result
of that morality. An opportunity came out of that rality
that I can't discuss at the moment, but it's also

(31:41):
very very interesting as well. But I digress, going off
into another tangent. But anyway, so we had that I
made some plans and how to do other actions and
I had come up with the concept of something called
Disclosure Day, and we had I had made a pubet

(32:04):
and everybody was congratulating me on the planet and We're
going to go forward with this plan. And then, Uh,
the next thing I know is I'm being cut out
of the.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Planet, cut out of Disclosure Day.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, like that. Not only that I being cut out
of it, but they tried to write me out of
the whole thing.

Speaker 9 (32:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And then that wasn't bad enough. They try they trumped
up Matthew things about me. They walked through and uh
started to try to delete our conversations with prove that
I created Disclosure Day, that they were very interested in it,
that I had already done except front did they need
these things?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Like?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You know, Basically, they tried to get rid of the
information that you know that contradicted there made a story
and fortunately I did everything have all of that. So
there's that.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay, So tell me like Disclosure Day.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
First of all, the original event that happened that was
in New York. It was a sunny day. I remember
seeing clips of it. I believe there was somebody at
the time that I spoke to that goes by like
estimate of the situation or something.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yes, he was there.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
What day? What date was that?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Oh? I forgot it was ago?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Was it twenty twenty three? I think right now it
was twenty twenty four, yes, okay, okay, And so you
had started that sort of activist group started working towards
Disclosure Day at that point in twenty twenty four. So

(33:54):
basically like from that, yes, uh, come up.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
With the idea months beforehand, and I had already like
plotted this thing, and like there's never player parents and
there are people working on stuff like this was a.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thing, okay. And it was the people from New Paradigm
Research Institute Citizens for Disclosure that had reached out to
you where you reached out to them, and there was
some collaboration on this concept to get that thing going,
Yes there was.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
The problem is is that after the rally, the organization
started to grow a little bit. And the problem is
is that they started running. Uh there's never running like
a cult. Basically, they got very very weird and clean.
They kept trying to steer anything towards in a spiritual

(34:58):
a direction, which is not really my thing. I'm more
of a nuts and boats guy. But whatever, you know,
do your thing. Uh, you know, I I have no
problems with people believing what they know believe. The problem
is is that I was pushed up because I wasn't
allowed to believe what I believed, just like you know.
And and the weird part is that they came at

(35:20):
even such hostility just like really just like nasty and
like literally making things up like they they they they're
shamelessly so and uh basically uh they would uh they were,
they were going in these weird directions they had started.

(35:41):
This is interesting, this is something that will interest a
lot of you. Now, this was last year, like around
the time, just before Disclosure Day was to occur, they
started talking about trying to bring Stephen Greer back into prominence.
They were actively we wanted to bring Greer in, and

(36:04):
they had this delusion that Greer and lou were going
to work together and somehow Danny Sehern was going to
make this happen. Great, yeah, yeah, completely, And I was like,
that's that's asina, that's completely that's not going to happen.
They think happens, no way, you know. But but they

(36:24):
insisted that this was the direction that we were supposed
to go with. Okay, amongst other things, they did a
lot of like really weird old hippie ship just does
not like that they listen like they've Most people you
follow aren't who you think they are, and unfortunately that's
also in the case with these guys. They're not these

(36:45):
polished like legacy activists. The thing is they've been hemorrhaging
members ever since. I was the first one that they
got rid of, but a bunch of people left with me,
and that number has grown and they've had they just risioned,
had to shake up where both of his lead henchmen
that basically did the these things to me, that both

(37:08):
been publicly worked up and like one after the other
about a month ago.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Wow, can you say who these henchmen were?

Speaker 9 (37:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Maybe in the near future.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Depends.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I might also be also, uh a furnishing evidence in
that way, it's not my word against them. You can
just believe what they.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Said, right, Okay, fair enough?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
So, uh exactly, It's like I've already had people attack
me for saying since it's like, who are you to attack,
you know, to say this is about the great Daniels
can It's like somebody that actually.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Has to work with yeah, you mean not somebody who's
actually lived experience that seem.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, exactly, this is not Yeah, it's not like you know, uh,
you know, for for a guy that's supposed to be
a good champion of indigenous people. You sure did my
ass And so.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Can you tell me then? What was was it like
working with Jim Garrison? When I met with him, he
was saying things like the devil get behind me and
stuff like that. Like really I kind of was a
bit alarmed by the religious sort of side of things,
and I was like, what isn't this is religion? Isn't religion?

(38:27):
And UFOs kind of separated, like I didn't really understand.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Well, well this is the thing. Yeah, Like, well Garrison
was or you brought him up, Yeah, Garrison was, uh
one of these two henchmen. And again I got I
got all the evidence. I got quite a bit of evidence. Also,
they're old people, and they were sloppy and their their
their their attempt to clean this up. They like like

(38:52):
all sorts of stuff. So you know, it's just has
to be honest, right, you know, you have to worry
about things like that. But you know, but that's apparently
a lesson. They haven't learned yet, but anyway, uh uh yeah,
so Garrison is uh honestly, he's a creep and a weirdo.

(39:17):
And I'm not the only person that is saying this.
Other people are prominently anthology. They're well connected and are
doing the right things. You know, I've said the same
thing about this man as well, Like he's these uh
like like listen that they're basically the scheme, they're weird

(39:37):
and he runs at diploma mill but says everything. They're
they're they're charging people for course. They're they're charging people
for courses in euthology, uh by uthologists that have been
like supremely debunked, like like dude, like the the idea
that they have that their professor for as well is

(40:02):
uh a guy that basically uh got caught twice uh
falsifying data about Roswell and had the publicly apologize and
confessed that he that he lied.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But are you talking about to come back? Are you
talking about somebody's that their name starts with Dawn? Yes, wow,
I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah. No, he's not any good. He sucks like he
sucks bad. Like all right, all right, do you remember
the Roswell slide.

Speaker 12 (40:40):
Yeah, slides too.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
So it wasn't bad enough that he got caught twice
play rising and and falsifying data about Roswell. He was
also the one that that brought slide into prominence.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Okay, And for four are listeners who may not know
the full backstory on the Roswell slides, do you mind
kind of doing a bit of a deep dive on
that just because you know.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, so there was these slides a few years back,
and uh there was uh there were these lives, these
old photo and these old photo slides that were found
in some attic that were in the possession of an
of a woman who was a scientist who valued a
number of years ago. And uh uh these these these

(41:34):
photos of bodies and this guy he started talking about
how these were like you know, early in crash Boys
and he brought it out. And the thing is is
that this was at a time when Reddit was now
and literally within I think forty eight hours, we had
found the whole issue with that, Like it was revealed

(41:57):
where that the bodies were. It was in Mexico from
Mammo FID battles. Uh, there's regular mummies, you know. In fact,
they were they they blew up the image of one
of the bodies and you can still read the place
cards in the museum.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Okay, yeah, I I've seen that photo. It's like a
little baby cadaver moment mfied and it's inside of a
glass case, right, yes, okay, And I think Jime Mauson
was one of the major promoters of that. He actually
as well.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, yeah, so again it's the same flacky people. Also,
by the way, apparently Daniel is attached to the Sun
and so has g.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Great so I remember him.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
It's it's just basically it's a schlocky club for losers.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Sweet. So I heard that that. This is what I
heard from my friend Richard Dolan. Okay, him and Mouson
held a conference in Mexico around the time that those
slides blew up, and Richard was invited to speak there,

(43:16):
so the whole time before leading up and then while
he was there, his bone was blowing up his email
people that are close to him saying, hey, dude, those
are totally fake photos.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
That is like a mummy When this happened today.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, so you know, rich told me when he found
that out he felt super embarrassed that he was down
there representing them being true, YadA YadA. He ended up
getting getting back from that and denouncing them.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Oh yeah, no, I remember what happened. He made this statement.
He says, like, what I can't tell you is this
will be with us for a high which is super ambiguous.
And the thing is he was wrong, as it were.
But literally the next day they.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
Have that word right.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And so he did make a statement after the fact saying,
you know, I don't I don't stand behind those slides.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
But he's an invited guest. They flew him out there,
He's surrounded by those people. What is he gonna say
in a foreign country. He's going to be a cool get.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
The air for yeah, exactly. He doesn't want to get jumped.
But but yeah, he told me it was so embarrassing
for him, and he's like credibility that he won't ever
do something with hime MOUs On again because.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
This great advice. I wish you would, wish you would
make a video about that. An all along lecture about
trusting was like, all right, do you want to know something, man?
All right, I'm as you know, these this this thing
with the alien bodies of hymen hyma does this every
couple of years, and every couple of years that the

(44:59):
mummy gets more sotistity. Now going back to the original.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
The first one, the baby Mummy, the baby mummy that
was in the rock photo supposed Roswell photo.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, there's there was u There
was a there was an alien that he was uh uh.

Speaker 12 (45:23):
Now he was selling.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Actually are you talking about Are you talking about the
Atacomma mummy that Greer was representing?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
No, no, no, no, no, this was before that. I
think it's a two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay, this is one of the precursor to the Nasca mummies.
Is one of the smallest.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I saw that in his office when I was working
with him.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, I bet, well this is the thing, dude, like
he lives on a monkey preserve with all those monkeys.
That was a monkey.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh you're talking about the metapek. Yes, it was stun
It was stuck in like a rat trap or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yes, and some guy and some fun and I still
at it. But it was just a handless monkey. Open
moms boughted from it and did the analysis.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah. I heard that it was like either a cappuccine
monkey or something like that. And the sick thing about that, uh,
it was all white and it's like pupils or its
eyes were completely white and it was bald. So what
they think happened what researchers Discovery Channel went down and

(46:37):
they tried to analyze it and stuff too. They figured
that whoever found this monkey that was caught in this
trap and dying, they dipped it in acid to remove
all of its skin and the melanin of its body
and to make its eyes white and stuff too. So
it was like in bleach or something like that. Actually,

(47:01):
maybe not acid, but bleach will do the same thing.
And I was convinced at one point back in the
day that that was a real little alien, right. But
you can see if you go back and look at
the videos or the pictures of it, it's got a
monkey's tail. It's about the same thing.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
It's not even just that. Or you check this out
years ago, there's a go Vice did a whole thing
on him and Moussan and they flew down to Mexico
and they and they did, and they made them look
like the hero like they do, Hi man, and these assholes. Unfortunately,

(47:43):
no one doesn't enough research, just enough you know, to
get the project done a little more.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
They they're there, and hema is basically all right, this
is how much juice he has. I'm a super famous
we actually have home was located on a and like
it it's like it's a state park and he has
special permission to live there with the animals. Okay, and basically, uh,

(48:20):
he lives there with like this huge like almost like
a monkey community. Okay, So this guy spends his time
with like these like greecious looking monkeys, and then he
can't tell that that thing is as a is the
body of a monkey.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Mm hmm, Okay, I get, I mean you can you
can tell, I can tell, but he can't. So I
mean this subject it attracts a ton of sensationalism, right,
Like it's it's already sensational enough that something is flying
overhead with unconventional technology, right like not false so fuels,

(49:00):
it's it's it's doing something. We all want to know
what the occupants of that craft are. Right, that's sensational enough.
But then when you get like these videos or pictures
that are shared that are actually false and they're used
to create more sensationalism. So people are entertained by it.

(49:22):
That's where we really go off track, am I right, Well.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, no, this is listen. We can't like, yeah, there's
there's too much there's too much of a carnival uh
atmosphere around the subject. You know. Uh, it's unfortunately it's
the carnival reval and it's supposed to be science.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
So what do you think of the Nasca mummies? Then
these are also uh you know. I I was down
there and spoke to a genealogist that did some research
on samples from Maria back in twenty nineteen, and they said,
it's just a human, right, but there's so many speculations

(50:13):
that it's an actual alien. And when I spoke to
Brian Forster, who lives in Peru, has lived there for
over twenty years now, and he studied the Parakis skulls,
which are the elongated heads, which are on the east
coast of Peru. They're not in the region that the

(50:36):
Nasca lines are, which is where these supposed Naska mummy
tombs were found. He said, Maria is an obvious like
bone doll construction, Like they've taken a Parakis skull from
the east coast and they've brought it to this area

(50:56):
where they're grave robbing actual Nasca mummy, and they've modified
the body and switched out the head and then changed
the hands and the feet to Yes.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Like I said, Heiman has been doing this weird alien
body thing for twenty years. It's just every few years
the mummy's got more addressed. He's been practicing.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
But I I think it's not him per se making them.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
It's like, oh no, he's like the uh, he's having
them made. And even if he's not, even if there's
somebody's providing them, and he's not doing any real research
into it, and it's accepting going to face value. He's
supposed to be a famous journalist. That's still uh. But
he's that's still that's that's that's just as not as

(51:43):
big that's delivered.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That's yeah, you know, this is it.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
He's on the tape. He's not a friend of this
cause uh, he's like Greer, he's other self serving ulitics.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
So have you ever spoken with Ivan Hannel, the lawyer
that now represents uh louel Zondo, Yes, I have, okay,
And he's also got some stories that he's shared about
the new paradigm research. Institute and and stuff that's come

(52:19):
out of that, I believe, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
All things that back of my story and evidence as well.
So it's it's just starting and it's going to be
evidence for this, and you can just believe what you read.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
So it just seems like there's a growing number of
people that are concerned with the direction that these folks
are taking things. And you know, when you hear Diane
Pasalka and Jesse Michaels and Jim Garrison and uh, you know,

(52:58):
uh Danny Han and uh, you know, the list is
kind of growing of people calling aliens, demons and angels.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I think that's a giant step backward, But I'm suspicious
of it. I think that honestly, when when we when
we dance around the core issues of uphology, it's always
been a distraction. It's a it's a way to talk
about something else. Can we ignore that we're not making
certain progress or or you know, to tell to take

(53:32):
our attention away from something else that's going on. And uh,
that's what I believe that this is, Like I like, honestly,
like I uh, this does consciousness has something to do
with the UFO, Absolutely but they don't tell you the
whole story. Uh, there's more to it than just that.

(53:52):
And what they do is they tell you about they
tell me that to do this thing, like all right,
they convinced you that the fastest and best way to
make contact or to see and see the UFO and
in contact with extraterrestrials and to go to the park
and close you sit there with your eyes closed, as
opposed to going off and doing week strict and and

(54:13):
and and and becoming a scientist or an engineer and
getting us the information and that you know, the technology
that we need. That's what this is going to change
is when we get access to the physical stuff. That
the second stuff is nice, but what we need, we
honestly know, we need to get a hold of physical
uh uh UFO technology. That's the game change, that's what

(54:36):
liberates us.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
All yeah, I mean, just to you know, put that
into perspective. If there really are special access programs, clandestine
capture programs to analyze UFOs that have landed or uh

(54:58):
you know, u aps that have been covered, do we
think that the scientists that are then analyzing these craft
or just walking around it twenty four to seven three
hundred and sixty five days a year going angels and demons,
angels and demons, Angels and demons, Angels and demons, Angels
and demons and demons, angels and demons and angels and demons.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
No, no, no, it's it's it's a bit too simplistic.
And the thing is the problem is is that at
the end of the day, listen, this is Asthma's party
Clark's third law that any technology that is significant in
advancement that's presented to a primitive people will seem like man.

(55:43):
And that's basically what But this is, this is extremely
advanced technology. It's not simply just like magic powers and
stuff like if you even look even now when you
want the sky to watch retrieval guys talking about working

(56:03):
with consciousness and psychics, they also talk about them needing technology.
That's the thing. We put the cart before the horse.
These sucking powers exist yet they do, but in order
to do meaningful things with them, like really meaningful things
like you see the Edhi do, you're gonna need some
technological aid. And that's what's really important, is the technological aid,

(56:24):
because that they're not really going anymore. You're just sitting
in the park with your eyes closed.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Right, I completely agree with you. I'm a nuts and
bolts guy, and I would think that if there is
a consciousness element to navigating these craft or connecting with
a non human intelligence, there has to be some kind
of unseen scientific force happening there.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
That's the way my heart and my mind full.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Well, depending on like the rumors of these stories are true,
and if like and the alien implants indicate that this
is indeed the case with beams are uh, these Xy
themselves cybernetically enhanced. They rely on this too. That it's

(57:16):
like we're seeing the same laws of physics from them
as well as us. You see, So we're gonna have
to make some compromises in the same way as that
they did. So we're gonna need neural chips and these
other things that work now, but they're gonna have unforeseen,
uh publicly unplanned u side benefits and abilities.

Speaker 9 (57:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
So you're talking about, for example, people that have alluded
to the occupants of some of these craft, like grays, like.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
The autopsies and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
The more detailed stuff, right, they seem to be.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
There site, they're cyber there in cyber organic they have
biological parts and they also have.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Right right, right, so they have a mix of technology
and biology. That's that's the singularity. Am I wrong? Like
we're we're approaching.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Well, honestly, that's probably where like this is, like you know,
we get concepts and stuff seen it from these programs
into our popular culture all the time. I believe that
that's you know, cyber organics and things like that. We
probably first saw it on a cadaver from a crash,

(58:32):
and eventually people decided to know we should start, you know,
mentioning that this is possible to has people with mechanical implants.
Let's something called the six million dollars then and then you.

Speaker 12 (58:42):
Know, keep going.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Well, uh, we are at the end of the hour
on kg R A Radio. I'm gonna play the outro
music here and we're gonna keep going for one more hour. Uh,
and we're gonna have some people come up and just
do Q and A and just ask you some questions.
If that's cool, let me rolls to the music. I'll
be right back, brother.

Speaker 13 (59:14):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago.

Speaker 8 (59:16):
This isn't going to work.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
She's picking up a massive object in this video.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Ships that might be closed, I can sense them in
my vicinity, So I guess I'm just very tuned in.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Walkin head, Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the crowd goes, oh,
my God. Was to protect the secrets from the Air
Force that were not out there in public. So all right,

(59:52):
we're back. So all right. There might be some people
that want to come up and ask you a few questions.
I did have somebody requested to speak earlier, but I
didn't want to disrupt the flow of our conversation, just
in case they were going to scream demons or angels
at us. Anybody TiO Red, you know, kat feel free, Kimball,

(01:00:19):
I don't you know, Carlos. If you guys want to
pop up, take part, ask some questions to our friend,
our guest tonight, Oswaldo, Franco, feel free, it'd be great.
What what do you think is so obviously you think
certain things are holding us back in the sort of

(01:00:42):
disclosure realm, and you're saying it's like the Old Guard.
I've had some I've had some good experiences with some
of the Old Guard, but I have had some bad
experiences with some of the Old Guard that is the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Higher you go up the level of prestige, the worst
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Additionally, yeah, I have all guard friends, but the good
ones are always in the middle of the room in
terms of their popularity, and even if they have better
and more interesting research, there's an element of social path
flowing into the top over here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
It's just that, Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I made
a documentary about the New Age secret space folks Corey
Good and David Wilcock, and you know, I've been critical
of that whole thing, and I think the organization GAYA

(01:01:48):
has a lot of pull at the conferences that happen
around the United States. And I think that I'm not
invited back to a conference because of that documentary. So
that's good for you, I mean, is it. I'd like

(01:02:08):
to go and meet with friends, and I'd like to
those people are your friends, Okay, I mean honestly, like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
This is this is it's it's it's a it's a cult.
It's a cult. Man. All of that ship is this
culty where ship they cover for each other to play
these games. I'm telling you, man, there are a large
reason why we don't have the problems that we should
should have. You know. I honestly, well, these people turn

(01:02:39):
out more often get know, they're not they're not you know,
they they they listen. I honestly believe that on some level,
this isn't a term for the religion to have a
last they're going to see if there's one.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
I honestly I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Don't see conventional religions existing much past disclosure like you know,
like but like in one hundred years fast disclosure, I got,
we're going to have a lot of people, you know,
and a type of religious like mindsets that we have now.
I would be really surprised if we do, uh, you know,

(01:03:18):
just because you know, we're going to be getting so
much information about how reality actually works and where we
actually come from and what's been actually been going on,
and you know, uh, I just don't you know, uh,
I don't. I don't see that uh surviving very much longer.

(01:03:39):
They try to. And I think this is why the
Jesuits and and the new ags and stuff are kind
of coming together to see it. Maybe they can hoist
us and do basically a hailberry see if they can
have this stick around for a little while longer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
But I just I don't see it, Okay, so you
think it really is like an old world religious institutional
mindset that's trying to protect like Christianity or something like that.
That's why, not necessarily even.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Christianity, but just like the concepts of religion and spirituality.
And I think that those things are both gonna like
they're not They're there, They're gonna take it, and they're
gonna make a huge hit, you know. And it's not
to say that they will completely disappear, but uh, they
will not exist nearly like they do now. And and

(01:04:31):
you know, and and a lot of the weird, a
lot of a lot of the weird ambiguity that is
taken up by spirituality will be replaced by scientific knowledge.
If one thing to be listen, we are too separated
from the rest of existence for us to truly understand
certain things. That's gonna change. And once like once what's
what's the stars are closer to us and you realize

(01:04:53):
that the stars had like you know, magic, likes dis
guy places that you can go to because you've been there. Yeah,
I think that's gonna do a lot to change humanity's perspective.
I think we're gonna think of ourselves more like the
gods of old you know, uh worsp uh. That's a concept.
I think like once we once we meet the gods,

(01:05:15):
we're gonna we will rather become like them than worship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Okay, you're you're a futurist.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Oh yes, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Okay cool.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I mean, that's I think it makes sense. Right, So
we've got TEO read up here. Uh do you ever
have any questions or comments?

Speaker 12 (01:05:40):
Yeah, I have a question. Usually I have a lot
better questions, but I kind of came up prepared.

Speaker 14 (01:05:45):
But you real quick.

Speaker 15 (01:05:47):
You did bring up earlier. I did speak to him earlier.
He said he is going to get back to you, Darcy.
So he's an awesome guy. I think he said he
loves your work, so he will get back to you.
I then handle, I do have a question. So I'm
because you know, I'm trying to understand, you know, like
just like everybody else, what's going on here? You know,

(01:06:09):
the other day I can't recall exactly I'm a little
stone right now, but I can't recall exactly what podcast was,
but it was.

Speaker 12 (01:06:16):
The one with Eric Davis and he was with soul.
I think it was the sole thing, and you know,
and they did like the open Q and A.

Speaker 15 (01:06:23):
Well, he answered one of my questions and so I'll
say what he said and I'll ask you a question
on it. But I asked him because I Loui al
Zando said, and Majestic twelve, then Day twelve is real?
And uh, then we have, you know, last November, we
have the hearing and in Michael Schellenberger he has tw
hundred plus pages that's not all Macau consolation but also.

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Has m J twelve stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:06:46):
But anyways, but Eric Davis asked him, and I said,
is Majestic twelve still around? And and I mentioned that
you know, Louie Alzando mentioned that that it is real
and that Cobal is real, and I.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Had but my question was basically to him, is m
J twelve still round?

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
And is the crap?

Speaker 15 (01:07:05):
I can't think what they're called right now, but the
consili And I said, are they, you know, basically the
main players?

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
I'm butchering my question.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
But who do you like?

Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
My question to you is who do you think are
the main you know, gatekeepers basically preventing disclosure? Because I
have my my you know, my own personal idea, But
what do you think is what's going on? Because I'm
personally getting at is it feels like there's like I've
already named at least ten groups, and it feels like
there's ten groups. I don't know which ones are pro

(01:07:35):
disclosure and anti disclosure, but in the mix is m
J twelve and the consili and they're definitely against disclosure.
So basically, what do you think is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
That's kind of a long wooded question, but I hope
that was okay question.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
I think that the the the like sabotage community well
and things like that, like you know, Seas five and
things like that, you know, people to open portals but
not letting them know that they need to close them,
you know, just like the Carouse bubble and let people. Uh.

(01:08:09):
I think that's like the level of the insidiousness of
the sabotage of this movement of ethology.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I think a lot of the spiritu leveling that we
have in euthology is going to be either from h
some groups like origin with groups of college or even
intelligence agencies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
That was a great question, and you know, that is
something that comes up a lot, like for people that
are listening who may not know as much as Teo read.
This guy is a human encyclopedia for details in the
history of UFOs. So obviously, Majestic twelve is supposed to

(01:08:56):
be the first functioning group that is behind the scenes
with the academic and scientific community as well as the
Department of Defense, like the military. They're collecting information on
UFOs and then they're keeping it to themselves and then

(01:09:18):
telling the you know, running psyops on the public to
keep the public from knowing the truth about all this stuff. Right,
So that's been Justic twelve. There's documents people have argued,
you know, oh they're fake or they're not. And I'd
like to dive into that one day, maybe do a

(01:09:39):
documentary on it. But there's other groups. I mean, I've
talked with Dolan about Zodiac is a code name apparently
for a very similar group, Stumblebean. And I want to
say Howard Blum wrote a book called Out There, which
was his whole investigation into the cover up, and he

(01:10:04):
said he found out about in this is during the
eighties there was a group called the UFO Working Group,
and then there's the Colons Elite and the Colons Elite.
It's interesting a lot of the things you hear in
the UFO Twitter community when we hear about UFOs being

(01:10:27):
discussed or uh you know on Facebook groups or you know,
Instagram chats or YouTube comments, there's a lot of their demons,
their their angels, you know, bells above blah blah blah blah,
and it's you know, kind of pointing us towards religion

(01:10:50):
most of the time when we're looking at a sorry
I I think the Colins Elite they actually classify, they
want to push that these are angels and demons? Am

(01:11:10):
I right about that? T O?

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
So do you think maybe the Colins Elite are like,
maybe the instigators of pushing that SiGe off on the
sorry cat? I'm talking to TEO. Give me a second, brother.
Uh so, why don't you unpack for us the Colons Elite,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Well, I can tell you a little bit. The cat
might know a little bit more than I do.

Speaker 15 (01:11:40):
But from what I understand, the Colins Elite was uh
started Yeah as the coldest.

Speaker 12 (01:11:46):
It was the Jack Parsons dudes, I believe. But I'm
just going off the top of my head.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
But the cat, you might know more.

Speaker 12 (01:11:54):
But yeah, but but I put up I put.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Up in the nests. I won't go into it. Put
wants to know.

Speaker 15 (01:12:00):
But my caution to Eric Davis is up there. But
I got him to basically say that, yes, m J
twel is still around, but they don't go by that name.
And he said that, yes, the Colin Elite is still around.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
So I got him to admit that that.

Speaker 12 (01:12:12):
I just thought that was kind of cool but.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Understanding of a Podiakis J twelve. And they just changed
the name every couple of years. I think there was
at one point one group was called I think it
was eight or something like that. They were.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Okay, okay, I ac yeah, go for it, cat speak,
speak your truth true.

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
So you're so you're speaking about stubble being the program
that was in nineteen eighty seven was the UFO Working
Group led by John Alexander and Ron Blackburn, who was
Ron Blackburn was former Lockey Martin or actually he might
not have been Locking Martin at the time and might
have eventually went on to be a Lockeed Martin engineer.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
That's a double check that.

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
So the Collins Elite, they were a cultists and their
actual name is Carlisle Group. They bought up a bunch
of companies in the nineteen eighties, including BDM International, E,
G and G and some of the other companies that

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were involved in in the UH the reverse engineering cover up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Okay, very interesting. I did not know that.

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
I did not know that.

Speaker 8 (01:13:40):
Yeah, it's the carlag Group.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
That's great. I'm gonna see what t O posted here.

Speaker 8 (01:13:47):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
See if I can actually play that clip for the group.
I was just logging into Twitter on another window, because
that seems to be how this uh it's somewhere are
on your page right too?

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
Yeah, the clip, the clip with Eric Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. Is it a while ago?

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
Yeah, it's probably buried.

Speaker 10 (01:14:14):
Yeah, yeah, a while ago.

Speaker 12 (01:14:15):
Just type a type in Collins Elite and it should
be the first thing that pops up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Where did you post it? You posted it under this
space or post.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
I posted up up on the nest if you look
up at the top, I posted it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
The first one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
If you see that, it's weird. I can't see it
in the actual comments for the space. Oh wait, I'm
it to me. I'll play that just so people can
hear that. Because that's pretty cool. Eric Davis does not.
I mean, he's a really hard guy to get to

(01:14:52):
speak about this stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:14:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I think he's fascinating because he's apparently been close or
to this the truth of this subject than many people. Right,
So good on you for actually speaking with him and
getting that kind of answer. All right, let's go back

(01:15:16):
to somebody else is trying to pop up here. We
got Neandrew Thal. How you doing. Welcome to the space.
Please ask a question if you like. I don't know
if you're a speaker or not, but uh, okay, maybe

(01:15:38):
he's not. Maybe he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
He's not.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
He's not a speaker right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I just saw him request and I just approved it.
But you know, should be uh should be called glitch
glitchy spaces instead of Twitter spaces. It's pretty bad, Kat,
What did you want to say next?

Speaker 8 (01:16:05):
Yeah, so I was gonna clarify. The Acronym Intelligence Advisory
Committee was the first MG twelve. Then it went to
p I forty or then forties committee, and fifty four
to twelve group is somewhere in there as well. And
that's where the whole MG twelve thing comes from. It's
from the actual acronym fifty four slash twelve group, which

(01:16:27):
fifty fourth slash twelve group was the I think that
was the room they met with fifty four and then
slash twelve was the twelve member committee if I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
So they've changed their name.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
They changed their name throughout history and the current name
is SRG and SA POC, which was written in the
Eric Davis notes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
By the way, Oh okay, we have another speaker. You're welcome, welcome, welcome,
Neandrew Knee, Andrew Thall. What's up.

Speaker 14 (01:17:08):
How's it going doing a little NJ twelve discussion?

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, yeah, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (01:17:15):
Yeah? I thought that was rad that Eric Davis let
that much stuff out about it, you know, like it
was a great question. I think it's interesting too, like
that the name supposedly changes every three years for something
like that, he said. And he also like because we
like I think somebody mentioned like Zodiac was another name

(01:17:35):
that it might possibly be, and that one's been going
around the community for the last couple of years pretty heavily,
I think. Also the Collins elite situation, it's mostly been
described as like some sort of group, like an organized group,
and I thought it was interesting that Davis pointed out
that he thinks that it's just disparate individuals like acting

(01:17:56):
on their own religious convictions.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Great, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
What do you think of the sort of religion religiosity
of the New Paradigm Research Institute.

Speaker 14 (01:18:17):
You're talking about kind of like the New Age type
vibe through the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that, yep.

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:18:27):
I Like I feel like when any human looks into
this UFO topic, they're automatically going to do it through
their own relent, their lens, you know what I mean?
And what Most people on the Earth are religious in
somewhere or another, and I feel like specifically the New
Age type, like Galactic Federation people tend to be people

(01:18:48):
that were like once religious in some denomination and kind
of found their way out of that or just like
real science people tend to go down that road too,
you know. And so I think that like we're always
going to see a religious tant one way or the
other in any sort of group or organization for UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Interesting, Yeah, definitely, I'm not religious and I will never
really go that way with it, but that's fine if
people want to put their own lens on on the phenomenon.
That's cool. I respect their choice to to go that way.
I see that you post the the Diane Posolka interview

(01:19:30):
where she basically says that she's like, they're angels and demons.
That's what I think they are. And Tyler he thinks
they're that too. So I think we got some hands here,
U t o. I think back to you and then
we'll go to kat.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
Okay, yeah, so I found my post.

Speaker 15 (01:19:52):
I won't read the full thing, but but basically, if
you all are familiar with Jack Parsons, he's what other
people have called the sex cult Antichrist. Basically what I
won't read the full quote, but basically from this book
I found. It's from chapter five. I'll post it up
there in the nest, but basically what it saysn't here

(01:20:12):
is they got G two, they got army intelligence, naval intelligence,
and it says, where's the part.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Since we were okay, if.

Speaker 15 (01:20:22):
We would look at running an op to continue where
the old Parsons project stopped. We were ready for it
because the interest that had come with watching Parsons.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
But a bit it maze.

Speaker 15 (01:20:30):
The Pentagon was ready to fund what it was really
a study of discs and double beginnings. So basically, and
then later says, the US dollars are being used to
pay for a study of demonology and flying saucers, So
what does that mean? Basically, that long quote that I
posted at the top consally is basically a Jack Parsons
two point zero group.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
So that's how I read it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:50):
But it's uh, yeah, I don't really know what it's today,
but that's the beginnings where it started.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Interesting. Let's go to Carlos then Cat just because Carlos,
he popped up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
And I'm gonna ask, what is that photo of that?
That thing behind the tree up here? Let me see that.

Speaker 15 (01:21:13):
I have no idea that I was just looking up
pictures of Jack Parsons and that was one that just
had Jack Parsons and alis.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Er Crowley on the side.

Speaker 12 (01:21:21):
Yeah, I have no idea that that could be just
a house that they were at or something in California.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Cool Carlos.

Speaker 16 (01:21:31):
Shoot, thanks Darcy. This is a question for Osvaldo. Where
do you see the topic towards the end of this administration?
Considering that you know a lot of people in the
community believe that this administration was going to be very
friendly towards disclosure, and it looked like two or three

(01:21:54):
weeks into this administration, it's anything, but it looks like
it's gonna be even worse.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Not at all. No, it's looking better and better. Uh nobody,
you know, you know, you don't appoint so many allowed
pro disclosure people into your government leadership positions if you
don't have intense, clear intentions to do this. And it's

(01:22:23):
the thing with uh with uh Trump which comes people
is that uh they try to uh bring about disclosure.
But according to uh Dni Radcliffe, they ran at the
time before they could do it. And now Radcliffe is
back in power, and all these other people that are

(01:22:46):
pro disclosure, uh and these huge extraordinary key positions like
it's anything, it's looking better for us. It's almost an
embarrassment of riches. I would say that this next announcement
that's coming from that Luna was talking about what it

(01:23:10):
looks like it could be. It's like it looks like well,
a while back, Cash, the guy that they were running
for the run FBI, was talking about starting some type
of department for the classifying of data, like massive the
classification of data, because we have too much stuff that's

(01:23:31):
classified I'm thinking that that is going to be. What
the big announcement will be next week, is that that
is going to happen, that that organization will exist. Now,
when that happens, that could very well be the birth
canal for the closure. We'll have to see. We're gonna

(01:23:51):
have to try our best. I've got some fans with
some things I'm going to try to do as well.
I think we can assist with that. We have to
take it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:02):
We have to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
This is a unique historic opportunity. We have to take
every UH. We have to do our best emotions that
we get this done, UH invested. And I think that
this is right now the best option we've had historically
for government reform. I think that it doesn't work with this, UH,
we will we will be stuff having to do this
ourselves from the outside in, and probably we're going to

(01:24:26):
have a combination of the two. It's going to be
a combination of things coming out from the government and
also UH bring views that are proptimate by civilians.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Very interesting. Okay, so you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Oh, no, there's a lot that's coming. There's there's there's
a lot. Listen, there's a lot of players, a lot
of people doing a lot of interesting stuff and behind
the scenes for years in some cases that are slowly
getting ready to do some very interesting stuff. Uh, I'm
super I'm confident of glarity one. I'm actually take you know,

(01:25:09):
I don't know exactly how it's gonna break, but I'm
pretty sure at some point we will achieve disposure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
That's great, I love it. The cat. Did you have
a question, and we'll go back to I think Carlos
and TiO you guys also have No.

Speaker 8 (01:25:27):
I didn't have a question. I just wanted to point
out the last study that John Mack and David Jacobs
did in nineteen eighty two. They compared the abduction experience
to the experience of Satanic ritual abuse. Just throwing that
out there. That was a real study that took place
with a physicists or not physicist, sorry, therapists and doctors

(01:25:50):
that have seen these abductee victims.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Wow, that's that's sketchy and scary.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Carlos, do you have something?

Speaker 9 (01:26:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
No, I didn't have my hand up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Sorry, it's just all glitchy on my side too. Were
you trying to say something?

Speaker 9 (01:26:10):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Revolution, what do we got here? Revolution?

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
One can you hear me, Okay, nothing much is up.
I just had a question for you, guys, and it
kind of ties into what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
I wasn't going to speak, but.

Speaker 13 (01:26:29):
The whole transhumanist thing and the idea that Observer, I believe,
was pointing out. If I've got the right fella, I
really liked what he was saying. The idea of transhumanism
being you know, these aliens are us in the future
with this technology that can be perceived as godlike one
of the things that can help lead the way for

(01:26:49):
any researchers. It's really heavily suppressed. And something your financial
advisor won't tell you, guys, is that in twenty thirty,
according to Oxford Economics, the metaverse, which isn't a digital playground,
it actually encompasses mets and materials, meta surfaces, nanotech, even

(01:27:12):
it's a whole broad range of materials that can provide
anti gravity, cloaking, all of the things that we see
that are kind of characterized by UFOs. But as far
as the transhumanist thing goes, you can inject a creature
with soft graphene, liquid crystal matter, an pastor the blood Bringer,
and when it hits like this part of your brain

(01:27:35):
that you know, transmits information, the glia super highway. It's
like your neural pathways. It increases your ability to do
all kinds of things. To let the all these amazing
powers that we think that aliens and you know, maybe
transhumanists will have as we approach this singularity are things

(01:27:55):
that have probably happened. Maybe I'm hypothesizing too other civilizations,
but get this. In twenty thirty, according to Oxford Economics,
in over one hundred and seventy researchers and the International
Milnetary Fund, World Bank all pointing to this metaverse, this
technology being worth one hundred and thirty trillion dollars in

(01:28:19):
the broader range, it's going to make up twenty to
twenty five percent of our global economy. So they see,
like this technology, it's not just the metaverse, it's what
all this can do together. It all connects seamlessly together, right,
But it's this idea that in the future we can
evolve to this thing that approaches the singularity. That is

(01:28:41):
this like you know, evolution of every species. I guess
you know, I couldn't agree more that ancient beings. You
are sorry, manician, say I guess they would be ancient beings.
But you know the ancients would see these beings that
are thousands of years old, if not millions of years old.
They've they've learned to to defeat death. They've learned, you know,

(01:29:05):
to do things that we would see as godlike right.
And all of these powers and abilities to me, if
you study meta materials and liquid crystal soft matter in particular,
that's the direction everything's heading.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
And it's just in its infancy. That's the crazy part.

Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
With the advent of AI added to it, it's mind
blowing what they're going to be able to do. This
year alone, eight hundred billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Has been earned.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
It's insane. Yeah, it's the way of the future. Man,
we should be uh calling up Mark Zuckerberg and getting
some shares of the metaverse.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Eh. Well yeah, but there's guess what.

Speaker 13 (01:29:47):
Okay, there's a company that that they just got in trouble,
but the US saidate didn't do anything about it. They
were caught. They replaced entire board. You guys have heard
of naked short selling where they try to hide how
much money they're really making. They've got a hot product,
its selling like crazy, let's hide hide this so the
investors don't see. We'll keep some of the money for ourselves.

(01:30:08):
This has happened with one meta materials company, and I'm
trying to remember the name of it's killing me. But
if you type it in online, I believe it's MMAT
if I've got it correct. But it produces these nanoscale
opto electronic things that manipulate waves and light and new
unique ways, and guys, the whole thing of controlling light,

(01:30:32):
controlling waves, electromagnetivity a phrase gamma rays, infrared rays that
are going to be used in light our. For instance,
those light our pups that are about eight inches in diameter.
I think there are four to five inches thick, and
they guide driverless cars in the smart cities. All of
these meta material technologies like exist and they're seriously just

(01:30:55):
in their infancy. You're the partner's weird. You're finding advisors
and telling you this right makes you wonder who's profiting
right now? And it makes you wonder because actually, I'm
sorry if I talk.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
So much, but this is kind of my point.

Speaker 9 (01:31:09):
My point.

Speaker 13 (01:31:10):
My point is it's like it's like this, guys, who's
hiding the truth? Probably the people making the profit probably
the teams of people that are employed to hide what
you're saying, hide what I'm saying, bury your posts. Meta
materials and meta services and all this stuff. It's like
seriously buried it, right. If they're going to bring this
out to the public, they're going to have to do

(01:31:31):
it soon. Twenty thirty is like around the corner, right, Yeah. Yeah,
and that's that's the thing. I'm going to like drop
my bomb there because you know, to me, that's the
reason why they're doing this. This is why they're attacking
us as well as other things.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Yeah, many just mute yourself for a second, brother, I
will sorry, Yeah, yeah, so I will say that. You know,
the first time I heard about meta materials, it was,
you know, out of the Right Patterson Air Force Space.
They have a meta materials command there and they were

(01:32:05):
working on materials that would help the stealth bombers stay
hidden in the sky and stuff like that. Meta materials
have been around for a long time. It's you know,
how you keep that competitive edge with technology against your adversary,
and so meta materials being released into the public now, yeah,

(01:32:29):
it just shows that we're we're approaching that singularity more
and more because technologies that would have been forbidden from
the public are now like permeating out into everyday life.
And hey, look, I like the film and the idea

(01:32:51):
of the book, the science fiction book Surrogates. Bruce Willis
starred in that sci fi film, the whole idea, and
that is like every day you wake up and you
step into like this booth or you lie down in
this booth, and you're essentially connecting up to a surrogate

(01:33:12):
or android body that you run around the planet and
do your daily life in. You don't actually need to
leave your apartment, you don't need to leave your house,
you're you know, wherever you're at. You can just step
into this virtual life and have like a physical android

(01:33:33):
body running around and you know, you can have sex
in it. You can go to clubs and release serotonin
and you know, oxytosis into your bloodstream through doing certain
things that your surrogate body will get stimulated by and

(01:33:54):
then your brain will release those you know, hormonees and such.
So I think it's like that kind of future could
be upon us when a nuclear war happens and we
can't go outside anymore and we're stuck inside because it's like,
you know, survival. So everybody just gets used to being

(01:34:17):
inside and the only way you get outside is if
you have like this virtual life that you live in,
a body that can you know, that doesn't die, that
just withstands all of the maybe harshness of the yeah,
who's this any you're up? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Nate?

Speaker 17 (01:34:39):
My name used to be Nate, but I had to
reduce it down because of the UK. Okay, we say
anything we say in the UK can be used against system.
We get thrown in jail round them of that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
My name is Nate.

Speaker 17 (01:34:53):
Loved to meet you. Thank you for allowing me into
your space. I search UFO into in the space and
this is what came up. I can share videos from
what's just happened, which is mind boggling. I don't know
anything about it. And it looks like a mirror that

(01:35:14):
is being like like like almost like led in the background,
like it's light like from the side behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
I like to share it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
I don't know what's going on, and this is the
first space I'm able to.

Speaker 14 (01:35:27):
Share it with.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Sure, do you want to post it on your your
your page there?

Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
Yeah, I can do.

Speaker 17 (01:35:37):
I can, Yeah, I would I would not like to
because I have my friends on work and stuff would
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
Is there any chance I can just share it in
this space here, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Not You can d M it to me and I
can play it that way.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
Yeah, I can do that to you. Let me send you.

Speaker 17 (01:35:56):
I've got three videos, all right, I probably first. It's
absolutely mind boggling, is ridiculous. I've never been I'm not
a UFO s myself. I literally just came in, says UFO.

Speaker 6 (01:36:13):
So I've got to share this. It's I don't know
what it is, so i'd like to share it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I just followed you, okay, Yeah, go ahead, DM it
to me.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
Yeah, I think you have following me back. Actually I
do want to share with you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, all right, let's see what your your handle is here.
It's n d y l f C.

Speaker 6 (01:36:40):
Yeah that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Why it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
All right, so I'm following you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Go ahead, okay, so let.

Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
Me share that with you, okay, gotcha. The first one.

Speaker 17 (01:37:13):
I thought it was the first one I thought was
the moon. That's when I started recording, thought why is
there two moons? And I started looking and then I thought, oh,
that's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I'm not seeing any message here, bud.

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
Yeah, they're coming through. They're coming through, don't you hear
about that? The videos?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
So okay, I got one here all right. It looks
like your living room.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Yeah, and you got a baby.

Speaker 6 (01:37:45):
I do have a baby, yes, And.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
You're zooming in on the window, yeah apartment.

Speaker 14 (01:37:58):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
You got all the three.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Videos now, and I think that's the moon just outside
the window, or even a reflection of a light inside
your apartment on the roof.

Speaker 17 (01:38:08):
I agree, I agree, I agree. It looks like it
is as you move forward and then and then I
go outside in a minute, you watch it. I'm like, well,
this is strange. And I go outside and you start
and it starts to move, and then it goes from
a circle to like a triangle with a spherical right angle.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
And this is this is a light in a space
where there is no light.

Speaker 17 (01:38:38):
This is a fully illuminated object, which isn't not which
is where we live there that's not illuminated.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Okay, And so are you going to send me the
video where you said I've sent them. I don't see
the the one that does what you're describing.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
I just see what one of them is one of
them and a half minutes long, so you just have
to wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Why don't we play t O Red's clip here he
was talking to Eric Davis.

Speaker 8 (01:39:16):
Let me know if you could hear this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
The question is.

Speaker 18 (01:39:24):
To justick twelve or twelve is reel? Note that that's
claim attributed to Alizondo. We're not necessarily endorsing that is
m J twelve still working today. And I could add
to that, you know, is it might maybe is there
something like that working group, that committee or group in existence,

(01:39:44):
but it could have a different name.

Speaker 10 (01:39:47):
Yeah, that's right, m J twelve. Some version of it
exists today, but it's not by that name. Code names
changed roughly every three years in the in the defense
and intelligence operations, so that code name has gone away
decades ago. Uh, so there's some there's some modern incarnation
of it operating. They don't, Uh, that's not there. Their

(01:40:09):
work has nothing to do with the Collins lead or disclosure.
That's not what they do. Their Their job is handling
crash rentals for verse engineering studies of UH and and
HI or alien technologies that have been recovered. So I'm
not aware that there's any linkage there with the Collins lead.
I think more than anything, the Colins elite, which like

(01:40:30):
I said, is not an organized group, but just one
individual here, maybe a couple of individuals here. And these
guys are high ranking individuals. They can either be generals,
colonels or senior Executive Service one two or three folks,
or senior Intelligence Service one two or three folks. I
don't know if they go as high as four uh uh,
if they if there's any of them at that level,
and they don't, they don't work across purposes and they

(01:40:51):
don't coordinate with m G twelve because that's the compartmentalized program,
and so that compartmentalized program is technically oriented and the
disclosed closure issue is not part of what that program
is concerned about. That's a whole separate issue. And the
government doesn't have a disclosure program anyway. And the Collins
eleade type folks, uh, they're just they're just they just

(01:41:12):
get in the middle. If they if they get read
into something and they get in the middle of it,
they'll either walk away from it, leave it alone, or
they'll try to do whatever they can to kind of
trip it up a few a few times or a
few ways and cause a little bit of trouble, but
if it caused too much trouble inside of the Classify program.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
You usually get kicked out by security very rapidly.

Speaker 18 (01:41:32):
Okay, thanks Eric, that's that was a great question to you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Holy crap. And he just totally elaborated on that. That's amazing.
So where did what were the other questions? I haven't
seen that whole interview? That was a Saul interview. That's great.
Did you hear that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Tell me if you heard that.

Speaker 14 (01:41:55):
Yeah, I was just going to let you know that too.
He another clip where he talked about the Columns Elite
specifically as well, and I just dm that to you.
It's a really good answer to a question as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Oh great, I'm gonna play that one sec. Oh, it's
like a thread you sent me.

Speaker 14 (01:42:23):
Now, it should just be my post with a clip.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Okay, all right, it's an hour and twenty six minute
YouTube video. Are you sure that's right?

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
The one? Hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
That's all good. That's all good. I have the Oh wait,
the Collins Elite Is this the same one?

Speaker 10 (01:42:51):
It's the Colins Elite. Well, Nick Redfern talked about that
in this book and that's a real issue. And it
is not an organized group of religious fanatics that I'll
call them. In other words, people who are have strawt
sincere beliefs in their religious upbringing and UH theocracy, ideology
and so forth. It's it's it's that you have just

(01:43:15):
individuals scattered throughout the government and intelligence and in the
Defense Department and those into and maybe even in other
departments of the of the United States government, and these
random individuals have such strong beliefs from their religious upbringing
and indoctrination that they that they were trained to understand

(01:43:36):
and believe that UFOs are demonic and satanic and and
recovery uh ufo or U a p craft UH is unpatriotic.
No patriotic Americans should study and learn about demonic technology
because we're in a war against Satan, and you know,
we're gonna be going battling the apocalypse soon. And this

(01:43:58):
is their thinking, this is their way of upbringing. These
are these are four star three star generals or admirals
who grew up in Kansas or Nebraska or parts of
Texas and so forth, and they have a very right
wing religious upbringing that's starting extreme compared to the mainstream
religious denominations that that were founded in the United States

(01:44:20):
after after the founding of the country's thirteen colonies and
the nation itself later on. So these are really the
really extreme fundamental evangelical folks, and there aren't that many
of them. They're not, they're not. There might be one
or two of them group together as a couple, or
or what maybe even three of them half coffee or
tea together, maybe lunch once a month or whatever. But

(01:44:43):
there's no concerted, organized group doing anything. And their purpose
is to steiny or interfere with any any project or
program operations that are that are related to UAP craft retrievals,
the study of NHS and is that right? Non human intelligence.

(01:45:05):
They call him ichacom alien bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Wow, that was great. Yeah, thanks for sharing that, Andrew.
That was awesome. I had no idea. That's pretty much
what the colins alit are. Apparently, according to Eric Davis,
who was just speaking, I'm missing a lot of stuff
because I am like literally working on a bunch of

(01:45:31):
stories and traveling, shooting these things, editing all this, you know,
and then once a week I'm doing these shows and
I got to get caught up on a bunch of
these things that are being said publicly. I wonder is
Science Bob part of the Collins elite. He's a religious guy,
isn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
He's a good guy. He makes some pretty cool YouTube videos. Well,
does anybody want to comment on the Collins elite further?
I'm seeing some hands.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
Back to what I said earlier that it involved the
car Log Group as.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Well, Carlisle Group. So is that like a rich company
that was founded by a bunch of these super religious folks.

Speaker 8 (01:46:25):
It's it's it was a bunch of investors, and yes,
they were a colda's At the same time, they were
buying up like all these different companies that were around
the quote unquote UFO problem. So they bought up again.

(01:46:46):
They brought up E. G and G in the late eighties,
They bought up BDM International in the late eighties. And
I think there's so many more companies that they brought up.
They brought up a whole bunch of a bunch of
companies besides B d M and E G and G.
But I don't remember all of them off the top
of my head, and I don't want to say, uh

(01:47:09):
false information. So those two are the examples that I
can remember clearly. But yeah, they're They're a bunch of them,
like rich Investors. And Carlog Group is connected also to
Bus Senior and Bush. They were members of the Carlog
Group and advisors to the car Carlog Group with along

(01:47:34):
with Rumsfeld and some others.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Wow, okay, Donald Rumsfeld, I didn't Yes, interesting, that's uh
our boy connected to nine to eleven.

Speaker 8 (01:47:53):
Yep, Carlo Group is connected to nine to eleven as well.
Do uh not site? What was the other company? I
can't remember. I'd have to, I'd have to go through
my notes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
So I think signs Bob asked to come up. Maybe
he's not part of the the infamous Majestic twelve. Maybe
he's not, I don't know. Maybe he wants to come up.
Maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:48:23):
I don't know, but I think that's doubtful.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I know, just being sarcastic. Oh he's coming, He's coming.

Speaker 6 (01:48:31):
Here Realkeuick Darcy. Yeah, well this is just like a
sentence or two. But I threw it up in the nest.

Speaker 15 (01:48:38):
But in the Carlist group, Thomas Carlyle, like nineteen seventy four,
he hired Epstein, so yeah, just a little fun fact.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Yeah, we'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Yet, sketchy yike, Science Bob, Welcome to the space. Welcome
to the kg RRA Radio Show. How are you about?

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
Hey, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Either Collins Elite or Majestic twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
You'd have to be pretty old to be part of
Majestic twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Eh oh yeah, well I'm seventy one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
You're getting up there. You're a young lad at heart.

Speaker 8 (01:49:14):
Though, what's are you s RG or SATPAK though? That's
the that's the question.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Well, that's a that's a good question.

Speaker 6 (01:49:24):
So I've been on a toss SAPs, but I'm not satpak.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:49:31):
I worked thirty I.

Speaker 9 (01:49:32):
Worked thirty years for the intelligence community before spending.

Speaker 8 (01:49:36):
My last.

Speaker 9 (01:49:39):
Eleven years working on the faculty at Virginia Tech. The
entire time of those forty years, forty years, I had
top secret SCI. I worked at a bunch of SAPs,
usafs and woosaps, but I was never part of satpach.

Speaker 8 (01:49:55):
What do you think what about SORG?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Nope, Science Bob, what do you think of like religion
kind of permeating, uh, the UFO community and and a
lot of like you know, Diana Posulka's talking about angels
and demons and Tyler's experience being the same in her

(01:50:23):
recent testimony on things like Sean Ryan. Then you got
you know, your your friend uh Ufo of God. What's
his name? Chris Bledsoe, who's talking about the lady that apparition?
Now was that a that that apparition or that lady

(01:50:45):
that was more of like a Egyptian god as far
as I.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Know, So go listen to enchanting the phenomenon?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
What what?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:50:59):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:50:59):
James with I Dole interviewed Jim Simivan and in the
interview with Simmy Van, Simmy Van gave a you could
tell Simmy Van has studied this and is aware of it.
He gave a detailed introduction to the lady and why

(01:51:20):
there are so many people in government interested in her.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
So I've had multiple experiences with Chris standing right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Next to it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
The things he sees I've seen with my own two eyes,
except I have never seen the lady.

Speaker 9 (01:51:37):
As far as my personal beliefs, my father was a
Methodist minister and I was raised a Christian and have
been won my entire life. So I do not know
anything about Chris is lady. I know Chris, firstly, he

(01:52:04):
and I are very good friends, and he believes absolutely
what he says.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Okay, And so is it like the spirit of Fatima?

Speaker 9 (01:52:16):
Is it? Is it? Like you know, it's like, okay,
let's call it the divine feminine Hath or Fatima Mary,
all of this kind of things. It's kind of all
wrapped together, but a lot. But if you go listen
to Semivan, he will tell you that almost none of

(01:52:37):
the people who have included Chris, who have seen the
lady call the lady Mary has nothing to do with
the Mother of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Oh, Okay, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:52:54):
Said that in the interview with Sean it does not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
It's not her, not her.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
He calls her the lady. Jim Semiband calls her the lady.

Speaker 9 (01:53:02):
A lot of people that have seen this call of
the lady, the children at Fatima called or the lady.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
They did not call her the mother Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Okay. So it is like some kind of spirit that
these people.

Speaker 9 (01:53:15):
There's absolutely no doubt in my mind it's a non
human intelligence. And at Wilmington, at the Fear River Festival,
which I attended and went out to the Atlantic Seashore
with Chris, several hundred people saw several hundred orbs flew over.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Okay, orbs. So you've seen those two, but you haven't
seen the lady, which is like this.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
I've seen the look.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
I have not seen the lady, and none of his
orbs have talked to me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Okay. So are you convinced it is a spirit thing
that we're seeing or a mechanical like nonhuman intelligence phenomenon.
Are you convinced it's more like this religious sort of
phenomenon that's happening, or are you thinking it's like something

(01:54:14):
that has some kind of scientific backing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
I'm in between.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
Here's what I know here, you look, Perception.

Speaker 9 (01:54:26):
Is heavily influenced by the influences you've had on and
the way you are trained to perceive life and everything
around you. Chris has been an extremely conservative Christian since
birth and when he was Baptist, but it was a

(01:54:47):
conservative Baptist.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Then he met Yvonne.

Speaker 8 (01:54:51):
And they got married and.

Speaker 9 (01:54:54):
She said, I will not marry you unless you join
the Pentecostal church. And the Pentecostal churches handles snakes and
walks on pews.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
And he was a deacon in the Pentecostal Church.

Speaker 9 (01:55:08):
He is extremely conservative religious and he believes in all
of it. So the distance between him and all of
that happened after the Fear River encounter in two thousand
and seven, So there's some distance between him and all
of that now because they persecuted him about the experience.

(01:55:34):
They met him outside his door of his home every
day through holy water on him, told him he was
going to hell, and he was possessed by demons. So
I do not believe Chris has been to a church
to attend since two thousand and eight or nine.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Wow, Okay, but he still thinks that it's something to
do with religion, the phenomenon, or because I saw he
had a prediction for twenty twenty six that Jesus is
coming back.

Speaker 9 (01:56:04):
Yeah no, no, no, no, you and others have misinterpreted
or you're copying somebody else who misinterpreted what he said.
And Sean Ryan, he said that there is a massive
awakening happening on Easter starting Easter twenty twenty six, that
that's the meaning of the ancient word apocalypse is revealing

(01:56:27):
of something. He also said he thought it might be
the receptord return of Jesus coming after that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Okay, Hey, I got I gotta cut you off real quick.
Sorry where you're actually saying. Bite Everybody On KGRA Radio,
it's a two hour show now tonight and every Wednesday
it will be two hours now, Bob, thank you for
popping up folks on KGRA. Please follow me at O

(01:56:56):
Colde Journeys on Twitter, on Facebook just Darcywar and Instagram
at Darcywar Films. Feel free to check out my studio
page it's ocoul journeys dot com for some of my
films and previous research, and try to jump into Twitter
space in the future so that you too can become

(01:57:19):
part of the conversation. That's what this whole thing's about, right.
Twitter spaces are pretty cool. It's like a online town
hall meeting and you get to hear everybody's perspective on everything. Hey,
thanks for tuning in. I'm gonna shut down the live
stream and we'll keep the conversation going for a bit.

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